US Navy will receive a modernized convertiplane

The Bell Helicopter company, commissioned by the US Navy, has begun production of components for the upgraded CMV-22B convertiplane (V-22 Osprey version) with extended flight range.

Under the terms of the contract, the US Navy will receive 22 hybrid cars. It is planned to order a 44 convertible CMV-22B.

“The main difference between the CMV-22B and the base model is the presence of external fuel tanks. Due to the larger amount of fuel, the convertoplan's maximum flight range (without refueling in the air) will be increased from 860 to 1150 nautical miles (2100 km). In service with the US Navy, CMV-22B converters will replace medium-range carrier-based transport aircraft Northrop Grumman C-2 Greyhound, ”writes navyrecognition.com.

The CMV-22B was first introduced in 2015. About a year later, mass production of machines will begin. Start of supply the fleet scheduled for 2020

Recall the Bell Boeing V-22 Osprey convertible was developed by Bell Helicopters and Boeing Helicopters in 80's and began to enter the US Armed Forces with 2005.

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[himRa]

The very idea of ​​a tiltrotor should have appeared simultaneously with a helicopter, the speed of a tiltrotor is higher and landing and take-off is like a turntable! We need such vehicles in the Navy

will be increased from 860 to 1150 nautical miles (2100 km)

Impressive performance ...

[bouncyhunter]

Judging by the number of envelopes in the USA, the car is not cheap.

[Pete mitchell]

The project was very advanced and could not refuse, so they started and got an auxiliary car at the price of a fighter. They modestly voiced the figure of 70 lyam for the base version. They promised not to do so anymore.

[himRa]

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Mi-30 - a project of the Soviet multi-purpose tiltrotor, developed by the cost center. M.L. Mila under the direction of M.N. Tishchenko in 1972. Inside the design bureau, this design scheme had its own name "propeller". The main task was to provide such parameters of speed and flight range that would exceed the similar parameters of helicopters. The Mi-30 tiltrotor was considered as a replacement for the Mi-8 multipurpose helicopter in the future.

[210ox]

This is a machine primarily for landing. It works primarily with UDC .. What we don’t have, like the machines themselves .. Unfortunately.

Quote: himRa

The very idea of ​​a tiltrotor should have appeared simultaneously with a helicopter, the speed of a tiltrotor is higher and landing and take-off is like a turntable! We need such vehicles in the Navy

will be increased from 860 to 1150 nautical miles (2100 km)

Impressive performance ...

[ohtandur]

there is an opinion that this is not such a wonderful machine -
US Wunderwolf Hit Parade (Part 4) - "Flying Shame" V-22 Osprey
http://gosh100.livejournal.com/180369.html

[hrych]

Quote: 210ox

What we don’t have, as well as the machines themselves .. Unfortunately.

If the question is about landing, then we already had our own chip - the ekranoplan, frankly, is the same utopia. Those. inferior in marine indicators to the ship and does not reach the capabilities of the aircraft. Therefore, and not adopted. With a tiltrotor also, only a helicopter chimera with an airplane. The USSR and the Russian Federation took the path of creating the Mi-26 super-helicopter and the co-carrier Ka-27 for the fleet, we have airborne forces for thousands of kilometers. They have a desire to abandon the Marines away from the coast and quickly overcome the means of air defense and FFP. Again, they needed new characteristics, taking into account the entry of our Bastions and other Clubs onto the market, i.e. to capture the bridgehead, etc., the landing should be started farther from the strike zone of the landing ship by the coastal complexes, therefore the range of 800 is already small, the envelope needs to return (i.e. 400), and Onyx hits 500 and higher, so 2000 km, with a thousand. Therefore, such a calculation, taking into account the real capabilities of the enemy.

[SSR]

Quote: himRa

The very idea of ​​a tiltrotor should have appeared simultaneously with a helicopter, the speed of a tiltrotor is higher and landing and take-off is like a turntable! We need such vehicles in the Navy

will be increased from 860 to 1150 nautical miles (2100 km)

Impressive performance ...

We have such a device in regions such as regional transport that is in great demand, with such a range, aircraft speed and takeoff landing of a helicopter - it is very necessary, only with less expensive and difficult operation.

