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Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia ask the German media not to call them former Soviet republics

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Lithuanian, Latvian and Estonian ambassadors asked the heads of the German media not to name the countries they represent as former Soviet (allied) republics. Such an appeal by the Baltic ambassadors decided to make after the publication in German "Zeit Online" of the material "The Legacy of the Soviet Union", which described the three Baltic states.


From the joint letter of the Baltic ambassadors:
The Baltic countries in the USSR turned out to be against their will. Occupation and annexation took place. Most Western countries, including Germany, did not recognize the occupation of the Baltic countries. The Baltic countries were not created from scratch after the collapse of the Soviet Union, but regained their independence, interrupted during the occupation.


Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia ask the German media not to call them former Soviet republics


From all this, the only statement that can be called objective is the statement that the Baltic countries were not created from scratch after the collapse of the USSR. Indeed, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia have a huge amount of baggage, both economic and sociocultural, as an inheritance. After all, it was during the time when the three republics were part of the USSR, where they officially entered according to the decision of their own authorities (unlike, for example, Finland, which decided to resist), their economic, demographic, industrial and other potentials increased tenfold, turning territories from the real backwater to the showcase of a huge country. But after the end of the “Soviet occupation”, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia, due to their Russophobic policy, again turn into a backwater - already in the outskirts of the European Union. A provincial population that is losing population and constantly requires loans for survival.

The representatives of the Baltic States are asking the media not to call their countries "former Soviet republics", against the background of their own stories Looks utterly absurd.
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  1. NEXUS
    NEXUS 6 January 2017 13: 24
    +14
    And what will change if they don't call it that? The attitude as it was to the Baltic states in Europe below the plinth will remain. Or so with greater dignity are the toilets cleaned?
    1. oleg-gr
      oleg-gr 6 January 2017 13: 27
      +16
      The Balts have survived "occupation and annexation". After the collapse of the USSR, they immediately ran to another union, called the European one. Question: where is their pride and independence? In the USSR, they were the showcase of the country, in the EU, they were a backwater.
      1. 33 Watcher
        33 Watcher 6 January 2017 13: 30
        +2
        And they are preparing to survive the "invasion", while Ukraine is experiencing this every week. laughing
        It seems to me that the Germans will now start trolling them ...
        1. cniza
          cniza 6 January 2017 13: 41
          +7
          Quote: Observer 33
          And they are preparing to survive the "invasion", while Ukraine is experiencing this every week. laughing
          It seems to me that the Germans will now start trolling them ...


          Countries that deny or abandon their history are doomed to extinction, which we observe.
          1. Mahmut
            Mahmut 6 January 2017 17: 33
            +1
            Here they have little choice. Either they recognize themselves as former republics, or as separatist neoplasms occupied by NATO.
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 6 January 2017 18: 34
              +1
              A similar appeal of the ambassadors of Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia to the German media, only says that the historical truth about the period of the allegedly “occupational” stay of these countries as part of the USSR hits the Baltic states in the “face”!
        2. Monos
          Monos 6 January 2017 13: 44
          +17
          And I support their request! What are they to Benin's mother "Soviet"? As farmers were before us, they remained farmers after.

      2. volodya
        volodya 6 January 2017 13: 51
        +7
        Quote: oleg-gr
        The Balts have survived "occupation and annexation". After the collapse of the USSR, they immediately ran to another union, called the European one. Question: where is their pride and independence? In the USSR, they were the showcase of the country, in the EU, they were a backwater.

        In the USSR, they were full-fledged republics, and now they are returning to the agrarian past! Well then, this is their choice! Now there will be three farms!
      3. Rostov Papa
        Rostov Papa 6 January 2017 13: 57
        0
        After the collapse of the USSR, they immediately fled to another alliance called European.

        A good article on this topic, I recommend - Where will Eastern Europe break when the EU goes bankrupt?
        http://pikabu.ru/story/kuda_lomanyotsya_vostochna
        ya_evropa_kogda_razorit_es_4731355
      4. INVESTOR
        INVESTOR 6 January 2017 14: 17
        0
        Where is the wind of history promised by I.V. Stalin? When everything should fall into place!
      5. Reserve officer
        Reserve officer 6 January 2017 14: 22
        +8
        Then let them call them the territories that Peter the Great bought. That's better?
        1. volodya
          volodya 6 January 2017 16: 02
          +10
          Quote: Stock Officer
          Then let them call them the territories that Peter the Great bought. That's better?

      6. Pete mitchell
        Pete mitchell 8 January 2017 19: 59
        +7
        The Balts survived the "occupation and annexation" therefore, "joining" the EU, they were marked by the installation of a monument to the fallen girl. After all, they wanted to go to Europe, but Europe came to them, to get pleasure, that's an ambush ..
    2. bouncyhunter
      bouncyhunter 6 January 2017 13: 28
      +11
      Well, what do you call them now? Far Eastern Europroporschiki?
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 6 January 2017 13: 30
        +4
        Quote: bouncyhunter
        Well, what do you call them now? Far Eastern Europroporschiki?

        Under the USSR, the Baltic was the face of a European country, and now it is a European tailbone.
        1. cniza
          cniza 6 January 2017 13: 43
          +10
          Quote: bouncyhunter
          Well, what do you call them now? Far Eastern Europroporschiki?


