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Ukroboronprom announced the imminent start of the release of American lethal weapons in Ukraine

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There is an answer to the question of how Ukraine can get American weapon soon. Recall that for a long time, American President Obama blocked the initiative to send US-made lethal weapons to Ukraine. Now the information comes from Kiev that Ukrainian manufacturing enterprises are ready to start production of American weapons under a license granted by the USA.


Initially, negotiations touched on the production of the American M16 assault rifles. These negotiations and consultations are currently being conducted by the Ukrainian company Ukroboronservice with Aeroscraft, which received the appropriate license from the US administration.

The head of the Ukrainian concern Sergey Mykytyuk:
The first weapon that the pilot project will be made in Ukraine will be the M16 automatic rifle. The manufacture of weapons according to the NATO standard is part of the development and reform of the Ukrainian defense industry.


At the same time, Mikityuk said that we are talking about the WAC47 model (such a model for production in Ukraine is indicated on the website of the Ukroboronprom state concern).

Ukroboronprom announced the imminent start of the release of American lethal weapons in Ukraine


During the presentation, it was stated that the WAC47 has a caliber of 7,62 x39 mm, the capacity of the store is 30 of cartridges, the mass is 3,11 kg. The initial speed of a bullet departure is 884 m / s.

Photos used:
http://ukroboronprom.com.ua
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  1. bouncyhunter
    bouncyhunter 3 January 2017 16: 08
    +49
    What the hell? Why is the patron not "decommunized"? ZRAADA !!! laughing laughing laughing
    1. oleg-gr
      oleg-gr 3 January 2017 16: 11
      +23
      Another imitation of reform. Under this business they will give money for implementation. Perhaps they will release something. Only who will build a cartridge plant?
      1. tol100v
        tol100v 3 January 2017 17: 37
        +7
        Quote: oleg-gr
        Perhaps they will release something.

        Glass ... not a fool for long!
        1. iConst
          iConst 3 January 2017 22: 00
          +10
          Quote: Tol100v
          Quote: oleg-gr
          Perhaps they will release something.

          Glass ... not a fool for long!

          If this information is correct, then, most likely, there will be a pseudo-screwdriver "license" - rifles will come from the Pendoc warehouses, for example, with an unscrewed stock. The macaques will screw.
          What they are doing is bypassing the definition of "supply" of lethal weapons. Now on the blue eye - ah, what? We are nothing - they are themselves.
          1. iConst
            iConst 3 January 2017 23: 05
            +12
            Actually, some kind of nonsense: M-16 model (???) WAC-47 - I do not remember this.
            1. The Internet is silent - only in the mention of ukrovsky declaration.

            2. Then the M-16 under the light cartridge. TTX indicates 7.62. In theory, this is a completely different weapon. Just do not change the caliber.

            3. Found only one company “Aeroscraft” - but it only deals with air projects - it doesn’t smell like weapons.

            I conclude: the message is fake.
            1. HUMAN OWNER 1
              HUMAN OWNER 1 4 January 2017 17: 22
              +2
              The conclusion is not correct, here this muck even the store from AK use
              1. iConst
                iConst 4 January 2017 22: 28
                +1
                Quote: OVERHEAD 1
                The conclusion is not correct, here this muck even the store from AK use

                If your picture, then this SR-47 company Knight's armament.

                Are there too many reservations? Therefore - a fake. tongue
      2. Alf
        Alf 3 January 2017 19: 25
        +9
        Quote: oleg-gr
        Only who will build a cartridge plant?

        Why build it? Our cartridge is painfully familiar, intermediate.
        And what a strange term-
        Muzzle velocity
        ?
      3. avdkrd
        avdkrd 4 January 2017 12: 50
        0
        Quote: oleg-gr
        Only who will build a cartridge plant?

        Yes, no one will build - in the states everything is already built
        1. Stas Snezhin
          Stas Snezhin 4 January 2017 21: 56
          +2
          Yes, Ostap Bender's expression "Abroad will help us." became the national idea of ​​all Ukraine ..
      4. Platonich
        Platonich 5 January 2017 09: 07
        0
        The NATO ammo is like dirt!
      5. your1970
        your1970 5 January 2017 15: 10
        0
        Our cartridge, the usual 7,62 * 39, and the plant is almost there, although it is like an elbow .....
      6. GSH-18
        GSH-18 6 January 2017 12: 24
        0
        Ukroboronprom announced the imminent start of the release of American lethal weapons in Ukraine

        As well as combat starships with a yellow flag on board! lol
    2. Safer
      Safer 3 January 2017 16: 16
      +5
      Well, even if in mattress it’s not against AK, then dill made a discount on decommunization :) Yes, and in warehouses they have a lot of these cartridges :)
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 3 January 2017 16: 57
        +6
        And what? Soviet cartridge from AKA intermeddle in NATO M-16?
        1. 210ox
          210ox 3 January 2017 17: 08
          +15
          If you really want it, you can hammer it .. If you are lucky ..
          Quote: sabakina
          And what? Soviet cartridge from AKA intermeddle in NATO M-16?
          1. GSH-18
            GSH-18 6 January 2017 12: 27
            0
            Quote: 210ox
            If you really want it, you can hammer it .. If you are lucky ..

            What for? Kalimb M-16 5,56mm, caliber AK74 5,45mm. Comes in softly, the current ma with the first shot the barrel will tear to a single hair dryer lol that's all!
        2. meriem1
          meriem1 3 January 2017 17: 10
          +7
          Quote: sabakina
          And what? Soviet cartridge from AKA intermeddle in NATO M-16?