[himRa]

This was also understood in the Union, back in 1972 propeller plane went to replace the Mi-8 which is still in demand in Siberia and the Tundra

[hrych]

Quote: himRa

This was also understood in the Union, back in 1972

Therefore, the topic did not go further, that a flawed scheme. The USA is a rich country, it can periodically allow to invest gigantic funds in deadlock projects, though it ends up with a bunch of corpses and a loss of funds, such was the Shuttle, Blackbird, f-117, laser Boeing, now the Osprey needs to be upgraded, of course the tanks will be increased, but due to payload, and the vast survivability tanks themselves will not add. Such modernization is the beginning of agony. We have seen this more than once.

[Vadim237]

They invest not in a dead end, but in practical design - a negative result is also a result, achieving something new: in the development of design, material science, engine building, equipment, metal processing - all invested funds are returned in new technologies.

[hrych]

Quote: Vadim237

They invest not in a dead end, but in practical design

This system is a product of the arms race (fear of falling behind the Soviet Union) and the rush to adopt it, which is beneficial for corporations to milk the budget through lobbying in Congress. The result is sad, NASA is critically dependent on our engines and absolutely dependent on manned space flight, in military aviation there is a complete lag in all performance characteristics of our aircraft due to their sacrifice to steel technology (which, in addition to the benefits to corporations, did nothing). Now Osprey is burying the helicopter production of heavy transporters in the United States, which is why with hysteria, Congress pays for the purchase of our helicopters for Iraq and Afghanistan, and for the delivery of some goods it is necessary to contact us from time to time to rent the Mi-26 (like Ruslan by NASA).

Quote: Vadim237

materials science, engine building, equipment, metalworking

Everything is exactly the opposite. As a rule, the solution of problems in materials science, etc. of these dead-end projects leads to sad consequences. With engines it’s understandable, they ruined the evolution of their engines, but all sorts of coatings, thermal tiles, etc., material science itself is baffling. The shuttle’s thermal protection, thermal plates were made (it’s not very difficult, it’s baked in the oven), but they didn’t and couldn’t have reliable adhesion, the result is sad. The same with Drozd - irrevocable deformation of the airframe when it reaches the speed limit, they could not create the corresponding materials and all wasted. Material science is a very conservative thing; actually, at first glance, these breakthrough machines bumped into it, like a dead end. We also had ekranoplanes, ship materials are heavy, aviation are weak, hence the disaster, the casualties and the closure of the project.

[Asadullah]

We need such vehicles in the Navy

And what was there with the MI-30? Who knows, flyers!

[himRa]

I will try to answer ...
In recent years, the collapse of the USSR did not allow the implementation of the finished project, although it was needed by both civilian and military. This topic was discussed:
https://topwar.ru/20847-konvertoplan-mi-30-proekt
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In the 30s of the last century, Soviet aircraft designers worked out various options for constructing a convertiplane. But further research this business has not moved forward. In 1972, the Mil Design Bureau took up the matter seriously, starting the development of the Mi-30 tiltrotor with two rotary screws that change position along with the engines located in the nacelles.

After the positive results were achieved — the designed machine’s carrying capacity was 5 tons, and the number of transported paratroopers was 32 — the production and testing of prototypes were planned for 1986–1995. However, this project, like dozens of others throughout the country, was closed in connection with the restructuring and subsequent collapse of industry.

Now in Russia they decided to return to the idea of ​​creating an “airplane helicopter”. But while this is happening at the level of research conducted in Russian universities. Which, however, can give a real result. So, at Ukhta University, with the participation of the Moscow Institute of Physics and Technology and TsAGI, the research work “Determining the rational parameters of a new vehicle (tiltrotor) for the northern regions and offshore fields” was carried out.

Based on the results of this research, it’s quite possible to build a tiltrotor having a flight range of 2000 km with 14 passengers on board, including two pilots. The payload of the machine is 3 tons. But, of course, to bring matters to a victorious end requires substantial funding. At the same time, potential investors are well aware that, based on world experience, this business is extremely lengthy and risky.

[UralMan]

Quote: Asadullah

We need such vehicles in the Navy

And what was there with the MI-30? Who knows, flyers!

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Have you asked anyone here? couch generals? bed flyers?
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Google is in the know ... OK Google and all ...
and sofa specialists - decorate your ears with noodles

[Asadullah]

Have you asked anyone here? couch generals? bed flyers?

