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In Ukraine, announced the imminent completion of the development of the air defense system "Dnepr"

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"Ukroboronservice" announced the imminent completion of the development of the Dnepr anti-aircraft complex, created by order of the Ukrainian government number 921-p from 2015.


In Ukraine, announced the imminent completion of the development of the air defense system "Dnepr"


“The multichannel anti-aircraft complex Dnepr will significantly expand the capabilities of air defense. After all, its anti-aircraft guided missiles are capable of destroying airplanes and helicopters of all types, unmanned aerial vehicles and cruise missiles at medium and short ranges. Given that the complex can knock down targets at any time of the day, even in adverse weather conditions and with active informational, fire and maneuverable opposition from the enemy. As part of the air defense system "Dnepr" includes a command and control station, multifunction radar (with AFAR), launchers, "- said in the commentary of expert Diana Mikhailova.



The command and control station has two compartments — hardware and aggregate. The first houses automated workstations for combat crews, means for processing and documenting information, and means of communication. In the aggregate - two diesel power units (main and backup).

"Tactical and technical characteristics of the Dnepr air defense missile system:

The number of channels on the target - 6;

The number of channels on the rocket - 12;

Maximum target detection range of a tactical fighter type, km:

at a height of 7 km - at least 150;

at a height of 0,15 km - at least 50;

at a height of 0,02 km - at least 28;

Maximum target speed:

towards, m with - to 1000;

in pursuit, m / s - up to 600;

The range of sustained escort tactical fighter, km - 120;

Affected area:

Minimum target height, km - 0,015;

Maximum height of target destruction, km - 25;

Distance to the near border of the affected area, km - 7;

Maximum distance to the distant border of the affected area, km - 60;

Maximum course parameter goal, km - 24;

Manual capture of one target for automatic tracking, p. - 2,5 - 3;

Number of simultaneously connected launchers, pcs. - 6;

Readiness time (on) of the complex for combat work, min. - no more than 4 min.

It should be noted that the multifunctional radar station was developed using the technology of active phased antenna arrays. It provides a target detection range with an effective dispersion area of ​​1 sq. m is 150 km. The signals are digitized at an intermediate frequency, and their further processing (filtering, identifying, coordinate systems, etc.) occurs at the program level using special calculators, ”Mikhailova reports.

Expert Note: “Given that news A year has passed, and the “completion” of the work is still ongoing (with no additional information about the progress achieved in the development has appeared), it should be noted that R & D “Dnepr” will not enter the stage of creating a prototype in 2017. ”
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  1. NEXUS
    NEXUS 6 January 2017 12: 06
    +19
    Without pants, but with weapons ... DB.
    1. Finches
      Finches 6 January 2017 12: 10
      +29
      To develop, test and introduce into series, putting into service - it's not like walking with torches on January 1st! I understand that it is necessary to report at least loudly for the funds spent - otherwise, even a svidoduren may ask the sacramental question "Where is the money, Zin?" laughing
      1. bouncyhunter
        bouncyhunter 6 January 2017 12: 45
        +14
        Zhenya, welcome! hi drinks Svidomosaurs masters invent wunderwaffles, but the real necessities for decades can not bring to mind. Maybe this is also their work:

        wassat
        1. Finches
          Finches 6 January 2017 12: 54
          +22
          Hi Pash! drinks

          Of course them! Such pictures are posted on the "Censor" so that the stoned ukropatriots orgasm, considering their army the strongest in the Universe ... True, when a ticket to the ATO zone comes from the military registration and enlistment office to personally verify the power of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, they quickly merge with their grandmother in Ryazan! laughing

          By the way the other day, Chief Crest Waltzman passed a decree to call on reserve officers who had never served for 18 months ... And this suggests that they have a full ass in the army, staffed by officers!
          1. bouncyhunter
            bouncyhunter 6 January 2017 12: 59
            +12
            And this suggests that they have a complete ass in the army, staffing officers!

            And when did they have it otherwise? Galloped the army and the whole country, svidomye maydauny! wassat
            1. Finches
              Finches 6 January 2017 13: 07
              +15
              To be completely objective, we have such a problem. We, in Russia, called on graduates of military departments until 2008 inclusive, abandoning this call by means of a total Serdyukov reduction of officer posts! Now we also have a certain personnel shortage with the acquisition of the primary command link and this situation will continue until at least 2018, so voluntary recruitment of military graduates from military schools to military departments is underway! Nevertheless, such a decision Poroshenko can be regarded as strengthening and building up the APU in a poor economy - why, one asks? Is it not for a summer company in the Donbass?
          2. Normal ok
            Normal ok 6 January 2017 13: 19
            +4
            Quote: Finches
            And this suggests that they have a complete ass in the army, staffing officers!

            As far as I know, there are not enough junior officers. By the way, I recently read on VO that in Russia a similar situation.
            1. Finches
              Finches 6 January 2017 13: 22
              +3
              I already wrote about this as well - a comment just above yours! hi
          3. muhomor
            muhomor 6 January 2017 14: 07
            +4
            Yes, there are always not enough officers. Especially the lieutenants. And in the Soviet army, and in the Russian, and in the imperial!
            1. Finches
              Finches 6 January 2017 14: 41
              +3
              This is all relative! Lack of 5% or lack of 60 ...- in the first case, the army is ready, but in the second not! hi
          4. potroshenko
            potroshenko 6 January 2017 14: 52
            +1
            Quote: bouncyhunter
            Maybe this is also their work:

            Quote: Finches
            Of course them!

