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Kharkov tractor cut for scrap

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Two workshops of the Kharkov Tractor Plant - steel and iron foundries - began to cut for scrap, a source at the enterprise told UNN.


Kharkov tractor cut for scrap


“The work is carried out all day, but the workers are not given explanations. They say that the equipment of the workshops is taken to Cherkasy region, ”the newspaper writes.

“They just destroy everything, turning it into scrap metal. They said that the next one was the workshop where the defense industry was made. There are generally machines, equipment ... Everyone has a shock ”, - said the source.

At the same time, the agency claims that previously the plant’s facilities tried to export to Russia. Oleg Deripaska, the partner of the owner of the oligarch Alexander Yaroslavsky, allegedly dealt with this. In addition, according to the agency, the control of the financial and economic activities of the plant is carried out by Russians.

Apart from Yaroslavsky, a co-owner of HTZ is also the representative of Russian Machines JSC, Siegfried Wolf.

Recall, the plant began to work in 1931. In the 80-e, it reached maximum productivity, producing up to 70-th thousand tractors per year and sending its products to 36 countries of the world. In April of this year, it became known about the dismissal of workers of the KTP to “stabilize the financial situation of the enterprise”.
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  1. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 29 December 2016 11: 38
    +44
    Hello, the Stone Age! So the ukroina began to get rid of the legacy of the "accursed past"! It's a pity, their rates are still low ...
    1. Zibelew
      Zibelew 29 December 2016 11: 44
      +26
      Quote: Exorcist Liberoids
      So ukroina began to get rid of the legacy of the "damned past"!

      True hydheness! It’s not for nothing that they burned tires! European integration, lace underpants, organs to Europe on visa-free travel and independence!
      1. Skeptic Self-Taught
        Skeptic Self-Taught 29 December 2016 11: 57
        +29
        Well, did our ancestors live by gathering? We lived, so everything is fine ... History develops in a spiral. Apparently the spiral wiggled very sharply among the horses ...
        And in conscience - sorry. To me, as a person who has been involved in metallurgy all his life, it is a pity to melt steel. Sorry for the equipment, sorry for the people ...
        However, the symptoms are strange ...
        Obama last dirty, horses, apparently, too ... they feel that everything, he krants - and dirty at the maximum speed. Apparently they decided to donate the destroyed 404 to Russia.
        1. volot-voin
          volot-voin 29 December 2016 12: 08
          +34
          Quote: Skeptic Self-taught

          And in conscience - sorry. To me, as a person who has been involved in metallurgy all his life, it is a pity to melt steel. Sorry for the equipment, sorry for the people ...

          People came under the hand. They were betrayed by Gorbaty and Yeltsin, so they ended up in another country. It’s a pity to people .... I see no reason for gloating, it was once ours, a national treasure and it was inherited by grandfathers with great difficulty.
          1. electrooleg
            electrooleg 29 December 2016 12: 32
            +17
            The difficult situation after the collapse of the USSR as a litmus test showed who is who. Tomorrow dill will begin to live in the caves and fuck with dogs. And who will not - that Muscovite! Dudes write correctly - Stone Age!
            1. cniza
              cniza 29 December 2016 12: 51
              +6
              And they will return to the "open field".
              1. electrooleg
                electrooleg 29 December 2016 14: 24
                +8
                The field was clean until it was hot. laughing
          2. Xnumx vis
            Xnumx vis 29 December 2016 14: 30
            +9
            Built by the blood and sweat of Soviet people! Destroyed by brainless, ungrateful descendants ... The degradation of the population of Ukraine .. Yes, and our Russia .. Drink hawthorn, die .. It's a shame. You need to educate your children with young nails in sobriety, and conceive on a sober head, and not drunk ..
          3. Oleg14774
            Oleg14774 29 December 2016 19: 29
            +4
            Quote: volot-voin
            x betrayed Humpbacked with Yeltsin, so they ended up in another country.

            Answer one question! And where was our security service called the KGB?
            1. alexmach
              alexmach 29 December 2016 22: 56
              +3
              In the same place as the entire Central Committee, she honestly tried to snatch her piece from the country, and by the way, in my opinion, she snatched it.
            2. Donhapa
              Donhapa 30 December 2016 06: 08
              +2
              Quote: Oleg147741
              Quote: volot-voin
              x betrayed Humpbacked with Yeltsin, so they ended up in another country.

              Answer one question! And where was our security service called the KGB?

              Quote: alexmach
              In the same place as the entire Central Committee, she honestly tried to snatch her piece from the country, and by the way, in my opinion, she snatched it.

              Just like a snatch! Yes ahead of everyone.
              Not all of them, of course, but many different levels of state security executives were good at hapanuli. But the majority of ordinary workers, operatives remained honest, then thrown out
            3. volot-voin
              volot-voin 10 January 2017 15: 00
              0
              Quote: Oleg147741
              And where was our security service called the KGB?

              Carried out the orders of high-sitting traitors or mediocrity. Remember "Three tankers - Chazov, Yazov, Pugo ....." Instead of displacing and arresting Gorby, followed by purges of traitors in the leadership, we went to him for a consultation ...
              Why didn’t the mitig of the USSR’s supporters gather, and there were far more than their opponents .. The people sat in complete ah .... e, did not know what to do ...
          4. Donhapa
            Donhapa 29 December 2016 20: 06
            +2
            Quote: volot-voin
            Quote: Skeptic Self-taught

            And in conscience - sorry. To me, as a person who has been involved in metallurgy all his life, it is a pity to melt steel. Sorry for the equipment, sorry for the people ...

            People came under the hand. They were betrayed by Gorbaty and Yeltsin, so they ended up in another country. It’s a pity to people .... I see no reason for gloating, it was once ours, a national treasure and it was inherited by grandfathers with great difficulty.

            Committee 300, led by international, usurious Zionism, performs tasks to reduce the world's population and destroy industry
          5. Mik-51
            Mik-51 3 January 2017 12: 42
            0
            But after all, it was not the grandfathers who jumped, but precisely these people whom you are so sorry .....
            Yes, it’s a pity that they have enough brains only for the everyday hatred of everything Russian, although the Russians themselves.
            This is very straightforward to me visually represents one thought that I read somewhere on the Internet, sorry - I did not record whose it is.
            But its essence is this: we managed to cut off a hand from the Russian world, this hand rotted and, with a grin, with this rotten hand they poke right in our face ...
            Very figuratively and, unfortunately, true ....
        2. Erg
          Erg 29 December 2016 16: 38
          +1
          Quote: Skeptic Self-taught
          Apparently they decided to give the destroyed 404 to Russia

          The cut goes by all "partners". As everything is divided, it will be possible to introduce the GOELRO plan, to fight illiteracy and poverty. Someone will have to work for the owners of "democracy". wassat
        3. demchuk.ig
          demchuk.ig 30 December 2016 09: 54
          +1
          Quote: Skeptic Self-taught
          And in conscience - sorry. To me, as a person who has been involved in metallurgy all his life, it is a pity to melt steel. Sorry for the equipment, sorry for the people ...

          And I am sorry for the common people, although they are my hats. But Donbas said that I will not hide their hut!
      2. DenZ
        DenZ 29 December 2016 13: 52
        +9
        You don’t need so many emotions, you need to think to whom it is beneficial (to destroy the KhTZ) and here you can clearly see either the desire of Ukraine to drag the plant to zapadents (to Cherkasy region away from the troubled Kharkiv region) Or the desire of the uncles to completely bury the KhTZ because of the puddle.
        1. Orionvit
          Orionvit 29 December 2016 14: 35
          +7
          and here either Ukraine’s desire to drag the plant to zapadents is clearly visible
          I said for a long time that a second sun would sooner rise in Ukraine than they would build a new plant. Or even the old one will be transported. You have noticed that the plant is being cut in Ukraine, and the arrows are already being transferred to Russia. The culprit is "found".
        2. Donhapa
          Donhapa 29 December 2016 20: 09
          +2
          Quote: DenZ
          You don’t need so many emotions, you need to think to whom it is beneficial (to destroy the KhTZ) and here you can clearly see either the desire of Ukraine to drag the plant to zapadents (to Cherkasy region away from the troubled Kharkiv region) Or the desire of the uncles to completely bury the KhTZ because of the puddle.

