On the scandal with the sale in Lithuania of M14 rifles donated by the USA

The scandal surrounding the fact that Washington’s donated to the Lithuanian army the M14 rifle of the 1957 model, went wrong, is gaining momentum. It turned out that Lithuanian Gunsmith The fund decided to sell small arms from the United States to individuals.

It came to court. And on the basis of a court decision, transactions on the sale and purchase of rifles to private owners have no legal basis. In this case, the court stated that the transactions have already been completed, and therefore the Lithuanian authorities do not intend to withdraw arms from the new owners. The court noted that the M14 rifles were acquired by private individuals, and “the seizure of private property may strike a blow to the system of trade relations in Lithuania”. Thus, the Lithuanian court actually failed to comply with US demands to withdraw donated rifles from private circulation. The arguments are as follows: in the agreements between Lithuania and the United States it was not stated that rifles should not be sold to third parties.

It turns out that the small arms that came from the United States (as stated) free of charge followed the path that similar deliveries often take in relation to Ukraine. As it is known, already several days after the delivery of army dry rations and military uniforms to Ukraine from the USA, thousands of units of these goods appeared in Ukrainian online stores. For such a sale of responsibility in Ukraine no one bore. Apparently, those who decided to sell American rifles in Lithuania do not expect responsibility either.

Comments

[Sergey F]

It's funny
Give me one, but I will sell it!
No, I don’t need money, I need to arm the one who will fight the partisans in the woods. If it’s not decent to donate a gift, then selling is really more attractive!

[210ox]

It is necessary to rummage on "Avito" .. Maybe the caramultuki still haven't sold out ..

Quote: Sergey F

It's funny
Give me one, but I will sell it!
No, I don’t need money, I need to arm the one who will fight the partisans in the woods. If it’s not decent to donate a gift, then selling is really more attractive!

[bouncyhunter]

Quote: 210ox

It is necessary to rummage on "Avito" .. Maybe the caramultuki still haven't sold out.

Dmitry ! Find it - score two!
In general, the Balts surprised. I didn’t think that they could know anything but sprats. Svidomye, that is, they taught ...

[cniza]

Apparently I really want to eat, so they sell "gifts".

[cast iron]

What are you talking about? It’s just such a legalized form of bribe from the USA to the right politicians and functionaries in Lithuania. Money from the sale of weapons from anyone.

[hedgehog in the fog]

I can’t understand why the Americans are excited, the supply was free of charge and what difference does it make how the labuses will use it.
maybe they wanted them to be armed instead of the SVD, and the SVDs were decommissioned and donated to nusra or igil for free ???
because barmalei then, go not fools to fight with mattress carbines.

[cast iron]

M14 and M21 are very good rifles. Not much inferior to SVD in terms of key indicators.

[hedgehog in the fog]

I understand, just if you directly deliver them to the barmaleys, then many questions will arise, and SVD, it is in Africa SVD

[cast iron]

But what questions can arise if the barmaley use American TOW anti-tank systems without a trace? ))))

[Moore]

Quote: bouncyhunter

In general, the Balts surprised. I didn’t think that they could know anything but sprats. Svidomye, that is, they taught ...

There is nothing surprising, the Lithuanians have always been cunning and their Baltic neighbors are more agile. For example, the Lithuanian retail chain "Maxima" is one of the largest in all three "sisters".
And they didn’t sell weapons to anyone, but to the members of the "Union of Shooters" - they have such an office. There, tightly patriotic characters are seriously going to partisan if anything - they educate the civilian population, campaign and so on.
It would be possible to convey to them as a gift, but why not sell such stubborn Natsik what they tear off with their hands?

[alexmach]

This is normal. Everyone wants to be welded. There are even more hilarious stories. A volunteer tells at the forum from Ukraine: he traveled in parts, taught first aid to the Ukrainian Armed Forces, promised to distribute personal first aid kits to everyone. I collected money for first aid kits somewhere through volunteer channels. Some time passes, his "wards" call him "man, where are the first aid kits?" "Well ... I shipped your company commander" they "we got nothing." I went to figure it out - the commander took these first-aid kits for himself in order to drive them later.

[Banishing liberoids]

Interestingly, if the United States gave them a couple of tanks, would they be put on free sale, or would the local bureaucrats take it for themselves?

[Lukich]

Quote: Exorcist Liberoids

Interestingly, if the United States gave them a couple of tanks, would they be put on free sale, or would the local bureaucrats take it for themselves?

Estonians and Latvians would be rented

[Cat]

Would sell in the US on metal.

[Banishing liberoids]

Remember - "gratuitously" is someone and for money !!!!

