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PMC Wagner and St. Petersburg Fountain

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It is interesting to observe a change in the direction of the struggle with the Russian army in the press. Both foreign and Russian. It is necessary to recognize that the methods of such a struggle have become more sophisticated. Now, no one seriously takes obvious "throw-ins", like "Russians fled from ..., throwing the wounded, weapon and equipment ". Any information is easily verified, and the author of such" stuffing "will not have faith.


Yes, and the Russian army gives little reason to criticize it. Georgia, Crimea, Syria ... Tasks are solved. And they are solved in a situation where the armies of other countries would be much more difficult. Any "puncture" causes a flurry of articles about the weakness and inability of the Russian army to protect us. Whether it was a downed plane or a plane lost on Admiral Kuznetsov. There can be no casualties in our war. That is probably the main motive of such attacks.

It is clear that the enemy, and I consider those who periodically “foul” on our army as opponents, enemies, if you like, are looking for ways to defame our army in the eyes of those who see precisely the strength of the RF Armed Forces. The armies of Europe and the United States badly screwed up in Syria. It turned out that, despite the criticism of the actions of the Russian Aerospace Forces, it is Russia that really wins. The rest just kill. They kill, not really thinking whom. A large-caliber artillery projectile in urban areas or a bomb is also selectively killed there. Peace is not touched, but the nearby militants (only if they are not "moderate") "mow" thousands.

Today, many publications have articles "from reliable sources from everywhere," in which the idea is actively promoted that Russia is not obliged to success in Syria and other places not to its army, but ... to private military companies! Not trained and constantly trained soldiers and officers of the Defense Ministry and other law enforcement agencies perform the most difficult tasks, but employees of private military companies. Former special forces soldiers and retired officers.

The funny thing is that even among our readers there are those who believe in this nonsense. Turn on the brain in order to understand that a retiree in 50 and older (and many in this category themselves today) can never more effectively “work” than a 30-40 old man. Even having excellent preparation in the past.

The first "attempt at writing" in this direction was made in 2014. It was then that in the press there were reports from "unnamed, but reliable sources" in the Donbass about the participation of PMCs on the Republican side in the conflict. It was then that the “journalists” threw this material in to see the reaction of the authorities of Russia, Donetsk, Lugansk and Kiev.

It was then that readers learned about the "Slavic Corps" and the "Wagner Group". The “smog” in the materials was such that only a truly prepared reader could understand where the truth was and where it was a lie. Therefore, the reaction was from the official and unofficial persons calm. Bullshit. What to comment on? There is a law, there is a constitution. Read, and everything will fall into place.

In order to understand this reaction, it is necessary to return to the sources of the appearance of these materials. In Russia, the dissemination of this topic is mainly the merit of the publication from the city, the "cradle of three revolutions" and the "Chizhik-Pyzhikovsky" title. Based materials on the study of the experience of warfare by foreign armies. This “Western cliché” was tried to “put on” the Russian army.

Western armies, in particular, the Americans, really widely use PMCs in other countries. It is caused by the fact that the great losses of the army in the conduct of hostilities can cause public protest and force the operation to stop even before its end. Such cases have been. In 1993, in Mogadishu (Somalia), Americans lost 18 people killed and about 80 injured. The operation was stopped and the troops were withdrawn. A loss of PMCs do not affect the image of the army. Nothing personal, just business.

Today, those who are "instructors" in Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, most often the employees are PMCs. Former military personnel, but now private individuals.

Those materials were held without much excitement. Moreover, the journalists were "shamefully silent" about the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation and the Constitution of Russia. Meanwhile, the participation of a citizen in armed conflicts on the territory of other countries provides for 7 full years in some Mordovian colony (article 359). And for recruiting, training and financing mercenaries - 15 years.

Very often, supporters of the idea of ​​private military companies refer to the Montreux Document. It is in this agreement that 17 countries (Russia has not signed, if someone does not know) allow their citizens to provide services for armed security of facilities, maintenance of combat complexes, training of specialists, and so on. In Russia, by the way, there is a fairly strong lobby, which is in favor of adopting the PMC law and the Montreux Document.

In March last year, deputies Gennady Nosovko and Oleg Mikheyev (“Fair Russia”) introduced a draft law on the legalization of PMCs. However, we received a clear response from the government of the Russian Federation that the project contradicts the Constitution of the Russian Federation (Art. 13, part 5). Similarly, those who directly would have to deal with PMCs responded. The Ministry of Defense, the Federal Security Service and the Prosecutor General. Even the profile committee of the State Duma gave a negative review. The bill safely six months later was withdrawn.

From all of the above, you can make a simple conclusion. There are no real, legal PMCs in Russia. Those that are on the market under Russian names are nothing more than companies established somewhere offshore. Companies do the same work as others, but they are not connected with Russia. Accordingly, the Russians who work in such companies work abroad, risking getting into 359 article in Russia. As it happened with some "workers" of the "Slavic Corps" from Hong Kong. In January 2015, the leaders of the Slavic Corps, Yevgeny Sidorov and Vadim Gusev, for participating in the battles in the area of ​​As-Sukhna (Homs province), received a year of imprisonment for 3.

Now about the main thing. About who today, according to some media, the “culprit” of the victories of the Russian army in Syria? It turns out the "Wagner group". It is about this company that you can read everything in the same "chizhik-pyzhikov.ru" edition, in the Baltic editions, in the Polish ... There is no sense to list the "friends". Readers are literate people. Themselves will find and draw conclusions.

For the first time, journalists from the “cradle of revolutions” in October 2015 gushed about this group. Then the country "boiled over" from the events in the Crimea and the Donbas.

Readers will remember the role of "polite people" in these events. And now, just to test the possibility of your brain creating "ducks", try to connect the Crimea, "polite people" and PMCs ...

It turned out nonsense? But it was precisely this nonsense that journalists from the city on the Neva gave out for verified information. Wagner's group, more precisely, a detachment of former employees of the "Slavic Corps", was seen in the "polite people"! In February-March, the "Wagner Group" allegedly actively participated in the events in the Crimea as part of the Armed Forces of Russia.