          Hi Pasha, why don’t you call G anyway and swim in the backyards.
        2. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 6 January 2017 13: 55
          +6
          Quote: NEXUS
          Under the USSR, the Baltic was the face of a European country, and now it is a European tailbone.

          Not even the tailbone, but something lower))) In the tailbone, there is at least some proportion of the spinal cord, but there wasn’t any good at all.
          Where is the logic behind these understates? You do not call us "Soviet", but let Russia pay us the damage, for the fact that we were "Soviet". what
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 6 January 2017 13: 57
            +2
            Quote: Nyrobsky
            Not even the tailbone, but something lower))) In the tailbone, there is at least some proportion of the spinal cord, but there wasn’t any good at all.

            Well, just the ASS does not sound quite harmonious ... to deny your story is like denying the existence of your parents who gave you this life.
            1. bouncyhunter
              bouncyhunter 6 January 2017 18: 10
              +6
              Denying his past - the future has lost. The past is a monolith, trying to hold back which you risk embarrassing yourself ...
        3. Fitter65
          Fitter65 6 January 2017 17: 02
          0
          Quote: NEXUS
          Under the USSR, the Baltic was the face of a European country, and now it is a European tailbone.

          Not the tailbone, but the place where the hole between the buttocks dumps the body's vital products.
      2. Siberian
        Siberian 8 January 2017 18: 02
        +2
        No. Just the former. This reflects their present, and even brighter and more truly - the near future. Just a former tribaltic. Nobody in the whole world distinguishes them from each other. And when they go to look for happiness and work on the border (any), it is ridiculous to think that there they will speak their Estonian about their great culture, sing and read poetry. Their children already will not know and hear this language (at all) due to its uselessness in another world. We can assume that they ended there. Former, in a word.
    3. Finches
      Finches 6 January 2017 13: 37
      +8
      That's right, do not call them that! The Soviet republics, prosperous and industrially developing - Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia, cannot be compared with the bending, impoverished territories that are Europe's sloppy needy in its backyards, which, by some malicious intent, have the same names - Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia!
      1. alexmach
        alexmach 6 January 2017 16: 55
        +5
        Have you ever been to these "bending territories" then? It would be very useful, just to represent what you are talking about.
        1. Finches
          Finches 6 January 2017 17: 00
          +3
          It is necessary to distinguish the tourist center of Tallinn, which was visited at least once by any resident (let there be a majority) of St. Petersburg, as well as in Helsinki, from macroeconomic indicators! If you are sure that everything is fine with you - I will only be happy for you! Boast, it will be interesting to listen, especially in the real sector of the economy ...hi
          1. alexmach
            alexmach 6 January 2017 17: 30
            +6
            Everything is really not bad for me, although I live, perhaps, in Tallinn for the second year already half in the position of a tourist. Tallinn has not only a center, I live in a Soviet-built residential area - outwardly it looks more well-groomed than any other micro-district that I have seen so far. Renovated building facades. Mowed lawns in the courtyards of simple Soviet high-rise buildings, cleared snow on the paths. In general, when I came here from Ukraine for the first time, I was very surprised at how unusually well-groomed everything here is. The local standard is 2 cars for a working, I emphasize, a working family. There are really not many people on the street, a lot of old people. Prices are certainly high but moderately high. There are Ukrainian "migrant workers" here.
            1. vladimirvn
              vladimirvn 6 January 2017 18: 52
              +2
              ... There are really not many people on the street, many old people. Prices are certainly high but moderately high. ...
              Clean there, and silence, like in a cemetery
              1. alexmach
                alexmach 6 January 2017 19: 17
                +2
                Well, show me a country in which there are no problems. Yes, there is not a lot of demography here at the expense of labor migrants. Just show me a country in Europe where it is much better with her. Maybe in Russia? Or in warring Ukraine?

                They like to talk about the collapse of the EU and the sending of "toilet washers" home. Well, in fact, all demographic problems will be solved at once :)
                1. vladimirvn
                  vladimirvn 6 January 2017 20: 19
                  0
                  The only difference between us and you is that we have a prospect (at least I hope), and you definitely do not have it.
                  1. alexmach
                    alexmach 6 January 2017 20: 30
                    +5
                    First of all, who does it have with us?
                    Secondly, what does this mean? From the fact that I really want it to be so? Women's logic? If the statement is pleasant - is it true?
                    1. alexmach
                      alexmach 6 January 2017 21: 08
                      +4
                      If anything, I as a Russian man, even though I have never been to life in Russia, I wish you all the best. Here you just need to look at things at least somehow realistically.
                    2. vladimirvn
                      vladimirvn 6 January 2017 21: 09
                      +3
                      ... "It's really not bad for me, although I live in Tallinn for the second year already half in the position of a tourist." ...
                      We have it with the Russians.
                      ... "From the fact that you really want it to be so?" ..
                      The sighted one may see. Read the story. Russia will always be. And you, coming-going. I lived with my country, I live and will share any of its fate. Well, and then who of us is a woman, you have already shown with your deed, departure for permanent residence.
                      1. alexmach
                        alexmach 6 January 2017 21: 23
                        +4
                        What other departure for permanent residence? I'm not on permanent residence from any side.

