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Black anniversary in the Russian economy

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Exactly 25 years ago, the government of the Russian Federation made a decisive step into the abyss of a market economy. It all started 2 January 1992 of the year with the liberalization of retail prices. Later, her and other steps of the Russian authorities will be called "shock therapy of the economy", or "Gaidar's reforms." Shock really was. It's true. For some reason, I remember an ordinary jar of sour cream from that time (then it was sold in glass containers). Before the holiday, at the end of December 1991, I bought it at 1 ruble 40 kopecks. After the new year on the price tag of the nearest store stood - 14 rubles. And it was a shock!


Black anniversary in the Russian economy


According to the International Monetary Fund patterns

Later, official statistics will report that in the first month of liberalization, prices rose 3,5 times (by 345,3%). But this is how the average temperature in the hospital. The armored beds that were not in demand, for example, did not rise in price, and the prices of products rushed ten or more times. The statisticians put it all together, divided and received the very 345,3%, which then, like a flag, pseudo-reformers will wave to justify their professional incompetence and human dishonesty.

It all started in the fall of 1991. In October, President Boris Yeltsin announced proposals for improving the country's economy at the V Congress of People's Deputies of the Russian Federation. They included privatization, price liberalization, commodity intervention, the conversion of the ruble. They decided to start with price liberalization. She was assigned first to December 1, then transferred to the 16. Then finally decided - 2 January 1992 of the year.

All these transfers the government official explained the disagreement of the other Union republics with the proposed measures. In fact, the real center of the country, which existed at that time and, above all, the USSR State Bank, was the real brake on Russian initiatives.

This barrier will be removed in Belovezhskaya Pushcha 8 December 1991 of the year. Here, in the suburban government residence "Viskuli", the leaders of Belarus, Russia and Ukraine, by the right of the founders of the USSR, will sign an agreement on its dissolution. The government of the Russian Federation will open a direct road to market reforms.

They were prepared by a group of Russian economists headed by Yegor Gaidar. All the events of “shock therapy” will be associated with his name, they will be called “Gaidar's reforms”, which will become an excessive exaggeration for this odious person now for many Russians.

Egor Timurovich Gaidar received a classical Soviet-era education at the economic faculty of Moscow State University. Then there were postgraduate studies, work in the Research Institute of System Studies, the journal of the Communist Party Central Committee Kommunist, and the economics department of the Pravda newspaper.

So Yegor Gaidar grew to the post of director of the Institute of Economic Policy of the Academy of National Economy of the USSR. Her Gaidar took at the end of 1990 of the year. By that time, a group of ambitious young economists had formed around him. Something like popular at the time of informal associations of interests.

In the summer of 1990, interest in socialist economy reforms led this group to the Hungarian city of Sopron. Here, American economists (William Nordhaus of Yale University, Rudiger Dornbusch of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and others) held a seminar where they instructed socialist ignoramuses on the program of radical economic reforms.

At the seminar in Sopron, the future "reformers" of Russia - Yegor Gaidar, Anatoly Chubais, Peter Aven and other people now known in the country listened to the reports of Western experts. Topics were very special. The seminar dealt with shock therapy, price liberalization, financial stabilization while minimizing government spending and other radical reforms necessary for the transition to the market.

After a year and a half, all this joy through the efforts of the Gaidar group will overwhelm Russia. It must be said that Nordhaus, Dornbush and the company were not taught by Russian economists according to their textbooks. A year earlier, the English economist John Williamson formulated a set of rules of economic policy for Latin American countries, prescribing how to rise to the level of developed countries.

The principles formed by Williamson reflected the position of the American administration, the International Monetary Fund, the World Bank, and leading American think tanks with headquarters in Washington. Hence came the term for the rules of John Williamson - “Washington Consensus”.

In the “consensus” only ten points: liberalization of foreign trade, deregulation of the economy, reduction of restrictions on foreign direct investment, privatization, protection of property rights, free exchange rate of the national currency, liberalization of financial markets, reduction of marginal tax rates, maintaining a minimum state budget deficit, priority government spending only spending on health, education and infrastructure.

Even a quick glance at the rules of Williamson shows from where the feet of Gaidar's reforms “grow.” It seems that this information will be very useful to people who still see in Yegor Gaidar an innovator and pioneer of the new postsocialist economy. It is clear that Gaidar did exactly as prescribed in the Washington Consensus.

Ruslan Khasbulatov directly speaks about this. Also, by the way, an economist, a corresponding member of the Russian Academy of Sciences. In 1991, Khasbulatov headed the Supreme Council of the Russian Federation and chaired the V Congress of People's Deputies, which made dramatic decisions for the country.

Ruslan Imranovich testifies: “the reform program in Russia as an integral document” did not exist. The transformations that were launched in January of 1992 and were called “shock therapy” were based on “strict recommendations and requirements of the International Monetary Fund”.

Where did the “Gaidar team” lead Russia?

Nevertheless, the government propaganda machine declared Yegor Gaidar a reformer. Responsibility for the trouble that this young team brought to the country fell on him. Nevertheless, her actions are still trying to justify. These days, the black anniversary of the “Gaidar reforms”, it would seem, no one should have any illusions about the disastrous results of the work of the Yeltsin-Gaidar government for the country. (Let me remind you that Yegor Gaidar was only the Deputy Chairman of the Government of the RSFSR on economic policy issues, who received unlimited carte blanche for actions.)

However, many resources recalled the “reforms” and praised Gaidar for the fact that he “saved the country from starvation”. No serious facts were given to substantiate this argument, but they were illustrated with photographs of empty counters in food stores of that time. Really.

The food supply difficulties at the end of 1991 were incredible. People could not even buy groceries. The thing is that this problem was created by the irresponsible team of Gaidar. Having dragged the decree on the release of retail prices in October through the Congress of Deputies, the “government of reformers” made a two-month pause before the decision came into effect.

Naturally, we stopped waiting for the upcoming income and food suppliers. They had something to trade. In the 1991 year, although not the most fruitful, the Russian Federation collected 90 million tons of grain, chopped up more than 9 million tons of meat, fed more than 50 million tons of milk. So sour cream for 14 rubles per jar stood on the January 1992 counter of the year from domestic raw materials.

After the “Gaidar reforms”, production in all sectors without exception will collapse, people will lose their jobs and income. For many years, experts will compare the Russian economy with the level of 1991 of the year. On grain, the country will return to it only in 2008, on meat - in 2015, on milk it will not rise until now. Today, Russian livestock breeders rejoice at the annual 30 million tons of milk.

Academician Oleg Bogomolov, in the midst of reformatory raging, wrote that allegations about the critical state of the economy were myths that Gaidar had armed propaganda to justify his policies. To justify was for what.

The production of goods and products in the country suffered incredibly. At that time there was an established order for years. The manufacturer shipped the finished product and immediately put a collection order to the bank for its payment. Money is debited from the account to the account. Now he went to the new prices. As a result, within a few weeks, the circulation of circulation swept to dryness the working capital of enterprises and led to a non-payment crisis.

In the summer, the new chairman of the Russian Central Bank, Viktor Gerashchenko, managed to solve this problem through a multi-stage system of netting. By the fall, non-payments had grown with a new force and had destroyed many quite efficient enterprises. How else? In the Washington Consensus on the preservation of industry, Gaidar was not prescribed anything.

On the contrary, as we remember, Western ideologists of economic shock generally excluded from their proposals the financing of defense, industry, other sectors of the economy, and even social obligations. Left only education, health and infrastructure. So the Russian government acted.

The budget is thoroughly spoiled. State investments were cut by 1,7 times, arms purchases - by 5 times. In order to save budgetary funds, underwater missile carriers, missile systems and missiles, airplanes, warships, unique missile railroad complexes, and many other things constituting the military power of Russia were launched under the knife.