About a year later, a new message followed. Now the "Wagner group" is fighting in the Donbas. And as an independent detachment! I know that such units really were. More precisely, the group. Squad call these units would be a stretch. And they performed the tasks primarily intelligence. But they acted in 2014. When the Republican army received a normal army structure, the units merged into units or disbanded.

Who is this terrible omnipresent Wagner? From open sources it is known that this is Lieutenant Colonel Dmitry Utkin. He served in the GRU special forces brigade in Pskov. In 2013, he signed a contract with the Slavic Corps and left for the Middle East. It was there that he became the commander of a detachment of fighters from the company of Anton Andreev "Slavonik Corps Limited" (the official name of the "Slavic Corps").

Further more. The Wagner Group was just a treasure for various kinds of stuffing. The beginning was laid by the fairly well-known and authoritative edition of the WSJ (The Wall Street Journal) at the end of 2015. Then the journalists of this publication told about the death of a man from the "Wagner Group" in 9 in Syria. So what is next...

Today one can read quite serious articles about the "Wagner Group" as a strictly secret division of the GRU. The "irrefutable facts" of the subordination of this PMC to the Russian MO are given. This is the base in Molkino, where soldiers are trained before being sent to Syria. This and transportation of fighters on the Russian military planes. This is the supply of the "group" through the Defense Ministry of the Russian Federation with weapons and armored vehicles.

Readers (as people connected with military topics) can independently add to the list of "military secrets of the most secret military unit" of the Russian army. You can write anything. Especially since the "excuses" have already been created before you. To refer to any of the "Wagner group" can not: there "there are very strict rules" about secrecy. And the violation of these rules threatens a person with "very serious consequences." A sort of symbiosis of the military unit and a gang of criminals who are "tied with blood" and "respond with life."

Likewise, you can talk about the "combat operations" of PMCs, referring to employees of the Defense Ministry, the FSB, the GRU, the sanitary and epidemiological station, or the environmental protection agency who wanted to remain unidentified. But the question arises: is there really a PMC or any security structures in the same Syria? Still, "smoke without fire" ...

The answer is simple. Yes, such structures really exist. And they are really guarding. Therefore, the personnel of those whom we know reliably, most often the former members of the security forces of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and other security specialists. In February, 2016, Sergei Chupov died in Syria. Former officer of the internal troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia, who at the beginning of 2000-s retired and began working in PMCs. Chupov went through two Chechen wars. According to some reports, he was part of the "Wagner Group."

Private companies that have their business in "hot spots" often use such PMCs to protect their business. Agree, any oil or gas pipeline - the object is quite vulnerable and expensive to neglect the security service. Losses may be such that you can generally lose the entire business. And to guard such objects with "watchmen" without serious small arms is stupid.

Attract army units as private companies can not. CSKA do not have such powers and perform completely different tasks. By the way, such protection is carried out by all companies that operate in difficult conditions. Companies from any country. Likewise, it was the officers of the private security committees who carried out the guarding of ships in the Gulf of Aden.

And the last aspect that I want to mention. He has nothing to do with our internal affairs. It is rather external. At the beginning of the article I wrote that our "friends" from the Baltic States and Poland write a lot about Russian PMCs. What caused such an interest in Russian PMCs in these countries? It seems that NATO has already sent a soldier there. And armored vehicles.

The fact is that the armies of these countries represent a pitiful similarity to the modern army. Any politician and military man understands perfectly well that such armies are needed only for parades. In real life, these warriors will not be able to do anything. Yes, and do not want. And "Leopards" and "Abrams" in the Baltic swamps are no more than a target. And to create the illusion of at least a ghostly opportunity to confront the Russian army is necessary.

It was here that it took a lot of stuffing about PMCs. The thought is simple. The Russian army is not stronger than ours. She's just bigger. But well-trained PMCs are really power. And such, against which the army is powerless. The Estonian hunter will be able to calmly restrain the advance of the whole unit. Moreover, it will act in native places. In the same way, trained guards will be able to wage a long-term war with an enemy army in the nearby forest.

The algorithm is as simple as a Makarov pistol. Here only with an evidence base complete sadness. And in fact, it turns out that the PMC Wagner won everything. And the Crimea, and in the Donbas hung, and now in Syria. What is the size of the company? "Academy" / "Blackwaters" nervously smoking on the sidelines.

And then, why only Wagner? No one else? Or is it all “even more secret” than Wagner?

Funny and disgusting. In proportion 50 / 50.

It's funny, because it's fun to watch as a bunch of keyboard makers every year wraps around Wagner more and more outright nonsense and nonsense. And the limit is not yet visible, to be honest. Having pressed off the Crimea, having broken VSU, having won terrorists in Syria, further how? Further, probably, Wagner will plan and carry out the seizure of the world.

Stop. Putin is taking over the world. According to those very gushing hypotheses of publications. Putin's right hand - Shoigu, apparently, Wagner was prepared for the role of his left hand.

One gets the feeling that Wagner PMCs are a sort of army. In the darkness. It’s just not visible. But this is another army with tanks, Self-propelled guns, and other things about which the "source" gushed. Well, the number, respectively. Here we are not even talking about thousands ... Dozens sit in darkness.

But that's not the point. The bottom line is how brains are treated today. And where does it all come from? We conducted our small investigation and, with considerable surprise, stated the fact that absolutely all the shouts about the “huge shadow army” of Wagner come from one place.

We have in St. Petersburg such a phenomenon as "Fontanka.ru". From there, and gushing. From 2015 year. Someone decided to “straddle” the theme of PMCs and with enviable regularity throws fountains away.

Everything would be okay, but as soon as the next fountain appears, our Baltic neighbors are immediately beginning to fan it. And then the Poles ... and off you go. Materials are cited, analyzed, inflated. And we have including.

And now a fair share of the audience begins to believe that the "shadow army" really exists. So frank conjectures and invented "eyewitnesses" and drop grains of doubt into the heads of the readers.

