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And there was information that Henry Kissinger himself volunteered to "reconcile" the United States and Russia. And even a kind of solid plan for this has developed. Well, Sir Kissinger is a secretive man and doesn’t share his plans with the press, then we read what the National Interest in the article "Stop Teasing a Bear" writes on this burning subject. What, in fact, fellow Americans offer / can offer. And then joyful squeals and squeals were heard that, say, we will be friends with “Amyrykans” houses ... As we know, “press leaks” is a classic method to test the opponent's reaction. From the press / journalists, what is the demand from them? They write, you know, everything that comes into my head ...

So: “Trump should start with Ukraine, a country of key strategic importance for Russia, but not very important for America.” . Sorry, here you are literally starting to laugh like a regimental horse. They want to start with Ukraine, homegrown strategists ... No, more three years ago, we still had some interest in this country, Putin won even a loan to Yanukovych and offered a portfolio of orders for ukroindustrii. Tell someone that was then? Long, epic and bloody story European integration of “European Europeans”.



And after three bloody years, after the massacres, the collapse of the economy and a million refugees, after open calls for the murder of Russians in Ukraine and after the murders of these Russians (we have not forgotten and not forgiven), gentlemen Americans suddenly ask themselves: is Ukraine? And do not give it to Russian podobra-goodbye? Somehow they think for a long time, by golly. Back in the 2004 year, Ukraine really had key value for the Russian Federation. She was very, very important for Putin’s plans. But it was too long ago. Since then, there have been two successful Maidan, economic ties along the Moscow-Kiev line have been severed, the relationship has been completely ruined.

Who, why and how will it all be restored? No, theoretically? At whose expense is the banquet? Russia paid billions for transferring critical industries from Ukraine and duplicating them at home. Now pay again and return everything back? What for? Why should we today need Ukraine? What can she offer interesting? The failure to supply engines hit the Russian shipbuilding program extremely painfully. Who then will make orders at Ukrainian factories? What, I'm sorry, you fool? All the guys, love is gone, wilted tomatoes ...

Moreover, because of the wrecking, pro-American position of Ukroelit, Russia was forced to spend tens of billions of dollars on the construction of pipelines around Of Ukraine. Monstrous diplomatic efforts were expended on this, and when the process is nearing completion - after a couple of years the transit through Ukraine will stop, we are offered to be friends with Kiev again. Thanks guys a little late. Brilliant Americans are going to give us Ukraine exactly when it has ceased to be necessary to us.

While there was the Crimea / Black Sea Fleet, Pipe, deliveries of knots critical for the defense industry and attempts to establish normal relations with Kiev, there was constant blackmail and constant attempts to “shit in sneakers”. And when Russia overcame its dependence on Ukraine, politics changes dramatically ... What smart guys these Americans are - they squeezed everything out of Ukraine, and now it is no longer necessary for them and they are trying to write it off balance ... No, if the conversation had gone on for years so ten years ago, it would be quite possible to agree. Now Ukraine Russia is no longer needed.

And here we must remember not only that the economy is completely destroyed there and it will take many years and hundreds of billions of euros to restore it, but also that the Ukrainian elites brought up over the past twenty years are completely Russophobic. How to work with them in Moscow? And with whom in general to work in Moscow in Ukraine? Who is there ready to follow the instructions of the Kremlin? What language should we talk? It is clear that the Russophobic party that has developed in Ukraine as a “political elite” is completely satisfied with the West. It is also clear that these people are absolutely not satisfied with Russia.

It should also be noted that over the past three years, attitudes towards Ukraine and Ukrainians in Russia abruptly worsened, in fact today, Ukrainians from “theirs” have finally turned into “hostile aliens” as a result of frank, targeted aggression on their part towards the Russians. By the way, this (setting Ukrainians against Russians) was done quite deliberately by Ukrainian and Western politicians. And then suddenly such a turn ...

In short, this is all late, meaningless and useless. Forget, just forget. While Ukraine was somehow interested in Russia, the West “fought” for it. When the interest wanes, they make us a "royal proposal." No, thanks. We’ll better stand on foot.

“Secondly, the president-elect must assure Russia that the West does not claim to Ukraine, Georgia, Moldova and Belarus — and, for that matter, to any other countries with Orthodox Christian tradition ...” Interesting, insanely interesting. So, the list of Orthodox countries: Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, Moldova, Georgia, Romania, Bulgaria, Macedonia, Serbia, Montenegro, Greece, Cyprus. And what, just a royal proposal, just breathtaking. I understand that Greece, Bulgaria and Romania will have to be excluded from NATO / EU for this? Or how? Or they will remain in the EU / NATO, but at the same time like will be listed in the Russian sphere of influence? No, about any countries with Orthodox tradition, it is not me who is writing, it is Americans from the "National Interest" who are writing.

So how are we going to include Romania in Russian World? Who has any ideas? Russophobic country, tightly integrated into European structures. Of course, I really like scientific, near-scientific and political fiction, but not so much. And even Bulgaria is a country with a collapsed economy and an endangered population. And Russophobic elites focused on serving the West. No, not interesting, thanks. And technically, what is it like? A telegram arrives in Sofia from Washington that you are no longer in the EU or in NATO (we sold / exchanged you for greyhounds puppies)? And what are all the questions now to Putin? Funny, huh?

Does Montenegro seem to be dragged into that very NATO organization with a scandal (right now)? So what? Even a small Montenegro. For Georgia, the question is as if closed tightly. The war was between the "brotherly Orthodox nations." Thanks to the Americans, by the way, was. Relations between Russia and Georgia are spoiled for generations to come. After the attack on peacekeepers in South Ossetia, many Russians do not count Georgians among their friends. Orthodox brothers, they are ... Orthodox. Georgia in the Russian sphere of influence? Funny.

On claims by Belarus from the West - if there is such a person as Putin in the Kremlin - then it is possible to play up to nuclear strikes. So do not. Just forget about Minsk. Why do you need a personal dosimeter for everyone? By the way, he was always interested in how blacks transfer radiation - is it worse or better than whites? Full-scale tests will be conducted? Or theoretical calculations we restrict ourselves?

Greece and Cyprus in the Russian zone of influence is just a fairy tale! In all respects, a fairy tale for young children, and we are adults. It seems that the author does not fully understand which countries are Orthodox.