You can write a lot about the troubles brought to the country by the Yeltsin – Gaidar government. Sometimes people ask themselves: was it worth it to break the economy in such a way as to move to the market with its often dubious advantages? Advanced economists answer memorized: the state economy is inefficient.

In this case, somehow forget the example of the former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher. The Thatcher government without hesitation nationalized unprofitable British enterprises. Sanitized them, brought to mind. Then sold with profit. Yes, and the Russian economy largely rests today, as on pillars, on state corporations.

Finally, maybe the transition to the market should have been made less painful, not shock. There is an example of China, Vietnam and other countries. Gaidar himself said that at the time of the formulation of reforms, the Chinese economy was extremely weak and could not serve as an example to follow.
Knowledgeable people consider this excuse of the “reformer” as slyness.

Academician Oleg Bogomolov, already mentioned here, for example, believed that "the right and less painful way of transition to the market is not shock therapy, but the purposeful and steady deployment of market institutions and tools in a two-sector economy."

A gradual transition to the market was considered by the Russian authorities, but was rejected. Yegor Gaidar was assisted by the head of a group of economic advisers to Russian President Boris Yeltsin, an American, Jeffrey Sachs. The overseas expert convinced Yeltsin that the gradual transformation of the economy carries with it the risks of the return of the communists to power. A guarantee of this can only be quick reforms.

It is Gaidar's star time and black time is for Russia. Since then, 25 years have passed. The country has gone through economic hard times, but never fully recovered from it. Time and people could not heal all the wounds inflicted on Russia by reformers Yegor Gaidar ...
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  1. 210ox
    210ox 5 January 2017 07: 07
    +24
    Yes, it still continues .. And I think that the biggest blow to the economy was not price liberalization, but unlimited access of foreign goods to store shelves. And unlimited access for adventurers and swindlers of all stripes to the country's economy ..
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    2. Bayonet
      Bayonet 5 January 2017 19: 31
      +9
      Quote: 210ox
      And I think that the biggest blow to the economy was not price liberalization, but unlimited access of foreign goods to store shelves.

      It used to be better smile
      1. Mahmut
        Mahmut 7 January 2017 12: 52
        +1
        Accusing liberalization of prices and Gaidar personally of impoverishment of the population is the height of hypocrisy on the part of Mr. Sue. One of the myths is that price liberalization has depreciated monetary savings. I will explain why.
        If you had 1991 thousand rubles on your book or under your pillow in 15, then no one bothered you to think that you could buy two new Zhiguli or a railway carriage with granulated sugar. But in fact, no matter how many bills you have in your pocket, they will not sell you a single car and no more than 1 kg of sugar per month. A sane person understands that if the commodity supply (supply) does not cover financial possibilities (demand), then the price of money as a means of payment drops to the cost of the cut paper. This outrage began 5 years before the start of price liberalization. That is, the population was robbed by the communists back in 1987. Even then, household deposits have depreciated to the cost of one kilogram of sugar. But at the same time, the semblance of "wealth" persisted - the zeroes in savings books were not crossed out, and the price tags for the missing goods were not raised. The situation is, as they say, with a bare bottom, but in a tie. And Gaidar's only fault is that he eliminated this semblance of well-being. Of course, no guilt, although it cannot be called an achievement. Maybe it would even be useful if the union had not collapsed.
      2. Romans
        Romans 7 January 2017 13: 23
        +2
        So how do you, dear, have survived to this day? You didn’t eat anything, you didn’t drink, you didn’t dress! Probably God's grace has come upon you? Although no, God doesn’t help, rather the devil.
  2. Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 5 January 2017 07: 17
    +31
    Time and people could not heal all the wounds inflicted on Russia by the reformers of Yegor Gaidar ...
    The key word is PEOPLE. With all the allegations that GDP is on the right track, there is a lot of evidence to the contrary.
    In education, there is no reversal to the Soviet system of upbringing and education - as before, we continue to grow a mediocre consumer. Mitrofanushek.
    In the economy, we continue to focus on export, not on the domestic market. I have always been amazed by the approach of the Japanese - they make better quality for the domestic market than for export. And we have a proverb - "To my uncle's wife, to my aunt ...."
    I was especially outraged by the "Personal Triumph of Putin" - the sale of a stake in Rosneft. Meaning? Need money? Rosneft's profitability is higher than that of US GKOs, and we have over 100bn there. $. Isn't it easier to pull funds out of the economy of a potential enemy?
    The introduction of a progressive taxation scale has stalled for years.
    Well, again, the Yeltsin center - isn't it time to recognize Yeltsin as at least a loser, and not to ode him as a great reformer? You can't build a good house on a bad foundation. And we still live according to the constitution, written under the control of "friends" from overseas. And this is with the absolute majority of the ruling party in the Duma.
    So the Gaidar team is still at the helm.
    1. Kolya
      Kolya 5 January 2017 07: 53
      +12
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      And this is with the absolute majority of the party in power in the Duma.
      So the Gaidar team is still at the helm.

      Make-up Gaidar at the helm now. They say that people like it and do what is in their selfish interests. The king is good, the boyars are bad. It was such an illusion that the boyars could not be removed, because the king is a good one. But he does not see anything. But he is good. Do not stop the king - the boyars will not stop. Gaidar reforms are ongoing.
      1. michajlo
        michajlo 6 January 2017 02: 33
        +4
        Ingvar 72 Yesterday, 07:17 New
        Time and people could not heal all the wounds inflicted on Russia by the reformers of Yegor Gaidar ...
        The key word is PEOPLE. With all the allegations that GDP is on the right track, there is a lot of evidence to the contrary.
        ...
        Kolya Yesterday, 07:53 ↑ New
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        And this is with the absolute majority of the party in power in the Duma.
        So the Gaidar team is still at the helm.

        Make-up Gaidar at the helm now. They say that people like it and do what is in their selfish interests.
        ...
        Welcome all!
        As if your statements, did not cut the ears of the cheers, but You are both completely right!
        Now, only the Guarantor himself and ALL government officials from Medvedev in the region and the city, say that the people sound nice, but everything is done only in the interests of a handful of criminal rich and senior government officials, but for the interests of the people and the country itself, in general, the highest authorities today just do not give a damn, like all the last 25 years! truth this "Russian roulette" of the country's top leadership, check until the people endure patience, sooner or later will play a cruel joke with Russia, and popular turmoil or riots, I can sweep across Russia, from simple pogroms of migrants, foreigners, foreigners, even targeted deliberations of state institutions and government officials, banks and other objects. I probably would not want to see any of us repeat the two revolutions of 1917, but it is quite possible that big problems with popular discontent can happen much earlier than in 5-7 years ...
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 5 January 2017 09: 47
      +4
      "The introduction of a progressive scale of taxation has been stalled for many years." Alas, entering this scale will not give anything - just private traders will hide their income even more. But a significant reduction in officials at all levels and the transfer of their functions to one window will be a very effective measure from the point of view of economic efficiency.
      1. Stanislas
        Stanislas 5 January 2017 16: 49
        +1
        Quote: Vadim237
        The introduction of a progressive taxation scale has stalled for a year ... But a significant reduction in officials at all levels and the transfer of their functions to one window will be a very effective measure
        But this is not the first decade that has stalled. Computer engineers had a project for a long time, from the moment when the 1st NGO congress took place in the Kremlin.
        1. Stanislas
          Stanislas 5 January 2017 17: 33
          +1
          Quote: Stanislav
          For computer engineers, the project has long been
          Foolishness froze - at IT-specialists, network designers.
      2. Kenneth
        Kenneth 5 January 2017 17: 15
        0
        Emperor Vladimir I AM FOR.
  3. olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 5 January 2017 08: 26
    +24
    The market has nothing to do with it. There is no market economy in the country, however, neither is the country's economy.
    I’m very interested, those who have lowered economic processes to the bottom and today announce the upcoming growth, then where will this growth be directed? To the deepening of the bottom, so that was where to continue to sink?
    If the goal was really set in the 90s to make the economy effective, then completely different steps would have been taken.
    In short, a program was developed to transfer all state property to the hands of a group of people who were to follow instructions from outside. The purpose of these guidelines is to destroy the country's economy, leave the raw materials sector to supply cheap raw materials to the west.
    I do not see the market. There is capitalism, or rather, a country-supplier of strategic resources to the economy of the West. And the rest is continuous administration, an endless withdrawal of funds from the population. Yes, inflation caused by the depreciation of the ruble is a way to withdraw money from the population, to deprive the possibility of accumulation and financial independence. Once again, Nabiullina was delighted in the West with her actions, because she acts in the interests of the Western economy — such is the price of successful macroeconomic indicators.
    1. michajlo
      michajlo 6 January 2017 02: 38
      +4
      olimpiada15 Yesterday, 08:26 a New
      The market has nothing to do with it. There is no market economy in the country, however, neither is the country's economy....