Here it is and disgusting.
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  1. ImPerts
    ImPerts 9 January 2017 06: 26
    +4
    Too lazy to look, but stories about the opera group have been going on for a long time. And they are constantly being transformed. It got to the point that PMCs were called the Wagner group, allegedly because of the leader’s addiction to classical music and specifically to Richard Wagner. They remembered Coppola and his famous film with an equally famous scene.
    P. S. Prior to this, the group acted under a different name.
    1. Iosif stalin
      Iosif stalin 22 February 2018 05: 21
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      They are already mixed with pesom
      1. xxxOSxxx
        xxxOSxxx 16 March 2018 11: 02
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        And can you confirm?
  2. Sirocco
    Sirocco 9 January 2017 06: 38
    +18
    Guys, you voiced an interesting topic, but what will happen on the Syrian theater, we will never know. This belongs to the category of state secrets. I think that many here know, and many are silent about what they know. And this is my personal opinion that there is no smoke without fire (it is the presence of PMCs in Syria and the DPR). Since there are Western experts there, it’s a sin not to run around ours, because other types of weapons and equipment have been run in, so let's not lie to ourselves, topic of PMCs, arguing that the articles of the Criminal Code. After all, the law is that drawbar. And there are many examples of this drawbar, even in the civilian sector, even in the army today. I consider the army’s merit reduction to be unjustified, and this information is for the average citizen of Europe and the United States, with their education, who eagerly eat such crap, well, they don’t have the mind and education to think, especially logic. Probably someone acts according to the manuals of the West, believing that our education system has prepared the same blanks. I doubt that the VKS, GRU, Navy (UAV, Space Intelligence), all this is an adjective to PMCs. I think PMCs are such a master key, which is described in the article, from the series I'm not me and not my cow.
    And so as not to sow doubt in the heads of readers, then it is not necessary at all to exaggerate this topic. And lie to yourself, believe in it. About PMCs specifically about the security business of our corporations, I heard more about the events in the Donbass. And not from the newspapers.
    1. antivirus
      antivirus 9 January 2017 08: 26
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      In Syria, there will be brothers from the social camp, according to old ties. Besides ours.
      Assad invited. Security, for the chorus of money.
      Bulgarians and Romanians and Poles are suddenly working now. All are silent. NATO has information, "Assad's oilmen" - protection.
      Or maybe the Indians, anyone else?
      1. 210ox
        210ox 9 January 2017 09: 21
        +1
        Of course, I won’t say, but these people from the socialist camp are already over fifty dollars. They can work as consultants, but do not run in the mountains. Yes, and it should be borne in mind that such specialists will be primarily used by fenders.
        Quote: antivirus
        In Syria, there will be brothers from the social camp, according to old ties. Besides ours.
        Assad invited. Security, for the chorus of money.
        Bulgarians and Romanians and Poles are suddenly working now. All are silent. NATO has information, "Assad's oilmen" - protection.
        Or maybe the Indians, anyone else?
    2. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 9 January 2017 10: 09
      +2
      Quote: Sirocco
      About PMCs specifically about the security business of our corporations, I heard more about the events in the Donbass. And not from the newspapers.

      where there is security, there is also the elimination of competitors and those who interfere with this business - and this does not mean going around with a machine gun around the perimeter of the guarded object.
  3. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 9 January 2017 07: 01
    +6
    If such stuffing is carried out, then someone needs it. And the point in this case is not only to practically nullify the successes of our Armed Forces, but probably more to advertise this so-called. "groups". Then again, money is at the forefront, and probably not small.
    1. domokl
      domokl 9 January 2017 08: 16
      +2
      I’m afraid to give a precise figure, but as a keepsake, in 2015, PMC revenues were in the 400-450 region of billions of US rubles ... Advertising is the engine of trade ..
      1. gladcu2
        gladcu2 9 January 2017 19: 40
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        domokl

        I read that the total number of mercenaries in the world is about 600.

        Not a little.
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  4. vlad007
    vlad007 9 January 2017 07: 12
    +6
    Quote from the article: "Today, many publications have published articles" from reliable sources from everywhere ", which actively promote the idea that Russia owes its successes in Syria and other places not to its army, but ... to private military companies! Constantly trained soldiers and officers of the Defense Ministry and other law enforcement agencies carry out the most difficult tasks, and employees of private military companies. Former special forces soldiers and retired officers. "

    Suppose this is so. Suppose, conditionally! And what's wrong with that? Professionals, who were OUR military, for the money solve the tasks assigned to them by the command. These are OUR citizens, volunteers! What's wrong? This in no case casts a shadow on our army! On the contrary! Maybe I'm wrong? But I think that there is nothing wrong with the participation of our PMCs in hostilities! Neither from the moral point of view nor from any other.
    1. domokl
      domokl 9 January 2017 08: 23
      +1
      But what about the law? Another casts a shadow on the army. The idea of ​​subordinating PMCs to the Defense Ministry of the Russian Federation is actively spreading.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 9 January 2017 10: 30
        +2
        The law does not prohibit this. Prohibits mercenarism. And if a certain group guards an object in the database area, or of a person / people, or trains or repairs ... and so on. There’s nothing illegal about it

        And even if it’s just to go to war, the mere inclusion of a group in the army structure of one of the parties and the level of monetary allowance the same as that of local people in similar positions turns an evil mercenary in the eyes of the Laws, including international ones, into a noble volunteer.
        1. dogens
          dogens 28 March 2017 15: 14
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          Quote: Spade
          The law does not prohibit this. Prohibits mercenarism. And if a certain group guards an object in the database area, or of a person / people, or trains or repairs ... and so on. There’s nothing illegal about it
          And even if it’s just to go to war, the mere inclusion of a group in the army structure of one of the parties and the level of monetary allowance the same as that of local people in similar positions turns an evil mercenary in the eyes of the Laws, including international ones, into a noble volunteer.