          It is beneficial to those who destroyed and destroyed industry in our country ...
    2. Vladimir 38
      Vladimir 38 29 December 2016 11: 45
      +8
      It’s their trepidation, zrad and the like .. The pace they have in my opinion is already Stakhanov
      1. PHANTOM-AS
        PHANTOM-AS 29 December 2016 11: 54
        +57
        It should be noted that we are much ahead of hohlodonts, including cutting scrap plants.
        ZIL, AZLK, the Moscow Order of Lenin, the Order of the October Revolution and the Order of the Red Banner of Labor Hammer and Sickle Metallurgical Plant, etc., and listing the pages nationwide is not enough. So kakly go off the beaten track.
        1. Severomor
          Severomor 29 December 2016 12: 25
          +11
          Quote: PHANTOM-AS
          ... we are much ahead of hohlodonts, including cutting scrap plants. ZIL, AZLK, ......

          This is not to be taken away from us)))) And if there is even a Renault sign on the AZLK, then ZIL is a shame. Just yesterday I thought about it when I was driving along the third ring. A sea of ​​fire and advertising, a shopping center (where would it be without it) VTBaren (I like hockey, but) ... there is everything, there is no production
          1. Winnie76
            Winnie76 29 December 2016 13: 31
            +12
            Quote: PHANTOM-AS
            ZIL, AZLK, the Moscow Order of Lenin, the Order of the October Revolution and the Order of the Red Banner of Labor Hammer and Sickle Metallurgical Plant, etc., and listing the pages nationwide is not enough.

            And what good did these car plants produce? Muscovites, Zily? What their people did not buy, do not remind. The initial attitude to customers as idiots, such as sold and motorists let themselves bring this tin can to mind. Moreover, export options were sold abroad (for white people), but inside the country with loose nuts it will do. And when did their airbags appear when the ACCP?
            Summarizing, stupidly could not stand the competition. Grave diggers of the Russian people. Died and to hell with them.
            1. Skeptic Self-Taught
              Skeptic Self-Taught 29 December 2016 13: 54
              +10
              Vinnie, you want to write a big, long answer. Then he thought - you won’t understand, but I’ll waste my time.
              Therefore, I will answer briefly, in two words: "d, b" (c) Lavrov.
              Go and improve your educational level, and, among other things, try to talk with business leaders, not with officialdom, but with a glass of tea on competition issues. You will discover a lot of new things for yourself.
              1. Kostya Andreev
                Kostya Andreev 29 December 2016 14: 06
                +10
                You, my friend, will apply these words of Lavrov to yourself because it is possible to insult a person, making yourself the bearer of some secret information obtained with a glass of tea in conversation with someone without telling about it, this is the first sign of Lavrov’s words.
                You could not give arguments for which they need to be kept, and what production of what level they let out.
                1. Skeptic Self-Taught
                  Skeptic Self-Taught 29 December 2016 16: 03
                  +10
                  Kostya Andreev.
                  You made me angry, you made me very angry. Therefore, if I switch to "you" somewhere, excuse me ...
                  So. Recently, no, no, yes, and there is information that "Toyota has recalled XXX thousand models", "Opel has recalled XXX models" due to various problems.
                  Why does it never occur to anyone in Japan and Germany to demolish a Toyota and Oppel plant for such a mother? Didn't ask yourself this question?
                  So why are quality problems resolved by liquidating an enterprise? This is the first moment.
                  Second.
                  And what does Moscow actually produce, besides tons of garbage? Where do people work? Why are industrial enterprises that are already barely able to close their souls in the body? What to do with the workers? Sent from Moscow? So they have families here, children. And it is far from a fact that they will not live in a trailer in a new place.
                  The third point. Have you ever worked in industrial production? In managerial positions? I doubt it very much. And your opinion, it is as if everyone imagines himself a strategist, seeing the battle from the side. There is another option: in words you are Leo Tolstoy - then you yourself know.
                  And finally.
                  If you have to explain these ELEMENTARY things, then, excuse me, you are DB (s) Lavrov.
                  I am taking my leave for the sim.
                  PS Learn, as the great Lenin bequeathed, there is no superfluous knowledge.
                  1. Vladimir 38
                    Vladimir 38 29 December 2016 16: 25
                    +4
                    In this matter, it will be true that a plant that cannot compete with its products on the market, in market conditions, is going to scrap metal, there simply is no one to keep it. Since the product is not for sale, RFP does not pay anything and so on. And the state had no money for support at that time. Therefore, to compare with Opel, Tayota and others like them is not correct. And to squeeze a glass and managerial positions having experience in the Soviet automobile industry is very funny.
                    1. Skeptic Self-Taught
                      Skeptic Self-Taught 29 December 2016 16: 33
                      +7
                      Vladimir38 ...
                      You heard a ring, but you don’t know where it is ...
                      Let's start again in order.
                      I remember at the end of perestroika a lot of press talk was on the topic that TU aircraft have very noisy engines, and therefore they can’t fly in Europe. The result. Now TU planes have actually died. And their only drawback was that the same Boeing and Airbus were a little more comfortable than the TU. This is if in fact.
                      And not in fact - two airlines ousted a competitor and practically destroyed production. But it is not customary to pay attention to the latter, hiding behind “words about the market”.
                      The same picture is in the arms market.
                      And talking about support money is correct. If you are a statesman, not a temporary grabber. You always need to think ahead.
                      And finally. Market economy - it operates only at the market and at the level of small business. Think for yourself why. Tired of chewing basic things. Read the literature - there is a lot of it in the internet right now.
                      And most importantly - yourself, do it yourself.
                      1. Vladimir 38
                        Vladimir 38 29 December 2016 16: 52
                        +5
                        Yes, it’s obvious you don’t even hear the ringing. You do not understand that our car industry lagged behind in those days by 20 years from foreign competitors and in order to reduce the backlog, you need to completely change the equipment, the technological process, train personnel and. td And these are huge funds, which the state did not have. Yes, and if they had not been invested. Because such managers were at the helm. Who talked over a glass about prospects and did nothing more, well, they dragged everything they could from the factory. We have kept the Tolyatti plant, only because the products were in demand, to this day they invest a lot of money and only, machines began to appear vaguely reminiscent of Western counterparts. (20 years have passed) Therefore, what you are talking about was not realistic to do in those days. And if you go into reasoning and daydreaming, then you are right. But I am for realism.
                  2. Kostya Andreev
                    Kostya Andreev 29 December 2016 17: 04
                    +6
                    My dear unlearned self-taught, it’s good for you to expand your knowledge, and, for example, bring Detroit for consideration, which is closed and no one rescues him, or ruined and closed industries in the west. they don’t make a tragedy out of it, business is business.
                    Regarding Opel, Tayot and so on, I explain to you why they are not being demolished, these are private companies, and if they make poor products they will be dragged to the courts (Volkswagen with a diesel gate) and closed. enterprises, money there, but the result will be? and where to get them? For example, you can save some kind of enterprise. Buy and investing money in it to develop it, but if you consider that the game is not worth the candle, you will not get involved.
                    This is the first moment.
                    Second, what should Moscow produce? Tell me the capital of the world that meets your production requirements, what would you compare with?
                    third point. No, it didn’t work, but I do not believe it, I am familiar with industrial production from different sides, (even for bribes I agreed to purchase goods from the company where I worked). and a very close person in general worked in the chief accountant. Yes, and there are managers as acquaintances. So the battle is not from the side I see. Therefore, you can send words about the writer Tolstoy Leo to you, because you do not own the topic!
                    and finally. I don’t know that for you the ELEMENTARY things that you are trying to explain to me, if what you wrote is simply nonsense, a person who, to put it mildly, is very far from management and entrepreneurship. so it’s a question to whom should Lavrov’s words be addressed. most likely to you. because argue without having an idea about the subject of the dispute.
                    PS All the same, I think it is better to contact your opponent for you, by this you show your level of development, and as one clever person said, "The politeness of the city takes." I do not accept the statements "politeness is the best weapon of a thief."
                    Although to whom I wrote this, you are led to get such information for a glass of tea where I can.
                    I’m repeating the question: could you give arguments for which they need to be preserved, and what products of what level they produced.
              2. Winnie76
                Winnie76 29 December 2016 14: 30
                +9
                Quote: Skeptic Self-taught
                Go and improve your educational level,

                Thank you Self-taught for the kind words. The fact is that I had to ride a VAZ 2105, and then I moved to the "shameful" Renault Symbol. So, I will never forget my feelings from disassembling a fucking carburetor in 20 degrees below zero. And a screeching stove and a spare distributor cover and a toolbox in the trunk. And after all this, the "shameful" Renault Symbol was like a spaceship. It turns out that you do not need to press on the brake with all the foolishness, the steering wheel can be twisted with two fingers, and the gear can not be stuck in, but included.
                So cram your glass into your bikini zone
                1. Severomor
                  Severomor 29 December 2016 15: 16
                  +4
                  Quote: Winnie76
                  I had to ride a VAZ 2105

                  Quote: Winnie76
                  And what good did these car plants produce? Muscovites, Zily?