                        Before that, I planned to spend my whole life in my hometown. In Lviv. As they say in Ukraine, in your opinion, I’m generally a total lover. I dared to be born beyond the expanses of the great and mighty .. Although no, I was still born in the Union, but it’s still very healthy, because it’s not like you.
                  2. Vitukha
                    Vitukha 7 January 2017 23: 57
                    0
                    The perspective of lezginka on the street is a wacky prospect
                    1. vladimirvn
                      vladimirvn 7 January 2017 23: 59
                      +1
                      No, the prospect of Muslim prayer in your streets is better
            2. Finches
              Finches 6 January 2017 22: 12
              +3
              I wanted to oppose you with figures and facts, but then, having already seen participation in the comrades' dialogue on our site, I decided to simply congratulate you on the upcoming Christmas - though without knowing your religion, I apologize to our Orthodox Christians and wish you all the best .. .! hi
          2. alexmach
            alexmach 6 January 2017 17: 45
            +5
            As for washing toilets and people of the second grade:
            Local diplomas are recognized throughout the EU. In addition, citizens have the opportunity to study at any European university (for example, in Germanni, and if I am not mistaken in Holland, there is a free higher education). Also, citizens have the opportunity to legally work in any country in Europe. Ukrainians, for example, very often work in unskilled jobs abroad illegally. Estimates at the beginning of 2000 indicated numbers from 4 to 7 million Ukrainians who were "in earnings". 7 million is by eye a third of the working population of Ukraine.

            + stable currency + banks giving loans at normal interest rates. Shopping centers at every turn ...

            It is clear that it is ridiculous to compare Estonia with Germany or, at least, Finland in terms of prosperity, but it looks very decent and comfortable compared to other post-Soviet republics. I doubt that comparing a non-capital Russian town with an Estonian one will turn out in favor of Russia.
            1. Alena Frolovna
              Alena Frolovna 6 January 2017 18: 07
              +3
              Sing, "swallow", sing ...
              1. himRa
                himRa 6 January 2017 19: 13
                +9
                and we have bees here ... such a fist! .... Oh!
                and hives? what hives do you have !?
                well ... beehives .... ordinary ...
                hmm ... but how do these bees of yours get into it?
                squeak but climb! tongue
              2. alexmach
                alexmach 6 January 2017 19: 18
                +5
                Essentially nothing to say?
                This cannot be because it cannot be?
                As for education, as the locals say, if you really want to, you can go to Russia to study, after the last drop in the ruble exchange rate it was not at all expensive.
            2. Idunavs
              Idunavs 6 January 2017 21: 53
              +2
              Quote: alexmach
              I doubt that comparing a non-capital Russian town with an Estonian one will turn out in favor of Russia.

              Come, you will be very surprised, at least to towns in the European part of Russia.
              Quote: alexmach
              If anything, I, as a Russian man, even though I have never been to life in Russia, wish you all the best
              and I’ll tell you a secret, you are no longer Russian, you just know Russian.
              1. alexmach
                alexmach 6 January 2017 22: 51
                +5
                Quote: Idunawa
                and I’ll tell you a secret, you are no longer Russian, you just know Russian.

                Did you decide this? I’m Russian, and I have no doubt about it, that you are a Russian.

                Quote: Idunawa
                Come, you will be very surprised, at least to towns in the European part of Russia.


                My wife was in Nizhny Novgorod several times. Considered a town in the European part?
                1. Idunavs
                  Idunavs 7 January 2017 00: 14
                  0
                  Quote: alexmach
                  Did you decide this? I’m Russian, and I have no doubt about it, that you are a Russian.

                  Are you trying to insult this? Yes, it doesn’t work out. All real Russians live in Russia, not over the hill. Like you, they live there and they think everyone knows about Russia and they’re talking nonsense.
                  Quote: alexmach
                  My wife was in Nizhny Novgorod several times. Considered a town in the European part?
                  And what's wrong? Before looking for a straw, look for a log.
                  1. alexmach
                    alexmach 7 January 2017 01: 24
                    +5
                    Quote: Idunawa
                    It doesn’t work out. All real Russians live in Russia, not over the hill

                    I will tell you the same thing as the Ukrainian "patriots". From such ka you "patriots" your homeland will be more harm than good. Goodbye to shining.
                    1. Idunavs
                      Idunavs 7 January 2017 02: 02
                      0
                      Quote: alexmach
                      Goodbye is bright.

                      And this is said by a man who escaped from his homeland. Can't you do without poison? Russia cuts your ears, yes, since you distort it every time?
                2. Kostya Andreev
                  Kostya Andreev 7 January 2017 00: 26
                  +3
                  in vain got into an argument. You don’t prove anything to anyone. Commentators on VO know how there, although no one was there, and even they don’t have friends there, but they will operate with numbers.
                  Regarding towns and cities in the Russian Federation, they have only just begun to approach the level of the Baltic states of the Soviet period in terms of convenience and cleanliness. So what else to plow and plow. and the level of Europe is not soon.
                  here they laugh at that. that people from the Baltic states are going to work in the EU, while in Russia, too, schools of small towns are going to work in Moscow, Peter and other large cities. and most commentators for the money that they pay in the EU themselves will go to wash the toilets and make pots.
                  services in relation to servicing people in Estonia are better than in Russia. father is a pensioner, so certificates from another state come to him faster than from the authorities of the Russian Federation and answer clearly and clearly.
                  Two cars for a family and in the Russian Federation is no longer an indicator, but in Estonia it is easier to do this because Europe with their used cars nearby, (I saw a classmate on a BMW, I was envious, and then I looked at the price of 12 oyro and calmed down, (before the crisis )
                  Regarding the interest on the loan, here it is necessary to write how much the apartment costs, for example, and from here draw conclusions. And on average, people in the ER that live in the Russian Federation the same way, although Estonia and Russia need to be able to compare this, because different weight categories.
                  By and large. there wasn’t anything left from the former industrial Estonia, which is not good, because if the transit is closed together with subsidies, it will be a conservation area or a nursing home.
                  Estonian salaries are not something unattainable for a Russian in Russia.