"Third", about Assad, but it is banal and uninteresting and sucked many times (the enemy is LIH, not Assad). Well, here somehow a little late to go on “concessions” - Russia “pulled out a war”. Interesting, yes? Both with Ukraine and with Syria, if the continuation of the conflict of bonuses the United States no longer carries, then yes, they are ready to make "concessions". But not a second before.

But the “fourth” is already interesting: "Through a diplomatic campaign aimed at dispelling Russia's indignation and fears over the expansion of the Western alliance to the east, the United States should try to dissuade Russia from the need to get too close to China ..." This is already interesting, this is already very interesting. "Strong relations between Russia and China are contrary to the interests of America." That's it, Mikhalych, and the men didn’t know ...

This is exactly what else under Yeltsin (!) Began to engage in at the end of 90, turning to China. The air rout of Yugoslavia put an end to the history of the “friendship” of Russia and the West. And when the main part of the work on creating the Russian-Chinese alliance was done, in Washington, someone finally sobered up from unprecedented imperial greatness. The alliance of Russia and China contradicts ... well, yes, it contradicts. Putin, by the way, at first actively tried to work with the West, they did not hear him, did not want to hear. Even the legendary “Munich speech” sounded wasted. And so now... When it turned out that "China is the country that has the greatest potential to challenge America’s role in the world, pushing it out of Asia." Then im suddenly Russia was required.

That is, after 25 years celebrating the victory in the Cold War, it suddenly turns out that "It would be extremely unwise and even rash on the part of America to have hostile relations with Russia too." "And in the morning they woke up ..."

The trouble with the United States is that categorically nothing to offer Russia. This should have been thought much earlier. In Georgia and Ukraine, questions were closed during tough military conflicts. To offer these countries to Russia today is somewhat tactless, it had to be done a couple of moves back. Suggest Romania (EU / NATO member) is somewhat strange, to say the least. We already have the Crimea, Donbass is talking to lovers of European integration with artillery language.

The article emphasizes that the West should be ready for war for “the Baltic countries”. It would be possible to dwell on this, since the membership of these states bordering on Russia in NATO means a constant factor of tension.

In general, from the point of view of the author, the membership of Estonia / Latvia / Lithuania in NATO is a huge plus for Russian policy in the sense that it completely excludes the possibility of a compromise with the West. As long as NATO troops are in the Baltic states, there will never be friendship (and even neutrality) between Russia and NATO, and pro-Western politicians will not be at the helm of Russia either. This is about how Hitler captured the Channel Islands. He could not get out of there for reasons of prestige, but the fact of the occupation of British territory ...

So, NATO will not leave the Baltics, so all conversations "for friendship" with the West will end in nothing.

In general, at first glance, Russia’s article offers a lot, just a bunch of concessions. When you start to disassemble and analyze this very "bunch", then your surprise will not be limits (this is how to disassemble the bag of a homeless). There is either what we already have (like the Crimea), or what we don’t need for nothing (like Ukraine / Georgia), or what will be extremely difficult to transfer, like the Orthodox NATO countries ... or the same Georgia / Ukraine, who hate us. Gentlemen you really what do you offer? Nothing? Do you need to quarrel with China in return? An interesting offer, very interesting. Just exciting. Explicitly calculated on clinical idiots.

“So, diplomacy should be given a chance” - this is how the article ends. I agree, the chance of diplomacy had to be given. But I had to give it much earlier. Somewhere at the end of 90's. But who then was interested in Russia? And even in the middle of 0's. And in the morning they woke up: the revival of Russia, the rise of China, their union ... And they begin to offer something. If anything, then Obama also started with a "reset" of relations. And how did it all end? The Americans could not “climb” to Ukraine. As a result, there are fragments from Ukraine, from Russian-American relations too.

Now what will we discuss? Russian sovereignty over the Kuban? It’s about how: for an offensive, one arrangement of troops is needed, for defense, it is somewhat different. So, the NATO / EU configuration is ideal for an offensive against Russia, for “friendship” ... Already in the times of the “Obama reset”, veterans of the American special services said that reaching a compromise is possible only on the basis of the “spheres of influence” section. Well, where is our area? Cut it to me! Romanian gypsies, mind you, do not offer!

Since 2009, the situation has only worsened. Then the Americans still had a chance to “give up Ukraine”, today there is no such chance: in the Donbass many years have been fierce battles, there is mutual hatred between Russians and Ukrainians, no one in Russia is going to “feed Bandera”. With Georgia, the question was tightly closed to Obama. The Baltic States are a never-ending conflict zone. True, the author of the cited article seriously recommends that the Balkan countries of NATO, seen in Orthodoxy (or simply do not know who is Orthodox in Europe), should be transferred to Putin’s balance ... War and Germans.

So there is at least one Kissinger, at least a dozen: US there is nothing offer Russia. Such a nonsense turned out: our globe is over.

And about Ukraine, they write well: “In this country there was a tragic split, as a result of which Ukraine was divided into West-oriented residents of the western regions and ethnic Russians in the eastern regions. Russia has been able to cope with this delicate situation for several decades - let it remain so. ” "Robyaty", you know what year in the yard? What is the millennium in the yard? And what's going on in Ukraine?

It seems that they are analyzing the situation in Eastern Europe almost the end of the 90-s. And make us interesting offers. That's just just the Americans did not suffer in principle "bagatovectornost." They worked, the interests of Russia without taking into account categorically. And as we all understand - they are from Bulgaria, Croatia ... They have swept under Eastern Europe. Sealed. And then suddenly something should be offered to Russia. Something serious, and the circus begins.

Already from the very American “analysis” it becomes absolutely clear that even the “kindest American toad” cannot offer us anything.

Take everything ... take everything ... three dried limitromof ... nothing is pitiful.

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  1. +15
    9 January 2017 06: 12
    Already from the very American "analysis" it becomes absolutely clear that even the "kindest American toad" can not offer us anything

    All this is so or almost so. But the "elite" of the Russian Federation is asleep and sees how to come to an agreement with mattresses, even at the cost of national interests.
    1. +19
      9 January 2017 07: 14
      "elite" The Russian Federation sleeps and sees how it will agree with mattresses, even at the cost of national interests.