                  Here you confuse the frankly shitty products of factories with the very capacities of these enterprises. Any of these plants could be city-forming for the regional center (kraynyak - district).
                  Example: Former Lyubertsy Agricultural Machine Building Plant named after Ukhtomsky is a former city-forming enterprise. Produced appropriate products, including for export. Now - warehouses, warehouses, warehouses .....
                  What am I doing? What prevents them from producing good products at these facilities?
                  But this is a completely different story.
                  Threat Again touched only the automotive industry
                  1. Vadim237
                    Vadim237 29 December 2016 21: 19
                    0
                    What prevents them from producing good products at these facilities? - Lack of sales markets and lack of investment in production - they will only invest 95% worn out in capacities
                2. PHANTOM-AS
                  PHANTOM-AS 29 December 2016 18: 34
                  +8
                  Quote: Vladimir 38
                  . You do not understand that our car industry was behind, in those days, by 20 years from foreign competitors

                  Mdyayaya, only one exerdd, damn it.
                  You would have to go to the AZLK or ZIL museum and you would see who was behind whom.
                  Quote: Winnie76
                  when did their airbags appear when the automatic transmission?

                  Another engineer sad
                  Automatic transmission on ZIL cars appeared (ZIS) The first domestic “automatic” appeared in November 1958 on a ZIL-111 top-class limousine. An automatic hydromechanical transmission was installed on this car. This project was led by designer Andrei Nikolaevich Ostrovtsev. Prototypes were created at the beginning of 1956 (ZIS-111 "Moscow")
                  Quote: Vladimir 38
                  And the state had no money for support at that time.

                  Yes lope you here? angry
                  Volodya number 38, something bends.
                  Then when is it?
                  The ZIL plant began to fall apart at the GDP, when rain poured from oil tanks onto the country.
                  But the management4 doesn’t need domestic production, because the people will pay them out of their own pocket for the Maybachs from the Pullman.
                  And I ask you
                  why does the president of the Russian Federation drive a Mercedesand not on ZIL?
                  And it doesn’t hurt anyone? And isn’t the president ashamed? Well, you are overwhelmed with false patriotism, if we break everything.
                  And here is the second question
                  Who was prevented by the First Moscow Watch Factory - the first state watch factory, founded in 1930? AND?
                  In 2005, with the sale of technologies and equipment for the production of mechanism 3133 to the side, a period was set in the history of the enterprise.
                  It is clear to the president that his press secretary, Gundyaev and other first-class women, the Swiss will do watches, at the price of a couple of kindergartens.
                  and we are not proud in Chaynovsky resemble. True, Volodya No. 38? angry

                  So there is no need to "rattle" about factories and their poor quality products.
                  Do not anger or make people laugh with your illiteracy and proudly ride your "Logan" in the direction you know.
                  .
                  1. Vadim237
                    Vadim237 29 December 2016 21: 31
                    +1
                    The ZIL plant began to fall apart at GDP, when rain poured from oil tanks on the country. This plant got another 90, and then turned bankrupt - due to the lack of orders not only from the state, but also private owners, and everything came to the point that the city was no longer needed, bankrupt enterprise - instead of it they will make parks, offices, houses, parking lots, playgrounds, etc., but first they will clean the territory - the dirtiest in Moscow, ZIL has fulfilled its function. ZIL can rest - there are no eternal factories.
                  2. Donhapa
                    Donhapa 30 December 2016 06: 25
                    +3
                    Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                    Others


                    Our bearing plants too
              3. KaPToC
                KaPToC 29 December 2016 17: 21
                +1
                Why don’t you ride Muscovite? You, too, d, not understanding the advantages of the Soviet automobile industry?
                1. PHANTOM-AS
                  PHANTOM-AS 29 December 2016 18: 44
                  +3
                  Quote: KaPToC
                  Why don’t you ride Muscovite? You, too, d, not understanding the advantages of the Soviet automobile industry?

                  How tired I am of such highs. Stink and blown away, the last bunch in the native swamp?
                  "Volga" 24-ka 500 thousand taxi drivers went to the first overhaul!
                  And the 21st went even in diesel fuel, it is clear that in emergency cases.
                  "Smells" of ours can still be found in geyrope.
                  And "Moskvich-408-412" became the cars of the year in its class.

                  These are arguments, and you are a balabol. negative
                  1. igor67
                    igor67 29 December 2016 21: 57
                    0
                    Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                    Quote: KaPToC
                    Why don’t you ride Muscovite? You, too, d, not understanding the advantages of the Soviet automobile industry?

                    How tired I am of such highs. Stink and blown away, the last bunch in the native swamp?
                    "Volga" 24-ka 500 thousand taxi drivers went to the first overhaul!
                    And the 21st went even in diesel fuel, it is clear that in emergency cases.
                    "Smells" of ours can still be found in geyrope.
                    And "Moskvich-408-412" became the cars of the year in its class.

                    These are arguments, and you are a balabol. negative

                    408 is a normal car, I had a Moskvich 408,76 years, but 412 bullshit, the head went away, the camshaft problem, the distributor below, a good puddle and the car were dead, wrapped with bags, and where is the oil filter? When the volume of the engine is 1500 cubic meters, it’s heavy, and the suspension should be repaired,
                    1. BecmepH
                      BecmepH 30 December 2016 07: 33
                      +1
                      When the volume of the engine is 1500 cubic meters, it’s heavy, and the suspension should be repaired,
                      So this is for the Germans (BMW) questions))) The engine is then their development
                  2. KaPToC
                    KaPToC 30 December 2016 00: 11
                    0
                    Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                    "Volga" 24-ka 500 thousand taxi drivers went to the first overhaul!

                    Japanese and German engines have a resource of a million kilometers.
                    Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                    And "Moskvich-408-412" became the cars of the year in its class.

                    Yeah, in his own country, at his factory.
                    Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                    These are arguments, and you are a balabol.

                    And you are a malicious violator of the rules of the site.
                    1. svp67
                      svp67 30 December 2016 00: 16
                      +2
                      Quote: KaPToC
                      Japanese and German engines have a resource of a million kilometers.

                      Alas, but had. On modern motor resources it is CONSCIOUSLY reduced, otherwise the car industry cannot survive now. Sales are growing weakly.
                      Quote: KaPToC
                      Yeah, in his own country, at his factory.

                      But why?
                      For example, Moskvich-408 became the best-selling car in Finland in 1965, 1966, 1968!

            2. Donhapa
              Donhapa 30 December 2016 06: 20
              +4
              Quote: Winnie76
              Quote: PHANTOM-AS
              ZIL, AZLK, the Moscow Order of Lenin, the Order of the October Revolution and the Order of the Red Banner of Labor Hammer and Sickle Metallurgical Plant, etc., and listing the pages nationwide is not enough.

              And what good did these car plants produce? Muscovites, Zily? What their people did not buy, do not remind. The initial attitude to customers as idiots, such as sold and motorists let themselves bring this tin can to mind. Moreover, export options were sold abroad (for white people), but inside the country with loose nuts it will do. And when did their airbags appear when the ACCP?
              Summarizing, stupidly could not stand the competition. Grave diggers of the Russian people. Died and to hell with them.

              Good or bad but own production was!
              It was not necessary to destroy it with millions of jobs across the country, but to modernize it.

              And as for the grave diggers of the Russian people, you are probably talking about Trotsky, Sverdlov, Tukhachevsky, Zalkind and other bloody Zionists. Right?
            3. BecmepH
              BecmepH 30 December 2016 07: 19
              +2
              and motorists let themselves bring this tin can to mind.
              It is foolish and useless to argue about the quality of cars. But ... Pay attention to which cars are dragged more on tow trucks ... Something I did not see domestic cars traveling on a hump. Well, except for accidents ..
        2. Alex 2016
          Alex 2016 29 December 2016 12: 25
          +8
          I completely agree with you. You do not have to go far for examples. In our city there was a UAMZ (ZIL branch) completely independent enterprise. Its design bureau, a full production cycle! Now ... now there is nothing all that they could steal, they stole, that they could, they sold. Everything else is scrap.
          1. Hariton laptev
            Hariton laptev 29 December 2016 13: 10
            +4
            Well, what can I say if the whole country was told "why do we need production. We will bring everything we need from abroad."
        3. lis-ik
          lis-ik 29 December 2016 12: 50
          +3
          Quote: PHANTOM-AS
          It should be noted that we are much ahead of hohlodonts, including cutting scrap plants.
          ZIL, AZLK, the Moscow Order of Lenin, the Order of the October Revolution and the Order of the Red Banner of Labor Hammer and Sickle Metallurgical Plant, etc., and listing the pages nationwide is not enough. So kakly go off the beaten track.

