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Overcome another "Serdyukovskaya" reform in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation

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Another concept, which became popular in the Serdyukov and early post-Serdyuk era, goes into history... We are talking about such a concept as "officer-sergeant" or "officer-corporal". The concept was born in the early "10s", when, as a result of the reform, tens of thousands of officers of the RF Armed Forces were not needed by the Armed Forces. The higher management asked them to either submit a report or move to positions that did not correspond to their level of education and a number of other parameters.


Overcome another "Serdyukovskaya" reform in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation


As positions, officers were even offered such as the platoon commander and the squad commander. In order to remain in the structure of the Ministry of Defense, many went to the presented conditions and became "sergeants", having under their belt training in military universities and considerable experience of serving in officer positions.

By 2012, there were at least 10 officers in the Russian army who held sergeant positions. After the dismissal of Minister Serdyukov, the situation began to gradually change. Many officers were given real officer positions in the structures of the Armed Forces.

According to Deputy Defense Minister Nikolai Pankov, who gave an interview to the newspaper "News"By the end of the year, the officers remaining in sergeant positions will receive new positions corresponding to their level of education. Nikolai Pankov notes that the development of the RF Armed Forces imposes special requirements on manning, and the importance of an experienced officer corps can hardly be overestimated.
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  1. Ihrek
    Ihrek 29 December 2016 07: 06
    +47
    Serdyukov will remain a dark spot, and this surname is common in the history of the Russian army. The question remains “where did the country's top leadership look?”, Why did they allow it?
    1. vovanpain
      vovanpain 29 December 2016 07: 24
      +16
      Yes, comrade Serdyukov, a business man, has done a lot with the Baba battalion.
      1. mark2
        mark2 29 December 2016 07: 51
        +42
        Bungled Since December 14, he has been appointed to the Board of Directors of the Russian Helicopters holding. I do not hint at anything, but ...
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 29 December 2016 08: 46
          +18
          I feel that Perdukov's legacy will come back to haunt more than once ...
          I would send him to logging for 15 years ... repeat
        2. Serg koma
          Serg koma 29 December 2016 08: 57
          +1
          Quote: mark2
          And since December 14, 2015, he has been appointed to the Board of Directors of the Russian Helicopters holding.

          And where is Vasiliev's "right hand" now?
          1. Goblin13
            Goblin13 29 December 2016 11: 32
            +1
            On the bed or under the table at the feet negative
            1. vladimirZ
              vladimirZ 29 December 2016 11: 44
              +12
              Serdyukov will remain a dark spot. ... The question remains "where did the country's top leadership look", why did they allow it? - Ihrek

              Well, you are naive, "where did the country's top leadership look?"
              He looked there, because Serdyukov was not driving a gag, but exactly following the instructions of the country's top leadership, because such a massive organizational change in the structure of the Army without the Supreme Commander-in-Chief cannot be resolved.
              But for what purposes did the "supreme supreme leadership of the country" make all this disgrace a big, big question? By the way, the topic of discussion.
              1. Aleksandr12
                Aleksandr12 29 December 2016 12: 01
                +2
                The question arises. If the Chief General saw and approved the whole Serdyukovism, then why does he allow and approve of the actions to eradicate Serdyukov's legacy to the current leadership of the Defense Ministry?
                1. vladimirZ
                  vladimirZ 29 December 2016 12: 21
                  +10
                  why does he allow and approve of actions to eradicate Serdyukov's legacy to the current leadership of the Defense Ministry? - Alexander12

                  But this is interesting, really how to explain the completely opposite actions of the "Chief General"?
                  In my opinion, I already wrote something on VO in the comments, on this occasion, for two reasons.
                  The first, why it was - it was necessary to eradicate the spirit of the Soviet officer in the Army, the continuity of the officer corps of the old Soviet school and the Soviet past - the Army of the Defender of the People, turning it into the Army of the defender of the ruling capitalist class.
                  And secondly, when they did all this, and did it, as we did in Russia, with enormous overdoing, with a significant bending of the stick, we realized that we were actually left without an Army capable of containing an external aggressor.
                  Yes, the "reformed" Army was good for fighting terrorist gangs and armies of small states, but it is incapable of a big war. And the pre-war situation of a big war began to grow significantly, then they realized it, began to urgently strengthen the defense industry, which had already collapsed without funding, and strengthen and restore the Army.
                  But now the recovery requires significant finances from a meager budget and for a long time.
                  1. Makk
                    Makk 29 December 2016 13: 33
                    +1
                    Quote: Aleksandr12
                    The question arises. If the Chief General saw and approved the whole Serdyukovism, then why does he allow and approve of the actions to eradicate Serdyukov's legacy to the current leadership of the Defense Ministry?

                    Because they will not eradicate everything, the principle of 2 steps back and 1 step forward.
                    And the pre-war situation of a big war began to grow significantly, then they realized it, began to urgently strengthen the defense industry, which had already collapsed without funding, and strengthen and restore the Army.

                    Here's where to look at the table: it was before Serdyukov, it was under Serdyukov and what is now.
                2. Franciscan
                  Franciscan 29 December 2016 12: 31
                  +3
                  I got scared. that he and the cooperative lake which he was headed by respected partners will be pulled from the throne by the balls. so I got worried.
          2. mark2
            mark2 29 December 2016 17: 41
            +2
            And where is Vasiliev's "right hand" now?