      Correctly quoted this definition. This is not the elite, but the national traitors who at one time seized a bold slice of the so-called privatization. They need Russia as a territory for pumping out resources and outright robbery. Therefore, they are indifferent to the country, the main thing is money, and for this you can conspire with the crafty himself.
      1. +3
        9 January 2017 08: 30
        Quote: rotmistr60
        . This is not the elite, but the national traitors who at one time seized a bold slice of the so-called

        The other day I watched an interesting video, the truth about Ukraine, and something else. I think this is part of us. I don’t quite agree there, it seems to me that it smells like alarmism, but the core is the one that many people think but don’t always voice.
    2. +11
      9 January 2017 07: 43
      Quote: populist
      even at the cost of national interests.

      I remember Taras Bulba killed his youngest son with the words "What I gave birth to, so I will kill!" We ourselves gave birth to modern Ukraine by our humiliation in front of American rags and greed. If we throw in trouble or chop off our sons and brothers, we will die alone, owning the best piece of land on the planet. We got it from our ancestors, who watered every piece of it with their blood.
      1. +12
        9 January 2017 07: 57
        Quote: cunning
        I remember Taras Bulba killed his youngest son with the words "I’ll kill you with what gave birth to you!"

        - cool good
        - knowledge of school literature ... well, just going through the roof
        - Thank you, I neighing with pleasure laughing
        1. +4
          9 January 2017 08: 03
          Quote: Cat Man Null
          - knowledge of school literature ... well, just going through the roof
          - Thank you, I neighing with pleasure

          You need to know the classic Russian anecdote, then you won't have to pretend to be a "cool dude". ("cool dude - this is from Heinlein.) And in general tovarischishch, fuck off .... otherwise it stuck like a bath sheet to .... well, you yourself understood.
          1. +5
            9 January 2017 08: 19
            Quote: cunning
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            - knowledge of school literature ... well, just going through the roof
            - Thank you, I neighing with pleasure

            You need to know the classic Russian anecdote, then you won't have to pretend to be a "cool dude". ("cool dude - this is from Heinlein.) And in general tovarischishch, fuck off .... otherwise it stuck like a bath sheet to .... well, you yourself understood.

            Well, yes, yes ...
            I froze it and now you are trying to throw a cool ointment "there is such an anecdote"
            Gee-gee. :)
            1. +5
              9 January 2017 08: 42
              Quote: Pulya
              Gee-gee. :)

              For the younger generation who is interested in the past of their great Motherland, I am telling an anecdote (anecdote from 45 to 50 years old). "Taras Bulba shouting" What I gave birth to, the more I will kill you! ", Moved two meters away and killed Andriy."
              1. +1
                9 January 2017 09: 44
                Quote: cunning
                ... moved two meters away and killed Andriy. "

                ... two "meters" is the length of a "gun"?
                ... caramult? In a simple way - "black shooter" ...
          2. +3
            9 January 2017 08: 22
            Quote: cunning
            You need to know the classics of a Russian joke

            - that's for sure laughing
            - only a joke is still RUSSIAN Yes
            Quote: cunning
            like a bath sheet

            - which one is "trembling"? (c) Strugatsky, "Attempt to Escape"
            Quote: cunning
            Comrade, fuck off ..

            - Tambov Wolf You "tovarisch". He, too, that ... ultra-patriot, without reference to existing realities. By the way, something has not been seen on the site for a long time ...

            Dumped off stop
          3. +7
            9 January 2017 09: 34
            Quote: cunning
            You need to know the classic Russian anecdote, then you don't have to pretend to be a "cool dude". ("cool dude is from Heinlein).

            Not from Heinlein - this is from a Heinlein translator. And dude is an abbreviation. appeared for the first time among the dudes of the 50s - 60s - “a man respecting high American culture”! Although what high culture is there? what
            1. +9
              9 January 2017 10: 33
              Quote: andj61
              Although what high culture is there?

              If American culture is equated with the concepts of "kitsch, hit, pop art, psychedelicism, fanz, happening", then there is nothing to be proud of. But if it is D. London, Bret Garth, Oh Henry, Dina Durbin, Glen Miller, Steven Spielberg, Isaac Asimov, then this is a high human culture.
              1. +1
                9 January 2017 10: 49
                Quote: cunning
                If American culture is equated with the concepts of "kitsch, hit, pop art, psychedelicism, fanz, happening", then there is nothing to be proud of. But if it is D. London, Bret Garth, Oh Henry, Dina Durbin, Glen Miller, Steven Spielberg, Isaac Asimov, then this is a high human culture.

                I wrote - and about the dude, among whom this word was born. But they did not worship a high culture at all. Although, it should be recognized that certain elements of culture were there - E. Presley, for example.
                1. +2
                  9 January 2017 11: 03
                  Quote: andj61
                  E. Presley, for example.

                  Typical pop art, our Pugachev sample, so to speak, a Russified version.
      2. +4
        9 January 2017 12: 13
        Quote: cunning
        We ourselves have created modern Ukraine with our humiliation before American rags and greed.

        And now go to the border with Ukraine, get on your knees and repent!!!! Blame for everything that happened and will happen!!! YOU may be to blame. And I do not consider myself guilty. Since childhood, I like to read books, preferably smart ones, and not try to pick out all sorts of fabrications from my nose. Well, remind me, when did these "brothers", not being connected with us by the same head, help us? Only, for God's sake, do not remember the 41st, it's a completely different story ... Read on. "... When wisdom enters your heart, and knowledge is pleasing to your soul, then prudence will protect you, reason will protect you ...."
        1. +2
          9 January 2017 13: 16
          Quote: ARES623
          Since childhood, I like to read books, preferably smart ones, and not try to pick out all sorts of inventions from my nose.

          And rightly so, you don’t pick your nose, I approve. But smart books in nature do not exist. The mind is allowed to have only living beings. But Reason is not given to everyone who has a mind. But here is what characteristically reasonable people sometimes pick at their noses, and I don’t even know what to do about it.
    3. 0
      9 January 2017 09: 55
      But the "elite" of the Russian Federation sleeps and sees, as it were


      Comrad, here, especially for you, the link gave to his own article (Articles from this series:)
      Why it is impossible to buy the Russian elite
  2. +2
    9 January 2017 06: 20
    No, three years ago we still had some kind of interest in this country, Putin won’t even offer a loan to Yanukovych a portfolio of orders for the "Ukrainian industry".