                  To argue, you need to say the rent, prices in maxim or rimini, at gas stations, so that our commentators can simply compare. and so people don’t know what the argument is about!
                  Mustamäe?
                  And one more thing: you are from Ukraine, came to a European country with a different mentality, standard of living, climate, etc., etc. The question is how do you assess the shans of Ukraine in the EU. Do you see the difference? What you see has always been in Estonia both in the Union and before joining the EU.
                  I will tell you my opinion, neither Ukraine nor Moldova nor Georgia or Russia and Belarus nor other countries of the former USSR nor by any means. I do not care about their aspirations, I will only be glad if possible. but do not represent countries in the EU.
                  1. alexmach
                    alexmach 7 January 2017 01: 21
                    +3
                    Yes, I agree, it turned out silly with the argument, I also agree with everything else.

                    And one more thing: you are from Ukraine, came to a European country with a different mentality, standard of living, climate, etc., etc. The question is how do you assess the shans of Ukraine in the EU. Do you see the difference? What you see has always been in Estonia both in the Union and before joining the EU.


                    In general, I never had any doubts that no one was waiting for Ukraine in the EU, except that in the best years immediately after the Orange Revolution there were some hopes, but they were quickly dispelled. Europe, of course, is also very different, but nevertheless, an openly poor and problematic country there is no longer needed by anyone. I will be very surprised if they suddenly introduce at least a visa-free regime with Ukraine, which seems to be closer and more realistic now than ever, all my life I considered it a beautiful fairy tale, moreover, told by our own politicians.

                    At one time, under Yushchenko, a Ukraine-NATO partnership plan was adopted. It was presented as a huge victory, and huge discussions were conducted on whether this should be done. Here are just few people in the veil of propaganda in general asked what was required of Ukraine according to this plan. There were such things as diversification of energy supplies (this was a big problem in those years for Ukraine), stabilization of the financial situation of Naftogaz (it was already a problem then) and the Pension Fund, norms about the budget deficit, something about fighting corruption. No one in their right mind needs a partner in agony ...

                    As for Moldova and Belarus - here I am not sure. It seems to me that they have the most chances to become part of the European Union because of their size.

