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Confirmed information about the reduction of the armed forces of the Russian Federation in Syria

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Information is confirmed on the reduction of Russia's military presence in Syria, including the naval presence in the eastern part of the Mediterranean. TV channel REN With reference to the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation reports that in the near future, the composition of the naval naval group will leave the aircraft carrying cruiser Admiral Kuznetsov and the missile cruiser Peter the Great.


From the statement by General of the Army General Valery Gerasimov, Chief of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation:
In accordance with the decision of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, Vladimir Putin, the Russian Defense Ministry is starting to reduce the grouping of the Armed Forces in Syria.


Confirmed information about the reduction of the armed forces of the Russian Federation in Syria


An aircraft carrier group led by Admiral Kuznetsov has been performing tasks off the coast of Syria since last fall. The first combat sorties of airplanes with strikes against terrorist groups in Syria from the aircraft-carrying cruiser were carried out on November 15. In total, about 420 sorties were carried out, during which more than 1200 objects of terrorist groups of the IG and the Front al-Nusra were hit (banned in Russia).

During combat duty, unfortunately, not without incidents involving the loss of aircraft wing aircraft. So, November 14, after performing a training flight, the carrier-based MiG-29K fighter fell into the sea, and December 5 - Su-33. In both of these cases, the pilots remained alive. The investigation into the causes of the crash continues.
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  1. OLD FART
    OLD FART 6 January 2017 12: 47
    +11
    In total, about 420 sorties were carried out, during which more than 1200 targets of the IS terrorist groups were hit

    Great job .... And then some began to howl "Kuzyu" for scrap metal and supposedly everything was gone, this Putin's gamble, etc ... Worked fine though! Home ... men Home !!! Thank you for your service!
    1. bouncyhunter
      bouncyhunter 6 January 2017 12: 52
      +12
      Vitaly! hi Don't panic - "Kuzya" will return home, and then we will find out his future fate. yes
      1. oleg-gr
        oleg-gr 6 January 2017 13: 33
        +12
        It's time to Kuzma home. For modernization. Whatever they write about him, it’s too early for him to rest.
        1. vovanpain
          vovanpain 6 January 2017 14: 07
          +12
          Quote: oleg-gr
          It's time to Kuzma home. For modernization. Whatever they write about him, it’s too early for him to rest.

          Yes, stupid people wrote. "Kuznetsov" FOR THE FIRST TIME took part in a combat operation, from here and it is necessary to dance and plans for further development, this is first of all EXPERIENCE. hi
      2. OLD FART
        OLD FART 6 January 2017 15: 55
        +1
        Quote: bouncyhunter
        Vitaly! hi Don't panic - "Kuzya" will return home, and then we will find out his future fate. yes

        Do not wait ... !!!! The blacksmith will still show himself in new quality .. soldier
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 6 January 2017 16: 16
          +7
          Buddy! Lay siege to the horses and hide the sword in the sheath! Nobody has buried "Kuzyu" yet and performed hosanna! Patience, my friend ...
          1. OLD FART
            OLD FART 6 January 2017 16: 26
            0
            I hope, but I’ll keep the saber for Kuzya! And then a lot of yelling ... soldier
            1. bouncyhunter
              bouncyhunter 6 January 2017 16: 42
              +6
              Vitaly! Where does so much aggression come from? Read the comments and make sure - the overwhelming majority BELIEVE in the future of "Admiral Kuznetsov"! And you still have time to wave a saber - keep it sharp! soldier
    2. Zibelew
      Zibelew 6 January 2017 12: 52
      +8
      Negative experience is also experience. Revise technical solutions after the loss of 2 aircraft, the concept of using an aircraft carrier. A warrant of 7 feet under the keel and tailwind.
      1. Vita vko
        Vita vko 6 January 2017 13: 28
        +5
        Quote: Zibelew
        Negative experience is also an experience

        For a moment, this is the first combat experience of using an aircraft-carrying cruiser in the history of Russia!
        Based on this experience, the policy of aircraft carrier shipbuilding will be revised in the near future, probably in the direction of increasing efficiency.
        1. Stirbjorn
          Stirbjorn 6 January 2017 14: 53
          +4
          Quote: Vita VKO
          Based on this experience, the policy of aircraft carrier shipbuilding will be revised in the near future, probably in the direction of increasing efficiency.

