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The Black Myth of Grigori Rasputin

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The Black Myth of Grigori Rasputin

100 years ago, 30 December 1916, Grigory Rasputin was killed in Petrograd. The plot consisted of representatives of the degenerated "elite" of the Russian empire: Prince Felix Yusupov (husband of the emperor's niece), Vladimir Purishkevich (deputy of the IV State Duma) and grand duke Dmitry Pavlovich (emperor's cousin).


The organizer of the murder confessor royal family made by British intelligence. He was initiated by a resident of English intelligence, a former fellow student at a university college (Oxford) and the sexual partner of Yusupov, Osvald Reiner. The motive of the conspiracy was the fears of England about the influence of Rasputin on the Russian empress and the possibility of concluding a separate peace with Germany. Rasputin was an opponent of the war between Russia and Germany. That is why British intelligence viewed Rasputin as a real threat to the military efforts of England.

Grigory Efimovich was born into a peasant family 9 (21) in January 1869 (sources report different birth dates between 1864 and 1872) in the village of Pokrovsky, Tyumen district, Tobolsk province. There is no reliable information about childhood and youth of Gregory, but it is likely that he was a clergyman, or simply an excellent actor, who beautifully portrayed his election. At the beginning of 1890, Rasputin made the first pilgrimage to a monastery in Verkhotur, after which he turned to religion. Then he traveled a lot to the holy places of Russia and Orthodox monasteries, visited Mount Athos in Greece, then in Jerusalem. I met and made contacts with many clergymen, monks, wanderers. Thus, Grigory Efimovich had a great life experience.

In 1890, he married Praskovya Fedorovna Dubrovina, the same peasant pilgrim who bore him three children: Matryona, Barbara and Dimitriya. In 1900, I set off on a new journey to Kiev. On the way back he lived in Kazan for quite a long time, where he met his father Michael, who was related to the Kazan Theological Academy.

By 1902, he became known as the “prophet” and the “holy old man”. Rumors about the Siberian sorcerer spread throughout Russia, and soon people were drawn to him from different parts of the country. I must say that Rasputin never studied, was illiterate, did not even have a rough idea about medicine. However, he was a good psychologist, perhaps he possessed the “gift” of a peasant healer. Otherwise, it is difficult to explain its positive impact on the sick heir to the throne. Tsar Nicholas II himself believed that Gregory was “a good, simple, religious Russian. In moments of doubt and anxiety, I love to talk with him, and after such a conversation, I always feel easy and calm in my soul. ” This idea is repeatedly found in the letters of the emperor.

In 1903, Gregory arrived in St. Petersburg to the rector of the Theological Academy, Bishop Sergius (Stragorodsky). He also meets the rector of the St. Petersburg Theological Academy and the unofficial confessor of the royal family, Feofan. It was Feofan who brought Rasputin to the house of Grand Duke Nikolai Nikolaevich, and through him the “holy elder” penetrated the houses of the high society and was introduced in 1906 to the imperial family, for which he quickly became a close friend. Gregory acquired the fame of the "old man", "holy fool" and "god of man" among a part of the high society.


1908 year. Tsarskoe Selo. Rasputin with the empress, five children and a governess

The political views of Grigori Efimovich are interesting. They were close to the positions of the head of the government P. Stolypin and the right-wing leader, the Minister of the Interior P. N. Durnovo. Apparently, Rasputin, knowing life in Russia well, understood that the empire is on the verge of a big political cataclysm, therefore “you cannot rock the boat,” that is, you can’t fight in any way. In 1912, Rasputin dissuaded the emperor from interfering in the Balkan war, which put off the start of the First World War. Grigory Rasputin was a decisive opponent of the war with Germany. Interestingly, 29 June (12 July) 1914 was assassinated at Rasputin in the village of Pokrovsky. He was badly wounded with a knife. As a result, Grigory Rasputin could not express his opinion at the most decisive moment, when the king made a decision about the war with Germany. When the war was already underway, he resolutely spoke in favor of Russia's withdrawal from the war, the conclusion of a separate peace with the German Empire. Rasputin was also against the Russian-British alliance. Thus, the “illiterate man” understood the essence of geopolitics of that time: 1) the Romanov Empire would not survive a big war, and it could cause revolutionary upheavals; 2) “partner and ally” of Russia - Britain, in reality, the most terrible and irreconcilable enemy of the Russians; 3) Germany needs to be friends, not to fight. According to legend, before his death, he often said that if he was killed, Russia itself would soon collapse. “As long as I live, the dynasty will live,” said Gregory.

It is not surprising that the liberal, pro-Western part of high society, and the liberal intelligentsia took up arms against Grigory Yefimovich. It was the liberal and Western press that ultimately formed the black myth of the “holy devil”, which negatively influenced the royal family, “corrupted” it. As Prince Yusupov used to say: “After all my meetings with Rasputin, all that I had seen and heard, I finally became convinced that all evil and the main reason for all the misfortunes of Russia are hidden in him: there will not be Rasputin, there will not be that satanic force in whose hands The Sovereign and the Empress have fallen. ”

This myth was so actively spread in the West, that there Grigory Rasputin became on a par with other figures hated by westerners themselves - Ivan the Terrible and Stalin, although their political weight was incomparable. Rasputin was practically demonized (with an erotic bias), exposing him and the royal family in the most unattractive light. In Germany and the United States, Grigory Rasputin became a kind of example of a typical Russian person, like a kind of “Russian bear” or “Russian man” who drinks, depraved, and physically strong. The black myth of the “holy devil and libertine” Rasputin was actively spread in post-Soviet Russia.

At the same time, in the West, the personality of Rasputin, through the efforts of cinema, became almost mythical, like the devil. For example, in the big-budget science fiction film Hellboy: Hell's Hero, the main villain is the resurrected Rasputin, who helps the German Nazis open a portal to hell to change the outcome of the war in their favor. Only in recent years have comparatively objective documentary and artistic paintings that have shown a different image of Grigory Rasputin began to appear. In particular, the Russian eight-part film by director Andrei Malyukov "Gregory R.", where Grigory Rasputin plays Vladimir Mashkov.

As a result, the opposition in the Russian Empire was inflating the myth of its omnipotence and omnipotence. He was portrayed worse than he was. And hated because he was close to the royal family. Envy him, a simple man. As the doctor of the family of Nicholas II, Yevgeny Botkin, noted: “If it were not for Rasputin, then the opponents of the royal family and the preparers of the revolution would have created it with their conversations from Vyrubova if I were not from Vyrubova, from whom you want.”

Rasputin’s secretary, Aron Simanovich, in his book “Rasputin and the Jews” wrote: “How did contemporaries imagine Rasputin? As a drunken, dirty peasant who infiltrated the royal family, he appointed and dismissed ministers, bishops and generals, and for a whole decade was a hero of the Petersburg scandalous chronicle. In addition, there are still wild orgies in “Villa Rode”, lustful dances among aristocratic admirers, high-ranking minions and drunk gypsies, and at the same time incomprehensible power over the king and his family, hypnotic power and faith in their special purpose. That was all. ”

Therefore, it was quite easy to recruit conspirators among the haters and enviers of Rasputin, as well as the “rescuers” of the royal family from the “debaucher”. Especially at the moment when there was a real possibility of a peace agreement between Russia and Germany, which dealt a powerful blow to the plans of Britain and the USA regarding the two great empires, and the preparation of a revolution in the Russian empire. Rasputin needed to be eliminated as a factor that could give the Russian empire a breather and at the same time use its murder (the so-called “sacral victim”) to increase tension in the capital.

On the night of 17 (30) December, a friend of the royal family Grigory Rasputin was killed in Petrograd, who became the object of hatred of almost all political forces (from liberals to rightists). Rasputin was killed in the Yusupov Palace on the Moika Embankment, then his body was taken by car to the Malaya Nevka River, where it was dropped from a bridge into an ice hole. In collusion with the owner of the house, Prince Felix Yusupov, there were such different people as Grand Prince Dmitry Pavlovich, the Black Hundred Vladimir Purishkevich, and British agent Osvald Reiner. According to a number of modern British researchers who studied the activities of the Secret Intelligence Service (Eng. Secret Intelligence Service, SIS), it was Oswald Rainer who made the fatal shot at Rasputin’s head.

The search for Grigory Rasputin, given his proximity to the royal family, began as early as the morning after the murder. The investigation, which was led by the director of the Police Department, A.T. Vasilyev, advanced quickly. Already the first interrogations of family members and servants of Rasputin showed that on the night of the murder the "old man" went to visit Prince Yusupov. The policeman Vlasyuk, who was on duty on the night from 16 to December 17, on the street near the Yusupov Palace, showed that he had heard several shots at night. During a search in the yard of the house Yusupov were found traces of blood. In the afternoon of December 17 (30), blood spots were noticed on passersby on the parapet of the Petrovsky Bridge. After research by Neva divers, Rasputin's body was found in this place.

