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Putin and Trump

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A year ago, on the eve of 2016, hardly anyone could have imagined that these two names would stand against each other. And on the eve of 2017, they got up! Miracles happen even in politics! It follows from this that it is fundamentally impossible to predict what will happen next year.




Presidents Putin and Trump are not yet personally acquainted, but the world commemorates them together. Indeed, it unites them a lot. Combined these two names, made absentee friends, in general, their common enemy - Hillary Clinton, the ex-US presidential candidate. And the Nobel (or Orwellian?) Laureate standing behind her, the ex-president Barack Obama. No wonder they say: there is little that unites as much as a common enemy, in this case a political one ...

Even Putin and Trump are united by the American and world press and media, with some irrationally malicious persecution. In general, it’s clear what kind of thing is liberal, because if anyone doubts, and even more so, these priests will be in the way of liberal homosexual truth, even if they are presidents, they are outlawed and subject to media lynching.

What unites them is that they are winners in the fight against this extremely deceitful world media, each in their own diocese, and in the general world field. It unites that they are pointedly polite, follow the rules of good taste in relation to each other, and even the liberal media, towering above their poisonous criticism.

There are also more serious unifying motifs - ideological ones. Putin and Trump are political conservatives, and do not hide this, supporters of traditional values: families, women and children, and therefore rebel against the liberal "it" of the third sex. They, like millions of their supporters, do not understand why the destruction of a normal family is an indispensable condition for progress? That is, they draw strength from one, in general, spiritual and moral source.

Finally, Putin and Trump are patriots, albeit from different countries. But since they are patriotic statists, they speak in support of the sovereignty of their countries in the face of globalist and financial world elites, that is, liberals of all countries who have thrown their Fatherland to build a cosmopolitan, multicultural universal and free from all prejudices, including God and Love, progressive, in the sense of a liberal society. Once Western intellectuals put forward the slogan "Workers of all countries, unite!", And today they put forward the slogan: "Liberals of all countries, unite!" Putin and Trump have become symbols of the struggle against this liberal-globalist multiculturalism.

In general, they oppose the new construction project of the Tower of Babel, the western version of the communist tower, in which “internationalism” was replaced by “multiculturalism”. The Bible says that the builders of the Tower of Babel built, after all, Sodom and Gomorrah, and came to these cities as punishment for the corruption of their divine fire. How surprisingly modern is the biblical analyst, and she helps to understand the Putin-Trump phenomenon! And he speaks of the dangers awaiting our world.

The common cause of Putin and Trump could be the fight against LIH, about which a preliminary agreement has already been reached. Here they are probably doomed to success. However, more than anything, Putin and Trump will continue to unite the struggle with their common adversary — world liberalism and its project of the new Tower of Babel. This supposedly tolerant monster is still full of strength, and is preparing to continue the fight.

The unexpected failure in the presidential elections in the United States only weakened his grip, and he is now catching his breath: the main battles are still ahead. Putin and Trump will need each other to successfully resist aggressive media attacks and covert globalist backstage activities.

Trump's problem is that the liberal-democratic government in the United States acted anonymously, through its puppets like Obama and Clinton. The puppets lost their posts, but the real power figures remained unaffected. It can be assumed that they include, for example, John Brennan, the director of the CIA, and many of his staff, many of the head of the department of the State Department and the US Treasury.

They make key decisions, like Brennon in Ukraine, where he arrived in person, and immediately after his visit, Turchinov declared war on the Donbas in the form of ATO. Rather, Obama listened to their decisions, rather than they to his speeches. Obama plays golf in Hawaii, and the powerful liberal machine continues to persecute Trump without him, and continues to set traps for him wherever he can.

Trump will have to somehow solve this problem, transfer power from an anonymous to a public sphere, and it can be predicted that the liberals will immediately accuse him of authoritarianism. Actually, the “democratic nature” of the liberal government lies in its anonymity, which is very convenient, because irresponsible, you only need to change the puppet Obama in time. Making Putin public can be helped by the experience of Putin, who is acting in the public sphere, for which he has long been awarded the title of "authoritarian leader."

It will be difficult for the two presidents to negotiate nuclear programs, strategic weapons, the future of US missile defense and Russian strike weapons. However, it is obvious that the nuclear arms race is contrary to the plans of both Trump and Putin for the economic development of their countries. The solution of economic problems that have accumulated both in America and in Russia requires limiting the arms race.

Of course, much separates them, a specific policy will dictate to them the priority of the national interests of their countries, and here disagreements are inevitable. Both in Europe, and in China, and all kinds of trans-partnerships, but we will leave these problems to the political science community, they are already plowing hard this field.

Many say that the whole world today is divided into two presidents, but the problems of this world are also entrusted to them. Somehow they will cope with them? ...
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  1. Same lech
    Same lech 31 December 2016 06: 41
    +11
    However, most of all, Putin and Trump will continue to be united by the struggle with their common adversary - world liberalism and his project of a new tower of Babel.