          Read the mercenary article again. The inclusion of one of the parties in the armies will be just a mercenary. Participation in hostilities outside their own state.
          I think that most likely even if a citizen of the Russian Federation is included in the SAR army, according to the law, mercenaries are soldered to him anyway upon return. Only as part of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation with all documents drawn up on a business trip indicating goals and objectives. Only in this way it will be possible to fight beyond the hill without consequences.
          If it guards an object, it means with weapons in its hands on the territory of a foreign state. Protects for money. Protects - means "performs the task." In peacetime, this will not be a mercenary, if it is guarded not in the state of the armed forces of a foreign state, but in the state of some sort of company. But if there is a database, then everything, upon returning to their homeland, is an article of mercenarism.
          I see so.
      2. Dart2027
        Dart2027 9 January 2017 19: 58
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        Quote: domokl
        The idea of ​​subordinating PMCs to the Defense Ministry of the Russian Federation is actively spreading.

        All PMCs are subordinate to one or another state structure. Although the MO is likely to have nothing to do with it, the connection with the GRU looks quite logical. PMCs do not win the war, but can be a tool of special services and a cover for special forces.
        1. svp67
          svp67 9 January 2017 20: 02
          +1
          Quote: Dart2027
          Although the MO is likely to have nothing to do with it, the connection with the GRU looks quite logical.

          What kind of logic do you have?
          The Main Intelligence Directorate, in your GRU, is one of the Directorates within the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, and it is accordingly subordinate to the Ministry of Defense, that is, the Ministry of Defense
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 9 January 2017 22: 40
            +1
            Quote: svp67
            What kind of logic do you have?

            It's just that intelligence will always have its own specific relationship with the army. Remember how much scream was when the GRU special forces transferred directly to the army? The GRU itself is part of the Ministry of Defense, but the direct subordination of the structure as a whole is one thing, and special cases are another. In this case, I believe that the PMC leadership is working with intelligence without direct contacts with the Defense Ministry.
          2. Dart2027
            Dart2027 9 January 2017 22: 40
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            Quote: svp67
            What kind of logic do you have?

            It's just that intelligence will always have its own specific relationship with the army. Remember how much scream was when the GRU special forces transferred directly to the army? The GRU itself is part of the Ministry of Defense, but the direct subordination of the structure as a whole is one thing, and special cases are another. In this case, I believe that the PMC leadership is working with intelligence without direct contacts with the Defense Ministry.
    2. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 9 January 2017 10: 10
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      Quote: vlad007
      Professionals, who were OUR military, for the money solve the tasks assigned to them by the command. These are OUR citizens, volunteers! What's wrong?

      You have some kind of contradiction in the post. Volunteers solve problems for an idea, not for money
    3. gladcu2
      gladcu2 9 January 2017 19: 44
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      Vlad

      The bad thing is that mercenaries are not responsible for the state, but only work in their own pockets.
      They cannot represent their country.
    4. nickname7
      nickname7 12 February 2018 11: 44
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      Similarly, the rossapposition at Ukrosmi, they are constantly trying to find and find, the troops of the Russian Federation on their territory, it is presented as bad and shameful, protecting their interests, for the Russian Federation it is embarrassing, but let me be ashamed. There Poland, having done abominations and stupidities, is not ashamed, but blames everyone.
  5. Mar.Tirah
    Mar.Tirah 9 January 2017 07: 15
    +2
    In principle, they are needed. It is no accident that we have adopted a law on PMCs. Yesterday, when viewing the Israeli Russian-language press, a very interesting article and video came across. The Israelis raised a howl from a photo of a Russian special forces officer with the Hezbollah emblem. They say this is the MTR of the General Staff of the Russian Federation, they want to undermine the foundations of Israel. And the fact that now there are such PMCs, and not only among the "foreigners" but also we are not interested in anyone.https://cont.ws/post/483254
    1. Sirocco
      Sirocco 9 January 2017 07: 34
      +4
      Quote: Mar. Tira
      They say this is the MTR of the General Staff of the Russian Federation, they want to undermine the foundations of Israel.

      I think that in 2008 in Georgia there were the same representatives of Israeli PMCs who wanted to undermine the foundations of Russia. Again, double standards, someone can PMCs, someone no way.
      Seriously, I think this is not to undermine Israel, a disguise, so to speak)))
      1. Iskander Sh
        Iskander Sh 9 January 2017 07: 53
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        Quote: Sirocco
        I think that in 2008 in Georgia there were the same representatives of PMCs of Israel,



        Sense of Israel to go to war in Georgia? Already for something, but there are plenty of places to wave a saber without leaving the native lands of Israel.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 9 January 2017 10: 31
          +3
          Quote: Iskander Sh
          Sense of Israel to go to war in Georgia?

          Money.
        2. Maz
          Maz 9 January 2017 20: 36
          +5
          the point is that Israeli intelligence officers are prohibited from working in the promised land in their specialty after being retired. So they climb everywhere, and in Georgia, with the blessing of the elite and the United States, there were as many as 115 Israeli instructors. They taught how our Russian soldiers from the peacekeeping battalion and Abkhazians to kill advanced, like Arabs. The proud, exceptional, special tried. Until now, "I love". plus they collect intelligence and recruit agents in the host country. very comfortably
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      3. Mar.Tirah
        Mar.Tirah 9 January 2017 08: 53
        +2
        Let’s say, from the original source, I know that there are units in Israel that have in their arsenal a Russian military uniform and our weapons are in their arms. Someone who guarantees that the Israeli commandos do not operate in other people's clothing in Syria. that PMCs do not seem to work on behalf of the state, therefore there is nothing to show. Excuse the business. Who pays, that girl also dances. Someone pays for Hezbollah, and this is not necessarily just Russians.
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    3. Horst78
      Horst78 9 January 2017 18: 36
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      Quote: Mar. Tira
      The Israelis raised a howl, from a photo of a Russian commando with the Hezbollah emblem.
      Set-off disguise bully Why not? Our "partners" do not disdain anything.
  6. Double major
    Double major 9 January 2017 07: 46
    +7
    The fact that PMCs are needed, and a law is needed for them, for situations when the army cannot help for one reason or another is a fact. Well, they are afraid that we will give weapons to the population ... And the fact that we still do not have these PMCs in full form is also a fact.
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 9 January 2017 10: 54
      +5
      Quote: Twice Major
      And the fact that we still do not have these PMCs in full-fledged form is also a fact.

      laughing It is you who, out of ignorance of the complete information, say so or simply turn a blind eye to the facts. Every major corporation, be it Gazprom, Lukoil, Rosneft, etc. have their own PMCs - which are proudly referred to as the Internal Security Service. And I, as a person who interacted with various specialists from two such corporations, I can confidently say - the specialists there are all former soldiers or militia officers or fsbeshniki, with good military training and constant advanced training. Well, actually, we can add to this that rich companies have in their assets much more opportunities to supply their mini-armies than the Moscow Region. Heavy weapons of course not. Tractors and armored cars are present.
      1. PSih2097
        PSih2097 9 January 2017 12: 28
        +3
        Quote: Corsair
        Heavy weapons of course not.