          I will add only Moscow. The flagships of the machine-tool industry are the Ordzhonikidze plant and the Red Proletarian, but the latter is a disaster. In the era of the late USSR, a complete machine shop was built, with robots, etc., now everything has been leased for a long time. And according to "Hammer and Sickle", it was planned to take it out of the city even during the union, all the same it is a casting.
      2. DanSabaka
        DanSabaka 29 December 2016 12: 13
        +4
        yes, this is a strategy of peremogi ... there will be no industry in Kharkiv, perhaps Kharkiv will not be needed by "damned masks" ... well, with other cities and villages, the same strategy ...
      3. Donhapa
        Donhapa 30 December 2016 06: 11
        +1
        Quote: Vladimir 38
        It’s their trepidation, zrad and the like .. The pace they have in my opinion is already Stakhanov


        Nobody compares with our rates and volumes for the destruction of industry ...
    3. bouncyhunter
      bouncyhunter 29 December 2016 11: 47
      +11
      Oh ... Svidomosaurs with decommunization finally flew off the coils! Although, you do not have to expect anything else from them ...
      1. cniza
        cniza 29 December 2016 12: 53
        +7
        There were so many examples in Eastern Europe, but you have to go around a rake, for the sake of the owner.
    4. 210ox
      210ox 29 December 2016 11: 56
      +3
      We drove (galloped), had fun .. Counted, wept
      b .. crying
      Quote: Expelling Liberoids
      Hello, the Stone Age! So the ukroina began to get rid of the legacy of the "accursed past"! It's a pity, their rates are still low ...
    5. Finches
      Finches 29 December 2016 12: 04
      +5
      Raguli seized power in consequence of their Seljuk consciousness definitely know the true value of HTZ ...., in the form of scrap metal! The money will be right now, which means a ram flyer and many, many gorilki ... laughing
      1. antivirus
        antivirus 29 December 2016 12: 10
        +4
        if the foundry has developed its own (25-30 years), only scrap.
        But will there be a new one? this is to Turchinov
      2. bouncyhunter
        bouncyhunter 29 December 2016 12: 20
        +7
        Hi Zhenya ! drinks hi
        many, many gorilki ...

        And you forget about fat? lol
        1. Finches
          Finches 29 December 2016 15: 30
          +1
          Hello Pasha! drinks

          Accurately forgot: "The difference between a Ukrainian and a Ukrainian:
          - A Ukrainian writes the word "Ukraine" with a capital letter. The crest with a capital letter writes the word "Salo".
          - The Ukrainian lives in Ukraine, and the Ukrainian lives where it is better. "
          laughing
    6. Franciscan
      Franciscan 29 December 2016 12: 25
      +8
      With equal enthusiasm, Russians are cutting their plants. On YouTube, it is full of vidos as rising from its knees lets everything that can be scrapped.
      1. Winnie76
        Winnie76 29 December 2016 13: 37
        +3
        Quote: Franciscan
        With equal enthusiasm, Russians are cutting their plants.

        Now it’s easier and cheaper to build a new plant in a clean field in half a year than to upgrade an old one. Well, people need 10 times less in production ...
      2. DenZ
        DenZ 29 December 2016 13: 46
        +2
        Quote: Franciscan
        On YouTube, it is full of vidos as rising from its knees lets everything that can be scrapped.

        You correctly write, "all that is possible." What is not allowed (read it is not out of date, has not worked out its resource), then we do not cut it. wink
    7. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 29 December 2016 12: 39
      +3
      Quote: Exorcist Liberoids
      , their pace is still low ...

      Well, judging by the message, it is with us so far the pace is low. (Deripaska, Yaroslavsky)
      1. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 29 December 2016 13: 00
        +5
        And so, in the subject: Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin before the operational meeting of the College of the military-industrial complex handed Russian passports to the Ukrainian defense scientist Igor Gashenenko and his wife Lyudmila. On Thursday, December 29, according to Interfax. Lenta.ru 12: 29
    8. serkhan
      serkhan 29 December 2016 12: 44
      +4
      It’s a pity, their pace is still low ...

      look a little beyond the "horizon". Only a Western partner can rejoice at this. West chtoli will restore workshops, factories ?! Funny ...
      1. DenZ
        DenZ 29 December 2016 13: 49
        0
        I think that machines and stuff are taken out (to Cherkasy region) stupidly because they are afraid that Novorossia (and how they think Russia) would not be captured by this enterprise). In principle, from the side of dill it is quite understandable and even logical.
    9. vovanpain
      vovanpain 29 December 2016 13: 09
      +8
      Quote: Exorcist Liberoids
      Hello Stone Age

      Yes, it’s more likely here. We recall the Russian 90s, the feeling is that the junta gathered to drape from Kharkov, so they leave behind the scorched earth. belay
    10. Sidel45
      Sidel45 29 December 2016 13: 44
      +9
      It’s a pity, their pace is still low ...

      Yes, the rate of collapse is very low. Whether it was the case with us at one time - on the most accurate equipment, aluminum pots, pans and other nonsense necessary in the household were produced, we have a huge aircraft plant in Saratov, which produced the famous Yak-s, including the Yak-40 and Yak-42, They have torn apart to smithereens and are now building residential houses and all kinds of shopping centers on its territory. In my native Balashov, the largest raincoat fabric factory in the USSR went bankrupt, and the equipment was sold for scrap, but the former general director became an oligarch of the local spill. Now, however, half of the plant is funded by the state, i.e. for ours, they launched, and in the second half some moneybag set up a shopping and entertainment center - this is more important. In the same place, the machine-building plant, which produced machine-tractor trailers for the whole country and abroad, warehouse carts for operational-tactical missiles and many other things, was completely destroyed, and the entire territory was built up with shops. You can continue to enumerate, but time is a pity. But all these enterprises were city-forming and thousands of workers and their families fed on them. Therefore, fellow commentators, before mocking Ukraine, isn't it better to look in the mirror? We have now started some body movements in the industry, but we still live at the expense of oil, gas, round timber and other raw materials, and our best in the world, in the opinion of the West, the central banker has all the "extra" money not ours industry lends at low interest rates, and sends to American money-boxes, i.e. works to develop the economy of the same United States, and not his own country. So that's it. And you can vilify anyone. It's easy and simple, especially when it's a speck in someone else's eye.
      1. megavolt823
        megavolt823 29 December 2016 14: 54
        +1
        On the one hand, I share the opinion of everyone. but? I will not include nostradamus, but just refer to the story. no matter how we later had to re-build all these plants. there will be humor. hi
    11. Maxom75
      Maxom75 29 December 2016 15: 31
      0
      The de-industrialization process is in full swing. The agricultural sector of the first redistribution will remain and Ukraine will turn into today's Moldova. Zero industry, debt burden and huge flows of cheap white slaves in western Europe. EU "dreams come true"!))
    12. Donhapa
      Donhapa 29 December 2016 19: 33
      +2
      Quote: Expelling Liberoids
      Hello, the Stone Age! So the ukroina began to get rid of the legacy of the "accursed past"! It's a pity, their rates are still low ...

      Uh-huh.
      Back in the 90s, we destroyed our own with such a furious speed,
      And in the 2000s, the remaining state enterprises finished off
    13. Sergey-8848
      Sergey-8848 30 December 2016 14: 57
      0
      As the article says sweetly, the representative of JSC Russian Machines Siegfried Wolf. He surely represents Russian cars, nothing more.
    14. bald
      bald 31 December 2016 17: 41
      0
      that sex in Ukraine they are completely shit --- sold out --- scum ----- worse ---- soft --- said
  2. Zibelew
    Zibelew 29 December 2016 11: 38
    +10
    Here it is decommunization ... That's right. And it was necessary to start this good event three years ago. We are waiting for the gas pipeline, alien to the Ukrainian mentality, to be cut into scrap metal.
    1. Kondratko
      Kondratko 29 December 2016 11: 49
      +3
      "We are waiting for when they start cutting"
      It seems that in 2019 their hands will finally be untied. )
      We also went through this, however, metallurgy was not particularly affected by utilization, it was lucky, but how many other industries were killed ...
  3. ism_ek
    ism_ek 29 December 2016 11: 43
    +16
    In Russia, a long time ago, most of the flagships of Soviet engineering were cut into scrap metal
    1. Semurg
      Semurg 29 December 2016 11: 45
      +10
      Quote: ism_ek
      In Russia, a long time ago, most of the flagships of Soviet engineering were cut into scrap metal

      Judging by the article and on the HTZ, the owners are Russians.
      1. Zibelew
        Zibelew 29 December 2016 11: 51
        +8
        Quote: Semurg
        Judging by the article and on the HTZ, the owners are Russians.