    We are waiting for the collapse. Western and eastern regions can go along historical trajectories, but the center will remain on its own, no one needs the center. So it will be an independent state. It is a pity, but no one needs Ukraine in its current form, no one has money for it.
    1. +3
      9 January 2017 06: 49
      Quote: ImPerts
      We are waiting for the collapse.

      There will be no disintegration, I cannot justify, there is a problem, I can only say the words "Meehan-Starper" (by the way, he is not there yet belay ? and then again in the liberalists will write lol ) from the heart goes smile In general, IMHO.
      1. +3
        9 January 2017 07: 23
        Quote: midivan
        There will be no decay

        In 2018, it will become visible.
        1. +2
          9 January 2017 19: 24
          Quote: ImPerts
          Quote: midivan
          There will be no decay

          In 2018, it will become visible.

          In 2019, it will become clear
          It will be too late in 2020
          Wangem, my friend? wink
      2. +1
        9 January 2017 11: 13
        Quote: midivan
        There will be no decay, I can’t substantiate, there’s a problem, I can only say with the words "Meehan-Starper" (by the way, he’s not belay yet? Or else he will write it back to the liberals lol).

        what Most likely, the local kings will muddy the waters due to the fall in living standards, the disintegration will allow to write off part of the debts or hang on to others. Only these gifts in the form of a "killed" economy and millions of dependents are not needed by anyone. To give them to us - to sell them now is probably a new dream of the CIA and the American elite, such a stone on the neck can not drag a single country under water.
        1. 0
          9 January 2017 11: 34
          Only these gifts in the form of a "killed" economy and millions of dependents are not needed by anyone. To give them to us - to sell them now is probably the new dream of the CIA and the American elite


          Like that ... "Super Prize Ukraine"
      3. +1
        9 January 2017 13: 20
        Quote: midivan
        There will be no decay, I can’t justify

        I can try. The collapse will be when the zapadentsev really squeezes. And this is still very far away. So far, Ukraine is yelling at the fact that it has been pinched by feeding fat. Years of oil and gas freebie, decades of gratuitous Russian loans, concessions and preferences are far from being consumed. Utility payments have just risen to the amounts that we have been paying in Russia for a long time.
        The country will disintegrate with great grief and powerful defeat, and not when baked grouse disappeared from the table. Although the clamp of delicacies is terribly painful, of course. Direct pity overwhelms me ...
        1. 0
          9 January 2017 17: 25
          The country will disintegrate with great grief and powerful defeat, and not when baked grouse disappeared from the table.


          You very poorly know widespread Ukrainians: they will suffer any defeat on the battlefield or any humiliation of their "state", but the absence of hazel grouses ...

          They don’t judge people by themselves: Ukrainians are not Russians (the system of values ​​is different, that’s the difference)
          1. 0
            9 January 2017 19: 31
            So I do not say that they are happy. But serious buzy will not raise. Although ... you are right, I do not know enough about the current situation and the mentality of this whole swara to think well. It’s not for the Internet military to judge.
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  3. +4
    9 January 2017 06: 45
    Regarding Ukraine, I completely disagree with the author, there is always a way out! Firstly!
    [/ quote] So: “Trump should start with Ukraine - a country that has key strategic importance for Russia, but is not too important for America.” [quote]
    Based on this, suppose that Trump is ready to forget about Ukraine for the sake of relations and the need for it is like a fifth leg to him like a hare, I might look silly but I'm convinced that friendship is more beneficial to us and Americans at times and I really don’t understand why those nits constantly stir up water and don’t want to live together, even on Mars apple seedlings would take root if they hadn’t opposed each other for so long. Trump’s first move would be ideal (in my opinion) to plant a rabbit egg for life (I choose Gvantanam laughing , forgive my bloodthirstiness), then the "gunpowder" should dampen up in the "sailor" (a quiet place not connected to the sea located in Moscow), business and smart oligarchs like Akhmetov, svidomye, Bendera and other trash to restore the devastation of them there and if you take the well-known method "five-year plan in two years, but not out of conviction, but by compulsion" it will not take much time, put people looking askance at the TV and explain that they were simply mistaken in assessing events, and who did not understand for restoration, and the whole business is under full state control (which we would not be bad), who will be able to control and even honest ones, there would be a desire.
    1. TNT
      +5
      9 January 2017 06: 59
      Quote: midivan
      Based on this, suppose that Trump is ready to forget about Ukraine for the sake of relations

      And what can Russia give America that Trump would lift and lift sanctions like that?
      Or do you think that he will do it for the beautiful eyes of Zakharova?
      Russia needs the lifting of sanctions - this is for sure and no matter how someone flapping their wings and shouting - More sanctions - everyone wants to cancel them, including Putin. To establish relations with the USA is the desire of the entire ruling elite of the Russian Federation and Putin as well.
      A contract is a compromise.
      Trammeu has something to offer, what is there to offer Putin - so that a compromise could come to terms?
      What is he willing to give up?
      Or how ?
      Quote: midivan
      Trump's first move would be ideal (in my opinion) to plant a rabbit egg for life (I choose Gvantanam, forgive my bloodthirsty)

      And after all, adults like people, but they believe in some kind of fairy tales laughing
      Quote: midivan
      and the whole business under full state control (which we wouldn’t feel bad), there would be a desire for someone to control, even honest ones.

      Is this all Trump has to do?
      Better yet, catch Pike and ---- at the pike's command - at my will laughing laughing
      1. +4
        9 January 2017 07: 59
        Trump has something to offer, what is there to offer Putin - so that a compromise could come together?
        It is necessary to offer only after the voluntary fulfillment of ALL obligations assumed earlier. For example, not NATO's eastward expansion, the voluntary abandonment of missile defense by the United States unilaterally, the real destruction of the "return potential" in the form of stages of ballistic missiles under the START treaties, etc.
        Yes, Trump has something to offer, but he is not able to do it. There will be so many stinks that he alone will suffocate ...
        1. 0
          9 January 2017 10: 09
          It is only necessary to propose it after the voluntary fulfillment of ALL previously undertaken obligations. For example, not NATO’s eastward expansion, the voluntary abandonment of missile defense from which the United States unilaterally withdrawn,


          Well, rather, based on the foregoing, Americans should make a number of unilateral concessions ...
          That's just which? request
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      2. +6
        9 January 2017 07: 59
        Quote: TNT
        Quote: midivan
        Based on this, suppose that Trump is ready to forget about Ukraine for the sake of relations

        And what can Russia give America that Trump would lift and lift sanctions like that?
        Or do you think that he will do it for the beautiful eyes of Zakharova?
        Russia needs the lifting of sanctions - this is for sure and no matter how someone flapping their wings and shouting - More sanctions - everyone wants to cancel them, including Putin. To establish relations with the USA is the desire of the entire ruling elite of the Russian Federation and Putin as well.
        A contract is a compromise.
        Trammeu has something to offer, what is there to offer Putin - so that a compromise could come to terms?
        What is he willing to give up?
        Or how ?
        Quote: midivan
        Trump's first move would be ideal (in my opinion) to plant a rabbit egg for life (I choose Gvantanam, forgive my bloodthirsty)

        And after all, adults like people, but they believe in some kind of fairy tales laughing
        Quote: midivan
        and the whole business under full state control (which we wouldn’t feel bad), there would be a desire for someone to control, even honest ones.