The circumstances of the murder of Rasputin almost immediately were mythologized, overgrown with the most incredible rumors and legends. The controversial, confused testimony of the murderers themselves, as well as pressure on the investigation by the Russian and British authorities, contributed to this. So, Yusupov changed the testimony several times. Apparently, this explains the stories about the "vitality" of Rasputin, who was allegedly poisoned with potassium cyanide cakes at first, then tried to shoot, beaten, and finally tied up and drowned in the Neva, and he seemed to be alive even under water arms. Forensic medical experts found three wounds on Grigory Rasputin’s body, each of which was fatal: to the head, liver, and kidney. There was also no shot in the heart, which all the killers told about. Experts did not find the poison in Rasputin's stomach, although they admitted the possibility that it could decompose when interacting with sugar or due to high temperature during cooking in the oven. In addition, Dr. Stanislaus Lasovert, who was supposed to poison cakes, said in a letter to Prince Yusupov that instead of poison he put a harmless substance.

The forensic examination was entrusted to the well-known professor of the Military Medical Academy D. P. Kosorotov. His report stated: “At the autopsy, very numerous injuries were found, of which many were already caused posthumously. The entire right side of the head was crushed, flattened due to the bruise of the corpse when it fell from the bridge. Death resulted from heavy bleeding due to a gunshot wound in the abdomen. The shot was made, in my opinion, almost point-blank, from left to right, through the stomach and liver, with the latter being crushed in the right half. The bleeding was very profuse. The corpse also had a gunshot wound in the back, in the spine, with a fracture of the right kidney, and another wound point-blank, in the forehead, probably already dying or deceased. The chest organs were intact and superficially examined, but there were no signs of death from drowning. The lungs were not swollen, and there was no water or foamy liquid in the airways. Rasputin was thrown into the water already dead. ”

Interestingly, the news of the disappearance of Rasputin caused almost universal jubilation in Petrograd, even in the ranks of the police itself. Arkady Koshko, who headed the Detective Department of the Russian Empire’s Police Department in 1917, recalled in his memoirs: “Meanwhile, the news was confirmed, and Rasutin’s disappearance became a fact. I do not undertake to describe the exultation with which Petrograd was captured! Not only people who took at least the most distant part in the political life of the country, trumpeted the victory, but also ordinary people were elated, rejoicing at what had happened. ... Meanwhile, an urgent order was followed by the Minister of Internal Affairs Protopopov, whom I was asked to exert all the forces of the investigative police to search for Rasputin. ... The personality of Rasputin was so disgusting to everyone that even the strictly disciplined police investigation policemen began to complain. This was the first case of non-confessional obedience that I observed during the 20 years of my service in the police. Agents shouted: “We really need to look for all sorts of rubbish! He disappeared - well, thank God! ”And so on.

The French ambassador to Russia, Maurice Paleologue, wrote in his diary: “The people, having learned about the death of Rasputin, triumphed. People embraced on the street, went to put candles in the Kazan Cathedral. When it became known that the Grand Duke Dmitry was among the murderers, the crowd rushed to put candles in front of the icon of St.. Dmitry

Thus, already during the lifetime of Grigory Rasputin, the myth of the “holy devil”, the “demon-debaucher” was created, which was very popular in an educated society. Although people who are not affected by this propaganda and hatred of the “peasant”, gave a more balanced assessment of Rasputin's activities. Thus, the confessor of the royal family, Archpriest Alexander Vasilyev noted: “Rasputin is“ a completely God-fearing and believing person, harmless and even more likely useful for the Royal Family ... He talks with Them about God, about faith ”.

The investigation lasted two and a half months before the abdication of Emperor Nicholas II 2 in March 1917. On this day A. Kerensky became the Minister of Justice in the Provisional Government. 4 March 1917, he ordered to hastily stop the investigation, while investigator A. T. Vasilyev was arrested and transferred to the Peter and Paul Fortress. Tsar Nikolai Aleksandrovich himself treated the high-ranking conspirators very gently. Grand Duke Dmitry Pavlovich was sent by order of the king to Persia, in the corps of General N. N. Baratov to a staff position. Prince Felix Yusupov Felix was ordered to go to his estate Rakitnoye near Kursk. Purishkevich, who went to the front, was not injured.

At first they wanted to bury the murdered in his homeland, in the village of Pokrovsky, but because of fear of disorder, they abandoned this idea. 4 January Rasputin held a secret funeral in the Alexander Park in Tsarskoye Selo. Rasputin was buried by the well-known Bishop Isidore. A letter from Empress Alexandra Feodorovna was inserted into the coffin with the following content: “My dear martyr, give me your blessing, so that it will be with me all the time on the sorrowful path that I have left here on earth. And remember us in heaven in your holy prayers. Alexandra". Emperor Nikolai Aleksandrovich also grievedly reacted to the death of the old man. On the day of Rasputin's funeral, he left a note in his diary, in which Rasputin was called “the unforgettable old man Gregory,” and his killer “monsters.”

Already after the February Revolution, by order of the Provisional Government, the grave of Grigory Rasputin was opened. Kerensky ordered L. Kornilov to organize the destruction of the body. For several days the coffin with the remains stood in a special car. 11 (24) March, his body was burned in the furnace of the steam boiler of the Polytechnic Institute.
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  1. populist
    populist 30 December 2016 06: 45
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    Emperor Nikolai Alexandrovich also sadly reacted to the death of the old man. On the day of Rasputin’s funeral, he left a note in his diary in which Rasputin was called “the unforgettable old man Grigory” and his killers “monsters”.

    The testimony of Emperor Nicholas 2 is extremely important.
    The emperor himself did not understand that he brought the same to himself.
    1. novel66
      novel66 30 December 2016 07: 32
      25
      what is pop - such is the parish, a crowd of mediocrity and crooks
    2. Monarchist
      Monarchist 30 December 2016 08: 50
      +8
      Populist. You say: "I myself did not understand that I was approaching the same people." Let's figure it out, but without insults and insults. do you agree?
      N.A. was not a stupid man, but too much a wife. Reforms are needed, but reforms need will, but not. Mother and wife demanded to preserve the traditions of the monarchy and when. The tsar decided: "maybe it will resolve itself" ..
      The emperor was a captive of traditions and cherished his mother and wife, and they were BABs
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 30 December 2016 09: 25
        +7
        Quote: Monarchist
        ... The king decided: "maybe it will resolve itself" ...

        Not resolved ... "The position obliges. If the position does not oblige, then it first kills morally, and then physically."
      2. Barkun
        Barkun 5 January 2017 12: 08
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        In confirmation of the so. Correspondence of the Romanovs. Maria Feodorovna (mother of Nicholas the Bloody, who has great influence on him, Empress Dowager, nee Dagmar, princess of Denmark): "I find that all of Europe must oppose these pagans and finally destroy the yellow race" ... Okay, well, the call to genocide, with whom it does not happen. But to whom does he write and when? 1904, to her sister, Queen Alexandra of Great Britain, wife of Edward VII. And it would be fine. But.
        England is Japan’s open ally and is obliged to enter the war on its side if at least one European state comes out in support of Russia. Those. The Dowager Empress, at least, did not orient herself at all in the politics of that time.
    3. murriou
      murriou 30 December 2016 11: 32
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      After Tsushima, his Imperial Nothingness after Nikolai Tsushima did not worry that thousands of Russian people died on his mediocre order, and along with them a whole squadron died, the chances of an honorable way out of the war and Russia's international prestige.

      Nor did he upset that one of the compelling reasons for Russia's defeat in the war with Japan was the large-scale plunder by members of the imperial family of the state. funds allocated to strengthen the country's defense.

      He was much more upset that his uncle, Grand Prince Aleksey, Admiral-General Head of the Naval Department and the Navy, one of the main culprits of the defeat and destruction of the Russian fleet in the RYA, is known for incomparably greater zeal in "supervising" the ballerinas than in the performance their direct responsibilities, -
      He was publicly booed, forced to resign and flee the country.
      "Poor Alexis," yeah.
    4. Hapfri
      Hapfri 31 December 2016 12: 02
      +3
      The testimony ... of Nicholas 2 is extremely important

      Of course it is important. Under Nicholas II there was bread. There was meat. Under Lenin there was neither bread nor meat. Moreover, meat appeared only after 70 years. So who was the more capable ruler?
      1. Parsec
        Parsec 31 December 2016 12: 32
        +7
        Quote: Hupfri
        . Under Nicholas II there was bread. There was meat. Under Lenin there was neither bread nor meat. Moreover, meat appeared only after 70 years. So who was the more capable ruler?

        When you speak, it seems that you are raving (c)
      2. murriou
        murriou 31 December 2016 15: 23
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        3-4% of the population in tsarist Russia had everything: meat in any form, and any bread to choose from, and caviar in tubs, and champagne by waterfalls. Yes, that was the case.

