In 2017, the VKS of the Russian Federation will be replenished with modernized bombers and five T-50 fighters

This year, regarding aviation The aerospace forces will receive 5 modernized strategic aviation systems, the Russian Defense Ministry said.

In 2016, long-range aviation compounds have replenished with two upgraded missile carriers Tu-160 and two Tu-95MS.

“During the past year, the pilots Tu-160 and Tu-95MS increased the number of flights with refueling in the air by 10%. The maximum number of aircrews was trained to carry out practical launches of air-based cruise missiles, including young crews, ”the report says.

In addition, this year the 5 of the newest T-50 (PAK FA) fighters will arrive in the air units.

“In 2017, the aviation units of the VKS will receive over one hundred units of the latest combat equipment. Including - five fighters T-50 ", - told in the department.

Earlier, the Chief of the General Staff - First Deputy Commander of the Aermed Space Forces, Pavel Kurachenko, said that by 2020 g aviation connections expect new aircraft and helicopters to arrive over 900, the same number will be repaired.

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[NEXUS]

In addition, this year 5 of the latest T-50 fighters (PAK FA) will arrive in the air units

Good luck. And so that in a good series in the future. And in 18, God forbid, and product 30 will bring to mind.

[bouncyhunter]

I support. T-50 is waiting for a long time! Yes, and we hope for 30.

[OLD FART]

They will also serve Russia ...!

In addition, this year the 5 of the newest T-50 (PAK FA) fighters will arrive in the air units.

But this is already interesting ... A series has gone ..?

[NEXUS]

Quote: STARPER

Got a series ..?

According to the military-industrial complex (MIC), in 2017, the Russian Aerospace Forces (VKS) will be armed with the five latest T-50 fighters (PAK FA). In addition, this year the Russian army will replenish with more than a hundred aircraft of various types.

The military-industrial complex noted that the first delivery of fifth-generation multipurpose fighters will be made in accordance with the current contract, and only after the military vehicles pass state tests. With the successful implementation of all requirements in Russia, serial production of PAK FA will begin, ...
Source: https://newinform.com/41088-pyat-istrebitelei-pak
-fa-postupyat-na-vooruzhenie-vks-rf-v-2017-godu

[cniza]

Earlier, the Chief of the General Staff - First Deputy Commander of the Aermed Space Forces, Pavel Kurachenko, said that by 2020 g aviation connections expect new aircraft and helicopters to arrive over 900, the same number will be repaired.

If I understood correctly: a total of 1800 - solid.

[NEXUS]

Quote: cniza

If I understood correctly: a total of 1800 - solid.

An interesting moment I recently learned ... the developers of PAK FA in the future want to completely abandon the external suspension of the T-50 in order to make it as inconspicuous as possible. Apparently therefore, the internal compartments of the PAK FA are the largest in the class of fighters of the 5th generation.

[tomket]

The biggest were supposed to be on the MiG 1.44

[NEXUS]

Quote: tomket

The biggest were supposed to be on the MiG 1.44

Now, the Mikoyan residents, on the basis of works on MIG-1.42 and 1.44, are developing initiative 5th generation LFIs. I think that the developments on the PAK FA will be used, which means that the work should advance faster. But the MIG Design Bureau has yet another complex project: a new long-range interceptor to replace the MIG-31. And there the story will be more complicated.

[tomket]

As for the LFI, it is doubtful that the 1.44 would be lightweight, and even stealth. All the same, the aerodynamic design does not contribute. From pack fa for lfi it is also difficult to take something. And to replace the moment -31 was in the short term the moment -31м, in the long run the same moment 1.44

[NEXUS]

Quote: tomket

As for the LFI, it is doubtful whether lightweight based on 1.44

I'm not talking about "on the basis", but taking into account the developments on MIG-1.44.

Quote: tomket

.All the same, the aerodynamic design does not contribute.

Did I say that our LFI will be according to the "duck" scheme?

Quote: tomket

From pack fa for lfi it is also difficult to take something.

Well, why? For example, the first thing that comes to mind is the expanded use of composites ...

Quote: tomket

And to replace the twinkle -31 was in the short term twinkle -31m

31 is already being upgraded, but I'm talking about a completely new program called PAK DP (long-range interceptor). In the West it is called MIG-41.

[tomket]

Quote: NEXUS

I'm not talking about "on the basis", but taking into account the developments on MIG-1.44.

Yes, what are the developments there. The project was destroyed almost at the beginning.

Quote: NEXUS

Well, why? For example, the first thing that comes to mind is the expanded use of composites ...

Now they are already making judicious use of composites, and rightly so.

Quote: NEXUS

31 is already being upgraded, but I'm talking about a completely new program called PAK DP (long-range interceptor). In the West it is called MIG-41.

Upgraded MiG-31БМ to MiG-31М as you yourself know in what way to the moon.