    Everything is so ... but how does this thesis fit in with the actions of our liberal government.
    It is no secret that in RUSSIA, the economics of the financial and oligarchic plan, even ROGOZIN, says something about the sixth technological structure there, without a developed technological base and production, this is not possible.
    1. PHANTOM-AS
      PHANTOM-AS 31 December 2016 07: 30
      +17
      All the hype around Trump's choice is tired of it.
      In this noise and applause of the media space I see one sound grain:
      Now there will be nobody to blame and blame for the failed economic policy of the Russian leadership.

      PS, "In the fall of the Russian economy, there has been a positive dynamics of 2%"
      D. Peskov. (C) wassat
      1. Tatyana
        Tatyana 31 December 2016 08: 31
        +6
        Putin and Trump are quite sane people in politics, not at all like Barack Obama with the Clinton couple!
        Therefore, both Putin and Trump sincerely congratulate you on the upcoming New Year holiday and wish them all the best in 2017!
        And we wish Barack Obama to be forgotten as soon as possible!
      2. 34 region
        34 region 31 December 2016 09: 13
        +6
        07.30. Phantom-As! What is it now? Trump will boost the Russian economy? If the Russian economy does not grow, will it be safe to blame Trump for this? Interesting phrase however. In the fall of the Russian economy there has been a positive trend of 2%! Does this mean it falls at a rate of 2%? A positive trend in the fall means a fall or do I not understand?
        1. PHANTOM-AS
          PHANTOM-AS 31 December 2016 09: 21
          +11
          Quote: Region 34
          Trump will boost the Russian economy? If the Russian economy does not grow, will it be safe to blame Trump for this?

          So they think, "like our patriots" laughing Their grandmother is to blame for everything
          Quote: Region 34
          In the fall of the Russian economy there has been a positive trend of 2%! Does this mean it falls at a rate of 2%? A positive trend in the fall means a fall or do I not understand?

          I quoted a spokesman for President D. Peskov.
          I understand that the decline was at a rate of 7%, and now we began to fall 2% slower wassat
          This is where the country's leadership sees positive dynamics what
          In other words, they pour it into the ears, hang pasta, roll the vanka, etc. yes
          1. 34 region
            34 region 31 December 2016 09: 28
            +3
            09.21. Phantom As! And I understand that they began to fall faster by 2%. He did not say negative dynamics in the fall. Either the process slowed down, or the economy began to grow. So the fall accelerated by 2%. hi
            1. PHANTOM-AS
              PHANTOM-AS 31 December 2016 09: 36
              +8
              Quote: Region 34
              And I understand that they began to fall faster by 2%. He did not say negative dynamics in the fall. Either the process slowed down, or the economy began to grow. So the fall accelerated by 2%.

              It’s hard to understand what talking heads themselves cannot understand wassat
              It is quite clear that we are falling, and the bottom that Ulyukai was looking for is not yet visible. request
          2. Nyrobsky
            Nyrobsky 31 December 2016 13: 53
            +2
            Quote: PHANTOM-AS
            I quoted a spokesman for President D. Peskov.
            I understand that the decline was at a rate of 7%, and now we began to fall 2% slower
            This is where the country's leadership sees positive dynamics
            In other words, they pour it into the ears, hang pasta, roll the vanka, etc.

            Have you quoted Peskov as a whole, or tore a fragment from what was said? Well, let's say that the quote matches the above and the economic slowdown slowed to 2%. This is really not a bad indicator, given the fact that economic sanctions have been applied against Russia. I’m interested in this: can you name a country whose economy is not subject to decline during the current crisis and is showing steady growth?
            1. PHANTOM-AS
              PHANTOM-AS 31 December 2016 14: 17
              +5
              Quote: Nyrobsky
              Can you name a country whose economy during the current crisis is not subject to decline and shows steady growth?

              Throughout the world, no one remembers the crisis, it’s just that our leadership has a crisis in which they drove the population.
              And the growth is shown by both fereg, and tea and yusa
              Quote: Nyrobsky
              This is really not a bad indicator, given the fact that economic sanctions have been applied against Russia.

              For two years now, I can’t get from any Zaputin to enumerate the items of these notorious sanctions. Whom do they really concern?
              1. unsinkable
                unsinkable 31 December 2016 15: 01
                +1
                Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                For two years now, I can’t get from any Zaputin to enumerate the items of these notorious sanctions. Whom do they really concern?

                I was for Putin, I am and I will be. And to hell with me, I know who they concern. And if neither I nor YOU know this, then it’s not especially they who hit the average citizen. Against the background of your general phrases about the collapse of the economy, you require others to accurately list the sanctions. I will repeat again : if you do not know this yourself, how can you make your statements. You are just a little informed sofa spiteful. And who are you yourself, Zyuganovites. No, most likely a liberalist. drinks Happy New Year!!!
              2. Nyrobsky
                Nyrobsky 31 December 2016 16: 45
                +1
                Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                Throughout the world, no one remembers the crisis, it’s just that our leadership has a crisis in which they drove the population.

