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"If you do not seek compromises with Russia, you can lose all of Ukraine"

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The press service of the People’s Militia of the LPR informs about the ongoing provocations of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the area of ​​the contact line. In particular, we are talking about new shelling of the territory of the Luhansk People's Republic. From the statement of the official representative of NM LC Major Marochko:


For a day, Ukrainian punishers violated the ceasefire seven times by using weapons prohibited by the Minsk agreements - mortars of 120 and 82 mm caliber. Our intelligence continues to record the rotation and strengthening of the positions of the Ukrainian armed forces near the line of contact. So, in the area of ​​the settlements of Bolotennoye and Sizoe at the positions there are weapons and military equipment of the 14th mechanized brigade in the amount of: infantry fighting vehicles - up to 10 units, tanks - two units - one unit.


Against this background, in Ukraine, certain representatives of political and business elites are calling on official Kiev to reflect on the need to restore partnership with the Russian Federation and, finally, to end the military operation in the Donbas. In particular, such statements were made by the Ukrainian billionaire Viktor Pinchuk, who said that Ukraine is losing both prestige in the international arena and tens of billions of dollars from the confrontation with Russia. According to the billionaire, the arrival of the new administration in Washington will cause obvious changes in the vector of the United States. In addition, in Europe there is a strengthening of the positions of those political forces that are in favor of a compromise with the Russian Federation. Pinchuk noted that Ukraine itself should also strive.

"If you do not seek compromises with Russia, you can lose all of Ukraine"

Viktor Pinchuk


The administration of the President of Ukraine commented on Pinchuk’s statement. The deputy head of the administration of Petro Poroshenko Konstantin Yeliseyev said that "Ukraine proceeds from national interests and will not trade in the territories." To this, representatives of big business in Ukraine stated that without compromise, it is possible to lose not only individual territories, but also the country as a whole ...
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  1. EvgNik
    EvgNik 5 January 2017 13: 48
    +11
    country as a whole

    It seems like they caught on late. How the whole is already lost.
    1. bouncyhunter
      bouncyhunter 5 January 2017 13: 55
      +14
      Victor Pinchuk, who spoke out that from the confrontation with Russia Ukraine loses both credibility in the international arena and tens of billions of dollars.

      This is the most powerful argument! For Svidomozaurus, it's like a carrot for a donkey! But I do not believe that they will take off the pans and change their minds. For too long and hard it was hammered in: "Muscovites are a thief!" ...
      1. 33 Watcher
        33 Watcher 5 January 2017 15: 40
        +2
        Quote: bouncyhunter
        "Muscovites are a thief!" ...

        And this has never stopped them from eating up at the gate. Europe does not give money, it's time to crawl back, beg, and then you can continue shouting about "gilyak".
      2. ochakow703
        ochakow703 6 January 2017 19: 49
        +2
        But I don't want them to "take off the pans and change their minds". It is scary to even imagine how much it will cost Russia to restore what was destroyed and plundered in Ukraine. We will not refuse comprehensive assistance, will we? No. We are brothers, and they are a brotherly people. So after they make a sad face, and even let a tear come in ... we will feed the carriages, shove everything that remains there. But as? Brothers ... mother-mother-mother !!!
    2. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 5 January 2017 13: 59
      +27
      Quote: EvgNik
      It seems like they caught on late. How the whole is already lost.

      Already lost. Not a country anymore, but a "404 territory". We know, we went through this in the 90s. But we were smart enough not to proclaim Vlasov a hero just because he had the slogan "I am for Russia without communists." Did he really think that Hitler, in case of victory, would have allowed the existence of Russia as a state and Russians (as well as Ukrainians, Belarusians, Tatars, Mordovians, etc.) as an ethnic group? Of course not! And Ukraine went further and ended when Bandera and Shukhevych were recognized as national heroes - characters who faithfully served the one who just wanted to destroy Ukraine and everyone else. While Bandera sat on the cracks - Ukraine was. Bandera has become official propaganda-Ukraine as an independent state has ended ....
      1. michajlo
        michajlo 6 January 2017 00: 53
        +3
        Zoldat_A Today, 13:59 ↑
        Quote: EvgNik
        It seems like they caught on late. How the whole is already lost.