        Bakeries like to nod at this 3% - forgetting that about 90% of the population of the same country rarely saw meat on their table, and sometimes there was not enough bread. According to a survey of pre-revolutionary recruits, the overwhelming majority of them were chronically undernourished, only in the army began to eat meat, butter and other "master's" food. With any crop failure, mass famine began.

        But all the bakers, from their characteristic * big mind * и * outstanding moral qualities *, for some reason, they see themselves not in the place of those 90%, from whom they are 90% likely to come from - and not other than noblemen, not small ones, but from high society. Of which even much less than 1% of the population was.

        As for the USSR, in which "there was no meat", the per capita (!) Consumption of meat and dairy products in it was much higher than in tsarist Russia. But parmesan-jamon and caviar in tubs, yes, the aesthetes did not have enough, alas crying
        1. murriou
          murriou 31 December 2016 15: 52
          +6
          Oh yes and just in case knowing *education* и * quick wise * Khristobulochnikov, I repeat strictly classified facts for them:

          in tsarist Russia, there were 1 village residents per 6 citizen, i.e. peasants;
          in the prewar USSR there were already 33% of the urban population and 2 peasants per 1 city dweller;
          in the post-war USSR, the urban population even began to prevail over the rural population - and at the same time, the agricultural population continued to cope with its tasks.

          A large urban population is the flip side of the developed industry, which was in the USSR and was absent in tsarist Russia.
          K.O.
      3. Comrade Stalin
        Comrade Stalin 3 January 2017 07: 10
        +4
        In fact, the peasants did not eat meat, as it was very expensive. The usual food of the Russian peasant was bread, cabbage soup and porridge. Many contemporaries noted that the Russian conscript first ate meat in the army, and at first from unusual food, the soldiers often had diarrhea.
    5. daddy angel
      daddy angel 2 December 2017 19: 07
      0
      don't make excuses, english agent
  2. parusnik
    parusnik 30 December 2016 08: 07
    14
    Well, he shared the views of Durnovo and Stolypin and so what? .. And what did Rasputin do for Russia? .. There were two Balkan wars .. from which he dissuaded ..?
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 30 December 2016 09: 20
      +4
      Quote: parusnik
      There were two Balkan wars .. from which I dissuaded ..?

      What war was he dissuading from? Yes, from the one after which Nikolashka was sent to the other world.
      What is useful? - you wouldn’t get involved in the war, you look, and there would be no revolution ...
      1. Hapfri
        Hapfri 31 December 2016 12: 34
        +4
        What is useful? - you wouldn’t get involved in the war, you look, and there would be no revolution ...

        Stalin in the 40th did not get involved and received the disaster of the 41st. And a one on one war.
        The emperor had to start shooting the "Sicilists" without trial or investigation. Then there would really be no revolution.
        1. murriou
          murriou 31 December 2016 15: 27
          +6
          Nicholas did not have any advisers-bakers, otherwise ... lol

          When Kolchak began to shoot everyone in a row without trial, he received a guerrilla war and a loss in the civil war even before meeting with regular enemy troops. Worldwide Unique Achievement laughing
        2. CastroRuiz
          CastroRuiz 13 May 2017 02: 56
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          Polu Dumi rozstrelyat, osobeno Milyukova s ​​Guchkovim i nebilo bi nikakoy fevralskoy revolucii i bolshevikov.
  3. Basil50
    Basil50 30 December 2016 08: 11
    15
    With all the negative information about Rasputin, he was killed as a MAN, who dared not only approach the tsar, but also give advice. Class divisions were no less than in India between castes. The fact that * pederast * Yusupov talks about morality or the Black Hundred Purishkevich talks about politics is kind of normal, but the fact that a simple * music * is spinning near the tsar and still has the audacity to have an opinion is intolerable.
    Today it is difficult for us to understand the class divisions of IMPERIAL RUSSIA, and much is slipping away as incomprehensible. But the February Revolution took place also because the richest people and nobles of RUSSIA did not like the dominance of the royal court and the frank transformation of RUSSIA into a colony of the Entente.
    1. Walking
      Walking 30 December 2016 11: 13
      +3
      Quote: Vasily50
      But the February Revolution took place also because the richest people and nobles of RUSSIA did not like the dominance of the royal court and the frank transformation of RUSSIA into a colony of the Entente.


      In turn, the richest and noblemen would like more power and with them Russia would have turned into a large colony of the same Entente. The February revolution was organized by the leaders who, with their actions, prepared the collapse of the country, the armies themselves could only chat and really could not do anything. So the Bolsheviks simply took advantage of the situation and picked up power; they turned out to be a real force.
    2. murriou
      murriou 30 December 2016 11: 19
      +1
      Even so, the influence of Anglo-French interests on Russia from the February Revolution rather increased.
    3. avt
      avt 30 December 2016 12: 15
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      Quote: Vasily50
      With all the negative information about Rasputin, he was killed as a MAN, who dared not only approach the tsar, but also give advice.

      Nonsense! It was a simple, ordinary, but not a successful palace coup. Conducted by British intelligence, or rather an unsuccessful attempt, in contrast to the murder of Paul No. 1. Those who wish may well find specific facts for themselves, but today an article about this has been briefly issued in Komsomolskaya Pravda. Well, there’s an Aglitsky film of the Air Force. But the attempt did not go in vain - according to the results of the investigation, Nikolashka No. 2 showed the whole World, you can kill people from his inner circle with impunity, there is no sense in spreading about the person involved. Little of ! The killers could also publicly brag about when they saw during the investigation that for the fact of the criminal offense - the murder, they will not be anything! And this is generally beyond all the norms of state power, that is, to publicly show subjects that the main type is a crowned bearer and its symbol is an empty place. Not capable of observing the laws established by this government for society. ALL ! A curtain! February 1917, the revolution is already real, since the monarchy was swept away at once, the green light was given to move ..... moreover, it was Nkolashka No. 2, its criminal inaction and the promotion of impunity.
      1. Ilja2016
        Ilja2016 30 December 2016 19: 13
        +1
        You should write with Samsonov. It would be a good company laughing
    4. c3r
      c3r 30 December 2016 19: 49
      0
      Some kind of mess! They didn’t want to become a colony and the collapse of the country or selling the supreme power! That’s exactly what mother had for the Russell!
  4. Monarchist
    Monarchist 30 December 2016 08: 22
    +6
    Rasputin is a multi-faceted personality: it is known that he was in the Khlyst sect and Orthodoxy understood a very peculiar one. There is evidence that he hunted horse-stealing, and the peasants of horse-thieves did not favor.
    He had a hypnotic gift and this explains the influence on the tsar, his contemporaries spoke of "the demonic eyes of Rasputin."
    Rasputin and the Tsarina, A.F. God blessed Rasputin, but how do you think your mother will react to the person who facilitated the suffering of the heir?
    Rasputin the healer, perhaps, or maybe he used Badmaev’s infusions? It is known that he was close to Badmaev, and Tibetan medicine ...
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 30 December 2016 08: 46
      +7
      I read about Rasputin at Pikul's "Unclean Silan", Yusupov's memories are almost identical to those of Pikul about the moment of the murder. The film "Agony" also coincides.
      1. AAV
        AAV 30 December 2016 10: 45
        0
        You can also read about Rasputin by E. Radzinsky in the book "Rasputin". There, the author, among other things, expresses his version of the murder, which is different from that described by Pikul.
      2. avt
        avt 30 December 2016 13: 38
        +6
        Quote: Reptiloid
        I read about Rasputin at Pikul's "Unclean Silan", Yusupov's memories are almost the same as Pikul's about the moment of the murder. The film "Agony" also coincides

        Quote: AAV
        You can also read about Rasputin by E. Radzinsky in the book "Rasputin".

        wassat laughing laughing This is strong! This is who you need to be in order to seriously discuss the authenticity of historical facts on Pikul, Radzinsky and the ART film! laughing This is in the presence of a completely accessible criminal case and completely voiced by the shaved facts themselves, with confirmation of archival documents not only from Russia, but also from Big Britia. Well, the memories of this pederast recruited by an English agent, whom his English lover, who was present and finished off Rasputin, when he was dragged around the courtyard, as evidenced by the trace in the photo in the criminal case, was completely something. bully Well, look at least the Air Force’s film’s doc, there they are frankly, well, though not all to the end, but they say. And then we may see what we want to look for, except for Pikul’s fantasy in history, and Radzinsky’s frank nonsense.
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 30 December 2016 18: 04
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          A film of agony based on the book of A. Tolstoy, a contemporary., I also read it. The detectives' reports. These are the books that relatives had at home when I became interested in this topic. Newspapers began to appear about Rasputin, Radzinsky, "secrets" "all sorts. Everything is bullshit. Honestly, to say, the topic is not very ... There are other, more serious gaps in history. I just can't cover everything, but I'll watch the BBC film, I wonder who else will say what.
          1. avt
            avt 30 December 2016 18: 41
            +1
            Quote: Reptiloid
            .A look at the BBC movie, I wonder who else will say.

