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Voenkor "Magician" about the situation in the DPR

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Blog chervonec_001 published the next weekly summary of the military officer “Mag” about the situation in the Donetsk Republic.




The summary states, in particular:

«9.12.16, monday.
From the morning and throughout the day on Monday, heavy battles were fought on the Light of the Arcade, and attempts by the Ukrainian Armed Forces to break through our defenses and seize the heights were recorded again.
07: 50 since the morning, positional battles and mortar duels are taking place in the YaBP area.
08: 10 four 120-mm mines fired from the position of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the village of Peski, fell on the territory of the Airport - the norm for the morning.
09: 50 began a massive shelling of our heights on Svetlodar arc. First worked mortars and infantry fighting vehicles. Fighting and mortar duels began. Half an hour later, the Armed Forces of Ukraine connected howiters Msta-B 152-mm.
11: The 00 attempted the APU in groups before the infantry platoon, with the support of the BMP-1 and heavy mortar fire, to advance between our skyscrapers.
15: 00 began fighting and shelling in the area of ​​the Dokuchaevsky district, YaBP, in the area of ​​the village of Zaitsevo and the next attack on the Svetodar arc. Works as small, and mortars and artillery.
17: 00 was hit by a Donetsk filtration station under fire, one ammunition hit the filter building, two fell in front of the building. At the time of the shelling, the station staff were at workplaces, but continued to perform their duties. Currently, DFS is operating normally.

Donetsk filtering station is located between the occupied Avdiivka and Yasinovataya. During the conflict, she repeatedly came under fire. Since spring of this year, the area around the DFS is considered to be one of the most “hot spots” on the contact line of the parties in the Donbas. Due to the constant shelling, station workers regularly descend into bomb shelters.

DFS provides water settlements on both sides of the front line. These are, first of all, the cities of Donetsk and Yasinovataya, the villages of Vasilyevka and Spartak, which are under the control of the DPR, as well as Avdiivka, Krasnogorovka and the village of Verkhnetoretskoye, which are currently occupied by security forces.

18: The 00 battles continued to fire across the front from Dokuchaevsk to Gorlovka. On the Svetlodarskogo direction, the attempts of the Ukrainian Armed Forces to break through the line of defense continue with interruptions to heavy shelling. The main weapons used in combat are machine guns, sniper rifles, BMP-1,2 and mortars.
21: 00 continues fighting in areas of the village Kalinovka. Our upcoming groups of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are working with mortars of 82-mm and 120-mm calibers. Artillery is also used on both sides.
21: 10 Volzo-Center and Airport under mortar fire. The shelling is conducted both from the village of Peski and from the village of Skilled.
21: 20 attacked 122-mm howitzers to the shelling of the Airport and the Kuibyshev district of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

On the first day of the week we were bombarded 1579 times, of which: 82-mm and 120-mm mines — 407 times, 122-mm and 152-mm shells — 69 times, tank 125-mm caliber shells - 8 times, the rest of the shelling was carried out from grenade launchers, equipment and various small arms weapons.

20.12.16, Tuesday.
In 2 hours of the night from Artemovsk to Svetlodarsk, the APU sent reinforcements consisting of: 4 tank T-64, 8 BMP-1, 20 Uralov and up to 300 soldiers.
Exactly the same situation as in previous days. From the morning positional battles and mortar duels - from Dokuchaevsk to Debaltseve. The main battle areas are Dokuchaevsk, the YaBP, the Svetodar arc.

10: 00 and until the evening, new attempts by the Ukrainian Armed Forces to seize several heights and to approach the area where dead and wounded soldiers lie after unsuccessful previous attempts.
15: 50 battles and shelling take place in the area of ​​the Airport, YaBP, Gorlovka, Debaltseve.
17: 50 battles and shelling in the same directions. On the southern front is quiet, in the west of Donetsk it is also quiet. The main battles remain YaBP and Svetlodar arc.
19: 10 started a new attack of the Ukrainian Armed Forces on our positions on the Svtelodar arc. The APU is attacked in two groups, each up to a company of infantry, under the cover of two BMP-1,2. Also, these groups cover the mortars 120-mm and artillery of all calibers. Shells fly into the field, it is clear that the APU has problems with intelligence.
19: Our artillery 20 starts fire on the suppression of firing points. Those that stood in the fields are depressed, but there are firing positions in the suburbs of Svetlodarsk. After each such art raid, the APU runs into the nearest apartment buildings.
19: 20 on the airport-Spartak-YaBP front line began mortar shelling and shelling.