        Is this all Trump has to do?
        Better yet, catch Pike and ---- at the pike's command - at my will laughing laughing




        So we have to offer something to the United States ????
        Ay ya yay ....
        So Russia overlaid the states with its bases, conducts color revolutions in the neighboring countries of Matrasia, splashes out a sea of ​​lies and dirt in the media to the United States ....
        Hold on dear!
        1. +4
          9 January 2017 09: 29
          Quote: Pulya
          Hold on dear!

          It won’t go away - for Israel is always at the beck and call of the United States in its region, and all of Israel’s policy is built only with the tacit consent of the United States, even if it is to the detriment of all neighboring countries. And to rely on the fact that the Israeli will be on the side of the opponents of the United States is simply reckless lol
        2. AUL
          +3
          9 January 2017 14: 42
          So we have to offer something to the United States ????
          Ay ya yay ....
          So Russia overlaid the states with its bases, conducts color revolutions in the neighboring countries of Matrasia, splashes out a sea of ​​lies and dirt in the media to the United States ....

          No, this is not Russia, this is the states! AND WHAT?! And why would they suddenly begin to clean up bases, missile defense in Europe, stop pouring slop on us, etc.? Conscience wake up, or what? laughing They do what is beneficial to them, and do not bother with ethical issues!
          Trump, I admit, is a good guy, perhaps he also treats us with sympathy. But he is, firstly, an American president, and secondly, a businessman and pragmatist. And he will do what is beneficial, first of all, to the states. Will it be profitable for them to have an economically and militarily strong Russia? Why should they be a competitor on the world stage, they and China are already in this regard, like a boil on "below the waist"! Therefore, they will not remove any pressure from us for nothing, they will have to pay for everything. How and what - it will be seen, but, for now, they will have more trump cards than ours. So Lavrov will have a lot of work.
          And Trump will most likely score in Ukraine - there are only losses from it, a lot of screeching, and little wool. Yes, and Europe, she did not rest, played and quit, tired.
      3. +1
        9 January 2017 08: 00
        Quote: TNT
        Quote: midivan
        Based on this, suppose that Trump is ready to forget about Ukraine for the sake of relations

        And what can Russia give America that Trump would lift and lift sanctions like that?
        Or do you think that he will do it for the beautiful eyes of Zakharova?
        Russia needs the lifting of sanctions - this is for sure and no matter how someone flapping their wings and shouting - More sanctions - everyone wants to cancel them, including Putin. To establish relations with the USA is the desire of the entire ruling elite of the Russian Federation and Putin as well.
        A contract is a compromise.
        Trammeu has something to offer, what is there to offer Putin - so that a compromise could come to terms?
        What is he willing to give up?
        Or how ?
        Quote: midivan
        Trump's first move would be ideal (in my opinion) to plant a rabbit egg for life (I choose Gvantanam, forgive my bloodthirsty)

        And after all, adults like people, but they believe in some kind of fairy tales laughing
        Quote: midivan
        and the whole business under full state control (which we wouldn’t feel bad), there would be a desire for someone to control, even honest ones.

        Is this all Trump has to do?
        Better yet, catch Pike and ---- at the pike's command - at my will laughing laughing




        So we have to offer something to the United States ????
        Ay ya yay ....
        So Russia overlaid the states with its bases, conducts color revolutions in neighboring countries, splashes out a sea of ​​lies and dirt in the media to the United States ....
        Hold on dearly you are ours!
        1. TNT
          0
          9 January 2017 08: 04
          Quote: Pulya
          So we have to offer something to the United States ????
          Ay ya yay ....

          No . they themselves will offer something to Europe. that would remove the sanctions. belay
          Quote: Pulya
          So Russia overlaid the states with its bases, conducts color revolutions in neighboring countries, splashes out a sea of ​​lies and dirt in the media to the United States ....

          and?
      4. 0
        9 January 2017 08: 01
        So we have to offer something to the United States ????
        Ay ya yay ....
        So Russia overlaid the states with its bases, conducts color revolutions in neighboring countries, splashes out a sea of ​​lies and dirt in the media to the United States ....
        Hold on dearly you are ours!
      5. +1
        9 January 2017 08: 28
        Quote: TNT
        And what can Russia give America that Trump would lift and lift sanctions like that?

        Rocket engine (1 pc), will it suit you? wink
        Quote: TNT
        What is there to offer Putin-so that a compromise could be reached?

        How do you like the offer from Ukraine? not a bad compromise right? we are already used to sanctions.
        [/ quote] [quote = TNT] Is this all Trump has to do?

        look at the answer to the proposal, Trump doesn’t have to do anything, just topple over, we can do without him wink PS and Zakharova’s eyes are not so beautiful, and in general she’s not my type wink
        1. TNT
          +1
          9 January 2017 08: 32
          Quote: midivan
          Rocket engine (1 pc), will it suit you?

          The main thing that would suit Trump
          Quote: midivan
          How do you like the offer from Ukraine? not a bad compromise right? we are already used to sanctions.