            Still there was a good domestic one, there Dyatlov commented, it began mystically, and then so smoothly and beautifully everything was put in their places almost in chronological order in time. Here unfortunately I forgot the name recourse and the search engine constantly throws out the BBC-shny, also not bad, but .... not what I wanted. And the topic is interesting, if it's not stupid to talk about Grishka in the forehead, here in the St. Petersburg film there was a version that Yusupov was thrown by his lover on the theme of his antiquity of the family and that the monarchists would elect him to the kingdom in chorus. Just consider this murder as one of the elements of the attempt change of the existing system in Russia, a friendly, allied power - the monarchy, and even .... direct relatives!
            1. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 31 December 2016 00: 02
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              Well, you see, time passes, more serious information appears. At that time I was interested in Purishkevich, as well as the fact that a heterogeneous company had gathered. To be honest, I didn't know about blueness, or didn't understand, ??? It’s a long time ago. The bride was also mentioned there. ??? I remember Grishka’s words when they bought a whole basket of wine before the road, Grishka said: ---- ““ It’s a holiday. -pei! "" This was documented by the detectives: the train, the basket and the detectives were also crammed. Grishka's house on Gorokhovaya street. Now it is clean and well-groomed. Professor Preobrazhensky from the "dog's heart" also lived on Gorokhovaya. Well, the Yusupov mansion is also still in its place.
              Quote: avt
              ...... this is a murder, ....... one of the elements of an attempt to change the existing system in Russia, a friendly, allied power - the monarchy, and even .... direct relatives!
              1. Reptiloid
                Reptiloid 31 December 2016 00: 24
                +1
                A film with Dyatlov's participation, of course, can be found, but it is not included in the filmography, as I have now found out. Probably it is necessary to watch the cycle of programs. Could it be "urban legends" ---- such a cycle on TV-3? ? [quotе = avt]
                Still there was a good domestic one, there Dyatlov commented, it began mystically, and then so smoothly and beautifully everything was put in their places almost in chronological order in time. Here unfortunately I forgot the name recourse and the search engine constantly throws out the Air Force, also not bad, but .... not like that. And the topic is interesting, [/ quote] And the movie with Depardieu?
              2. Parsec
                Parsec 31 December 2016 02: 02
                +4
                Quote: Reptiloid
                Also on Gorokhovaya lived Professor Preobrazhensky from the "heart of a dog"


                In Moscow, Prechistenka St., 24/1, lived Preobrazhensky. The film was shot in St. Petersburg, but the house on Mokhovaya was shot in the role of the Kalabukhov house.
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                2. Reptiloid
                  Reptiloid 31 December 2016 06: 07
                  0
                  Sadness, I made a mistake. Well, what about Yusupov’s mansion ----- of course, there could have been some kind of pavilion inside the shoot,
    2. Olgovich
      Olgovich 30 December 2016 10: 34
      +7
      Quote: Monarchist
      Rasputin is a multi-faceted personality: it is known that he was in the Khlyst sect and Orthodoxy understood a very peculiar one. There is evidence that he hunted horse-stealing, and the peasants of horse-thieves did not favor.


      The inventions about Rasputin are multifaceted: he was NOT a sectarian: the answer to this was given by the results of a special investigationwhich conducted Tobolsk Spiritual Consistory .29 November 1912 by decision of the Tobolsk Spiritual Consistory the case of Khlysty peasant Grigory Rasputin was closed, the suspect himself was found not guilty.

      The same is with horse-stealing: in the ONLY episode in which he is mentioned, the criminals were convicted by the police and sentenced by a rural gathering of the village of Pokrovsky to various punishments. And Rasputin was NOT among them.
      Quote: Monarchist
      Rasputin and the Tsarina, A.F. God blessed Rasputin, but how do you think your mother will react to the person who facilitated the suffering of the heir?


      I completely agree: there is undeniable evidence that it was Rasputin who could stop the terrible bleeding of the boy Alexei Romanov, saving him from death, for which the family, of course, was grateful to him.
      1. murriou
        murriou 30 December 2016 11: 15
        +5
        Quote: Olgovich
        On November 29, 1912, by decision of the Tobolsk Spiritual Consistory, the case of the Khlysty of the peasant Grigory Rasputin was closed

        Doesn’t it seem strange to you to make such a decision? En years after the appearance of suspicion, and during the period of greatest influence of the suspect at court?
      2. Ilja2016
        Ilja2016 30 December 2016 19: 16
        +1
        You are also in the company of Samsonov
  5. Mikado
    Mikado 30 December 2016 08: 36
    +5
    Krasnov (the one who was hanged, and deservedly) in his major novel "From the two-headed eagle to the red banner" was unequivocal in his assessment of Rasputin. He rated him very negatively, especially lust. Also in the novel, the idea was casually put forward that Rasputin had time to "mischievous" even among members of the royal family.
    There is another point of view - the story of a certain Krivorotov "The Court Jeweler", in which Rasputin is presented only as a pawn of Simanovich and a kind of "Jewish mafia" (may my colleagues from Israel forgive me).
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 30 December 2016 09: 46
      +5
      Quote: Mikado
      ... in his major novel ... ... a story by a certain Krivorotov ...

      Reading fiction is generally not bad, but still you should not make historical conclusions on their inventions.
      1. Mikado
        Mikado 30 December 2016 10: 01
        +3
        I emphasized that this is a story. That is, there is fiction. With a conspiracy bias. Of course, far-reaching conclusions should not be made on the basis of fiction.
        Rasputin himself, as I understand it, caused mainly negative assessments of his contemporaries.
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 30 December 2016 10: 21
          +2
          I read that Rasputin predicted about his murder, about the death of Russia .... But was it really a mythology? I also read that, for various reasons, Rasputin had negative assessments from different sections of the population.
          1. Mikado
            Mikado 30 December 2016 10: 44
            +2
            I also heard about the death of Russia. Here it is already not clear where the truth is, and where the myths about it are. He infuriated the upper circles. And what did the people think of him? Only rumors from higher circles. But there is no smoke without fire, which means that he really was not so holy.
            I probably agree with the opinion of Roman66 - "what is the pop - such is the parish, a bunch of mediocrities and crooks." A holy place is never empty. Weak rulers always have "dark incomprehensible figures" at the throne.
            1. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 30 December 2016 10: 51
              +1
              It seems to Pikul that the common people did not consider Rasputin to be their own because of the whip, deviations from the rules of the Orthodox faith, something like this
              1. Mikado
                Mikado 30 December 2016 11: 22
                +2
                exactly. Probably, in the eyes of the people, he was a "sorcerer" and not a holy old man.
              2. Boris55
                Boris55 30 December 2016 11: 35
                +1
                Quote: Reptiloid
                deviations from the rules of the Orthodox faith, somehow

                He was an Old Believer who saved Russia more than once.
                1. Reptiloid
                  Reptiloid 30 December 2016 12: 01
                  +2
                  Reading Pikul, I understood that in the places where he came from there was this Old Believer faith. But he was already departing from it. He was with whips together ... But in St. Petersburg he didn’t remember her. I went to ordinary service, even myself, even with the royal family. Something like that.
                  1. Boris55
                    Boris55 30 December 2016 12: 16
                    +2
                    Quote: Reptiloid
                    Reading Pikul, I understood that in those places where he came from there was this Old Believer faith.

                    There is a good book on Old Believers with many links to official documents:

                    Few people know that in the middle of the 19th century, Russia was essentially already split in half. When the government sent several study groups around the country at the end of the 1840, a terrifying picture emerged: millions of Russian people did not consider themselves adherents of the official church and were extremely hostile to the current government.
                    Entire provinces were seized by a schismatic frond. There were countless villages controlled by representatives of the Old Believer movement, where the houses had double walls and roofs to hide the fugitive schismatics. In the hands of highly successful merchants, the Old Believers concentrated enormous financial and industrial resources. In fact, a second, parallel Russia was built.
                    The young Slavophile Ivan Aksakov, a member of one of the state commissions, wrote then doomedly: "Right, Russia will soon be divided into two halves: Orthodoxy will be on the side of the Treasury, the Government ... and everyone else will turn to a split ... It seems that we are destined only to understand illness and contemplate how it devours gradually not yet completely infected members. " Actually, this happened later in the form of two Russian revolutions, for which the Old Believers prepared generous ground.
                    This book shows for the first time a complete picture of the consequences of the spiritual division of Russian society and the true role of the Old Believers in the history of Russia.

                    It is a pity that only on the 17-th year. The Old Believers are still alive today.
                    1. Reptiloid
                      Reptiloid 30 December 2016 15: 33
                      +2
                      The theme of the Old Believers is a completely new unknown topic for me. Thank you.
                2. Ilja2016
                  Ilja2016 30 December 2016 20: 09
                  +1
                  From whom did you save and when do not tell me? laughing laughing
        2. Boris55
          Boris55 30 December 2016 11: 34
          +1
          Quote: Mikado
          Rasputin himself, as I understand it, caused mainly negative assessments of his contemporaries.