Deep into the night the lightning arc thundered. Major casualties on both sides of mortar and artillery fire.

During the day, we were shot at 699 times, of which: mines of 82-mm and 120-mm caliber - 269 times, 122-mm and 152-mm caliber - 11 times, the rest of the shelling was carried out from grenade launchers, equipment and various small arms.
The territory in the area of ​​responsibility of the LC, in the area of ​​Debaltseve, was fired with mines of 82-mm, 120-mm and 122-mm and 152-mm 215 shells.

21.12.16, Wednesday.
00: The 30 of the Armed Forces of Ukraine fired at the 120-mm mine of the Mayorsk checkpoint. 00: 50 after the break, fighting and mortar duels again broke out in the following areas: YaBP, Zaytsevo, Svetodar arc. Works as a technique.
02: 00 on the whole front was silence.
07: 00 shelling Debaltsevo with 122-mm and 152-mm caliber artillery, for the first time since the liberation of 2015 in February.
08: 45 in the YaBP area, our positions are under artillery fire, fired from the side of Avdiivka.
11: 00 shelling Spartak village with 152-mm artillery.
15: 30 - 15: 40 our artillery is operating in the Avdeev industrial zone.
15: 35 in the Zaitsevo area is a strong battle with mortars, artillery and equipment.
17: 00 began another attempt by the Ukrainian Armed Forces to improve their positions by capturing the gray zone and knocking out the forces of the LC from the remaining high-rises. All types of weapons are working - small arms, RPG, AGS, LNG-9, equipment. The minimum distance between attackers and defenders is 400 meters.
17: 10 on the front line Airport - YaBP strong arrivals of heavy artillery shells. VSU work as howitzers Msta-b 152-mm.
17: 30 on the Lightning Arc is a very strong fight, in the direction of the heights near the village of Kalinovka again, the APU are trying to attack our positions. The Ukrainian Armed Forces and the armies of the DPR and LPR use large quantities of mortars and artillery.
18: 50 in the Sakhanka region recorded shelling of NATO-style 155-mm projectiles.
18: The 50 of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are firing mines and shells of our positions on the YaBP.
18: 50 heavy shelling of the village Zaitsevo. Fighting also began in the Broad Beam area.
18: 50 shelling Debaltseve artillery. In the meantime, the battles on the Lightning arc do not cease.
19: 50 on the VSDV Lightning Arc conducts new attacks and a new shelling of the APU artillery.
20: 20 on the airport-Spartak-YaBP front line continues mortar and art attacks.
23: 30 battles and shelling continue in the areas of: Airport - Spartak - YaBP - Gorlovka - Debaltsevo. Used to / to machine guns, mortars caliber 82-mm and 120-mm, artillery, equipment and MLRS "Grad".
23: 40 after a short break again began shelling with mines and artoi near the village of Zaitsevo.

Our intelligence continues to record the strengthening of the position of the APU near the front line. Thus, in the villages of Thin and Pervomayskoye (in 10 km from the front), the location of three self-propelled guns "Carnation" 122-mm, four self-propelled guns "Acacia" 152-mm was revealed. In the village of Ivanovka (37 km from the front) 15 units of the Gradz MLRS were found.

During the day, we were bombarded with 968 times, of which: 82-mm and 120-mm mines - 297 times, 122-mm and 152-mm caliber - 67 times, 125-caliber tank shells - 12 times, rocket shells 122-caliber -mm - more than 80 times, the rest of the shelling was carried out from grenade launchers, equipment and various small arms.
The territory in the area of ​​responsibility of the LC, in the Debaltsevo area, was fired with mines 82-mm, 120-mm 300 times and shells 122-mm and 152-mm 130 times.