        Already lost. Not a country anymore, but a "404 territory". ... And Ukraine went further and it ended when Bandera and Shukhevych were recognized as national heroes - characters who faithfully served the one who just wanted to destroy Ukraine and everyone else. While the Bandera members were sitting in the cracks, Ukraine was. Bandera became official propaganda - Ukraine as an independent state ended ...


        Welcome all!
        You are right dear "Zoldat_A"! Sorry, I don't know how to dignify you.
        But UKRAINE as a Power, (of which I am still a citizen until I obtain Russian citizenship in a few years) - no longer! Although its founders are still listed today Bandera and Shushkevich, traitors and criminals, and what's the saddest thing there are many more people living in Ukraine, they are still considered to be the founders ...
        Now, while this nonsense from the stupefied heads of Ukrainian patriots will disappear, still a lot of water in Prut and Yew (Prut is a border river in Chernivtsi region / "Northern Bukovina" and Tisa is a border river in Transcarpathia / "Subcarpathian Rus"), not to mention the Dnieper and Desna ....
        1. Parsec
          Parsec 6 January 2017 01: 17
          +1
          Quote: michajlo
          Although its founders today are still Bandera and Shushkevich, traitors and criminals,


          Shushkevich, although a state criminal, has nothing to do with Ukraine.
          Shukhevych among Ukrainians in the founding heroes, Shukhevych.
          Careful need.
          1. michajlo
            michajlo 6 January 2017 02: 14
            +1
            Parsec Today, 01:17 ↑
            Quote: michajlo
            Although its founders today are still Bandera and Shushkevich, traitors and criminals,


            Shushkevich, although a state criminal, has nothing to do with Ukraine.
            Shukhevych among Ukrainians in the founding heroes, Shukhevych.
            Careful need.


            Thanks for the correction, dear "Parsec", sorry, I don't know how to call you by name, You're right! Shukhevych not Shushkevich!
        2. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 6 January 2017 11: 05
          +7
          Quote: michajlo
          So far, this nonsense from the stupefied heads of Ukrainian patriots will disappear, a lot of water will flow away in the Prut and Tis

          Somewhere here I once wrote a few comments, summing up which we can say that a GENERATION has grown in Ukraine, which believes in Bandera. And the Ukraine that we knew, where we went to relatives, where I, a ten-year-old kid, bought a bucket of huge pears at Xinumx station for 50 kopecks - it won’t be there until this Bandera generation dies out. It can not be redone. With the help of a belt, a ten-year-old boy can explain who Bandera is, to turn consciousness in the other direction. 25-35 years - only a bullet will fix it. I’m already for 70, I won’t see Ukraine TOY. I think that my grandson of fifteen will not see either. Only Ukraine must make a choice itself - when the Bandera carcasses will hang on poles on Khreshchatyk - then we can assume that Ukraine has changed its mind ....

          PS My name is Alex - in the profile it is written ... hi
          1. michajlo
            michajlo 6 January 2017 19: 32
            +2
            Zoldat_A Today, 11:05 ↑ New
            Quote: michajlo
            So far this nonsense ...
            Already somewhere here I once wrote a few comments, summing up which we can say that a GENERATION has grown in Ukraine, which believes in Bandera. And the Ukraine that we knew where we went to see my relatives, where I, a ten-year-old kid, bought a bucket of huge pears at the Sinelnikovo station for 50 kopecks — it won’t exist until this Bandera generation dies out. ... Only Ukraine must make a choice itself - when the Bandera carcasses will hang on poles on Khreshchatyk - then we can assume that Ukraine has changed its mind ....
            PS My name is Alex - in the profile it is written ..