[inkass_98]

Yeah, remember Rygorich on occasion. Oil there, you know, gas to Belarus at fraternal prices, and then for some reason their sale over the hill is an item in the budget of the fraternal country. But the brothers are suddenly raising prices for the transit of hydrocarbons. Teksh that all sorts of different "streams" very well justify themselves.

[Bath]

Any sane president would not want to deal with a country where the scale of corruption goes wild. Where domestic and foreign policy is completely dependent on the corruption mafia. In a country where they accrue bonuses in the amount of 95000000 rubles (this is the 250 summer income of a worker with an average salary in Russia of 35000 rubles), and the president says that this is all within the law. What kind of social justice can we talk about? Why are the State Duma deputies developing, adopting, and signing such laws by the president that make life intolerable for one social group and heavenly conditions for another? The President of Belarus sees all this and will never go to the formation of a union state. He will not allow our bloodsuckers to drink blood from the Belarusian people.

[just exp]

I just can’t understand, but why do those who drink blood live better than those who don’t drink blood?
and why do Belarusians go to work in Russian? is it they are going to sell blood for sale?

[Bath]

I just can’t understand, but why do those who drink blood live better than those who don’t drink blood? Is it where we live better than in Belarus? in Moscow? so it’s not Russia))) give us an ordinary collective farm Van a brick house for housing? in Belarus, cowsheds are better than our rural outpatient clinics and there is no need to go gunshot that it’s not provable; I live in the village of Osovo in the Bobruisk district

[Kostya Andreev]

But for some reason, many people want to receive Russian citizenship, including Belarusians.
I don’t live in Moscow and I don’t think it’s so bad in the Russian Federation as you described.
I wonder at whose expense Van give a house in Belarus? Old Man is a hero while Putin is in a good mood, but he will ask for loans to return or he will not give money and the old man has arrived.

[Sergej1972]

Why Moscow is not Russia? Almost one in ten Russians lives in Moscow. And if with the Moscow region, then every seventh. Both in Moscow and in the region it is full of immigrants from all regions of Russia. And better than the average in Belarus, we live in St. Petersburg, and in cities with a population of over one million, and in many parts and regions. Residents of the vast majority of regional, provincial, republican centers of the Russian Federation are on average richer than the inhabitants of regional centers of the Republic of Belarus. The only thing is that the inhabitants of many peripheral rural areas and small towns of a number of Russian territories and regions live worse than residents of similar rural settlements and towns of the regions of Belarus.

[just exp]

and where in Russia is worse than in Belarus? just do not need to compare the capital Minsk and the village of 3 houses in Altai in the taiga.

[Bath]

But do not people live in villages? I live in a village I wrote above about Minsk

[c3r]

And will he drink blood from Russian?

[Reviews]

And from her, in general, what is the point in modern combat? And with logistics: which cartridges are more common - 5,56 or 7,62?
Or did they distribute rifles to private traders as part of the "preparation for partisans against the occupation forces"?

[Lukich]

Quote: Avis

Or did they distribute rifles to private traders as part of the "preparation for partisans against the occupation forces"?

not distributed, but sold. and this is no longer partisanism, but someone’s business

[Großer feldherr]

So, it still stands in armaments in the KMP, where in the sniper version it occupies a niche similar to our SVD, it is a very solid, machine checked by more than one war.
7.62 * 51- is perhaps the most popular cartridge in the world, everything is wonderful with logistics.

[BARKHAN]

Quote: Avis

And with logistics: which cartridges are more common - 5,56 or 7,62?

Both cartridges are in service with NATO countries. Both are in demand. So that you can understand 5,56x45 for assault rifles (assault rifles), and 7,62x51 for machine guns and sniper rifles. This, if for a simple explanation.

[voyaka uh]

We had such M-14s among snipers of fire support groups in the company.
And in the department there was a sniper with M-16 with the same optical sight and also on legs.

[Observer2014]

voyaka uh

We had such M-14s among snipers of fire support groups in the company.
And in the department there was a sniper with M-16 with the same optical sight and also on legs.

Well, it’s clear that it’s not SVD. Although SVD is a much better decision to arm a company sniper. No offense. You Israelis are fighting all the post-Stalinist good against Israel with the Indians in essence. lead the best warriors of the world (I'm talking about Russian), then quite a result is obtained By the way, the Russian military school put your army out of nothing the same way. Or not?

[Kostya Andreev]

Considering the results obtained during a series of Arab-Izril warriors, we can conclude that the best warriors in the world helped and trained the Arabs, and they led (judging by the victories) the Jews.

[core]

a good rifle for personal use, but for the army even for such a "formidable" unnecessarily. competent decision.

[kolkulon]

Shoot with such as in the photo.