            Well this must be so envy on lies.
            Are you ashamed of your creativity?
            http://forum.tanktastic.ru/index.php?/topic/205-%
            D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BA%D0%B8-%D0%B1%D1%83%D0%B4%
            D1%83%D1%89%D0%B5%D0%B3%D0%BE/page-3#entry13480
            1. Finches
              Finches 6 January 2017 15: 01
              +11
              Is humor really bad? This is just a photo of one of the mock-up samples of the self-propelled artillery unit "Coalition-SV" made using the developments on the ACS "Msta-S" and the chassis of the main tank, already demonstrated in the distant 2006! If humor is bad, then you are on "Censor" - there are serious comrades in authority ... laughing

              And your link, then you would still go to the forum shkolota elementary grades - there and not such pictures can be found ... hi
              1. bouncyhunter
                bouncyhunter 6 January 2017 20: 06
                +11
                Zhen, Svidomo defends his country! Well, problems with a sense of humor - there's nothing to be done ... Such is their path ...
                1. Finches
                  Finches 6 January 2017 20: 10
                  +4
                  It doesn’t seem to defend the country - for some reason, not in the ATO, but in the VO ..., which is a little bit! laughing
                  1. bouncyhunter
                    bouncyhunter 6 January 2017 20: 28
                    +8
                    Well, you see, Svidomogrilka bit a bit ...
                2. Lelek
                  Lelek 7 January 2017 10: 41
                  +4
                  Quote: bouncyhunter
                  That is their way ...


                  Sorry, I'll shake it. And our would-be neighbors have a different "main caliber":

                  Merry Christmas, Slavs.
                  1. Finches
                    Finches 7 January 2017 14: 46
                    +1
                    Merry Christmas! hi
      2. Barbulator
        Barbulator 6 January 2017 16: 02
        +2
        Quote: Finches
        for disbursed funds you need to at least loudly report

        But how quickly everything is executed: they did not have time to issue an order, as the product is already ready! As the saying goes, the chicken is in the nest, the testicle is in the star, and we are ready.
        1. Finches
          Finches 6 January 2017 16: 12
          +3
          And you can also take a solid Soviet model, make re-styling - in Ukrainian, it’s stupid to paint and op-la - a new word in weapons systems! Put the remaining difference of the allocated dough after buying a can of paint and brushes ... laughing
    2. vovanpain
      vovanpain 6 January 2017 12: 13
      +20
      "Ukroboronservice" announced the imminent completion of the development of the Dnepr anti-aircraft complex, created by order of the Ukrainian government number 921-p from 2015.

      Nudes Nudes, it seems like everyone has been developing since 2000, but they cannot. fellow The unknown feat of the Cossack Mykola Svinorylko On New Year's Eve, the Cossack Mykola sat in secret on the front line, far beyond the line of the trenches of Ridny Ukraine. Ahead, Russian orcs mocked the civilian population, torturing people with humanitarian aid and broadcasting Russian channels. Suddenly, the Cossack Svinorylko noticed vague shadows in the bushes. It was the DRG of separatists in the number of eight hundred people sneaking to the positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to spoil the New Year's Eve for the patriots of Ukraine. Leaving a bottle of vodka aside, and a piece of bacon and a couple of bricks directly into the trench - the Cossack Svinorylko signaled to the valiant mortarmen behind - a triple moonshine belch. "Hammer", personally donated by Petro Poroshenko. Hundreds of Russian commandos remained motionless, while the rest rushed away, when the Cossack Svinorylko noticed the fleeing FSB general wearing stripes and a portrait of Putin. Boldly rushing forward, the Ukrainian patriot easily captured him and led him to the line of his trenches, but the separatists could not release the general alive because of Putin's personal order and struck with the atomic Iskander. The general died, and Mykola was torn off his leg. But such a trifle could not stop the Ukrainian patriot. To deceive the separatists, Mykola Svinorylko bit off his hand and threw it along with his leg to the remains of the general. And he himself, taking his documents, quietly pulled Shchenevmerla and continued on his way to his own. Three more times the separatists were hit by an atomic bomb, but all by. So the Cossack Svinorylko repulsed the attack of the separatists and obtained secret documents, including Putin's personal orders. where the Cossack crawled from the front line, he was given a tangerine and satin panties in the color of the ensign, volunteers collected caps from beer bottles for prostheses, and the Ministry of Defense presented Cossack Svinorylko to the Order "For the Heroic Defense of the Dupa" and presented memorable gifts with the president's autograph - a soccer ball and a jump rope .Now in the remote village of Zapadenskoye, the hero of Ukraine, the Cossack Svinorylko, teaches schoolchildren about patriotism, and when rare trains pass by, he begs for alms at the station and sends everything collected to his brothers in the ATO. repeat
      1. cniza
        cniza 6 January 2017 12: 38
        +4
        The Dnepr air defense missile system includes a combat command post, multifunctional radar (with AFAR), launchers, ”says expert Diana Mikhailova.


        The expert pleased me, but they can create similar devices and one thing calms me down, they steal it and will not reach the series.
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 6 January 2017 13: 01
          +6
          Quote: cniza
          plundered and will not reach the series.