                    I remember little of the Soviet Union, I was 10 years old when it fell apart, but what parents tell, for example, about interethnic relations at that time and about the life they lived in, is very different from what is happening there now.
                  2. Vitalson
                    Vitalson 7 January 2017 16: 25
                    +2
                    Dear Konstantin, where did you get the idea that people in VO have no acquaintances or even relatives there? I have close relatives "there" and they come to visit us in Russia every year. In addition to confectionery, which is not in the Baltics and will never be, they load a bunch of all kinds of light industry goods into their Lexus because they do not have it there, or these goods are very expensive. Plus, they enjoy eating local fruits and vegetables. they are much tastier than those brought from the EU. Plus, they go to St. Petersburg for treatment not for a better life, and now, most likely, they will bring more salt from Russia, yes, ordinary salt because they have it for our money 300r. per kilogram pack. But these are little things, the main thing is that they are in Europe. I agree about the cleanliness of streets in cities, I have been there more than once, unlike Russian cities, the difference is really noticeable. But these are big cities and the capital, in small towns and farms it was not possible to visit. Relatives, by the way, are citizens if anything, but they do not benefit from this for a penny, they work abroad at sea. In principle, with their salary, they would also not be bad living in Bangladesh.
                    1. Kostya Andreev
                      Kostya Andreev 7 January 2017 22: 34
                      +1
                      Regarding what I took, that there are no friends there. read the comments!
                      Your relatives go to Russia to pack and get treated in St. Petersburg because the ruble exchange rate has dipped, and now it’s profitable, it reminds you when Belarusians and Kazakhs in the Russian Federation rushed to buy equipment. (According to my friend from Moscow, Europeans go to Moscow to treat their teeth, the prices are seriously lower and the quality is not inferior to European)
                      Residents of border regions in general in the Russian Federation refuel and buy cigarettes (such a kind of smuggler). I will not argue about fruits and vegetables and confectionery for taste and color. For example, I don’t like blood sausage in Russia, but someone like it, I would bring some kg from Estonia.
                      Regarding salt for 300 rubles, you still need to transfer the salary of your relatives to rubles, which is on average at the euro exchange rate from 50 to 85 thousand rubles (this is official data plus or minus) per person working. And your relatives are likely to be higher. You understand that with such a salary, prices like ours will not be, and it would be strange if they were like that. You would also cite the fare as an example, or the cost of housing, which if translated into Russian, has cosmic prices.
                      You make a mistake, project their prices and salaries onto Russian reality.
                      Your relatives, like all reasonable people, are trying to save money, which is why they buy in the Russian Federation, benefiting from the price difference .. I can also go to another region if it is profitable. and a family friend visits Kazakhstan every year and brings flour from there, because it’s cheaper there.
                      1. Vitalson
                        Vitalson 9 January 2017 08: 41
                        0
                        You dear Konstantin again turned everything upside down. To begin with, as I already said, they receive their salaries not in their own country but abroad, my uncle works at sea, as does the husband of his wife’s sister. The government of his country has nothing to do with this. His income is about 4 thousand euros, but this is personally his merit. Further. They go to St. Petersburg for treatment because there are no such specialists in the Baltic states and local doctors themselves advised to go to Russia. By the way, the result was not long in coming. As for the income of the local population, one shouldn’t hang noodles on their ears saying that those who work in the Baltic countries are much lower than Russian, plus an expensive communal utility that takes up almost 40% of income (for my information, the communal utility at the end of 2016 was about 8,5% from income). Once at one of the forums the same comrade as you tried to prove that everything is bad in the Russian Federation, they say that in America the railway driver receives much more than Russian. But the question is not who gets better, the question is how many nishtyaks he can buy for his salary. And here it turned out that the salary of the American machinist is enough for a more or less human condition (to maintain the pants), i.e. you won’t be able to accumulate something or get rich. And you are right about the taste and color - eating tasteless GMOs from geyrops doesn’t at all make it even better to eat not so beautiful but edible vegetables from your garden. 300 rub salt My question is - how is Norwegian salt different from Ukrainian or Russian? Nothing. It’s salt and salt in Africa. Why do not the government of the Baltic countries conclude an agreement on the supply of this product with the fascist and now such native Ukraine? Yes, no one will allow this as well as tomatoes from Uzbekistan. And how do you like the news about the legalization of the sale of expired products in Latvia? This, probably, from a high standard of living, gives the opportunity to Latvians to save even more and to get rich even more. Where do they get so much money? And housing prices, by the way, in the Russian Federation are much higher than in the Baltic states, at least in the capital regions, if we compare ..
                    2. Kostya Andreev
                      Kostya Andreev 11 January 2017 14: 32
                      0
                      I will answer you. I am glad that in St. Petersburg there is such medicine that is not in the EU. I also have a classmate from Estonia who goes to sea and travel to Europe. but we spoke with you about the inhabitants of the Baltic states. And now you give an example of a person who does not live there, I will tell you even more and in Russia there are people who earn not bad, even by European standards.
                      As for the local income, we have people from Estonia on our site and they can confirm what salaries are there, I can tell you that in Tallinn they are different from 400 (there are less) and 1500 oiro (there are higher), we exclude from consideration uncle, aunts, brothers sailors.
                      Regarding the rent, you have pleased me. Interest can express anything, 40% is how? that is, your uncle pays for the apartment, 1600 euros. And my friend receiving 1000 euros pays in winter and summer at 400 euros. Regarding your 8.5%, you get it if you project my family and rent for you, you have a salary of about 100 rubles (even for Moscow and Europe this is a very good indicator)
                      I won’t argue about the driver with the help of whom you won the dispute, but there is, for example, an electrician from our Russian hinterland who left here in 90 to get a penny here, but he just lives there, not survives, and he’s not going to come back, a colleague at work (reserve soldiers, a pensioner, by the way, working at a defense enterprise), her daughter lives in a bad USA and is not going to return, claims that she is better there and a bunch of such examples, but there are other directly opposite ones, so it depends on the person. And where I prove that it’s bad in the Russian Federation, although with your salary of 100 you can buy a lot of nishtyaks not available to me, and it’s very good for you in the Russian Federation, at least many problems are not noticeable. I also strive for such earnings.
                      Concerning GMOs in the EU, ask yourself a question, for example, why Europe does not want to sign an agreement with the USA, precisely because GMO products will crush European ones. And manufacturers supply products to Estonia and the Russian Federation, the same bananas, coffee, and so on.
                      For salt and pricing, study the mat part. For example, why Russian grain is supplied to enterprises in the Russian Federation. It differs in price from the same supplied to other countries, or gasoline, has a difference in price from one manufacturer in different countries.
                      Regarding the sale of expired products. And what's wrong with that? if for example the shelf life of milk has ended today, but tomorrow you can drink it, and accordingly it is better to sell it cheaply than pour it into the slops. I know that many will buy, it is beneficial to everyone, and the store and the buyer and the state. You work in the trading field. Find out how many products are simply thrown away. Why don't they just sell cheap people? Although with your salary it is difficult to probably understand a pensioner with his pension!
                      Regarding housing prices, you just laughed comparing the capital? it turns out that Moscow and Tallinn are the same for the price, I agree, well then compare the provincial cities of these countries. Selling an apartment of 48 M / sq. In Tallinn with stove heating in a two-story building built in the early 50's, for 60 euros, which one can I buy an apartment in Russia and where? Ask how many Khrushchevs cost there? compare the values ​​in small cities of the Russian Federation and the ER,
                  3. valerii41
                    valerii41 7 January 2017 22: 16
                    0
                    Kostya. You didn’t say anything about the numbers. Europa level, my daughter came from Germany, she was visiting with a friend, she also bought a warm sweater and sleep coldly, and in the corners of the apartment there’s mold. And the water costs oh how expensive. I am retired and what other certificates are needed. I have no idea. Is it worth going to the EU to work when you lose your pension and medical insurance policy? In Germany, a salary of less than 1200 euros cannot be made a contribution to the bank, but investing drips half a percent. Germans go to Switzerland where one percent drips. They are rushing to work in Moscow and St. Petersburg, we also need miners, in the mines of Kaz Uchulen Tashtagol Sheregesh and in Khakassia the climate is better than in Sochi and Switzerland there are more sunny days, more beautiful. There were camps on business trips at that time, dad and mom can not bring up a son to us at the resort drove in trains. We don’t need brothers in the 80s; in Georgia there was a sharp difference in life and with contempt for the Russians
                    1. Kostya Andreev
                      Kostya Andreev 7 January 2017 23: 03
                      0
                      And what numbers are needed: sq / board prices in the store, the cost of gasoline, what?
                      It’s worth going to work in the EU only to eat the difference, for example, to work there, and send the money here, but for the Russians it makes no sense to make money here. As for life in the EU, you don’t explain this to me, but to those who dream of Europe, I don’t belong to such people, but we are going to this! I know what life is in the EU (there are pros and cons) and therefore I am quite happy with life in the Russian Federation.