Quote: NEXUS

but I'm talking about a completely new program, which is called as PAK DP (long-range interceptor).

More like Wishlist than real work on the project.

Quote: NEXUS

In the west it is called MIG-41.

In the West, they do not write any kind of nonsense. Let's recall the MiG-28 from Top Ghana.

[NEXUS]

Quote: tomket

Yes, what are the developments there. The project was destroyed almost at the beginning.

There was a flying prototype ...

Quote: tomket

More like Wishlist than real work on the project.

Remind you how old the MIG-31 has been in the service or will you take an interest in it? Replacing the MIG-31-m is already brewing. But upgrading it to blue is also not an option. And the need to create PAK DP lies on the surface. Here the question is not a whim, but a vital necessity.
By the way, the Mikoyanites casually announced work on a new interceptor.

[mav1971]

Quote: NEXUS

Now, the Mikoyan residents, on the basis of works on the MIG-1.42 and 1.44, proactively develop 5 generation LFIs.

Andrew!
With NG!
New Year has come, and you are all too optimistic.
The development of an 5 generation aircraft costs tens of billions of dollars.
The development of an 4 generation aircraft costs billions of dollars.

Question to the studio:
What is proactive (that is, without full-scale state funding) - can be developed?

Given the complete absence in the MiG design bureau of modern design in view of the almost 30-year hiatus in the development and design of real combat missions and the departure / dispersal / lack of generational change?

I’ll answer for you - only a model model with a beautiful design ...

no developments on other projects. old / old - will not help.
Each aircraft is individual, it will not help the transfer of all technical documentation from the Sukhoi Design Bureau in any way, for example.
Benefits will be no more than 3-5% ...

[NEXUS]

Quote: mav1971

Andrew!
With NG!

And Happy New Year to you, Alexey!

Quote: mav1971

and you are all too optimistic.

It’s boring to live without optimism.

Quote: mav1971

What is proactive (that is, without full-scale state funding) - can be developed?
Given the complete absence in the MiG design bureau of modern design in view of the almost 30-year hiatus in the development and design of real combat missions and the departure / dispersal / lack of generational change?

You can, Lesha, you can ... there were enough examples in the USSR. Yes, I know that in fact, you think that Mikoyan’s design bureau is dead or somewhere near this line ... but ... I don’t think so. The 31st are being modernized, the 29th is also (taking into account the 35th) ... that is, people are working and trying.
Yes, I know that you will say that this whole modernization and development of the MIG-35, which is essentially the same 29th, is all a drop in the bucket ... but there is one point that convinces me that all the same everything is not as it seems ... this is a project of PAK DP. The project of the level of resuscitation of the production of TU-160M2 ... The fact that the new interceptor is being developed was first announced by Western services, and then ours confirmed and that's all, dumb as in a tank. What kind of aircraft it is, what it is, what performance characteristics are not known. Perhaps it will be unmanned, as the speed characteristic from 4 to 4,5 max is declared ...
As for the new LFI ... so we are all interested in this, as fighter export aviation consists of 70% of the LFI ... so my optimism is not entirely far-fetched.

[HAPA]

Quote: NEXUS

An interesting moment I recently learned ... the developers of PAK FA in the future want to completely abandon the external suspension of the T-50 in order to make it as inconspicuous as possible. Apparently therefore, the internal compartments of the PAK FA are the largest in the class of fighters of the 5th generation.

And what are its sizes? Not on pictures from the Internet.
It has never been demonstrated, and you are already writing about the largest ... How's that? There is not even an official number of rockets inside.

Quote: NEXUS

And in 18, God forbid, and product 30 will bring to mind.

What is it like ? if he fly only in the 4th quarter of 2017 and then according to the promise. The engine has been adjusted for years at a flying laboratory. 2-3 years, this would be a great result before mass production.

[NEXUS]

Quote: HAPA

There is not even an official number of rockets inside.

From 8 to 10. I guess, probably 10.

Quote: HAPA

And what are its sizes?

Unlike competitors of 5th generation fighters, the PAK FA engines are spaced apart, while taking the same Raptor, it also has 8 points of internal suspension, but it’s dimensionally smaller, the compartments are smaller than the PAK FA ...

Quote: HAPA

The engine has been adjusted for years at a flying laboratory.

Dear, the development of the engine (product 30) began back in 2013 ... and now it has been announced that product 30 will begin to undergo flight tests in the 4th quarter of 17 ... which is not clear then?

[HAPA]

Quote: NEXUS

Dear, the development of the engine (product 30) began back in 2013 ... and now it has been announced that product 30 will begin to undergo flight tests in the 4th quarter of 17 ... which is not clear then?

all clear. How can you improve the engine for the quarter? "that the product 30 will begin to undergo flight tests in the 4th quarter of 17" flight tests take several years (as at the time for the Su-27) This is the norm.
"The material says that on November 11, the second stage engine for the newest Russian aircraft (5th generation) was first launched at the A. Lyulka Experimental Design Bureau (OKB) (Moscow, a branch of UMPO PJSC)."
this is not even to mention the several thousand hours necessary for the stand (about 5000 hours).