          That nooo .. M16-5,56 mm .. The cartridge plant will be redone))) Like assemblies in reactors. M-16 and so wedges .. well, and let it wedge better.
        3. Safer
          Safer 3 January 2017 17: 27
          +2
          Well, the article says about wac 47. there is a picture on the picture. I just did not understand why the effective distance is only 600m ... Although, from drunken eyes ... you can’t even aim further from the machine.
        4. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 3 January 2017 19: 52
          0
          Well, a little hole to make it fit.
        5. Irbenwolf
          Irbenwolf 4 January 2017 12: 39
          +2
          In general, they are going to do this ... Abbriveatua W (est?) AC (AK) -47 ... The American defense will try to squeeze the Kalashnikov market (cartridges in the sea warehouses) plus saturate the countries surrounding Russia with an affordable means (for various barmels ) the use of cartridges.

          Ammunition is easier to steal than AK itself ... although I'm an amateur ...

          For acceptable results, a production culture is needed, it was not even in coarser things, "modernization" of a reliable AK as a piece of wood is not able to carry out, but here a full cycle "from scratch" Colo (washing)
          1. sabakina
            sabakina 4 January 2017 12: 43
            +1
            US defense will try to overcome the Kalashnikov market

            Where? In Ukraine? In the Baltic states? For God's sake! Even the last Papuans will never give up the AK!
            1. Irbenwolf
              Irbenwolf 4 January 2017 13: 51
              +2
              Weapons tend to seep across borders. And if earlier Russia was surrounded mainly by artisans whose products were not needed by anyone because of their quality and combat characteristics. Now, in a neighboring country aggressively disposed towards Russia, they want to bring in an arms factory based on a Russian cartridge.

              This is not Borz ... this is more serious ...
            2. GSH-18
              GSH-18 6 January 2017 12: 55
              0
              Quote: sabakina
              Where? In Ukraine? In the Baltic states? For God's sake! Even the last Papuans will never give up the AK!

              SABAKIN, on, what are you talking about? These are the Papuans we can and will not refuse, and sprats with kaklama after a shout from the Fashington opkom are ready to rearm at least with a slingshot! The main thing was the "made in usa" stamp.
      2. Dimont
        Dimont 3 January 2017 17: 03
        +7
        It’s just that in Ukria they decided to be closer to Europe and NATO and rivet clubs on the NATO model. What comes of this, this is a question .. And they licked on time and washed the money
    3. vovanpain
      vovanpain 3 January 2017 16: 23
      +15
      Quote: bouncyhunter
      What the fuck

      Yes, the garbage is simple, like five cents, the next "Dung" will be released, and even then: fellow
      1. 79807420129
        79807420129 3 January 2017 16: 36
        +29
        to establish the release of American weapons under a US license.

        There the whole country is already under an American license and the beholder drinks heavily. fellow
    4. 78bor1973
      78bor1973 3 January 2017 17: 44
      +3
      A care instruction in the form of comics for the same will be?
      1. Skeptic Self-Taught
        Skeptic Self-Taught 3 January 2017 17: 57
        +5
        evil you ...
        now what? due to the fact that the M-16 is a kakakha, now do you have to re-shoot all the amer films again? :)
        1. es.d
          es.d 3 January 2017 19: 14
          +3
          E..e..e M16, M4 are slightly different systems.
    5. zadorin1974
      zadorin1974 3 January 2017 18: 59
      +6
      In vain we laugh. On this subject, you can drag any weapons into Ukraine, bypassing all sorts of restrictions. In fact, iron will be produced in any country. Allegedly, it will be assembled in Ukraine. So, the news is not entirely good.
    6. Cat
      Cat 3 January 2017 20: 06
      +1
      Here with the cartridge "samostiiniki" and burn: a steel sleeve, Soviet gunpowder and super-duper M-16 trash or a hammer at the exit (no standard bayonet is provided).
    7. stas
      stas 3 January 2017 20: 55
      +2
      The Maidan will soon, in spite of the maskals, move to live on the Moon, and they will not let anyone go there, and rename the Moon to Crimea. Again, Our.
    8. vell.65
      vell.65 5 January 2017 19: 15
      0
      Quote: bouncyhunter
      What the hell? Why is the patron not "decommunized"? ZRAADA !!!

      What difference does it make to whom to trash.
  2. 210ox
    210ox 3 January 2017 16: 11
    +14
    They will fight a lot with this M16 ... Yes, let them do it ... There is more pathos and advertising than result ..
    1. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 3 January 2017 16: 26
      +25
      Quote: 210ox
      They are a lot with this M16 they will fight ...

      As with the Kalash they fought - the masters of "boilers", damn it, so they will fight with the M16. The young lady from the Institute of Noble Maidens, at least give an ax, at least a chainsaw - they won’t cut all the firewood .... They think they’ve gone wrong with Kalash, so will everything work out with M16 right away? PEOPLE are at war, not M16 .... And THESE, so to speak, people can’t be redone at no American factory. We need new ones - but nowhere to take ....
      1. Reserve officer
        Reserve officer 3 January 2017 16: 40
        +13
        Here it is the secret of the great Ukrainian victory - the change of small arms! AK on M16. And that’s all!
        This, like - is everything ingenious simple?
        1. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 3 January 2017 16: 44
          +5
          Quote: Reserve officer
          Here it is the secret of the great Ukrainian victory - the change of small arms! AK on M16. And that’s all!

          good
        2. 210ox
          210ox 3 January 2017 17: 06
          +2
          Unfortunately, not everything is simple .. And from M16 people are easily killed ..
          Quote: Stock Officer
          Here it is the secret of the great Ukrainian victory - the change of small arms! AK on M16. And that’s all!
          This, like - is everything ingenious simple?
        3. Shurik70
          Shurik70 3 January 2017 17: 56
          +3
          Quote: Stock Officer
          Here it is the secret of the great Ukrainian victory - the change of small arms! AK on M16. And that’s all!
          This, like - is everything ingenious simple?


          laughing
    2. Vitalson
      Vitalson 3 January 2017 17: 03
      0
      The civilians will come down to naughty.
    3. APASUS
      APASUS 3 January 2017 18: 37
      +2
      Quote: 210ox
      .Yes let them do it ... There is more pathos and advertising than result ..