                Come on!))) If we take the 1998 crisis, then the population was buying salt and matches, during this crisis it was noted by the fact that they bought TVs and refrigerators, real estate and premium cars, increasing the sales of retail chains by 3 times. Yes, now there is a decrease in purchasing power, but if there are three TVs, then why the fourth? The food basket, of course, has risen in price, but not so critical that a wave of hunger riots would sweep across Russia, which, introducing sanctions, was so dreamed of in the West and in the camp of homegrown liberals. And yet, yes, I respect our president for breaking the structure that the pro-Westerners built to destroy Russia through the implementation of "reforms" and the adoption of laws that led to the degradation of the people and statehood. For the fact that he was able to prove to the whole world that Russia is not a regional, but a world power, whose interests must be reckoned with. He warned the world woodpeckers - "guys, you don't need to compress the spring, because when it reaches the critical moment, it will play back." They didn't listen.
                Collectively obedient and buried the illusion of their superiority. As for the transfer of sanctions on points, I am too lazy to do this. Here is a link for you and study
                http://weic.info/ekonomicheskie_stati/ekonomiches
                kie_sankcii_protiv_rossii_rf_prichiny_analiz_spis
                ki_postviia
                1. PHANTOM-AS
                  PHANTOM-AS 31 December 2016 16: 58
                  +5
                  Quote: Nyrobsky
                  As for the transfer of sanctions on points, I am too lazy to do this. Here is a link for you and study

                  All this is empty.
                  Quote: Mountain Shooter
                  External borrowings in financial markets were closed, which forced private companies that had borrowed Western loans to seek domestic currency.

                  I remember how in 2008 the budget allocated a lot of money to support the banking system and the oligarchy, which in turn successfully transferred the money to the offshore.
                  In the recent past, the same thing happened, but also with the fall of the ruble.
                  Quote: unsinkable
                  The second and not unimportant: ignorant liberals seated in the government

                  Who planted them there?
              3. Mountain shooter
                Mountain shooter 31 December 2016 16: 45
                +3
                The attack on the Russian economy consisted of the following areas. The first one. External borrowings in financial markets were closed, which forced private companies that had borrowed Western loans to seek domestic currency. At the same time, for some reason, oil prices collapsed (so unexpectedly by the way wassat ) This was the reason why such a large export of capital from the country was connected - the largest part of this export was repayments of loans and interest on them. True, our liberals were happy to speculate with these figures, declaring publicly that this was the export of the STEALED money, and the state did not prevent it. I had to rebuild the entire financial system of the country and reconfigure the system of currency regulation. They did it. Now, in order to actually launch lending to industry within the country, it is necessary to REDUCE INFLATION. Credit cannot be lower than inflation. Actually, according to the latest data, it turned out 5.4%. Now it is possible that next year they will lower the discount rate, followed by a decrease in interest on loans, mortgages, industrial loans.
                External investment is a double-edged sword. A foreign investor will seek to WITHDRAW profits from the country. Do we need it?
      3. unsinkable
        unsinkable 31 December 2016 14: 45
        +3
        Quote: PHANTOM-AS
        Now there will be nobody to blame and blame for the failed economic policy of the Russian leadership.

        And no one nodded at anyone. To find money for the implementation of plans in foreign policy (which is very necessary), they need to be pulled from various sectors of the economy. This is the first reason. The second and not unimportant: ignorant liberals seated in the government. While the task of improving the economy depends on the foreign policy of the president. I wish him good luck. PS All members of the forum HAPPY NEW YEAR. Health and good luck!
        1. Santa Fe
          Santa Fe 31 December 2016 22: 44
          +4
          The only reason why Russian propaganda supported Trump was to discredit US elections. Say the "bad guys" from the State Department, all sorts of bankers and the Rockefellers, conspired and cut the election of a good guy, who voted for the American people. Who was “our American friend” and is ready for anything to please the Kremlin.

          Trump's sensational win was a surprise to everyone. Domestic political continue to break comedy, some put on T-shirts with the new American president. They began to play and take everything seriously.

          Maria Katasonova, activist of NOD and Antimaydana, assistant deputy E. Fedorova
          Although nothing to rejoice. Trump is the worst thing that could happen to Putin’s entourage. Have He has nothing to do with the eternal president of the Russian Federation.

          Trump - for reducing the tax burden for business and the "middle class"
          Putin is the opposite.

          Trump - for tightening the migration policy, up to the construction of a wall on the border.

          Putin for his 16 years did not take any measures to control the situation with migrant workers. Despite the appeals of the Russians (according to polls - over 80%) for the introduction of a visa regime with the countries of Central Asia, this issue is not even discussed at the highest level.

          Trump intends to appoint General Mattis (army nickname "mad dog"), an epic Russophobe and a supporter of "tough measures", to the post of head of the Pentagon.

          For the first time in 54, the head of the Pentagon will be a regular military. A good sign for those who hoped that with the arrival of Trump, America would become our best partner. Plus, constant statements on building up nuclear capabilities and strengthening NATO (by increasing the burden on the budgets of the other participating countries - 2%)

          Putin knew how to play with the soft Clinton and Obama. But how to play with the unpredictable Trump?