[Mwg]

This way of earning minions in the United States is assumed by default. Only they should share with transactions with whom it is necessary. Well, they didn’t share it in Lithuania - the scandal came out.
Judging by the fact that Lithuania was naughty, Barak Khusainovich himself was in their share))))

[Evgenijus]

Old rifle, already in the rarity category. Valued by collectors of weapons, especially if the complete set (optics, ammunition, a document on this weapon ...). Someone earned well, a copy for resale is worth a thousand euros ...

[Reviews]

Quote: Evgenijus

Old rifle, already in the rare book category.

It seems that in connection with Iraq and Afghanistan, they returned part of the rifles to operation for some specific tasks, which 5,56 can not cope with.

[The stranger]

2 bucks to do with the States, where all this is cheap ... Not weak, however.

[Evgenijus]

In the Lithuanian press, the selling price from the warehouse in Euro 300 was announced, and in the market of rare weapons this specimen is ten times more expensive.

[The stranger]

Well, I don’t know Lithuanian, it's hard for me to watch there. On the Bulgarian Internet is not yet shining, and indeed it seems to be quiet in Europe.
Looks like they were pushed into the caches, to partisan. It turns out - not such cretins as dill. And the Americans were burned that they did not understand who and why they were arming. "Private individuals" tries, and their right to property llya ... Now you have to calculate by interest in patrons.

[Evgenijus]

Newcomer:

Well, I don't know Lithuanian, it's hard for me to look there

In Lithuania there is media in Russian: http://ru.delfi.lt/news/live/posle-resheniya-suda
-haos-vse-amerikanskie-vintovki-v-litvy-vernut-ne
-poluchaetsya.d? id = 73363324

[The stranger]

Here it is ...
No, I got the impression that they pushed the whole party. Well, then it's about nothing, and the Americans are dumb little bores.

[bald]

Well, of course !!! --- such a state needs protection. Assign medical orderlies to patients in special. hospitals.

[moskowit]

So what? The resentment grown at the collapse of the Union lives and flourishes. This is what many desired and received. And you, my friends, have you forgotten how our "fucking democrats" traded in parcels with humanitarian aid in the early 90s? How was the property of the Soviet Army sold? How were strategic raw materials transported abroad? Now it is easy to condemn, purse your lips and say "common truths" about good and evil, having plundered your own country and having accounts and real estate over the hill .... Pharisee ... . "So, in our homeland only, only, at best, while they intend to" collect ".... And in other territories, so far only" scattered "...

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: moskowit

... at the beginning of the 90's? How did the property of the Soviet Army sell out?

Like in the GDR, when the troops were withdrawing, PM was not sold in pieces - BAGS... It's okay - weigh me three bags of pistols .... And also, I remember, MiG 23s were sold by one firm to another company at the price of "Zhiguli". I then lived poorly financially - I was reduced from the army, I had not settled in civilian life yet, but my wife, nevertheless, offered to buy a MiG-23 instead of a car - to fly to the dacha And then General Rokhlin tried to dig how exactly Pasha-Mercedes took part there - and his wife quite professionally, with one shot in the temple filled up ... "Out of jealousy" .. Though mine shoots perfectly, but "out of jealousy" would have landed the whole clip into me, without looking where - I asked ... So not only sold, but also transactions washed with blood instead of vodka. Yeltsin Ghoul Guard ...

[moskowit]

"... Yeltsin's ghoul guard." Not a guard, but a gang or crowd. And so everything is correct. Don't tear yourself up. Thank God, everything is fine with you. We should only blame ourselves for the conciliatory, my khataskrajunic position. ...

[Mountain shooter]

Not bad rifles, by the way. Used as sniper, although in accuracy approximately like our dragoons.
And the fact that they sold gifts - so what's so surprising? A freebie - she is such, any Baltic quartermaster will seduce.

[Incvizitor]

M14 model 1957

The museum can be sold.

[romandostalo]

Come on to the museum, it’s quite a normal rifle, I would love to get hold of Mosinka!

[Incvizitor]

I would also be glad to receive a "mosinka", but that is a special case, and when thousands of them give them for free, they immediately start selling them, thousands are not needed by anyone.

[Dimont]

What was presented to them means that the Americans themselves needed it. In general, it is somehow doubtful that "free of charge", pin.dosy themselves are still traders ...

[satum]

Such antiques, probably museums bought .The states probably found how to get rid of junk. Something to give, but not much better - to please))), Jews - they rule

[Normal ok]

Flies separately, - cutlets separately:
1) na, i.e. why)) do they need M-14 ??? really better to sell.
2) most likely the proceeds went to the MO fund.
That is, the article is about nothing.