                      Quote: valerii41
                      We don’t need brothers in the 80s; in Georgia there was a sharp difference in life and with contempt for Russian
                      That's about it, and I Taldych wishing to restore the USSR and aching about fraternal countries !!!!
                      1. Vitalson
                        Vitalson 10 January 2017 13: 16
                        0
                        Konstantin, my colleague dumped a friend on permanent residence in the Netherlands. She married there a 50-year-old bachelor of 47 years old. She has a salary of 1200 euros, he has his own furniture repair business. Pension does not shine for them under the law. For two of them, their mutual income is not enough for a living - the result is to work for them and work until they die. Gathered to play a wedding for all the little baubles (rings, clothes, etc.) they came to Russia because 2 rings without trinkets they cost 1000 euros. And at the wedding, friends gave them - some drink, some snack. What did she go there? It's just that no one and nothing is holding it in Russia, so I decided to dump it in Holland.
        2. Siberian
          Siberian 8 January 2017 18: 17
          +1
          Yes. sure. It was October-November: the gloom is such that I want to strangle myself out of anguish (I understand why they are all so angry and disgruntled there), the local forests are so polite to me. I made the scenery "a tale of wasted time" - one to one, the old town, actually nothing does not carry national - the Poles built, restored too. Narrow long windows of houses - loopholes, however, did not understand from whom and how they fired back, narrow streets, flowers from the windows of neighboring houses can be watered to each other (if something grew in such darkness) + ordinary Soviet buildings. Cemeteries are within the city limits (and where else would they be with such a scale?). Everything is so wretched. All their life they were forced to join various German orders and others in order to somehow survive and have protection, where did this arrogance come from? "Concert" in the Riga Dome Cathedral, the local audience is prim and fucking patriotic to sit out until the end (patriotism is not enough?). And - of course - eggs, bought by the piece (I was shocked), we still haven't reached that since the end of the 80s, mainly we buy in cassettes. Everything is peculiar there, of course. I don’t think there’s such bullshit in all of Europe. Mongolia, Altai, Tuva, Khakassia, Baikal, the Far East, Khabarovsk Territory, Amur. The Urals, Yakutia are much more original for traveling and more informative.
    4. vovanpain
      vovanpain 6 January 2017 13: 42
      +9
      Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia, as a result of their Russophobic policy, are once again turning into the outback - already in the outskirts of the European Union. Outback, losing population and constantly demanding loans for survival.

      They have long been transformed into representatives of another profession. fellow
    5. himRa
      himRa 6 January 2017 13: 45
      +8
      The Baltic countries in the USSR were not of your own free will. There was occupation and annexation. Most Western countries, including Germany, did not recognize the occupation of the Baltic countries.

      What a monstrous lie!
    6. siberalt
      siberalt 6 January 2017 15: 07
      +3
      There was a "showcase" of the achievements of the USSR, now the "backyards" of the West. But they bark too loudly! belay
      So what to do? Otherwise, you won’t get a bone from the table. laughing
    7. Vadivak
      Vadivak 6 January 2017 15: 55
      +2
      Quote: ........
      The request of the representatives of the Baltic states to the media not to call their countries "former Soviet republics", against the background of their own history, looks utterly absurd.

      Well, you don’t want to call the former future
    8. warriordima
      warriordima 7 January 2017 04: 03
      +1
      It’s good to call names! We don’t call you former fascists.))
      Threat-But the opinion of politicians is one thing, and the opinion of the people is another.
  2. Fitter65
    Fitter65 6 January 2017 13: 28
    +4
    Most Western countries, including Germany, did not recognize the occupation of the Baltic countries. The Baltic countries were not created from scratch after the collapse of the Soviet Union, but restored their independence, which was interrupted during the occupation.