      Welcome all!
      You are completely right dear "olimpiada15" and your remarks are accurate. But to your question: Where will the ECONOMIC GROWTH take us (the country of Russia) ?, so far an encouraging answer is NO, only a hunch of an early denouement, and obviously it will not be bloodless.
    2. Serega86
      Serega86 7 January 2017 07: 34
      0
      Nabiullina once again caused delight in the West with her actions, because she acts in the interests of the Western economy
      I do not agree, Nabiulina acts correctly as the head of the central bank, all decisions are made with the approval of the president, the ministers only prepare projects for him that he either approves or not
      1. olimpiada15
        olimpiada15 7 January 2017 16: 38
        0
        Serega86 "Nabiulina acts correctly as the head of the central bank, all decisions are made with the approval of the president, the ministers only prepare projects for him, which he either approves or not"
        The Central Bank of the Russian Federation is an integral part of the global financial system and for numerous economic terms, the mechanism operates in such a way that the Russian economy will always be a raw materials appendage of the West. What Nabiullina does is consistent with the postulates of this theory, and therefore cannot contribute to the economic growth of the Russian Federation. The figures for GDP growth are achieved by reducing the purchasing power of the ruble. Example, buckwheat in 2014 cost 30 r / kg, now 80 r / kg. A person pays 1 times more for the purchase of 2,7 kg, the ratio of goods is different, but people always pay more for the same product - this is the mechanism inherent in GDP growth, of course, indexing is carried out for certain categories of citizens, but this is always only a small part of the real loss of solvency of the ruble, and this is done late. Those. people are poor, and numbers are growing. The president is a talented person, but not an economist, he does not know many nuances and the necessary information most often does not come to him.
        1. Serega86
          Serega86 7 January 2017 18: 03
          +1
          The president is a talented person, but not an economist, he does not know many nuances and the necessary information most often does not come to him.
          the king is good, the boyars are bad, this is an old song, you know that, but the president hasn’t figured it out for 15 years - it's silly to think so
  4. free
    free 5 January 2017 08: 29
    +13
    and many Judas are still under state feeding, have not been planted or given a legal assessment of their actions, the results of Gaidaronomics have not been announced in numbers, and monuments to Judas are standing and new ones are going to be built, the question is why?
    1. Kenneth
      Kenneth 5 January 2017 17: 16
      +4
      Because they won.
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    1. Serega86
      Serega86 7 January 2017 07: 37
      0
      the main blow to the Soviet economy was humpbacked when it allowed to cash out non-cash rubles with these not good slogans about economic management and self-financing, cooperatives, small enterprises
      even under Andropov it was clear that reforms were necessary, reforms like the Gaidarovskys wanted to be carried out in the 1990 year and would now not blame Yeltsin but Gorbachev and the Soviet regime
      Vova Putin still cannot deal with them
      this bike smiles that Vova Putin can’t do anything for 15 years
      1. apro
        apro 7 January 2017 09: 26
        0
        So they passed the law on small enterprises and cashless cash withdrawal in 1987. Remember the KVN of those times, we are not blaming the Soviet authorities, but the members of the party of the Oathreaders.
        Quote: Serega86
        this bike smiles that Vova Putin can’t do anything for 15 years

        She personally doesn’t make me laugh at all.
  6. alexhol
    alexhol 5 January 2017 08: 47
    +3
    I well remember the 91st, if they had not let the prices go - a variant of the current Venezuela.
    1. Kolya
      Kolya 5 January 2017 09: 38
      +8
      But Venezuela is, but the USSR is not.
      1. Serega86
        Serega86 7 January 2017 07: 41
        0
        there are no national republics in Venezuela, without a vacation in prices, the USSR would have collapsed faster, who wants to leave would still hang out of the union, this is what has been happening and is happening all over the world, everyone now thinks the other way around
    2. Boris55
      Boris55 5 January 2017 09: 56
      +7
      Quote: alexhol
      I well remember the 91st, if they had not let the prices go - a variant of the current Venezuela.

      Stupidity.
    3. antivirus
      antivirus 5 January 2017 10: 37
      0
      not that i remember
      see my comm
    4. Kenneth
      Kenneth 5 January 2017 17: 17
      +2
      All right. The food actually ran out. And the rest was not there.
  7. aszzz888
    aszzz888 5 January 2017 08: 58
    +1
    What was, was ... Survived. And for those who brewed this catastrophe for Russia - oblivion!
  8. Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov 5 January 2017 09: 03
    +5
    At the mention of these ..ogany names, hands are drawn to the machine.
    1. Kenneth
      Kenneth 5 January 2017 17: 18
      +2
      Do you have a gun?
  9. satum
    satum 5 January 2017 09: 17
    +12
    Here, I read komenty and see - What people are not distant. In short - The collapse began with Khrushchev. Bear is done. IMF - Acted and is acting according to the old rules. And Williamson’s report is not new here, he voices the principles of thieves capitalism, and gives a deeper understanding of the same rules of the IMF and others. The author wrote about the Gaidar team - and for some reason there - all Jews, and for some reason, they ended up in the government at the right time. COINCIDENCE?? .All children want quick and easy. Such an article will appear and immediately creep out like snowdrops - opponents of Putin. That's hooked on Rosneft)). Yes, but he sold it but a block of shares, but the trick is that not for nothing and to whom. Probably everyone here forgot that before that it was discussed the sale of many other packages- BUT NOT SOLD- AND COULD BE !! If you sold part, then it is necessary. Unlike the 90s, they did not sell a controlling stake, which means Rosneft-OUR! Honestly, it’s sad to see that many people have a head.
    1. krops777
      krops777 5 January 2017 09: 45
      +12
      If you sold part, then it is necessary. Unlike the 90s, they did not sell a controlling stake, which means Rosneft-OUR!


      Our Rosneft, thank you, laughed heartily, let me ask you how much you got from the sale of natural resources that "our" state sells?
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 5 January 2017 09: 55
        +6
        And what do you think, where does the state get money for payments to state employees, pensioners, doctors, teachers, for rearmament, for cosmodromes, etc.? Everything from them dear, you cannot live on taxes alone. More than 51% of Rosneft, like Gazprom, is owned by the state.
        1. Sotskiy
          Sotskiy 5 January 2017 17: 04
          +5
          Quote: Boris55
          More than 51% of Rosneft, like Gazprom, are owned by the state.