          What nafig series? Eurovision at them will gobble up the rest of the budget. And in this light, I think that Jamal should be given an order for services to the Fatherland and another rank.
          1. Farast
            Farast 6 January 2017 16: 30
            0
            here is another expert: https://medium.com/@hu_diletant/%D0%BC%D0%B0%D0%B
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        2. Koshak
          Koshak 6 January 2017 13: 02
          +3
          Quote: cniza
          The expert pleased me, but they can create similar devices and one thing calms me down, they steal it and will not reach the series.

          In extreme cases, one more mortar "Hammer" or caramultuk "Haiduk" will work.
      2. Pinchanin
        Pinchanin 6 January 2017 13: 43
        +5
        You're not right! Kozak Svinorylko managed to catch the vigorous rocket and throw it back into the damned Mordor. But since he so hates quilted jackets and colorado, then during the throw he overdid it a bit and the nuclear bomb became an artificial satellite of the Earth. Here!
        1. SRC P-15
          SRC P-15 6 January 2017 14: 30
          +3
          In Ukraine, announced the imminent completion of the development of the air defense system "Dnepr"

          What SAM, in Ukraine are others busy smile :
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    3. potroshenko
      potroshenko 6 January 2017 14: 37
      +6
      Quote: NEXUS
      Without pants, but with weapons ... DB.

      Is it not so in the Russian Federation?
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 6 January 2017 15: 14
        +14
        Quote: potroshenko
        Is it not so in the Russian Federation?

        Firstly, in Russia there is no Parasha and Co., and although the economy is in crisis, people do not starve, as you do.
        Secondly ... we launch and sell our developments in a series, but you have only presentations and announcements. At the same time, when will you send your Strongholds to Thailand? Or have you received the money, and then even the grass does not grow? In the near future, if there will be such power and politics in your Khokhlostan next, the word Ukrainian will be synonymous with the concepts of a thief and a swindler.
        But you go on there, with pots on your heads ... The West will help you.
      2. MMX
        MMX 6 January 2017 16: 09
        +4
        Quote: potroshenko
        Quote: NEXUS
        Without pants, but with weapons ... DB.

        Is it not so in the Russian Federation?


        No, not so.
      3. Farast
        Farast 6 January 2017 16: 47
        +6
        not so, dear! You (the population) would long ago understand that in the 91st the country was torn apart for the living, the era of racketeers and gopniks began. In our part of the country, there were people with a deep understanding of what a state is, they asked for the millennium one of the three drunkards-impostors to resign and by the mid-2000s, the gopota was cleaned out. All stripes, moreover. And in the part of the country that has inherited your current population, the boys have remained. They only change each other. But they "trampled the clearing" (in their slang) and are fighting for the trough. And you, damn it, for what? So that gopota, former Komsomol members (Turchinov) freely use one of the stumps of a great power? Or do you not understand that they have entered the West, that our leadership understands a simple thing: without creating its own cluster of people and territories that were previously deeply integrated into each other (TS, Eurasian Economic Community, whatever), not one of the 15 parts of the nichrome will be able to achieve the level of those robbers whom your crazy TV calls "the whole world" (for a minute there are less than a billion of them, while 7 billion on Earth)? Why robbers? Yes, because right up to Vietnam and since the Crusades, they were openly plundered. After the defeat in Vietnam, it came down, and they began (having not only the looted funds, but already the world printing press) to rob the economy, mostly due to technological processes). Uncle Bzezhinsky wrote a book that without Ukraine this project will not take place in Russia, so you have become "Europeans". And now, apparently, the task (there) was considered completed. And to you, if you do not know, they sent in advance political strategists to your press, who prepared you in advance for the Maidan (as I will not grovel, the technologies have long been worked out). At the same time, the right sectors were taught how to pierce helmets with riot police. Your gopota (stupid, albeit "oligarchs") believed that they were completely happy and flooded. But what are you fighting for? Especially those who really choke on the language?
    4. Alex_Rarog
      Alex_Rarog 6 January 2017 15: 54
      +3
      Well, all s-400 huddled in a corner and crying)))) but still more likely from laughter)))
    5. sso-xnumx
      sso-xnumx 6 January 2017 21: 01
      +4
      "I am tormented by vague doubts ... Shpak has a tape recorder, the ambassador has a medallion ,,," Something these S-300 performance characteristics remind me of ........
      1. lukewarm
        lukewarm 7 January 2017 18: 43
        +1
        A photo of PU with an inclined start is a patriot
    6. GSH-18
      GSH-18 7 January 2017 16: 00
      0
      In Ukraine, announced the imminent completion of the development of the air defense system "Dnepr"

      Yo! But which year already, crested stars of the Bolshoi Theater! laughing DB!
  2. 210ox
    210ox 6 January 2017 12: 07
    +15
    The performance characteristics of this complex are quite high. In principle, in Ukraine there are specialists and production facilities for creating such systems.
    1. vkl.47
      vkl.47 6 January 2017 12: 33
      0
      Anyway, there are problems. For example, with antennas. Yes and the series, if there are any, are scanty. I do not think that they will build this complex in the next five years
      1. Bongo
        Bongo 6 January 2017 14: 36
        +11
        Quote: vkl.47
        Anyway, there are problems. For example, with antennas. Yes and the series, if there are any, are scanty. I do not think that they will build this complex in the next five years

        In Ukraine, at one time there were many military-industrial complex enterprises. Some of them made very competitive products. You can, of course, laugh at the "Ukrainians", but they have not yet used up their entire Soviet potential. For example, the Iskra Research and Production Complex in Zaporozhye was building a 36D6-M mobile three-coordinate airspace survey radar.


