To achieve peace in Ukraine, the Germans did not have the courage?

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The German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier made a bad forecast on Deutsche Welle. He said: “Crises and conflicts will continue in the 2017 year, but do not lose hope. It takes courage to achieve peace. We must save it. ” The Germans are now paying special attention to the statements of the head of their Foreign Ministry. Frank-Walter Steinmeier is more likely to become the new president of Germany in February. His candidacy was supported by both parties of the ruling coalition.





How Steinmeier made a bid to resolve the Ukrainian crisis

Steinmeier’s assessment may be interesting to us because last year Germany chaired the OSCE, and the current pessimism of the German minister (“Rarely the arrival of a new year is accompanied by so many open questions in world politics.”) Is also a direct result of German labor in the field of European security. .

Last January, when he assumed the OSCE chairmanship, Frank-Walter Steinmeier made many loud statements. In particular, assessing the political situation on the continent, he said: “Germany assumes the chairmanship of the OSCE in unstable times. We are probably in front of the most serious threats to peace and security in Europe since the end of the cold war. Germany is ready to take responsibility. ”

This was the second for history OSCE chairmanship of Germany in the organization. For the first time such a role for Berlin fell in the distant 1991 year. The Germans then could not be noted independent policies. That year the fading Soviet Union raged. The process was controlled from overseas. Europe and its political structures got a political role of the second plan.

The new coming of the Germans to the crest of the all-European security policy happened at a time when the word of Berlin in Europe gained considerable weight. Sometimes the word was indisputable for the German partners in the European Union. Therefore, from the chairmanship of Berlin in the OSCE, everyone expected to be effective, reducing tension in the hot spots of the continent.

It was this application that the head of the German Foreign Ministry himself made, joining the powers of the OSCE chairman. (According to the established tradition, this post is held by the foreign minister of the country, who is taking over the chairmanship of the organization.) Steinmeier called for the restoration of "stable security" in Europe, the peaceful resolution of "an ever-increasing number of crises and conflicts," the restoration of lost trust within the organization. Among the OSCE priorities in 2016, the new chairman of the organization called the settlement of the Ukrainian conflict.

Such a choice seemed completely natural. After all, Frank-Walter Steinmeier was at the origin of the Ukrainian conflict. He was among those European politicians who signed guarantees for the peaceful transfer of power in Kiev. Germany and its Foreign Ministry then initiated the negotiation process in Ukraine, when the guarantees of the Europeans did not work, and the opposition in the country escalated into a military conflict of citizens.

The war in Ukraine for some time managed to suspend the agreements concluded in Minsk. The OSCE was to establish control over the observance of the terms of the agreement, to deepen the process of peaceful resolution of the conflict. This task, according to experts, the European organization failed. Therefore, serious hopes were pinned on Germany and its foreign minister.

Steinmeier's first statements were encouraging. “In the past two years, we have seen that the OSCE represented the decisive mechanism for de-escalation and dialogue in Ukraine. We must continue to move in this direction, the new chairman of the OSCE urged the Europeans. “Germany intends to contribute to this with all its strength and capabilities.”


Why did Germany not fulfill its role?


It soon became clear that the words of the Germans at odds with the deeds. The OSCE observers, as they say, began to “whistle in one direction”, not burdening themselves with control over the actions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. As a result, the heavy armaments of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which had previously been assigned to the deep rear, approached the line of fire demarcation.

The shelling of settlements of the unrecognized republics has become more frequent. Gradually, they grew into a system. By the end of the year, the conflict had already passed into the stage of an open military clash with the seizure of neutral territory, killed, wounded and captured victims among civilians.

Instead of the de-escalation of the war declared by Steinmeier in the east of Ukraine, in fact, there was an increase in clashes. News the tapes are full of reports that Kiev is again pulling heavy artillery to the demarcation line and Tanks. Germany’s second mission to the OSCE ended in complete failure.

In Berlin, on this account is not visible experiences. It seems that during her OSCE chairmanship Germany set itself completely different goals, the main of which was to use the conflict in Ukraine to contain Russia. Exactly as prescribed from across the ocean.

Initially, this goal was not explicitly viewed. Over time, the rhetoric of Steinmeier began almost verbatim to repeat the lament of the Ukrainian President Poroshenko about the Russian aggression. Objective observers noted: the OSCE, under the chairmanship of Germany, began to identify with one of the parties to the conflict - with Kiev.