          So maybe they will refuse to build at all. The negative experience came out, given the two lost aircraft. It is still unknown what will be more effective
          1. SSR
            SSR 6 January 2017 15: 33
            +4
            Quote: Stirbjorn
            Quote: Vita VKO
            Based on this experience, the policy of aircraft carrier shipbuilding will be revised in the near future, probably in the direction of increasing efficiency.

            So maybe they will refuse to build at all. The negative experience came out, given the two lost aircraft. It is still unknown what will be more effective

            but why did the treble decide that the experience was negative? Internet to help and see how many US planes have lost .....
            There is a video on YouTube in memory of Hero Tolboev and it tells very clearly what kind of sniper work is needed to land the plane on a "strip" in the sea / ocean.
            The military in the exercises lose technology and people ... but no one laments that the army must be dissolved.
            1. Stirbjorn
              Stirbjorn 6 January 2017 15: 49
              +4
              Quote: SSR
              but why did the treble decide that the experience was negative? Internet to help and see how many US planes have lost .....

              and what is positive, in the loss of two aircraft, with absolutely unclear results? That's just in training and it was necessary to practice landing on the deck. And check the air finishers in the same place in the North. About the Internet to help, in general it’s ridiculous - provide statistics on US losses during sorties, since this is a topic that’s why I should look for you ?!
              1. co-creator
                co-creator 6 January 2017 18: 26
                +3
                Quote: Stirbjorn
                That's just in training and it was necessary to practice landing on the deck. And check the air finishers in the same place in the North.

                Who said . what did not work out? Just one thing is teaching. and other combat work. More intensity of departures, more fatigue, more stress, commanders demand more, etc. The reason was the breakage of the aerofinisher cable. So in the USA recently for the same reasons they lost a plane. Only there everything was already worked out and quickly determined that the team that was responsible for the correct operation of the aerofinisher was mistaken. Were you mistaken because of fatigue and stress that they didn’t work out too?
              2. vovanpain
                vovanpain 6 January 2017 19: 45
                +14
                Quote: Stirbjorn
                About the Internet to help, in general, it’s ridiculous - provide statistics on US losses during sorties, since this is a topic that is being discussed, why should I look for you ?!