          And who formed the opinion of these contemporaries? In whose hands were then, and still remaining, the media? If we take into account that 90% of the population were illiterate, then it turns out that all these contemporaries are entirely exploiters dreaming of throwing away the tsar, who prevented us from fulfilling their selfish goals, which, in principle, they achieved in February and almost ruined Russia ...
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 30 December 2016 13: 02
            +1
            Quote: Boris55
            that all these contemporaries are entirely exploiters dreaming of throwing off the king

            As the article says:
            As the doctor of the family of Nicholas II Eugene Botkin noted:
            “If Rasputin hadn’t been, then the opponents of the imperial family and the preparations for the revolution would have created him with their conversations from Vyrubova, if not Vyrubova, from me, from whom you want.
            1. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 30 December 2016 18: 12
              +2
              Just as at the end of the 20th century sorcerers and Sensei began to appear in droves, so at the beginning of that century also some kind of sorcerers and sorcerers appeared. If you want to believe in miracles ------ another if the sorcerer were at the throne.
          2. murriou
            murriou 30 December 2016 14: 12
            +2
            Quote: Boris55
            And who formed the opinion of these contemporaries? In whose hands were then, and still remaining, the media?

            You see the media, but nobody canceled the ability of people to judge something themselves.

            All the state media in Tsarist Russia were told to the Russian people with all their might that Russia should certainly enter the war with Japan and win.
            Then - that Russia is already very, very victorious in the REV.
            Then they suggested that Russia lost very, very slightly, and did not even want to win at all. repeat

            And only a few, constantly censored, sources risked to assert otherwise. But in the end people believed them for some reason. this "hostile opinion" shielded by the censorship turned out to be the complete truth.

            It was the same with the state of affairs of Russia in WWI. And so it was with Rasputin.
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 30 December 2016 14: 37
              0
              Quote: murriou
              You see the media, but nobody canceled the ability of people to judge something themselves.

              Yes, in Ukraine, too, it’s like mass media, but we have what we have ....
              1. murriou
                murriou 30 December 2016 18: 14
                +1
                100 years ago, political technologies were much weaker.
                And there was no "tilivizir" lol
                1. Boris55
                  Boris55 30 December 2016 21: 57
                  0
                  Quote: murriou
                  100 years ago, political technologies were much weaker. And there was no "tilivizir" lol

                  It was as if there were no watered technologies, but priests carried out political information every Sunday. laughing
                  1. murriou
                    murriou 30 December 2016 22: 19
                    +1
                    Too true! laughing
        3. ruskih
          ruskih 30 December 2016 12: 48
          +1
          Nikolai, welcome. Conspirology. Only at once I ask you to treat my words condescendingly and not to throw stones at me. Very interesting moments and photos of Rasputin were in the Battle of psychics season 17 episode 8, just as additional versions.
          1. Mikado
            Mikado 30 December 2016 13: 24
            +1
            oh, I do not like conspiracy theories)))) good afternoon!
            1. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 1 January 2017 18: 07
              +2
              After reading the article and comments, I became interested in the topic, because I didn’t update the information from the school, it was not interesting, all the favorites were evil. on this subject, including very recent ones. Indeed, we are talking about a conspiracy for the sake of the benefits of Britain. I AGREE with the words of those authors who believe that for Nikolai2 his wife was chosen for the benefit of the British. BUT I am going to continue watching the stories. Regards
              1. Reptiloid
                Reptiloid 2 January 2017 13: 16
                +1
                But also there are plots most disgusting, laudatory and compassionate at the same time.
  6. baudolino
    baudolino 30 December 2016 09: 35
    +1
    "He was illiterate" and "it is likely that he was a clergyman" - here you need to choose one thing).
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 30 December 2016 09: 41
      +2
      Quote: baudolino
      "He was illiterate" and "it is likely that he was a clergyman" - here you need to choose one thing).

      Rasputin was an Old Believer, trying to prevent the horrors of the future, for which he was killed.
  7. Stas57
    Stas57 30 December 2016 09: 51
    +4
    Author: Samsonov Alexander

    and, well, it’s clear that we can be martyrs right away?


    Not surprisingly, the liberal, pro-Western part of the upper world, and the liberal intelligentsia took up arms against Grigory Efimovich.


    the opinion of the church there is no desire to indicate, the church is already taking up arms!
    is it probably corrupt and liberal?
    yes, the monarchists have gone weird now, although nothing surprising.
    this character has done more for the collapse of the camps than all the Bolsheviks, thank you dear English intelligence, that at least you decided.
  8. Olgovich
    Olgovich 30 December 2016 09: 58
    +7
    Black myth about the "holy line and the libertine" Rasputin actively spread in post-soviet Russia.


    Just in the post-Soviet Russia and sounded other Rasputin’s assessments, but his assessment by the communist leaders in an amazing way coincided with the grades she gave him " liberal, pro-Western part of the high society, and the liberal intelligentsia "," England and the USA "

    In this light, the author’s apparent sympathy for Rasputin seems somewhat unexpected.
  9. Kostya Andreev
    Kostya Andreev 30 December 2016 10: 10
    +7
    Quote: Monarchist
    The emperor was a captive of traditions and cherished his mother and wife, and they were BABs

    I translate in monarchical into Russian.
    The opinion of BAB was more dear to him than the well-being of millions of subjects. A rag he.
    Regarding the political objections of Gregory, here it is necessary to decide, and who is he a politician or a holy elder.
    And there is such a proverb: There is no smoke without fire. Question Why daughters of Nicholas did not get married? perhaps due to the fact that the fame at the house of the Romanovs was bad.
    Another attempt to wash the white dog black dog.
    1. Mikado
      Mikado 30 December 2016 10: 22
      +7
      Question Why daughters of Nicholas did not get married?

      I would venture to suggest: who needed them with hemophilia in the genus? When they grew up to marry, their little brother’s illness was known to everyone.
      1. Kostya Andreev
        Kostya Andreev 30 December 2016 10: 35
        +7
        plyusanul your version, the elephant, I did not notice, ATP.
        And then the question is, what should I call a spouse who married a woman with hemophilia?
        and after that, are his monarchists still trying to protect?
        1. Mikado
          Mikado 30 December 2016 11: 05
          +3
          we have no right to judge him as a person... He loved her. She in many ways subordinated him to herself, especially after the discovery of the disease of the long-awaited heir - hysteria and so on. I think he did not know about hemophilia in his future wife, science was not at that level. And after the Tsarevich's illness there were rumors about "bad blood". Genetics was in its infancy, but intuitively none of the "colleagues from the royal houses" wanted to substitute.
          The question is that the tragedy of their family life has acquired state proportions - and as a result has resulted in millions of lives in WWII and Civil. It’s as if everything came together for the collapse of the Romanovs! We can reason in any way - like, probably, we had to abdicate at the right time, or something else, there are already a lot of options, but this is already the reasoning of us, as pathologists - we see everything, but it's too late.
          Monarchists can defend him as a martyr, but not as a ruler. Unfortunately, even in his environment there were few worthy people, all the relatives - mediocrity. No, among them were brave officers and innovators, but, as people for managing the state, they could not come in handy.
          1. Kostya Andreev
            Kostya Andreev 30 December 2016 11: 21
            +7
            Emperor is unlimited power, and serious responsibilities. Emperors marry not for love but for profit, what benefit has this marriage brought? Do you want to renounce the throne of love, especially since it is not uniform. We can do this for love, and emperors for money. He generally awakened with this marriage!
            Hemophilia already knew quite well how it was transmitted, who is its carrier, and who is sick, therefore the emperors did not want to be related (as you correctly noted)
            What kind of martyr is he? what his torment consisted of, pr ... al the country, and easily got off (for the emperor), even became a saint.
            Each will be rewarded according to his deeds.
            Quote: Mikado
            Unfortunately, even in his environment there were few worthy people, all the relatives - mediocrity. No, among them were brave officers and innovators, but, as people for managing the state, they could not come in handy.
            . What kind of pop is such a parish.
            1. Mikado
              Mikado 30 December 2016 11: 32
              +1
              He generally awakened with this marriage!

              I do not argue in the least. But .. I don’t know what to say. You all correctly say that the emperor is, first of all, an official. But, we all fell in love, very much, therefore in something it is possible, no, not to justify, but to understand .. Justification it outweigh millions of ruined lives, with all classes, sexes and ages. It was not for him that this burden was also with his wife with a sick heir in addition.
              What kind of pop is such a parish.

              this is already the fourth time in comments from different people for this article today. It seems that this phrase is the summary of Rasputin and the article! drinks
  10. AAV
    AAV 30 December 2016 10: 55
    +2
    I watched the film "Gregory P." mentioned by the author of the article. Some, in my opinion, there Rasputin "white and fluffy" turns out. Maybe Mashkov's charm affects?
  11. murriou
    murriou 30 December 2016 11: 08
    +6
    Even if you do not take dubious statements, only certain facts:

    1. There is no reliable information that Rasputin was ordained a priest or at least have some other attitude to the official church.
    A personal acquaintance with anyone at least does not replace the official status, and the author’s attempts to list priests familiar with Rasputin, instead of any convincing arguments, look ridiculous at best.
    "it is likely that he was a clergyman" is nothing more than nonsense, especially next to the immediately quoted statement about Rasputin's illiteracy (which is also confirmed by many testimonies of his contemporaries).