          But the most unpleasant consequences for the Kremlin are threatened by Trump's promise to lift restrictions on oil production in the United States. These restrictions were introduced by the administrations of the former heads of the White House, in order to stimulate the introduction of alternative energy sources. Now with these games over.

          What threatens a sharp increase in supply in the oil market? This will bring down the price of oil. It is difficult to predict how much, but it will be a real blow to the Russian economy.

          Trump - a nightmare for the Kremlin. And he becomes a reality.
          1. Nyrobsky
            Nyrobsky 1 January 2017 02: 13
            +3
            Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
            Trump intends to appoint General Mattis (army nickname "mad dog"), an epic Russophobe and a supporter of "tough measures", to the post of head of the Pentagon.

            The central word here is APPOINT. That is, this does not exclude the word - REMOVE. The man is on a salary and depends on the employer, and therefore, his Russophobia can be adjusted. Is not it?
            Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
            For the first time in 54, the head of the Pentagon will be a regular military.

            Who, if not a military soldier, has been given the understanding of the futility of conducting military operations with an adversary of equal strength and probably superior in spirit and willingness to sacrifice, not in the name of the dollar, but in the name of the homeland? This is not a civil miracle in piNzhak, which understands the war at the level of Hollywood films. And this is not bad either - is it?
            Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
            But the most unpleasant consequences for the Kremlin are threatened by Trump’s promise to remove restrictions on oil production in the United States.

            Ospeddi .......... when the OPEC countries agreed to reduce production, with a profitability of $ 3,5-4 per barrel, some kind of shot of American shale oil, the production of which costs many times more, can be simply flooded foam - i.e. building up the same production and supplying an excessive amount of oil on the market, which again will lead mattress producing companies to close the fields in view of their loss. All this is nonsense ...... If this Obaunti bar really established good relations with GDP, then the United States could still have hegemony 10-15 years by inertia, but no, Obaunti decided to take a little bite, now let it smell itself .
            1. Santa Fe
              Santa Fe 1 January 2017 21: 45
              +2
              Quote: Nyrobsky
              The central word here is to ASSIGN. That is, this does not exclude words - REMOVE. ... his Russophobia can be corrected. Is not it?

              Why does a person who has become famous as a Russophobe, if, on the contrary, are preparing for rapprochement?

              Why appoint an accountant to the position of turner with the wording: can not cope - we will dismiss

              Quote: Nyrobsky
              Who, if not a military man, is given an understanding of the futility of conducting hostilities with an adversary of equal strength and probably superior in spirit

              Trump's conciliation position on Russia is based on weak awareness (Mattis)

              No wonder that the nickname "mad dog"
              Quote: Nyrobsky
              some kind of shot of american shale oil

              Real oil
          2. fif21
            fif21 2 January 2017 16: 12
            0
            Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
            Trump - a nightmare for the Kremlin. And he becomes a reality.

            Do not exaggerate . The United States is on the brink of descent, and Russia and China will lower them below the plinth. For some reason I believe in it laughing
    2. Ivanov17
      Ivanov17 1 January 2017 15: 14
      +1
      how would Putin report today for the accomplishments of his production and economic team, which he inherited from Yeltsin:
      “We had a tractor industry. Now it is practically gone.
      We had an aviation industry. Now it is practically gone.
      We had a machine tool industry. Now he is gone.
      We had free medicine, free education. Now they are almost gone.
      We had free housing, but now it is not.
      We had no beggars and hungry, and now there are millions of them. "
      ➡ Source: http://publizist.ru/blogs/33/16232/-
      Quote: The same Lech
      However, most of all, Putin and Trump will continue to be united by the struggle with their common adversary - world liberalism and his project of a new tower of Babel.


      Everything is so ... but how does this thesis fit in with the actions of our liberal government.
      It is no secret that in RUSSIA, the economics of the financial and oligarchic plan, even ROGOZIN, says something about the sixth technological structure there, without a developed technological base and production, this is not possible.
    3. user3970
      user3970 1 January 2017 15: 41
      +2
      People, all this is garbage! Today is KIM PHILBY'S BIRTHDAY! It is a pity that VO and its admins and moderators do not know this.
      1. fif21
        fif21 2 January 2017 16: 07
        0
        Quote: user3970
        Today is KIM PHILBY'S BIRTHDAY! It is a pity that this does not know

        Who in the subject knows. Eternal memory to the heroes of the invisible front, and a low bow to the living. soldier
  2. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 31 December 2016 07: 11
    +6
    It seems like everything is true, but is it not too early to begin to perceive Trump as the embodiment of our dream of a rapprochement of countries? Are we in a hurry, posing as wishful thinking? So it’s not long to relax, and this is not good.
    1. 34 region
      34 region 31 December 2016 09: 15
      +3
      07.11/XNUMX. Aug-instant! Is it like in a joke about dogs? You can’t relax. Relaxed have!
      1. avg-mgn
        avg-mgn 31 December 2016 10: 09
        +2
        In fact, from the time of the creation of the USSR, for 100 years, everyone has been trying to fuck us, but we are only getting stronger. Do you see steel truselas (Nasha Russia)!
    2. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 31 December 2016 14: 04
      +1
      Quote: avg-mgn
      It seems like everything is true, but is it not too early to begin to perceive Trump as the embodiment of our dream of a rapprochement of countries? Are we in a hurry, posing as wishful thinking? So it’s not long to relax, and this is not good.