22.12.16, Thursday.
09: 00 as usual morning shelling of the Airport and YaBP. APU use 120-mm mines.
Ukrainian security forces attempted to break through the positions of the DPR forces in the southern sector of the front.
"The Ukrainian military attempted to break through the positions of the DPR on the southern front, taking advantage of the weather conditions - a thick fog," said Basurin. And he added that the attempt was unsuccessful.

11: 40 on the airport-Spartak-YaBP front line and the Lightning arc of the APU mortars and art work.
15: The 55 battle began and a short bombardment of the 120-mm Airport mines.
16: The 55 battle continues in the area of ​​the Airport, the shelling has stopped.
18: 45 battle near the village of Zaitsevo.
18: 55 three hours of fighting and shelling in the area of ​​the Airport and YaBP.
20: Fighting continues in the area of ​​Zaitsevo. An attempt was made by the DRG to advance through our positions.
21: The 40 battles on the Solarium arc have stopped, mortar and art shelling are still going on.

The Ukrainian General Staff sent a commission to the so-called "ATO" zone to clarify the circumstances of the large losses in the units of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the Debaltseve area. This was told at a briefing in LuganskInformCenter official representative of the People's Militia of the LPR, Major Andrei Marochko.

"According to data received from our sources at ATO headquarters, due to the huge irretrievable losses of the APU during the so-called offensive operation on the Debaltsevsky direction, a commission of the General Staff headed by the commander of a separate tactical group was sent to the 54 brigade's area of ​​responsibility. OTG "Donetsk" Sergey Popko to clarify the circumstances of the losses among the units of the armed forces of Ukraine ", - said the major.

"Yesterday (December 21), during the offensive actions that failed miserably in the area of ​​Kalinovka, without waiting for artillery preparation, the 54 Brigade of the Ukrainian Armed Forces under the command of captain Podolyanin advanced into the" gray zone "and fell under fire of its own artillery, as a result which suffered huge losses, which amounted to 11 people killed and eight wounded.

As in the case of an unsuccessful attack by units of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the area of ​​height 200 mark, and in this case, the command of the armed forces of Ukraine continues to hide its failures and personnel losses. Officially, the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine reports only two dead and eight wounded soldiers of the Ukrainian Armed Forces per day, "he stated.

During the day we were shot at 671 times, of which: mines of 82-mm and 120-mm caliber - 219 times, 122-mm and 152-mm caliber - 72 times, the remaining shelling was carried out from grenade launchers, equipment and various small arms.

The territory in the area of ​​responsibility of the LC, in the area of ​​Debaltseve, was fired with mines 82-mm, 120-mm 162 times and projectiles 122-mm and 152-mm 48 times.

23.12.16, Friday.
09: 50 morning mortar shelling of the Airport and YaBP.
Before lunch it was relatively quiet.

14: 50 APU fired at Debaltseve, we will release 10 152-mm projectiles. Infrastructure has suffered, there are no civilian casualties.
15: 20 battle and mortar duels began in the area of ​​the village Kalinovo (LC).
18: 50 in the Ozerianovka area, positional battles, sniper rifles and machine guns are used.
20: 25 rages on fronts and shelling, from the airport to Svetlodarsk, especially hot in the area of ​​the Svetodar arc, there are already six days day and night fights and shelling by artillery.
21: 00 on the airport-Spartak-YaBP front line under heavy art fire.
21: 00 battle near the village Kalinovo (LC).
21: 10 is a very strong shelling of our high-rise on the Svetlodarskaya arc. Ours also respond.
21: 30 under shelling of the southern front near the villages of Kominternovo and Sakhanka.
21: 50, east of Svetlodarsk, battles and shelling are rattling, the Ukrainian Armed Forces do not fire at the squares of the field and land the LC.
22: 30 suburbs of Gorlovka under shelling of Ukrainian 152-mm artillery, shells fly from Dzerzhinsk.
23: 00 is shelling the whole front, ours respond. Used rifle, grenade launchers, mortars, artillery, equipment and MLRS.

"The Ukrainian security forces transferred to the front area near Debaltseve, where fierce battles were taking place, Acacia self-propelled howitzers and a man of personnel before 400," said Eduard Basurin.