            I rummaged around on the net. E. Vasilieva is engaged in creativity. She sings, draws, and is going to open a jewelry salon. She herself draws sketches for jewelry. In general, everything is fine with her!)
        3. AUL
          AUL 29 December 2016 12: 07
          +1
          Bungled Since December 14, he has been appointed to the Board of Directors of the Russian Helicopters holding. I do not hint at anything, but ...

          It does not sink!
        4. mehanik27
          mehanik27 29 December 2016 17: 22
          +1
          And then hint, do not hint, without the tacit consent from above, Serdyukov would not have been able to mock so much. So it was intended, but it is clear that something went wrong and thank God it was removed.
      2. PHANTOM-AS
        PHANTOM-AS 29 December 2016 10: 31
        +8
        Quote: vovanpain
        Yes, comrade Serdyukov, a business man, has done a lot with the Baba battalion.

        And the commander-in-chief did not know anything ...
        1. Franciscan
          Franciscan 29 December 2016 12: 32
          +1
          Well, didn’t I know anything? wassat
          1. PHANTOM-AS
            PHANTOM-AS 29 December 2016 12: 41
            +4
            Quote: Franciscan
            Well, didn’t I know anything?

            NOTHING! he doesn’t even know how many sechin he gets, he’s good all around.
      3. Titsen
        Titsen 29 December 2016 21: 22
        0
        Quote: vovanpain
        Yes, comrade Serdyukov, a business man, has done a lot with the Baba battalion.


        And Pankov was in charge of personnel during Divandek's time, and he probably invented the growth of sergeants in the office!
    2. vovanpain
      vovanpain 29 December 2016 07: 24
      +11
      Yes, comrade Serdyukov, a business man, has done a lot with the Baba battalion.
      1. bald
        bald 29 December 2016 07: 37
        +3
        Horror !!! --- no comments --- no words.
    3. Tatar 174
      Tatar 174 29 December 2016 07: 26
      +13
      Quote: Ihrek
      Serdyukov - will remain a dark spot, and this surname is a household name in the history of the Russian army.

      Just like the words "policeman" - a common noun for 70 years and "liberal-democrat" - will be a common noun for a long time, Zhirinovsky probably needs to change the name of the party ...
      Quote: Ihrek
      The question remains "where did the country's top leadership look", why did they allow it?

      And it is run by the liberals and consists of them, and that says it all.
      The fact that Serdyukov's reforms have been overcome can be seen and it inspires optimism)))
      1. bald
        bald 29 December 2016 07: 48
        +1
        Forgive me of course, but Volodka is good. And if it did not exist, how?
      2. Ihrek
        Ihrek 29 December 2016 08: 26
        +3
        Zhirinovsky probably time to change the name of the party ...
        It is very strange to me that so many people take him seriously.
        1. bald
          bald 29 December 2016 13: 35
          0
          No. He is a serious person. And smart - the 3rd institute is not just like that. And if it were not there !!! --- think (I do not offend) what would have happened.
        2. bald
          bald 29 December 2016 13: 38
          0
          He is doing politics and right.
      3. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 29 December 2016 09: 52
        +12
        Quote: Tatar 174
        As well as the word "policeman" - a common noun for 70 years

        But thanks to D. Medvedev, it has become a symbol denoting a representative of power. Ugh - disgrace. During the Second World War, partisans fought with policemen. Now we need to explain to the youth that those policemen are not such policemen as these policemen.
        1. PHANTOM-AS
          PHANTOM-AS 29 December 2016 10: 38
          +5
          Quote: Nyrobsky
          Quote: Tatar 174
          As well as the word "policeman" - a common noun for 70 years
          But thanks to D. Medvedev, it has become a symbol denoting a representative of power. Ugh - disgrace. During the Second World War, partisans fought with policemen. Now we need to explain to the youth that those policemen are not such policemen as these policemen.

          It is worth noting that I will give the supreme sidekick and it was the "ladies" who led the election headquarters of the GDP, and then became president, solely with the support and protege of another president (146%).

    4. ltc22A
      ltc22A 29 December 2016 07: 31
      +6
      Quote: Ihrek
      Serdyukov will remain a dark spot, and this surname is common in the history of the Russian army. The question remains “where did the country's top leadership look?”, Why did they allow it?

      And another chief the question: "Who will answer for this?"
      1. nnm
        nnm 29 December 2016 08: 08
        +14
        nobody .... he is recognized as an effective manager
    5. Tibidokh
      Tibidokh 29 December 2016 08: 00
      +20
      Quote: Ihrek
      the question "where did the country's top leadership look", why did they allow it?

      It is not what they allowed that is scary, but that ...
      Serdyukov sent 56 million rubles to his dacha, and the case was opened under the article ... "negligence"! Part 1 of Art. 293 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation - large damage (at the time of the commission of the crime by Serdyukov, part 1.1, there was no "especially large" one yet, the Federal Law of 13.07.2015 N 265-FZ was introduced).
      "shall be punished with a fine in the amount of up to one hundred and twenty thousand rubles, or in the amount of the wage or salary, or any other income of the convicted person for a period of up to one year, or by compulsory labor for a term of up to three hundred and sixty hours, or correctional labor for a term of up to one year, or arrest for a term of up to three months ".
      Those. for 56 million hours 1 tbsp. 293 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation! Cool, what can I say ...
      By the way, Serdyukov stole millions, you know what preventive measure he was elected ...
      "Meanwhile, Anatoly Eduardovich himself feels very well. If you believe the investigation of the weekly" Sobesednik ", the ex-Minister of Defense lives in a mansion on the balance of the FSO, enjoys state protection as a former permanent member of the Security Council of the Russian Federation. Of course, Serdyukov's protection is really possible interpreted in two ways in the new conditions, but only a mansion of 1055 square meters with a bathhouse (175 square meters) and a plot of 166 acres in a prestigious Moscow district, again, does not in any way attract a temporary detention center ... "
      Read completely: http://www.km.ru/v-rossii/2013/08/26/delo-o-korru
      ptsii-v-oboronservise / 719236-suda-nad-serdyukovym
      -ne-budet
      Such a spit on the people ...
      1. Bath
        Bath 29 December 2016 08: 08
        +7
        and sho our people decide something besides friendly approvals wassat
        1. Tibidokh
          Tibidokh 29 December 2016 15: 59
          +2
          Quote: Bath
          and sho our people decide something