        Believe me, if it is needed, they will rivet both "Armata" and "Kurgan residents" in a short time and put drums on, because, unlike the Ministry of Defense, which is on the balance sheet of the country's budget, the listed offices have free money (it is not possible to withdraw money from circulation in case of need will be difficult), and they have more opportunities.
      2. Stinger
        Stinger 9 January 2017 12: 41
        +4
        You're right. With so many elite crooks, it simply cannot be that they are not guarded by elite troops.
    2. Corsair
      Corsair 9 January 2017 10: 55
      +3
      Quote: Twice Major
      And the fact that we still do not have these PMCs in full-fledged form is also a fact.

      laughing It is you who, out of ignorance of the complete information, say so or simply turn a blind eye to the facts. Every major corporation, be it Gazprom, Lukoil, Rosneft, etc. have their own PMCs - which are proudly referred to as the Internal Security Service. And I, as a person who interacted with various specialists from two such corporations, I can confidently say - the specialists there are all former soldiers or militia officers or fsbeshniki, with good military training and constant advanced training. Well, actually, we can add to this that rich companies have in their assets much more opportunities to supply their mini-armies than the Moscow Region. Heavy weapons of course not. Tractors and armored cars are present.
  7. BIP PS FSB RF
    BIP PS FSB RF 9 January 2017 09: 43
    +4
    Quote: ImPerts
    why only wagner? There is no one else? Or all "even more secret

    And in addition to stories, there are always airsoft players on the photo of the stuffing - they probably look pathetic wassat
  8. Was mammoth
    Was mammoth 9 January 2017 09: 45
    +2
    Moreover, the journalists "shyly kept silent" about the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation and the Constitution of Russia. Meanwhile, the participation of a citizen in armed conflicts on the territory of other countries provides for 7 full years in some Mordovian colony (Article 359). And for the recruitment, training and financing of mercenaries - 15 years.
    As far as I understand, a PMC-structure that makes money in the war. And, therefore, a "PMC employee" is a "wild goose", a mercenary with all the consequences. As for the mercenaries, it's clear, but what about the volunteers? It turns out that all the volunteers who went to Donbass have to "cut wood" in Mordovia? Should the film "Volunteers" be banned, following the example of Bandera? wink And where is the line?
    1. domokl
      domokl 9 January 2017 10: 00
      +2
      Alas, you raised a very serious question. We don’t talk about this yet, but in Belarus, volunteers get investigated immediately ... So ... A ghostly excuse about disinterested people does not go there ... Like a mercenary is fighting for money, and we are for the idea. Especially now, when the Republican army began to pay salaries
      1. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 9 January 2017 10: 16
        +2
        in Kazakhstan, similarly, it seems that they already received the deadlines for participating in the battles on the side of LDNR
      2. Was mammoth
        Was mammoth 9 January 2017 11: 17
        +1
        Quote: domokl
        We don’t talk about this yet, but in Belarus volunteers are immediately investigated ..

        Quote: Stirbjorn
        in Kazakhstan, similarly ...