This was manifested most openly last December at the summit of the ministers of foreign affairs of the OSCE participating States in Hamburg. Anticipating the forum, Steinmeier met with journalists, promised them to consider in the European Union the issue of extending sanctions against Russia and said that "the tone of dialogue between East and West has become harsher."

The message of the OSCE chairman was picked up by his colleagues, European ministers. The topic of anti-Russian sanctions has become central to their speeches. If it was said about the crisis in Ukraine, then at best it was about the mutual responsibility of the parties to the conflict for the implementation of the Minsk agreements. Military activity of Kiev in Hamburg tried not to notice.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov had to remind the forum participants: “If you want to invite a partner to the dialogue, you should not begin the invitation with accusations against him and with the requirements to conduct a conversation solely on your ultimatum conditions. Such attempts undermine the very basis of the OSCE. ”

Sergey Lavrov specified the position of Russia at a personal meeting with the chairman of the OSCE, German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier, which took place in the evening after the plenary meeting. There are few details about her. Unless RIA Novosti, citing a source in the German delegation, said: the conversation was "serious and long."

Judging by the events that followed, the parties, as they say, “remained with their own.” The Germans did not find any responsibility they claimed, much less the promised courage to bring the Ukrainian conflict to a peaceful track. A week later, the EU extended anti-Russian sanctions. Kiev authorities have nothing to hold back. They unleashed fighting almost the entire line of demarcation.

Now it can be taken as a fact. While chairing the OSCE, Germany has not fulfilled any of its goals. Verbal threats and real sanctions Russia could not be kept. Moved over the foreseeable horizon and the prospects for the peaceful resolution of the Ukrainian conflict. These two circumstances show Europe that Berlin is not in a position to seriously influence the state of affairs on the continent and pursue an independent policy.

Austria has already made its conclusion from the German failure, which since 1 in January 2017 passed the chairmanship to the OSCE. On the eve of the new year, Austrian Foreign Minister Sebastian Kurtz in an interview with Der Spiegel did not criticize his German counterpart for failing his mission, but announced a change of priorities.

Kurtz said he would seek easing of EU sanctions against Russia. The Austrian Minister stated: with the beginning of the crisis in Ukraine, there was a return to the bloc mentality of the Cold War. Sane Europeans are worried.

“We must restore confidence in Europe, and transform sanctions from a punishment system into a system of incentives,” the Austrian Foreign Minister said to the German magazine, and added, “To respond to every positive development on the ground by gradually easing sanctions.”

It is appropriate to recall the unshakable position of Berlin, more than once publicly stated by Federal Chancellor Angela Merkel and Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier: "Sanctions against Russia can be lifted only after Moscow fully implements the Minsk agreements on resolving the conflict in eastern Ukraine."

Maybe the time has come when the OSCE will remind the Kiev authorities about their responsibility for ending the civil war in the east of the country? The answer to this question, Sebastian Kurtz has not yet given ...
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  1. +9
    6 January 2017 06: 57
    What courage do you need ... Like a lion from a fairy tale about the Emerald City .. Rather like a Scarecrow-mind. About him to say All that politics is independent of the shout from Washington.
    1. +19
      6 January 2017 09: 00
      Quote: 210ox
      What courage you need.

      What courage do they have Dmitry hi After WWII, they hid him in safes in London and Washington. request
      Angela Merkel and Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier: “Sanctions against Russia can be lifted only after Moscow fully fulfills the Minsk agreements on the settlement of the conflict in eastern Ukraine.”

      It seems like there is no one to remind these talking dolls that their signature as guarantors is under Minsk-2. All of these Shtannmeyr and Merkel with Hollande are just dolls controlled through the ass. negative
      1. +12
        6 January 2017 09: 17
        As far as I remember, Russia is a guarantor. Like Germany and France. So what kind of implementation of Minsk-2 can we talk about? Again, did the "face" command come from a puddle? request
        1. +5
          6 January 2017 14: 10
          Quote: bouncyhunter
          As far as I remember, Russia is a guarantor. Like Germany and France. So what kind of implementation of Minsk-2 can we talk about? Again, did the "face" command come from a puddle?