      Do many countries have a license for the production of M-16?
      Americans will never give such a license, you need to know the Americans to start.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 3 January 2017 21: 04
        0
        Ukraine already has a license for both M16 and TAVOR ....
        1. APASUS
          APASUS 3 January 2017 22: 17
          +1
          Quote: Zaurbek
          Ukraine already has a license for both M16 and TAVOR ....

          What is the license for TAVOR?
          Where does Zin come from?
          Why, having a license to manufacture an automatic machine, Ukraine still depends on parts supplied from Israel, do not want to answer ............................... .......
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 4 January 2017 08: 05
            0
            Everything depends on the demand and the number of products produced, to some serious volumes, the production of trunks, for example, is unprofitable. If you think that the device of the machine is a secret, then you are mistaken. Israel will gladly sell technology and licenses.
            1. APASUS
              APASUS 4 January 2017 12: 52
              0
              Quote: Zaurbek
              Everything depends on the demand and the number of products produced, to some serious volumes, the production of trunks, for example, is unprofitable.

              It does not seem to be profitable at all since we never saw it in the Donbass. But the parade showed that this weapon was only for beautiful performances.
              Since 2009, NPO Fort has been producing TAR-21 modifications in Ukraine: Fort-221, Fort-222, Fort-224.
              1. Zaurbek
                Zaurbek 4 January 2017 15: 20
                0
                It’s just that in Ukraine there are so many old AKMs and AK-74s that the new weapons are still 10 years old
                not
                will need to
                1. APASUS
                  APASUS 5 January 2017 10: 38
                  0
                  Quote: Zaurbek
                  It’s just that in Ukraine there are so many old AKMs and AK-74s that the new weapons are still 10 years old
                  not
                  will need to

                  That's right!
                  And it’s worth reviving the cavalry, carts and sabers for machine guns. Here Maxim has already entered the service of the Armed Forces
  3. tihon4uk
    tihon4uk 3 January 2017 16: 13
    +8
    Given the quality of soldiers training in the APU, they will use these rifles like clubs! they won’t even be able to clean, and you don’t even have to talk about the quality of production!
    1. wasjasibirjac
      wasjasibirjac 3 January 2017 22: 48
      0
      Quote: tihon4uk
      Given the quality of soldiers training in the APU, they will use these rifles like clubs! they won’t even be able to clean, and you don’t even have to talk about the quality of production!

      to use these "weapons" like cudgels, because they are luminous. and where did you see the M-16? I personally see some kind of non-combat variation of the Ar-15. the cartridge is not the right one, the forend is not the right one, even the receiver is not like that.
  4. Skeptic Self-Taught
    Skeptic Self-Taught 3 January 2017 16: 14
    +2
    and in time? I believe that Poroshenko left to live until spring
    1. 210ox
      210ox 3 January 2017 16: 17
      +10
      Unfortunately you are wrong ... This "project" is for a long time ..
      1. Skeptic Self-Taught
        Skeptic Self-Taught 3 January 2017 16: 22
        +5
        no longer ... Trump will not support him - not profitable.
        and without money - there only declare a total war, as the Fuhrer at the end of the war ...
        that’s the whole story ...
        1. 210ox
          210ox 3 January 2017 18: 20
          +5
          Have you decided for Trump? It’s quite presumptuous ... I personally think that the state policy will not change much .. Just because it is impossible to stop this Russophobian locomotive simply by changing the condos .. Yes and Trump is still a fruit .. See.
          Quote: Skeptic Self-taught
          no longer ... Trump will not support him - not profitable.
          and without money - there only declare a total war, as the Fuhrer at the end of the war ...
          that’s the whole story ...
          1. Skeptic Self-Taught
            Skeptic Self-Taught 3 January 2017 18: 36
            +4
            210ox
            And here it’s not necessary to decide - everything is clear in principle. TRMP will minimize failed projects. Syria. Ukraine ... And the fact that the foreign politician will not change is yes ... You just need to find out where they will spoil the new ...
            Since Ukraine has already been "hanged" on the Russian Federation, this is understandable ... we need to restore it, catch Bandera and other celestial centenaries ...
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 3 January 2017 19: 39
              +1
              Russia will not restore Ukraine - in 2019 the gas branch will be cut off and .. it will be given to us.
              1. Skeptic Self-Taught
                Skeptic Self-Taught 3 January 2017 19: 41
                +3
                Vadim - here you are wrong ... Since no one will give money to Ukraine - we don’t need Bacchanalia on the borders of the Russian Federation - so alas, it’s necessary ...
              2. The leader of the Redskins
                The leader of the Redskins 3 January 2017 20: 16
                +1
                And the fact that Ukraine has lived for 400 days without our gas, is it nothing?
                1. Alf
                  Alf 3 January 2017 21: 22
                  +4
                  Quote: Leader of the Redskins
                  And the fact that Ukraine has lived for 400 days without our gas, is it nothing?

                  But whose gas does she use? Reverse or the one that after 33 resales comes to them, only twice as expensive? So I dare to recall that all the same Russian gas.
              3. dauria
                dauria 4 January 2017 00: 23
                0
                Russia will not restore Ukraine


                Stunned. Strategic territory with developed infrastructure nafig not needed? If it is possible to put a government under control, we will even take over the international debts of Ukraine. There are no options. Even the border along the Dnieper will not suit Russia if there is NATO on the right bank. The Americans got involved for the sake of three airfields in Afghanistan; there is more and not a damn thing there. And try to kick out now.
                1. Alf
                  Alf 4 January 2017 18: 16
                  0
                  Quote: dauria
                  If it is possible to put a government under control, we will even take over the international debts of Ukraine.