        Why so? One very diligent judge just recently sent to Kiev one of such steps. All according to the law am Another question: "The law is that tongue." The guarantor will decide.
        PMCs are the birth of capitalism. Making money on blood is profitable for governments. "I am not me and the cow is not mine." Therefore, the existence of PMCs in Russia under any sauce is possible. Yes, I think they exist under the guise of security structures for oil rigs, ships, water pipelines, or something else under the "tutelage" of special services.
        1. Igor Savin
          Igor Savin 14 October 2017 00: 26
          +1
          They haven’t yet issued such a law so that they could guard oil and gas towers abroad :) On their own, they hire foreigners! PMCs exist in those countries where problems and freedom of arms. Not relevant for the Russian Federation, proved by the Pentagon, which still cannot accredit PMCs (only a few of hundreds cooperate, and most importantly - at the level of minor tasks). For the reason that PMCs are not tied to the oath and charters of the military !!! How do you imagine the fulfillment of important tasks or crucial operations? PMCs must also maintain their rating, but do not think, for example, "at any cost" :)
  9. Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 9 January 2017 10: 18
    +2
    According to PMC Wagner, a rumor immediately comes to mind about the direct participation of these people in the elimination of Bednov (Batman).
  10. Bashibuzuk
    Bashibuzuk 9 January 2017 10: 35
    +7
    Honestly, from the whole article I understood only one thing - pro.balts and Poles, and behind them others inflate the topic of Russian PMCs. Which are camouflaged ... hands, feet and other organs of our valiant Guarantor. By which organs he intensely comes to the whole world.
    Like so.
    I agree that such advertising is not at all necessary. Our government does not need. The president does not need. We ourselves do not need. We ourselves always mock at all kinds of Rambas and Superman with Batman. And then, it turns out, our Ramba Ivanovich is the most rambling in the world. The mess.
    So what to do? And what can be done in such a situation? To tell? Or, those who are here, and they themselves know?
    Of course they know.
    Tell openly. And don't be shy. Do not refer to some semi-mythical "guards". And clearly declare, like the Americans and NATO members - THIS is the zone of interests of Russia. And we will defend these interests by ANY ways and methods. And whoever likes it or not is your problem. And worries.
    As for the clickers - and in Russia already in general, or something, general freedom of speech? The freedom of lies and slander? Freedom of empty chatter?
    And there are no restrictions? And the laws in no way protect anyone's rights?
    Got a couple of times a newspaper on a lie - close it on ........ For an indefinite time, in short. Until the brains get clean. And if they remain ghosted - well, let this same Wagner PMC, or Bach, or Haydn, or Mozart come there, and clean their brains, hollow and other holes. Then it will be possible to write, based on reality.
    For me personally, for example, in parallel - externally, at least - do we have PMCs or not.
    And in the soul, in the depths, I know what is. And rightly so! Life ... it's so .....
  11. svp67
    svp67 9 January 2017 10: 41
    +8
    And nevertheless, the person who is called the head of this "PMC", namely Dmitry Utkin, journalists recorded among those invited to the Kremlin at a solemn meeting in honor of "Heroes of the Fatherland Day", although there is no official data that he was awarded the title of Hero ... Also like his deputy, Andrei Troshev, but he was also recorded there ... So there is food for various "reflections".
    1. Igor Savin
      Igor Savin 14 January 2017 11: 25
      0
      What kind of journalists? From the same "Fontanka" :) Who fanned false PR about PMCs, and people were invited to the Kremlin for other merits and reasons. All awards of people are from the past. Together with Troshev, I received the Order of the Red Star for Afghanistan (and all his awards are from the past), today he is the director and founder of the Veterans Defense League, a businessman. He doesn't care about dubious matters. And yes, if he gets tired of this hype, then after the revelations of Fontanka, they will write that they meant not PMC Wagner, but PMC Wagner :)
  12. Tambov Wolf
    Tambov Wolf 9 January 2017 11: 45
    +5
    The authors, I, it was a sinful thing to think that you were more knowledgeable people. I should have thought. Everyone has long known that all our "PMCs" are supported by the RF Ministry of Defense (weapons, equipment, even salaries) and are supervised by the FSB and the GRU, depending on the nature operations. Everything can be found on the Internet and by talking to knowledgeable people (without any top secret data).
    1. Igor Savin
      Igor Savin 14 January 2017 11: 35
      0
      When the special forces were slaughtered, a new service was created, which would have a legal and legal status, similar to Western special forces. Today the Russian Federation has two KSSO centers, there is no reason to hide it, as it was before. So why should they play childish and naive secrets about illegal PMCs, when there are professional forces who invented for THIS (and the like)? If you hide, then why shine them? Where is the logic. And why is only Fontanka crowing about it? This is a public relations private security company, the maximum possibilities of such offices are protection on foreign territory. The competition is high, so you need to create a cult. And yes, even in the United States, out of hundreds of PMCs, only a few (!) Are accredited by Petnagon in order to conduct at least some kind of joint operations. Our army cannot be trained as needed with good budgets and specialists, only elite troops and units with special status. And then some "homeless" from PMCs, do you yourself understand what nonsense this is, what are you writing about? :)
  13. max702
    max702 9 January 2017 12: 09
    +2
    Why do people today use PMCs? It's simple, in addition to political benefits, there is also financial .. Yes, it is financial! A soldier needs to be trained, maintained, treated to provide pensions with housing and much more .. And it does not look like the PMC employee works for a lot of money (by the standards of the monetary allowance of a military man) BUT! These are one-time payments and they are much less than the amount spent on providing a full-time soldier. And plus, indeed, a mercenary is a mercenary and there are much fewer claims against the state in whose interests .. These institutions have always existed, and accordingly will continue to happen ..
    1. Igor Savin
      Igor Savin 14 January 2017 11: 55
      0
      Large sums are paid by businessmen, because PMCs are intended for them in the first place. The Pentagon or the Ministry of Defense of any other country does not pay large sums in comparison with the l / s of military personnel. In our country, the military budgets in terms of each military employee (if all the money is given only to the military, from soldiers and officers to school cadets) is about $ 150.000 a year. This is nothing less than paying PMCs :) And yes, the state needs efficiency, so they will attract professional forces, and here it is KSSO, created in the manner of Western special forces. But God bless it, another question, who are PMCs, who are in them? Former military personnel? So they are written off, their "expiration date" has expired! Active combat tactics officers are retired at 35. think with your head, not your eyes, reading the yellow PR about private security companies, which are blown up to PMCs :) Everything is so secret, but the yellow press knows everything here, reveals all state secrets :)
  14. siberalt
    siberalt 9 January 2017 12: 33
    +3
    "PMC" - the end of the rule of law. Already because it cannot protect itself and defend its interests without mercenaries - executioners.
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    2. Cat man null
      Cat man null 9 January 2017 12: 45
      +3
      Quote: siberalt
      "PMC" - the end of the rule of law

      - ah-ah-ah ... what a sadness ...
      - But tell me, are the United States, Great Britain, Israel, South Africa - legal states? It’s scary to say that there are PMCs there belay

      Quote: siberalt
      it itself cannot defend itself and defend its interests without mercenaries - executioners

      - Well, what are the "executioners" right away? Professional fighters who do not officially work for this state, so it will not be more true?
      - eh, Sibiralt, Sibiralt.... Tolmacha would you pair laughing
      1. Was mammoth
        Was mammoth 9 January 2017 13: 13
        +1
        Quote: Cat Man Null
        but tell me, the United States, Britain, Israel, South Africa - the rule of law? It’s scary to say that there are belay PMCs there

        Especially, the rule of law is the United States. wink It was necessary to add France and Germany. wink
        Quote: Cat Man Null
        Well, what are the "executioners" right away? Professional fighters who do not officially work for this state, so it will not be more true?

        Anto, depending on what tasks they are assigned and how they are solved.
        Quote: Cat Man Null
        sadness
        wink
    3. ML-334
      ML-334 9 January 2017 13: 14
      +1
      Will you send the conscript son against the thugs?
      1. Was mammoth
        Was mammoth 9 January 2017 13: 39
        +3
        Quote: ML-334
        Will you send the conscript son against the thugs?