          In fact, checkmate is forbidden on the site
          and if you’re used to sanctions - so why bred cheese?
          1. +1
            9 January 2017 08: 41
            Quote: TNT
            In fact, checkmate is forbidden on the site

            There is a complaint button if that wink
            Quote: TNT
            and if you’re used to sanctions - so why bred cheese

            you did not catch a key sentence or intentionally pretend to be a felt boot? I repeat, I am convinced that friendship is more profitable at times for both us and the Americans and I sincerely do not understand why those nits constantly stir up water and do not want to live together, apple tree seedlings would have taken root if they had not stood against each other for so long. smile unfortunately it’s time for me to go to work, I can’t devote more time to you and talk about friendship and mutual benefit, when at least they do not shit each other. drinks
            1. +2
              9 January 2017 09: 31
              Reading TNT's comments, I cannot get rid of the feeling that this is the reincarnation of either the "Professor" or the bat, which something is not visible.
      6. +1
        9 January 2017 09: 41
        Quote: TNT
        And what can Russia give America that Trump would lift and lift sanctions like that?
        Or do you think that he will do it for the beautiful eyes of Zakharova?
        Russia needs the lifting of sanctions - this is for sure and no matter how someone flapping their wings and shouting - More sanctions - everyone wants to cancel them, including Putin. To establish relations with the USA is the desire of the entire ruling elite of the Russian Federation and Putin as well.
        A contract is a compromise.
        Trammeu has something to offer, what is there to offer Putin - so that a compromise could come to terms?
        What is he willing to give up?

        Readiness to negotiate with Trump on simple "little things" - Syria, Muslim extremists, Europe, etc. And the readiness to take into account the interests of the United States, and to agree on joint actions. And sanctions are a secondary issue. Among all the sanctions, only one is important for Russia - the admission of Russian legal entities to "long" loans. And even then, in three years and without it, they have adapted to live. In addition, Trump has a desire to move Russia away from China, and for this he will not be afraid to cancel the sanctions as a gesture of goodwill.
        However, it is not a fact that Europe will immediately lift the sanctions after the United States. And Europe is much more important for the Russian economy.
        1. +3
          9 January 2017 09: 47
          In addition, Trump has a desire to push Russia away from China, and for the sake of this, he will not be afraid to cancel sanctions as a gesture of goodwill


          Generally not comparable! Sanctions and friendship with China.
          They can return sanctions tomorrow.
          Russian politicians have long said that sanctions are not a bargain.
          You entered - you and cancel ...
          1. +1
            9 January 2017 10: 05
            This will show (or not) the greatness of the Russian leadership or will simply be leaders
          2. 0
            9 January 2017 10: 05
            This will show (or not) the greatness of the Russian leadership or will simply be leaders
          3. 0
            9 January 2017 10: 06
            This will show (or not) the greatness of the Russian leadership or will simply be leaders
      7. 0
        9 January 2017 09: 59
        Quote: TNT
        And what can Russia give America ...?
        Russia needs the lifting of sanctions - this is for sure and no matter how someone flapping their wings and shouting - More sanctions - everyone wants to cancel them, including Putin. To establish relations with the USA is the desire of the entire ruling elite of the Russian Federation and Putin as well.

        Bad listen - at least the same Putin!
        US "sanctions" - who needs them? Who is bad for them? Yes, nobody! Even the USA does not suffer from them ... But the European sanctions - adopted and ratified by the European "handles" twisted by the Americans - these are real damages and harm, both to Russia and Europe!
        ---------------------
        So - everything revolves around the US hegemony in world politics and economics! And her, this "hegemony" - in fact, is no longer there ... China and its comrades still have a little fuss - and ...
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    4. +1
      9 January 2017 07: 38
      Chubais, Chubais forgot !!!
  4. +5
    9 January 2017 07: 26
    we Baltic states and for nothing is not necessary. The parasites ... but on the account of ALYASOCHKA ... we should consider it ... we would have the Intercontinental bridge ... let’s reach Washington GORLA, with one throw.
    And so we need to bring ourselves in order today .. not to parasites ...
    1. +2
      9 January 2017 08: 20
      Who do you need? Chinese? Indians? Venezuelans?

      They are all with Russia while they are profitable ... (to cut the resources of Russia)
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  6. +1
    9 January 2017 08: 02
    TNT
    So we have to offer something to the United States ????
    Ay ya yay ....
    So Russia overlaid the states with its bases, conducts color revolutions in neighboring countries, splashes out a sea of ​​lies and dirt in the media to the United States ....
    Hold on dearly you are ours!
  7. +2
    9 January 2017 08: 17
    I got tired of reading the mantras: "We don't need Ukraine." Need not? Be consistent - well, at least don't write about the unfortunate country, declining in every way. Otherwise, half of the article about Ukraine is "unnecessary".

    But in general - stupidity is written. After all, the stormy harvest of recent years - these are the crops diligently scattered over the course of 20 years. It is foolish to be offended that a weed has grown on the field if you do not plow it. And all the more stupid to refuse because of this to cultivate the field in the future.
    1. +2
      9 January 2017 09: 29
      I got tired of reading the mantras: "We don't need Ukraine." Need not? Be consistent - well, at least don't write about the unfortunate country, declining in every way. Otherwise, half of the article about Ukraine is "unnecessary".


      It is a Americans from National Interest offer Trump to start with Ukraine ...
      What do we have to do with it?
      Possible Options America May Offer
      1. AUL
        +1
        9 January 2017 15: 04
        In the state that Ukraine has now slipped into, nobody really needs us either! Industry collapsed. Agricultural in the pen. Political mess and instability. The population brought up in hatred of Russia. What for us such a present? No need, even if they pay extra! Because the restoration of the country will lie on our neck, and the hips will still be covering us. Swam, we know!
        So, IrbenWolf, if you need it - take it, use it!
        1. 0
          9 January 2017 23: 28
          I would take it, but they will not ask me.
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  8. 0
    9 January 2017 08: 51
    Actually what problems?
    We can and must take our and take, but now the West must pay dearly for it. Either by the blood and lives of thousands of our citizens, or by indemnity, for the fact that we will spare them and will not kill.
    Only at first we will force the blood-blooded geyropu, the vile islet and America, for the cattle on our outskirts, we will make us repent and ask for mercy, and then we will take everything for a large and worthy reward.
    1. +3
      9 January 2017 09: 38
      We can and must take our and take, but now the West must pay dearly for it. Either by the blood and lives of thousands of their citizens, or by indemnity,


      What a bloodthirsty you are ...
      I would somehow prefer a bloodless version of the redistribution of the boundaries of spheres of influence (if possible).
      1. 0
        9 January 2017 10: 23
        Quote: Olezhek
        We can and must take our and take, but now the West must pay dearly for it. Either by the blood and lives of thousands of their citizens, or by indemnity,


        What a bloodthirsty you are ....