          "Am I trembling, or do I have the right?"
          Quote: Bath
          except for the amicable endorsements of wassat

          Everything is logical. The upper class of people has the right ... to everything! The lower (trembling creatures), in the opinion of the higher and some ... the lower, only on "approvals"! recourse
      2. Was mammoth
        Was mammoth 29 December 2016 08: 30
        +5
        Quote: Tibidokh
        By the way, Serdyukov stole millions, you know what preventive measure he was elected ...

        The person involved in the theft case 1,18 billion rubles during the construction of the Vostochny cosmodrome, Anatoly Ryazanov, ex-general director of the Stroykonstruktsi S company, will go to a colony for 4 years.
        More details: http://www.vm.ru/news/2016/12/28/moskovskij-sud-p
        rigovoril-k-4-godam-souchastnika-hishcheniya-na-k
        osmodrome-vostochnij-345203.html
        Justice. wink
        1. Ihrek
          Ihrek 29 December 2016 08: 50
          +5
          Quote: Was Mammoth
          Quote: Tibidokh
          By the way, Serdyukov stole millions, you know what preventive measure he was elected ...

          The person involved in the theft case 1,18 billion rubles during the construction of the Vostochny cosmodrome, Anatoly Ryazanov, ex-general director of the Stroykonstruktsi S company, will go to a colony for 4 years.
          More details: http://www.vm.ru/news/2016/12/28/moskovskij-sud-p
          rigovoril-k-4-godam-souchastnika-hishcheniya-na-k
          osmodrome-vostochnij-345203.html
          Justice. wink

          And what stole what happened? belay
          Such issues should be approached systematically, and those who committed such thefts should also be punished.
          People, do you know that Vasiliev is a relative of DAM (in my cousin of his wife) ?.
          1. Was mammoth
            Was mammoth 29 December 2016 09: 12
            +4
            Quote: Ihrek
            And what did you steal, where did it go? belay

            This is a question for the President, the government and the Duma. About national security.
            In dogonku.
            Power engineers intend to de-energize the Vostochny cosmodrome due to debt
            https://news.mail.ru/economics/28290958/?frommail
            =1
      3. Terner38
        Terner38 29 December 2016 14: 26
        +1
        The golden cage ... They are holding him so that he does not dump or chatter to anyone that is superfluous. I'm not jealous.
        1. Tibidokh
          Tibidokh 29 December 2016 16: 05
          +2
          Quote: Terner38
          Golden cage ... they keep him from dumping

          Yeah, they feed them with caviar for slaughter, so that they are fat and do not run far away - so that it is easy to catch up.
          And they give him. Zhenechka gives, the government gives positions in Rostec, Rosvertol gives. Only the opposite court gave him nothing ...
    6. nnm
      nnm 29 December 2016 08: 07
      +4
      not just a "dark" ... but a brown spot!
    7. vell.65
      vell.65 29 December 2016 08: 49
      +2
      Quote: Ihrek
      where did the country's top leadership look, "why did they allow it?

      Seen with many shared as a consequence of these reductions.
    8. vezunchik
      vezunchik 29 December 2016 08: 55
      +1
      and who is protecting him ...
      1. udincev
        udincev 29 December 2016 09: 59
        +3
        Quote: vezunchik
        and who is protecting him ...