Quote: NEXUS

Unlike competitors of 5th generation fighters, the PAK FA engines are spaced apart, while taking the same Raptor, it also has 8 points of internal suspension, but it’s dimensionally smaller, the compartments are smaller than the PAK FA ...

And suddenly more .... So where are the sizes?
So you write that 8 and some write
"Insiders on the internal placement of weapons on the T-50 wrote literally the following:
"there are four compartments, none of them can accommodate more than two missiles" (c) and "you will still be surprised how we placed the missiles" "

Quote: NEXUS

From 8 to 10. I guess, probably 10.

And based on what data?
I believe 4 for DVB and 2 for BVB.
Based on the size of the missiles.

Well, about the series. T-50-8
"Again for flight tests?. KS-P, KS-O, KS-V,. KS-U, Rls (?), RPM, no. And they promise a series in 2017 ..."

[NEXUS]

Quote: HAPA

"The material says that on November 11, the second stage engine for the newest Russian aircraft (5th generation) was first launched at the A. Lyulka Experimental Design Bureau (OKB) (Moscow, a branch of UMPO PJSC)."
this is not even to mention the several thousand hours necessary for the stand (about 5000 hours).

At the stand, product 30, if sclerosis doesn’t fail me, have been chased since the age of 15 ....

Quote: HAPA

"there are four compartments, none of them can accommodate more than two missiles" (c) and "you will still be surprised how we placed the missiles" "

Quote: HAPA

I believe 4 for DVB and 2 for BVB.
Based on the size of the missiles.

I’ll ask you in your own manner ... what size do you come from? From the dimension of missiles, (many of which are still being tested and brought up), or from the dimension of the fighter as a whole, or the dimension of the compartments themselves?
It is logical to come to the conclusion that the PAK FA, by definition, has a larger internal suspension than the same F-35, which is significantly smaller than our IFI. At the same time, we can recall how our developers position the T-50 as a direct competitor to the F-22, and not the F-35 ...

[HAPA]

Quote: NEXUS

It is logical to come to the conclusion that the PAK FA, by definition, has a quantitatively higher internal suspension than the same F-35, which is significantly smaller than our IFI

So where are the sizes? Since you claim that they are smaller. Although in general, here you are right because the PAK-FA is much more than the F-35. And about which MFI?

Quote: NEXUS

I’ll ask you in your own manner ... what size do you come from? From the dimension of the missiles, (many of which are still being tested and developed), or from the dimension of the fighter as a whole, or the dimension of the compartments themselves

Insad I wrote. base rvv-sd

Quote: NEXUS

the prototype of the “second stage engine" for the T-50 is in production, and is being tested at the stand the inner contour of this promising turbofan. Ground test engine demonstrator will begin this summer.

Exactly. Experienced the demonstrator. This is the very first part.
Here is an example of an ADVENT engine (next generation engine conditionally 6).
Demonstrator (inner / hot) 2012

2016 engine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=is1BBilkyUM
at the stand

This is the average time to work with the new engine.
First flight 2018. series 2020-22

ps about the promises "pak-fa was promised to be put into service in 2015. Now it is already 2017. There is not even mass production yet, delivery to arms before 2019 ... is unlikely

[NEXUS]

HAPA

Although in general, here you are right because the PAK-FA is much more than the F-35.

And about which MFI?

And PAK FA in your opinion is not an MFI?

Quote: HAPA

Insad I wrote. base rvv-sd

I do not agree with the opinion that only 50-4 missiles "fit" into the internal compartments of the T-6 ... this is simply not logical. At least, the PAK FA will have no less than the Raptor's internal suspension points, which is 8 missiles. But I suppose, all the same, that there will be at least 10 of them, as I said earlier that the developers want to abandon the external suspension, while I do not think that to the detriment of the fighter's armament.

Quote: HAPA

Exactly. Experienced the demonstrator. This is the very first part.

So the flight tests will already begin this year ... I believe that they will run it in for two years, and accordingly in the 18th year (possibly at the beginning of the 19th year), they will begin to put it on production cars.
At the same time, I came across infa that before the age of 20, our VKS will receive 55 serial PAK FA ... God forbid, if so ...