            You are right Aleksey, that "the ideas of Bandera as liberators of Ukrainian lands from Muscovites" will poison the minds and thoughts of the intoxicated Ukrainian youth for many decades, because there are not many experienced Bandera supporters left, but there are still many admirers among adult citizens, inhabitants of Western Ukraine the cult of Bandera and Shukhevych. In this matter, one can only sadly sum up that American dollars (about 5 billion), spent by the West on reinterpreting the history of Little Russia (Ukraine) brought the fruits of discord and enmity. And here Russia, from propaganda and war for the minds of Ukrainians, has withdrawn, and now, after 25 years of dominance in the territory of the former Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic of Western ideas and views, we in Russia had to REAP THE FRUITS OF INACTIVITY and let the Ukrainian medial space let go.
            Russia has left, but the West has quickly fumbled, and here you are, "and Maidan and ATO" in the east of Ukraine ...
            True, whether the higher authorities of Russia have learned a lesson from this fact - for the time being, I do not understand.
            1. Zoldat_A
              Zoldat_A 6 January 2017 20: 44
              +3
              Quote: michajlo
              True, whether the higher authorities of Russia have learned a lesson from this fact - for the time being, I do not understand.

              Late lessons to learn - and a few more decades will be too late. It remains only to look at what the Gorbachev-Yeltsin gang has done ..... After all, the current Bandera and their children are also raising them. Something terrible must happen to Ukraine, so that they understand what they have done ...
    3. Luga
      Luga 5 January 2017 13: 59
      +4
      Quote: EvgNik
      country as a whole

      It seems like they caught on late. How the whole is already lost.

      As a whole country is lost even without taking Crimea into account, this is understandable, but they have not yet come to their senses, while only barking, doing nothing. And time works for Russia. We must pay tribute to our president - he knows how to put the opponent in zugzwang and time trouble at the same time in his debut.
      1. 210ox
        210ox 5 January 2017 16: 51
        +2
        This is something from the "Kamasutra" .. In the opening, zugzwang and time trouble at the same time. wassat
        Quote: Luga
        Quote: EvgNik
        country as a whole

        It seems like they caught on late. How the whole is already lost.

        As a whole country is lost even without taking Crimea into account, this is understandable, but they have not yet come to their senses, while only barking, doing nothing. And time works for Russia. We must pay tribute to our president - he knows how to put the opponent in zugzwang and time trouble at the same time in his debut.
        1. Luga
          Luga 5 January 2017 20: 39
          0
          Quote: 210ox
          This is something from the "Kamasutra" .. In the opening, zugzwang and time trouble at the same time.

          Made fun of smile
          I imagined what a debut with zugzwang and time trouble in the style of the Kama Sutra might look like. repeat There is already not enough fantasy for the endgame ... request
    4. vovanpain
      vovanpain 5 January 2017 14: 03
      +19
      representatives of large business in Ukraine said that without compromise, you can lose not only certain territories, but also the country as a whole ...