        ... - the ruler of our neo-capitalism is an oligarchic loot!
    9. Jarilo
      Jarilo 29 December 2016 08: 58
      +12
      For a long time we were tormented in various guesses about the "golden handle" No. 1 of Evgenia Vasilyeva. And how did she get to such a high position. And why Medvedev D. And in January 2012 awarded her the Order of Honor. And why she has no less wealth than Abramovich. And in the Khamovnichesky court, E. Vasilyeva directly supervised this court, which allowed her to be under house arrest in her mansions (recall from 13 rooms). Then this golden pen demanded that a hairdresser (possibly Mr. Serdyukov, dressed in a white robe) visit her from time to time. Finally, the answer was found. It turns out that Evgenia Vasilyeva and the wife of the former President of the Russian Federation Dmitry Medvedev (now he is the Prime Minister) Ms. Medvedeva (Linnik) Svetlana Vladimirovna are BINNIES! And finally it became clear why Dmitry Medvedev continues to praise even citizen Serdyukov, who was expelled from the Defense Minister. Citizen Serdyukov loves women from High Society. He left his first wife outside of High Society and married the daughter of Putin's friend and associate Zubkov. And then he threw this one and went higher. The cousin of Medvedev himself, who is already aiming at another presidency, has become a bride or a mistress. We will continue to monitor this family performance. AF Kresik Chairman of the Union of Military Seamen. Moscow, 03.12.12
      http://www.1tvnet.ru/content/show/evgeniya-vasile
      va-biografiya_15888.html
      1. warriordima
        warriordima 29 December 2016 12: 19
        +2
        All or most of them understand that the stool is a torpedo, and he came into power under the rule of the ladies.
        So it seems to me you need to dig Medvedev and to whose tune he dances and to whose mill he pours water. Ladies like an "effective manager" of all the Russian Federation also put an effective manager at the head of the defense. Who benefits from such a reorganization of the army that now it has to be altered well or to correct jambs? Did they overlook or purposefully, or both, and the stool turned out to be not quite an effective manager, but a thief and also stupid?
        Lack of staff or clan or elite struggle?
        I am not a specialist, but it seems to me that under Serdyukov we rolled back, and did not make progress. If this is actually a fact, then this only suggests that the zrada in the government of the country sits and feels quite comfortable.
        In theory, betrayal is the most important jamb that can destroy any state and, in general, any community and every person. The human factor, anyone can betray ...
        Another thing is the reason for the betrayal, as a rule, the majority are led by green papers and the myth of a bright, comfortable and rainbow "exclusive" Western model of a democratic "civilized" society. This is when money became power, not fortitude
        When people are first corrupted with comfort, luxury, conveniences, but which can only be bought for money, and make people as money-dependent as drug addicts on a needle. , what would they put snickers in their mouths and shut up. How can that not become a traitor in such a difficult situation? And someone is even happy with such a system of values ​​and happily (like policemen among the Nazis) serves for its benefit, not even realizing that he is selling himself yourself, your soul.
        But ordinary people, even those who understand and see, still have to live in such an environment and it is not necessary to become a hostage of circumstances and jump over their heads for a handout, but on the contrary despise such traitorous jumpers and help others to rise. salvation of people in interaction with each other and mutual assistance, we are as part of one large organism as its cells, and if the cells begin to be independent egoists, the organism will start to ache. No matter how pathetic it may sound, but the strength of people is in brotherhood and unity., I am convinced of this ...
    10. captain
      captain 29 December 2016 09: 35
      +3
      It is necessary for our president to hire a private security company to protect government buildings, so that crooks do not seize grain positions in the government. Apparently the FSB is not coping.
    11. Skif83
      Skif83 29 December 2016 13: 27
      0
      I mean, it (top management) is still looking there! Otherwise, the Stooltkin would have been sitting as if he were at a minimum, or even smearing his forehead with brilliant green ...
    12. Vladimir Theological
      Vladimir Theological 29 December 2016 18: 21
      0
      Serdyukov followed the instructions of the prime minister and the president, who were incompetent in military development ...
    13. MaksoMelan
      MaksoMelan 30 December 2016 01: 05
      +1
      We will find out years later.
    14. star44
      star44 30 December 2016 14: 17
      +2
      Agree. But ... we must not forget that he could not make such decisions on his own for so many years ... The question remains - who covered it ... Although it is so clear ... Fortunately, reason prevailed ...
  2. cap
    cap 29 December 2016 07: 18
    +2
    It was like this. Thank God the shame of the Serdyukov era is coming to an end.
    There are still plenty of blockages.
    1. bald
      bald 29 December 2016 07: 28
      +1
      and for this p ... let the conscience answer --- although there is zero.
    2. Ryzhiy A.P.
      Ryzhiy A.P. 29 December 2016 07: 43
      +11
      It is unlikely, colleague, the era is coming to an end. Let's take, for example, the structure of military registration and enlistment offices. When recruits and other visitors arrive at the military registration and enlistment office, they see pensioners and women, and they both work for 8-9 thousand. Also the legacy of Taburetkin. But the Army in all its manifestations begins with the military registration and enlistment office.
      1. cap
        cap 29 December 2016 07: 52
        +5
        Quote: A.P. Ryzhiy.
        Let's take, for example, the structure of military registration and enlistment offices.


        I agree. Military enlistment offices also mean mobility, how they will work with such a composition is a big question.
        1. edeligor
          edeligor 29 December 2016 08: 18
          +4
          Quote: cap
          I agree. Military enlistment offices also mean mobility, how they will work with such a composition is a big question.

          That's for sure! The personnel was reduced by 3 times, the tasks performed were increased by 3 times, as well as the number of checks by various "overseers" ... In short, everything is kept on - "It's a shame for the State !!!!"
        2. Ryzhiy A.P.
          Ryzhiy A.P. 29 December 2016 08: 23
          +11
          I'll tell you how they work. Not so long ago, I served as the military commissar in one of the districts of the Nizhny Novgorod region (no matter which one). Works are endless; the demand is like a soldier's, the salary is like a janitor's. Only military pensioners (because they also have a good pension) and women (because their husbands still work) hold on. But all meetings are required to come in office uniform. Window dressing ...
          1. cap
            cap 29 December 2016 08: 51
            +5
            Quote: A.P. Ryzhiy.
            Only military pensioners (because they also have a good pension) and women (because their husbands still work) are holding on. But all meetings are required to come in office uniform. Window dressing ...


            The last time I was in the military registration and enlistment office in 2013, the picture is the same. Now I will not say, it could be better. Already retired. He was seconded to his grandchildren.
            I think there will be improvements. You won't get very far on contract soldiers. You need to think about the reserve, because God forbid, thunder will break out. There will be no time to be baptized.
            1. edeligor
              edeligor 29 December 2016 20: 09
              +2
              Quote: cap
              You won't get very far on contractors.