        The phrase "In addition to Yaroslavsky, the representative of JSC Russian Machines, Siegfried Wolf, is also called the owner of the KhTZ" confirms that Hitler's plans were fully realized.
        1. Lelek
          Lelek 29 December 2016 12: 26
          +1
          Quote: Zibelew
          Hitler’s plans were fully realized.


          Not completely, but somewhere near. The slogan "let's turn the machines into swords" in action.
      2. avt
        avt 29 December 2016 12: 23
        +2
        Quote: Semurg
        Judging by the article and on the HTZ, the owners are Russians.

        Judging by the comments - the Russians are implementing the "Shatun" plan by means of the type of destruction of KhTZ ??
      3. Donhapa
        Donhapa 29 December 2016 19: 49
        +1
        Quote: Semurg
        Quote: ism_ek
        In Russia, a long time ago, most of the flagships of Soviet engineering were cut into scrap metal

        Judging by the article and on the HTZ, the owners are Russians.

        Well, of course! "Russians". Everything is like the selection of a God-chosen breed ...
      4. Donhapa
        Donhapa 30 December 2016 06: 38
        +1
        Quote: Semurg
        Quote: ism_ek
        In Russia, a long time ago, most of the flagships of Soviet engineering were cut into scrap metal

        Judging by the article and on the HTZ, the owners are Russians.

        Well, of course, "Russians", and then how! Moreover, the indigenous ones)) Judging by the Kalomoisky and others, all the "paces"
    2. OLD FART
      OLD FART 29 December 2016 19: 43
      0
      Quote: ism_ek
      In Russia, a long time ago, most of the flagships of Soviet engineering were cut into scrap metal

      Glory to Gorbachev, glory to Yeltsin ... But the developments and drawings still managed to hide in the tables of the Khrushchevs (our designers and engineers even starving in the "dashing" 90s ...))) Thank them very much and deep bow ... hi On such Russia is holding on and will continue to grow stronger!
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 29 December 2016 19: 50
        +2
        Quote: STARPER
        .And the developments and drawings still managed to hide in the tables of the Khrushchevs (our designers and engineers even starving in the "dashing" 90s ...)))

        Hid a lot? And what exactly?
        1. OLD FART
          OLD FART 29 December 2016 20: 09
          0
          Quote: mordvin xnumx
          Quote: STARPER
          .And the developments and drawings still managed to hide in the tables of the Khrushchevs (our designers and engineers even starving in the "dashing" 90s ...)))

          Hid a lot? And what exactly?

          Weird question...? Just read the site for the last 3 years .. All of this from "nothing is created" .. just out of nowhere! hi
          But your malice is understandable ... good
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 29 December 2016 20: 40
            +3
            The head of the technical bureau of the Omsk defense plant was trading in the secrets of the "Black Eagle" with might and main, one painfully clever prohvessor tried to sell blueprints for the "Shkval" torpedo. Some hide, others steal.
            1. OLD FART
              OLD FART 29 December 2016 21: 01
              +1
              Quote: mordvin xnumx
              The head of the technical bureau of the Omsk defense plant was trading in the secrets of the "Black Eagle" with might and main, one painfully clever prohvessor tried to sell blueprints for the "Shkval" torpedo. Some hide, others steal.

              So what? You think all of these were and are .... You, obviously a professor, are a student and I don’t want to communicate with you (this nagging has already bothered me) .. negative
  4. Alexander 3
    Alexander 3 29 December 2016 11: 45
    +4
    Europe does not need competitors.
    1. avt
      avt 29 December 2016 12: 29
      +2
      Quote: Alexander 3
      Europe does not need competitors.

      And the Chinese just need metal. Actually, everything is expected and even here during the Maidan it was expressed to opponents on the Ruin, then he fell in love with us who wrote that we don’t understand anything about arched hydism and a lot of eurointegration.
      Quote: Fisman
      Well and (x ....) the jester with them!
      1. Boris Sorokin
        Boris Sorokin 29 December 2016 12: 54
        +1
        The Chinese are now decommissioning excess steel production capacities of 160 million tons per year.
        1. avt
          avt 29 December 2016 13: 35
          +1
          Quote: Boris Sorokin
          The Chinese are now decommissioned excess capacity

          But scrap is an excellent recyclable material - you don’t have to bother with ore processing, so they buy it all with a bang, and even at bargain prices, it’s a complete profit.
  5. Fisman
    Fisman 29 December 2016 11: 46
    +2
    Well and (x ....) the jester with them!
  6. Altona
    Altona 29 December 2016 11: 48
    +7
    Dimming the light is always easier than lighting it. In general, they deprive people of the economic foundation.
    1. 210ox
      210ox 29 December 2016 12: 00
      +4
      I’m not gloating. But it was somehow on the drum .. What and how there ..
  7. Landing Station6
    Landing Station6 29 December 2016 11: 48
    +10
    I think this is directed against Russia, they do not want to leave the plant whole to the Kharkov Republic.
  8. Lutoyar
    Lutoyar 29 December 2016 11: 53
    +3
    Here she is! And this damned legacy of a totalitarian scoop is not necessary. Now the Ruin is a great agrarian power, after all. Only for some reason nobody knows about it except them.
  9. Not served
    Not served 29 December 2016 11: 55
    +6
    Quote: Airborne6
    I think this is directed against Russia, they do not want to leave the plant whole to the Kharkov Republic.

    Well, it seems to me, too, if this was not the beginning of the drain of the Kharkov region and Kharkov.
  10. aszzz888
    aszzz888 29 December 2016 11: 57
    +2
    So ukrokakliky got to this plant. Well, walk the flaw! laughing
  11. Tolik_74
    Tolik_74 29 December 2016 11: 57
    +8
    Better used cut into melololom
    1. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 29 December 2016 12: 00
      +9
      Quote: Tolik_74
      Better used cut into melololom

      Maybe you mean Roshen? fool
  12. wandlitz
    wandlitz 29 December 2016 12: 00
    +7
    So it is everywhere, where market "laws" of economic management prevail ...
    How many plants in Russia were destroyed by various Deripaska, Anton Bakov and other optimizers ....
    It does not matter where it is done in Russia or in another CIS country. It is a pity that the results of the work of previous generations are being destroyed ...
  13. antivirus
    antivirus 29 December 2016 12: 03
    0
    Ukrainians tourniquet - zer gut (in Mayakovsky)
    clean one competitor. Who will take his place? and in Lozova cut?
  14. Nitarius
    Nitarius 29 December 2016 12: 05
    +3
    a pity ... If it turns out to snatch my mother to Russia ... only joy in my soul will be ... such a production "RUN" it will be something
    1. Franciscan
      Franciscan 29 December 2016 12: 26
      +2
      You cut a bunch of your tractor plants. fuck you another one?
      1. KaPToC
        KaPToC 29 December 2016 17: 31
        0
        We don’t eat, even bite.
  15. Irbenwolf
    Irbenwolf 29 December 2016 12: 07
    +4
    Don't cry, because "they are not our brothers". Fewer factories - fewer competitors. What are you saying? Have you cut your own people without counting? ... Well, this is an old "(not?) Brotherly" anecdote about a neighbor whose cow dies.
  16. pvv113
    pvv113 29 December 2016 12: 09
    +7
    After Ukraine launched Long-Range Aircraft under the guillotine, I am no longer surprised at anything hi
    1. rasputin17
      rasputin17 29 December 2016 18: 34
      +1
      Quote: pvv113
      After Ukraine launched Long-Range Aircraft under the guillotine, I am no longer surprised at anything hi

      And how many unfinished ships were sold for metal to the Turks and the Chinese !!! China bought an aircraft carrier brought it to mind, called it "Liaoying" and laughs at the fat eaters !!!
      1. pvv113
        pvv113 29 December 2016 20: 40
        +2
        What else do you want from dill?
        1. rasputin17
          rasputin17 29 December 2016 20: 44
          +1
          Quote: pvv113
          What else do you want from dill?