      No, we are moving normally without haste. Agree that with the Obama administration we generally have nothing to talk about i.e. hopelessly.
  3. demotivator
    demotivator 31 December 2016 07: 18
    +6
    Indeed, a lot of them have in common.
    However, there is something that essentially separates them. So, recently, an old Trump interview appeared on the network regarding the American tragedy of September 11, 2016, in which Trump clearly states that the skyscrapers of the shopping center could not fall apart from an airplane strike. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEDF4U-I2xQ By the way, this shows that Trump is not just a smart person, but also a person who had the courage to speak out against everyone before - against that “everyone believes that skyscrapers destroyed by Arab terrorists. " Trump believes that 9/11 has not been properly investigated, and he plans to get to the point. “First of all, there is a lot of confusion in the 9/11 investigation, and therefore it must be reopened,” Trump said. This is to say that we have a lot of things that should be re-investigated with bias. But who will decide on this?
    1. 34 region
      34 region 31 December 2016 09: 21
      +3
      07.18. Demotivator! Trump businessman. Business involves profit. What is the benefit of trump from the investigation of the terrorist act 9.1.1.? What will he have from this? It was one thing he wanted to draw attention to himself, another thing to be president. But there are a lot of goodies from the US terrorist attack. Will Trump refuse buns? He promised to work in the interests of the United States. And the attack was carried out precisely in the interests of the United States.
  4. cap
    cap 31 December 2016 07: 37
    +5
    The Bible says that the builders of the Tower of Babel finally built Sodom and Gomorrah, and came to these cities as punishment for the corruption of their divine fire.


    Hope for God, but don’t be fooled! New Year is coming, and let there be light and not darkness!
    Happy New Year, all readers and writers of the Military Review! hi
  5. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 31 December 2016 07: 47
    +5
    Victor-Trump in power and the day was not there, no matter how we had to remember him later with an unkind word.
    1. 34 region
      34 region 31 December 2016 09: 22
      +2
      07.47. Exorcist! laughing Well yes! Like with Obama! At first it was white and fluffy, and then it turned out to hell with horns!
      1. 97110
        97110 31 December 2016 12: 54
        +2
        Quote: Region 34
        In the beginning it was white

        Yes, he was chosen because he is NOT WHITE!
    2. 0255
      0255 31 December 2016 12: 05
      +4
      Quote: Expelling Liberoids
      Victor-Trump in power and the day was not there, no matter how we had to remember him later with an unkind word.

      it means that it is beneficial for someone to consider Trump good, having read all sorts of Victor Kamenevs. It will be unprofitable - Viktor Kamenev will write that Trump is bad, that it is only he who is to blame for all our problems
      1. Victor Kamenev
        31 December 2016 13: 03
        +1
        It turns out to me profitable? Lying is not good ... you seem to judge everyone by yourself. I write about what I see, and what I think about this, here and now. Today, Trump is such a persecuted liberal media.
        1. 0255
          0255 31 December 2016 13: 21
          +3
          Quote: Victor Kamenev
          It turns out to me profitable? Lying is bad...

          Ahahahah, I am accused of lying by an "analyst" who writes the same slogans on the third Maidan (which do not come true), then about what a good Trump is (although he did not even take office) laughing
          Quote: Victor Kamenev
          you seem to judge everyone by yourself.

          I just have critical thinking, including to your slogans
          Quote: Victor Kamenev
          I write about what I see, and what I think about it, here and now. Today, Trump is one driven by liberal media.

          And I see how your slogans do not come true. Ukraine has not collapsed, Novorossia from 8 regions of Ukraine has not emerged (and in general the word "Novorossiya" is not remembered anywhere), Poroshenko has not been overthrown by the armed right-wing people since 2014 despite your promises. How do I know your promises about Trump will come true? Not worth your "analytics" negative
  6. Altona
    Altona 31 December 2016 12: 44
    +5
    Quote: Region 34
    09.21. Phantom As! And I understand that they began to fall faster by 2%. He did not say negative dynamics in the fall. Either the process slowed down, or the economy began to grow. So the fall accelerated by 2%.

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    For three years we crashed by 13%, now they are reassuring with an alleged future rise of 2%. That is, 130 rubles were taken from you, but in return they are supposed to give 20. (with official statistics) ADEQUATE REPLACEMENT? That's what Phantom-As wants to tell you, only in too complicated a language.
  7. Altona
    Altona 31 December 2016 12: 51
    +5
    Quote: Region 34
    07.18. Demotivator! Trump businessman. Business involves profit. What is the benefit of trump from the investigation of the terrorist act 9.1.1.? What will he have from this? It was one thing he wanted to draw attention to himself, another thing to be president. But there are a lot of goodies from the US terrorist attack. Will Trump refuse buns? He promised to work in the interests of the United States. And the attack was carried out precisely in the interests of the United States.