        This station is currently one of the best in its class and is used in modern automated air defense systems, anti-aircraft missile systems for detecting low-flying air targets covered by active and passive interference, for air traffic control of military and civil aviation.
        In 2007, a circular view with a phased array 79K6 "Pelican" was adopted.

        The station is intended for use in the composition of the Air Defense Forces and the Air Force as an information link for monitoring and issuing target designation to anti-aircraft missile systems and automated air traffic control systems. The radar is located on two KrAZ-6446. The deployment time of the radar is 30 minutes. Detection range of high-altitude aerial targets - 400 km.
        In addition to the construction of the upgraded 36D6-M and the creation of a new 79K6, the Soviet radars 5Н84, П-18 and П-19 were radically modernized in Ukraine.

        As part of a radical improvement in the combat characteristics of the Osa-AKM air defense missile system, a new mobile air defense missile system T38 Stilet was created jointly with the Republic of Belarus.

        I can assume that the new Ukrainian air defense system can be created on the basis of the R-27 medium-range air-to-air missile system. The R-27 rocket has been produced since 1983 at the Kiev enterprise Artyom. There are simply no other developments in Ukraine.
    2. Koshak
      Koshak 6 January 2017 13: 03
      0
      Quote: 210ox
      In principle, in Ukraine there are specialists and production facilities for creating such systems.

      "Where is the money, Zin?"
      / V.S. Vysotsky./
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 6 January 2017 20: 20
        0
        They have already allocated money - almost 2 billion dollars, and this is from Japan.
    3. Homo
      Homo 6 January 2017 13: 54
      0
      And what's in the pipes? Stingers? Something about the rocket itself is not enough information.
    4. muhomor
      muhomor 6 January 2017 14: 17
      +1
      That's just the minimum range is something big. Already seven kilometers. Supersonic KR may not be intercepted! The reaction time will not allow.
    5. Res_Ullus
      Res_Ullus 6 January 2017 22: 05
      +1
      She has an analyzer and a thinker inside ...
      Universal heuristic machine of Edelweiss Mashkin.

      That's the whole modern military-industrial complex ruins (There are no capacities there, no specialists (Already two years ....

    6. GSH-18
      GSH-18 7 January 2017 16: 01
      0
      Quote: 210ox
      Basically in Ukraine there are specialists and production facilities for creating such systems.

      Yeah, there were. To assemble from Israeli and Chinese components, a lot of intelligence is not necessary.
  3. Monos
    Monos 6 January 2017 12: 08
    +5
    I’m embarrassed to ask: which of the Ukrainian design bureaus designs and manufactures antennas?
    1. Normal ok
      Normal ok 6 January 2017 13: 21
      +3
      Quote: Monos
      I’m embarrassed to ask: which of the Ukrainian design bureaus designs and manufactures antennas?

      See the answer, for example, here:
      https://topwar.ru/13650-azerbaydzhan-prodolzhaet-
      vooruzhatsya-na-ocheredi-ukrainskaya-kolchuga-mh
      tml
      And in general, browse through the archives of VO.
  4. svp67
    svp67 6 January 2017 12: 08
    +4
    As I understand it, the Dnepr air defense missile system is a Ukrainianized S-300?
    And what is very pleasing is the conclusion from the article
    it should be noted that the Dnepr ROC will not reach the stage of creating a prototype and in 2017

    OCD has not yet been completed, prototypes have not been built and tested, but beautiful pictures have already been drawn, and we can honestly say that Ukraine has surpassed Russia in this.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 6 January 2017 12: 10
      +3
      Judging by the picture, there is up to C-300 ... Rather, an improved beech.
      at a height of 7 km - at least 150;

      This line is especially doubtful.
      1. svp67
        svp67 6 January 2017 12: 24
        0
        Quote: Wedmak
        Judging by the picture, there is up to C-300 ... Rather, an improved beech.

        Judging by the picture, it is very far from the "Buk". Since the Buk air defense missile system is highly maneuverable, it can move as part of mechanized convoys and react very quickly to an air hazard. And then the PU on the semi-trailer. What are its marching capabilities? How much does she need to transfer to a combat position?
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 6 January 2017 12: 30
          +4
          I meant performance characteristics. Execution in a semi-trailer (did you not take the idea from the Patriot? To spite the Muscovites, so to speak.) Can be changed. Moreover, as I understood, only pictures are "tested" so far. And there are doubts that we will see this product in iron.
          1. svp67
            svp67 6 January 2017 12: 42
            0
            Quote: Wedmak
            I meant TT

            Again, the "Buk" on each launcher has its own locator, but then I don't see it. So, that somehow it does not hold out in terms of capabilities.
    2. a-cola
      a-cola 6 January 2017 12: 46
      +1
      There is nothing beautiful in the pictures. Any school presentation looks better. There wasn’t even enough money for this.
  5. Smog
    Smog 6 January 2017 12: 08
    +3
    it should be noted that the Dnepr ROC will not reach the stage of creating a prototype in 2017 either. "