          What are you talking about? About guarantors or performance?
          "Russia is a country called by the parties to the conflict. It is a country that has called on the parties to the conflict to sign a set of measures to implement the Minsk agreements. But Russia is not a party that implements this set of measures. It is a country that acts as a guarantor, which makes an appeal. but, of course, it is not a party that should take action for this. We simply cannot do this physically, because Russia is not a party to this conflict. "
          1. +6
            6 January 2017 15: 34
            I about the role of Russia, dear hi
          2. +3
            7 January 2017 00: 44
            Great guys!
            And one of my brains exploded from the title of the article?
            "Did the Germans lack the courage to achieve peace in Ukraine?"
            What kind of courage is the Germans? On the part of the territory of our homeland of the USSR, some homosexuals arranged an interethnic conflict between the Russians and Ukrainians. So we need to deal with this !!! What are the Germans ????
            In my opinion, the author of the article suffers from a mental disorder .... request
            1. 0
              8 January 2017 09: 49
              It’s time it’s not a big deal to loudly and harshly present for non-fulfillment of the Minsk agreements! And hvranzuzov at the same time muzzle in kakahi!
              Fucked bastards! And the Germans, as the main initiators and beneficiaries of the geyrops, must still be tough to answer for their arrogance and pay dearly, preferably with a lot of blood, for their cattle on our outskirts!
        2. +3
          6 January 2017 16: 25
          Quote: bouncyhunter
          Again, did the "face" command come from a puddle?

          The thought is so deep that it is indigestible for the average mind. In fact, Russia more than once and twice reminded of the need for rigorous implementation of Minsk-2, but received only sanctions in response. So which of the guarantors should influence the leadership of Ukraine in order to implement the agreements? Even Steinmeier openly said that he lacked courage. It’s not enough for its Germany, and for anything else but to defame Russia, and even more so.
    2. +5
      6 January 2017 11: 06
      As for us, so that Steinmeier does not speak publicly, in any case, he remains in Obama’s position - to put pressure on Russia, that is, on the pro-American position, and it was thanks to his actions, including Maidan, that’s why we are grateful to him for Crimea - the truth is that people of Donbass have to pay for their lives with this ... Now we are not talking about that, but about Germany - a country with a strong economy in political terms, a country that is far from independent and most of its foreign policy is done overseas, so for us, Steinmayer plays the role of the president of Germany, the figure is more moderate than the figure of the present Gauck, but in any case he will look back at the United States, and inside the country, he will try to push Merkel to the post of chancellor! Since the Minsk agreements are the brainchild of this couple, it turns out that prolonging the conflict in Ukraine is beneficial for them in order to extract political dividends in the upcoming election race of the Chancellor by manipulating foreign policy activity - here you can get bonuses, such as peacekeepers!
      1. +4
        6 January 2017 20: 15
        Everyone was obsessed with Obama, only he decided everything. Not a damn thing like that.
        Merkel participated in this from the very beginning, in the coup, supported the Banderlog from the very beginning. Remember the land sold by SHELL in Donbas. The Netherlands, England, Germany barked hardest at Russia, I don’t take Canada, Australia now (there, too, were our money invested in their securities). They have invested, Germany and SHELL (Netherlands-England) a lot of money in Ukraine in the Donbass, and the republics of the LDNR across their throats, they lost a lot there. Now, on the part of the jackals, this is only revenge for the early money there, everyone knows that scum are distinguished by their meanness, there is no noble and civilized solution to this for them. Blagldar Dvorkovich and similar non-dummy advisers, they kept us for `` I ... tsa '' - I wanted to say `` securities '' in countries unfriendly to us.
        1. +2
          6 January 2017 20: 21
          In this case, Obama is just a common name for the entire US policy over the past 8 years, what about everything else in your post - I’m not very settled and have little information to draw definitive conclusions! And in an open global world, the movement of money is a natural process, as in the law of communicating vessels - the main thing here is who holds these vessels! hi
          1. +1
            6 January 2017 21: 03
            Now it’s probably more difficult to dig on the Internet, a lot of different things have appeared, but if desired, everything is possible. At the beginning of the 14th year, they wrote a lot about how much and what kind of land Shell bought in the Donbas, how much and what kind of metallurgical plants the Germans invested in. Now I don’t know, maybe they got rid of their shares already, because in connection with the war, they were in flight in many ways, somewhere, probably, they still control something.
    3. 0
      7 January 2017 00: 25
      Fritz twitched, it did not work to capture Ukraine economically. In 1941-1945, they did not succeed in seizing Ukraine by military means.
      Fritz realized that Russia has the courage to raise it again
      Victory Banner over Berlin, and here Russia will not stand for the price!
  2. +3
    6 January 2017 07: 00
    He was among those European politicians who signed the guarantees of a peaceful transfer of power in Kiev.