              So the contract hangs on us (military commissars). Items of the "selection" type are only checked by us, the bosses ...
      2. edeligor
        edeligor 29 December 2016 08: 19
        +4
        Quote: A.P. Ryzhiy.
        But the Army in all its manifestations begins with the military registration and enlistment office.

        To the point buddy!
  3. midshipman
    midshipman 29 December 2016 07: 24
    +9
    He should be judged only for having transferred the famous Academy from Moscow to Voronezh. I have the honor.
    1. Per se.
      Per se. 29 December 2016 11: 24
      +3
      You have forgotten about the transfer of the Navy headquarters from Moscow "closer to the sea" to St. Petersburg. In 2008, when, according to expert estimates, the cost of moving the headquarters was 40-50 billion rubles, about a thousand people served at the headquarters of the fleet. Wasted time was added to the costs, and much more, including the fact that the headquarters came out from under the Moscow anti-missile "umbrella". Under Serdyukov, they often nodded "like in the United States," but there, once, everything is concentrated in the Pentagon, and no one was taken "closer to the sea" or "closer to the sky". Serdyukov is no longer there, but the elite metropolitan land is still in demand, not so long ago they finished off ZIL ... Serdyukov, a consequence of our capitalism, and if we still get something good, this is a farewell greeting from the Soviet margin of safety, and certainly not thanks, and in spite of all the Serdyukovs, and their monetary and selfish era.
      1. PHANTOM-AS
        PHANTOM-AS 29 December 2016 11: 26
        +3
        Quote: Per se.
        You have forgotten about the transfer of the Navy headquarters from Moscow "closer to the sea" to St. Petersburg.

        They also forgot the liquidation of military schools.
        Quote: Per se.
        Serdyukov, a consequence of our capitalism, and if we still get something good, this is a farewell greeting from the Soviet reserve of strength, and certainly not thanks to, but in spite of all the Serdyukovs, and their monetary and selfish era.

        That's right. + 100500 hi
      2. midshipman
        midshipman 29 December 2016 12: 39
        +3
        Dear "Per se", you are completely right. I remember that Commander-in-Chief Gorshkov invited me urgently to him on one issue in Ch. The headquarters at the Metro station "Krasnye Vorota". I have the honor.
  4. bald
    bald 29 December 2016 07: 25
    +1
    Guys ! I have the honor! we are the pride of Russia!
    1. nnm
      nnm 29 December 2016 08: 09
      +5
      and also, it seems, her modesty!
    2. Ihrek
      Ihrek 29 December 2016 10: 21
      +1
      Quote: bald
      Guys ! I have the honor! we are the pride of Russia!


      Looking at whom to keep in mind, not all citizens of Russia are proud, I personally am proud of the history of Russia, its culture, and all the crooks and those in power would have to go to the wall for the people to truly become united and for the country to really get on its feet.
  5. aszzz888
    aszzz888 29 December 2016 07: 37
    0
    For a long time, the costs of that time, and that of the head of the Ministry of Defense, will haunt. Only the best should remain.
  6. AlexVas44
    AlexVas44 29 December 2016 07: 38
    0
    According to Deputy Defense Minister Nikolai Pankov, who gave an interview to the Izvestia newspaper, by the end of the year the officers remaining in sergeant positions will receive new positions.

    Are there such squad leaders and drivers even now? Nonsense.
    1. nnm
      nnm 29 December 2016 08: 10
      0
      I am ashamed to admit, but I myself first read about this in this article !!! marasmus!!!
  7. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 29 December 2016 07: 42
    0
    Well, yes, what do you want from a stool-minister from a crow ???
    1. Bath
      Bath 30 December 2016 11: 22
      +1
      But now what has changed, apart from the situation, Shoigu is a career soldier? tell me to the unreasonable in which university he studied in which district did he start?
  8. mik6403
    mik6403 29 December 2016 07: 55
    0
    ... The Moor did his job ....
    1. nnm
      nnm 29 December 2016 08: 11
      0
      not a "Moor", but an effective manager !!!
  9. PValery53
    PValery53 29 December 2016 07: 58
    0
    In Serdyukov's "era", according to his own logic, there was a "rank" - defense minister-lieutenant, which was too big for him.
  10. Hapfri
    Hapfri 29 December 2016 08: 01
    +3
    Oh well.
    It's just that everyone forgets that by the time of the Crimean events, Shoigu was in charge of nothing. And in his hands was already an updated Russian army. Where did she come from? Has grown by itself?
    1. Ihrek
      Ihrek 29 December 2016 09: 03
      +7
      Quote: Hupfri
      Oh well.
      It's just that everyone forgets that by the time of the Crimean events, Shoigu was in charge of nothing. And in his hands was already an updated Russian army. Where did she come from? Has grown by itself?