      Previously, one had to think the word to the Poles:
      POPULARS - YOU ALWAYS WERE - OUR SLOWS! Gentlemen - Bandera, I am a citizen of Poland, I graduated in
      Moscow. I know well the great Russian language, Russian culture. I will bring
      some convincing theses, which, I hope, will open you eyes and lead you into reality. In vain do you think that having entered - into the European Union, you will live like in paradise. A beggar Ukraine with an economy destroyed by YOU - nobody needs anyone! DO NOT NEED - your goods in Europe! You also do not NEED anyone in Europe! Nobody is waiting for you smart-hell! Learn this once and for all. Lords the Americans did a good job with you, LAUGHED like a silly little dog - to Russia, staged a coup - with your hands, promising you golden mountains! They planted their puppet - Poroshenko, who doesn’t even go to the toilet without the permission of the American ambassador and daily LIES from the screens of pocket TV !!! What did you get as a result - for your Kholuysky helpfulness? NOTHING!!!
      Not a cent has been invested - in your economy, in your education and health care! You are only supplied with - Used weapons and rusty equipment (including our Polish government) that you KILL each other and as much as possible. YOU - THROW, like the last losers! Wet each other - this is the policy of your master, which you are successfully implementing, BRAVO! The Russians RETURNED - their Crimea. We, the Poles, We will return - THREE of our regions from Ukraine, which historically belong to Poland. That's when we are AN EXTRAORDINARY broom your Bandera - bandit evil spirits from our land, along with the monuments to the bloody maniac Bandera. We remember - Volyn massacre, we honor - history, unlike you. You do the same thing - now in the Donbass. You will answer for this, and we will help. You will wash yourself with your blood. For several centuries you WAS - our Slaves, slaves, Pigs, And we did - with you everything that we wanted and will still do. You were born - Slaves and them will die! You are no longer fit for anything. We will REMEMBER to you - your servile duty - to SERVE, if you over the years - first the AUTHORITIES of the Russian tsars - who GIVED you to the ungrateful dogs FREEDOM, and then the Soviet authorities - you Forgot it and forgot how. You are FORGOTTEN, and we will REMEMBER to you. In our trams until 1937 there were signs: The entrance to Ukrainians and animals was only in the back door. Slave, he is - Slave and must always - KNOW your place! You lackeys and thankless corrupt pigs - biting the hand that feeds you. You TRIED - Russian. TRIED both us and we know it. Therefore - there is NO faith in you! You DO NOT BROTHERS, we HATE you. You can only CLEAN - our toilets are your mission in Europe. These Russians consider you brothers, but I don’t understand why. For what
      can the NATION - Traitors be considered brothers ??? You do not have a place in the European Union. It won’t be - you have neither Euro-salary, nor Europensius - for this you need to plow and plow. And you do this - you don’t know how and don’t want to, you CAN - just ASK and lick - the ass of the next owner for the cookie. You tell us LIZAL, Germans - LISSAL, now with zeal LICKING - ass Americans! This is yours - an honorable profession! Looking through your comments on social networks, you get the feeling that you are ALL patients - Psychiatric hospitals! Only brainless, stupid sheep can carry such nonsense! Sober up, until it’s too late, expel the villains from power and work for the good of your country. Nobody will give you anything just like that - neither the European Union, nor the IMF, nor the Americans. And you like that - you have OVERCOMED, ​​a hundred years ahead - because you also have NOTHING anything else from the Russians! Shop - closed! Freebies - WILL NOT! Something like that.
      ok.ru/group51787557896325/topic/66176206097285 And for once, I completely agree with the Polish. repeat
      1. goncharov.62
        goncharov.62 5 January 2017 14: 22
        +1
        "Let's return - THREE our regions from Ukraine, which historically belong to Poland."
        Only beyond the out-block status of Polonia. Well, and nuclear free. Something like this...
    5. OLD FART
      OLD FART 5 January 2017 14: 04
      +3
      Quote: EvgNik
      country as a whole

      It seems like they caught on late. How the whole is already lost.

      It’s lost, but Ukraine is being kept west by any means ... Trying to tie the bulk of the population with blood, against Russia .. It will be difficult for us in the future ...! But still

      We are poisoned by the Slavs, forcibly .... A terrible thing, well, what will the men fight ...? To the joy of Parashenko and K. ..?
    6. Vadivak
      Vadivak 5 January 2017 14: 08
      +5
      Quote: EvgNik
      It seems like they caught on late. How the whole is already lost.


      For what they fought for it and ran into it, did they think about the country on the Maidan?
  2. Alexander 3
    Alexander 3 5 January 2017 13: 49
    +2
    A prostitute is used by everyone who pays. And there are also community work days. This is me about the government of Banderostan.
    1. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 5 January 2017 14: 02
      +6
      Quote: Alexander 3
      A prostitute is used by everyone who pays.And there are subbotniks .

