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After a period of uncertainty in the fate of the "European fighter" project participants decided to continue the program of its creation. Looking at the future, the governments of Great Britain, Germany, Italy and Spain, despite the need for significant financial injections, were aware that the continuation of work would contribute to the development of national high-tech industries.



At the end of 1992, at a meeting of defense ministers of the countries participating in the EFA consortium, a number of important moments for the further development of the program were identified. Problems addressed by the consortium, such as the coordination of research work among the participating countries and the organization of the final assembly, were considered. The adopted memorandum voiced the approximate time of the aircraft’s entry into service. In the British Air Force from 2000, in the Luftwaffe - from 2002. The life cycle of an aircraft subject to modernization should be at least 30 years. At the same time, the program received a new name - EF 2000.



The parties also decided on the distribution of the production program for the aircraft. In Great Britain, the manufacture of the nose of the fuselage and the main fire station were carried out, in Germany - the central part of the fuselage and the keel. Wings were jointly produced at BAe and Aeritalia enterprises. At the first stage, the final assembly was decided to be conducted in all countries - participants of the consortium at a rate of up to 10 aircraft per month. It was not very rational from an economic point of view, but it did not infringe upon the interests of any of the countries.

Taking into account the collapse of the Warsaw Pact and the reduction of the risk of global war, in order to reduce the cost of the project, the developers went to a slight decrease in the combat characteristics of the fighter. The design of the airframe, cabin and engines remained the same. The requirements for flight range and flight duration, as well as for take-off and landing characteristics have changed. The main changes affected the electronic filling. It was decided to abandon the front-view optoelectronic station, somewhat simplify the radar and jamming system. Radar now instead of ten can only accompany six targets at a time. The protection of the aircraft’s electronic systems against the electromagnetic impulse of a nuclear explosion was considered unnecessary. The guaranteed order book of the Eurofighter consortium has also decreased. Now he compiled 607 airplanes: Great Britain - 250, Germany - 140, Italy - 130 and Spain - 87.



The flight of the first prototype of the EF 2000 took place on March 27 1994, at the test airfield of the DASA company near Munich. The plane was missing a number of onboard systems and weapons. Due to the lack of readiness of the standard EJ200 engines, the plane flew with Rolls-Royce RB.199-104D TRDDF. In the same year, experienced aircraft built in Britain and Italy took to the air. In total, the tests were designed to use 7 prototypes. The use of flying laboratories has significantly saved finances and reduced the number of flight hours and test flights. For example, the radar for the Eurofighter was tested on a flying laboratory created on the basis of a short-range airliner BAC 11-1.



A fighter with a normal take-off weight of 16000 kg is equipped with two Eurojet EJ 200 TRDDFs with a total forcing load of 18400 kgf. At an altitude of 10000 meters the aircraft is able to reach speeds of 2495 km / h, the maximum speed at the ground is 1530 km / h. When performing air defense tasks with 4000 liters of fuel in the internal tanks + 1000 liters on the external sling, the combat radius is 1400 km. In shock missions with a maximum take-off mass of 23000 kg, the combat radius depends on the combat load option and the flight profile from 600 to 1300 km without refueling in the air.



The order for serial production of fighters was signed on 30 on January 1998 of the year. 2 September 1998 of the year in the British Farnborough hosted the ceremony of assigning the aircraft its own name - Typhoon, which was a continuation of the "storm" line launched by PANAVIA Tornado. However, this caused dissatisfaction with representatives of the Federal Republic of Germany, since it reminded of the Hawker Typhoon fighter-bomber used by the British Air Force for attack targets in Germany during World War II.

Joint post-war European combat aircraft projects (part of 8)


Test flights generally went quite smoothly, but 21 November 2002 of the year not far from the Spanish airbase Getafe because of a failure in the engine management system crashed a double pre-production aircraft. Both pilots successfully ejected.

After the pre-production tests were completed in 2000, a permit was issued for the start of flight operations. The deliveries of Eurofighter Typhoon, according to the preliminary schedule, should be divided into three tranches. In addition to the countries involved in the development, Typhoons ordered: Austria - 15 aircraft, Kuwait - 28, Oman - 12 and Saudi Arabia - 72. As of July 2016, a total of 599 aircraft have been ordered, delivered - 478. The British contractor BAe is the executor of export orders; aircraft build on assembly lines in other states - members of the consortium only for their own Air Force. That is the same with “Typhoon” story, as with other European joint projects, Jaguar and Tornado: their export deliveries were also carried out only from the United Kingdom.