    Or maybe he will never come out at all? No time, God forbid.
    And then these monkeys with a grenade ..... something scary.
  6. volodya
    volodya 6 January 2017 12: 09
    +1
    Perhaps it turns out not very, as before!
  7. Wedmak
    Wedmak 6 January 2017 12: 09
    +2
    Import substitution for our Buk?
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 6 January 2017 20: 22
      0
      Something like the American SAM Patriot recalls.
  8. Kostya Andreev
    Kostya Andreev 6 January 2017 12: 10
    +5
    And who is Diana Mikhailova, an expert, how is she famous and famous. Level of a tank driver Felgenhauer?
  9. aszzz888
    aszzz888 6 January 2017 12: 11
    0
    It seems to them, ukrokaklam, so it seems. But the reality is far from that. More like no profanity.
  10. sabakina
    sabakina 6 January 2017 12: 13
    +1
    I would like to read the opinion of forum users, anti-aircraft gunners and developers (well, or those who are directly related to air defense systems). But on New Year's, I can hardly wait.
  11. APASUS
    APASUS 6 January 2017 12: 14
    +1
    I would have expressed doubt. First you need to have an element base, a chemical industry, then you don’t hear about the production of a new air defense missile. Moreover, even having the engineering potential and design experience does not guarantee the appearance of this system in metal, talking about mass launch is now ridiculous.
    Based on the fact that the production process of some brands of missiles for the S-300 system is almost two years old, this system will not appear soon.
  12. Safer
    Safer 6 January 2017 12: 17
    +4
    with active information, fire and maneuverable opposition of the enemy.

    This wording makes me laugh. If the last two are more or less clear, but what does the first paragraph mean? They want to say that all kinds of stuffing in the media is not an obstacle for a rocket? The whole world held its breath ....
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 6 January 2017 12: 55
      +3
      Quote: Safer
      If the last two are more or less clear, but what does the first paragraph mean?

      Integrated counteraction to the management system.
      It’s just that Ykspert, apparently, also didn’t really understand the meaning of what was written in the press release, and did not quite adequately include this phrase in his opus.
  13. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 6 January 2017 12: 23
    +1
    A little downed Boeing? ?? fool Now in the sky ukroiny will fly sparrows born on the technology "super stealth"! wassat
  14. Altona
    Altona 6 January 2017 12: 42
    +1
    Article "plus" for Wishlist. The only question is, who will do it all? It seems like, apart from Poroshenko's "Lenin Forge", everything that can be decommunized, that is, switched to sprouted wheat and corn instead of high-tech.
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  16. Methane
    Methane 6 January 2017 12: 47
    +3
    Quote: Smog
    it should be noted that the Dnepr ROC will not reach the stage of creating a prototype in 2017 either. "


    Or maybe he will never come out at all? No time, God forbid.
    And then these monkeys with a grenade ..... something scary.

    Oh-ohhh! It's still flowers-))) Here that ...
    Ukraine does not need classical nuclear weapons - it is necessary to build modern missiles capable of reaching Moscow and inflicting damage equal to a nuclear strike. This was broadcast on Channel 5 by the ex-Foreign Minister of Ukraine Volodymyr Ogryzko.

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    According to him, this is the most realistic scenario for Kiev, since the international community is unlikely to allow Ukraine to restore its nuclear status.

    “From the point of view of technology, this is not a utopia, no matter how anyone speaks. I do not want to draw any parallels, but over the past 20-30 years, many countries have appeared in the world that have acquired nuclear status, and which clearly do not surpass Ukraine in know-how, technology and so on. We have brains for this, we have the appropriate technology. The question is whether there is political will, and whether we really need it.

    As an element of deterrence, this is certainly something that would once and for all put an end to the question of what Ukraine is, its sovereignty, independence and so on. But now there are modern means of delivery of such destructive power, which, in fact, do not differ from nuclear weapons.

    Therefore, if we have a powerful missile shield that will reach key points on the territory of the aggressor, then I think that will be enough, ”said Ogryzko.
    Fear cotton wassat
  17. Methane
    Methane 6 January 2017 12: 48
    0
    Quote: Methane
    Quote: Smog
    it should be noted that the Dnepr ROC will not reach the stage of creating a prototype in 2017 either. "


    Or maybe he will never come out at all? No time, God forbid.
    And then these monkeys with a grenade ..... something scary.

    Oh-ohhh! It's still flowers-))) Here that ...
    Ukraine does not need classical nuclear weapons - it is necessary to build modern missiles capable of reaching Moscow and inflicting damage equal to a nuclear strike. This was broadcast on Channel 5 by the ex-Foreign Minister of Ukraine Volodymyr Ogryzk

    According to him, this is the most realistic scenario for Kiev, since the international community is unlikely to allow Ukraine to restore its nuclear status.

    “From the point of view of technology, this is not a utopia, no matter how anyone speaks. I do not want to draw any parallels, but over the past 20-30 years, many countries have appeared in the world that have acquired nuclear status, and which clearly do not surpass Ukraine in know-how, technology and so on. We have brains for this, we have the appropriate technology. The question is whether there is political will, and whether we really need it.

    As an element of deterrence, this is certainly something that would once and for all put an end to the question of what Ukraine is, its sovereignty, independence and so on. But now there are modern means of delivery of such destructive power, which, in fact, do not differ from nuclear weapons.