During the day we were shot at 3002 times! Record for three years of war.
Of these: minami caliber 82-mm and 120-mm - 1822 times, projectiles of the caliber 122-mm and 152-mm - 114 times, tank shells of the caliber 125-mm - 13 times, missiles 122-mm - 16 times, others shelling was carried out from grenade launchers, equipment and various small arms.

24.12.16, Saturday.
01: 05 all evening and deep into the night residents of Horlivka hear shelling. The self-propelled guns of the carnation shoot 122-mm projectiles from the area of ​​the Ukrainian Armed Forces positions near Dzerzhinsk. Under fire, the villages of Ozerianovka, Mikhaylovka0 Wide gully.09: 00 several mine arrivals in the area of ​​Dokuchaevsk, Airport, YaBP.
12: 00 in the Wide Beam area positional battles and firing mines.

Until the evening it was quiet, even on the Svetlodar arch it became quieter.

20: 00 on Svetlodar arc began vespers battles and shelling.
21: 00 began mortar shelling Airport, APU used 82-mm and 120-mm mortars, hit the squares.

"There is evidence that due to the arbitrariness of the 46 military personnel of the 10 battalion of the mountain assault brigade, in the village of Novoluganskoye more than 40 local residents were forced to leave their homes," Basurin said. The deputy commander noted that the Ukrainian leadership continues to consider its resolution to the resolution of the conflict as aggressive, including by violating the basic rights of its own people.

During the day we were shot at 224 times, of which: mines of caliber 82-mm and 120-mm - 76 times, shells of 122-mm and 152-mm - 24 times, the rest of the shelling was carried out from grenade launchers, equipment and various small arms.

25.12.16, Sunday.
09: 00 Four 120-mm mines exploded at the Airport. The DPR is not responding and is following a truce with 00: December 00 24.
From Avdiivka to Krasnoarmeysk (the distance between these occupied by the Ukrainian military, the cities of Donbass is about 50 kilometers) December 25, in the morning hours 10, a convoy of five army tractors departed. Each of the towers was carrying something similar to an artillery gun covered by a tarpaulin. Soon it was possible to establish that the towers of the Ukrainian army are pulling in tow, not guns, but fake models of D-30 howitzers made of wood.

The submission with props to the commander of the Armed Forces of Ukraine needed to portray the implementation of the Minsk agreements, in which the Ukrainian side was obliged to withdraw heavy weapons from the front line to a distance exceeding the maximum range of heavy artillery volleys. It was not by chance that the command of the Ukrainian army took up the fake diversion of heavy artillery on the eve of the New Year holidays, in order to throw dust into the eyes of international observers and the mass media with ostentatious peacefulness.

Meanwhile, the intelligence of the DPR army knows that in fact, the real command of the Armed Forces of the Armed Forces and military equipment is not diverting right now, but on the contrary, arranging it along the entire front line, hiding it from prying eyes with means of winter camouflage.

20: 00 to the west and north of Gorlovka positional battles and mortar attacks.

Our intelligence continues to record the strengthening of the position of the APU near the front line. So, in the town of Swallow (9 km from the front) to enhance 58-th separate motorized infantry brigade arrived howitzer self-propelled artillery battalion from the 55-th separate artillery brigade, composed 14 ACS "Acacia" 152-mm, and in the village The thin (9 km from the front) revealed the duty positions of the three OSR "Wasp". In addition, under Gorlovka, in the village of Vershina (12 km from the front), the APU pulled five SAU "Acacia" 152-mm, and in the village of Semigorye near Debaltseve (7 km from the front) firing positions of seven towed howitzers D-30 122- were detected mm On the southern front in the village of Mirnoye (11 km from the front), to reinforce the positions of the 56-th separate motorized infantry brigade, the arrival before 200 of a personnel of the Sich nationalist battalion of Ukraine was noted.

Over the last day of the week, we were shot at 189 times, of them: with mines of caliber 82-mm and 120-mm - 34 times, the other shelling was carried out from grenade launchers, equipment and various small arms.

According to the information of the “GO Group, Alert Group”, over a week, more than 200 people died on both sides in the Debaltsevo-Svetlodarsk area, about 700 were injured. It is on both sides.