In parallel with the single-seat fighter in the ratio 1: 10, the construction of double combat training Typhoon T.1 is underway. Initially, the flight life of the aircraft was defined in 6000 hours, but due to some improvements and results obtained during the operation of pre-production aircraft, the life of the machines of the last tranche (series) was extended to 10000 hours. "Typhoon" is in many ways a unique combat aircraft. It is available in four versions, in accordance with the national preferences of each member of the consortium, at the same time, all the contracting companies produce units for each of the ordered aircraft.



In 2003, the operation of the first tranche fighters, designated as EF 2000 Tranche 1 countries of the consortium, began. Aircraft of different trenches have significant differences in avionics. On the "Typhoon" of the second tranche - EF 2000 Tranche 2 installed improved avionics, a more sophisticated weapon system, which allows effectively destroy ground targets and a new on-board computer. The aircraft navigation system includes inertial navigation equipment based on ring laser gyroscopes and satellite navigation receivers. The pilot has a helmet-indicator-indicator, a system for recognition, analysis and prioritization of external threats.



Detection of air targets is carried out by the multi-mode coherent pulse-Doppler radar ECR-90. The PIRATE front-view infrared station is integrated into the weapon control system. It is installed on the external suspension assembly and is intended for searching and tracking air and ground targets. At the moment, the EF 2000 Tranche 3 modification, which is characterized by engines with increased load capacity, more capacious fuel tanks, advanced on-board computer complex, as well as a new E-Scan radar with a phased array, is being mass produced. According to advertising data, this synthetic aperture radar, installed on 3-th tranche aircraft, is able to detect an American F-22A at ​​a distance of at least 60 km.


Antenna radar E-Scan under the protective cover


One of the most complex and expensive electronic components of the Eurofighter was its defense system. It is jointly developed by the companies: Airbus Group, Elettronica, Galileo Avionica and Indra Sistemas SA. The DASS system consists of numerous sensors and computer analyzing information. Sensors are capable of detecting not only radar, but also laser radiation. DASS manages a number of passive and active elements of protection, a set of countermeasures for air defense missiles and air-to-air missiles include tunable jammers, towed decoys, IR trap tapes and dipole reflectors. The containers from the EW system are located on the wing consoles. At present, on the EF 2000 Tranche 3 modification aircraft, multichannel EW equipment with an extended frequency range is installed, which makes it possible to simultaneously interfere with several radar detection and anti-aircraft missile guidance stations.


Containers of electronic warfare equipment on wing consoles of double UBS Typhoon T1


The cost of one set of DASS equipment exceeds $ 1 million. In countries that are not participants of the Eurofighter program, this equipment is supplied incompletely.


Eurofighter Typhoon Fighter Weapon Suspension Units


Built-in armament consists of 27-mm cannons, in the root of the right wing. Up to 6500 kg of combat load can be placed on the thirteen nodes of the external suspension. The armament set includes: AIM-120 AMRAAM, AIM-132 ASRAAM, AIM-9 Sidewinder, IRIS-T, MBDA Meteor, air-to-surface missiles AGM-65 HARM, Brimstone, Тaurus KEPD 88, Storm Shadow / Scalp EG, PCR Sea Killer Marte-ERP, guided bombs Paveway II / III / IV, JDAM. Litening III and AN / AAQ-350 Sniper suspension containers are used to target guided weapons.



However, the composition of the armament of aircraft of different countries can be very different. Thus, RAF became the first customer of MBDA Meteor medium-range air-to-air missiles. In the British Air Force "Typhoons" in the air defense squadrons replaced the interceptors "Tornado". For the first time, the British Typhoon F.95 of August 2 of the year went up to meet the Russian long-range bomber Tu-17MS.



In September 2009, four “Typhoons” were transferred to the RAF Mount Pleasant air base on the Falklands, where they replaced the F.3 Tornado. In this regard, the Argentine government declared an official protest.


Google Earth Satellite Image: British “Typhoon” on Mount Pleasant Airfield Runway


Initially, the Typhoon fighters were supposed to be used mainly for air defense and gaining air superiority. This was fully consistent with the British standard car Typhoon F2 Tranche 1. However, after the decommissioning of the Jaguars and Harriers and the planned early decommissioning of the Tornado drums, the RAF had an urgent need for a multi-purpose aircraft.



The “anti-terrorist” operation in Afghanistan that had begun demanded the modernization of the Typhoon in order to expand its shock capabilities. In July, after the revision of the avionics and armament, the Typhoon was declared a multi-role fighter, which is capable of effectively destroying both airborne and ground targets.