[HAPA]

NEXUS,

Quote: NEXUS

Where does this information come from? Insiders again?

uh, they immediately said it. Yes, and it is clear that he is not.
So he
101 KS-N (N - ground) - hanging sighting container

[NEXUS]

Quote: HAPA

Well, about the series. T-50-8

Quote: HAPA

And they promise a series in 2017 ... "

According to the general designer - director of the engine design bureau named after A. Lyulki (branch of the Ufa Motor Plant), the prototype of the “second stage engine” for the T-50 is in production, and the internal circuit of this promising turbofan is tested at the stand. Ground test engine demonstrator will begin this summer.
The first flight of the T-50 (Advanced Frontline Aviation Complex) with a “second stage engine” will take place at the end of 2017, or at the beginning of 2018, while the T-50 will be used as a flying laboratory.
The engine of the second stage will be installed on later batches of PAK FA. Not much is known about the new power plant. Earlier it was reported that the “Product 30” will differ from the AL-41F1 in increased traction, as well as higher fuel efficiency. Presumably, the second stage engine will be able to develop thrust of 107 kilonewtons in cruising flight mode and 176 kilonewtons in afterburner mode. In addition, the overhaul life is likely to be significantly increased.

[HAPA]

Quote: NEXUS

And PAK FA in your opinion is not an MFI?

approx.
Although it is imprisoned in the air. since there is no integrated sighting system. .

Quote: NEXUS

I do not agree with the opinion that only 50-4 missiles "fit" into the internal compartments of the T-6 ... this is simply not logical. At least, the PAK FA will have no less than the Raptor's internal suspension points, which is 8 missiles. But I suppose, all the same, that there will be at least 10 of them, as I said earlier that the developers want to abandon the external suspension, while I do not think that to the detriment of the fighter's armament.

Here's the funny thing. More likely that will be as I wrote.
You can even argue. And you will assume that the Pak-fa has little weapons (and this will not be correct). Right now you often write about 10 missiles, but there will be fewer of them and they will write "pak-fagov", etc.
But it’s just fine. For starters, 4 rockets for DVB is good. This + is the normal load in the configuration for gaining superiority in the sky for 4 generations.
The same F-22 started the same way.
Well, about the rejection of the external. Photos look how much time they are given what kind of failure ???

[NEXUS]

Quote: HAPA

Although it is imprisoned in the air. since there is no integrated sighting system.

Where does this information come from? Insiders again?

Quote: HAPA

More likely that will be as I wrote.

Wait and see...

[parkello]

external pylons are also useful, I think, for the PTB, so that going to the lines of attack could drop them and further solve the problem on the internal volume of fuel. if there isn’t, for example, a jump airfield, then external PTBs will help you out, although the rocket and bomb load will have to be reduced a little, but still this is better than risking a tanker and crew.

[jaroff]

I think that they will make everything much simpler: those T-50s that are currently in flight tests. With the exception of the first three, plus one, at best, two cars (T-50-9 and T-50-10), formally they will be handed over to the VKS, and they will continue testing. Formally, the machines will be in service with the VKS, but in fact they will be operated by industry.

[DanSabaka]

About the T-50, I won’t say anything new, but here’s another IL-38N in our Zhukovsky today. The sound of his engines, I already habitually recognize by ear, often hear when I walk my dogs near the LII .... First I hear, and then I read to the VO about the next modernized copy adopted by the Navy ....

[oleg-gr]

Curious how this generation of Dryers will be called? Su-50 or otherwise?

[NEXUS]

Quote: oleg-gr

Curious how this generation of Dryers will be called? Su-50 or otherwise?

The abbreviation is given to the product when it goes into series ... I think either the SU-50 or the SU-40 ... but most likely the first.

[ver_]

... as Sukhodrishchev said - God forbid .. God forbid ..

[svp67]

FIVE is some kind of magic number in 2017?
FIVE T-50 is excellent. "The Magnificent Five", but it is more of a link and less of a squadron ... somehow not here and not here. It would be more logical to somehow adhere to the regular structures when delivering to the troops.

[Muvka]

I think they are more for learning. The plane is new ...

[NEXUS]

Quote: svp67

FIVE T-50 is excellent. "The Magnificent Five", but it is more flight and less squadron

This five is for military trials ... after, a series will go, taking into account improvements based on the results of these tests.

[Thomas is not a believer]

Hi Nexus!

Five fighters and no more, this is because it is necessary to hold the World Cup for something else. Stadiums to build and generally contain oligarchs, offshore. Therefore, money was left only for 5 aircraft.
Need to understand
Mundial in one word

[St Petrov]

Therefore, money was left only for 5 aircraft.

how simple everything is for Thomas Why think? And so it goes!)

Is it hard to live like Wofke in the Far Far Away Kingdom?)

[Knight Rider]

These five T-50s will most likely be for testing, and not for rearmament. According to plans, in 2018, tests of the 2nd stage engine on an airplane will begin. So until 2020, do not expect large-scale production of new fifth-generation fighters and their deliveries to combat units

[NEXUS]

Quote: KnightRider

According to plans, in 2018, tests of the 2nd stage engine on an airplane will begin

Already gone ... tests will begin in the 4th quarter of 17 ... a couple of months, but still ...

[Muvka]

Tests of the new engine have long been underway, as it were. Only in the air he still did not rise.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Muvka

Tests of the new engine have long been underway, as it were. Only in the air he still did not rise.