All patience and health! ".
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  1. Zibelew
    Zibelew 28 December 2016 09: 30
    +4
    Nothing depends on the Kiev gop company here. They can only exacerbate the situation, kill many more people. But strategically they lost. The people of Donbass in fact defended their freedom.
    1. siberalt
      siberalt 28 December 2016 09: 56
      0
      General losses on both sides, of course it is necessary, but it is better to know separately. hi
    2. vovanpain
      vovanpain 28 December 2016 09: 56
      +7
      Thank you, Sergey, for the summary, when at least they will be enlightened to these ukroratorel. negative
    3. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 28 December 2016 10: 48
      +3
      Greetings to readers! As always, a full summary of the photo and video material can be found on the blog of Chervontsa.
      http://chervonec-001.livejournal.com/1717438.html
      1. Lelek
        Lelek 28 December 2016 11: 09
        +2
        Quote: Sith Lord
        Lord of the Sith


        Hello, Sergey.
        As always ample and detailed. How many kilotons of iron are in your long-suffering land. The State Duma of the Russian Federation is debating about the issuance of Russian passports to the citizens of the LPR and DPR and the recognition of the independence of the republics. What are the sentiments among the "masses" in this regard?
        Well, hang on there, men, and with the upcoming New Year, I hope it will be better than the old 2016.
        1. Lord of the Sith
          Lord of the Sith 28 December 2016 11: 13
          +8
          Greetings, well, we have every hope for a positive decision regarding us! And my opinion at the end of May everything will be clear)
          1. Lelek
            Lelek 28 December 2016 11: 21
            +2
            Quote: Sith Lord
            And my opinion at the end of May everything will already be clear


            God grant. If only our egg-headed whites do not "speak" the question, as it has been more than once. "And what will Princess Marya Aleksevna say?" - this look is inherent in our "creators".
      2. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 28 December 2016 11: 29
        +3
        Quote: Sith Lord
        As always,

        And as always, thank you, Vladyka! Yes, on the 23rd dill mines were poured three days ahead. And periodically the caliber of 155 mm flashes. Any "White Paladdin"? request
        1. Lord of the Sith
          Lord of the Sith 28 December 2016 12: 01
          +3
          Polish Krab 155 mm licensed to produce. The first 155-mm shells were fired at Gorlovka in 2015. And with us at the Airport a little later. Now we don’t hear her and I don’t see photos of the facts. But according to reports near Mariupol now works.
          1. Paranoid50
            Paranoid50 29 December 2016 22: 01
            +3
            Quote: Sith Lord
            Polish Krab 155 mm

            Found, then it rides there.
            1. Lord of the Sith
              Lord of the Sith 29 December 2016 23: 15
              +1
              And he will take two shots and change his position, then after about half an hour again two or three.
              I even know from the arrivals of shells that she is. APU are too lazy to change positions.
              1. Paranoid50
                Paranoid50 29 December 2016 23: 18
                +2
                Quote: Sith Lord
                takes two shots and changes position

                Isn't there a Polish crew in it? Very careful tactics with "harassing" fire.
                1. Lord of the Sith
                  Lord of the Sith 29 December 2016 23: 20
                  +1
                  Honestly I do not know. Shards of 155 mm were found and handed over to the OSCE under cameras.
  2. Sergey F
    Sergey F 28 December 2016 09: 31
    +5
    Who will calm down this gang, called the Ukrainian army!
    They provoke constantly, hiding behind the lies and deceit of their own population!
    I really want to believe that the Donbass is ready to defend its freedom and protect its inhabitants from this scourge!
    Guys, we are with you!
  3. Spartanez300
    Spartanez300 28 December 2016 09: 43
    +2
    This massacre of the end and the edge is not visible, in the 21st century there is a war in Europe, people went crazy.
  4. max702
    max702 28 December 2016 09: 57
    +1
    There will be nothing supernatural in the near future .. although Russia now has in their hands a carte blanche for actions in Ukraine they won’t change anything there .. The current war with grinding forces and forces will be just as sluggish, but there will be no drastic measures! They are waiting for the new US condom and how much the policy regarding Ukraine will change .. Then they will finally solve this issue .. In the meantime, alas, blood will flow and people die ..
    1. Yuyuka
      Yuyuka 28 December 2016 12: 05
      0
      In the near future there will be nothing beyond natural ..