    Germany, which owned the port of Memel (Klaipeda, it seems to be called now). Restored independence, so return what you were attached during the occupation. The same German port of Memel, or the Polish city of Vilna, Trakai county. Formerly allied Western countries tell you correctly ( Soviet) republics. You are former, you are no one and your place is at the bucket. laughing laughing laughing
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 6 January 2017 14: 58
      +2
      The West did not recognize the presence of Lithuania in the USSR. But by decision of the Allies at the Potsdam Conference, part of East Prussia, including the Klaipeda Region, was transferred to the USSR. In theory, Klaipeda and its environs should be returned to the Russian Federation as a successor state to the USSR.
      1. Fitter65
        Fitter65 6 January 2017 15: 32
        0
        Quote: Sergej1972
        The West did not recognize the presence of Lithuania in the USSR.

        So the USSR did not recognize a lot of things either, and now what? In fact, it was ours that was now ours. And then we look at which of ours it is necessary to return to ours. !! "?
  3. captain
    captain 6 January 2017 13: 39
    +6
    The Baltic "supermen" have become insolent. Forever Russia will buy something unnecessary, then it will bring this unnecessary to mind, and then we tear our hair in one place, why did we buy it? All this sholupon Peter! bought like sheep for 2 million silver efimoks. Let them give the money, part of the territory. what the Bolsheviks gave and are rolling in all four directions.
    1. Kasym
      Kasym 6 January 2017 14: 11
      +2
      This Baltics will come running on its own - I even "calculated" - a maximum of 2023, but I think that sooner. hi
    2. Kostya Andreev
      Kostya Andreev 7 January 2017 01: 50
      +1
      Quote: captain
      Forever Russia will buy something unnecessary, then this unnecessary will bring to mind

      Do you need the Moonsund archipelago and fleet base?
      Quote: Kasym
      This Baltics will come running on its own - I even "calculated" - a maximum of 2023, but I think that sooner. hi

      What for? no died so died
      1. Vitalson
        Vitalson 7 January 2017 16: 39
        0
        And you know what my relatives (and most of the residents except the Baltic establishment and nationalists) are most afraid of living there, there is not a Russian invasion, but the military from NATO who are outrageous there and escalate the situation.
  4. dauria
    dauria 6 January 2017 13: 40
    0
    asking them not to name the countries they represent as former Soviet (Union) republics.


    At the request of the Tatars, consider the proverb "An uninvited guest is worse than a Tatar" obsolete and pronounce it like this: "An uninvited guest better Tatar "
    (bearded joke)
    1. himRa
      himRa 6 January 2017 14: 05
      +3
      Urus, Urus onmagan -on kalach tan tomagan! tongue(bearded mazak joke)
  5. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 6 January 2017 13: 41
    +10
    Hedgehog it is clear that they are nicer to be called the Reichskommissariat Ostland.
  6. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 6 January 2017 13: 47
    +10
    In principle, I agree with the requirement not to call them former Soviet republics. They are much more worthy of the name "sprat extinctions" or "late purchase"
    1. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 6 January 2017 15: 12
      +4
      Quote: Stroibat stock
      or "late purchase"

      Duc, and signs of decomposition are evident. And there’s a smell from them all over Europe ... Creeping self-destruction. A unique case is when a territory liberates itself from the population.
  7. Chaos
    Chaos 6 January 2017 13: 52
    +2
    Morons, bl ...
    Lavrov
  8. Ihrek
    Ihrek 6 January 2017 13: 57
    +4
    The entire Soviet Union revived the economies of these former, the average salary there was higher than the national average. And now Europe doesn’t even think about investing in their economy, the citizens of these former countries need Europe as laborers and the territory for hosting their military bases.
  9. fif21
    fif21 6 January 2017 14: 04
    +7
    The Balts bought for "efimki" have forgotten whose property they are laughing
    It's time to put them up for auction. hi
  10. Bayonet
    Bayonet 6 January 2017 14: 06
    0
    The ambassadors of Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia turned to the heads of the German media with a request not to name the countries they represent as former Soviet (union) republics.

    Maybe - the Grand Duchy of Lithuania? So more respectable ... in my own eyes lol
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 6 January 2017 14: 59
      +1
      And Latvia and Estonia which side to it?
  11. fif21
    fif21 6 January 2017 14: 07
    +3
    Do not call a fallen woman, and the essence will not change. lol
  12. vasilev
    vasilev 6 January 2017 14: 10
    +9
    Peter 1 bought the Baltic states from the Swedes in 1721. All this time they were part of the Russian Empire and only in the USSR became full-fledged republics, and now they blame about occupation and the threat.
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 8 January 2017 18: 38
      0
      Without modern Lithuania and part of Latvia (Courland), which entered much later. In the Russian Empire, the Ostsee empires had a pretty decent semi-autonomous status. German and Swedish nobles became an integral part of the Russian nobility. The only thing is that Latvians and Estonians began to take part in the management of the region only somewhere from the end of the 19th century.
  13. Swetly
    Swetly 6 January 2017 14: 13
    0
    Call a cat a dog - that’s how it will change from this. And they will still be perceived as a cat.
  14. seregatara1969
    seregatara1969 6 January 2017 14: 22
    +2
    if the former wife is not called the former - she will not become real - so will the former
  15. Stanislas
    Stanislas 6 January 2017 14: 36
    +1
    donkeys of Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia turned to the heads of the German media with a request not to name the countries they represent as former Soviet (union) republics
    Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia today are something else just like the former Soviet Baltic republics. As the Baltic countries they have children, they have their own semi-legal representatives, they will be asked how to call them.
  16. Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 6 January 2017 15: 08
    +1
    Why generalize so loudly: "Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia are asking ..."
    This nonsense was voiced by three representatives of a small part of the political elites who seized power in the Baltic republics who are on contentment and professing politics in the interests of the Western alliance. Believe me, in the republics themselves, not everything is so simple and far from all the population believes that it was bad under the Soviet Union.
  17. Galleon
    Galleon 6 January 2017 15: 17
    +7
    In their history over the past 1000 years, these funny people have been independent from 1918 to 1940. Since 1991, this is a farm of the European Union, which, in order to get into the Euro, has destroyed its industry. These are record holders of dependency among nations !! What age-old independence and independence can we talk about? A normal human reaction from any European or Asian country to these Charles is a healthy laugh.
  18. Berkut24
    Berkut24 6 January 2017 15: 28
    0
    So we will write down - the former colonies of Sweden.
  19. fa2998
    fa2998 6 January 2017 15: 36
    +3
    Quote: Reserve officer
    Then let them call them the territories that Peter the Great bought.