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    Trump is a businessman, but not a fool. If a person goes to work for a country, then he has something to offer this country. Buns in the form of constant wars with the threat of being drawn into a nuclear war are probably tasty, but short-lived. Because partners in the ring also cannot show politeness to such rudeness for a long time. Trump said bluntly, there is no need to go to others and teach them how to live when everything is bad at home, people are getting poorer, and the infrastructure is dilapidated. The USA is now like the USSR of the 80s. Greatness is over. Yes, we make iPhones in China, but our man in the street is in the ass and eats up the last piece of bread. In our country, there is where the strength and money to apply, and not to feed this liberal infection. That's why I respect him. He needs a country, not a stupid expansion in spite of everything like "let everyone around be our 3,14 daras, and we will manage them."
    1. sa-ag
      sa-ag 31 December 2016 13: 08
      0
      Quote: Altona
      Trump bluntly said, do not go to others and teach them how to live

      Look, how is he now going to be friends against Iran and China?
    2. 34 region
      34 region 31 December 2016 13: 11
      +2
      12.51. Altona! Trump is far from stupid. But what's the point of supporting foreign economies? After all, a foreign economy is a competitor to the United States. Type of support for the Japanese auto industry will not. Japanese auto industry, a competitor to the American. If Japan is drawn into the war, then their auto industry will not compete with the Amer. And what is the point of trump stopping the war? This is the logic of pure business. And Trump is a businessman. What is the point of losing his gain to him? Just do not need horror stories about nuclear war. What wars and how they are being fought today we all see perfectly. If you think in terms of business, then war is very beneficial in terms of removing competitors. It’s like in a war of durable goods and disposable ones. What is more profitable for business? Long-lasting or disposable?
    3. fif21
      fif21 2 January 2017 16: 03
      0
      Quote: Altona
      He needs a country, not a stupid expansion in spite of everything like "let everyone around be our 3,14 daras, and we will manage them."

      And I need Russia without Kholuy worship of the United States. The destruction of US hegemony is a worthy goal for the Russian Federation. I am for peace and equal partnership, for the rule of law and the UN. The US has no place in this formula. hi
  8. Altona
    Altona 31 December 2016 12: 55
    +3
    Quote: 0255
    it means that it is beneficial for someone to consider Trump good, having read all sorts of Victor Kamenevs. It will be unprofitable - Viktor Kamenev will write that Trump is bad, that it is only he who is to blame for all our problems

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    There are no “bad” and “good” in politics. There are those who keep the rules and those who don't. Obama is an African cannibal, albeit a lawyer by training.
  9. Victor Kamenev
    31 December 2016 12: 57
    +5
    Interestingly, all the builders of the towers of Babel come to the construction of Sodom and Gomorrah. The communist revolution in Russia also began to build Sodom, "love is like a glass of water," and only Stalin stopped red sodomy, and in 1934 adopted a provision in the Criminal Code on sodomy, up to 8 years. Unleashed repression on the sodomites. And he stopped building the red Tower of Babel. Today, globalists are building liberal Sodom, the liberal Tower of Babel ...
  10. Altona
    Altona 31 December 2016 13: 29
    +3
    Quote: Region 34
    12.51. Altona! Trump is far from stupid. But what's the point of supporting foreign economies? After all, a foreign economy is a competitor to the United States. Type of support for the Japanese auto industry will not. Japanese auto industry, a competitor to the American. If Japan is drawn into the war, then their auto industry will not compete with the Amer. And what is the point of trump stopping the war? This is the logic of pure business. And Trump is a businessman. What is the point of losing his gain to him? Just do not need horror stories about nuclear war. What wars and how they are being fought today we all see perfectly. If you think in terms of business, then war is very beneficial in terms of removing competitors. It’s like in a war of durable goods and disposable ones. What is more profitable for business? Long-lasting or disposable?

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    What I am writing about is that you can play so much in wars that you can remove yourself with a competitor. 15 rockets to the East Coast, 2 rockets to Yellowstone, and 15 rockets to the West Coast. And America is "Great Agein" only as Atlantis. What foreign economies did I talk about? The United States pushed its entire real economy into Vietnam and Bangladesh with China. They left only financial toxicosis, which they choke on.
  11. Altona
    Altona 31 December 2016 13: 30
    +1
    Quote: sa-ag
    Look, how is he now going to be friends against Iran and China?

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    Let him be friends, who will forbid him?
  12. Altona
    Altona 31 December 2016 13: 33
    +2
    Quote: Victor Kamenev
    Interestingly, all the builders of the towers of Babel come to the construction of Sodom and Gomorrah. The communist revolution in Russia also began to build Sodom, "love is like a glass of water," and only Stalin stopped red sodomy, and in 1934 adopted a provision in the Criminal Code on sodomy, up to 8 years. Unleashed repression on the sodomites. And he stopped building the red Tower of Babel. Today, globalists are building liberal Sodom, the liberal Tower of Babel ...