                Colleague, here are some accidents on US aircraft carriers
                On board the American aircraft carrier Ronald Reagan (USS Ronald Reagan) based on the US Navy Yokosuka at the entrance to Tokyo Bay, the plane caught fire, Stars and Stripes reported.
                The Grumman E-2 Hawkeye long-range radar detection aircraft was in the hangar, where there was a fire due to a short circuit. The fire was quickly extinguished and no one was hurt. The fire aboard the latest American aircraft carrier almost coincided with the visit of Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe and Vice Admiral Nora Tyson, commander of the third flotilla, to the aircraft carrier. However, they managed to put out the fire before they stepped onto the deck. Resonance accidents and fires on American aircraft carriers became an unkind tradition of the US Navy. The fire on the Forrestal strike aircraft carrier in the Gulf of Tonkin in 1967 is considered the largest disaster. This is the largest tragedy in the modern history of the US Navy. 134 people died in the fire, another 161 sailors were injured and burned. The fire would have been caused by the spontaneous launch of the 27 mm Zuni unguided rocket, which fell off the Skyhaw attack aircraft pylon and crashed into fully loaded and equipped for take-off aircraft. A 17-hour fire engulfed six decks of the ship, nine air bombs on the flight deck detonated. The ship and its air wing completely lost their combat effectiveness, 21 burned aircraft were thrown overboard. No less terrible was the fire on the nuclear aircraft carrier Enterprise in Hawaii in 1969. The ship almost died in the exercises before being sent to Vietnam. A jet stream from an airplane accidentally hit a rack with Zuni missiles. The rockets caught fire and spontaneously took off. The result: hours of fire, fuel spills from aircraft, explosions on the flight deck, 27 dead and 120 burned sailors. Enterprise lost 15 aircraft. In 1966, on board the Oriskani aircraft carrier, a sailor carried a bunch of signal missiles, throwing extension cords over his shoulder. One of the rockets caught on for something, the cord pulled and the rocket started. The sailor threw her aside on a box with the same missiles. The rockets caught fire and scattered throughout the hangar. Killed 44 people, another 156 were injured and burned. Almost all aircraft on the hangar deck burned down.
                In 1972, the Phantom fighter landed unsuccessfully on the deck of the Midway aircraft carrier and crashed into aircraft standing on the deck. 5 dead, 23 wounded, 8 aircraft lost. But more recent examples. In 1981, the EA-6B Prauler electronic warfare aircraft landing on the deck of the Nimitz aircraft carrier crashed into a Sea King helicopter. The Spurrow rocket exploded from the fire, then another four. 14 killed, 39 wounded. Nine corsair attack aircraft, three heavy Tomcat interceptors, three S-3 Viking, A-6 Intrudur anti-submarine aircraft, as well as those responsible for the tragedy: EA-6B Prauler and Sea King helicopter burned down. In 1988, in the Arabian Sea, on board the Nimitz near the A-7E attack aircraft, the electric descent of the Vulcan six-barrel gun jammed, which fires 4000 rounds per minute. The "rebellious" gun riddled the KA-6D tanker. Kerosene spilled from its tanks, turning the plane into a fire torch. The blazing plane was pushed overboard, but before that he had time to set fire to 5 Corsair aircraft, as well as the Viking and Intruder, which were nearby. In 1991, the Nimitz (CVN-68) crashed when landing F / A-18C Hornet. The crew left the burning car, but its engines did not turn off and worked in afterburner mode. The aircraft carrier was saved by a brave mechanic who managed to climb into the cockpit and turn off the engines. During the landing on the moving aircraft carrier Avraam Lincoln, Kara Khaltgrin, the first female pilot of carrier-based aircraft, was killed. Her F-14 “Tomcat” fell into the water when landing in 1994. 1998 year. The accident on the aircraft carrier Enterprise. The EA-6B “Prauler” plane violated the controller’s ban and landed right on another plane - the S-3 “Viking.” A very recent accident: in 2011, the F / A-18C Hornet fighter-bomber exploded and burned on a catapult when it attempted to take off from the atomic carrier John S. Stennis. 10 injured were reported.
                In total, more than a hundred major accidents on American aircraft carriers have been recorded in the post-war history. In some cases, the cause of accidents is unprofessionalism or misconduct. But basically this is a consequence of the fact that aircraft carriers are the most complex engineering structures created by man. As I already wrote in one of my articles, the misfortunes pursuing aircraft carriers are caused by the overly complex design of the ship and its gigantic dimensions. This leads to systemic loss of reliability. Thousands of mechanisms, millions of parts - every second one of the structural elements breaks on the ship. One of the critical objects periodically fails - and then an avalanche-like increase in technical problems begins, leading to a complete loss of combat capability of the ship.
                Unlike conventional rocket and artillery warships, an aircraft carrier has to work with 20-ton objects (aircraft) that constantly move along the upper deck and the interior of the ship, periodically accelerating to 250 km / h. From here - a 260-meter deck, catapults, aerofinisher, an optical landing system, powerful elevators and power equipment. Aircraft are an increased source of danger: to neutralize incandescent exhaust from jet engines, tens of kilometers of cooling system pipes must be laid under the flight deck, coupled with powerful pumps. Continuous work with fire hazardous and explosive substances, which, unlike a missile cruiser or a submarine, are usually dispersed literally at every step - all this leaves its mark on the aircraft carrier design (special fuel storage measures, fire safety, ammunition elevators). A separate item is an enormous power plant with an energy extraction system for powering catapults. American aircraft carriers are not accident champions at all. The French Charles de Gaulle, the ship-disaster that almost never leaves the dry dock, firmly holds the palm here.
                And this is far from all examples, but Americans don’t worry, they don’t say disgrace and train and their ACG are present in the oceans. Regards Colleague. hi On the Internet you can find out a lot of interesting things, do not be lazy only. hi
            2. igorka357
              igorka357 6 January 2017 20: 12
              0
              Dear, I need to put a hat over the racks of one and a half cubes on the forwarder with jewelry accuracy, and I do this every shift eight times, two in two ... and what? Who studied what, they have such a job! This is for us it jewelry, and they will not be able to load the forwarder ... so do not here la la ...
              1. vovanpain
                vovanpain 6 January 2017 21: 00
                +8
                Quote: igorka357
                so don’t do it here la la ..