                  Yes, Russia, unfortunately, is doing well to take on the debts of other countries.
                  A controlled government in Ukraine, Russia could have long been put, if there was a desire. But there was no such desire, yes, apparently, no. Recall 20 years of stupid throwing. Yes, and why take on other people's debts? Recall how the Soviet government acted after the revolution about the debts of tsarist Russia. The tsarist government took the debts, so turn to it. But the current government will not dare to do so.
      2. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 3 January 2017 16: 33
        +16
        Quote: 210ox
        Unfortunately you are wrong ...This "project" is for a long time ..

        The project will last, Poroshenko will not last long. The revolution will, sooner or later, devour its children. Therefore, all Petya needs to think about is about the right moment when to go to America. A little earlier - he is not talking. A little later - and the stolen will not help ... And the "project" will live without it. Banderonshchina firmly settled down ... It will not be long before the frozen carcasses of the Bandera people will hang on the Kiev lanterns ...
        1. 210ox
          210ox 3 January 2017 18: 22
          +3
          And Poroshenko will serve at least one term. Here you will see ..
          Quote: Zoldat_A
          Quote: 210ox
          Unfortunately you are wrong ...This "project" is for a long time ..

          The project will last, Poroshenko will not last long. The revolution will, sooner or later, devour its children. Therefore, all Petya needs to think about is about the right moment when to go to America. A little earlier - he is not talking. A little later - and the stolen will not help ... And the "project" will live without it. Banderonshchina firmly settled down ... It will not be long before the frozen carcasses of the Bandera people will hang on the Kiev lanterns ...
          1. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A 4 January 2017 00: 16
            +2
            Quote: 210ox
            Poroshenko will serve at least one term. You’ll see ..

            Let’s see ... I can’t vouch for the absolute of my words, I’m not Pavel Globa to tell everyone that I am the ultimate truth and that everything will be the way I’ve delivered ... lol
        2. wasjasibirjac
          wasjasibirjac 3 January 2017 22: 52
          +1
          Quote: Zoldat_A
          The project is for a long time, Poroshenko is not for long. The revolution will sooner or later gobble up its children necessarily. Therefore, all Pete needs to think about is the right moment when to blame for America.

          Petro Yatsenyuha sent to America. believes yatsenyuh on their own grandmother bought 20 villas in Florida? a springboard is being prepared for the retreat. will be Little Ukraine in Florida. and Petya is the president.
    2. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 3 January 2017 16: 29
      +8
      Quote: Skeptic Self-taught
      I believe that Poroshenko left to live until spring

      Why? If he knows how to blow to America in time, he will live longer ... But no, since Mussolini will be suspended by his legs in the window of the Roshen brand store ...
      1. Kasym
        Kasym 3 January 2017 17: 32
        +3
        He needs to serve at least one presidential term in order to blow into America. Otherwise, even there they will be sentenced for a failed project, "undressed" at least.
        In the United States, Russian weapons are very popular, and the Kiev authorities ... D. B. - Lavrov ... They will sell the M-16 rather than make it possible to produce at home. hi
        1. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 3 January 2017 18: 21
          +4
          Quote: Kasym
          In order to blow him to America, he needs to serve at least one presidential term. Otherwise, they will be sentenced there for a failed project

          There is an option. "Pro-Russian terrorists trained in Moscow raised an uprising against the legitimate Ukrainian authorities, created a threat to the life of the legitimate president of Ukraine in order to sow chaos in democratic Ukraine and occupy independent Ukraine on the sly." In short, the Kremlin is to blame again. How do you like this CNN, or Fox News? You can also make him a victim. And blame Russia for another Orange Revolution in Ukraine. History is not made by events, but by their interpretation ... By the way, Saakashvili didn’t have anything for the failed project of Georgia and the stupid war war of the 2008 year - on the contrary, they sent it to the reserve and pulled it out at the right time, dusted it off, fed it with ties, and into battle!
  5. Observer2014
    Observer2014 3 January 2017 16: 15
    +13
    The first weapon that the pilot project will be made in Ukraine will be the M16 automatic rifle. The manufacture of weapons according to the NATO standard is part of the development and reform of the Ukrainian defense industry.
    Yes show-off, though not cheap. Now M16 will start talking and its modifications are a weapon of professionals. Maybe. For some armies with a budget of less than half a trillion dollars, and so. Only in the army, "give me hto sho can" yes in dugouts at checkpoints. In the mud, this M16 is like a hare's fifth leg.
    1. Saratoga833
      Saratoga833 3 January 2017 17: 46
      +5
      Quote: Observer2014
      In the mud, this M16 is like a hare’s fifth leg.

      During the Vietnam War, American soldiers very willingly exchanged their M-16s for our Kalashnikovs, since in real combat operations our weapons were superior in all respects to the American ones! Including reliability in case of pollution and ease of maintenance.
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  6. The stranger
    The stranger 3 January 2017 16: 17
    +4
    ABOUT! Now they will finally revolt Moscow, and then Rostov!
    Everyone stand, boyazzo!
    1. Observer2014
      Observer2014 3 January 2017 16: 36
      +4
      The stranger
      ABOUT! Now they will finally revolt Moscow, and then Rostov!
      Already taken. We have guest workers from Ukraine as dirt laughing .This is about the central and banderlog. And with the east or LDNR does not matter, these are our people. They with status or refugees
      1. The stranger
        The stranger 3 January 2017 16: 46
        +3
        Aren't they disgusted with plowing the invaders?
        Westerners something.
        Damn, I don’t understand. How dishonor can reach ...
        1. wasjasibirjac
          wasjasibirjac 3 January 2017 22: 55
          0
          Quote: Alien
          Aren't they disgusted with plowing the invaders?
          Westerners something.
          Damn, I don’t understand. How dishonor can reach ...