    I would ask this "guarantor of the PEACEFUL transition ...", the key word is "peaceful". Yes, not to anyone.
    Everything will return to square one. Capital is ruled by capital.
  3. +6
    6 January 2017 07: 09
    I don’t know how long this fuss will go around Ukraine, neither from Russia, nor from the NATO bloc, led by the United States? Does Russia expect, but what is not clear? Does Europe understand what is waiting for? Teams from across the ocean, from the new we know that Europe does not have, and has not had for a long time its own policy, designed for the interests of its peoples. They themselves are waiting for interesting things. Scary for our Russian people who live in Ukraine .. Life is getting worse every day. Moreover and in the Donbass, too. Yesterday, another English-speaking mercenary was transferred there. And strengthened by law-enforcement officers, to oversee the APU.
  4. +3
    6 January 2017 07: 23
    "By itself, Central Europe does not have sufficient political and military potential to gain effective independence from the Atlanticist control of the United States" Alexander Dugin (2000)
    "And you, friends, no matter how you sit down, / Everything is no good for musicians" Ivan Krylov (1811).
    PS But "Monkey" is clearly not a "naughty girl" ...
  5. +10
    6 January 2017 07: 46
    Peace takes courage

    I agree with the author and add that in addition to courage, an independent foreign policy is needed. Yes, Germany had the courage to start the 1st World War, and later on the 2nd, relying only on herself and a little on her allies. But today Germany (read Merkel) lacks the courage to admit that she (Germany) is acting in foreign policy exclusively at the suggestion of the United States. Whatever Steinmeier says, these are just words, and they are designed for the German man in the street, who will understand them in his own way. If Germany and France (whose signatures were under the Minsk1-2 agreements) really wanted peace, then it would have come long ago. But personal ambitions, fueled by the United States, the promoted Russophobia and the desire to "annoy" the Russians did their job. After a while, the Germans and French will bitterly regret that they contributed to the revival of the fascist regime on the edge of Europe.
    1. 0
      6 January 2017 14: 49
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Whatever Steinmeier says, these are just words and designed for a German layman who will understand them in his own way.
      Option: "Our politicians really want to make peace with Russia, only the Kremlin does not give it."
  6. +7
    6 January 2017 08: 27
    You might think that the German president is deciding something! Have you heard much about their current president? A place of honor before retirement. Chancellor - this is the position. And it will be very interesting to look at Merkel if Trump really turns to Russia.
    1. +1
      6 January 2017 12: 47
      reoriented to congress, with min work with the US president
    2. +2
      7 January 2017 12: 44
      Quote: Egoza
      if Trump really turns to Russia.