                Quote: igorka357
                , what are you talking about ..))?

                Dear, who are you talking to and what are you talking about request and forwarders requestand where does la la. what
                1. igorka357
                  igorka357 6 January 2017 21: 37
                  +1
                  And I’m saying that for us, landing on an aircraft carrier is a piece of jewelry, but for a pilot it should be a normal job, and the same pilot will not be able to load Ford to the maximum, just like I would land an airplane on the deck of an aircraft carrier! It was a comment on the statement about Tolboev, like he said that this is a daunting task! Tolboev himself could land the plane on the deck with his eyes closed, because he just did his job perfectly! The military man is always a professional, and the military man is not a professional, excuse me worse than the enemy!
                  1. vovanpain
                    vovanpain 6 January 2017 22: 12
                    +7
                    Quote: igorka357
                    And I’m saying that for us, landing on an aircraft carrier is a piece of jewelry, but for a pilot it should be a normal job, and the same pilot will not be able to load Ford to the maximum, just like I would land an airplane on the deck of an aircraft carrier! It was a comment on the statement about Tolboev, like he said that this is a daunting task! Tolboev himself could land the plane on the deck with his eyes closed, because he just did his job perfectly! The military man is always a professional, and the military man is not a professional, excuse me worse than the enemy!

                    Colleague, I agree with you, especially about professionals. hi I agree with you
                    Quote: igorka357
                    it’s a pre-carrier, with killed boilers, with killed finishers .. and with 70% of the killed equipment.

                    It’s not an aircraft carrier, it’s a Heavy Aircraft Carrier Missile Cruiser, and it’s already quite old, it entered service in 1991. They have long had problems with boilers, BUT Colleague, we don’t have another and it seems that we don’t expect in the near future, you yourself say:
                    Quote: igorka357
                    Dear, in Russia there is no aircraft carrier shipbuilding policy, what are you talking about ..))

                    That's what would be to build an aircraft carrier, all the same you need to have the infrastructure, the slipways remained in Nikolaev and the finances are appropriate. With finances you yourself know how we do request cut, budgets, cut. request There is only Kuzya left, and experience is being gained on him. And everyone has setbacks, he wrote about Amer’s aircraft carriers at the top, they have much more lost both planes and people, but they don’t abandon them; request Regards, Colleague! hi
                    1. igorka357
                      igorka357 7 January 2017 06: 36
                      +1
                      The Americans have more problems because they are orders of magnitude superior to our "aircraft carrier forces", they have not only several times more sorties from an aircraft carrier, but hundreds of times more! We just did not fight in the ocean, but the Americans fought ... they perfectly imagine what an AUG is in the ocean, even to destroy one of their AUGs, we will have to again collect a strike group from all fleets, and what's in the bottom line? We are a land power, the USSR did not try to develop the concept of aircraft carriers at an accelerated pace, the people there understood that we had to look for another answer ... naval missile-carrying aviation! Do you understand that we have one serious ship in each fleet, which is worth something? One 5th OPEsk spits the entire Russian Navy! Ships of the first rank do not build, right or not, then we protect the coast then the ocean power ... here and there, it is necessary to decide, rivet "Boreas" or change five thousand km of cables on Kuza, and pump millions of green money into him, and he, as he was a shortage, will stay with them! Kuzya will take up repairs and modernization for twenty years, we have diesel people repairing them for thirteen years! We do not need experience the use of aircraft carrier groups, we need experience in the use of SSBN missiles along the coast of the enemy, and deep into the territory of the country of a potential aggressor, which we all know who are .... with respect hi
                2. bouncyhunter
                  bouncyhunter 6 January 2017 21: 38
                  +6
                  Dear, who are you talking to and what are you talking about