    Therefore, if we have a powerful missile shield that will reach key points on the territory of the aggressor, then I think that will be enough, ”said Ogryzko.
    Fear cotton wassat
    1. kotvov
      kotvov 6 January 2017 20: 14
      +1
      the surname said everything for him.
  18. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 6 January 2017 12: 49
    +1
    racially correct bungled at the Ukrainians complex, because. PU like the "Patriot" turned out))).
  19. adma
    adma 6 January 2017 12: 52
    +2
    Despite the fact that the complex can shoot down targets any time of the day even in difficult weather conditions

    Are there any day or only night air defense systems?
    1. Monarchist
      Monarchist 6 January 2017 13: 15
      +3
      Maydaunas also have seasons: winter, spring, etc.
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 6 January 2017 13: 41
        +4
        Have you forgotten why Ukrainians canceled the second day of rocket exercises? The fog was terrible, already terrible!
  20. Moskal 55
    Moskal 55 6 January 2017 13: 08
    +3
    Quote: 210ox
    The performance characteristics of this complex are quite high. In principle, in Ukraine there are specialists and production facilities for creating such systems.

    Quote: Monos
    I’m embarrassed to ask: which of the Ukrainian design bureaus designs and manufactures antennas?

    TTX for the complex of the future is very modest, which may indicate that they are really developing something.
    In any case, there were specialists and enterprises. Kiev "Kvant", for example. Their analogue of ijis in the USSR was unsuccessful, but it was a large research institute. Antenshchiks were there, and in 2000 there was information about Ukrainian experimental developments of AFAR.
    AFAR, in the presence of an element base, is not only "more functional" but also more technologically advanced than old antennas, especially at the stage of adjustment. But the element base, i.e. microcircuits, they still have American ones, maybe. and military, although if you do not pay attention to the factors of the nuclear power, then industrial for the eyes. The steeper the microcircuits, the less their own development effort. These nasty things the United States can easily arrange for us. The United States has no embargo with Ukraine. Very advanced microcircuits can be delivered. On credit, of course. After all, a weapon of defense. Ukraine, of course, will not be able to reproduce these microcircuits or make analogues, so all production is under US control. We stopped supplying microcircuits - production ended.
    Of course, such a complex is not only AFAR, and even not only electronics and software. Also, rockets must fly correctly. I don’t know how they are doing here, but the Yuzhnoye design bureau and Antonov worked recently ...
    Morality? It is not always possible to quickly and immediately kill an "opponent", even one such as the outskirts, if behind their back ...
    25 years ago we destroyed our USSR ...
  21. Monarchist
    Monarchist 6 January 2017 13: 14
    +1
    Quote: bouncyhunter
    And this suggests that they have a complete ass in the army, staffing officers!

    And when did they have it otherwise? Galloped the army and the whole country, svidomye maydauny! wassat

    So jumping is easy! Do you know the cookies started by listening to sweet speeches and .....
  22. Bath
    Bath 6 January 2017 13: 17
    0
    Quote: NEXUS
    Without pants, but with weapons ... DB.

    A familiar topic)))
  23. tezey
    tezey 6 January 2017 13: 21
    +5
    Let’s analyze the message. Can Ukraine create and produce a modern air defense system. Having no experience in design and production, technical and technological base, design and production personnel in this area, the creation of a prototype of a modern air defense system for Ukraine is a daunting task. It is possible to create separate components of the complex at a more or less modern level, but the creation of the whole complex is an unrealistic task for Ukraine. In the best case, the combat value of the Dnieper will be at the level of the 80s, beginning of the 90s. This is objective. Besides. And where and by what forces will Ukraine mass-produce it. Ten years will pass well and they will solve the problems existing today. Then a natural question arises. And who needs such a complex, not even yesterday, but the day before yesterday. Greetings to the developers of the glorious Dnepr air defense complex.
    1. Bongo
      Bongo 6 January 2017 15: 25
      +3
      Quote: Theseus
      And who needs such a complex, not even yesterday, but the day before yesterday.

      Given that the Ukrainian C-300PT is currently at the limit of its operational resource, the C-300ПС will be written off in the next 5-7 years, and the latest missiles of the 5В55Р / 5В55РМ family were produced in the 1990 year, Ukraine is in dire need of any ZR. Not from a good life, a program was launched there to extend the resource and modernize the S-125M1 air defense system.


      Ukrainian air defense system С-125-2Д ("Pechora-2Д"), modernized by NPP "Aerotekhnika"
      1. Olegovi4
        Olegovi4 6 January 2017 18: 27
        +2
        Quote: Bongo
        The program of resource extension and modernization of the S-125M1 air defense system.

        hmm. if they have missiles for the old C-300 old woman, then what about the missiles for Pechora? I am not aware that Ukraine would produce anti-aircraft missiles.
        1. Bongo
          Bongo 7 January 2017 01: 42
          +4
          Quote: Olegovi4
          hmm. if they have missiles for the old C-300 old woman, then what about the missiles for Pechora? I am not aware that Ukraine would produce anti-aircraft missiles.