          And what is not a hundred? Is it inefficient for the state to work in the public interest? It’s strange, right? lol
          1. Kenneth
            Kenneth 5 January 2017 17: 19
            +2
            Because for normal operation, technology and investments were needed.
            1. Sotskiy
              Sotskiy 5 January 2017 17: 29
              +3
              Quote: Kenneth
              Because for normal operation, technology and investments were needed.

              And where did our technologies go abruptly after the 90s? And isn't it the same "investments" that transport workers then took out from Moscow over the hill in boxes for storing gold? laughing
              1. Kenneth
                Kenneth 5 January 2017 17: 47
                +2
                You are trying to mix different events. And build the whole tree of your reasoning on one premise. If you are interested about Rossneft, see the composition of the shareholders. If you are interested in a spherical horse in a vacuum that is to blame for everything, then this is not for me.
                1. Sotskiy
                  Sotskiy 5 January 2017 18: 00
                  +3
                  Quote: Kenneth
                  If you are interested about Rossneft, see the composition of the shareholders. If you are interested in a spherical horse in a vacuum that is to blame for everything, then this is not for me.

                  And I'm not trying to get you to take sides. Moreover, you are me, and not I was the first to answer you. I’m just wondering why they didn’t sell the State Property under the USSR, now please. Why there were technologies and financing in the USSR, and they overlaid all of Europe with pipes, now we are creating consortia.
                  So what then was not effective - public administration?
                  1. Kenneth
                    Kenneth 5 January 2017 18: 12
                    +1
                    The fact that Russia withstood three drops in oil prices and the Soviet Union was bent from one.
                    1. Sotskiy
                      Sotskiy 5 January 2017 18: 27
                      +3
                      Quote: Kenneth
                      The fact that Russia withstood three drops in oil prices and the Soviet Union was bent from one.

                      Something I do not remember defaults in the USSR, but already in Russia how many were there?
                      Or do you think that the USSR fell apart due to the collapse of oil prices?
                      1. Kenneth
                        Kenneth 5 January 2017 21: 00
                        0
                        Yes. That’s how I think. Despite all its tanks and missiles, the economically and ideologically late USSR turned out to be a colossus on clay feet
            2. Sotskiy
              Sotskiy 5 January 2017 17: 40
              +3
              Quote: Kenneth
              Because for normal operation, technology and investments were needed.

              In addition.
              "... In late 1993 - early 1994, 786 tons of gold were secretly exported from Russia abroad.
              Such a sensational statement in 2002 was made by State Duma deputy Sergei Shashurin. According to the deputy, 88 artels working in the Magadan, Chita and Amur Regions, in the Khabarovsk and Krasnoyarsk Territories, in Yakutia, withheld the gold mined from the state. He was taken abroad by transport aircraft of the Kazan airline “Aerostan”.
              In this unique operation, says Shashurin, the heads of several government agencies took part. It was they who ensured the legitimacy of the operation — they filled out all the necessary documents for the export of gold, and then destroyed them. Since Sergey Shashurin made this statement in the General Prosecutor’s Office, and then repeated it in the State Duma and in the media, the Russian Prosecutor General’s Office began his verification. This check was conducted in the framework of criminal case No. 18/230278-02, better known as the case of fake Chechen memos.
              During the investigation, the leaders of the gold mining cooperatives pointed out by Shashurin were questioned. They said: they didn’t conceal gold, they did not sell precious metal to anyone except the state. Former leaders of Roskomdragmet and Gokhran of Russia categorically denied their participation in the preparation and execution of documents for the export of gold “belonging to private firms” in 1993-1994. Vnukovskaya, Sheremetyevskaya, Domodedovo, Chkalovskaya customs, Tatar Customs and the Central Customs Administration informed the Prosecutor General: in 1993-1994, customs documents for exporting precious metals abroad were not issued and did not pass through them.

              The prosecutor general’s office, having not found confirmation of the deputy’s statements, terminated the investigation. In the story, which, it seemed, was supposed to blow up public opinion, lead to arrests and high-profile political resignations, a period was set.

              The sensation author himself was sent to a colony on charges of fraud. The revelations of the thoroughly compromised deputy were quickly forgotten.
              Although the question remained unanswered: why did the Duma deputy need to compose a story about the stolen gold? And not hiding the unpleasant fact that the association "Tan" headed by him took the most direct part in the scam. Shashurin made public such details that it seems that he did indeed revolve in the very center of some kind of criminal mechanism. Why, in this case, the Prosecutor General's Office did not find a single piece of evidence confirming the deputy's statements? .... "
              1. user
                user 6 January 2017 20: 23
                0
                Why, in this case, the Prosecutor General's Office did not find a single piece of evidence confirming the deputy's statements? .... "


                Well, to be honest, 786 tons of gold is such a trifle compared to the purchase of Sibneft from Abramovich for 13 billion of not our money. How much gold can be bought with this money in 2005 at the then price of $ 14299 per 1 kg (kilogram). And what is interesting is everything within the law.
                Yes, and Abramovich, like all the current vice-premiers - Shuvalov, Khlaponin (who could have communicated anything and, most importantly, do not plan to leave for London in the framework of the law), became a legitimate billionaire, and not a person with incomprehensible earnings. Although the Americans do not complex on such occasions, for example, Theodore Roosevelt’s grandfather was the largest supplier of heroin to China and this never bothered anyone and there were never unnecessary questions about the inheritance received.
        2. krops777
          krops777 5 January 2017 17: 49
          +4
          More than 51% of Rosneft, like Gazprom, are owned by the state.


          Are you sure? Then why the top managers of state companies have such salaries, bonuses, golden parachutes and other preferences?
      2. satum
        satum 5 January 2017 10: 05
        +4
        Whoa who took up natural resources))). And what will you raise the economy after Gaidar-export boots? I say - a head to eat
        1. krops777
          krops777 5 January 2017 17: 45
          +4
          Whoa who took up natural resources))). And what will you raise the economy after Gaidar-export boots? I say - a head to eat


          Comrade, do not breed demagoguery, study the economic experience of other countries with natural resources, say the United States or Norway, and also article 9 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation.
      3. Vadim237
        Vadim237 5 January 2017 16: 31
        +2
        A piece of Rosneft is also in the "portfolio" of Russian citizens.
      4. Bayonet
        Bayonet 5 January 2017 19: 37
        +2
        Quote: krops777
        Our Rosneft, thank you, laughed heartily, let me ask you how much you got from the sale of natural resources that "our" state sells?

        Yes, no less than in the USSR! Now at least we do not feed cuckoos around the world smile
    2. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 5 January 2017 15: 41
      +5
      Quote: Satum
      which means Rosneft-OUR!

      And what was the point of selling a 20% stake? The company is not profitable? Profitable. Need money? Isn’t it easier to pull out currency from pendos? And do you have confidence. what will not sell a controlling stake? The sale of AvtoVAZ was also carried out in stages, and with the direct participation of the first persons of the state. Putin came to the VAZ for six months, and Medvedev attended the sale of the VAZ.
      Quote: Satum
      that many have a head to eat.

      And some people smoke in it! wink
      P.S. Although I agree with the fact that the collapse began with Khrushchev. As with the influence of persons of Gus nationality.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 5 January 2017 16: 34
        +2
        "Isn't it easier to pull the currency out of the pendos?" Ours amuse themselves with the hope that with a favorable relationship with Trump, these investments will bring high returns.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 5 January 2017 19: 04
          +2
          Quote: Vadim237
          Our people are amazed by the hope that with a favorable relationship with Trump, these investments will bring high returns.