        ... television hehe ... e!
        In the New Year holidays - and there was nothing to see! if only the old stuff was twisted ...
        ---------------
        Here for the "old stuff" and I climbed into the Internet ... there is all kinds of variety - Western European ... 60s ... 80s .. As much as you want - look, listen, download ...
        ... And here's what is interesting - in passing, by chance, offhand! "Colored" gay - lesbian - pedo - ... and all that: - magnificently and finally, irrevocably flourished in Western Europe in the early 60's! Clips - and the audience shows! girls lick with girls ... guys with guys ... all sorts of wurst konchita ... kids paw ... sit them on their knees so it's unambiguous ...
        ...That was a long time ago! and yes - a-ah-leco went !!! So, by the way ...
    2. +4
      9 January 2017 13: 15
      Quote: Volzhanin
      Only first, we will force the blood-blooded geyropu, the vile islet and America, for cattle on our outskirts, we will make us repent and ask for mercy, and then we will take everything for a large and worthy reward

      "Ay, pug! Know she is strong,
      What barks at the Elephant! "
      You first ensure the life of Abramovich not in London but in Moscow, ensure that the daughters of the Lavrov-Peskovs and other Putin's daughters will study at Moscow State University, not Oxford. Ensure that the daughter of the platinum "king" of Russia does not declare - "Everywhere is better than in Russia."
      At this very moment when you are here amusing the venerable audience, real boys (from the Azerbaijan mafia) are sharing money for the production of Hawthorn, and their curators fly to Miami and laugh at people like you.
  9. +3
    9 January 2017 09: 16
    The author is right.
    Nothing to offer. Rather, Russia has its own national interests. And they are limited by the security of the country. And the United States interests extend to the entire globe and near-Earth space. So it is spelled out. This is not what I came up with.
    Abandonment of missile defense, demilitarization of Eastern Europe, cessation of support for fascist regimes in Ukraine, Syria, and the Baltic states.
    Sanctions are irrelevant. They can leave if you like.
    But this is precisely what the States cannot do.
    Big debate in Ukraine? Partitioning this country is disadvantageous. It will remain within the existing borders and will build a normal economy for a long, very long time. Under the leadership of Yanukovych and Azarov.
  10. +7
    9 January 2017 09: 54
    Personally, I believe that the United States is a non-negotiable state Yes Proven by history winked False and hypocritical policies led to the fact that they drove themselves into a corner and now almost everyone sees what the words of America are worth request
  11. 0
    9 January 2017 10: 01
    Apparently, the main one is not sitting in the Kremlin, but in the locker rooms of the main UAZ conveyor.
    As the cleaning lady "Aunt Rosa Galeeva" says, so it will be. Kissinger is not familiar with her. And the journalist is the same.
    And it’s time to get acquainted with Khokhlov. The cleaning lady quickly drives the hard workers to the machine, when in a hurry home - to feed the children. And Ukrainians educate. Teaches life.
  12. +4
    9 January 2017 10: 17
    This Henry already helped to solve one housing problem - the Soviet one. So what? Apparently, this did not add to the Kremlin’s mind, not to mention the liberals in power and in the opposition.
  13. +8
    9 January 2017 11: 54
    And I am for tougher sanctions, for the arrest of the accounts of our "elite" abroad, the selection of all real estate (you can’t give it back), and then we will all see our democrats at their best.
  14. +1
    9 January 2017 12: 01
    Russia has managed to cope with this delicate situation for several decades - let it all remain so
    Pay suckers ... pay ....
  15. +3
    9 January 2017 13: 23
    They want to start from Ukraine, homegrown strategists ... No, three years ago we still had some interest in this country,

    Russia’s interest in Ukraine will always remain, because is a common border, etc. Therefore, the need for a pro-Russian government in Ukraine will also always remain.
  16. +6
    9 January 2017 13: 29
    I do not agree with the author of the article that Ukraine doesn’t need us even for nothing. It’s not humanly, not Russian. Firstly, there are many Russians, but you can’t leave your own. Secondly, the Russians and Ukrainians, it is still one people divided artificially no matter what they say. All from nationalism (even Russian though Ukrainian).
    1. +1
      9 January 2017 17: 21
      I do not agree with the author of the article that Ukraine doesn’t need us even for nothing. It’s not humanly, not Russian.


      And Realpolitik is always a little cruel ... request
  17. +5
    9 January 2017 13: 57
    To put it mildly, a naive article.
    It is clear that in the author’s world, modern Russia is a cosmic superpower (which Proton cannot launch, however). However, the reality is different.
    The essence of the proposals of part of the American elites (and only parts of them) -USA will not use some post-Soviet republics (and only them) as a drive belt against Russia. And they will not try to capture the remaining. Moreover, the value of these republics for Russia is not positive, but negative .
    For example, Ukraine, after the defeat in February 2014, when Russia was thrown out of Ukraine, it turned into a territory controlled by the United States, the essence of which is to harm Russia. And as such, it is very successful. As a countermeasure, the modern Russian Federation only decided to save Crimea as an object of the treaty suspend the situation with the Donbass. Even Poroshenko’s non-recognition was not resolved. Such a policy led to a situation where Ukraine can be used endlessly against the Russian Federation. They can shoot down planes for decades, carry out terrorist attacks, capture people, etc., etc. And everything will get away with it.
    Preparations are underway for similar events in the Republic of Belarus. And many of our local fools even help this by cursing "sitting on the neck" Belarus.
    And Clinton was planning to continue this policy in this matter, the approach of the Trump team is different. They are ready to leave Ukraine and save us from this endless hemorrhoids, but they are waiting for concessions in the Middle East and, most importantly, China.
    There will be no concessions in China to Ukraine and they will use it to create endless problems for us, all the more so it does not cost the Americans a cent.
    1. 0
      9 January 2017 17: 16
      It is clear that in the author’s world, modern Russia is a cosmic superpower (which, however, Proton cannot launch). However, the reality is different.