        Poke at home.
        Do we have an army of conscripts alone? And, conscripts are needed, so that, God forbid again, there would be someone to defend the Motherland in a difficult time. "Honorable Duty" - you heard, maybe.
        1. user3970
          user3970 9 January 2017 15: 57
          0
          The people. And who will explain to me whether the armed units of Chechnya are PMCs, or did they take the military oath and obey the armed command of the Ministry of Defense, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, etc.? Something I doubt the latter. Carriers of maroon berets go and pee with boiling water when they see them on the Chechen fighters. Complete devaluation! And the uniform on the leaders of these fighters is unknown which army. I vaguely suspect that they sent this very "guard" to Syria, as fighters of PMCs.
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    4. g1v2
      g1v2 9 January 2017 16: 10
      +5
      That's how people can compare warm with soft? PMCs are a business and, in essence, are not much different from chop. In Russia, we count more than a million guards who are members of a private security company. MUCH LIKE A LICENSE FOR WEAPONS. A LIKE DAMAGE TO LEGAL GOS-WU, IT WASN'T DONE? Lukoil has oil production in Iraq, the Norilsk Nickel mines in South America, the Rosatom have strategic uranium mining in Tanzania, our merchant ships regularly sail through dangerous sections of the ocean where there are pirates or various militants. Who will protect it all will be - will we hire Americans? Or to drive soldiers? So for the introduction of parts of the entire RF Ministry of Defense in the same Tanzania or Iraq, legal grounds and the consent of our parliament and the government of the same Iraq are needed. Not to mention the fact that it is not really a hunt for state agencies to protect the property of private companies. repeat
      Grandparents from a private security company cannot be imprisoned to guard a tower in the desert from igloids - you need well-armed and trained strong guys. So the security structures appeared in fact no different from PMCs. The fact that the security services closely supervise and control them is beyond doubt. The same uranium from Tanzania is a strategic raw material.
      Again, if it is possible to solve a problem abroad without attracting attention, then hiring such a company is quite profitable. Anyone sneezing our Defense Ministry and special services abroad is under the scrutiny of the media, intelligence and the public and is bound by various international treaties and rules and leads to shaming in Western media. PMCs do not fall under these rules. Yes, and the state of them is not aware of the type - you never know what private business is stirring up abroad. We are out of business - honestly. request
      1. gladcu2
        gladcu2 9 January 2017 20: 06
        +1
        g1v2

        All that you have described regarding the protection of private industrial enterprises abroad is the responsibility of the state.

        If such companies protect themselves, then this company works out of nationality. Those. does not belong to the state.
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 9 January 2017 20: 17
          +3
          Quote: gladcu2
          All that you have described on the protection of private industrial enterprises abroad is the responsibility of the state

          - they painted everything for you there, like a preschooler:

          Quote: g1v2
          for the introduction of parts of the RF Defense Ministry in the same Tanzania or Iraq, legal grounds and the consent of our parliament and the government of the same Iraq are needed

          - Do you think that this is so easily and simply achieved?
          Quote: gladcu2
          If such companies protect themselves

          - company at own expense, with the involvement of PMCs, guardsFor example, own objects abroad
          - oil towers, eg... pipelinesfor example ...
          - where and how from this it follows that

          Quote: gladcu2
          this company operates outside of nationality. Those. does not belong to the state

          - ?????
          - delirium please carry, a foreigner negative

          PS: Is there a PMC in Canada? Or get along with "neighbors"? wink
          1. Igor Savin
            Igor Savin 14 October 2017 00: 14
            0
            Discover the world of secrets: they do not guard overseas abroad! Our "gas workers" and "oil workers" are guarded by strangers hired by foreigners! We have not yet introduced laws to protect ourselves. You are a scribe, distant people living in myths :)
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  16. Maz
    Maz 9 January 2017 20: 41
    +2
    Quote: Iskander Sh
    Quote: Sirocco
    I think that in 2008 in Georgia there were the same representatives of PMCs of Israel,



    Sense of Israel to go to war in Georgia? Already for something, but there are plenty of places to wave a saber without leaving the native lands of Israel.

    the point is that Israeli security officials are forbidden to work in the promised country in their specialty. So they climb everywhere where they are not asked.
  17. Wolka
    Wolka 10 January 2017 05: 54
    +1
    Well, thank God, the authors plus, although there were those who separated the grain from the chaff ...
  18. Mwg
    Mwg 10 January 2017 09: 24
    +4
    "a retired 50 and older (and many are in this category today) will never be able to" work "more efficiently than a 30-40-year-old man" - that's for sure: the reactions are not the same, and the start from the finish line with a crunch, and shortness of breath manifests itself. But with tactics and strategy - wow!
    1. Igor Savin
      Igor Savin 14 October 2017 00: 06
      0
      Tactics are skillful actions, it is they who first sag, and not a reaction or shortness of breath! Anyway, tactics are knowledge on the shoulders of commanders, not fighters. Like what "academics" can do in strategy. In other words, your conclusions are final ("but") for ordinary people who are uninitiated in the military :)
  19. SIT
    SIT 10 January 2017 11: 47
    0
    How to legally arm a guard service which thread of a tower or pipe in another country? They do not wander with hunting reeds there. For this, there is a gray arms market. That's just the legitimacy of this market is also gray. The turnover of the gray arms market is comparable to the turnover of the white market, but destroyers, planes, and tanks sell on white. How much do you need to sell light weapons to get the same money? Probably there are still not only rifles and pistols, but also heavier weapons. If money will decide everything, soon PMCs will sail to the towers and pipes on aircraft carriers.
  20. dogens
    dogens 10 January 2017 15: 27
    0
    So that there are no more awkward comments:
    ST 359 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation.
    1. The recruitment, training, financing or other material support of a mercenary, as well as its use in armed conflict or military operations, shall be punishable by deprivation of liberty for a term of four to eight years, with or without restriction of liberty for a term of up to two years.
    2. The same acts committed by a person using his official position or in relation to a minor, shall be punishable by deprivation of liberty for a term of seven to fifteen years with a fine in the amount of up to five hundred thousand rubles or in the amount of wages or other income of the convicted person for a period of up to three years, or without it and with restriction of freedom for a period of one year to two years or without it.
    3. Participation of a mercenary in an armed conflict or military operations - shall be punishable by imprisonment for a term of three to seven years, with or without restriction of liberty for a term of up to one year.
    Note. A mercenary is a person who is acting for the purpose of receiving material remuneration and who is not a citizen of a state participating in an armed conflict or military actions, who does not reside permanently on its territory, and who is not a person who is assigned to perform official duties.