          I think everything is much more complicated. Most likely this is a tribute to world government.
    3. Serega86
      Serega86 7 January 2017 07: 51
      0
      The collapse began with Khrushchev
      the collapse began with the creation of the national republic for that matter, and your comment is similar to the agitation of Stalinism, only that way it was possible to preserve the Soviet Union, using paramilitary methods - repressions by tyranny and dictatorship, and otherwise it’s liberalism and, well,
      if the collapse began with Khrushchev and Gagarin’s flight into space, then the project itself was so bad that it began to fall apart even then -that's all)
      all people want to live well and not "for an idea" these are objective historical processes to which you give an ideological coloration, the abolition of serfdom took place after the Russian serfs saw how free peasants live in Europe, in 1991 people also focused on a better life as in Europe and not on ideology, live from the Brezhnev times in a deficit, you also diminish ardor)
    4. evge-malyshev
      evge-malyshev 8 January 2017 12: 01
      0
      Quote: Satum
      It’s sad to see that many have a head to eat.

      ++++++ You can’t argue.
  10. s.melioxin
    s.melioxin 5 January 2017 09: 29
    +6
    The overseas specialist convinced Yeltsin that the gradual transformation of the economy carries the risks of the return of the Communists to power. The guarantee of this can only be quick reforms.
    It is Gaidar's star time and black time is for Russia. Since then, 25 years have passed. The country has gone through economic hard times, but never fully recovered from it. Time and people could not heal all the wounds inflicted on Russia by reformers Yegor Gaidar ...
    25 years. This is the deadline. For me personally, this date is definitely black. Without teaching, not even really telling, or giving anything. Thrown on the "fast-flowing river", swim. How could you do this to your people? This was not their people, not their homeland. You certainly cannot re-educate me, but what has grown? Not about everyone, but most of them, I've seen a lot during this time. In the fall, I changed the wheels to winter ones. The guy is a tire fitter, such a prominent person, nature did not offend. I say "toad" does not stifle here to work with such data, but no answers, if only the money was paid. But, what if you load manure? The answer killed, but at least g ... in bags. They get paid, I work. It was not so, there was pride in my work, for the cause of everyone. The second time I made a mistake on the machine, I was transferred to the slings for a month, or even two. Some paid, dumb. Money is not everything, and the Yeltsin Center is not a mausoleum for me. Because some people want to fix the crown on their heads with a shovel.
  11. alekc73
    alekc73 5 January 2017 09: 56
    +11
    The reforms were not initially aimed at fighting "communism" and building a new market economy in Russia. The reform was supposed to destroy all complex industry, bleed agriculture, reduce the population. Turn Russia into a supplier of raw materials (therefore, industry is not a consumer of raw materials), a colony, in the territory where Western corporations make money. The elite must be corrupt and pro-Western for dollars ready for anything. It is desirable to break up the country into a dozen quasi-states with obedient presidents (that's where you can get as much sovereignty as you can). Destruction of the defense industry and the army. Only police forces to pacify people. Much has been accomplished in 25 years. The main thing was not succeeded - Russia stands no matter what. The most terrible loss of people who were not born and died prematurely. "Reformers" are traitors to the interests of Russia and cannibals. I don’t believe about their naivety and not knowing all the destructiveness of reforms. what they did, the people were deceived. If in 1992 they said their goal, they would be torn apart.
    1. killganoff
      killganoff 5 January 2017 10: 48
      +3
      They did so. Killed, cut.
  12. antivirus
    antivirus 5 January 2017 10: 35
    +4
    The budget was thoroughly shredded. State investments reduced 1,7 times, arms purchases - 5 times. In order to save budget funds, underwater missile carriers, rocket launchers that have no foreign analogues
    PARADE MAY 9 1992 CANCELED - "NO MONEY"
    At the end of 94 (? Or 93)), the father said: "the inept at the helm, remember, it began with an increase in the output of consumer goods and an increase in quality, liberation from bureaucracy and the development of the initiative of production, and everyone is ruining and deflating (not literally) from factories .. "and something else. It was visible. that pumped circulating media in LLP and PE (hereinafter referred to as banks). These banks now determine our life and cannot return the production of TV and video tape recorders, tractors, cowards and fur hats (and missiles and civil aircraft! !!) to the level of 90.
    The level of 90 g is needed only as an indicator - is there enough money for the maintenance of the Palace of Culture (owned factories) and the boxing or skiing section (including children’s) and comparative growth and fall.
    If other little people say "we will buy everything, without our own production" - now they have come to this; and simply "the level of development of productive forces and production relations" - which is better: unemployment benefits or wages?
  13. killganoff
    killganoff 5 January 2017 10: 46
    +3
    In order to save budget funds, submarine missile launchers, missile systems and missiles themselves, planes, warships, unique missile railway complexes and much more that make up the military power of Russia were launched under the knife.
    not exactly: the unique submarine missile carriers and the BZHRK (railway missile complex) were withdrawn from combat duty already in the middle of the zero.
  14. captain
    captain 5 January 2017 11: 13
    +6
    Quote: Boris55
    And what do you think, where does the state get money for payments to state employees, pensioners, doctors, teachers, for rearmament, for cosmodromes, etc.? Everything from them dear, you cannot live on taxes alone. More than 51% of Rosneft, like Gazprom, is owned by the state.

    Do not sport with him. he believes that money grows on trees and they need to be collected on time.
  15. captain
    captain 5 January 2017 11: 17
    +5
    Thanks to the native party, Yeltsin was one of the leaders of the CPSU, Gorbachev the main leader, an amazing party. And all these Gaidars, Yakovlevs, Chubais, Burbulisy, etc., are not ordinary members of the CPSU.
    1. Sotskiy
      Sotskiy 5 January 2017 16: 55
      +4
      Quote: captain
      Thanks to the native party, Yeltsin was one of the leaders of the CPSU, Gorbachev the main leader, an amazing party. And all these Gaidars, Yakovlevs, Chubais, Burbulisy, etc., are not ordinary members of the CPSU.

      So you rummage in their imperial roots, then everything will be "garlic"! laughing And then right after the coup of 91, the offspring of the nobles "rose from the ashes"! Everywhere you spit, all the princes, but the counts and all in positions, but with "grandmas". By the way, they also have slaves with servants. Is this your dream, are you our White Guard? But how then "all are equal"? Or are you more equal than others now?
      As for the CPSU, there were different people in the party, but there were only a few people influencing party politics, but that's why the KGB did not cut off the "agents of influence" from the "trough", the question is. Probably because Andropov, when he was General Secretary, actively pushed them to that very trough?
  16. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 5 January 2017 12: 26
    +4
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    So the Gaidar team is still at the helm.

    Well, at least G himself is not. It is said to have died from excessive alcohol consumption — a bottle of whiskey a day lately. Is there a torture of conscience? Although such people do not have it.
  17. Glory1974
    Glory1974 5 January 2017 13: 14
    +1
    Quote: "The manufacturer shipped the finished product and immediately sent a collection order to the bank to pay for it. The money was debited from account to account. Now it went to new prices. As a result, in a matter of weeks, the collection circulation swept dry the working capital of enterprises and led to the crisis of non-payments. "

    And before that, there was also an exchange of money. Remember? 50 and 100 ruble notes changed. Whoever had the cash was raked. For what purpose?
    1. Fiber forehead
      Fiber forehead 5 January 2017 13: 34
      0
      For the purpose of census savings "under the mattress"
      1. Glory1974
        Glory1974 5 January 2017 13: 49
        +1
        Then of course there were mafiosi and guilds, but nationwide a penny. I don’t remember where already, I read the version that the grandmothers were transported to the West by air, they promised the capitalists to take part in the privatization of enterprises, but then something changed and all the loot exported to the west was reset by this reform.
    2. e2e4
      e2e4 5 January 2017 20: 01
      +1
      Pavlovskaya reform of 1991. Three days - to exchange money, this is something!
  18. Jarilo
    Jarilo 5 January 2017 13: 21
    +7
    Advanced economists answer learned: the state economy is inefficient.