      Hello Elena and Merry Christmas.
      As for Trump's pivot towards Russia, I personally do not see a radical “reversal”. Yes, it will be possible, some relief of tension in the relationship, but it will not come to kissing - we are too different and our goals are too different. As for the disgustingness of the blackest who seeks to spoil these relations as much as possible, then he has less than two weeks left, and then we'll see how everything turns out.
  7. +3
    6 January 2017 08: 30
    The Americans and their European mongrel are trying by any, even criminal methods to bleed the Russian bear, which is gaining strength.
    One must always bear in mind that Western ideology will always be alien, if not hostile, to Russia.
    1. +8
      6 January 2017 08: 42
      To our great regret, your last thesis is not entirely correct. Yes, Western ideology is alien to an individual Russian, and even then not to everyone - 20 years of the absence of an ideological "core" in our society undermined it, and we have generations of absolute pragmatists, cynics and opportunists - and this is not the basis of Western ideology. As for state policy, I ask you not to forget that our socio-economic system is called capitalism, and being, as you know, determines consciousness. So our state ideology is absolutely identical to the Western one, no matter what we say about the "special mission of Russia", "our mysterious mentality" and other abstractions.
  8. +5
    6 January 2017 08: 43
    "We must restore confidence in Europe, and turn the sanctions from a punishment system into a system of incentives," the Austrian Foreign Minister told a German magazine and added, "to every positive development of events on the ground, respond with a gradual easing of sanctions." words, he would have given him in the face. This, what is it, decides whether to put us in the corner or give us candy. It was already shaking. Fucking politician.
  9. +5
    6 January 2017 09: 38
    What other "courage" do the Germans have? Didn't a "new order" be established throughout Ukraine? The British would not have allowed the Germans to install it in the Crimea, because they themselves opened their mouths to the peninsula. But then they had a bummer.
    And this "Pants Mayal", in the event of German troops entering the Ukraine, would roll to his Berlin and, wrapped in a carpet, would take poison following the example of its leader from 1945. We don't fight with rats, so no one would even arrest him. Scoundrels! They overtook the German mercenaries to the Ukraine, and this scoundrel covers all this shobla, the fascist is not killed!
  10. +3
    6 January 2017 10: 21
    German politics is exactly the same as the United States, with interests above all else.
    Agreement on the settlement of the political crisis in Ukraine - a document signed by 21 February 2014, the President of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych and the leaders of the parliamentary opposition, mediated by representatives of the European Union. The signing of the Agreement was intended to end the massive bloodshed in Kiev and put an end to the acute political crisis that began in November 2013 in connection with the decision of the Ukrainian authorities to suspend the process of signing the Association Agreement with the European Union.

    For some reason they don’t like to remember that the ministers of foreign affairs of Germany and Poland, Frank-Walter Steinmeier, Radoslav Sikorsky and the head of the continental Europe department of the French Foreign Ministry, Eric Fournier, acted as guarantors of the agreement.
  11. +6
    6 January 2017 10: 22
    The unshakable head of the German Foreign Ministry is Frank, he is Walter, and he is Shtanmeier - a man of his word.
    Yanukovych gave the floor, he himself took it. Together with her grandmother, Angela did this in Europe; Brussels cannot fix it. To listen to him is not to respect yourself.
  12. +1
    6 January 2017 12: 04
    Peace requires courage. Gotta save it
    This is somehow a little alarming. Courage for what? To die with honor, to endure migration danger, what must the German people courageously do? Or is it still necessary to have a mind and a will to achieve a goal?
    1. +1
      7 January 2017 12: 16
      Quote: svp67
      This is somehow a little alarming.


      Pure blah blah water if you want to preserve the hegemony of Berlin in the EU.
      1. +1
        7 January 2017 17: 30
        And at home ............ that would not chat
  13. +1
    6 January 2017 12: 40
    Unfinished Merkel and Oland and their squire
  14. 0
    6 January 2017 12: 51
    completely different goals, the main of which is to use the conflict in Ukraine to contain Russia. Exactly as prescribed from across the ocean.
    1 T90 =? Mercedes S class. Who will win then?
    Economics is a lot, and goal-setting in foreign policy is much more important than the movement of trains on a schedule.
  15. 0
    6 January 2017 13: 10
    The Germans, is it like a fuller ???
  16. +1
    6 January 2017 13: 28
    You can’t rely on Germany. Even if they wanted positive, the Americans would immediately cover up all their initiatives. And then, Germany is crushed by its past, on the one hand, and Nazism returning slowly, on the other. And sanctions are Amer’s invention, and they will be for a long time, despite Trump and others like him.
  17. +3
    6 January 2017 16: 07
    Courage, of course, is necessary. The courage to drive the American invaders from Germany.
  18. +4
    6 January 2017 17: 43
    A united Germany had the meanness to plant a pig into a disconnected Russia: to sponsor a civil war.
  19. +1
    6 January 2017 18: 59
    Quote: Mar. Tira
    I don’t know how long this fuss will go around Ukraine, neither from Russia, nor from the NATO bloc, led by the United States? Does Russia expect, but what is not clear? Does Europe understand what is waiting for? Teams from across the ocean, from the new we know that Europe does not have, and has not had for a long time its own policy, designed for the interests of its peoples. They themselves are waiting for interesting things. Scary for our Russian people who live in Ukraine .. Life is getting worse every day. Moreover and in the Donbass, too. Yesterday, another English-speaking mercenary was transferred there. And strengthened by law-enforcement officers, to oversee the APU.