          and they are like partisans. and commit sabotage - they send money to their families.
  7. Fagelov
    Fagelov 3 January 2017 16: 27
    +2
    What is "lethal" in the M-16? Did the license come from the USA? Oh well.
    1. The stranger
      The stranger 3 January 2017 17: 05
      +1
      License and lethal.
  8. san4es
    san4es 3 January 2017 16: 28
    +10
    ... sabotage them to the factory good
  9. cannabis
    cannabis 3 January 2017 16: 29
    +10
    Cartridge, cartridge, cartridge! Rather, show the entot cartridge, which, with a shortened barrel, kicks up a bullet 160 m / s faster. Srrrrrochno steal one to study .......
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 3 January 2017 17: 01
      +2
      Ammo okay. I wonder where they will produce it?
      1. cannabis
        cannabis 3 January 2017 17: 16
        +6
        Quote: sabakina
        I wonder where they will produce it?

        You can make a curious expression on your face and promise to build an innovative weapons factory near Zhmerynka with a little grazing. UkrKolt company for example. Ha! Himself incriminating in plagiarism! This was already with Ilf and Perov. World Chess Tournament in New Vasyuki !!!
  10. Wolka
    Wolka 3 January 2017 16: 43
    +2
    promising doesn’t mean getting married ... screaming out from under the gate too ... wait and see
  11. iouris
    iouris 3 January 2017 16: 54
    0
    This American oxymoron should not be used here. In the Russian (state) language there are the concepts of "weapons" and "military equipment".
  12. scaramaks27
    scaramaks27 3 January 2017 16: 58
    +3
    Well, if the M4 model WAC 47 .... in one small, hot, but very proud country, when the old man McCucacaine was still "buv litak" brave amerovskie "gi ah" with great pleasure, on occasion, tried to change this (M4) to a trouble-free SCS!
  13. Morris worm
    Morris worm 3 January 2017 17: 01
    0
    Yes there and so civilian ARs were collected from the Colt designer, I can assure you not of poor quality, there is no Orsis of course, but many of the details they already have.
    So the designer is sent, they collect it and go on the road!
  14. alavrin
    alavrin 3 January 2017 17: 12
    +3
    What nah im rifles without cartridges? There are no cartridges (the Lugansk plant moved to Russia), but there are rifles ...))
  15. goncharov.62
    goncharov.62 3 January 2017 17: 40
    +1
    Is this the beginning of your end or the end of your beginning will be?
  16. muhomor
    muhomor 3 January 2017 18: 04
    +2
    Well, damn it I can't understand! Well, what is the point of switching to a "new" old machine? belay What efficiency? TTX is clearly worse! stop Only forces and means will be spent. And with cartridges of leapfrog it will be.
    1. Babermetis
      Babermetis 3 January 2017 18: 50
      +2
      A line for optics and "bells and whistles" produced by NATO countries.
      Quote: muhomor
      Well, damn it I can't understand! Well, what is the point of switching to a "new" old machine? belay What efficiency? TTX is clearly worse! stop Only forces and means will be spent. And with cartridges of leapfrog it will be.
    2. Alf
      Alf 3 January 2017 19: 29
      +1
      Quote: muhomor
      Only ... spend money.

      Here! The golden word "funds"!
  17. Larra anathema
    Larra anathema 3 January 2017 18: 06
    +3
    Well, they got a license.
    Well, and the production base? Here at VO there are a lot of materials on the topic: Ukraine has technologies, but there are no specialists, not to mention factories.
    It is clear that this news is terribly joyful for them: freshly made VAKs combined with curvature are a very, very dangerous weapon ... for ukrov themselves.
  18. Brigadier
    Brigadier 3 January 2017 18: 19
    +4
    M16 against AK in the natural conditions of Dill? Yes, this is wonderful! A lot of our guys from the LPR and the DPR will be saved, because the reliability of the M16 (and even in Bandera manufacturing!) Is well known! laughing
  19. CYBERNINJA
    CYBERNINJA 3 January 2017 18: 23
    0
    Now it’s clear why Russophobe McCain came to check how things are going with his military business
  20. Ruby
    Ruby 3 January 2017 18: 31
    +2
    The good news is in fact, which doesn’t add any fighting efficiency to the dill army :)
    They will cut a piece of the budget, which in other cases would go to something useful for them, well, they will release something. Although it is not clear what they were going to do. As far as I know, they do not have a serious production of gun trunks. Then they merge the topic in a quiet, that's all. The bottom line is, a certain number of babos in something pocket and a decent hole in the defense budget. Donbas really shouldn’t be upset about this.
  21. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 3 January 2017 18: 32
    +6
    Yes, at least put on embroidered shirts, even take off the harem pants - and the cartridge 7.62x39 will not give 884 m / s! From no trunk. 7.62x54 - can. But I do not want to shoot from the trunk weighing 3.1 kg with such ammunition in bursts.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 3 January 2017 19: 43
      0
      So this rifle is just under the cartridge 7.62x54.
      1. Alf
        Alf 3 January 2017 21: 25
        +1
        Quote: Vadim237
        So this rifle is just under the cartridge 7.62x54.

        Raise the eyes in the photo in the article. There it is very clearly written 7,62x39.
  22. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 3 January 2017 18: 40
    +3
    Wonderful. m-16 with a shorter barrel even compared to the AK_47 / 74. (AK 415mm, as far as I remember). Under the AK cartridge with the m-16 mechanism))) They simply cannot even establish production until the end of the "country", not to mention the fact that the quality of these "crafts" could reach a normal level only if there were specialists at the factories and in KB. Specialists, not Banderlogists.
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    1. Alf
      Alf 3 January 2017 19: 31
      +2
      Quote: Comrade_Stalin
      How dill managed to throw the same bullet out of the barrel with a length of 406 mm at a speed of 884 m / s, this is unattainable for the mind.