If you are not like that, then in general there was no need to answer ..... from me personally, you need to respect people, no matter what they are. The applied value of the forums, the value is variable, it is more entertaining. Again, for Asadulla personally, I have the pleasure of communicating in Russian, my fellow soldiers find me by their nickname, and I always bow deeply to unknown people who open up for me sometimes amazing or simply unknown things.

Respectfully to you as well.

[UralMan]

Quote: Asadullah

If you are not like that, then in general there was no need to answer ..... from me personally, you need to respect people, no matter what they are.

Quote: Asadullah

Respectfully to you as well.

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read your little essay training
I was shocked by the simplicity of the presentation of thoughts and their intelligibility, and remembered his training ... the cold was his miserable civic essence, lack of sense, and how it was beaten out from the first days only what was required of you ... you are just a car and nothing more
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thank you for not taking offense in my opinion ... about many here ... it's just my personal ... everyone has the right to understand how he sees it ... and it's good that you understood
RESPECT FOR YOU ...
the land of the righteous is not yet impoverished ....

[Barakuda]

Pretty high-tech machine, can land in pitch darkness and nightmare to the nearest centimeter to the surface. Well, the fact that dear - Amer is no stranger.

[aszzz888]

For the Su-33 a great target!

[xetai9977]

"An excellent target for the Su-33!"
And the Su-33 is a great target for the F-35. So what?

[aszzz888]

xetai9977 Today, 10:29 ↑
"An excellent target for the Su-33!"
And the Su-33 is a great target for the F-35. So what?

And here it is, the grandmother said in two!
Oh, by the way, and this airplane, which the fi-35 still flies?

[11 black]

Quote: xetai9977

"An excellent target for the Su-33!"
And the Su-33 is a great target for the F-35. So what?

Quote: aszzz888

And here it is, the grandmother said in two!

Given that the Su-33 has a relatively weak radar / OLS, and the F-35 is no stealth with a good AFAR radar, it’s rather a target ...
PS It's a pity of course, but 33 is morally outdated, a replacement is needed.

[Vadim237]

"Yes, by the way, and this airplane, which fi-35 still flies" It flies and I must say it flies more than successfully - they have already been released for 300 aircraft.

[aszzz888]

"In the end, a promising fighter will have to avoid a collision with the enemy and carry out combat missions accompanied by other planes."
In addition, the browser claims, "F-35 structural elements made of a special aluminum alloy simply do not withstand high overloads." Also a serious problem is the "unstable operation of the propulsion system and the constant malfunction in the cooling system."

Complete failure: US "pride" F-35C was dangerous for pilots ...
Source: http://politexpert.net/24962-polnyi-proval-gordos
t-ssha-f-35s-okazalsya-opasen-dlya-pilotov
The commissioning of the most expensive American fighter - deck F-35C, intended for the US Navy, is postponed due to discovered technical problems that pose a danger even to pilots. ...
Source: http://politexpert.net/24962-polnyi-proval-gordos
t-ssha-f-35s-okazalsya-opasen-dlya-pilotov

[aszzz888]

Vadim237 Today, 10:58 ↑ New
"Yes, by the way, and this airplane, which fi-35 still flies" It flies and I must say it flies more than successfully - they have already been released for 300 aircraft.

you at least read other information, expert ...

[aszzz888]

Vadim237

Flies and it must be said flies more than successfully - they have already been released under 300 aircraft

For

Vadim237

“It's time to face the truth: due to the fatal mistakes made during the design of the 20 aircraft years ago, the F-35 will always suffer from" weight problems "and overheating. Thus, under this program, we will never get a reliable, low-cost aircraft ",
For

Vadim237 Today, 10:58

To sum up, Fredenburg calls upon Donald Trump to abandon the unprofitable program and “save American taxpayers' money from an unpromising project,” which cost reached $ 1,5 trillion.

Gee, fly, speak? A paper airplane can fly too! Gee!

[Vadim237]

It’s just to the outside experts, it’s better not to listen to developments and tests that are not at all, the plane flies successfully and for a long time "The cost of which has reached $ 1,5 trillion" This amount is not spent, but calculated for the purchase and operation of 2400 F 35 aircraft until 2040. Similar articles, and there were a lot of them, the quotes from which you cited, are designed for suckers who do not have their own opinion and are not able to analyze. And you should not underestimate the enemy - the enemy is strong.