Google Earth Satellite Image: Typhoon FGR4 at Wharton Airfield


The aircraft of the British Air Force adapted for percussion tasks were designated Eurofighter Typhoon FGR4. As in the case of the Tornado, the British became pioneers in improving the fighting qualities of international fighters. The tests of the modernized Typhoon FGR4 were carried out at the factory airfield of BAe Wharton. The two-seater machine, with dual control, which has been modernized in order to expand the shock capabilities, was designated Typhoon T.3.


Google Earth satellite image: Typhoon British planes at Konengsbi airbase


The “Typhoon” combat premiere took place in March 2011, after RAF Typhoon FGR4 fighters redeployed from British Konengsbi and Lewars airbases to the Italian airbase Gioia del Colle in southern Italy. Italian “Typhoons” flew there from Grosseto airbase.


Google Earth satellite image: Typhoon Italian aircraft at Grosseto airbase


Italian and British combat aircraft took part in the "patrol" of Libyan airspace. During the "patrol" "Typhoons" provided aviation support for anti-government forces using 454 kg Paveway II laser-guided UAB and ALARM anti-radar missiles.

In 2014, 12 British Typhoon Tranche 2 was upgraded to use UAB Paveway IV. Soon for these machines work was found in the Middle East. Six Typhoon FGR4 5 December 2015 was launched in Cyprus. Working together with the Tornado, from the Akrotiri air base, they attacked targets in Iraq and Syria.



The RAF management plans to decommission all the remaining early versions of the Typhoon Tranche 2020 in 1. The least worn fighters will be upgraded and offered for sale to foreign buyers. These plans are contrary to previous statements that the service life of "Typhoon" will be at least 30 years. Apparently, in the British budget there are no funds to maintain the entire fleet of Typhoons in the flying state while simultaneously purchasing in the US F-35A fighter jets.


Fighters "Typhoon" Air Force Saudi Arabia


Another country that used the "Typhoons" during the fighting was Saudi Arabia. Upgraded RSAF aircraft of the Typhoon Tranche 2 standard along with the Tornado and F-15SA actively participated in raids on objects of the Housits ​​in Yemen. In February, 2015, the Saudi "Typhoon", first used the Paveway IV bombs when attacking targets in Syria. Currently, Saudi Arabia and BAe Systems are negotiating the supply of an additional batch of 48 Typhoon Tranche 3.

A certain commercial success of the Typhoon of the British assembly is primarily due to their rather high impact potential and competent marketing policy of BAe Systems. Despite the statement of the manufacturer that the Typhoon in close combat is not inferior to other modern combat aircraft, this is not confirmed. Of course, the European fighter is a very decent machine, equipped with the most modern avionics and has good capabilities when used as an air defense interceptor.

During training air battles with American fighters, "Typhoon" without external hangers often strung up over F-15C / D and F-16C / D. American cars due to the characteristics of the aerodynamic scheme "duck", in some cases unable to repeat the maneuvers "Typhoon". However, the Soviet MiG-29 and Su-27 fighters in the middle of the 80-s raised the "bar" of maneuverability characteristics to a new height unattainable for the "Typhoon". The aircraft, created by the standards of thirty years ago, is currently not fully in line with modern requirements and cannot fight against modernized Russian 4 + fighter jets in close air combat.

British Typhoon FGR4 repeatedly visited foreign air bases during joint international exercises. So in July, 2007, with the Indian Air Force held joint maneuvers "Indra-Danush". On the Indian side, the Typhoons were opposed by Su-30MKI. At the same time, the Indian command did not allow its pilots to use the 011M Bars BRLS. The Indian Air Force voluntarily abandoned the advantage that the Su-30MKI has thanks to a more powerful radar, which, moreover, uses electronic beam scanning technology.



The results of the training air battles by mutual agreement of the parties are not commented, however, the British media published informal statements by the pilots of the “Typhoons” who participated in the exercises. According to the British, in order to counter on an equal footing Su-30MKI in close combat, Typhoon requires engines with variable thrust vectoring.


Prototype engine EJ230


In the same year, 2007 became aware of the creation of a prototype engine EJ230 with a deflected thrust vector. In India's 2009, the Typhoon was offered with this engine option. However, it has not been mass-produced until now and is not part of the armament of combat units.