      There is a superpowder. The latest Ukrainian development.
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      2. wasjasibirjac
        wasjasibirjac 3 January 2017 22: 59
        +2
        Quote: Alf
        Quote: Comrade_Stalin
        How dill managed to throw the same bullet out of the barrel with a length of 406 mm at a speed of 884 m / s, this is unattainable for the mind.

        There is a superpowder. The latest Ukrainian development.

        Salts added?
      3. mr.redpartizan
        mr.redpartizan 3 January 2017 23: 02
        +1
        Cannabis gunpowder, probably. I saw in YouTube one report on the latest development of dill gunsmiths - hemp cartridges.
    2. Tai
      Tai 3 January 2017 21: 15
      +3
      they decommunized meters, now they have the correct ones, and their bullets flew faster)))
    3. bunta
      bunta 3 January 2017 22: 22
      +4
      This is what, they are piercing armored personnel carriers with this bullet.
    4. mr.redpartizan
      mr.redpartizan 3 January 2017 23: 00
      +1
      Svidomo cartridges give +150 bullet speed - that's the whole secret.
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  25. rus-5819
    rus-5819 3 January 2017 18: 45
    +2
    automatic rifle M16. NATO-made weapons are part of the development and reform of the Ukrainian defense industry.

    You will also "cut" the trunks yourself, ukr?
    Where am you planning to buy ammunition?
    There are many questions, the answer is one: - "Abroad will help us!" .. Ostap, damn it, not implemented.
  26. Zomanus
    Zomanus 3 January 2017 19: 01
    +1
    There will be no arms shipments. There will be disassembled arms deliveries.
    So to say in the form of a car kit. Outside Ukraine, these car kits will be assembled.
    Well, in general, yes. But in any case, it all depends on
    how hard Trump is ready to defend what he talked about during the election campaign.
    If someone forgot, then Obama also received a peace prize for a reason.
    his plans were very rosy for us.
    And then the system of checks and balances began ...
  27. sgazeev
    sgazeev 3 January 2017 19: 10
    +2
    Kalash is self-sustaining, and from this it will be difficult for pan-leg-killers.
    For example, there is an opinion that the M16 is rather a good sports rifle, suitable for military service only conditionally due to a number of inherent flaws [12].

    As such, they are called, first of all, the low reliability of the weapon, especially in the hands of a relatively inexperienced or careless fighter, or in conditions where careful maintenance of the rifle is simply impossible, unlike a Kalashnikov assault rifle. In particular, it is believed that because of this, the M16 is unsuitable for long autonomous trips [12].


    M4 carbine, disassembled for cleaning; in the foreground, a massive cylindrical bolt frame is clearly visible.
    The reason for this lies mainly in the design of the weapon: its bolt carrier (eng. Bolt-carrier) has the form of a cylindrical part, quite tightly fitted to the walls of the bolt box (“receiver” - eng. Upper reciever) made of a relatively soft aluminum alloy, the inner surface of which does not have developed "pockets" for removal of pollution. This leads to the fact that if dirt or sand gets into the receiver’s cavity - the weapon either ceases to shoot immediately, or when firing without immediate cleaning it can very quickly fail [12].


    Shutter M16. The numbers indicate:
    1 - spring rings, providing a landing bolt inside the bolt; 2 - shutter; 3 - axis of the ejector; 4 - hairpin restricting the course of the reflector; 5 - reflector spring; 6 - reflector; 7 - ejector; 8 and 9 - ejector springs.
    Moreover, this happens, despite all the measures taken by the designers to seal the weapon, such as the introduction of a spring-loaded shutter closing the window for ejecting cartridges (opening automatically when firing) or eliminating the slot for the cocking handle (the handle is located behind the receiver and is stationary when firing, which itself led to a decrease in reliability and the emergence of such an additional detail as a shutter closer (Eng. forward assist), which allows you to close it if for one reason or another it does not reach its extreme forward position under the influence of a return spring itself, and the risk of such a delay M16 has been upgraded due to its characteristic design of the cartridge removal mechanism with a spring reflector fixed to the bolt, the spring of which is compressed when the cartridge is retaken, taking energy from the mobile weapon system).


    Repeatedly criticized the system of "direct" gas exhaust without a gas piston, used on the M16.
    In addition, the repeatedly criticized system of the “direct” (without a gas piston) gas exhaust engine (English direct impingement), which is the most significant design feature of Stoner's rifles, also does not differ in reliability, contributes to the pollution of the weapon mechanism by powder deposits, its increased wear due to high temperature and the formation of aggressive chemicals, and requires the use of gunpowder in cartridges of consistently high quality, as well as frequent changes and additives of grease due to its “burnout” during firing - and the grease used must also be of high quality. A thin tube connecting the cavity of the bolt box with the gas outlet on the barrel is also a weak point of the weapon, since it heats up under intense fire (sometimes to the point that it begins to glow in the dark) and can burst.

    It is noted that in the hands of an experienced fighter who understands the need for careful maintenance of the weapon and provides it, the M16 is completely reliable. However, the very need for careful care can be called a disadvantage for military weapons operating in real field conditions [12]. The addition to the M16 Rifle Tips manual, distributed among American soldiers in Vietnam, recommended cleaning up to 3-5 times a day [13].

    Assembling and disassembling the M16 for cleaning, although theoretically it is not particularly difficult as a procedure, in the opinion of those who operated this weapon in combat conditions, in practice can be carried out almost exclusively indoors, not only because of the presence of small parts in the weapon, but also due to the fact that when assembling weapons “in the field”, dust and dirt in enough quantities can get inside the sealed receiver [12]. In addition, the cleaning of weapons is complicated by the presence of a large number of inaccessible places in which carbon deposits accumulate, which, however, can be said about many other samples operating on the principle of removal of powder gases, including a Kalashnikov assault rifle, which, for example, presents particular difficulty cleaning a flue gas tube having a complex shape.