      As the realities showed: the USA is going down smoothly every year ... In Eastern Europe, the Russian Federation is stupidly stronger
      (this is for her theater number 1, unlike the USA)


      The essence of the proposals of some of the American elites (and only parts of them) -USA will not use some post-Soviet republics (and only them) as a drive belt against Russia. And will not try to capture the remaining


      And more they nothing they won’t be able to capture, the tuzik is a little stuck ...
      What they captured - they will use against us.
      1. 0
        9 January 2017 22: 42
        Quote: Olezhek
        . In Eastern Europe, the Russian Federation is stupidly stronger
        (this is for her theater number 1, unlike the USA)

        This is, excuse me, where in Eastern Europe the Russian Federation is "stupidly stronger"? In Poland, in the Baltics, in Ukraine?
        In fact, Russia is now stronger only in Belarus (and many in Russia are desperately trying to lose it as well) and the struggle continues in Moldova.
        So the only thing that the Russian Federation can do on the basis of the policy it pursues is to silently endure countless spitting and insults and try to build gas pipelines, generally bypassing Eastern Europe.
        1. 0
          10 January 2017 09: 43
          This is, excuse me, where in Eastern Europe the Russian Federation is "stupidly stronger"? In Poland, in the Baltics, in Ukraine?


          Too much has been said about Ukraine, about the Baltic states - what can Russia offer it in terms of economy and security and what is the United States?
          Americans are stupidly not needed by the Balts with all their problems and are not interested.

          And yes: EU type and NATO type ...
    2. 0
      9 January 2017 17: 28
      For decades, they can shoot down planes, carry out terrorist attacks, capture people, etc., etc.


      You intended a lot of life for "Vukraine" ...
      1. 0
        9 January 2017 22: 48
        Quote: Olezhek
        You intended a lot of life for "Vukraine" ...

        And what will happen to Maidan Ukraine? Until Russia begins to fight for its dismantling, nothing will change there.
        Well, a dozen million Ukrainians will die out in the sacred cause of fighting the "Muscovites". Who cares about them in the West
        Or are you an adherent of the sect-Maidan Ukraine to fall apart by itself? So 3 years is falling apart ...
  18. +1
    9 January 2017 15: 26
    Straight well written. Without uri and on business. It's a pity the plus sign is only one you can put.
  19. BAI
    0
    9 January 2017 15: 54
    As if relations with Ukraine were not bad, but:
    1. Bismarck: "Only then can Russia be defeated when it is possible to tear Ukraine away from it" (not literally, within the meaning).
    2. Correctly written in one article. Russia without Ukraine is like a fighter with a severed arm that is poked in the face with that arm. Only a fighter does not strike at those who wave this hand, but at a severed limb, finishing it. Heroism may be, but this participation is not in the Olympic Games, but in the Paralympic.
    1. +1
      9 January 2017 19: 35
      Actually, we are doing pretty well now, with a "torn off hand" then. If what Russia is doing now is the Paralympics, then where is the Olympics? In the Intergalactic Commonwealth, or what?
  20. +2
    9 January 2017 19: 03
    How sad it does not sound to me a citizen of Ukraine, but the main sanction of Russia against the EU-USA is Ukraine. For to maintain a country with 40 million citizens is not a cheap pleasure. But Ukraine is not Greece; you can’t winter in a cardboard box without gas and electricity. Therefore, the EU-sheep and the staff will have to pay for Ukraine. And Russian gas will have to be purchased for Ukraine. In general, it is not Putin who should ask Trump to return Ukraine to him, but Trump should do his best to throw this line of expenditure off balance. So Maidan, impoverished Ukraine-this is for a long time.
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    2. +1
      9 January 2017 23: 07
      The question is how to a citizen of Ukraine. Enlighten me, unreasonable, why this is necessary "contain a country with 40 million citizens"? What happened?
      No one will contain anyone. Roughly speaking, Ukraine was ruined and now they want to absorb all the debts of Russia. Who will pay for the loans that they gained in three years?
      Russia can take Ukraine into support in only one capacity - as a region of the Russian Federation, provided that all agreements from February 2014 are recognized as invalid and all debts from February 2014 are written off.
      He wrote and laughed himself. Yes, the West will strangle a penny. And here are debts of several billion (or tens of billions). Henry Kissinger is not a fool. Surely he knows a fairy tale about tips and roots.
      There will be nothing ... Themselves ... All by yourself .. Pens will have to work. But first, denazification, and a federal structure. And the obligatory lustration of the state apparatus. Under such conditions, you can bargain. But then all of Ukraine (in the sense of the whole without any pieces) falls under Russia. Merkel has a heart attack, Trump demolishes his enchanting hairstyle. All sorts of Poland, Romania, Hungary and the Baltic states, in addition, are firing together.
      1. 0
        10 January 2017 10: 44
        Debt is really a headache. They will have to be written off, if only because, when they were issued, there was no clear plan to return, to put it mildly, i.e. it was financing (coup, revolution, global operation, which should be emphasized), which arose due to the many years of persistent work of the US Treasury Department on fraud (although this is from which side to look) European banks.
        Will Russia begin to restore destroyed economic ties when new ones are already established, with trusted contractors, especially if they are residents, this is not a question, but a question.
  21. 0
    9 January 2017 21: 51
    I'm only interested in the section of Ukraine, following the example of the section of the Commonwealth.
  22. +1
    9 January 2017 22: 05
    Today, information has passed that a law has been introduced under which debtors are offered the only apartments to be deprived of debt. Here, not among the Romanians or all Greeks there. Garage cooperatives are massively demolished nationwide without any compensation there. According to the new law, since 1917, summer residences will be deprived of those who did not manage to enter the Rosreestr properly. All this is with us. And we are all about geopolitics and how our smaller brothers have and whether we need them.
    1. 0
      9 January 2017 22: 59
      Quote: Humanist
      And we are all about geopolitics and how our smaller brothers have and whether we need them.

      The Divine Comedy. With a clang, a creak, a squeal, an iron curtain descends over Russian History.
      - The presentation is over. The audience stood up.
      - It's time to put on fur coats and return home. Looked around. But there were no fur coats or houses.
  23. 0
    10 January 2017 10: 30
    Thanks uv. the author for the humorous tone of the article and especially for the words "the globe is over" laughing

    With geography, they have always been tight.
    Their calculations look ridiculous, but the situation is such that Trump is forced to play with the cards that he got from Obama. Neocons entered many regions and conflicts (creating new ones where they were not). Trump does not know how or does not want to play with such cards. Getting rid of them as problems, he will naturally position himself as a gesture of goodwill.
    Will Putin play along with him (I would advise if I were personally acquainted wink ), or not, the future of the relationship will depend.

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