At a cost of about $ 120 million, the Typhoon Tranche 3 cannot compete with the heavy Russian fighters Su-30MK and Su-35С, whose export price is $ 80-90 million. Comparison with the "classmate" MiG-35, whose value is estimated at $ 50 million, also turns out to be in favor of Typhoon. The fierce competition in the armament market to Eurofighter is rendered by the French Rafale. These machines are very similar in appearance and conceptually, which is not surprising. Their common roots grow from the creation of the European EFA fighter.



Comparing the British and French fighters, it can be noted that the mass of the empty “Rafal” is a ton less, while its maximum take-off weight is a ton more. The French fighter has more suspension units and payloads by about 2 tons. That is, the weight perfection of the "French" above. But the Typhoon has great maximum speed and armament, which gives it an advantage when intercepting, besides, the Meteor long-range rocket is part of the Eurofighter’s weapons. Otherwise, both fighters are close, they can be adapted by the same sighting, search and reconnaissance suspension systems of Western development and similar strike armament. However, Rafal is cheaper, it is offered to potential customers at a price of $ 85-100 million, which gives a certain advantage. In addition, the French are not so scrupulous in the restrictions on the transfer of modern technology. One of the reasons for the victory of "Rafal" in the Indian tender of the MRCA was the readiness of France to establish a licensed assembly of a fighter in India.



However, it can be stated that the "Typhoon", created according to the technical conditions of the 4 fighter generation, despite the high-tech avionics was late, by about 20 years. At the time when the decision was made to put the EF 2000 into operation, the first fighter of the 5 generation F-22A was already flying.

A joint European fighter would look very nice in the 90, but in the 21 century it is perceived as a “dinosaur” of a bygone era. Such a significant delay in adopting the Eurofighter is due to the lag of the European design school from the USSR and the USA, as well as the contradictions between the participants of the consortium and the chronic underfunding of the program.

Based on:
https://defenceoftherealm.wordpress.com/2014/11/20/british-aerospace-eap-prelude-to-typhoon/
http://militaryarms.ru/voennaya-texnika/aviaciya/eurofighter-typhoon/
http://www.deagel.com/Aircraft-Protection-Systems/EuroDASS_a001493001.aspx
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/raf-typhoons-patrol-libyan-no-fly-zone
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  1. +7
    10 January 2017 15: 36
    Now you can take a breath and say: Thank you Sergey. The cycle reads like a good book, it is possible that after correcting inaccuracies (if any) and more detailed study, it may well be used as a reference book on this topic.
    1. +11
      10 January 2017 15: 46
      hi Classwork! good
      Quote: EvgNik
      can be used as a reference book on this topic.

      Sergey's work is already referenced by Wikipedia, and some teachers of military universities use his work in their teaching activities.
      1. +4
        10 January 2017 16: 15
        Quote: Mister X
        Wikipedia already refers to Sergey’s work

        Thank you, I didn’t. hi
      2. +2
        10 January 2017 16: 31
        Quote: Mister X
        Sergey's work is already referenced by Wikipedia, and some teachers of military universities use his work in their teaching activities.

        Wikipedia will endure everything, but the teachers of military universities would probably be very surprised that the plane stuffed with modern electronics was called a "dinosaur". Although given our "progressive" education ... wassat
        1. +3
          10 January 2017 16: 45
          Quote: KKND
          would be very surprised that the plane stuffed with modern electronics was called "dinosaur".

          I watch you strongly hooked this word.
        2. +6
          11 January 2017 06: 59
          Quote: KKND
          here the teachers of military universities would probably be very surprised that the plane stuffed with modern electronics was called "dinosaur".

          Eurofighter's strong point is its highly sophisticated avionics, the presence of advanced suspended search and sighting systems and a wide range of strike weapons. Due to what, as it is not unpleasant for us, this aircraft has a significant advantage over modern Russian fighters in terms of strike capabilities. On the whole, the Typhoon is a fine plane, but it was two decades late. It is not for nothing that the Luftwaffe, after meeting with the MiG-29, doubted whether it was worth investing in its development and production. The British, having tested the Typhoons in training battles with the Su-30MKI, in order not to spoil their export reputation, preferred to classify the results of the "joint maneuvering". At the moment, thanks to the newer and longer-range air-to-air missiles (compared to the R-27), the Typhoon has an advantage in long-range missile combat. But as our aerospace forces are saturated with new missiles, taking into account the best characteristics of the Su-30SM and Su-35S radars, the advantage should be with our machines. I am sure there is no need to comment on close combat.
          Sincerely.
      3. avt
        +6
        10 January 2017 17: 32
        Quote: Mister X
        teachers of military universities use his work in their teaching activities.