    Other significant shortcomings of the weapon are called.

    The dimensions of a rifle with a 20-inch (508 mm) barrel are currently considered unnecessary, especially for motorized infantry moving inside a limited volume of armored personnel carriers [12].

    The M16 is characterized by insufficient service strength - the alloy receiver is very prone to cracking during impacts that occur even during normal operation of the weapon - for example, the body of armored vehicles, and at the same time is not at all repairable, so any breakdown of it requires replacement, which is very expensive and requiring a new sighting of weapons. Plastic fittings parts also do not differ in high strength [12].

    The small-caliber M16 barrel is characterized by capillarity (retention of water that has condensed or gets into it, which is not completely removed with a simple shaking of the weapon), which can lead, if not to a sharp increase in the pressure of powder gases during firing and, as a consequence, to rupture of the barrel [1], then to his quick - in just a few shots - failure [12]. Moreover, this drawback is mainly associated not with the diameter of the bore, but with the nature of the rifling used - the AK74 with exactly the same caliber is devoid of such a flaw (5,45 AK and 5,56 M16 calibers are absolutely identical due to differences in caliber measurement systems in the USA and In Europe - in AK along the rifling fields, and in M16 - along the bottoms of rifling) [12]. To eliminate this drawback, a special muzzle cap was developed, put on the trunk in the stowed position [1].

    In addition, like all weapons under low-impulse small-caliber cartridges, the M16 is often criticized for the relatively low breakdown and prohibitive action of a bullet [12], while its striking ability for an unprotected target is usually not satisfactory.

    For regular M16 stores, an unreliable supply of cartridges is characteristic: despite their formal capacity of 20 and 30 rounds, in practice, the reliability of the supply is ensured when loading no more than 17 and 28, respectively [14]. The addition to the M16 Rifle Tips manual, distributed among American soldiers in Vietnam, categorically prohibited the equipment of a 20-round magazine with more than 18-19 rounds of ammunition [13].

    The receiver of shops with a long neck, although it is convenient to use, tends to clog up with dirt under appropriate conditions, after which joining a store becomes problematic [12].

    Placing the return spring in the butt does not allow to obtain a full folding butt (for shortened versions of the M4 type it is made telescopic, when folded, the length of the weapon decreases comparatively only slightly).

    Finally, as a significant drawback is the high price of weapons [12].

    Modification of the M1980A16 adopted in the early 2s, which received a thicker and heavier barrel, adapted to conduct intense fire, a wider and more comfortable butt, made like the new forearm, was called upon to “get rid” of some of the shortcomings characteristic of early weapons. and a handle made of more durable polyamide instead of brittle fiberglass, improved sights that allow more precise adjustment when shooting, and other improvements.

    However, along with this, a “cut-off” appeared in it, which limited the number of shots in the line when firing automatic fire to three. This detail was immediately criticized, since it was practically useless in battle - even an inexperienced shooter may well “cut off” short bursts, but at the same time he would seriously harm the accuracy of firing single shots due to the fact that changes introduced into the USM weapons negatively affected the nature of the descent - it became heavy, uneven and with a failure at the end. Therefore, at present, many army A2 rifles, as well as all M16A3, armed with the Marine Corps, do not have this device [12]. The most modern variants of the AR-15 family - the M4A1 carbines - also have the usual automatic fire mode without cut-off, but the latest modification of the M16A4 rifle retains the "cut-off".
  28. Stinger
    Stinger 3 January 2017 19: 25
    +2
    Glory to McCain! This is the most necessary weapon. Without it, no transgression is possible. Production must be established necessarily at the ROSHEN factory. And the cartridges are there. So that not a single dollar passes by the owner’s mouth. Glory to Ukraine! Poroshenko glory! Shame on the rabbit!
  29. 113262a
    113262a 3 January 2017 19: 31
    +3
    Ironically in vain! This is the case when a serious contract was contracted - Kiev Aeros is a kind of DESPICABLE ME! Before the war, it was one of the best offices in Miter working in the production of ALS, paragliders, kites, and motorized hang gliders. Who cares, Izh site-http: //www.paradelta.ru/page/aeros. Not majors and not cutters, crossed before. Now, Svidomo on the board, it’s for the Pentagon that they riveted the airship. There are two options — either they will be inside Vekraine to collect disassembled in these, or, really, using the purchased equipment and license, they will muddle in nenka. And without hatred, the office is serious!
    1. Morris worm
      Morris worm 4 January 2017 00: 55
      0
      I thought the deal would be given to Zbroya.
  30. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 3 January 2017 20: 24
    +2
    All neighing? Thank God ... Well, for those who are in the stable, I remind you that there is where to collect this device in Ukraine - at least two plants are available. Ammunition? It is not a shame for us - they are buying from brothers in Bulgaria. And ammunition, and VOG, and shots for RPGs. And the last to spit on historical kinship. Business. Who continues to compare the line of M-16 and AK, based on the experience of Vietnam, I advise you to look at the calendar. Forty years have passed. Americans upgraded and improved their rifle. Have we greatly upgraded AK?
    1. mr.redpartizan
      mr.redpartizan 3 January 2017 23: 08
      +2
      The design of the M-16 will never be able to achieve the reliability of the AK family, how many do not upgrade it. The scheme with direct removal of powder gases and a short shutter speed with a weak return spring is designed for high accuracy of fire to the detriment of the reliability of the automation. Even the .223Rem cartridge with an almost cylindrical sleeve is less suited for automatic weapons than our intermediate 5,45 / 7,62.
    2. dvina71
      dvina71 3 January 2017 23: 28
      +3
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      Forty years have passed. Americans upgraded and improved their rifle. Have we greatly upgraded AK?