          The fact is that the 5В27 radio command missiles for the C-125М1 are much simpler than the 5В55 for the C-300ПТ / ПС, which are also placed in sealed TPKs. Repair of missiles for C-300P and Buk-M1 was reduced mainly to the replacement of fuel in Ukraine in the 2000-e was conducted. Considering the fact that the 5B27 missile uses a plug-in fuel charge, this is much easier to do.
  24. Alex 2016
    Alex 2016 6 January 2017 13: 39
    +2
    Something he reminds me of. But most likely this is again trulya-la from Ukroprom. So many things invent and make unique that there is nothing)
  25. Zomanus
    Zomanus 6 January 2017 14: 20
    +1
    At best, they can develop. And put it on the shelf, next to the teeth.
    For the introduction "in hardware" and even more so passing the test cycle will not pull the money.
  26. Pivot
    Pivot 6 January 2017 14: 23
    +1
    Quote: Moskal 55
    Quote: 210ox
    The performance characteristics of this complex are quite high. In principle, in Ukraine there are specialists and production facilities for creating such systems.

    Quote: Monos
    I’m embarrassed to ask: which of the Ukrainian design bureaus designs and manufactures antennas?

    TTX for the complex of the future is very modest, which may indicate that they are really developing something.
    In any case, there were specialists and enterprises. Kiev "Kvant", for example. Their analogue of ijis in the USSR was unsuccessful, but it was a large research institute. Antenshchiks were there, and in 2000 there was information about Ukrainian experimental developments of AFAR.
    AFAR, in the presence of an element base, is not only "more functional" but also more technologically advanced than old antennas, especially at the stage of adjustment. But the element base, i.e. microcircuits, they still have American ones, maybe. and military, although if you do not pay attention to the factors of the nuclear power, then industrial for the eyes. The steeper the microcircuits, the less their own development effort. These nasty things the United States can easily arrange for us. The United States has no embargo with Ukraine. Very advanced microcircuits can be delivered. On credit, of course. After all, a weapon of defense. Ukraine, of course, will not be able to reproduce these microcircuits or make analogues, so all production is under US control. We stopped supplying microcircuits - production ended.
    Of course, such a complex is not only AFAR, and even not only electronics and software. Also, rockets must fly correctly. I don’t know how they are doing here, but the Yuzhnoye design bureau and Antonov worked recently ...
    Morality? It is not always possible to quickly and immediately kill an "opponent", even one such as the outskirts, if behind their back ...
    25 years ago we destroyed our USSR ...

    You can make anything you want, the main question is pennies of that time, pennies of mute are not foreseen, but after the passage of time this miracle will lose its relevance, there is another problem, it is necessary to modernize the Soviet-made air defense systems, this is a more pressing task.
  27. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 6 January 2017 14: 28
    +7
    Complete heresy, not a complex. There is no one foreshortening because there is no vertical launch.
    On performance characteristics - nothing at all. What kind of rocket is not clear. By the way, when firing "in pursuit" our fighters will not reach these missiles (600 m / sec is 2160 km / h), and Sushki and MiGs will "leave" at speed. Who is this "rotten stuff" for? All their air defense is inherited. And they are not able to give birth to anything.
    And the fact that reserve officers who have not served, graduates of military departments are TRYING to summon - this is generally ... m. wassat
    AFU’s affairs are very bad, there’s no one to fight. Surprising - torchbearers - as much as you want, but no one to fight! Paradox!
    1. mav1971
      mav1971 6 January 2017 21: 32
      +1
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Complete heresy, not a complex. There is no one foreshortening because there is no vertical launch.


      You yourself do not write heresy.

      Do you really think that vertical launch is the main point of object air defense?
      In your opinion, for air defense facilities of Ukraine located in the regions of Rivne, Lviv, Mukachevo - do they need all-round visibility and all-round shelling? What if Russian planes arrive from Romania or Poland?
      Or maybe the Bangor Navy base should have cover from the mainland? What if enemies from Idaho arrive?

      By the way, have you seen the layout of the starting batteries in the Patriot SAM?
      Take a look.
      Maybe then you will understand. why some do it.
      and don’t forget that directional launch is minus 1-2 seconds in time of hitting the target.
      And that turning 100 degrees from the longitudinal axis to each side of the control panel can very quickly change ...
      And that the number of PUs in the battery is about 6 units.
      And they can perfectly cover the entire horizon.
      1. Parsec
        Parsec 6 January 2017 22: 48
        +2
        Quote: mav1971
        In your opinion, for air defense facilities of Ukraine located in the regions of Rivne, Lviv, Mukachevo - do they need all-round visibility and all-round shelling? What if Russian planes arrive from Romania or Poland?


        Needed. Cover for an object is always built around. They will not fly from Romania or Poland, but from Romania or Poland it’s easy.
        You think in terms of Israel - a war of the scale of the yard, an enemy on the other side of the street, and behind a fence.
        1. mav1971
          mav1971 7 January 2017 16: 00
          +1
          Quote: Parsec

          You think in terms of Israel - a war of the scale of the yard, an enemy on the other side of the street, and behind a fence.


          In my opinion it’s your brain thinking - all around are enemies and fools and I am the only Dartanyan!
          Someone else’s experience - you don’t perceive at all.
          In order for the enemies of the country 404 (read Russian) to arrive "from the side" of Romania or Poland - it is necessary that these same enemies would pass through their air defense. And this is a clash with NATO.
          Do you understand what it will be and how NATO air defense will work then?
          So they have nothing to fear from that side.
          And vertical start-up for multi-battery controllers is not a plus.
          Minus 1-2 seconds in combat is dofiga.