        Well, let's put this cycle and the previous one pulls itself on a solid monograph good No
        Quote: EvgNik
        reference book on this topic.

        All the same, the volume is significantly less, but the monograph is solid good Thank you for the passage about Rafal. bully A beautiful way out of the topic turned out, gave a kind of quality completion of the whole work good
      4. +5
        11 January 2017 07: 20
        Quote: Mister X
        and some teachers of military universities use his work in their teaching activities.

        I was shocked myself! When, while searching for materials for the CIS air defense cycle, I went to the electronic library of the air defense university and came across the "scientific work" of a lieutenant colonel - head of the department. To be honest, ofigel, about 90% of this was one of my early articles on air defense. wassat
  2. +3
    10 January 2017 16: 01
    Peppy cycle. very interesting. thank you very much for everything written.
  3. 0
    10 January 2017 16: 15
    At the moment, mass production of the EF 2000 Tranche 3 modification, which is distinguished by engines with traction,

    Must be with a larger one.
    BAE and not BAe
    But it’s nothing, but what I really didn’t like was the neglect of the plane in the absence of any weighty evidence base
    American cars, due to the peculiarities of the aerodynamic design of the "duck", in some cases are unable to repeat the maneuvers of the "Typhoon". However, the Soviet MiG-29 and Su-27 fighter planes raised the bar for maneuverability characteristics to a new, unattainable for Typhoon height in the mid-80s.

    No evidence is given why and why the MIG-29 or Su-27 is more maneuverable than the Typhoon. So it is considered means it should be so. The graphs of the derivative of the lift coefficient with respect to the angle of attack are not shown, for example, not just the values ​​of the angular velocities of aircraft at different speeds. Meanwhile, there is a video on the network where Rafal, the same duck created according to the scheme, won the BVB against f-22. The author also writes that Typhoon won against the F-16C / D, and this is a very maneuverable machine capable of competing with the Su-27 of the first modifications in the BVB.
    A joint European fighter would look very good in the 90s, but in the 21st century it is perceived as a “dinosaur” of a bygone era.

    Why is it a dinosaur. It is bought in the market of countries that have money to buy the latest technology. Is f-22 not a dinosaur? Let me remind you that he made his first flight at the beginning of 90 and entered service in 2005.
    Yes, of course Typhoon is not a miracle of engineering, it does not have AFAR, OBT, it is not built taking into account stealth technologies, but call it a dinosaur? No.
    1. +4
      10 January 2017 16: 46
      Quote: KKND
      There is no evidence of what and why MIG-29 or Su-27 is more maneuverable than Typhoon.

      The author is in the service, so he will answer as he will have the opportunity.
    2. +10
      10 January 2017 17: 51
      KKND. The Luftwaffe was armed with MiG-29s - do you think the Europeans did not put Typhoons with MiGs in a training battle !? I doubt it. And if the Eurofighters "beat" their opponent, then surely all their media advertised it, at least for commercial purposes. But we don't see something like that - they are silent. It is also known that at many air shows, Russian pilots offer their opponents training fights. But there are no volunteers. hi
      Thanks to the author for the articles. And I think that you should not find fault with the author's opinion - write your own and express your opinion, because no one bothers. And we will only be glad to get another opinion. If you look at the production of the MiG-29 and Eurofighter, they are almost 20 years apart. The author believes that this is a long time, so he probably called the Typhoon a dinosaur. wink
      1. 0
        10 January 2017 18: 01
        Quote: Kasym
        If you look at the release of the MiG-29 and Eurofighter in the series, then they have been separated for almost 20 years.

        I'm sorry, what? Mig-29 is 20 years younger than Eurofighter? what
        http://www.airwar.ru/enc/fighter/mig29.html
        Read a lot of interesting things there.
        Quote: Kasym
        The Luftwaffe was armed with MiG-29s - do you think the Europeans did not put Typhoons with MiGs in a training battle !? I doubt it. And if the Eurofighters "beat" their opponent, then surely all their media advertised it, at least for commercial purposes. But we don't see something like that - they are silent.