                  It’s not clear ... If you are special - be kind, explain to the others what you mean.
                  1. igorka357
                    igorka357 7 January 2017 06: 37
                    0
                    I’m a specialist in my field, but sea pilots are special in their field .... what do you not understand?
          2. Vita vko
            Vita vko 6 January 2017 17: 36
            +4
            Quote: Stirbjorn
            it is not known what will be more effective

            Obviously, naval aviation is necessary. It is still unknown what is more effective in combat work, a mobile aircraft carrier or maintaining a stationary air base with all the security infrastructure. The main problem is to find an asymmetric option as opposed to the American super-expensive concept of creating AUG.
        2. igorka357
          igorka357 6 January 2017 20: 09
          +1
          Dear, in Russia there is no aircraft carrier shipbuilding policy, what are you talking about ..))?
    3. Titsen
      Titsen 6 January 2017 15: 41
      0
      Quote: STARPER
      Home ... men Home !!!


      It will be too early!

      Kuzya will freeze - it’s still cold in the North!

      Just warmed up in the warm seas ...
      1. OLD FART
        OLD FART 6 January 2017 16: 32
        +1
        Quote: Titsen
        Kuzya will freeze - it’s still cold in the North!

        Just warmed up in the warm seas ...

        Draw and warm ..! This is a house and all this is said ... More Baltic states, etc. a parrot on the raid ... ha ha ha .. (over F-16 of the Netherlands are already waiting for us))))) Oh, we’ll bullshit!
        1. Social Democrat
          Social Democrat 6 January 2017 17: 38
          +2
          More Baltic states, etc. on a raid a parrot


          In Europe, they laugh at Kuznetsov.
          1. co-creator
            co-creator 6 January 2017 18: 29
            +3
            Quote: Social Democrat
            In Europe, they laugh at Kuznetsov.

            And so the Britons sent their entire fleet to intercept Kuzi, right? ) Then the local Angles laughed for a long time at the Russian ships, until it turned out that they were frigates of the British Navy.
            1. igorka357
              igorka357 6 January 2017 20: 15
              +2
              This is a bike, or rather even a demotivator ... but they laughed .. so they laughed live, and there were so many humorous cartoons, and it was not Kuzyu who shaved there ... but what was underneath it, so wipe your brains and then write smart comments!
              1. co-creator
                co-creator 6 January 2017 23: 19
                0
                Quote: igorka357
                It's a bike, or rather even a demotivator.

                Sorry, this baika was present in the gland and was fixed on the film. Maybe all this was shot at Mosfilm and the ships were fake?
                You can humor as much as you like, but the entire British fleet went out to intercept and escort warrants.