I'm talking about flight tests ... and so, yes, since 2013, if sclerosis doesn’t fail me.

[mav1971]

Quote: Muvka

Tests of the new engine have long been underway, as it were. Only in the air he still did not rise.

Not the engine - but the components of the engine.
It has only recently been put together in a mock-up.
Until the 20 year, there will be no serial engine.
And even before the 22 year.

[Odysseus]

Modernization of 5 bombers is quite real.
5 T-50.-It is doubtful, given that in 2016 there were two. Moreover, these were the first prototypes of the second stage. There is still a lot of work.
However, let's see if they really do 5-it will be just gorgeous.

[Muvka]

That's it - prototypes. They were made taking into account improvements. And here will be ready-made according to one scheme without innovations.

[Odysseus]

Quote: Muvka

That's it - prototypes. They were made taking into account improvements. And here will be ready-made according to one scheme without innovations.

Duc, I’ll only be glad. It’s just better to overdo it than to overdo it. Especially under capitalism when public opinion is hysterical. For example, now they say 5 planes, put 3 and everyone will immediately shout the guard and look for traitors.
Therefore, I try to cool excessive optimism whenever possible. And then it's nice to be surprised)))

[tomket]

And what is the problem of putting t-50 without a piece of equipment? There was such a practice in the USSR.

[Odysseus]

Quote: tomket

And what is the problem of putting the t-50 without a piece of equipment?

No problem, but for this you need to launch it into series. So far we have 2 prototypes of the second stage made after significant improvements. The next few boards will also be "experimental".

Quote: tomket

There was such a practice in the USSR.

Not only in the USSR. This, in general, is common practice. Of the latest examples, the F-35.

[Vadim237]

Most likely, the MO will purchase T 50 in a limited batch, since work on the sixth generation is already in full swing, it will take off in 7 - 9 years.

[Odysseus]

Quote: Vadim237

Most likely, the MO will purchase T 50 in a limited batch, since work on the sixth generation is already in full swing, it will take off in 7 - 9 years.

Sorry, but I do not really believe in the imminent coming of the 6th generation.
But if you have more accurate information, then I can’t argue. I will be glad to make a mistake.

[Knight Rider]

“In 2017, the aviation units of the VKS will receive over one hundred units of the latest combat equipment. Including - five fighters T-50 ", - told in the department.
Over one hundred units, we have stably received the last three to four years at least. Good! .. And this year, the Su-30SM and Su-34 will have a personal anniversary: ​​the number of produced serial aircraft of these types will exceed 100 units

[tomket]

Su -30 CM is perhaps the best that is now delivered to the videoconferencing system.

[NEXUS]

Quote: tomket

Su -30 CM is perhaps the best that is now delivered to the videoconferencing system.

You are mistaken ... SU-35S will be more powerful.

[tomket]

The Su 35s was criticized for being "damp."

[NEXUS]

Quote: tomket

The Su 35s was criticized for being "damp."

And what is this dampness, if it is already exported?

[tomket]

Quote: NEXUS

And what is this dampness, if it is already exported?

Except for China, which is interested to see how it is arranged, and not how it flies, who else was put?

[NEXUS]

Quote: tomket

Except for China, which is interested to see how it is arranged, and not how it flies, who else was put?

The Su-35S has just been exported ... so what is its "dampness" then? At the same time, he passed state tests and we already have more than half a hundred of these machines in the army, and by the 20th year there will be about a hundred of them.

[Sotskiy]

“In 2017, the aviation units of the aerospace forces will receive over one hundred units of the latest military equipment. Including - five T-50 fighters "

At last! Once the receipts went, then the tests were completed successfully, unlike the American F-35. Now we would have to level the numbers.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Sovetskiy

Since the receipts went, then the tests were completed successfully

These are military tests ... that is, according to the recommendations of the CONSTRUCTION pilots, some changes will be made and then a series will begin.

Quote: Sovetskiy

Now it would be equal in number.

PAK FA can never be compared in number with the F-35. Car classes are different. Our heavy IFI, and the F-35 lightweight fighter-bomber. At the same time, quantitatively, there is no sense in competing with the NATO Air Force in total ... stupidly tearing ourselves. You just need to carry out the rearmament program without fuss and dust.

[Muvka]

And take into service the Frontier and Sarmatian. This is the best answer for at least 20000 F-35s.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Muvka

And take into service the Frontier and Sarmatian. This is the best answer for at least 20000 F-35s.

In the short term, Barguzin and Rubezh. Sarmat will be brought up to the 20th year. As long as there is time, the terms of the Voivode have been extended to the 20th year.

[tomket]

And why is it going to blow up? Remind me what was the fleet in the USSR?

[NEXUS]

Quote: tomket

And why is it going to blow up?