        Is this type of evidence? On TV, you can show that the MiG-21, for example, beats the f-22 and this will be almost true (in theory, in theory) laughing
        1. +2
          10 January 2017 18: 15
          Yes, it’s just that for them all Western weapons and equipment are ge ... and the Soviet / Russian one has no analogues. Questions of faith, and they cannot be persuaded.
          1. 0
            10 January 2017 18: 19
            Every sandpiper praises its swamp, so what?
            For Westerners, their planes are "unbreakable" and so on. etc.
            1. +2
              10 January 2017 18: 21
              Westerners rarely en masse record everything else in the city ...
              1. +2
                10 January 2017 18: 25
                Well it depends on what a Westerner or what a patriot
                To Sergei’s honor, he certainly cannot be called a patriot ...
        2. +4
          10 January 2017 19: 40
          I wrote that I went to the "series", i.e. I meant military exploitation. MiG-29 in 1983, but about the Typhoon in the article it is written that in 2003.
          Countryman, where I wrote about the western "ge ..." (probably th ...)? They just need to work on it, and there ... frost. With the Russian Federation, everything is clear - the collapse of the Union, the need, due to the size of the country, to have heavy Su. But what was stopping them? After all, this is the only modern, combat type of the EU aircraft (Typhoon, Rafale and Grippen - light, front-line). We have our own electronics, engines, etc. - what was in the way !? And the Germans have half their parks on the ground - well, I could be wrong, but the percentage is high, according to him. generals. Maybe I'm to blame for this, buddy? laughing ... Ask yourself - why are they worth !? They are damp, in my opinion, and the first should be modernized long ago; bring to the modern level. They had time to catch up and overtake the Russian Federation in this matter, but underfunding has led to the fact that they have. Would deal with this issue in the EU - I'm sure that others would have to sweat now, incl. USA; because everything is there. And I like Rafal, in terms of "design" it is generally gorgeous - the Typhoon is more "chopped" of some kind. Two engines - talking about reliability. I have no doubt in euroelectronics - the Russian Federation buys in that France. But in the combat aviation itself they are lagging behind: they do not make heavy and others. And not from a good life to see they turn it into a station wagon. hi
          1. 0
            10 January 2017 19: 48
            And who proved that Russian-Soviet is better than Rafal and Eurofighter? Only about hundreds shot down by the Yugoslavs of NATO aircraft, let's not. Even the Serbs themselves do not believe in these nonsense.
            1. +5
              10 January 2017 20: 17
              Compatriot, I am writing that the Germans (who themselves claimed that out of 50 training battles, only 1 lost) had MiG-29s - in the article it is. And you are in the place of the generals of the Bundeswehr, etc. wouldn't you try your cars in training battles with a potential enemy? Any sane military pilot with a great rank would have tested this hundreds of times to work out tactics. What are they? "Do not join BMB with MiG-29" - as a recommendation. Although it may be a legend. But if I were a producer of Eurofighter, etc. I would definitely tell everyone that the MiG-29 is being defeated by my "product" at the BVB. But this is not even close. Moreover, as they say grew up. pilots - they offer their "competitors" to arrange demonstration training battles at air shows - the answer is zero. My friend, what conclusion can be drawn by discarding all "addictions" to this or that aircraft and proceeding from logic? hi
              Look in the article to see what the British say about training battles with the Su-30. And now put the "small" MiG-35 with OVT there - for me "oil painting", tk. saw the work (MiG-29, 23, 21) of all three generations.
          2. +1
            10 January 2017 20: 46
            Quote: Kasym
            I wrote that I went to the "series", i.e. I meant military exploitation. MiG-29 in 1983, but about the Typhoon in the article it is written that in 2003.

            That is, 1983 is younger than 2003?
            I seem to understand your logic: such as the MiG-29 is equal to Typhoon but is 20 years older.
            So there is no evidence for this in this article. There is no data on maneuverability, no data on radar, nothing at all except the statement that the Typhoon is a "dinosaur".
            As for advertising, what prevents Europeans from shooting an ad, how does a Typhoon shoot down two MiGs with one rocket? Their exceptional honesty?
            We took off and are they shy?
            1. +6
              10 January 2017 21: 05
              Man, I had in mind that according to the LTH, the Europeans only caught up - that's all. I think that Rafal, Typhoon, Grippen and F-35 are a reaction to the appearance of the MiG-29. And naturally, because of the time difference, they have their advantages. The MiG-29 had a trace. sores, neg. side. Range, avionics, resources (that engine of 500 hours is very small, glider). But, according to the designers, and let's see with time, many problems are solved in the MiG-35. Wait and see. But RK is considering it for its Air Force.
              And the following fact pleases me. The price for the Su-30SM for Kazakhstan is 24-25 million dollars, and the MiG-35 is about 16 million (with bells and whistles even 20 million). This is the domestic price for the Russian Federation. For us it's just gorgeous. 4 fancy MiG-35s at the price of 1 Raphael - so Russia got a regular customer. Plus, the experience of operating both families = in the world, no one has such conditions. This is very pleasing, for this, many thanks to Russia and GDP personally (it would not have passed without it). hi
            2. +1
              11 January 2017 23: 16
              cartoons need to be able to shoot the same
            3. +1
              11 January 2017 23: 27
              they are not shy they have even prettier cartoons
    3. +5
      11 January 2017 07: 08
      Quote: KKND
      It is not built with stealth technology in mind, but call it a dinosaur?