    2. There is evidence that he was directly related to sectarians. Even if you do not believe Rasputin’s membership in the whips, which were very exotic Christians, his connections with the Old Believers are undeniable, and this is incompatible with belonging to the official church.

    3. At the same time, he was considered the confessor of the royal family, that does not climb into any gates, no matter how you look at the facts.

    4. You can believe or not believe that Rasputin personally prevented Russian intervention in the Balkan wars. I am convinced that there were good reasons for this, and beyond that.

    However, it is undoubted that the position of Russia's non-interference in these events brought very negative consequences. As a result, the efforts of many decades of Russian politics, diplomacy, and military operations aimed at strengthening Russian influence in the Balkans went to dust.

    And the confidence of the Russian patriots in the tsarist government and its official propaganda has fallen dramatically, with such a clear mismatch of the proclaimed slogans with real deeds.

    To credit Rasputin with such "achievements" means not to whitewash him, but to compromise even more, if only this is possible lol

    5. The negative attitude of most Russian contemporaries towards Rasputin is a fact.

    6. Rasputin, as well as all the events connected with him, greatly compromised His Imperial Insignificance and the entire imperial family in the eyes of the Russian people, and Russia in the eyes of the international community.
    1. Stas57
      Stas57 30 December 2016 12: 12
      +2
      "it is likely that he was a clergyman" - nothing more than nonsense,

      there is one problem that many people forget, the Church at that time was completely a bureaucratic apparatus, and ordination then could not be noted in any way - this is at least the transfer of a person from one estate to another, and not to one, but to a privileged one, with This translation must be followed by a number of formalities.
      To all, he had to serve somewhere, be in the state or behind the state.
      and thirdly, the opinion of the church itself about a person at that time and in Soviet times and now was clearly negative
    2. Dart2027
      Dart2027 30 December 2016 12: 56
      +1
      Quote: murriou
      However, it is undoubted that the position of Russia's non-interference in these events brought very negative consequences.

      That is, RI was supposed to get into the war being unprepared for it? And this is said by a man who constantly achs that the tsar is guilty of the death of thousands of Russians.
      Quote: murriou
      At the same time, he was considered the confessor of the royal family, which does not climb into any gates

      He was considered and was a confessor - these are two different things; there is nothing concrete about his official status.
      Quote: murriou
      The negative attitude of most Russian contemporaries towards Rasputin is a fact.

      The question is how reasonable was it. For example, he didn’t find any riches from him, and the rumors about his profligacy are somewhat faceless - practically nothing concrete, one talking room.
      1. murriou
        murriou 30 December 2016 13: 59
        +4
        Quote: Dart2027
        That is, RI was supposed to get into the war being unprepared for it?

        That is, you continue to demonstrate a complete inability to notice, understand and remember everything that you personally chew spell each time. laughing
        As always, I personally deeply sympathize with you crying

        1. RI’s unpreparedness for war is very, very bad, but who is to blame for it?

        2. Russia had a huge number of opportunities to influence the Balkan events, in addition to direct armed conflict.

        3. Of all the possible lines of behavior, Russia (in the person of its ruling elite) chose the worst: to pretend that there is nothing and this does not concern Russia at all.

        4. Here, at least, Russia had the opportunity to defend Russian interests and pursue the goals that tsarist propaganda then (and crisp mythology nowadays) declared sacred and most important for the Russian people: the struggle with Turkey for Constantinople and control of the Straits.

        5. Tsarist Russia foolishly entered the RJV - for the sake of seizing the colonial possessions away from its historical center, being unable to protect them.
        Tsarist Russia foolishly climbed into the WWII - in order to protect the interests of the British and French.
        Tsarist Russia in these wars laid useless a huge number of Russian people, showing the failure of their army and navy, the incompetence of their high command.

        6. In the 1st Balkan War, Turkey was defeated without the help of Russia, on land and at sea, many times inferior to the Russians as allegedly blood and faith brothers, but Russia refused significant assistance to these brothers, and refused to participate in the fruits of their victory.

        7. As a result, the complete victory over Turkey was lost, and the Balkan countries from the behavior of tsarist Russia made their conclusions.
        Greece began to coordinate its plans and actions only with the British, partly with the French, but not with the Russians.
        Bulgaria generally ended up in the WWII ally with the enemies of Russia.
        And this is a direct result of the behavior of tsarist Russia in 1912-1913.

        And now - attention, questions are PERSONAL to my stubborn, but not convincing opponent.
        1. What do you personally don’t understand from this?
        2. Which of these can you personally challenge reasonably, and not with your usual unfounded babble?
        3. What do you hope to achieve by repeating the same stupid questions a hundred times and getting the same answers every time? laughing
      2. murriou
        murriou 30 December 2016 14: 03
        +2
        Quote: Dart2027
        He was considered and was a confessor - these are two different things; there is nothing concrete about his official status.

        His tsarina herself and the tsar himself publicly called their spiritual mentor, if this is not an official status formally, then in fact it is.
        1. Dart2027
          Dart2027 30 December 2016 15: 28
          +1
          Quote: murriou
          His tsarina herself and the tsar himself publicly called their spiritual mentor, if this is not an official status formally

          The confessor is a very specific position, which is regulated by certain protocols. As far as I know, Rasputin did not hold any official posts.
          Quote: murriou
          Tsarist Russia foolishly climbed into the WWII - in order to protect the interests of the British and French.

          Quote: murriou
          In the 1st Balkan war, Turkey was defeated without the help of Russia, on land and at sea, many times inferior to the Russian forces of alleged brothers in blood and faith

          Here are just a direct intervention of the Republic of Ingushetia would bring the conflict to another level. Or is it news for you that even then it was obvious that a general fight was about to begin in Europe? Although its scope was different from what was originally planned by most of the participants, the fact of the WWII itself was already unstoppable.
          Quote: murriou
          Russia had a huge number of opportunities to influence the Balkan events and in addition to direct armed conflict

          Well list them.
          Quote: murriou
          Tsarist Russia foolishly climbed into the NEC - for the sake of seizing colonial possessions away from its historical center

          All Siberia is a distance from the historical center of Russia. Is this news for you?
          1. What do you personally don’t understand from this?
          2. Which of these can you personally challenge reasonably, and not with your usual unfounded babble?
          3. What do you hope to achieve in response to simple questions giving a hundred times the same stupid answers?
          1. murriou
            murriou 30 December 2016 18: 25
            +2
            Quote: Dart2027
            Rasputin did not hold any official posts.

            This is by the way about the canonization of Nikolashka and his "holiness", yes winked
            And what changes from this in the context of this topic? lol

            Quote: Dart2027
            Direct intervention of the Republic of Ingushetia would bring the conflict to another level.

            Another plus ents time for particularly talented: in the 20th century, tsarist Russia was not afraid to foolishly get into just those wars, from which it could not have tangible benefits, in which it was extremely unsuccessful, and ditched many of its subjects completely useless, having received nothing but shame .

            Neither in 1903-1904, nor 10 years later, the tsar and his government for some reason were not afraid of "another level of conflict."

            But he scared him only in 1912, when a significant result was already presented on a silver platter, and it was only necessary to decide to accept it.

            Quote: Dart2027
            The fact of WWI was already unstoppable.

            And at the same time, the tsarist government misses a chance to get the maximum possible conclusions from the start of the war and entry into it. Bravo, the nanny.
          2. murriou
            murriou 30 December 2016 18: 40
            +2
            Quote: Dart2027
            Quote: murriou
            Russia had a huge number of opportunities to influence the Balkan events and in addition to direct armed conflict

            Well list them.

            Could you remind me, for the umpteenth time I’m answering this question to you, and why every time you “don’t master” my answers? lol

            But it’s easy for me to repeat it, even more in detail and I will answer in detail, taking into account your "intelligence".
            1. Large deliveries to the anti-Turkish weapons union, incl. technically advanced, from machine guns to aircraft, and ammunition.
            In reality, about a dozen private aircraft were unofficially sold to Bulgaria and Serbia.

            2. A significant number of instructors, advisers, technicians, other necessary specialists.

            3. Open diplomatic, informational, political support of the anti-Turkish union at all levels.

            4. Including, for example, raising the issue of the rights of Christians in Turkey and cases of direct violation of these rights - which, if desired, were very easy to find.

            5. Including raising the issue of Kurdish rights in the Ottoman Empire. This question has always been acute, and the Kurds made up a significant part of the Turkish army.