    We won’t pull economically !!! collapse ourselves and begin another world redistribution.
    1. 0
      8 January 2017 23: 02
      Quote: tolmachiev51
      We won’t pull economically !!! collapse ourselves

      Who are you, an economist? Then present your evidence. Otherwise, you are an alarmist. Ukraine is Russia. Did Pushkin go to Odessa and Taurida during his trip abroad?
      1. 0
        8 January 2017 23: 09
        Quote: iouris
        Quote: tolmachiev51
        We won’t pull economically !!! collapse ourselves

        Who are you, an economist? Then present your evidence. Otherwise, you are an alarmist. Ukraine is Russia. Did Pushkin go to Odessa and Taurida during his trip abroad?

        - if "purely in terms of economics" - then, for example:

        - and one more thing:

        - well, and the picture "for candy":



        Enough for a start? wink
  20. +2
    6 January 2017 21: 51
    For some time the war in Ukraine was stopped by the agreements concluded in Minsk.
    If, and that was possible to stop, it was the complete defeat of national pedofelism and neofascism in Ukraine! The whole situation in Ukraine is indicative and identical to the times of 1933-1939 in Europe - the same customers and sources of financing, only chose other performers.
    1. +1
      7 January 2017 12: 28
      Quote: VadimSt
      The whole situation in Ukraine is indicative


      Indicative - it means something shows. But what? This (apparently from a hangover) was told by a fat girl from Rada, the wife of the notorious Svidomo fat girl, - Irina Gerashchenko:
  21. +1
    6 January 2017 23: 01
    Courage is not suitable at all in this case. This is an occupied country. No matter how puffed up, they are not an independent state. Not a single step will be taken until the owner gives the go-ahead. And a little deviated from the course - through the horns with a whip.
    1. +1
      7 January 2017 12: 33
      Quote: Vadim12
      This is an occupied country.


      But apparently, the hegemonic interest in this voluntarily occupied country ends, and this is fraught with tragic consequences for it, which we will witness in the near future.
  22. 0
    7 January 2017 06: 24
    I think the time has come for Europe to take a sober look at the situation in Dill and in Europe as a whole!
  23. +1
    7 January 2017 09: 14
    And who is Germany? Occupied the Fifth Reich! Like Japan ...
    Before the Germans, Gorbachev and Shevardnadze were bargaining, before Japan, the Yeltsins with trump cards ...
    Less Steinmeier should be invited to Russian universities, where he sows separatism.
  24. +1
    7 January 2017 12: 13
    (We must restore confidence in Europe, and turn sanctions from a punishment system into a system of incentives, ”the Austrian Foreign Minister told the German magazine and added,“ To respond to each positive development of events on the ground by gradually easing the sanctions) ”

    Does Europe itself want this? If according to Steinmeier the sanctions are a "system of incentives", then introduce them (sanctions) on yourself and you will be happy (in everyday language this is called masturbation).
  25. 0
    7 January 2017 12: 39
    Objective observers noted: the OSCE, under the chairmanship of Germany, began to solidify with one of the parties to the conflict - with Kiev.

    Steinmeier peacekeeper ensured fulfillment of his postulate
    “Sanctions against Russia can be lifted only after Moscow fully fulfills the Minsk agreements to resolve the conflict in eastern Ukraine.”

    He does not recall his obligations as one of the guarantors of the implementation of the Minsk agreements. I forgot. Of course, Moscow is to blame for everything.
  26. 0
    7 January 2017 14: 52
    The annoyance that both of my grandfathers (a dull word) them (Froilyan) haunts ..... he wants revenge ......
  27. 0
    7 January 2017 18: 58
    To be president in Germany is to be zero on a stick, everything is decided by the chancellor ... So, this, all bullshit ...
  28. +2
    10 January 2017 01: 34
    To achieve peace in Ukraine, first of all, it is necessary to stop financing its Bandera government and its economy, and everything else is diabolical ...
  29. 0
    10 January 2017 07: 44
    Scary fart and whistle in different directions, Steimayer gabbelsky abortion!

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