[aszzz888]

xetai9977

Complete failure: US "pride" F-35C was dangerous for pilots ...
Source: http://politexpert.net/24962-polnyi-proval-gordos
t-ssha-f-35s-okazalsya-opasen-dlya-pilotov

The commissioning of the most expensive American fighter, the carrier-based F-35C, intended for the US Navy, has been postponed due to discovered technical problems that pose a danger even to pilots. ...
Source: http://politexpert.net/24962-polnyi-proval-gordos
t-ssha-f-35s-okazalsya-opasen-dlya-pilotov

[SSR]

Quote: aszzz888

For the Su-33 a great target!

Urya Urya Urya !!!!
did you want to say that?
any transporter is an excellent target for a fighter.

Quote: Alexander 3

And what can we compare the firepower of our turntables with a tiltrotor?

Do you also want to compare with the Mi-26?

[aszzz888]

SSR Today, 10:36 ↑

any transporter is an excellent target for a fighter.

What difference does it make from which airplane to feed crabs in the ocean ...
Let him sit in his meritosia and not be brought down.

[gispanec]

Quote: aszzz888

For the Su-33 a great target!

.... no words .... emotion is the same ..

[aszzz888]

gispanec Today, 10:49 AM

wassat fool .... no words .... emotion is the same ..

because there are no comets, there were only snot
and since there are no comets, I advise you to read

demiurg Today, 11:01

[Asadullah]

For the Su-33 a great target!

And I get a stone at any window, on the first floor! And even on the second. Only shhh, nobody!

[aszzz888]

Asadullah

Batman, damn it!

[Alexander 3]

And what can we compare the firepower of our turntables with a tiltrotor?

[himRa]

No, they have different tasks! This PMSM machine for the MTR ... ran into the Papuans completed the task and washed off!

[Thunderbolt]

They can refuel in the air and can themselves be tankers for carrier-based aviation,

April 12 2011
The MV-22B Osprey convertiplanes made their first intercontinental flight, having flown from the Camp Bastion military base in Afghanistan to the Kiarzarj multi-purpose landing craft in the Greek Gulf of Souda, DVIDS reports. The flight distance was 4,5 thousand kilometers. During the non-stop flight, the MV-22B made two mid-air refueling from the accompanying KC-130J Super Hercules tanker aircraft.
In the intercontinental flight, six convertiplanes from the 226th squadron of medium convertiplanes of the 26th expeditionary detachment of the United States Marine Corps took part at https://lenta.ru/news/2011/04/12/osprey/.

[satum]

Yes, Jews are "smart" who only modernize the old, and even then they are not essential.

[Gray brother]

Stereo apparatus. Even the helicopter has a chance to make an emergency landing, right away there is not even that.
Women still give birth ©

[himRa]

Duc .. so yes, dumb combines the properties of an airplane and a helicopter ...

In the tiltrotor to increase the safety of the device, a container with a rescue parachute is inserted into the fuselage body and is located above the passenger compartment.

http://www.findpatent.ru/patent/248/2488524.html

one way to solve the problem

[Gray brother]

Quote: himRa

one way to solve the problem

It has been used for a long time in light engine aircraft, but a heavy parachute system is needed here, and the Americans are doing very poorly with them.

[himRa]

I agree, I would like our discussion not to turn into a dispute ... I don’t know how the rescue system for the crew and the landing party (passengers) is arranged, but I’m sure that it exists and does not agree with you regarding the
Sincerely, colleague Gray brother

[Gray brother]

Quote: himRa

I do not agree with you as regards

Old article from Topvar (2012):
https://topwar.ru/20699-v-22-ospri.html

Since then they have pounded still. In Okinawa, even protests among the population were due to the fact that these examples of advanced design ideas fly over settlements.
Stupid Japanese natives decided for some reason that the device was still dumb.

[demiurg]

What do you admire? That a helicopter, that this freak is a necessary measure. Although, a helicopter can land at least on autorotation. This is not a product of a gloomy genius. In case of a shaft breakage, in case of an accident in any engine, screw pitch mechanism or drive tilt angle, this pepelats cannot sit down. The army and the economy need something with vertical takeoff and landing, that's why they are released. And as for the efficiency, that is not visible tiltroplanes in mass series from "private traders". Ground handling appears to be prohibitively expensive.