      Yes, there, in my opinion, seven days a week subbotnik. They pay Poroshenko with a gang, and everyone who is not lazy is using the country for free ... Even Saakashvili - and he used it - in the 2008-m deliveries of weapons (removed from the database in Ukraine, by the way!) And now in Odessa ... Nothing there , that country, let me say it, the countries - the rear does not hurt from its own independence?
  3. Teberii
    Teberii 5 January 2017 13: 49
    0
    Woz and still there, you can say anything. The result is zero.
  4. Nevsky_ZU
    Nevsky_ZU 5 January 2017 13: 50
    +4
    They want to suck again, they say the demon has beguiled me. Peace in the Donbas is good. But it is not necessary to feed the Russian-Bandera society economically, and Pinchuk did a lot for this. The same Dnipropetrovsk is his hometown, the capital of Russian-speaking Russophobes. No, we need tough guarantees. If such at all possible. The best guarantee is to enter the North Stream-2. Then let maydanutye x ... men learn to live being a spare. Well, for example, North Stream-1 for repairs will be closed, and so be a couple of months the gas will go through the Square, but so that the fat does not appear. As fat appears, they immediately believe that they are feeding Russia, etc.
    1. Methane
      Methane 5 January 2017 14: 07
      0
      Pinchuk - complete and scum. Judas, one word, and, equally, the evonny testishko-kuchma ...
  5. fif21
    fif21 5 January 2017 14: 01
    +2
    The withdrawal of the Armed Forces of the Armed Forces from the Lugansk and Donetsk regions, the recognition of Bandera fosterlings as criminals - this is what will lead Ukraine to peace. And it will change the attitude of the EU and Russia to it hi
    1. volodya
      volodya 5 January 2017 14: 06
      +2
      Quote: fif21
      The withdrawal of the Armed Forces of the Armed Forces from the Lugansk and Donetsk regions, the recognition of Bandera fosterlings as criminals - this is what will lead Ukraine to peace. And it will change the attitude of the EU and Russia to it hi

  6. bald
    bald 5 January 2017 14: 06
    +3
    "In addition, in Europe, there is a strengthening of the positions of those political forces that are in favor of a compromise with the Russian Federation. Pinchuk noted that Ukraine itself should strive for the same." --- What compromises are we talking about? With the disgrace that has been done - Russia will dictate, not compromise.
  7. captain
    captain 5 January 2017 14: 36
    +2
    Russia doesn’t need such a country, let the lands that the Bolsheviks presented to Ukrainian nationalists (8 of modern regions of Ukraine) be handed over to us, and let the rest share what they want and how they want.
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 5 January 2017 14: 42
      +5
      Quote: captain
      Russia doesn’t need such a country, let the lands that the Bolsheviks presented to Ukrainian nationalists

      Right and not only the Bolsheviks

  8. irbis0373
    irbis0373 5 January 2017 14: 39
    +3
    The country has already been lost. And this government and the president simply can’t do anything in terms of preserving the country, or rather he doesn’t want to do nothing. They just have different tasks - no care for the country, but to fill up a pocket and plunder what remains.
  9. svp67
    svp67 5 January 2017 14: 54
    +3
    "If you do not seek compromises with Russia, you can lose all of Ukraine"
    The question is, who will look for them. Such as this one, a lady by the name of Gerashchenko, representing the current government in Kiev at the talks in Minsk

    According to this plan:
    1. irbis0373
      irbis0373 5 January 2017 15: 10
      +1
      So with any of these compromises is never impossible, they by their essence will not go to it.
  10. PValery53
    PValery53 5 January 2017 15: 19
    0
    V. Pinchuk senses where the wind is blowing. And therefore, reasoning, based on their interests. On this basis, if hohlosvidomye want to live, let them bow to Russia and admit their guilt of all sins in Ukraine. Because, otherwise, it will be obviously worse for hohlobandera. After all, execution is worse than some, but life.
  11. Egor-dis
    Egor-dis 5 January 2017 15: 27
    +2
    Pinchuk - just pereobulsya. I sensed where a new wind was blowing.
  12. yuriy55
    yuriy55 5 January 2017 16: 04
    +2
    We are on the verge of forming Western Ukrainian autonomy as part of the eastern lands of Poland ??? laughing
  13. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 5 January 2017 16: 25
    +3
    Common sense and grunks are incompatible things. They will trade Russophobia, not noticing that this product is no longer for sale. Amba. They got the horses. Now only in parts. New Russia, Little Russia, Galicia. And we'll see.
  14. Ishida
    Ishida 5 January 2017 16: 38
    +2
    Ukraine became part of the Russian kingdom in 1654, within the borders of 1654. This is your independent Ukraine. The only solution to the problem is to return to the borders in which Ukraine was part of Russia!
  15. Al. Peresvet
    Al. Peresvet 5 January 2017 22: 56
    +2
    Rather, they would have banished these non-people from the BanderaFashikovMaidowns from Ukraine! And so that later, Ukraine, Ukrainians, by their will and desire and their request from the Russians, became part of Russia. Voluntarily.