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    Now in Russia and the USA an interesting muin. Liberal economy and traditionalist presidents. As Putin still believes in his liberot, which is obsessed everywhere, only Shoigu with Lavrov and Rogozin (traditionalists) pull him out. He planted and gnawed all the levota-Udaltsov, Kvachkov, Limonov, Starikov. It is played with the White Guard.
    1. fif21
      fif21 2 January 2017 15: 53
      +1
      Quote: Altona
      How Putin still believes in his liberot, which is obsessed everywhere

      He himself is the main lebiroid, but smart and cautious.
      His willingness to work for the United States and Trump is outrageous. hi
    2. fif21
      fif21 2 January 2017 15: 56
      0
      Quote: Altona
      He planted and gnawed all the levota-Udaltsov, Kvachkov, Limonov, Starikov. It is played with the White Guard.

      Divide and rule! People are being pitted (on this site too) And the party of liberals lying under the USA is quietly doing its job. hi
  13. AlNikolaich
    AlNikolaich 31 December 2016 13: 56
    +3
    Greetings! I read the article, comments on it. There are some conclusions!
    The American president, there is a figure holding a vector of influence of voters! Only now, voters are not the electorate, but the powers that be. The war party leaves with Obama, other characters come, and with other interests. Neocons lost! I believe the new administration of the White House will significantly change US policy. Their goal is the growth of America economically, well, making money. Previous administrations only raised state taxes and populated cemeteries with killed American soldiers. And the benefit was only hawks from the defense.
    And the new team will conduct foreign policy differently. America will leave to itself only the necessary allies, and will send the others so that it does not spend money. Arivederchi Georgia and other labuses with Chukhons ...
    Wang, much in the new year will change, including for the better.
    1. Santa Fe
      Santa Fe 31 December 2016 23: 04
      +3
      Quote: AlNikolaich
      . The war party leaves with Obama, other characters come, and with other interests

      You would for decency even read who was appointed head of the Pentagon
      Who is General Mattis, how he relates to Russia and why the nickname "mad dog"

      Personnel soldier as head of the Pentagon - for the first time in 54 of the year
    2. fif21
      fif21 2 January 2017 15: 50
      0
      Quote: AlNikolaich
      The war party leaves with Obama, other characters come, and with other interests.

      Misconception. The war is just beginning. The war for US economic interests. The interests of the United States and the Russian Federation are incompatible. Fashington must be destroyed (at least economically) hi
  14. Peacemaker
    Peacemaker 1 January 2017 14: 05
    +1
    Well, the fact that Donald Trump is an independent businessman - a politician with extensive experience in managing large companies and the ability to establish business relations is a big plus. As far as it can be, we will see
  15. michajlo
    michajlo 1 January 2017 15: 02
    +5
    I greet in the New Year 2017 all forum users, employees of the VO site, administrators, moderators and wish you all the best!

    As for the laudatory odes and good expectations from the new US president, I personally can only say one thing:
    - so far, with bare enthusiasm and expectation of good![/ I]
    Words and obligations before and during elections, and actions after taking office are two different things.
    It’s better to prepare for the bad and the bad on the part of the United States, and if the new president treats Russia better than the old one, you can be happy and you can discuss and carry out joint actions with benefit for both countries.