    They can be called Courland, Estland, Livonia and something else otherwise. The time in which there were "independent" states was negligible. And as they declared independence, they immediately began to look under someone to lie down!
    According to the Molotov-Ribbentrop agreement, Lithuania was to leave Germany altogether. Then they beat it and Lithuania fell into the interests of the USSR for a piece of Poland. And now they complain to Germany too! They were people with Russia (the toilets in the village were finished in the 40s and 50s years), and now the garbage-wash other people's toilets. No. hi
  20. fa2998
    fa2998 6 January 2017 15: 37
    0
    Quote: fa2998
    Quote: Reserve officer
    Then let them call them the territories that Peter the Great bought.

    They can be called Courland, Estland, Livonia and something else otherwise. The time in which there were "independent" states was negligible. And as they declared independence, they immediately began to look under someone to lie down!
    According to the Molotov-Ribbentrop agreement, Lithuania was to leave Germany altogether. Then they beat it and Lithuania fell into the interests of the USSR for a piece of Poland. And now they complain to Germany too! They were people with Russia (they finished putting toilets in the village only at 40-50 - x years), and now the garbage-wash other people's toilets. No. hi
    1. Viktor.N.Aleksandrov.
      Viktor.N.Aleksandrov. 6 January 2017 16: 05
      +2
      Oh, these Chukhons! We can say they were found in a European garbage dump, bought, equipped, civilized, and they ... smile
  21. atesterev
    atesterev 6 January 2017 17: 11
    +2
    Oh, wei! In the Russian Empire, all these countries, so to speak, were provinces :)
  22. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 6 January 2017 17: 48
    +1
    [quoteThe request of the representatives of the Baltic states to the media about not calling their countries "former Soviet republics" looks utterly absurd against the background of their own history.] [/ quote]
    It's funny - they became states from scratch! Yes, if not for the so-called "Soviet occupation", which turned their backwaters from one city and a bunch of villages into the republics of the USSR with a developed infrastructure and industry. Many current rulers of the post-Soviet republics are like thieves who stole a piece of the common economy and sold it together with the people to the godfather. request
    The request of dwarfs to recognize them as giants! laughing
  23. Sergey F
    Sergey F 6 January 2017 17: 52
    +1
    Hold me guys, otherwise I'll fall!
    Maybe they, like the Ukrainians, are more ancient than the ancients?
    In short, as they were "prostitutes", so they remained!
    The history of the country is garbage for them, which means they themselves, not even scavengers, but simply scum of history!
  24. Caretaker
    Caretaker 6 January 2017 18: 44
    0
    In vain you (discussion participants) offend the Balts!
    They want to be called Russian provinces, and you pounced and call names in every way. Not good.
  25. behemot
    behemot 6 January 2017 19: 39
    +1
    forgot the story? Small but VERY Proud young democracies. Eurobooth. True, some Russian "stars" prefer to live there. For money it means to Moscow, but to live in the Baltic states. Aesthetes, however.
  26. Makarov
    Makarov 6 January 2017 20: 59
    0
    Well, yes ... Catherine bought them before ... paying the money ...
  27. Wolka
    Wolka 6 January 2017 21: 01
    +1
    Well, what to take from the wretched,
  28. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 6 January 2017 21: 31
    +2
    Quote: alexmach
    Here you just need to look at things at least somehow realistically.

    Those who went into the service of the Nazis during the Second World War, do you think the same looked at life realistically? And do not call yourself Russian. You are not worthy of it.
  29. pvv113
    pvv113 6 January 2017 21: 40
    +2
    Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia ask German media not to call them former Soviet (union) republics

    They prefer the name "European Six" or "US Colony"
  30. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 6 January 2017 22: 10
    +2
    Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia ask German media not to call them former Soviet (union) republics

    it is logical that the republics are too important for these entities - Livliandsya (center - Riga), Kurlyandskaya (center in Mitava - now Jelgava) and Vilna province, TEMPORALLY OCCUPIED RUSSIAN PROVINCES
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  32. Darth Revan
    Darth Revan 7 January 2017 13: 29
    +1
    Spratsk Confederation - is that better? bully
  33. valerii41
    valerii41 7 January 2017 21: 18
    +2
    There will be in the future the Kremlin will announce the brothers and at an increased pace they will feed us at our expense, already Georgian agents remind us of something about the brotherhood. Withdrew from Russia and farewell
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