      And why, one might think there were military operations where the army could distinguish itself. In the first place, the General Staff worked well for the work of which Serdyukov had nothing to do, at least for that period.
  11. Stalnov I.P.
    Stalnov I.P. 29 December 2016 08: 08
    0
    Hang this rat on a stool by yay.
  12. Fagelov
    Fagelov 29 December 2016 08: 11
    +5
    To deal with Serdyukov, to understand why he is "unsinkable," we need not emotional assessments, but a deep analysis. What was done to them positively, what negative? Compare and evaluate. Who are the commentators in the thread? Can someone draw up a comparative table of Serdyukov's transformations? It would be interesting to discuss specifics, not sighing.
  13. Million
    Million 29 December 2016 08: 17
    +1
    Ah ah ah! And who appointed Serdyukov? Who is covering for him?
  14. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 29 December 2016 08: 19
    +3
    The task was assigned to him, he fulfilled it. Yes, in a hurry they sold something cheaper than it could have been. Yes, they stole inaccurately. am Someone was cut, of those who are not needed.
    Aren't you military? Don't you know what an order is? All questions to the one who gave the order!
    People like him and Chubais are specially kept for such dirty work.
  15. Moore
    Moore 29 December 2016 08: 22
    +8
    As positions, officers were even offered such as the platoon commander and the squad commander.

    My position was "grenade launcher" in Novorossiysk ...
    Nikolai Pankov notes that the development of the RF Armed Forces imposes special requirements on manning, and the importance of an experienced officer corps can hardly be overestimated.

    It is amazing the ability of this bureaucrat to adapt to a changing environment. Under Serdyukov, there was no fighter for "reforms" more ardent than him.
    Has he forgotten, apparently, what he created together with his subordinate, as the Secretary of State of the Ministry of Defense, the Department of Military Education with this same military education? How is it - from 64 universities to 17? Reduce their staff sevenfold?
    And what about the "radar station" in the reserve, "disguised" as a villa with a yacht boathouse?
    And the spizzh..nnye trophy bronze deer in the Rostov DOP?
    And spizzh..nye rare cars from the Ryazan Automobile School?
    It looks like the same "security umbrella" is spread over this crook as over his boss ...
    In all conscience, I have already taken it, grabbed - zdrizni into the mud. There is no conscience. Therefore, it still shines and broadcasts with a clever look ... Ugh.
    1. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 29 December 2016 08: 38
      +5
      Quote: Moore
      64 VUZov up to 17? Reduce their staff sevenfold?

      VVMUPP them. Len: Komsomol - I definitely won't forgive (personal).
      Quote: Moore
      cars from the Ryazan Automobile School?

      He made money, ghoul ... Ryazan was in shock. And the "car" itself was turned into a faculty ...
  16. vmo
    vmo 29 December 2016 08: 23
    +2
    Why, this bungler, who tried to destroy the army, did not incur a well-deserved punishment, but was appointed to the Board of Directors of the Russian Helicopters holding, not to destroy this holding?
  17. Old26
    Old26 29 December 2016 08: 31
    +6
    Quote: AlexVas44
    Are there such squad leaders and drivers even now? Nonsense.

    It's hard to say for 2016, but a couple of years ago, my good friend, the military pension, mentioned in a conversation that this problem arose, in particular in the Strategic Missile Forces, when Serdyukov multiplied the institute of warrant officers by zero. And there was a situation. According to the state, the driver of the APU is an ensign, but they are not. Became civilians or sergeants. To put a civilian - on a rocket carrier is impossible by definition, to put a sergeant ??? And how many of the warrant officers agreed to remain sergeants? So they put them on the post of ensign - officers. This is only for the drivers. And there were also other positions in which sergeants served under contract and who, as a result of Serdyukov's reforms, also left the army. Whom to replace? Only officers.
    But I'll check it again. This conversation is several years old. How things are now - to be honest, I don’t know
  18. pts-m
    pts-m 29 December 2016 09: 07
    +3
    So this is what the "strategic fund" of Russia is. It turns out he was "veiled" under the private accounts of government officials. Here she is Russian ingenuity.
  19. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 29 December 2016 09: 24
    +5
    There is a suspicion that Serdyukov played the role of a saboteur, whose task was to destroy the petrified structure of the generals, welded together by mutual responsibility. It was useless to throw ANY funds into this structure for the restoration of the Russian Armed Forces. So they used the "stool" in the form of a ram. And then Shoigu came, and bam ... Most likely, that is why neither Serdyukov nor his nipple was severely punished.
    1. Ihrek
      Ihrek 29 December 2016 09: 33
      +8
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      There is a suspicion that Serdyukov played the role of a saboteur, whose task was to destroy the petrified structure of the generals, welded together by mutual responsibility. It was useless to throw ANY funds into this structure for the restoration of the Russian Armed Forces. So they used the "stool" in the form of a ram. And then Shoigu came, and bam ... Most likely, that is why neither Serdyukov nor his nipple was severely punished.

      He was not crushed because he was the son-in-law of Putin’s friend, Zubkov. But the nipple was not crushed, because his nipple, Vasilyev’s cousin of Medvedev’s wife. And all this got into a scandal and the people found out about it because he wanted to punish his unfaithful son-in-law Zubkov. Then all the same, he returned to the family (to Zubkov’s daughter) and everything was inhibited, they didn’t let events develop further. These are all facts.
      1. bk316
        bk316 29 December 2016 11: 03
        +3
        that wanted to be punishedyour unfaithful son-in-law Zubkov

        "I wanted to punish" - is that a fact?

        It's funny to see people on VO who cannot distinguish facts from speculation, that is, they do not understand what a fact is. At the same time, they write meaningful posts.