Because there are 27 countries in NATO and almost every one produces its own weapons. As for the fighters, and financially compete then the navel will untie. And besides the PAK FA program, for example, the restoration of TU-160M2 production, the re-equipment of the fleet, the Almaty program (followed by serial production), etc. ... where does the money come from, Zin?

Quote: tomket

Remind me what was the fleet in the USSR?

Remind me how many republics and states worked for our defense industry then?

[tomket]

Quote: NEXUS

Remind me how many republics and states worked for our defense industry then?

Well, yes, tales and legends still go about the quality of Georgian aircraft.

[NEXUS]

Quote: tomket

Well, yes, tales and legends still go about the quality of Georgian aircraft.

You can scribble as much as you like, but there is one such figure, so that you don’t want to poke fun ... in the USSR there were 24000 defense design bureaus and enterprises ... now there are about 1300 in the Russian Federation ... and now laugh if you want.
By the way, while some republics worked on the defense of the country, others fed the country, dressed, and so on ...

[sharp-lad]

That's what they called globalization in Soviet times - the distribution of labor among the republics and regions of the motherland.

[Vadim237]

We’ll tear ourselves over because a fifth-generation aircraft costs under 4 billion rubles apiece — 120–140 of them will be purchased at most.

[Sotskiy]

Quote: NEXUS

You just need to carry out the rearmament program without fuss and dust.

And who is against it?

Quote: NEXUS

Car classes are different. Our heavy IFI, and the F-35 lightweight fighter-bomber.

Well, if we take on the "weight" we have that, when was there a problem with the metal? (Joke)
We have more problems with the logistics of production, from there a small number of units collected.

Quote: NEXUS

At the same time, quantitatively, it makes no sense to compete with the NATO Air Force in total ... stupidly torn

Everyone understands this intellectually, but one always wants balance, somehow calmer with balance and parity. Because the memory of the 41st probably sits at each subcortical level, when the whole of Europe rushed with all the military power united in one fist (not an analogue of the future of NATO?) To the USSR. And how many losses did the USSR suffer compared to all of Europe? And I don’t feel like repeating something. For this I want more modern and tanks, planes and ships.

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: Sovetskiy

Once the receipts went, then the tests were completed successfully, unlike the American F-35.

Yeah, the F-35s are so unsuccessful that they already exported.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Stirbjorn

Yeah, the F-35s are so unsuccessful that they already exported.

At the same time, Trump already speaks black in Russian that it would be necessary to curtail the F-35 program.

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: NEXUS

At the same time, Trump already speaks black in Russian that it would be necessary to curtail the F-35 program. wassat

Nothing of the kind - he has doubts about the cost, but not a word about curtailing the program. Will they switch to F-22? There’s still no choice

[NEXUS]

Quote: Stirbjorn

Will they switch to F-22? There’s still no choice

You know, in all honesty, I would really curtail the F-35 program and concentrate all efforts on resuscitation of the Raptor assembly line with the simultaneous modernization of these fighters.

[HAPA]

Quote: NEXUS

Quote: Stirbjorn

Will they switch to F-22? There’s still no choice

You know, in all honesty, I would really curtail the F-35 program and concentrate all efforts on resuscitation of the Raptor assembly line with the simultaneous modernization of these fighters.

"I wrote too much"
How will the F-22 carry anti-ship missiles, or bombs over 500kg? Or laser-guided bombs? Iel AGM-XX?
F-22 and F-35 are completely different planes. This is basic knowledge, well, at least a little bit learn the topic of the Air Force.
Yes, and why close the F-35 if it is cheaper than the F-15E and a little more expensive than whose F-18EF

[NEXUS]

Quote: HAPA

F-22 and F-35 are completely different planes. This is basic knowledge, well, at least a little bit learn the topic of the Air Force.

Dear, I know perfectly well that these are different cars, both in class and in size ... No need to be clever ...

Quote: HAPA

Yes, and why close the F-35 if it is cheaper than the F-15E and a little more expensive than whose F-18EF

Then, that the F-15 and F-18 are inferior to the 35th only in stealth, and then, I think, temporarily ... but otherwise, for me, the 35th is a dubious replacement for such tried and tested fighters ...
As for the restoration of the line of assembly of the dinosaurs, then, I think, the money spent on the F-35 program would be much more useful to use it to resume the production of the Raptor ... and tell me, where does the class of cars, if it comes to money? must be able, not clever ...

[HAPA]

Quote: NEXUS

Then, that the F-15 and F-18 are inferior to the 35th only in stealth, and then, I think, temporarily ... but otherwise, for me, the 35th is a dubious replacement for such tried and tested fighters ...

F-18 in speed, acceleration, disposable overloads (9, vs 7,5), in available attack angles, in combat radius with a similar load. For the life of a glider, 6000 hours or the F-18ef and F-35 8000h. And maybe a little more expensive than the F-18EF
And the F-15E is more expensive than the F-35.
and in and DVB will be worse.