    So, what is next? Natural rent - MET is collected by the state, property tax is collected by the state, profit tax is collected by the state, VAT is collected by the state, payroll tax is collected by the state (to the pension fund and social insurance fund), personal income tax is collected by the state, state duties the state collects for registration of something, etc. At the same time, the level of wages, pension and social security is extremely low - at the level of the living wage. In other words, the population has no money and has nowhere to come from. If we take loans, then the interest on loans is higher than the level of profitability in any activity, if we exclude mining, weapons production, pharmaceuticals, banking. The formula "the state is ineffective and therefore does not interfere in the economy" lacks one more formulation: and therefore it does not collect taxes. Then everything is fair. Have you noticed that the government has stopped talking about structural reforms? Do you know why? Because, to be honest, it is necessary to return the progressive scale of taxation, and they cannot afford to do that. The population should be robbed and strangled with taxes, this is please, and your own dear ones, as much as possible. And most importantly: these people who own everything, do not sow or plow, they are parasites and crooks, and they blame all of us for this.
    1. Glory1974
      Glory1974 5 January 2017 21: 28
      0
      like there was infa that from 2018 of the year they will introduce a progressive scale. In any case, consider.
      1. Alf
        Alf 5 January 2017 23: 14
        +1
        Quote: glory1974
        In any case, consider.

        What year in a row?
      2. evge-malyshev
        evge-malyshev 8 January 2017 12: 34
        +1
        Quote: glory1974
        like there was infa that from 2018 of the year they will introduce a progressive scale. In any case, consider.

        They will consider, consider and introduce the same for everyone: 20 percent to make it easier to count.
  19. Volozhanin
    Volozhanin 5 January 2017 13: 27
    +3
    I hope that at this very moment in hell, the devils with red-hot rods e .... shat EBN and a pig. I WILL NOT FORGET! WILL NOT FORGIVE!
  20. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 5 January 2017 13: 40
    +10
    .. "Exactly 25 years ago, the government of the Russian Federation took a decisive step into the abyss of a market economy ...."
    am
    They did not want to reform socialism. Proclaimed capitalism. But not Scandinavian advanced with social guarantees and care for people, but wild, not for people. They wanted to quickly skim the cream and topple under the wing of a warm, cozy west, which they actually continue to the present. I’m afraid that strengthening the army and a successful foreign policy is only for the purpose of protecting the feeders from competitors, and then they plundered everything, they’ll dump one horseradish.
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 5 January 2017 19: 43
      +1
      Quote: vladimirvn
      Wanted to quickly skim the cream and

      Many wanted this and from a great mind they incurred all their savings in MMM! "We are not freeloaders, we are partners!" laughing
      1. Sotskiy
        Sotskiy 5 January 2017 20: 12
        +5
        Quote: Bayonet
        Many wanted this and from a great mind they incurred all their savings in MMM! "We are not freeloaders, we are partners!"

        Well, if you strain yourself and remember how the privatization of the 90s took place, then did the people have a choice? All this "action" was organized at the state level.
        Companies for the purchase of vouchers were with MMM, Khoper, Avva, etc., which subsequently, as they should have collapsed and closed. What kind of compensation was returned to the people? Nevermind without butter!
        Whoever more cunningly invested in his own enterprises where he worked, but the same thing awaited there, the production was bankrupt, workers were fired, and the property was bought for a penny by "interested" persons.
        Only those who sold their voucher for a “chervonets” "won", this is how much the "people's property" of a citizen of the former USSR was estimated at.
        1. Glory1974
          Glory1974 5 January 2017 21: 30
          0
          As far as I remember, the official price was 10 thousand, but no one gave such a price, a maximum of 4 thousand or an exchange for a Chinese down jacket.
        2. Bayonet
          Bayonet 6 January 2017 06: 05
          0
          Quote: Sovetskiy
          Companies for the purchase of vouchers were with MMM, Khoper, Avva, etc., which subsequently, as they should have collapsed and closed. What kind of compensation was returned to the people?

          Whoever bought up, so you have to ask. Or were they dragged there? The old habit of not thinking with your own head, but fulfilling the decrees of the wise Communist Party ("the mind, honor and conscience of our era!") Has failed! In short, they were bred like suckers, so they still cry. crying
          1. Alf
            Alf 6 January 2017 17: 22
            +2
            Quote: Bayonet
            Who bought, from that and need to ask. Or pulled there by force?

            And where did you divide your voucher? Already probably riding your Volga, as the redhead promised everyone? And how many dividends did you receive?
            1. Bayonet
              Bayonet 6 January 2017 19: 25
              0
              Quote: Alf
              And where did you divide your voucher?

              He invested in Alpha Capital hi
              1. Alf
                Alf 7 January 2017 22: 40
                +1
                Quote: Bayonet
                He invested in Alpha Capital

                And raked a lot of profit? You did not answer my question. Or have you received a banana and do not want to shine or flew like plywood over Paris?
  21. trenkkvaz
    trenkkvaz 5 January 2017 13: 49
    +4
    You see, he bought sour cream in December 1991, cheaper. We could only dream of sour cream at this time.
    At that time, I could not buy ordinary milk during the day. To buy it, I had to go to the store at night and wait for the car with milk to arrive. The neighbor worked as a night receptionist in the store and sold us milk at that time.
    I remember huge lines for oil. From the second floor to the street. And still with the limitation of the number of packs in one hand.
    By the way, many say that it only started in the late 80s due to perestroika.
    And here it is. Already in the early 80s a similar canoe appeared. I remember exactly that even before 1986 I stood in lines for the same oil.
    My father, while traveling in Moscow in 1982, was surprised at what he saw in a store on the outskirts of the city. There, like dogs waiting for the crowd, they threw out sausages on a schedule. And this is in Moscow!
    1. Jarilo
      Jarilo 5 January 2017 14: 03
      +7
      There were queues for milk, because it was brought fresh in the morning, then it turned sour in the heat. About sausages and butter, you are bent. There were queues at cinemas and concerts, I see no problems in this. And the advantage is that everything was real.
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 5 January 2017 14: 43
        +9
        The fact that the government was going to release prices was known to all traders - this is the main reason for the lack of goods on the shelves. Why sell today, for the ruble if tomorrow you can sell for ten?
        Were there any lines in the USSR? There were. Shops were mostly open until seven in the evening. The factories worked until 5-6 pm and all the people from the factory walk-throughs rushed to the store ... Those who did not have time or forgot to buy salt, matches to their neighbors will always help out. They lived together. They knew the neighbors. Not like now ...
        1. Kenneth
          Kenneth 5 January 2017 17: 27
          +2
          Eliseevsky’s photo as a mirror of prosperity under Stalin is beyond demagogy
      2. Bayonet
        Bayonet 5 January 2017 19: 47
        0
        Quote: Jarilo
        There were queues for milk, because they brought it fresh in the morning,

        But there was no meat to get, because it was harmful! wassat
    2. Sotskiy
      Sotskiy 5 January 2017 16: 17
      +6
      Quote: trenkkvaz
      You see, he bought sour cream in December 1991, cheaper. We could only dream of sour cream at this time.
      I couldn’t buy ordinary milk during the day. To buy it, I had to go to the store at night and wait for the car with milk to arrive.