          And what can they offer besides analyzes! ?? laughing
          1. pvv113
            pvv113 30 December 2016 01: 09
            +2
            And they, from greed, will not give even analyzes to anyone. wink
  17. askort154
    askort154 29 December 2016 12: 11
    +3
    The ship "USSR" sank, allied boats scattered, each of them rowing not knowing where, just to be saved. In the Ukrainian boat, they are taking a bite of the last bag of apples.
  18. K-50
    K-50 29 December 2016 12: 15
    +7
    It looks like the Nazis, who retreating behind them all broke. So apparently the dill also want to leave the ruins of the country after fleeing. negative
    1. BLOND
      BLOND 29 December 2016 12: 35
      +4
      Quote: K-50
      It looks like the Nazis, who retreating behind them all broke. So apparently the dill also want to leave the ruins of the country after fleeing. negative

      ... under time pressure, mining will begin!
  19. vladimirw
    vladimirw 29 December 2016 12: 16
    +7
    [/ quote] At the same time, the agency claims that earlier they tried to export the plant’s capacities to Russia. Oleg Deripaska allegedly did this, [quote]

    Do you think this fruit in Russia developed something, say GAZ? GAZ began to ruin the Germans and Kiriyenko, so to speak, our local cadres, with the full support of Kudrin, as he admitted on local TV. And the deripaska continues to finish. We are especially proud of nothing
    1. soaring
      soaring 29 December 2016 12: 42
      +2
      Yes, GAZ is a pity ... Previously, when an airplane in Gorky landed or took off, it passed over the plant and the sites where the new equipment stood ... It was breathtaking !!! Now in Nizhny you don’t feel such an impulse ... Supermarkets, hypermarkets and fives with Auchans .... The falcon holds on and a few other enterprises related to the defense industry, but where are everyone else .......
  20. tilovaykrisa
    tilovaykrisa 29 December 2016 12: 17
    +1
    Quote: PHANTOM-AS
    It should be noted that we are much ahead of hohlodonts, including cutting scrap plants.
    ZIL, AZLK, the Moscow Order of Lenin, the Order of the October Revolution and the Order of the Red Banner of Labor Hammer and Sickle Metallurgical Plant, etc., and listing the pages nationwide is not enough. So kakly go off the beaten track.


    I studied and did practice at the time at ZIL and I live nearby, I clearly remember the beginning of the 90s when they started to pull the plant away, started from the directors and in the end they dragged everything they could, pulled out cables at a color of the color between the shops for kilometers at night, But there are 13 checkpoints, they built a subway under it, a whole residential area, their own recreation center, a swimming pool and they released everything !!! from dummies to government limousines, it was painful to look at it, but right now they are building up complexes for rent and they are half empty.
  21. cap
    cap 29 December 2016 12: 26
    +1
    A great country can be called a country that can do everything from ore mining to space flight, all talk about cooperation in a wolf pack can mean that, at best, a weak wolf will get only bone. Or another place, what? yourself.
  22. Comrade Stalin
    Comrade Stalin 29 December 2016 12: 30
    +1
    Let them cut it. Skaklam tanks will have nowhere to repair.
  23. 2 – 0
    2 – 0 29 December 2016 12: 33
    +2
    Mushi-pusi, mother ... Most likely, in Russia ChTZ would be chopped up like KhTZ, bulldozer workers, at least on normal imported equipment, would have worked, bowing to the owner’s belt.
    In Sakhalin, when we began to buy "Katharpilers" and "Komatsu" - to change the feces of the T-170, the drivers almost cried when they climbed out of the cabins. One of the "Boats" from our office at a snow dump in Yuzhnoye in 2007 worked around the clock, practically the engine was not turned off, the drivers changed, and so for almost 2 months ... THIS IS THIS ... onboard, then the engine. About excavators ... they got the Japanese, again the drivers were almost in tears. And the people for 50 years. There are practically no young people, these will die and that's it ...

    If the plant is uncompetitive, why kiss it in the ass? It would be better if they worked and designed, so they wouldn’t cut it. And then all sorts of nerds-clerks write - oh, Ukrainians are fools and half-fools. You yourself .... talkers, rather, would ChTZ under the knife.
    1. Krasniy_lis
      Krasniy_lis 29 December 2016 13: 13
      +4
      Quote: 2-0
      We have on Sakhalin

      and the flag is yellow blue. Powerful.
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      2. 2 – 0
        2 – 0 29 December 2016 15: 39
        0
        Nothing is powerful! I froze in my small homeland for 45 years, I moved 3 years ago to my wife’s small homeland. Now I bask in the Kherson region at +40. Citizenship of the Russian Federation. There is still cleverness, Novoros x.?

        Here on the forum there are just few techies, one office-sofa slush, there is nothing to be done on the keys rattling, "russiavperde". I myself just do not work, I have earned this right through many years of work without days off and holidays. Tunnel right now.
        The builders would have pulled themselves together, they would have justified my words about ChTZ and justified and supported.
        1. Krasniy_lis
          Krasniy_lis 29 December 2016 19: 37
          +1
          So write "in our Kherson region". And you, obviously, are writing from next summer? Or from the past? +40 for him. fool
          Sounding up, not tossing bags, but you're good.
          On a subject of a post that you have something against? Am I writing something wrong?
          To KhTZ there how all shipyards for metal were pulled away? Or the ones that are still standing?
        2. Comrade Stalin
          Comrade Stalin 29 December 2016 19: 59
          0
          Pots completely pressed his head? +40 with him ... Do you even know that winter is in the northern hemisphere?
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 29 December 2016 21: 12
      0
      You don’t need to drive to ChTZ - they already make excellent bulldozers - chtz-uraltrac.ru
  24. Kirill750
    Kirill750 29 December 2016 12: 50
    +3
    now on oxen and wooden plows will plow Although anyone and what to plow all prosrali
    1. 2 – 0
      2 – 0 29 December 2016 15: 22
      +1
      But the Komi Republic, ours, racial ... Krasyavo, yes, "Kirill750"? I can throw it over ...
      1. svp67
        svp67 29 December 2016 15: 27
        +3
        Quote: 2-0
        And here is the Komi Republic, ours, the Racean ...

        And so what. A man plows the earth in a personal compound and what's CRIMINAL. A horse there it turns out better and cheaper.
        1. 2 – 0
          2 – 0 29 December 2016 15: 40
          +1
          Nothing like that. This is just an answer to "Kirill750" about the beam in his eye ...
          And the compound is not personal, but the former collective farm field, now put on. I can throw a lot of this.
          1. svp67
            svp67 29 December 2016 15: 49
            +4
            Quote: 2-0
            I can throw a lot of this.

            Yes, leave yourself a LONG MEMORY. I know very well what a horse is on the farm and I have seen a lot of how the villagers in Poland, Hungary, Germany, and Slovakia work on them.
            Not to mention Belarus and Ukraine.
            Before you "open your eyes" to someone, think, maybe you are not busy with that?
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              1. kit-kat
                kit-kat 29 December 2016 16: 14
                0
                Oh, why are you so excited? And to send to the moderator is futile - there were no insults, curses too. And a man is right, some plow a private compound too. And there really is no crime - at least in Russia, even in Ukraine.
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      2. svp67
        svp67 29 December 2016 16: 48
        +2
        Quote: 2-0
        Pretty, yes,

        By the way, at the expense of the attached photo. It is from net and there is one interesting processing of it and where, in for Four,
        25 of worms 2015 rock number 67 (19262) http://www.silskivisti.kiev.ua/19262/index.php?n=
        27663

        in the article "By the Great Khlib - from the Sohoyu and the Cipom?" It seems that already in 2015, there were no HORSES left in Ukraine ... Byada.
        1. 2 – 0
          2 – 0 29 December 2016 17: 06
          +1


          Yes, no, svp67 - moderator, this is the name of Rasey, Komi. https://7x7-journal.ru/opinion/14202
          1. svp67
            svp67 29 December 2016 17: 12
            +2
            Quote: 2-0
            Yes, no, svp67 - moderator, it’s named Rasey

            Yes, I do not deny it. I have already expressed my position to you at the expense of horses in agriculture. I just gave you an example from the Nenki press, the article is about their distress, and the photo is processed from ours ... Do they have any horses left?
            1. 2 – 0
              2 – 0 29 December 2016 17: 28
              +2
              This stupidity is utter - horses. When I saw THIS in Ukraine, I don’t even know how to convey my feelings. Well, it’s necessary, MTS collective farms, state farms, and to get to the horses ... the collapse of agriculture. Collective farm lands were torn apart for allotments - that’s how they plow. 10s of the 20th century in general.
              1. svp67
                svp67 29 December 2016 19: 08
                0
                Quote: 2-0
                This stupidity is utter - horses

                This can be said by one who has not worked on the earth. Horses do not need gasoline, but it pulls more than another tractor, and even supplies fertilizer ...
                1. Donhapa
                  Donhapa 30 December 2016 10: 34
                  +1
                  Quote: svp67
                  Quote: 2-0
                  This stupidity is utter - horses

                  This can be said by one who has not worked on the earth. Horses do not need gasoline, but it pulls more than another tractor, and even supplies fertilizer ...