[Dekabrist]

As always, the news is presented in such a way that it is already slightly wrong. There is normal information.
“There is an unprecedented conflict in Lithuanian-American relations: the United States demanded an explanation from Lithuania in connection with how the M14 sniper rifles, which are highly valued by collectors all over the world, donated to the Lithuanian army, ended up in private hands.

The US Embassy is confident that aid transferred by the US government has been illegally transferred to third parties, despite an agreement to ban the sale of weapons transferred by the Americans.


Incredibly, the M14 semi-automatic rifles in Lithuania were sold freely - anyone who could have the permission to carry weapons could buy them. Moreover, the Armory Fund, which is located in the Ministry of Internal Affairs, sold rifles at very low prices - at 347,54 euros.

“This is actually a very low price, since a collector from any country in the world is ready to pay 25 thousand euros for this weapon,” did not hide the entrepreneur Darius Chekanauskas, who is a member of the Union of shooters.

He is one of eight people who bought this rifle from the fund. But how long will he be able to use it for a long time, he does not know - the Weapons Fund demands the return of a thing legally acquired, promises to return 347 euros for it.

Chekanauskas, like two more buyers, disagrees with the fund's request and does not return the rifle, the other five buyers returned the rifles. The weapons have already been returned to the Lithuanian army.

This rifle during the exercises was tested by the President of Lithuania Dalia Grybauskaite.

The US government transferred these rifles to the Lithuanian army in the 1999 year (they were the main weapons of the American army in the 1959-1970 years). After their modernization, they were used by the Lithuanian military, but then decided to abandon them.

In 2014, the rifles ended up in the Armory Fund, which began to sell them. All were sold at the same price. And two years later, it was decided to return the rifles, since the US government expressed such a wish to the Department of Defense.

The fact that the donated rifles were sold, according to DELFI sources, the Americans learned by chance - collectors spoke about this and the information reached intelligence. Then the United States officially decided to inquire about the fate of rifles. Weapons were sold freely, information on this was on the Internet.

The acting head of the Arms Fund, Jonas Šalaveyus, said that the decision to sell was made by an interdepartmental commission, which included a representative from the Ministry of Defense. He noted that during the transfer of weapons, no one notified that under the agreement between Lithuania and the USA of 2002 of the year, such weapons can not be sold.

Based on this agreement, the United States demanded the return of weapons. It turned out that one of the rifles the person who bought it was resold.

Since the situation could not be resolved peacefully, the Weapons Fund appealed to the Vilnius District Court with a request to declare legal transactions illegal so that buyers returned weapons in exchange for money.

“Honest people understood what was happening, we returned the money to them, they gave us weapons,” said Šalaveyus. “Others, I think, should take into account the current situation, but if they do not, we will wait for a court decision.”

The world is unlikely to be concluded, since the Armory Fund does not offer any alternative.

Meanwhile, entrepreneur Chekanauskas, who bought a very rare rifle, believes that he is in a delicate situation and does not know what to do next. He asks for permission as a member of the Union of Riflemen to use the rifle for life.

“I do not want to part with her,” said the entrepreneur, who also uses her in competitions.

How the weapons donated to Lithuania were sold, Minister of Defense Juozas Olekas could not explain. He promised to find out everything, but then he did not answer calls anymore.

“As far as I remember, the army handed them over to some department, not for sale, but that department gave them not to the Lithuanian army, but to the Arms Fund - it was not we who gave them, as far as I remember,” he said during the first conversation.

[CYBERNINJA]

I did not expect VO to post old news ...

[Dekabrist]

2-3 of the month - are they old?

[CYBERNINJA]

In our information age, this is already old ...

[tuts]

Is capitalism wrong?

[Altona]

Quote: Exorcist Liberoids

Interestingly, if the United States gave them a couple of tanks, would they be put on free sale, or would the local bureaucrats take it for themselves?

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What for? A paid show would be arranged ...

[Kenneth]

And why else besides the sale may need m14

[Pivot]

Quote: Expelling Liberoids

Interestingly, if the United States gave them a couple of tanks, would they be put on free sale, or would the local bureaucrats take it for themselves?

They have so much steel, they would sell for scrap.

[Gost171]

Not so long ago, he wrote about the conservatory and the machine gun on the roof, slumped, not a machine gun, no, collectors with exclusive fuseys were planted cuckoos.

[Strashila]

Means to prepare some kind of muck using this weapon.
In Ukraine, they didn’t just push dry rations and uniforms in the private sector,
the main thing is to hide the presence of foreign troops and mercenaries.
But they are rifles for what and to whom ... time will tell.

[Aandrewsir]

Yes, this is a normal "servile business" - to earn on "handouts" from the Lord!