      No .. our army is still armed with an ak-47 .. By the way, how was the m-16 upgraded? Changed the butt? Have you hung a bunch of slats? .. What else? The rammer as it was and remained, therefore, they did not get rid of the delays .. Tales of reliability equal to Ak .. tell anyone ..
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 3 January 2017 23: 35
        +2
        Quote: dvina71
        By the way, how was the m-16 upgraded? Changed the butt?

        No, they stuck a grenade launcher.
        1. dvina71
          dvina71 3 January 2017 23: 48
          0
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          uh, they stuck a grenade launcher.

          Finally..
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 4 January 2017 00: 14
            +2
            I would answer right now about this, but Smirnov banned me. laughing So I will not express obscenities. sad
  31. Dimont
    Dimont 3 January 2017 20: 35
    +2
    Quote: Zaurbek
    Well, a little hole to make it fit.


    I apologize, whose hole to make more? lol
  32. Tai
    Tai 3 January 2017 21: 01
    0
    NATO rifle, under the Soviet cartridge! megazrad !!!! laughing
  33. webdog
    webdog 3 January 2017 22: 01
    +1
    focus on indicators such as the media, in particular the FRS media - CNN
    1. first, the media praised obamycha
    2. Then for some reason they began to scold him a little
    3. Then they began to deliver it in full ...
    4. Then they began to frighten Obamych - they caught a drunk with a knife in the garden of the White House ... who just picked it up and entered a guarded object. The media talked about this for 2 weeks.
    another indicator is Obamych’s behavior.
    1. if he is an enemy of Russia, then he must support all hostile actions of the Congress
    2. Congress accepted the possibility of supplying lethal weapons to Ukraine, obamych blocked it.
    3. Congress waited for Obama to leave and again passed the gun law for Ukraine, Obamych rushed to Washington by plane and again blocked the law ...
    Is that how the enemy should behave, risking his reputation and ratings and life?
  34. romandostalo
    romandostalo 3 January 2017 23: 43
    0
    Nonsense. It’s of a different caliber, remaking for a different caliber, it is a different barrel, damn it, actually everything else is different from the store and beyond !!! Complete nonsense!!!
  35. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 3 January 2017 23: 45
    0
    Ukroboronprom "announced the imminent start of production of American lethal weapons in Ukraine

    translate!
  36. Leeder
    Leeder 4 January 2017 01: 01
    0
    I wonder when ukrovoyaki tired of cleaning it, and have to go back to AK? In sitting in the trenches you won’t especially brush ...
  37. Großer feldherr
    Großer feldherr 4 January 2017 01: 12
    +1
    The article is incomplete.
    Ukraine has long been producing "civilian" ARs, AK. But all this is expensive and therefore not suitable for additional equipment.
    Here we are talking about the final assembly of finished products from gifted sets. There is no sensation here, the Armed Forces of Ukraine had no big problems with the arrow before, but the precedent itself is interesting, because bypassing the ban on the supply of weapons, the Yankees will be able to supply much more serious things.
  38. nikpwolf
    nikpwolf 4 January 2017 01: 54
    0
    Quote: Großer Feldherr
    but the precedent itself is interesting, because bypassing the ban on the supply of weapons, the Yankees will be able to supply much more serious things.

    Here, yes. Trial balloon. Business. Try, see how it goes (both in terms of performance in general and in terms of general, so to speak, reaction), move on to more serious things. That's what crap. And the barrel is not the barrel, the cartridge is not the cartridge ... everything is decided one way or another. If you make good money in the war, you sometimes need to invest, recoup investments and make a profit. This "guys" from the bloody business and are busy. And the blood is not theirs. Unfortunately.
  39. aversun
    aversun 4 January 2017 03: 22
    0
    Standard Russian 7.62 * 39 in the AK-47 barrel with a length of 415 mm has an initial speed of 715 m / s. SCS with a barrel valley of 520 mm - 735 m / s. Does this WAC47 have 884 m / s? Lies! Most likely, the initial speed for the American cartridge 5.56 * 45 is given
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 4 January 2017 03: 40
      +2
      Quote: aversun
      Lies!

      Our 5,45 has 900 m per second. Theirs Armalight - 1005 M.S.
  40. Sergei75
    Sergei75 4 January 2017 06: 40
    0
    And what is so small, it is necessary immediately with the F-22 and F-35 ....
  41. BOB044
    BOB044 4 January 2017 09: 51
    +1
    Another cut of the money allocated for this. In a couple of months, they will begin to produce the Mosin rifle. And they will say that this new modification of the M-16 rifle. Dill listen to not believe yourself. Thieves and they want to live in a freebie.
  42. Taygerus
    Taygerus 4 January 2017 10: 24
    0
    not what they will not start, and especially after January 20
  43. blind
    blind 4 January 2017 11: 56
    0
    Bugagagaga artisans of gunsmiths ruins are not even able to remake Kalash and then a new production
  44. kos2cool4u
    kos2cool4u 4 January 2017 11: 57
    0
    Quote: iConst
    I conclude: the message is fake.

    I agree, it’s for sure a fake, especially to shovel the M-16 under 7,62, how many pennies should I beg !!!!)))
  45. _my opinion
    _my opinion 4 January 2017 14: 34
    0
    Ukroboronprom announced the imminent start of the release of American lethal weapons in Ukraine

    Oh well smile
  46. va3610
    va3610 4 January 2017 19: 20
    0
    Eg, if they set up a small-scale production, then "it" will be more accurate to shoot, they have tolerances like "plus or minus tram stop" and for the M16 and its last ones this is clearly not enough.
  47. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 6 January 2017 03: 56
    0
    Pompously "served", but it seems. That there will be a knee garage assembly, that is, purely washing the bucks.