          Chat with Linnik (Bongo) read his articles as a professional rocket launcher.
          There are no real overwhelming advantages in VPU.
  28. fellow misha
    fellow misha 6 January 2017 14: 43
    +1
    According to the Boeing, in one gulp, or!
  29. Leonid Har
    Leonid Har 6 January 2017 14: 53
    0
    What for?
    "Soon" only a cat can give birth.
  30. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 6 January 2017 15: 03
    +1
    Yes, they need to take away the slingshots, and not just one pass. the plane will be shot down and blamed for the Russian Federation or LDNR! bully
  31. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 6 January 2017 15: 17
    0
    First let them do it!
  32. Berkut24
    Berkut24 6 January 2017 15: 33
    +1
    Judging by the characteristics and configuration, Ukrainians, apparently, somewhere nadybali drawings of the very first "Patriot".
    It seems that our "Buk" will be both more mobile and versatile.
    PS ... ukroarmii not a single test site. On the Tu-154 and on the Boeing have already tried. Will the next one be an Airbus?
  33. Former battalion commander
    Former battalion commander 6 January 2017 15: 42
    +1
    Well now Malaysian Boeings hold on! Dill (monkey) will receive a new grenade!
  34. Wolka
    Wolka 6 January 2017 15: 44
    0
    so you have to try so that dill couldn’t have such a weapon under any circumstances ...
  35. iouris
    iouris 6 January 2017 17: 37
    0
    Fresh food ... And what about "America is with us !!"?
  36. prior
    prior 6 January 2017 17: 41
    +4
    ANY INoperable Cancer Patient WILL NOTHING ANYTHING!
    How can the ABM system actually help Ukraine ?! Who is going to fight with her?
    Who the fuck is ... needed? Who needs this casserole-headed banderstadt?
    D.B.
  37. antivirus
    antivirus 6 January 2017 18: 09
    +1
    so the "Ukrainians" will become truly "independent" and the "failures" of launches will only be on their conscience
  38. Olegovi4
    Olegovi4 6 January 2017 18: 16
    0
    Thanks to the author for pointing out the performance characteristics of the object discussed in the article! because often authors do not write anything other than headings about the properties of weapons.
  39. AID.S
    AID.S 6 January 2017 18: 23
    +1
    In Ukraine, announced the imminent completion of the development of the air defense system "Dnepr"

    Did not work out?
  40. BIGLESHIY
    BIGLESHIY 6 January 2017 19: 12
    0
    This "Dnepr" is very similar to the "Patriot".
    1. antivirus
      antivirus 7 January 2017 14: 55
      0
      it would be better to be called "Berezhnitsa" - in the homeland of Bandera, otherwise, by the name of the Russian river, the Dnieper will not save (how to call it, it will serve).
      and TTX: too much to promise and poke on a stream, instead of a great river.
  41. kotvov
    kotvov 6 January 2017 20: 10
    +1
    and he also bounces.
  42. Editor
    Editor 6 January 2017 21: 46
    +1
    their programmers are cool ... they invent weapons for warcraft ...
  43. Ronino
    Ronino 6 January 2017 23: 05
    +2
    tanks could not collect ...
    and suddenly such Christmas news. just some kind of miracle.
  44. Brigadier
    Brigadier 6 January 2017 23: 41
    +1
    ... also the Dnepr air defense missile system includes 2 slingshots with a supply of stones, in case the air defense missile system, as usual, does not work ... laughing
  45. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 7 January 2017 03: 28
    +1
    Watch out for the Boeing !!!
  46. Kostya Osipov
    Kostya Osipov 7 January 2017 06: 50
    0
    Spray! and that there is no other opinion .. I personally consider all zhurnalyug prostitutes ... !!!! Are you against ..And you tried to sue your rights in our country? So shut up uro.dy
    1. muhomor
      muhomor 7 January 2017 15: 09
      0
      What was that? belay
  47. Sometimes IMHO
    Sometimes IMHO 7 January 2017 11: 08
    +1
    The frame base is sooo reminiscent of KRAZ, and the grille on the face of Hammer =)
    1. alexander 2
      alexander 2 8 January 2017 02: 25
      0
      So with them and everything is so. As in that proverb. "An egg on your face, as you dig g .... tso.
  48. Ulan
    Ulan 7 January 2017 16: 28
    +1
    Again svidomye drechtalki.Nu now for sure all Boeings will fly around Ukraine through the North Pole.
  49. VOENOBOZ
    VOENOBOZ 7 January 2017 16: 47
    0
    Amerikosy will help them, attract their entrenched, establish their wiretaps, trackers, measures and all.
    1. alexander 2
      alexander 2 8 January 2017 02: 34
      0
      This is unlikely. Trump has clearly said that there will be no spending on Ukraine. And they themselves .... Having looked at what "masterpieces" they make for the ATO, you understand that the air defense system of the 60s is the limit for them. And then if the money is not stolen.
  50. kolobok63
    kolobok63 7 January 2017 23: 39
    0
    Quote: potroshenko
    Quote: NEXUS
    Without pants, but with weapons ... DB.

    Is it not so in the Russian Federation?

    Not so, this is your place for the pan pants on your heads, and we have good winter hats with earflaps! Jump up, it might not freeze! Good luck[/ b] [b] hi