            6. Including raising the idea of ​​Arab nation-states.
            In WWI, raising this issue by the British provided a lot of headache to the Turks.

            7. Including, settling with his authority all friction between the members of the alliance - which in reality due to these frictions was successfully destroyed by diplomats of Austria-Hungary and Turkey with the approval of Russia, offended by the "disobedience" of its successful allies.

            8. Including moderate muscle demonstration - partial mobilization, combat readiness checks, fleet and army exercises in the region bordering Turkey.

            This is far from a direct military threat, but it is quite enough to delay Turkey’s significant forces from the Balkan war, with the corresponding relief of the task of the anti-Turkish alliance.

            Enough? How do you understand the reception? winked
          3. murriou
            murriou 30 December 2016 18: 52
            +2
            Quote: Dart2027
            All Siberia is a distance from the historical center of Russia. Is this news for you?

            The focus is not on remoteness per se, but on the apparent inability of tsarist Russia to swallow a piece into which it has opened its mouth and about which its teeth have been broken off.

            In the event of a successful RIA and sane measures of the Republic of Ingushetia to ensure Russian security in the Far East, I would not have the slightest complaints against it in this regard.

            But in reality, there was a shameful failure due to the total incompetence of the Russian command and senior management.

            Quote: Dart2027
            What do you personally don’t understand from this?

            Where did you get the idea that something is not clear to me? On the contrary, it is you who constantly demonstrate record ignorance and lack of intelligence.
            I'm sorry, as always crying

            Quote: Dart2027
            Which of these can you personally dispute reasonably, and not with your usual unfounded babble?

            Well, who would say after I brought you quotes from the plan of the Bosphorus operation from one of its compilers, as well as quotes from other sources worthy of attention, in response to your unfounded ravings and fantasies on this topic.

            After which you, as usual, faded into the bushes and pretended to see nothing laughing

            Quote: Dart2027
            What do you hope to achieve in response to simple questions giving a hundred times the same stupid answers?

            1. The "stupidity" of my answers has never been proven by anything other than a discrepancy with your personal nonsense and crusty, groundless mythology.

            2. I do not hope to get your understanding of the topic - here you are absolutely hopeless.
            But to complicate your attempts to pretend that you have no objections is much easier. bully

            3. And most importantly, there are more sane people than you and you personally.
            To them, my arguments seem quite meaningful, judging by their estimates.

            0. Traditionally and habitually, I remind you that at first the questions were asked to you - and, as usual, there is no answer from you laughing
            1. Dart2027
              Dart2027 30 December 2016 22: 14
              +1
              Quote: murriou
              And what changes from this in the context of this topic? lol

              The fact that he was no one's confessor and nothing more.
              Quote: murriou
              Neither in 1903-1904, nor 10 years later, the tsar and his government for some reason were not afraid of "another level of conflict."

              Another plus entz time for especially talented: during the REV, the probability of direct intervention in the war of other countries was practically zero - they helped Japan, but only finances and the development of its industry, and this is slightly different, and participation in the WWII was the result of the fact that RI directly intervened in the conflict in the Balkans
              Quote: murriou
              And at the same time, the tsarist government misses a chance to get the maximum possible conclusions from the start of the war and entry into it. Bravo, the nanny.

              Which ones? The help of several small and weak countries, whose armies could only fight with Turkey, and only getting help from outside?
              Quote: murriou
              But it’s easy for me to repeat it, even more in detail and I will answer in detail, taking into account your "intelligence".

              1-5 - that is, RI should have actually financed the war, while those whom it was supposed to finance were "disobedient"? At one time, the USSR helped a lot of people, but often nothing good came of it, so in this case the leadership of the Republic of Ingushetia acted quite sensibly - direct intervention is impossible, and taking someone for maintenance with unknown prospects - they themselves have enough problems.
              6 - I read the biography of Lawrence of Arabia, it is clearly written there that the Arabs fought with the Turks only when they were paid.
              7 - You didn’t forget that you yourself wrote that the small, proud peoples considered themselves very independent?
              8 - Mobilization is actually a declaration of war.
              Quote: murriou
              In the event of a successful RIA and sane measures of the Republic of Ingushetia to ensure Russian security in the Far East, I would not have the slightest complaints against it in this regard. But in reality, there was a shameful failure due to the total incompetence of the Russian command and senior management.

              That is, the fact of expansion in itself does not bother you anymore? Progress, however. Quotes from Japanese and American historians about Japan’s potential for further war Have you already forgotten?
              Quote: murriou
              Well, who would say after I brought you quotes from the plan of the Bosphorus operation from one of its compilers, as well as quotes from other sources worthy of attention, in response to your unfounded ravings and fantasies on this topic.

              In which there was nothing confirming your fantasies.
              Quote: murriou
              1-3

              That is, nothing but whining that in RI there couldn’t be anything good, in principle, simply because there were no communists, do you have any?
              Quote: murriou
              I remind you traditionally and habitually that at first the questions were asked to you - and, as usual, there is no answer from you laughing

              That is, you are already so confused in your ideological cliches that you no longer remember who started to ask anyone?
              By the way, I didn’t wait for any information about Raputin’s wealth or anything specific about his personal life.
              1. murriou
                murriou 31 December 2016 15: 31
                +2
                Quote: Dart2027
                I didn’t get any information about Raputin’s wealth or anything specific about his personal life.

                Did I sign for you to dig into someone else's dirty laundry?
                Have I touched on his wealth and his personal life?
                It is interesting to you - you are looking. Good luck to you laughing
              2. murriou
                murriou 31 December 2016 15: 33
                +2
                Quote: Dart2027
                In which there was nothing confirming your fantasies.

                You never learned to read Russian. Sorry crying
                1. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 31 December 2016 16: 53
                  0
                  Quote: murriou
                  Did I sign for you to dig into someone else's dirty laundry?

                  That is, you agree that the stories about how he ... fiction?
                  Quote: murriou
                  You never learned to read Russian. Sorry

                  You never learned to read Russian. Your business.
    3. populist
      populist 1 January 2017 10: 59
      +1
      murriou
      4. You can believe or not believe that Rasputin personally prevented Russian intervention in the Balkan wars.

      Probably.
      Thus, Rasputin worked very qualitatively as a German agent of influence. The German bloc was extremely unprofitable Russian intervention in the first Balkan war.
      With a competent entry into the PBB, the Entente countries got rid of the Bulgarian front, from the Turkish fronts and received a convenient transport route to Russia. And Russia could partially or completely solve the issue of the straits.
  12. Dekabrist
    Dekabrist 30 December 2016 11: 22
    +5
    The most interesting thing is that the version about the main role of British intelligence was launched by the British.
    "The figure of the mysterious favorite of the royal family, Grigory Rasputin, has managed to acquire many myths of a very different nature: both about his superpowers, and the fact that the forces of the world Masonic conspiracy are behind his death, and that he himself was a foreign agent. The version of the "hand of London" is especially widely circulated in the media: its authors - former Scotland Yard employee Richard Cullen and intelligence researcher Andrew Hook.In their opinion, British intelligence agent Oswald Reiner, a friend of Felix Yusupov, played a key role in the assassination of Rasputin. The authors of the sensation are sure: the old man was shot from three revolvers, and the third shooter was exactly Reiner, whose shot in the head became fatal. The basis of their investigation, Cullen and Hook, is the report of pathologists and photographs of the corpse taken at the place of his discovery.
    The main motive of the authors of the sensational guess is the fear of Britain that Rasputin will persuade the royal family to conclude a separate peace with Germany. "
    The author either did not know this moment or missed it.
    The article is long, who is interested, the link below, the site "History of Russia"
    http://histrf.ru/lyuboznatelnim/history-delusions
    / article-history-delusions / ubiitsa-rasputina-brit
    anskii-razviedchik
  13. Pushkar
    Pushkar 30 December 2016 11: 29
    11
    Rave. Already, Grishka Rasputin began to wash white. Soon the saints and great martyrs will produce.
    1. murriou
      murriou 30 December 2016 11: 37
      +6
      And why is Rasputin so worse than Kolchak, Mannerheim or Nikolashka? laughing
      The main thing for the current government is that it’s not a Bolshevik, the rest is everything lol
      1. Monarchist
        Monarchist 30 December 2016 15: 15
        +2
        Murriou, apparently you did not listen to Putin's speech: the German journalist was worried that Stalin's rehabilitation was possible in Russia. If Putin were so anti-Soviet, he could blurt out something about the Cult of the Personality or the violation of the rule of law (remember: Brezhnev, Mishka of the "marked
        "'Borya the drunkard or" Papa Ziu ") and the German would be glad, but Putin kept silent about Stalin. So he does not consider him a" villain "
        Now the reality is that young people "look askance" at everything Soviet
        1. murriou
          murriou 30 December 2016 18: 59
          +3
          Now such is the reality that people have already woken up from perestroika lies, and are able to compare the reality of the USSR with post-Soviet reality, it is clear in whose favor.