[himRa]

I still found a situation when the astronauts were in a trend, ugh you ... in high esteem gave heroes in only one flight due to risk to life and unknown conditions ...
We designed such a “freak” in 1972, apparently we thought that this machine had more pluses
They release not only what we need, but also what we can do, but they admire not the people but the human genius that made it possible to realize science fiction in life!
private traders have cheap gyroplanes but the problem of a low speed helicopter has a place to be!
I am outraged! according to your logic, moving on a chaise is the cheapest and most environmentally friendly way

[sharp-lad]

But if you think about it, then carting is the cheapest and most environmentally friendly way really cheap and environmentally friendly way to get around.

[demiurg]

That's it, they designed it. I was born that year. In the USSR, everything practical very quickly went into series. And the rotorcraft Milevsky remained on paper.
Judging by how the propeller-driven helicopters are progressing (also freaks, but at least worked out), the topic of convertiplanes will close very soon.
The cheapest transportation is by water; only pipelines are cheaper, but they cannot be pushed into a pipe.

[dauria]

... And as for the efficiency, that is not visible tiltroplanes in mass series from "private traders

For private traders, both passenger supersonic is "unprofitable", and hovercraft, so what? This is not an argument.
"In the event of a shaft break, in an accident in any engine, step mechanism ..."
There are malfunctions when no machine can sit down. And an airplane outside the airfield has a very small chance.
Impossible in principle autorotation of tiltrotor propellers? Why?
Yes, an interesting rather rare phenomenon in the photo is the inverse trace of the tips of the blades. The author of the article is a plus sign.

[pimen]

the helicopter, with all its ugliness, is nevertheless, schematically, balanced (the center of gravity under the throwing screw). Separated screws - this is definitely a minus

[demiurg]

A tiltrotor is a sophisticated helicopter. Because of his unique design, he cannot even plan.
I’m even afraid to imagine what kind of aerodynamic processes will occur when landing on autorotation, with bearing wings, and how the load will be redistributed.

[pimen]

In principle, if you connect the screws with a rigid mechanical connection through a central gearbox ... Yes, put an overrunning clutch on each screw ... Yes, think over how to turn this whole economy ... But who will fence such a thing?

[demiurg]

The screws are therefore connected by a rigid shaft. Otherwise, they would be strewed by any failure of one of the engines. You can also put a clutch, think a couple of hundred kilograms :)) But find someone who will try it in the pilot's seat ....

[Приговор]

TTX is impressive. The machine, of course, is in demand in any more or less technological army in the world, including ours. There are only two questions to this machine: 1. Question of price, 2. Question of reliability of operation. Solving them, we get a really good car. Agree, it’s stupid to use the device, the flight hour of which is simply golden, and reliability inspires fears for the life of the crew and passengers.

[voyaka uh]

The first 10 years of service they had a high accident rate. But the sores were cured. Now
accident rate does not exceed helicopter.

[pimen]

quite possible. They and Chinook out how many already flies. However, this does not cancel the viciousness of the scheme, and if it is justified with Osprey, then in the case of Chinook? ..

[bald]

Nice apparatus. And we would be like that. Although development is underway, how soon? "Russian Helicopters holding is working on tiltrotors for the Russian army."

[himRa]

I’m afraid not soon, because we don’t have, long, money like in the USSR!
And the concept of our armed forces rejects operations in foreign territories.

[san4es]

In a small amount, for specific tasks,

[Vladimir Postnikov]

If Russia had such tiltrotors, the Kuzya could be tried to be converted into a landing ship.
If ...

[bald]

And what! is an idea! Four TU-160s, two on each side and on hinges! The Americans will finally go off the roof !!!

[Vladimir Postnikov]

Get a jet carrier. Take off - does not take off, but can swim.

[demiurg]

Quote: Vladimir Postnikov

If Russia had such tiltrotors, the Kuzya could be tried to be converted into a landing ship.
If ...

Where to land? :))

[bald]

How where!? --- Alaska turn around !!! the words of Nicholas 1, just for the Far East !!!

[demiurg]

Why do we need Alaska? :))) In Russia, there is no such thing as a lack of territories.

[Old26]

Quote: bouncyhunter

Judging by the number of envelopes in the USA, the car is not cheap.

Expensive. If you believe the same Wiki, the cost, according to various estimates, ranges from 66 to 116 million dollars per car

Quote: aszzz888

For the Su-33 a great target!

Stupidity dear write. So you can write that for the same F-18, our MI-8 or MI-26 is an excellent target. Or the same IL-76. It is nevertheless necessary to separate the transport helicopter (airplane) by and large from the fighter ...