      "Dinosaur" in quotation marks, if you noticed. Nevertheless, I am firmly convinced that the plane was hopelessly late and that its certain export success is associated with good strike potential. But how many can afford it at a cost of 120 million forever green? No.
      Quote: KKND
      There is no evidence of what and why MIG-29 or Su-27 is more maneuverable than Typhoon.

      I have a huge request to you, if you quote, please quote verbatim. I don’t need an alien, I would have to sort my own.
      Here is what the publication says:
      At a cost of about $ 120 million, the Typhoon Tranche 3 is not able to compete with the Russian heavy fighter Su-30MK and Su-35С, whose export price is $ 80-90 million.
  4. +4
    10 January 2017 16: 29
    However, it can be stated that the "Typhoon", created according to the technical specifications of the 4th generation fighter, was late for about 20 years despite the high-tech avionics avionics. At that time, when the decision was made to put the EF 2000 into operation, the first fifth-generation fighter, the F-5A, was already flying with might and main

    I get the impression that the technical conditions for the creation of European, in particular British, aircraft do not take into account the latest scientific achievements and the experience of the USSR and the USA. Why do I think so? Just in some publications, in particular V. Ilyin. "Bombers" are given by TU for the creation of aircraft that are already outdated. In particular, this applied to series "V" bombers, and in the book of this author "Attack aircraft and fighter-bombers" it was the same.
    The cycle is beautiful, well designed, quite drawn to a book.
  5. +4
    10 January 2017 16: 53
    The part that concerns the current state of "Tornado" and "Typhoons" in many ways resembles a reconnaissance survey in Seryozha, and I even know why.
    1. +2
      10 January 2017 17: 05
      Quote: zyablik.olga
      and I even know why

      Olga, not yet Sergey love
      And open the secret, very interesting hi
      1. +3
        10 January 2017 17: 08
        Habit is second nature, but in general he has been watching me lately.
        1. +2
          10 January 2017 17: 23
          Quote: zyablik.olga
          is watching.

          And rightly so. love hi
          Sergey, the cycle is a sea of ​​pleasure.
    2. 0
      10 January 2017 17: 28
      http://airwar.ru/other/bibl/f5ebook.html
      Here is an intelligence survey, but what Sergey writes so far will only be interesting for schoolchildren.
      1. +5
        11 January 2017 07: 12
        Quote: KKND
        Here is an intelligence survey, but what Sergey writes so far will only be interesting for schoolchildren.

        Olya hinted at satellite images, and my habit of confirming facts and events with material evidence. In particular, the presence of "Typhoons" at those air bases that are mentioned in the publication. The same goes for the last Tornado article. hi
  6. +3
    10 January 2017 18: 11
    Decent completion (there are no more joint European aggregates left, right?) Of an excellent cycle; an elegant contextual passage on "Raphael", statistics, data of a historical (already) character. The final estimates, however, were a little alarming, but a certain subjectivism is inherent in the absolute majority of authors of online and printed popular publications, so it is not a crime (and even against the background of the "sweet_XNUMX" graphomania, I confess - we read, I really like the literary syllable, and almost completely in the official you can immediately insert the printed edition).
    From SW. hi
    PS
    I was impressed by the photo that with the UAB clusters on the suspension - I wonder how it will maneuver at full load with the attendant inertial moment and drag from bombs of this caliber in case of a sudden threat? (True, not sarcasm - not an aviator even once).
    1. +4
      11 January 2017 09: 14
      Quote: Raphael_83
      I was impressed by the photo that with the UAB bunches on the suspension - I wonder how it will maneuver at full load with the attendant inertial moment and drag from bombs of this caliber in case of a sudden threat?