          Putin regularly admitted and admits anti-Soviet lies in his speeches, but he is forced to be careful - he and other officials of his administration, "inaccuracies" are vigorously and openly discussed every time.

          If Putin decides to put his authority openly against the authority of Stalin, the pygmy against the titan - he will bury himself.

          All that remains are sneaky attacks like "Mannergate", recognition of the myth of repression and support for Goebbels' vraci like Katyn, support for crystal-baked mythology, exaltation of the White Guards, etc.
        2. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 2 January 2017 19: 54
          0
          Quote: Monarchist
          Murriou, apparently you did not listen to Putin's speech: the German journalist was worried that Stalin's rehabilitation was possible in Russia. If Putin were so anti-Soviet, he could blurt out something about the Cult of the Personality or the violation of the rule of law (remember: Brezhnev, Mishka of the "marked
          "'Borya the drunkard or" Papa Ziu ") and the German would be glad, but Putin kept silent about Stalin. So he does not consider him a" villain "
          Now the reality is that young people "look askance" at everything Soviet

          HA HA HA !!! I missed this question, otherwise the German journalist has no other problems? What was there last year? Rape ,! Refugees oppressed! He would take care of his loved ones!
          And as for the young and socialism ------- not all young ones mow. Someone turns out to be themselves ------- acceptance. Also, and vice versa. Although the environment certainly plays a huge role. But the information is sorely lacking.
    2. Monarchist
      Monarchist 30 December 2016 14: 58
      0
      Pushkar, do you even think that he says "soon they will be made saints and great martyrs": such a dog will not be a saint. To say something like that, not at all interested in the history and culture of Russia and Orthodoxy
      1. murriou
        murriou 30 December 2016 19: 01
        +3
        Well, they wrote down nicholas, and yet, too, sanctity is not worth a penny. Here the hysteria was with the baker, as they remembered about Matilda - the cat remembers whose meat was eaten.
  14. antivirus
    antivirus 30 December 2016 14: 27
    +2
    The “illiterate man” perfectly understood the essence of the then geopolitics: 1) the Romanov empire could not stand the big war, and it could cause revolutionary upheavals; 2) “partner and ally” of Russia - Britain, in reality the most terrible and implacable enemy of the Russians; 3) it is necessary to be friends with Germany, and not to fight.
    He found himself between many groups of influence and exchanged him, behind the back of Nick 2 there were many players. Apparently, when Nik2 was weakened, there were candidates for power, in the form of a monarch instead of Nik2 or to limit his power and feed in the government or the Duma
    Greed killed all
  15. Monarchist
    Monarchist 30 December 2016 14: 51
    +3
    Alexander, I liked your article, but in my opinion you slightly exaggerated the power and intelligence of Rasputin: under Stolypin he did not "stick out" with advice. His thesis that “Germany should be friends, not fight”, in my opinion, has a mercantile origin: he loved gifts, and the “German party” traditionally didn’t skimp on “baksheesh” ', and if the Anglophiles opened their wallet wider. it is known what he would say about Germany.
    Maybe I'm stretching the analogy too much, but Grishka Rasputin (Novykh? I heard this version of the surname on TV) looks like "dad Lukash." (There is a discussion on the next thread)
  16. Ilja2016
    Ilja2016 30 December 2016 19: 04
    +2
    Just started to read and immediately realized who was writing - Samsonov. Comrade Samsonov, how much can you carry such nonsense?
  17. Ilja2016
    Ilja2016 30 December 2016 20: 12
    +2
    In troubled times, such crooks and crooks as Rasputin always appeared.
  18. AGV Pagan
    AGV Pagan 30 December 2016 21: 37
    +1
    It seems to me not entirely ethical to compare Rasputin with Stalin or Ivan the Terrible. Birds, different flight ...
  19. Mikhail Anokhin
    Mikhail Anokhin 30 December 2016 23: 21
    +3
    Myths are full! However, there is evidence. According to these witnesses and the documents they left, there was no proper investigation!
    There is a book by Rasputin's personal secretary, Aoron Simonovich. There are a lot of things written about which they usually don’t remember.
    And in general, the history of the Jews after the accession of Poland to Russia is hushed up. Even from Derzhavin’s memoirs, places related to the Jewish theme are extinct.
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 1 January 2017 17: 51
      0
      Quote: Mikhail Anokhin
      Myths are full! However, there is evidence. According to these witnesses and the documents they left, there was no proper investigation!
      There is a book by Rasputin's personal secretary, Aoron Simonovich. There are a lot of things written about which they usually don’t remember.
      And in general, the history of the Jews after the accession of Poland to Russia is hushed up. Even from Derzhavin’s memoirs, places related to the Jewish theme are extinct.

      This book also reports on the fall of the Romanovs, their deaths and other predictions. I already explained this after reading the article and comments.
  20. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 1 January 2017 13: 52
    +1
    At least Rasputin persistently dissuaded the king
    from entering World War I to save the Empire.
    He, of course, was then branded as a German agent,
    but the future showed him right. The war destroyed the empire.
    Three empires, to be more precise: Russian, Ottoman,
    Austro-Hungarian.
    1. Dart2027
      Dart2027 1 January 2017 22: 45
      +1
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Three empires

      Four. You forgot about the German.
  21. Bersaglieri
    Bersaglieri 1 January 2017 21: 08
    0
    Again a panegyric to the "elder". Why would you? Or have you decided to canonize the "Holy Devil"?
    1. Dart2027
      Dart2027 1 January 2017 22: 44
      0
      Questions of canonization are decided elsewhere by other people. Is there anything about the content of the article?
    2. populist
      populist 2 January 2017 08: 09
      +2
      Bersaglieri
      Again a panegyric to the "elder". Why would you?

      A white pseudo-ideology of the past is created and imposed.
      Everything is deeply and firmly connected here. Without rehabilitating the tsar, one cannot rehabilitate the white movement (White Guards). But Nikolashka himself cannot be rehabilitated without the rehabilitation of Rasputin. A whole group of false myths is being persistently created.
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 2 January 2017 09: 38
        0
        How can you rehabilitate your favorites? I don’t understand. Bribes, your own interests? Surely, there are such facts. Rehabilitation should be built in words "" if only, but if only "???" "If only Rasputin was not killed, then the tsar would ... "" And if Nikolai thought and did not marry ... And if he was advised ....... And if he obeyed ..... Well, what about love ------- well, Nicholas arrived in London. Besides Alex ------ the rest of the ladies of the court are old, he needs to keep the protocol, all the time communication. And the Britons add something exciting ------- after all, how many different drugs have been brought from India They fool you! And the object is one and only. Well, they pour it too. Here is love ...
        And if the king was so good, how could he never repent? And the same representatives of the white movement somehow also do not repent. And they could. SURELY SHOULD REPENT FOR EVERYTHING Children and grandchildren should also repent.
  22. Vitalson
    Vitalson 6 January 2017 11: 59
    0
    [quote = Hapfrey] [quote]. Under Nicholas II there was bread. There was meat.
    Of course, all this was balls and bread and cognac French only for about 2% of the population of multilevel Russia.
  23. pussamussa
    pussamussa 9 January 2017 11: 28
    0
    I am not inclined to consider Rasputin an odious figure. The imperial family and Grigory Rasputin are too slandered and slandered. Undoubtedly he was a man of spiritual and righteous life.
  24. pussamussa
    pussamussa 9 January 2017 11: 39
    +1
    In those years, a powerful "industry" worked, which fabricated lies, dirt, slander against the royal family and Grigory Rasputin. Finding grains of truth in all this filth is not so simple.
  25. andrew42
    andrew42 6 June 2017 16: 13
    0
    Good article. Alexander Samsonov holds the brand. The compilation of all the information that I have received over 30 years from various fiction and “movies” about Grigory Rasputin always led to an unambiguous assessment of “Something is wrong here.” At least Rasputin was not a “devil” for one trivial reason — his haters and critics themselves are “the same devils,” moreover, with all sorts of stretch marks and allegories. Secondly, one can see firsthand that all the vices imaginable and known at that time were blamed on Rasputin. This is also an indicator, as they say now, of an obvious “ordering” (illiteracy, drunkenness, debauchery, intemperance, theft, horse-stealing, and then sectarianism, cunning, resourcefulness, strong personal will). Well, it does not fit all in one person, no matter how beautiful he is. Damien Thorne nervously smokes on the sidelines. It is a pity, there were no new unclear sources about this figure. Therefore, things are still there, in the dark.
  26. ivagulin
    ivagulin 7 November 2017 12: 43
    0
    return the MINUS
  27. speelforce
    speelforce 2 December 2017 19: 44
    0
    There are so many disputes over the ordinary, albeit a talented con man))) We pass through a vulgar, such as Kashpirovsky or Chumak, so there isn’t - here you have the English trace, and the pederasts and the Masonic conspiracy of the Jews. To discuss this figure seriously - thank you, and the opinion of gr. Romanov only shows his intellectual myopia and worthlessness.