                  Yes ...
                  I understand that the Jews dragged us into the Stone Age ...
                  Has he ever tried to harness a horse?
        2. Evil like Putin
          Evil like Putin 3 January 2017 18: 33
          0
          You're absolutely right !!! This photo was taken in Ukraine and in the first was born with IP from an independent !!! It was flooded on the website agrarian truth dot com))))
  25. Evil 55
    Evil 55 29 December 2016 12: 52
    +2
    The slide of the CeUKRALina into the Stone Age takes on an avalanche-like shape .. History puts everything in its place ..
  26. AlexTires
    AlexTires 29 December 2016 12: 58
    +6
    The revival of the Stone Age economy in Ukraine is just around the corner.



    1. 2 – 0
      2 – 0 29 December 2016 15: 30
      +3
      Citizen "AlexTires"!
      But these are the ruins of a powerful city-forming pulp and paper mill in my hometown on Sakhalin. Nothing so Stalingrad, right? I already lived in Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk, did not see, they told me. In 94 digesters, they pulled out stainless steel bulldozers and pulled it along the road to the port, there they loaded it like scrap metal onto a Korean ship ............................ ................
      ...........................................
      1. svp67
        svp67 29 December 2016 16: 01
        +2
        Quote: 2-0
        But these are the ruins of a powerful city-forming pulp and paper mill in my hometown on Sakhalin. Nothing so Stalingrad, right? I already lived in Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk, did not see, they told me. In 94 digesters, they pulled out stainless steel bulldozers and pulled it along the road to the port, there they loaded it like scrap metal onto a Korean ship ..

        Which once again proves that our sad experience of friendship with the Americans, for the future did not go. They all think that they are the smartest and that it will be different with the Americans ... And therefore there is little ONE Maidan, we will also do 2-0. Oh well...
        In Russia now it is different, I know one thing we do not like the HOLIDAY of OPENING THE TOILET AT SCHOOL, we have it NORMAL, working moment. But in "Nezalezhnaya" one of the CENTRAL newspapers reports about it, Proudly
        In the Odessa region, the deputy staged a celebration in honor of the repair of the school toilet
        The opening took place with songs, dances, a ribbon, a solemn delegation and the anthem of Ukraine
        On December 27, in Razdelnyansky district of Odessa region, a whole celebration was held in honor of the opening of the school toilet.
        This was announced on his Facebook page by deputy Sergei Maslov.

        Solemn cutting of the red ribbon in honor of the opening of the water closet. Photo: Sergey Maslov / Facebook

        "As a deputy of the Razdelnyansky District Council, I fulfilled another promise given to voters in my district! Today, a new in-school toilet was opened. Children performed with a dance and a song. In turn, each of the guests said a word. All were united in one thing - only through interaction a good result was achieved between all the leaders of different levels, "Maslov said, not without pride.

        http://vesti-ukr.com/odessa/217692-v-odecckoj-obl
        acti-deputat-uctroil-prazdnik-v-checkt-repair-shk
        olnoho-toileta
  27. pts-m
    pts-m 29 December 2016 13: 22
    +1
    Since machines and lines are cut into metal, it means that someone in the world lacks needles and blades.
  28. Stinger
    Stinger 29 December 2016 14: 23
    0
    Something long they are optimized. Our Kirov Plant, Hammer and Sickle, ZIL and hundreds of others were put under the knife much faster. The aircraft factory in Komsomolsk-on-Amur was nearly cut to metal. If it weren’t for Pogasyan, they would have sold the Chinese a ruble per kg
    1. Arikkhab
      Arikkhab 30 December 2016 12: 17
      0
      in the Khabarovsk Territory (under Ishaev) they did not sell anything
  29. jovanni
    jovanni 29 December 2016 14: 31
    +2
    This ... Not from those workshops they started ... Foundries were cut, and others are now melting where? Ehehe ...
  30. Dmitry Khanin
    Dmitry Khanin 29 December 2016 15: 14
    +1
    And whoooo is to blame for all this?!;) That's right! GDP !;)))))))
  31. svp67
    svp67 29 December 2016 15: 26
    0
    Kharkov tractor cut for scrap
    Grandfather plowed the land on HTZ tractors and therefore I could never, even in a nightmare, imagine that the time would come when I would receive such news with understanding and satisfaction ...
    1. Arikkhab
      Arikkhab 30 December 2016 12: 16
      +1
      there is understanding (maybe), but there is definitely no satisfaction ... our grandfathers after the war, the hungry built it all - what would survive to this?
  32. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 29 December 2016 15: 32
    +2
    The idea has not been letting me go for a long time: the United States is preparing for a war with us, moreover real and not so distant as it seems to many ... They are afraid that Ukraine will come out on our side and destroy the entire industrial potential of the country and the population at the same time ... Ideally Of course they would like to make Anti-Russia from Ukraine, but the time is running out, they do not have time, they simply destroy everything they can ...
    Ukraine is a country with developed agriculture, well, what do you need to be a nerd or a corrupt creature in order to destroy a tractor making plant ?! The mind cannot be comprehended simply ...
    1. KaPToC
      KaPToC 29 December 2016 17: 41
      +1
      In the budget of the USSR, Ukrainian agriculture occupied an honorable second place in costs immediately after the defense, Ukraine itself pulled such agriculture and such production with x machinery
    2. Arikkhab
      Arikkhab 30 December 2016 12: 14
      0
      selling creature 100%
    3. Donhapa
      Donhapa 2 January 2017 10: 00
      +1
      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      The idea has not been letting me go for a long time: the United States is preparing for a war with us, moreover real and not so distant as it seems to many ... They are afraid that Ukraine will come out on our side and destroy the entire industrial potential of the country and the population at the same time ... Ideally Of course they would like to make Anti-Russia from Ukraine, but the time is running out, they do not have time, they simply destroy everything they can ...
      Ukraine is a country with developed agriculture, well, what do you need to be a nerd or a corrupt creature in order to destroy a tractor making plant ?! The mind cannot be comprehended simply ...


      Enemies captured the country
  33. dima9990
    dima9990 29 December 2016 16: 10
    +3
    I just remembered my dear Novokuznetsk. KMK no longer exists, shopping centers are in its place. ZSMK dies. and normal. silence. unemployment in the city is wild. Novokuznetsk and KMK for those who do not know Mayakovsky praised "I know the city will be, I know the garden will bloom when there are such people in a Soviet country." And during the war it gave steel. and you are pouring tears on someone else's.
  34. Zomanus
    Zomanus 29 December 2016 16: 32
    +3
    But I'm glad this news, to be honest.
    Firstly, Ukrainians will have less opportunity to do all kinds of garbage against us and ours.
    Secondly, if everything works out, we won’t have to figure out what to order at these wretched, outdated enterprises in order to keep Ukrainian industry afloat.
    So I wish, following this enterprise, to destroy other Ukrainian factories, especially defense ones.
    And we will sell them wagons and agricultural machinery for food ...
    And for those who write about what was cut with us, I advise you to remember how many years have passed since that moment and more often look at the site "Made with us". Because it's easier and more familiar to be a mourner, yes, than to understand the current state of affairs.
  35. kolmakov79
    kolmakov79 29 December 2016 16: 43
    +3
    And I remembered ZMZ, such a plant collapsed. How many youth worked, and now some warehouses and pensioners are finalizing. And most importantly, if earlier the bosses demanded a plan, to hell with quality, now their grandchildren rule and one optimization is in mind, saving on everything.
  36. dgiguli1962
    dgiguli1962 29 December 2016 16: 54
    +2
    The difference is that this is the second time in Ukraine. We have begun to rebuild.
  37. 31R-US
    31R-US 29 December 2016 17: 24
    0
    Quote: 2-0
    I can throw ...
    You’re closer there, throw a stone in the face of Poroshenko.
    1. 2 – 0
      2 – 0 29 December 2016 17: 47
      0
      The guard will crash.
  38. Sergey F
    Sergey F 29 December 2016 17: 43
    +4
    This is not HTZ cutting machines, this is Ukraine cutting its economy!
    Sorry guys, but we are prosra ... and Ukraine, but sorry ...
    1. OLD FART
      OLD FART 29 December 2016 19: 52
      +1
      Quote: Sergey F
      This is not HTZ cutting machines, this is Ukraine cutting its economy!
      Sorry guys, but we are prosra ... and Ukraine, but sorry ...