Quote: NEXUS

As for the restoration of the line of assembly of the dinosaurs, then, I think, the money spent on the F-35 program would be much more useful to use it to resume the production of the Raptor ... and tell me, where does the class of cars, if it comes to money? must be able, not clever ...

And who will carry out attacks on the earth / water, to carry out support of troops? F-22?

[NEXUS]

Quote: HAPA

And who will carry out attacks on the earth / water, to carry out support of troops? F-22?

Why not? The raptors themselves position the mattresses as MFIs ... or do they need them right now and in order to slander someone?

[HAPA]

Quote: NEXUS

Why not? The raptors themselves position the mattresses as MFIs ... or do they need them right now and in order to slander someone?

He does not have such weapons and will not ..
Do not need. He has other tasks. Radar and other highly important objects are still yes. But not more. Two types of bombs.

Quote: NEXUS

So the flight tests will already begin this year ... I believe that they will run it in for two years, and accordingly in the 18th year (possibly at the beginning of the 19th year), they will begin to put it on production cars.

at the end of 2017 and this is by promise. And from this period to the series, it happens at best in year 3. New engines are not made faster.

[Sotskiy]

Quote: Stirbjorn

Yeah, the F-35s are so unsuccessful that they already exported.

Well, the Americans are PR masters, they certainly will not refuse! Yes, and the costs from the development and production of your "push-push" somehow need to be extinguished at the expense of "friends"
By the way, does NATO have any other procurement alternative? It’s not Russia who wants to buy weapons.

[Zomanus]

Well, the T-50 seems to be on old engines for now.
But this is enough to begin to work out all sorts of things on them.
Well, what about the strategists, so there is only to update the stuffing,
You won’t do anything else.

[commbatant]

In the current year, the 5 of the upgraded strategic aviation complexes will be received in terms of long-range aviation of the VCS, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation reported.

In 2016, long-range aviation compounds have replenished with two upgraded missile carriers Tu-160 and two Tu-95MS.

So how many "strategists" will end up with a "4" or "5"?

Earlier, the Chief of the General Staff - First Deputy Commander of the Aermed Space Forces, Pavel Kurachenko, said that by 2020 g aviation connections expect new aircraft and helicopters to arrive over 900, the same number will be repaired.

Earlier in the "internet" and in print media I read that by 2020 1200 new aircraft and helicopters will be delivered.

[sharp-lad]

Earlier in the "internet" and in print media I read that by 2020 1200 new aircraft and helicopters will be delivered. And about those set to this moment, we will be modestly silent.

[Orazmukhamed]

T 50 with what engines will it be? AL-41F? It was said that the T 50 with the engine of the second stage type 30 will arrive in 2018.

[Vlad5307]

Quote: commbatant

So how many "strategists" will end up with a "4" or "5"?

4 - was in 2016, 5 - will be in 2017.

[Praetorian4]

Quote: commbatant

So how many "strategists" will end up with a "4" or "5"?

Five. It's written.

[voyaka uh]

HAPA,
101 KS-N (N - ground) - suspended sighting container "////

So the T-50 has no integrated sight on the ground? Honestly, I was sure that there are ...

[HAPA]

Quote: voyaka uh

So the T-50 has no integrated sight on the ground? Honestly, I was sure that there are ...

no.
OLS is.
And he doesn’t really need. He, like F-22, will not / should not particularly work on land / sea. The defeat of critical objects no more. And their number does not imply involving them for strikes on the ground for this there are SU-30SM, Su-34, etc.

[NEXUS]

Quote: HAPA

He, like F-22, will not / should not particularly work on land / sea.

Stupidity ... for example, the X-58USHK anti-radar missile, where is this? Or the X-35UE aviation tactical anti-ship missile for what? Or do you think the bombs also have air-to-air class?

And their number does not imply involving them for strikes on the ground for this there are SU-30SM, Su-34, etc.

And what kind of precision weapons are they developing? For carpet bombing?

[HAPA]

Quote: NEXUS

Stupidity ... for example, the X-58USHK anti-radar missile, where is this? Or the X-35UE aviation tactical anti-ship missile for what? Or do you think the bombs also have air-to-air class?

uh

Quote: HAPA

The defeat of critical objects no more.

Anti-radar rocket X-58USHKE

Quote: NEXUS

And what kind of precision weapons are they developing? For carpet bombing?

already answered. The number of Pak-fa is not enough to send them for ordinary attacks on the ground. The same weapon can carry both the Su-30cm and the SU-34. But they cannot fulfill the superiority gains in the sky with the same efficiency as the Pak-fa.

[NEXUS]

Quote: HAPA

X-58UShKE anti-radar missile

The nomenclature of missiles for the PAK FA is currently 14 units ... in addition to bombs. Do you really think that among this variety there will be no new air-to-surface missiles? At the same time, the T-50 can well use missiles that are put on the SU-30 and SU-35 ...
And the anti-ship component in this nomenclature is also there. So your thesis is

He, like F-22, will not / should not particularly work on land / sea. The defeat of critical objects no more.