        I believe that at least half of the problems in our country are from fools and not from thieves, Jews, communists, oligarchs, .... (write what you like)
        1. Ihrek
          Ihrek 29 December 2016 13: 30
          +2
          When I eat this food, I rely on the average user who understands my pain and resentment for our country well and who does not need to chew where the facts are and where are the guesses, sometimes in order to guess something you do not need to have seven spans on the forehead. The most important thing here is that in the government there are many (I’ll not specifically name) rogues who steal and allow their close people to do so, for whom their own material well-being is higher than state interests, and they call on people on TV to rally and do not want to start with themselves, in Stalin's time, these were called enemies of the people.
          1. bk316
            bk316 29 December 2016 14: 21
            +2
            And why are you "feeding" this with so many mistakes?

            If you do not write, but squeak because you are offended, then of course it is understandable - we all feel offended. Only nagging, frankly speaking, already gets enough.

            But if you really want to convey something important, then it is not bad to respect those "average" ones to whom you write and make fewer mistakes both in Russian and in essence.
            1. Ihrek
              Ihrek 29 December 2016 19: 34
              0
              Thank you Brother for the comment, you are right.
      2. Stanislas
        Stanislas 29 December 2016 13: 44
        0
        Quote: Ihrek
        And all this got out into a scandal and the people found out about it because they wanted to punish their unfaithful son-in-law Zubkov.
        You would have watched "Let them talk" by Malakhov less, you know, it would have been better for you ...
    2. sunzhenets
      sunzhenets 29 December 2016 09: 47
      +3
      There is a suspicion that Serdyukov played the role of a saboteur, whose task was to destroy the petrified structure of the generals, welded together by mutual responsibility.

      There is confidence that this is nonsense
      1. Stanislas
        Stanislas 29 December 2016 13: 46
        0
        Quote: Sunflower
        There is confidence that this is nonsense
        Could you justify your confidence, or are you not in this case?
    3. ando_bor
      ando_bor 29 December 2016 12: 14
      +3
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      So they used a "stool" in the form of a battering ram. And then Shoigu came, and bam ...

      There was no bam, I saw what the army had turned into under Serdyukov - fantastic. In Crimea and Syria they saw everything. Putin ordered the army reforms to Serdyukov, he fulfilled the order, and the main thing he did was to take the money away from the generals. And it’s not even they who raise the whine, but the State Department’s mercenaries, because this is a reliable hole where they can get into the camp of patriots. Reforms are a painful thing in any case.
      1. Stanislas
        Stanislas 29 December 2016 13: 56
        +1
        Quote: ando_bor
        they don't even raise whine, but the State Department's mercenaries, because this is a reliable hole where they can get into the camp of patriots
        All so, but not only them. There are also those who fell into the millstones of reforms and poured out resentment against Serdyukov; the particular gets in the way of seeing the big picture.
        1. bk316
          bk316 29 December 2016 14: 24
          +2
          who fell into the millstones of reforms

          Of course there is. Any reform has sacrifices. Remember what Comrade Stalin said?
          Only now, after all, no one was shot, or not?
          1. Stanislas
            Stanislas 29 December 2016 14: 32
            +1
            Quote: bk316
            Only now, after all, no one was shot, or not?
            No. Bit I'd like. smile
        2. ando_bor
          ando_bor 29 December 2016 18: 35
          +2
          Quote: Stanislav
          who fell into the millstones of reforms and pours out a grudge against Serdyukov

          And so the color revolutions are arranged, the people start to jump not from a good life, but from real problems, and who is to blame and what the puppeteers will tell them to do, sometimes it suits them so that the launched avalanche demolishes everything in its path - the avalanche is already developing according to natural historical laws, often they can no longer control it, which has happened lately, sometimes it also attracts puppeteers, - remember the American ambassador to Libya.
  20. Monarchist
    Monarchist 29 December 2016 09: 28
    +1
    [quote = Serg Koma] [quote = mark2] And since December 14, 2015 he has been appointed to the Board of Directors of the Russian Helicopters holding. [/ quote]
    And where is Vasiliev's "right hand" now? To be amusing and adorable, she "solves" state issues in a beauty salon
  21. masiya
    masiya 29 December 2016 09: 29
    +4
    It was not a fig was to put a private on the Minister of Defense ... so officers-sergeants and corporals turned out, the Fuhrer-Feldwebel made some kind of mess, it still haunts ...
    1. Stanislas
      Stanislas 29 December 2016 14: 52
      0
      Quote: masiya
      so it turned out officers-sergeants
      Serdyukov was faced with the task of reducing the number of the Armed Forces. Is there a big choice? Would the officers be better off if they were fired? They did not think so and turned over to these positions. Here in this place, what are the claims to the minister?
  22. Burmistr
    Burmistr 29 December 2016 09: 56
    +4
    What's the next nonsense? For some reason, no one said a word WHO and WHY put this woodpecker in charge of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and, moreover, have the opportunity to reorganize them, as well as WHY CRIMINAL CASE on this fact has not yet been initiated. And this nonsense that the article is just another informational rubbish.
  23. Alexander S.
    Alexander S. 29 December 2016 10: 11
    0
    And I'm glad that we decided to disperse all this pseudo-officer's riffraff ... who lowered the army below the plinth ... And then damn it sat ... and stole ... that's their whole service was. One soldier commanded under a hundred officers ... haha ​​.. laugh and nothing more. True, it's a pity, they haven't finished it yet. The Baltic fleet should also be cleaned up en masse ... but there are places where there is still garbage.
  24. Million
    Million 29 December 2016 10: 22
    +2
    Putin has always had problems recruiting
    1. PHANTOM-AS
      PHANTOM-AS 29 December 2016 10: 28
      +5
      Quote: Million
      Putin has always had problems recruiting

      The thing is that he was also selected as a "frame", and debts to "virtues" need to be paid, this is how we live.
    2. Stanislas
      Stanislas 29 December 2016 15: 13
      0
      Quote: Million
      Putin has always had problems recruiting
      And when and who did not have them? Only those who blow bubbles through a tube.
  25. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 29 December 2016 10: 53
    0
    Serdyukovshchina has become a household name. Negative experience as they say, it's good that our army overcame it. Comrades officers!
    1. PHANTOM-AS
      PHANTOM-AS 29 December 2016 11: 08
      0
      Quote: Alexey-74
      Comrades officers!