                Aircraft carriers never go one at a time, an order is a battle group and says that they don’t care about Kuzya and looked for something stupid under it.
                1. igorka357
                  igorka357 7 January 2017 06: 49
                  +3
                  Stupidity froze you dear, in what hardware, which Mosfilm, didn’t the whole fleet go out, or did the British Navy Commander personally report to you? I had absolutely no idea, but Peter, and what was hidden by the water, was very interesting to the Britons and Amers! Kuzya trough, old, with dead boilers, with dead finishers! You understand what you’re talking about, there are two serious accidents with loss of aircraft for 15 sorties this is a laughing stock! We don’t know how to play football, so we need to hollow everyone out of hockey .. I hope the message is clear? There are no aircraft carriers, we don’t know how to build, so we need to develop a different direction! And we shaved shaves over Kuzey, and they neigh when we watched our planes fall overboard, and it would be better if I humored in vain, but unfortunately they were really funny ... Yes, you look at the handsome Liaoning, but after all, Kuzi’s brother .... sadness in general!
        2. gispanec
          gispanec 6 January 2017 18: 04
          +2
          Quote: STARPER
          This is a house and all this is said ... More Baltic states, etc. on a raid a parrot

          Mikhan, have you ever taught geography? ... Kuzya is going home ... and this is not the Baltic Sea with the Balts .... well, what a kapets we have an under-patriot, our Mikhan ... and "S" Ashka, you may need it only in one case .... I can whisper if interested ... well, or ask the professor, he will tell ...
      2. Vita vko
        Vita vko 6 January 2017 17: 38
        +1
        Quote: Titsen
        Kuzya will freeze

        Homes are always warmer, softer and tastier. Merry Christmas!
    4. igorka357
      igorka357 6 January 2017 20: 07
      0
      Not some, namely me among them, is not just a pre-carrier, this is a pre-carrier, with killed boilers, with killed finishers ... and with 70% of the equipment killed. Where did anyone work, how many sorties were accomplished, how many were successful, and how many didn’t end in tragedy ... do you think the tugboats go in vain with Kuzey? I don’t consider sending Kuzi to Middle-earth as Putin’s adventure, but I think the decision was rash, although he knows better! knows what he’s doing, but as a carrier Kuzya is a complete zero, at least say something!
      1. Vita vko
        Vita vko 7 January 2017 01: 29
        0
        Quote: igorka357
        , with killed boilers, with killed finishers .. and with 70% of killed equipment

        where does this information come from? although I’m far from the sea, I studied and served on many air defense systems, automated control systems and communications. Everywhere provides two and threefold reservation. Therefore, even a 50% failure of equipment on military systems is not critical and allows them to carry out combat missions. In the 90s, we generally had an unspoken rule to conduct combat work on a half-complex of the complex to save resources.
        1. igorka357
          igorka357 7 January 2017 07: 00
          0
          What is the triple reservation of the boilers ..))))? Like the boilers are out of order ... do not worry, start the second batch ...))))))? Do you rave? Like one cable did not catch the plane or broke, let it go the second one ..)))? Just rzhaka! Studied and served on many air defense systems, what’s it like? What equipment failure is that if two of the four boilers get up, the ship loses speed and cannot escape from pursuit, can’t make a sharp anti-torpedo maneuver ! If one engine fails on the T-50, the plane will fall! If the T-14 does not have one goose, it will not budge! Only those systems that are possible are backed up, try to do it to the maximum, but this is not always possible unfortunately! us on the submarine in general double duplication in some systems!
  2. NEXUS
    NEXUS 6 January 2017 12: 47
    +3
    It looks like a rotation ... I won’t be surprised if the videoconferencing group in Heimim will soon be increased.
    1. Monarchist
      Monarchist 6 January 2017 13: 06
      +2
      Satan hurts me with a shovel, if the "well-wishers" like your suggestion
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 6 January 2017 13: 14
        +4
        Quote: Monarchist
        Satan hurts me with a shovel, if the "well-wishers" like your suggestion