Well, does not stand up to criticism.

Quote: HAPA

The same weapon can carry both the Su-30cm and the SU-34.

It works both ways. PAK FA is also capable of using it all.

Quote: HAPA

But they cannot fulfill the superiority gains in the sky with the same efficiency as the Pak-fa.

About efficiency, yes, they can’t. But the same SU-35S, in essence, is also imprisoned precisely for gaining air supremacy.

[HAPA]

Quote: NEXUS

The nomenclature of missiles for the PAK FA is currently 14 units ... in addition to bombs. Do you really think that among this variety there will be no new air-to-surface missiles? At the same time, the T-50 can well use missiles that are put on the SU-30 and SU-35 ...
And the anti-ship component in this nomenclature is also there. So your thesis is

To date? hmm and where is any video or something else that he knows how to apply them?

Quote: NEXUS

And the anti-ship component in this nomenclature is also there. So your thesis is
He, like F-22, will not / should not particularly work on land / sea. The defeat of critical objects no more. Well, does not stand up to criticism.

Yes there is. But to have plans and start exchanging is a big difference.
Weapons complement the nomenclature as the aircraft is being finalized. Look, with what the Su-27 (or even Su-35) could fly at the beginning of its service or F-16.
First, the "base" (the required set of weapons), and then

Quote: NEXUS

It works both ways. PAK FA is also capable of using it all.

Quote: NEXUS

It works both ways. PAK FA is also capable of using it all.

It’s not yet capable, that’s when it’s down to arms or will pass the ICG ..

Quote: NEXUS

About efficiency, yes, they can’t. But the same SU-35S, in essence, is also imprisoned precisely for gaining air supremacy.

And attention to which regiments he goes to? mainly in air defense. And in Syria, it is used to cover aircraft.

[NEXUS]

Quote: HAPA

To date? hmm and where is any video or something else that he knows how to apply them?

To provide you all documentation on PAK FA, or only on the arsenal? Don't you know the concept of secrecy?

Quote: HAPA

Not yet capable, that’s when to stomp on armaments or will pass the ICG.

And what do you think?

Quote: HAPA

And attention to which regiments he goes to? mainly in air defense. And in Syria, it is used to cover aircraft.

And where is the contradiction? SU-35 is an air fighter, whose responsibilities include covering up our same bombers, which in itself is correct.

[HAPA]

Quote: NEXUS

And what do you think?

I hope this is a joke .... You know that it’s a cartoon ....
Ps your links never cease to amaze

[HAPA]

Quote: NEXUS

To provide you all documentation on PAK FA, or only on the arsenal? Don't you know the concept of secrecy?

There is a general rule for new aircraft for everyone. there are no exceptions.
The development and deployment of aircraft is a step-by-step procedure.
Now pak-fa t50-8 returned for flight test (no avionics)
And yes, it is interesting to write nonsense about the F-35 and F-22 for you, frankly enough, not reliable information, etc. F-35 "not firing cannon, etc. F-22 has a cast coating.

Quote: NEXUS

And where is the contradiction? SU-35 is an air fighter, whose responsibilities include covering up our same bombers, which in itself is correct.

And the same is true for pak-fa.

[Zaurbek]

Until they begin to produce an aiming container with us, then the Su-30SM will go into drums ...

[HAPA]

Quote: NEXUS

He, like F-22, will not / should not particularly work on land / sea.

to understand how it looks
F-35 VS F-22 (was higher)

from 1.30 min

[Sergey TT]

Great news. Just need more!

[_Slavs]

NEXUS,
Why do we need MiG 1.44 or at least on its basis? I being in Glukhovitsy in 1989. in anticipation of the side to the Banner of Labor, Sorry for little need I wanted. If anyone was there then - the flight control house (there you can write a logbook on the dezh. Board), so at the nearest hangar under the wall there was (under a small tent there was a CABIN the air intake is typically closed with a red cover) is a miracle. Well, I didn’t come up with anything better - his wheel! Do not believe it, but the MiG 1.44 chassis looked very archaic! It looks like from MiG 21. And in general, it was similar to the development of 60-70 years in appearance (look at the Su-27 early, is it a variation of it? Only from Mig. Prototype 29?). Who understands what in aviation as well as in the automotive industry forms are superimposed on the style that dominates in certain decades.
I was very surprised when this miraculously yudo was rolled out 4 years ago - my verdict was cut down and rolled out a reputable dinosaur (slightly upgraded) of a not particularly familiar breed.

[Zaurbek]

We need a fighter with an engine of the 2nd stage from the T-50, not as sharpened by the work on the ground as the F-35.

[Zaurbek]

I don’t understand something, when the T-50 will give the name normal Su -...? If 5pcs went to the Army, then this is almost a production model already.