    But in general, it is necessary to evaluate not words, promises, but real steps and deeds, what can be done in 6 and 12 months from taking office, in 2, 4, 6 and 8 years! Then, in the positive case of our expectations, we will rejoice, because it is possible that there will be more trouble and negativity.
    And regarding Russia, no matter how all the cheers patriots are champions in cap-making, economic and financial realities for our country so far are BAD or TRADITIONAL!
    Russia invests free money in treasury bonds of the US Federal Reserve, according to the Yeltsin’s constitution in Russia, it’s not an independent Central Bank, but just a branch of a private Jewish store of the Fed, which prints RUSSIAN MONEY, not as much as the country's economy and the development of production, agricultural, education, medicine, the army and the defense industry, and TOTAL IS ONLY SO. how many American assets of Russia are there !? After all, it’s not without reason that Mrs. Nabiulina, an employee of the world financial government (whose spouse is the rector of the HSE), is so much and constantly praised in the West ?! Why would you ask yourself a question?
    The late Primakov, when he was prime minister, in just a couple of months managed to TURN THE SITUATION in the country's economy, but he was too much a PATRIOT OF RUSSIA, so less than a year later, the "Yeltsinov family" quickly gave up on his knowledge, experience and patriotism ...
    Here is another protege of the "Yeltsinov family" (the current Guarantor Putin) turned out to be more flexible, adaptable and became "his own" for many years both for patriots and for thieves, traitors to the Motherland and plunders of state property. current and former leaders of large state corporations, oligarchs and other corrupt rot, is ready for the money and today's profit, to sell his mother, let alone the country.
    We have already written more than once that if the United States lifts its sanctions and cooperates with Russia, those in power will be to blame for the impoverishment of the general population, lack of money for business, budget, army, Ministry of Internal Affairs, FSB, military-industrial complex, science, education, medicine? The deputies of the State Duma for themselves personally by the new law of 2016 raised by 38% (I’m not sure whether the exact figure) salaries, payments and compensation, and ordinary citizens and low-income groups are barely making ends meet. These are the realities of 2014-2016.
    Here, various authors have already written on the VO website that the General Staff of the Defense Ministry is solving today and plans to solve the assigned tasks under the CONDITIONS of REDUCING the defense budget !?
    Many times here they write articles on the big financial problems of defense plants, the lack of state interest-free loans for the military-industrial complex, different reorganization and merging of different problem plants are carried out, instead of return to cost-effective for the country (but UNFAVORABLE for oligarchs and their patrons) state monopolies of large enterprises of the military-industrial complex, energy, mining of raw materials, minerals and precious metals ...
    The complete and planned destruction of Soviet education in 25 years, led to the fact that young specialists (technicians, engineers, designers) do not have enough school and university theoretical knowledge and fundamentals, in practice there is no one to teach them, and the old ones are beaten with life and know a lot from different sections, [i] the cadres are already mostly in the cemetery or retired, and only a few of them
    still work in production, in education and science.
    About new medicine, the introduction of insurance medicine and other hype, covering up the systematic and long-term collapse of Soviet medicine, there’s no need to talk.

    The supreme power of Russia aimed not to solve big geopolitical problems, to carry out construction projects of sports facilities for olympiads and world championships with an overestimated budget and theft of funds from the state budget, instead of building high quality and warm season in Russia, to regional centers, towns and villages of the country, instead of laying branches from gas pipelines to towns, villages and villages of immense Russia, and that most importantly, sell Russian gas at low prices small business, ordinary urban and rural residents, just as ordinary citizens have [i] cheap electricity and low-income low-cost about quality housing and communal services [/ i] and much more, about which the top officials of the country, judging by their real actions (not the promises of the Guarantor and its unfulfilled decrees), judged only by the income level of the inhabitant of Moscow and St. Petersburg.

    And these important problems just provide a breeding ground for future turmoil within the country (discontent among ordinary people only accumulates and intensifies), Russian authorities they can, but they don’t want to decide, without looking back at trying to negotiate on some external enemies of the country, when the development of Russia is hindered and jeopardized by highly paid manaHers (leaders) of various state corporations and public corporations,
    Central Bank management
    lack of law and mutual responsibility at all levels of government and administration
    and many different troubles and ongoing turmoil within the country.
    The above-mentioned problems and dangers by me, the highest authority can calmly and efficiently solve in 4-10 years, regardless of whether the West (financial tycoons of the West) is friends with us or is plotting.
    But if you ask yourself simple questions: And why ?, Who benefits from it ?, What will happen if? - then the answers to these questions will be given to you by PATRIOTS of the Fatherland, they’ll definitely not like it and will make you think about the calls, promises and real actions, decrees and laws of the current government.
    1. fif21
      fif21 2 January 2017 15: 45
      +2
      Quote: michajlo
      economic and financial realities for our country so far are BAD or TRADITIONAL!
      As long as the economic bloc keeps its course on dollar dominance, this will be regarded as a betrayal of the interests of the Russian Federation. Kudrin to send from the country-as amerovskoy litter. hi
  16. fif21
    fif21 2 January 2017 15: 41
    +1
    Trump - the unification of Russia and China is a threat to the United States. It follows from this that we need to strengthen relations with China. Putin needs to have the courage and knock a stool out from under the US, let them crush. How much more can you bet on a country that wants the destruction of Russia? hi
  17. alexhol
    alexhol 2 January 2017 16: 24
    0
    That's how I see how, upon the arrival of Trump, the latter is tied with a pioneer tie, he gives a "salute" and relishes kissing well ... for example, with Zyuganov. laughing
  18. habalog
    habalog 3 January 2017 10: 21
    0
    Quote: Victor Kamenev
    Combined these two names, made friends in absentia, in general, their common enemy - Hillary Clinton

    Hilary is not the enemy of Putin. Not that weight category.

    Quote: Victor Kamenev
    Many say that the whole world today is divided into two presidents, but the problems of this world are also entrusted to them. Somehow they will cope with them? ...

    1. The human world has always sought to break down into groups of interests.
    2. The problems of the world lie on the shoulders of the generators of these problems - on people.
    3. Do not cope. They are regulators. They can consolidate some groups to solve problems, control implementation. All.

    Article minus. A lot of water, expectations.
  19. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 3 January 2017 19: 41
    +1
    They are not allies. Each of them seeks to play his partner in the dark. Obama, in his narrow-mindedness or arrogance (like all Democrats), played openly. Trump, a sort of shirt-guy, will play trickier. Let's see who plays whom.