        I'm afraid to suppose, but there is an opinion that soon new frigates will be sent there, and maybe corvettes ... and Racca needs to be taken, and for this we need a good density of flights of our airborne forces. But let's see ...
        1. mareco
          mareco 6 January 2017 14: 28
          +3
          They won’t take our Raqqa. And there are not enough planes, and most importantly, the quality of the Syrian units. The Kurds will take it. They are fighting more successfully, come closer, and NATO can use much more aircraft than ours.
          If we talk about the front against ISIS, then you need to recapture Palmyra and the oil around. Further, it will not only depend on us, but on Trump and his friends.
          1. Lynch
            Lynch 6 January 2017 16: 28
            0
            Well, it's hard to say about the "Kurds", Erdogan is clearly not going to like it (regardless of what kind of formations and ethnic groups they are), and ours may have their own agreements with Turkey and Iran, and it is unlikely that they include providing such opportunities ( control of new territories and large cities) "Kurds".
    2. himRa
      himRa 6 January 2017 13: 11
      +6
      I agree it is like fishing! laughing you feel that you’ve caught a big fish, you’re afraid that it will break, you start playing with it, then you will slightly lower it, then you will pull the fishing line .. lyrics! winked
      rotation of troops and equipment is necessary, as well as a demonstration of peace-loving policies to the world community
    3. g1v2
      g1v2 6 January 2017 21: 52
      +3
      Kuzya was sent during the battle for Aleppo, as a medicine for stupidity for the Turks and mattresses. They thrashed their tongues too much, threatening to strike at the Syrian army, and given the bombing of the army under the DEZ, this had to be taken seriously. The battle for Aleppo was won, force majeure did not happen - so Kuzya and Petya completed their task. I said in the fall that as soon as the battle for Aleppo is over, Kuzya will be sent home. It turned out to be right. hi
  3. alekc73
    alekc73 6 January 2017 12: 54
    +1
    Why not leave Kuznetsov until spring. In the north, difficult conditions for basing.
    1. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 6 January 2017 12: 58
      +3
      But there are opportunities to carry out scheduled repairs.
      1. igorka357
        igorka357 6 January 2017 20: 17
        +2
        About thirteen years ..))? Although thirteen diesels are being repaired, we’ll put Kuzyu at 25 ..)))
    2. hrych
      hrych 6 January 2017 12: 59
      +2
      Because the main work of Kuzi and Peter is domination in the Arctic, plus covering our submarine missile carriers.
      1. Vladimir Postnikov
        Vladimir Postnikov 6 January 2017 14: 13
        +3
        Quote: hrych
        the main work of Kuzi and Peter is domination in the Arctic

        No comment.
    3. Stas157
      Stas157 6 January 2017 13: 02
      +7
      Quote: alekc73
      Why not leave Kuznetsov until spring. In the north, difficult conditions for basing.

      It was announced that the aircraft carrier would be at least until spring. And once returned, this is obviously due to the loss of two aircraft. Could probably not guarantee the failure-free operation of the aerofinisher, in the future, at least until the spring. Correctly done. Do not aggravate. Although early return is associated with loss of face, but you need to be able to cut losses.
      1. Vladimir Postnikov
        Vladimir Postnikov 6 January 2017 14: 27
        +7
        You should start with why they sent him there. It is clear to everyone that the conduct of hostilities in Syria did not require the presence of an aircraft carrier. In the fall of 2015, when the Americans withdrew their only aircraft carrier from this region, a little noise rose in the American press. Pentagon officials replied that the number of sorties from this aircraft carrier was 20%. If required, these 20 percent can be easily offset by an increase in air force aircraft. And the noise stopped.
        In other words, Kuzya was not sent to Syria for this. I went, and okay. Nothing to do there until spring. Paying "military" ones, supplying, guarding is not a cheap pleasure. Kuzya is no longer needed, Petya is not needed either. It is an expensive pleasure to keep them until the warm days come north.
        But in Syria, nothing ended. In Syria, everything is just beginning.
        1. servant.
          servant. 6 January 2017 16: 42
          0
          went off and that’s good ... the flag showed-wonderful! If you punish all the gouging who sent an incomplete ship with an unfinished crew, everything will be fair! For 2 aircraft, someone must answer!
          1. Vladimir Postnikov
            Vladimir Postnikov 6 January 2017 18: 03
            0
            Everything. Officially announced that Kuzya and Petya are leaving today. The planes that are on the shore will go home on their own, I suppose. It is possible that right to the Crimea. They now have the place there. All the rest will take off at home, and also to the Crimea. In Crimea, they will train and be on duty while Kuzyu will be modernized. You should return in the same way. Do not change the route.
      2. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 6 January 2017 14: 55
        +1
        Quote: Stas157
        It was announced that the aircraft carrier would be at least until spring. And once returned, this is obviously due to the loss of two aircraft. Could probably not guarantee the failure-free operation of the aerofinisher, in the future, at least until the spring. Correctly done. Do not aggravate. Although early return is associated with loss of face, but you need to be able to cut losses.