      The address "Comrade" is for the current government, it is Anachronism, a relic of the Soviet past. Now all the gentlemen will soon be.
  26. volodya
    volodya 29 December 2016 11: 06
    +1
    It's high time to put him in prison for the collapse of the army, and they pat him on the head!
  27. Brigadier
    Brigadier 29 December 2016 12: 03
    0
    To paraphrase one former real character of the 3rd Reich, I can say: "When I hear the name - Serdyukov, my finger reaches for the trigger of the pistol" ... soldier
  28. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 29 December 2016 14: 23
    +2
    Many of Serdyukov's reforms were sensible, consistent
    changes in the demography of Russia. Create armies and divisions now
    only on paper. In fact, this is the creation of higher and secondary
    officer positions without soldiers. Linden.
  29. Roust
    Roust 29 December 2016 17: 56
    0
    Taburetkin is a big mistake that bulldozed through many fates of the RF Ministry of Defense servicemen during his tenure, and which should not be repeated again. I really hope that Shoigu will live for a long time.
  30. Sergey F
    Sergey F 29 December 2016 18: 06
    0
    Serdyukov is not a feature about which you can say words of gratitude!
    Breaking is not building, but zats ... there is nothing to do in the army!
  31. Flyer_64
    Flyer_64 29 December 2016 21: 58
    +1
    All reformers in the Ministry of Defense were removed, and one was left. Look in the internet for Pankov's statements about officers and sergeants. This is who should have been driven out of the MO for a long time, but he is a komitechik, so draw conclusions who really did the reform, and who needed it.
  32. legkostup
    legkostup 29 December 2016 23: 41
    0
    An officer who has moved to a sergeant position is a loser and he has no place anywhere.
    1. Moore
      Moore 30 December 2016 03: 58
      +4
      Quote: legkostup
      An officer who has moved to a sergeant position is a loser and he has no place anywhere.

      Tell this to the officers of the 45th Airborne Brigade. When the officer position of the deputy commander of the group was reduced there (which also crippled some of the graduates of the RVVDKU), they found the strength to move to sergeant positions and wait for a better time.
      And yes, they would be happy to have a personal conversation with those who consider them to be losers ..
  33. Dimont
    Dimont 29 December 2016 23: 45
    +2
    Storetkin can now be called the Helicopter laughing Well, yes, in the Russian Helicopters he had to do some business. Or find Vasilyeva2 ... mdaaa No.
  34. Tolik_74
    Tolik_74 30 December 2016 18: 01
    +5
    Sirdyukov was lucky that it all happened in Russia, and not in Belarus. Lukashenka was shot for this in his place in Drozdy in the nearest forest.
  35. Alekspel
    Alekspel 2 January 2017 16: 26
    +1
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    There is a suspicion that Serdyukov played the role of a saboteur, whose task was to destroy the petrified structure of the generals, welded together by mutual responsibility. It was useless to throw ANY funds into this structure for the restoration of the Russian Armed Forces. So they used the "stool" in the form of a ram. And then Shoigu came, and bam ... Most likely, that is why neither Serdyukov nor his nipple was severely punished.


    I agree with that. Of course, it was necessary to curtail the marshal-general's structure, which was largely self-contained. Serdyukov, with his impudence and lack of connection with this structure, was exactly the person who crushed it, not without flaws, of course. There is no need to pray for that system either, even though I myself gave it a quarter of a century. I remember he served in Tbilisi in 1985, when he was a lieutenant colonel, he was on duty at the garrison, and the commandant of the garrison was a Georgian Mingrelian, I don’t remember his last name, so then he was already selling arrested soldiers from the guardhouse to local Georgians without even being ashamed of anyone he took money only by stepping aside. And this was also the Soviet army. And how much show was! Each of us can remember a thousand examples. And the dismantled equipment in storage, and the framed divisions, and the military registration and enlistment offices were then only for formality. It was necessary to change everything radically. But we are used to chopping wood so that not only the chips fly, but also the trunks. Here it was exactly what he needed, so that he would not reckon with anyone and with anything, that is, they would give him carte blanche. Well, out of his foolishness, he made some good work. I had to stop. However, the first stage of the task was completed: to the ground ... well, then Shoigu began to build something on the ruins. Therefore, they were not severely punished. And Vasilyeva is just a mistress, who did not have them? This is if you talk without emotion. But what next, when pseudo-patriotism dries up. Who are we going to fight for? For the tsar father, for Abramovich a rich woman or for liberalism-capitalism, or for what? For native birches that do not belong to us? What are our people building in general? And here no Serdyukov will help to destroy this fucking state.
  36. Polishchuk Dmitry
    Polishchuk Dmitry 4 January 2017 06: 06
    0
    Quote: vovanpain
    Yes, comrade Serdyukov, a business man, has done a lot with the Baba battalion.