    That is, paragraphs 1-2 applies specifically to recruiters and persons who attract mercenaries. I would like to draw your attention to clause 2. “committed by a person using his official position”.
    So, all those who do not distinguish between the difference for "Idea" and "For money", a detailed study of Art. 359 of the Criminal Code will help to understand the essence of the issue.
    Now let's figure it out. Everything is clear for the money. Paid-shoot where they said. At the same time, you are not a citizen of the paying (and belligerent) side, you do not live here permanently, and the RF Ministry of Defense has not sent you here on a business trip. It seems clear.
    And what are "volunteers" "For an idea"? work for free in the interests of a foreign country, while again they do not live here, do not have citizenship, and are not sent on a business trip. OK. And what to shoot with? What will they give? OK. And what are they wearing? The form that you probably gave? OK. And what are they to eat? probably feed them for free. OK. Like volunteers, but the only material benefit we have is any security. And upon their return they will be recognized as mercenaries. Unless, of course, no one sent them on a business trip .... well, you never know.

    Of course, I understand everything, patriotism and so on .... but the calls to readers in the article to be "reasonable" and "not to perceive the existence of PMCs", on the contrary, cause the feeling that I am being held for an idiot.

    The article of the Criminal Code is needed. Killing for money is certainly not good. But, I believe that in some cases, as a lever of the state, this is a necessary measure, and the point here is not even in money, but in possibilities of use. And even if a certain Wagner is operating in Syria (Wagner is not Wagner, but I feel someone is there), this is simply due to political necessity and secrecy. And we should not even discuss this while sitting at home.
    The main thing is that these Wagners do not start shooting at their own on Bolotnaya or Palace Square, or where else.
    1. mostov70
      mostov70 12 January 2017 16: 50
      0
      Quote: dogens
      The main thing is that these Wagners do not start shooting at their own on Bolotnaya or Palace Square, or where else.

      - that's why the article in uk and keep prozap
  21. SIT
    SIT 10 January 2017 17: 12
    +3
    Quote: dogens
    So that there are no more awkward comments:
    ST 359 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation.
    And upon return they will be recognized as mercenaries. .

    And who will collect the evidence base? Okay Syria, our special services there are clearly not strangers, but what if other places? I would like to look at any prosecutor or investigator at 92-93m in Liberia. There simply white skin was a pass to the next world. Well and most importantly, we still need to live to see the return. If you are holding weapons in a combat zone in camouflage without signs of distinction, they are taken alive by what thread are relatively civilized shots and instead of documents or at least a dog tag, only a deck of playing cards is found in your pocket, then they have every right to slap you in place without trial and investigation. If you take the locals alive, then it doesn’t matter ... Somehow, a certificate of ownership of what kind of thread real estate acquired in a given country can serve as a guarantee of your legitimacy. You are already like an Esquire and are fighting for your hard-earned money. Moreover, this property without bargaining could be bought for as much as 17 dollars. If you show respect and bargain as it should be an hour and a half, then they will give for 12.
  22. Yutas
    Yutas 11 January 2017 13: 08
    0
    Yes, we have such a "Fontanka". Sorry, what really .... ((
  23. Mister22408
    Mister22408 11 January 2017 15: 18
    0
    Yes, Fontan wrote poorly - she did not consult, Panimash, with anyone ... Maybe this is a gang of translators putting sticks in the wheels of a gang of cooks? It’s good that Fontan’s budget for servicing MOs without contests doesn’t cut ...
    1. Igor Savin
      Igor Savin 13 October 2017 23: 49
      0
      Well, you don’t know where the budgets come from from Fontankisru, and from what circle of St. Petersburg their fuflopropaganda is covered :)
  24. Ded_Mazay
    Ded_Mazay 11 January 2017 21: 53
    0
    Watch regularly the materials of the All-Russian State Television and Radio Broadcasting Company on the Syrian topic and everything will immediately fall into place, the "fire", "smoke" from which some here are looking for in this material Russia 24 is described in full:

    It's just that in the heads of individual supporters of liberalism, and members of the cult of the infallible west, heads clearly not burdened with special knowledge of the military history of Russia, as well as with "intelligence and ingenuity", it does not fit that the Russian army, in which until recently "the grass was painted" and "dripped from fence and before dinner "can fight and fight in such a way that shreds fly through the back streets from the barmaley, nurtured by the" infallible west ".
    Not to mention the presence of extra-class specialists in it with excellent equipment made at the highest technological level.
    Although it seems to me that everything is much more prosaic: some of the "journalists" do not have a conscience in view of its complete absence, and they pay extra for citation of materials.
  25. mostov70
    mostov70 12 January 2017 16: 47
    0
    It is disgusting to him. But it is disgusting to me that all our volunteers in the Donbass go under this article. And many are already sitting.
    1. Igor Savin
      Igor Savin 13 October 2017 23: 44
      0
      The article of the Russian Federation does not go to our volunteers !!! Now, if they enter the PMC foreign and are there on the side of Dill, then - yes, the article is shining.
  26. Hryun Morzhov
    Hryun Morzhov 14 January 2017 19: 44
    0
    on condition of anonymity Colonels of the GRU Undermining Ustoyev and Ushat Sloboev revealed the secret about the "Wagner, Moiseev and Penkin Groups". WSJ Journalist Wallpaper Roll
  27. bbss
    bbss 7 February 2017 01: 55
    0
    A year ago, I happened to work with a large departmental security structure. One of our ministries is guarding its facilities. Numbering more than 20 thousand ... But all this is spread throughout the country. Armament - civilian rifle. Transport - grooves and rotational shifts. This organization cannot be considered any armed force. So, "a lot of watchmen." But the famous general commands.
  28. Artem Popov
    Artem Popov 1 March 2018 15: 09
    0
    It’s so funny to read such whistleblowers after the ransom is opened)