        Naturally, after the second loss, departures from ground bases continued - why then should the ship hang out ?!
      3. Lynch
        Lynch 6 January 2017 16: 43
        +2
        Or maybe it makes no sense to whip up and look for negative everywhere. The exact timing of the departure was not initially named, so it is quite possible that the situation is planned. Plus, there is now "another reconciliation" and it was announced:
        The Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation Sergey Shoigu said that the conditions for reducing the grouping of forces in Syria have already been created. According to him, the opportunity to reduce the military presence in this country has already appeared.

        And they decided to send home a ship group in order to create the appearance for the world community that Russia is ready to reconcile with all its might and is ready to support it, despite the cries of the media bought. And fighters with bombers will not touch or even increase the air group.
  4. Monarchist
    Monarchist 6 January 2017 13: 04
    +3
    Grandfather "Kuzya" worked in Syria, Barmaleev got some sense and it's time to go home. Information flashed that after the Ustinov got out of repair, the Kuzya would be put under the scheduled repair. And "Marshal Ustinov" last year returned from repairs ..
    I believe there will be "Grigorovich" and someone else,
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 6 January 2017 13: 49
      +3
      Ustinov and Kuzya are in no way connected.

      If we go here (that is, not just repair in the base, but a long modernization in the pool), then we need to tie it to Nakhimov. It is he who is the only suitable place.
    2. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 6 January 2017 14: 59
      0
      Quote: Monarchist
      I believe there will be "Grigorovich" and someone else,

      Grigorovich on December 19 was already in Sevastopol
  5. huntsman650
    huntsman650 6 January 2017 13: 56
    +3
    With a shield or on a shield. As our commander said, "Deal with it. The innocent will be punished. Those who do not participate will be encouraged."
    1. OLD FART
      OLD FART 6 January 2017 16: 05
      +1
      Quote: huntsman650
      With a shield or on a shield. As our commander said, "Deal with it. The innocent will be punished. Those who do not participate will be encouraged."

      good laughing As on our site, about ........))) In general, this trip was very necessary to the shores of Syria! !!!! Militarily, not really, but politically, it was very necessary ..! Just remember how he was "doused" along the way ..))) And he reached the shores of Syria and completed the task! Honor and praise !!! soldier
      1. Lynch
        Lynch 6 January 2017 16: 46
        0
        And NATO's "modern super-frigates" half returned in tow)
  6. Alexandr2637
    Alexandr2637 6 January 2017 17: 16
    +1
    But what about Palmyra?
    Or just report victories on the zombies?
  7. alexmach
    alexmach 6 January 2017 17: 35
    +1
    So, I didn’t understand, but what about the BOD that was going with him in the convoy? one has long gone to the side of the house, how about the second?
    1. Vladimir Postnikov
      Vladimir Postnikov 6 January 2017 18: 43
      0
      And what is there to do BOD after Petya’s departure with Kuze?
      1. alexmach
        alexmach 6 January 2017 19: 11
        +1
        Well .... to carry out anti-submarine work, the ship then remains there ...
        Another thing is that in the north this work also needs to be done.