      And I think it's fine ..! All the main military-industrial complex in the Urals and Siberia ... It’s reliable, it's really cold ..)))
      And Ukraine is not going anywhere from Russia ... Let it be robbed and sick (then we will take the money and with huge percentages for our brothers Ukrainians))) The West knows this and feels that it is a snout in a gun ... well, gentlemen! negative
  39. KRIG55
    KRIG55 29 December 2016 18: 44
    +2
    Your deeds are wonderful, Lord! Not even an hour and the Dneproges are mined .... Anyway, in Europe.
    1. Skynet
      Skynet 29 December 2016 19: 33
      +5
      Well, do you all swear? Watch a better video about our Volgograd Tractor Plant
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=An7dxloR_wQ
      So Ukrainians are far behind us!
      1. Donhapa
        Donhapa 2 January 2017 10: 05
        +1
        Quote: Skynet
        Well, do you all swear? Watch a better video about our Volgograd Tractor Plant
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=An7dxloR_wQ
        So Ukrainians are far behind us!

        Both in Ukraine and we are all run by traders and usurers ...
  40. antikilller55
    antikilller55 29 December 2016 19: 45
    +1
    It’s already dill .... they gave what they damned do, such a production under the knife, so many people on the street, here you have her mother’s European integration.
  41. Technologist
    Technologist 29 December 2016 20: 28
    +1
    Well, everything, we can assume that there is no factory, a factory without a foundry is all ...
    Yes, we are no better, the Tyazhstankogidropress plant in Novosibirsk, which produced unique machines, also after stopping the casting "ordered to live a long time", sold 2/3 and presses the profile for drywall ((((.
    1. Arikkhab
      Arikkhab 30 December 2016 12: 11
      +2
      in Birobidzhan, "Dalselmash", which was the only one in the USSR to build caterpillar-mounted rice harvesters and supply them to dozens of countries (including Japan - how many Soviet enterprises supplied products to Japan ???) - sold them to the Chinese "for scrap". people at the plant were still amazed - why are the Chinese measuring "scrap metal" with tape measures? and they all the equipment neatly to themselves, and put in a new place in China ... the same is the Power Transformer Plant (the second largest after Electrosila) ... there were city-forming enterprises, and now there are only markets in the city.
      1. Donhapa
        Donhapa 2 January 2017 10: 06
        +1
        Quote: ArikKhab
        in Birobidzhan, "Dalselmash", which was the only one in the USSR to build caterpillar-mounted rice harvesters and supply them to dozens of countries (including Japan - how many Soviet enterprises supplied products to Japan ???) - sold them to the Chinese "for scrap". people at the plant were still amazed - why are the Chinese measuring "scrap metal" with tape measures? and they all the equipment neatly to themselves, and put in a new place in China ... the same is the Power Transformer Plant (the second largest after Electrosila) ... there were city-forming enterprises, and now there are only markets in the city.


        Enemies in our Kremlin
  42. Vadim237
    Vadim237 29 December 2016 21: 04
    +3
    Yes, let them cut and pull away - in any case, this plant is a corpse, since nobody needs its products.
    1. Donhapa
      Donhapa 2 January 2017 10: 08
      +1
      Quote: Vadim237
      Yes, let them cut and pull away - in any case, this plant is a corpse, since nobody needs its products.


      Your wonder who needs products?
      I suppose you produce vodka, but hawthorn with methanol?
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 2 January 2017 10: 24
        +2
        Yes, you sho? Vadim is a millionaire. Manufactures rolling bearings. Just to the question "give me a million", he doesn’t give a damn. laughing
  43. Bumblebee_3
    Bumblebee_3 29 December 2016 22: 10
    +2
    It’s already dill .... they gave what they damned do, such a production under the knife, so many people on the street, here you have her mother’s European integration.

    The Ukrainians still have a share of logic. Factories such as KhTZ, TurboAtom, Elektrtyazhmash - all these are factories of all-Union significance. Ukraine does not really need the volume of products that these plants produced under the USSR. The worst thing is that instead of new factories, they will set up shopping centers or something like that. KhTZ plant was founded, if not mistaken in the 30s. On the other hand, all technological communications remained there (electricity, water). It is most logical to install new machines and equipment in the old place. How Kharkov authorities will act in this situation, I can’t predict.
  44. Herbalist
    Herbalist 30 December 2016 09: 37
    0
    Do not bother them, let them cut!
  45. Arikkhab
    Arikkhab 30 December 2016 12: 05
    0
    On the one hand, it is a pity - a famous company with a glorious history. on the other hand, this plant is clearly redundant for today's Ukraine, relations with the Russian Federation are broken ... and now where are the products? there are practically no sales markets. if before the plant worked for a huge country, now ... this is how it turns out
  46. Penzyac
    Penzyac 30 December 2016 13: 53
    0
    Quote: cniza
    And they will return to the "open field".

    Into the wild field ...
  47. Penzyac
    Penzyac 30 December 2016 14: 07
    +1
    Quote: svp67
    Quote: 2-0
    This stupidity is utter - horses

    This can be said by one who has not worked on the earth. Horses do not need gasoline, but it pulls more than another tractor, and even supplies fertilizer ...

    But the horse is alive, it constantly needs food, and oats are desirable, clean water and grooming, including veterinary care, are required, it is also necessary to raise and raise it, and a drunken negligent groom, for her, is generally death. This is not a tractor for you, which can be left for a month or two without a tanning bed and leaving just outside the yard in the snow, and then refuel and it will most likely start up ...
  48. Penzyac
    Penzyac 30 December 2016 14: 24
    0
    Quote: Vadim237
    The ZIL plant began to fall apart at GDP, when rain poured from oil tanks on the country. This plant got another 90, and then turned bankrupt - due to the lack of orders not only from the state, but also private owners, and everything came to the point that the city was no longer needed, bankrupt enterprise - instead of it they will make parks, offices, houses, parking lots, playgrounds, etc., but first they will clean the territory - the dirtiest in Moscow, ZIL has fulfilled its function. ZIL can rest - there are no eternal factories.

    And what products will offices and parking lots produce? ...
    Maybe Moscow can afford to exist on money collected by hook or by crook from all over the country, but the whole country cannot exist that way, it does not have a printing press that prints world currency, but one pipe is not enough for everyone ...
    1. Donhapa
      Donhapa 2 January 2017 10: 11
      +1
      Quote: PENZYAC
      Quote: Vadim237
      The ZIL plant began to fall apart at GDP, when rain poured from oil tanks on the country. This plant got another 90, and then turned bankrupt - due to the lack of orders not only from the state, but also private owners, and everything came to the point that the city was no longer needed, bankrupt enterprise - instead of it they will make parks, offices, houses, parking lots, playgrounds, etc., but first they will clean the territory - the dirtiest in Moscow, ZIL has fulfilled its function. ZIL can rest - there are no eternal factories.

      And what products will offices and parking lots produce? ...
      Maybe Moscow can afford to exist on money collected by hook or by crook from all over the country, but the whole country cannot exist that way, it does not have a printing press that prints world currency, but one pipe is not enough for everyone ...

      This vadim237 supporter of business traders. Most likely he produces vodyaru or some other poison ...
  49. Penzyac
    Penzyac 30 December 2016 14: 33
    0
    Quote: DanSabaka
    yes, this is a strategy of peremogi ... there will be no industry in Kharkiv, perhaps Kharkiv will not be needed by "damned masks" ... well, with other cities and villages, the same strategy ...

    As a result of the "disgusting revolution" not even the village, but the farmstead defeated the city. The farm does not need big cities, it only needs bazaars where you can exchange fat for a pitchfork and a rake. Back to the Middle Ages? ...
  50. Technologist
    Technologist 30 December 2016 18: 53
    0
    Quote: PENZYAC
    Quote: cniza
    And they will return to the "open field".

    Into the wild field ...


    Then "Walk the field".