      And I had nowhere to put this milk at home!
      All the pots were full. The cow gave 17 liters per milk yield, and milked her twice a day. The neighbors have the same song. Sour cream, milk, butter, cottage cheese all had their own in large quantities! And this is the Soviet District of Rostov-on-Don (outskirts). And now no one keeps cows with your "shitcrats" in a private (single) order and where milk comes from in stores is a mystery of nature (or rather, chemistry).
      So do not "la-la" when it was worse. Then it was a problem to hand over milk, but now to find the real one. And if you find it, then with some kind of foot and mouth disease in the appendage.
      Hi Rospotrebnadzor and Rosekologiya!
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 5 January 2017 16: 39
        +1
        Now to find the present - there are definitely no problems with this and not any foot and mouth disease.
        1. Sotskiy
          Sotskiy 5 January 2017 18: 18
          +3
          Quote: Vadim237
          Now to find the present - there are definitely no problems with this and not any foot and mouth disease.

          Tell me where - I'll take it.
          Previously, in the center of Rostov, on Voroshilovsky / Bolshaya Sadovaya, there was a store of fresh dairy products, the whole center went there. Then it was closed and a huge cosmetics and perfumery shop Letual was made ... Now there is bottled milk with a short shelf life, only when it turns sour into kefir it does not turn out like a natural one, but there remains some strange suspension, which it is not comme il faut to use. . At the bazaars, it is dangerous to take a draft, the village remains. And in the village there were no cows left. Now the village come to the supermarket for groceries. It used to be the other way around.
          1. Bayonet
            Bayonet 6 January 2017 19: 31
            +1
            Quote: Sovetskiy
            Tell me where - I'll take it.

            Behind the airport, stop village. Aviators. Once every two days a car arrives from Zernograd - milk, sour cream, etc. from under real cows. Retired grandmothers who have nothing to do, take constantly.smile I think this place is not one.
      2. Kenneth
        Kenneth 5 January 2017 17: 23
        +1
        Not everyone had a cow house. We stood for hours for milk. Curd was made by ourselves. The glorious city of Severodvinsk.
        1. Sotskiy
          Sotskiy 5 January 2017 19: 17
          +2
          Quote: Kenneth
          Not everyone had a cow house. We stood for hours for milk. Curd was made by ourselves. The glorious city of Severodvinsk.

          Actually, the townspeople went for milk, butter and cottage cheese and to private suburbs, since the public transport was cheap. Yes, I agree, not a supermarket, but who wanted to find fresh, home and two-thirds cheaper than the state price, they found and arrived regularly, as if by the hour.
          And who did not want to "bother" - stood in lines.
          1. Bayonet
            Bayonet 5 January 2017 19: 57
            +1
            Quote: Sovetskiy
            Actually, the townspeople went for milk, butter and cottage cheese and to private suburbs, since the public transport was cheap. Yes, I agree, not a supermarket, but who wanted to find fresh, home and two-thirds cheaper than the state price, they found and arrived regularly, as if by the hour.
            And who did not want to "bother" - stood in lines.

            The seventh dozen I live in Rostov and it is very funny to listen to your tales about a bright past laughing
          2. Kenneth
            Kenneth 5 January 2017 21: 02
            0
            To send you for milk to the suburbs of Severodvinsk a.
      3. Bayonet
        Bayonet 5 January 2017 19: 54
        0
        Quote: Sovetskiy
        All pots were full. The cow gave 17 liters per milk yield, and milked it twice a day. The neighbors have the same song. Sour cream, milk, butter, cottage cheese were all in large quantities! And this is the Soviet district of Rostov-on-Don

        A cow would look funny in the modern Soviet district! smile
        1. Sotskiy
          Sotskiy 5 January 2017 20: 41
          +4
          Seventh dozen live in Rostov and it’s very funny to listen to your fairy tales about the bright past laughing

          Fairy tales?
          And without a subsidiary farm, you now live well on your pension, since you live in Rostov in your seventh decade? Ali is an underground millionaire? And if you really live in Rostov, then in theory you should know that the Soviet district does not end with the new Liventsovka. Can you remind in which district of Rostov the former subsidiary farm of "Rostselmash" was located, and the countrywomen?
          1. Bayonet
            Bayonet 6 January 2017 06: 23
            0
            Quote: Sovetskiy
            And without a subsidiary farm, you are now living well on your retirement,

            I live normally, at least not worse than pensioners lived in the USSR. I still don’t run with my tongue sticking out in the shops hoping to "get" something or will "give".
            If you want to have a farm, go to the village. It’s not enough joy for a city dweller to listen to neighboring pigs, cows, screaming roosters and enjoy their aromas! smile
            Quote: Sovetskiy
            Can you remind in which district of Rostov the former subsidiary farm of "Rostselmash" was located, and the countrywomen?

            I remember when the development of the Northern microdistrict began, there the wind brought a wild stench from pigsties. Did you miss the aromas of youth, countrywoman? wink
            1. taypan
              taypan 6 January 2017 06: 42
              +5
              But the bale will not fall?
              Or an Armenian headdress? Look how they bully them. But nothing, we all left the people. And then. "It is not enough joy for a city dweller to listen to neighboring pigs, cows, crowing roosters"
              1. Bayonet
                Bayonet 6 January 2017 13: 49
                0
                Quote: taypan
                But the bale will not fall?
                Or an Armenian headdress? Look how they bully them. But nothing, we all left the people. And then. "It is not enough joy for a city dweller to listen to neighboring pigs, cows, crowing roosters"

                Where did you come from, from which aul? laughing
            2. Sotskiy
              Sotskiy 7 January 2017 00: 37
              +3
              You still have old stereotypes, a fellow countrywoman. If the threshing floor does not smell, then this does not mean that from this it becomes more useful? Apparently, your sense of smell played an important role in choosing between a natural product or non-smelling chemistry. And cause-and-effect relationships along the way do not bother you, why your first-aid kit is constantly replenished, like an assortment in your nearest store. I really have to pay dearly for the sense of smell, but the smell of manure doesn’t scare me. I grew up on the ground, and not in a high-rise building with an always pissed drive.
              1. Bayonet
                Bayonet 7 January 2017 06: 52
                +1
                Quote: Sovetskiy
                but the smell of manure doesn’t scare me. I grew up on the ground, and not in a high-rise building with an always pissed-up drive.

                Thank God, everyone is free to choose how and where to live. hi
                And the porches are pissed where people live who are not afraid of the smell of manure wink I have cleanliness and order in the entrance!
                Quote: Sovetskiy
                why your first-aid kit is constantly updated,

                Not at all, apparently judge by your own. It is understandable when you are doing subsistence farming, dealing with manure - it doesn’t interfere with having a supply of imodium in a medicine cabinet wink
            3. Sotskiy
              Sotskiy 7 January 2017 00: 39
              +2
              Quote: Bayonet
              I remember when the development of the Northern microdistrict began, there the wind brought a wild stench from pigsties. Did you miss the aromas of youth, countrywoman?

              You still have old stereotypes, a fellow countrywoman. If the threshing floor does not smell, then this does not mean that it makes it more useful? Apparently, your sense of smell played an important role in choosing between a natural product or non-smelling chemistry. And cause-and-effect relationships along the way do not bother you, why your first-aid kit is constantly replenished, like an assortment in your nearest store. I really have to pay dearly for the sense of smell, but the smell of manure doesn’t scare me. I grew up on the ground, and not in a high-rise building with an always pissed drive. Probably this smell is closer to you?
              1. Bayonet
                Bayonet 7 January 2017 19: 50
                0
                Quote: Sovetskiy
                If the threshing floor does not smell, then this does not mean that it makes it more useful?

                I haven’t tried, I don’t know. You know it better smile
                Quote: Sovetskiy
                but the smell of manure doesn’t scare me.