      Like an "iron" ... wassat But for the sake of justice it’s worth saying that as a rule they don’t fly with such a combat load. And if they fly then for short distances, and to areas where there is no risk of meeting with interceptors or air defense systems.
      1. +4
        11 January 2017 11: 25
        And if they meet with fighter interceptors, they drop everything: bombs, missiles
        on the ground, outer tanks - and as quickly as possible, otherwise - death sad
  7. +2
    10 January 2017 18: 22
    Thank you for such an interesting article.
  8. +2
    10 January 2017 20: 08
    Thanks for the series of articles. It was a pleasure to read.
    About the MRCA tender and the "victory" of the French. It is not yet a fact that it took place, because the Indians are extremely bureaucratic, and during the tender the price of raphal has grown somewhat, which accordingly did not please the Indians. The epic continues. And I think that the tender will be canceled altogether.
  9. +2
    10 January 2017 21: 26
    That is, the weight excellence of the "Frenchman" is higher


    Then we must admit that the Su-35 has this very perfection below the plinth. Although it is enough to look at the performance characteristics and it is clear that the Rafale has a larger wing than the "typhoon" will have in terms of load. Good for carrying capacity, not very good for speed. Monsters like the Su-35, on the other hand, have an absolute load that is so huge that you can think more about flight data.
  10. +2
    11 January 2017 08: 48
    Sergei! Thanks for the interesting series of articles. There will always be critics, but the question is always ready for them: what have you done? I, personally, as a person who is interested in the history of technology, was very interested to read. And there are most people like me (I'm talking about readers of your articles).
    Somehow, it is disturbing that some loafers will be ransacked and laid out on other resources without indicating that this is SERGEY LINNIK good with VO.
    1. +3
      11 January 2017 08: 57
      Quote: samoletil18
      Sergei! Thanks for the interesting series of articles. There will always be critics, but the question is always ready for them: what have you done? I, personally, as a person who is interested in the history of technology, was very interested to read. And there are most people like me (I'm talking about readers of your articles).

      Criticism (constructive) and without a transition to personality is in itself a useful thing and it is stupid to be offended by it. One way or another, but we can all be mistaken, draw the wrong conclusions, or not know something. It's okay that someone corrects you correctly or expresses his point of view!
      Not so long ago, one "hurray-patriotic" figure, wrote in a commentary that my publications were "just dirt." And after Olya entered into a skirmish with him, he complained to the administration. negative
      Quote: samoletil18
      Somehow, it is disturbing that some loafers will be pastuded and laid out on other resources without indicating that it is SERGEY LINNIK with VO.

      And God bless them, it does not bother me! No. At least someone will read and improve their educational level a little. In general, I began to write (unexpectedly for myself) after I was tired of reading delusional comments on "VO".
  11. 0
    11 January 2017 15: 49
    Retelling of publications from foreign sources about the results of dueling training air battles is no longer enough. A common drawback of this kind of reviews is the lack of numerical characteristics that allow a comparative analysis of the achieved reliability characteristics, there is no data on the life cycle cost of both the aircraft in question, and aircraft of previous generations and competing aircraft of the same generation. It should be noted that since the 1950s, the United States has implemented many programs to increase reliability and reduce overall labor costs for servicing aircraft and reduce the life cycle cost, which led to an increase in combat readiness in the US Air Force. Moreover, such programs are considered as the highest priority. Strict requirements for operational reliability and manufacturability leave an imprint on the appearance of aircraft and their flight tactical characteristics. Without this, it is difficult to understand what the outcome of a big war in the air can be.
  12. +2
    11 January 2017 22: 09
    The situation with the F-16 is repeated. While Europe is "sawing" Eurofighter (there is still no flying version with UHT and AFAR), part of Europe, including England, buys the F-35, some customers in the Middle East receive new versions of the F-16 and F- 15 silent needles. As a result, Eurofighter and Rafal are fighting for a not so large market ... this despite the fact that France's and Germany's own air forces are not growing in number, and England has purchased the F-35 ...
    1. +3
      12 January 2017 16: 19
      You're right. Eurofighter 4 ++ generation has a narrow market: in fact
      for ourselves - producer countries.
      Release in small batches. Hence the high cost of production.
      And the high price, non-competitive, as a result.
      Developed countries already want the 5th generation, while the undeveloped do not have money for Eurofighter.
      And the 5th began to design (or even release) already all, to whom laziness. Both China and Japan ...
      1. +1
        13 January 2017 00: 34
        For the Europeans, the same situation will prevent the development of the 5th generation (no customers), they will saw the platforms of Rafale and Eurofighter. No influence in the world, no customers. And here and in the European Union itself there is no influence.