                That's nice, smell for health! hi
            4. Vadim237
              Vadim237 7 January 2017 11: 56
              +1
              Manure to collect this is already a primitive from the Soviet past, now generating plants have appeared working just on manure - they give light, heat, and fertilizers are obtained at the exit.
    3. NordUral
      NordUral 6 January 2017 19: 50
      0
      What’s your town called?
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet 7 January 2017 19: 54
        0
        Quote: NordUral
        What’s your town called?

        The town is called Rostov-on-Don. According to data for 2016, a total of 1 people. hi
  22. bsk_una
    bsk_una 5 January 2017 14: 54
    +5
    And when and who compensates us for the liquidation of investments in the bank, when I had 5000 rubles on my Sberbank account for the sold Moskvich, and a month later I could not buy a bottle of Royal alcohol, which was so widespread at that time, with this money? ?? I am waiting for an explanation from the authorities!
    1. Sotskiy
      Sotskiy 5 January 2017 16: 08
      +7
      Quote: bsk_una
      Waiting for clarification from the authorities!

      They are now urging everyone to unite, like: "Understand and forgive!" (all that was stolen) lol
  23. Sotskiy
    Sotskiy 5 January 2017 15: 05
    +10
    [QuoteHead of the Group of Economic Advisers to the President of Russia Boris Yeltsin, American Geoffrey Sachs (Ohrenet! How could this be possible?), Convinced Yeltsin that the gradual transformation of the economy carries the risks of a return to power of the Communists.] [/ Quote]
    Doesn't it remind you of the sweet couple "Biden-Poroshenko"? lol
    What other questions could there be with regard to Yeltsin and his team, whose "agents of influence" in the virtually complete coup of 91, if the first person Yeltsin called after signing on December 8, 1991 at the Viskuli suburban government residence was George Bush- President of the U.S.A?
    Color revolutions speak? No, we don’t know! lol
    To the present: Is the opening of the "Yeltsin Center" in Yeltsin's "homeland" an expression of respect for the grateful "descendants" for the collapse of the country? If so, what kind of independence of Russia are we talking about in our government offices and "our" media? Independent of the people?
    "Yeltsin Center" is not a reminder to future generations: "Do not forget whose slave you will be!"
  24. ochakow703
    ochakow703 5 January 2017 15: 52
    +3
    May all those democrats who plunged the country into the abyss of chaos be damned. Interestingly, is Yeltsin hot in hell?
  25. Kenneth
    Kenneth 5 January 2017 17: 10
    +2
    The author is encouraged to nastalgize on empty store shelves in a chronicle of the early 90s
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 6 January 2017 19: 45
      +2
      Do you see bad? These empty shelves were created for the collapse of the Union.
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet 7 January 2017 06: 55
        +1
        Quote: NordUral
        These empty shelves were created for the collapse of the Union.

        Iron logic! You are not from the "Ural dumplings"? laughing
        1. evge-malyshev
          evge-malyshev 8 January 2017 13: 34
          +1
          Quote: Bayonet
          Iron logic! You are not from the "Ural dumplings"?

          Bayonet! I endured, endured your antics. I'm tired of it. YOU are not the last, by any chance, "princes, counts"? and so on? Say you weren't a communist either?
          PS. You can not answer. Not going to argue.
  26. killganoff
    killganoff 5 January 2017 17: 19
    +3
    It is time to bring to justice not only the guilty, but also those who are trying to rehabilitate the true enemies of our Fatherland !!!
    1. Kenneth
      Kenneth 5 January 2017 17: 24
      +2
      It remains to appoint those who will seek out enemies. Pretend?
  27. ando_bor
    ando_bor 5 January 2017 19: 19
    0
    What was being done then had to be done - there is nowhere to go, and it was better to do this either earlier, without starting up the problem to that extent, or with your hind mind.
  28. Sotskiy
    Sotskiy 5 January 2017 21: 46
    +3
    Quote: Kenneth
    Yes. That’s how I think. Despite all its tanks and missiles, the economically and ideologically late USSR turned out to be a colossus on clay feet

    Gaidar and Co foreva? Then it's clear. Good luck until the next effective default or 100% zeroing of the ruble, for the glory of the "free" market! lol
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 7 January 2017 07: 12
      0
      Quote: Sovetskiy
      Gaidar and Co. Foreve?

      By the way, what an interesting flag on the profile picture, and what does this mean? Something reminiscent of the black flags of the anarchists what
  29. Bayonet
    Bayonet 6 January 2017 06: 10
    +1
    Quote: Sovetskiy
    Previously, in the center of Rostov, on Voroshilovsky / Bolshaya Sadovaya there was a store of fresh dairy products, the whole center went there

    Then there was a street. Engels, not Bolshaya Sadovaya smile Now there are such stores - on every corner and without queues! smile
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 6 January 2017 19: 43
      +2
      So then for the milk ... and now for the dairy product.
      1. Sotskiy
        Sotskiy 7 January 2017 00: 58
        +1
        Quote: NordUral
        So then for the milk ... and now for the dairy product.

        That's it!
        But for those who are not comme il faut by their status, sniffing the threshing floor and dairy product is a joy! The main thing is that this product is sold in their "entrance". The bad news is that they are trying to establish their opinion here as an axiom.
        1. Bayonet
          Bayonet 7 January 2017 06: 58
          0
          Quote: Sovetskiy
          Quote: NordUral
          So then for the milk ... and now for the dairy product.

          That's it!
          But for those who are not comme il faut by their status, sniffing the threshing floor and dairy product is a joy! The main thing is that this product is sold in their "entrance". The bad news is that they are trying to establish their opinion here as an axiom.

          Well, of course, the axiom is YOUR opinion! wink
    2. Sotskiy
      Sotskiy 7 January 2017 00: 50
      +1
      Quote: Bayonet
      Quote: Sovetskiy
      Previously, in the center of Rostov, on Voroshilovsky / Bolshaya Sadovaya there was a store of fresh dairy products, the whole center went there

      Then there was a street. Engels, not Bolshaya Sadovaya smile Now there are such stores - on every corner and without queues! smile

      Didn't you confuse anything? When "the store was closed and Litual was opened, it was already called Bolshaya Sadovaya, and not Engels St..
      Maybe you’ll try to catch me. Why is it still called Myasnikov Street Saryan, and wise guy?
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet 7 January 2017 07: 06
        0
        Quote: Sovetskiy
        Maybe you’ll try to catch me. Why is it still called Myasnikov Street Saryan, and wise guy?

        To catch ??? This is not at smile
        Quote: Sovetskiy
        Didn't you confuse anything? When "the store was closed and Litual was opened, it was already called Bolshaya Sadovaya, and not Engels St..

        So, your favorite Butter - Cheese store, where according to your statements all Rostov ran, was located at the intersection of Engels Street and Voroshilovsky Prospekt. Younger citizens know it under the name "Milk".
  30. NordUral
    NordUral 6 January 2017 19: 42
    0
    What recovered there? According to the new privatization, it goes to no one knows where.
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 7 January 2017 07: 09
      +1
      Quote: NordUral
      What recovered there? On the new privatization goes in the middle of nowhere

      Why are you all whining and moaning over the "bright past", aren't you tired?
  31. Fiber forehead
    Fiber forehead 8 January 2017 17: 47
    +1
    "The ideologue of liberals Kudrin openly proclaims the invariability of the current economic course and its cannibalistic consequences. A fall of 1-2% this year, a possible growth of 1% (ie, less measurement error) in the future, and then with a" softening "of relations with the West It was difficult to interpret these words other than as the last ultimatum: to lie under the West. " Sergey Yurkov "Putin's Plan for Russia" part 1.