      I always want to believe in the best ... however, Turchinov's statement about the liberation of Donbass in 2017 speaks of something else - about preparation for a different scenario. Now Trump's opponents are racing to leave him with as many problems as possible, and Ukraine is trying to play the role of a leader in this. The untwisted flywheel cannot be stopped right away, and in this I agree with the Sith Lord that it will take a long time to clear up ... Perhaps even an aggravation before Trump's accession to the throne, and Ukraine will not be his priority ... hi
  5. maxxdesign
    maxxdesign 28 December 2016 10: 15
    +2
    I think after January 20th, the bucket and the company will have to molt over the hill ... if Trump does not lie, then he will cancel up to 70% of monkey decrees, including support for the ruins and the gang ... but in these 25 days the bucket can still do a lot of things do it, just like the macaque leaving the post, trying to do more shit everywhere
  6. basil200
    basil200 28 December 2016 10: 17
    +2
    And where is the OSCE? Or did they leave?
    1. rotmistr60
      rotmistr60 28 December 2016 10: 40
      0
      And where is the OSCE?

      Christmas holidays with them. Tired of not working, and lying in favor of the APU has become much more difficult.
  7. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 28 December 2016 10: 32
    0
    Where are you from? Or again then Russia will be to blame ..... and the butcher Poroshenko with all the shushary will soon win differently .... if they are pulled by the leash after Trump arrived ...... whoever needs them, now this is global for them question...
  8. Siniy
    Siniy 28 December 2016 11: 10
    +1
    I can’t understand why both parties to the conflict do not comply with the Geneva Convention on the Treatment of Prisoners of War?
    recently watched footage from the Donbass, militias behave rudely with Ukrainian prisoners of war, humiliating their honor and dignity.
    1. Yuyuka
      Yuyuka 28 December 2016 11: 56
      +1
      I can’t understand why both parties to the conflict do not comply with the Geneva Convention on the Treatment of Prisoners of War?
      recently watched footage from the Donbass, militias behave rudely with Ukrainian prisoners of war, humiliating their honor and dignity.


      the beginning of the commentary is good, but the second part "with ears" winked judging by your statement, both sides are the LPR and the DPR request
      1. Siniy
        Siniy 28 December 2016 12: 02
        +1
        The treatment of prisoners of war is a big problem in any war. During the conflict, the warring parties accumulate hatred for each other, and there is a temptation to remove everything from an unarmed prisoner. Perhaps the solution was to transfer all prisoners of war to a third, neutral side, at least in the 21st century it is necessary to stop the ill-treatment of prisoners
        1. Paranoid50
          Paranoid50 28 December 2016 18: 53
          +6
          Quote: Siniy
          I can not understand why

          Here's the key phrase. Alas, sir, this understanding can only appear from the inside, only on the spot, only there ... For there are moments in life that can only be realized by living them, feeling them with every cell. I cannot tell you how I would behave in this situation, for one simple reason - I don’t know .... BUT !!! For two years now I have had an antidote to such speculations - letters from the children of Donbass about the war. Two years ago, I came across a letter from Katya Yakovleva from Luhansk (6 years old), I remembered these lines: “Most of all I am afraid that my father and mother will not be killed. Otherwise, I will not be able to save my little brother, who is six months old. me ... "And now I ask you - is this" problem "big or small ?!
  9. svp67
    svp67 28 December 2016 11: 25
    0
    under fire the Donetsk filter station, one ammunition hit the filter building, two fell in front of the building. At the time of the shelling, station employees were at workplaces, but continued to carry out their duties. Currently, the DFS is operating normally.
    But these are war crimes ...
  10. Ivan Ivanov
    Ivan Ivanov 28 December 2016 12: 49
    +1
    It will continue until we recognize and stand up the army. So it was in Georgia and Transnistria. There’s no one to talk to and it’s useless
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket 28 December 2016 13: 24
      +2
      When this whole Kiev bunch of people in the person of Poroshenko (Valtsman) Yarosh Groisman Berez and other Nazis "calm down" have already got everyone not only in Donbass, but also in our country.
      It is necessary to give the residents of the DPR and LPR passports of Russia, or if our government does not dare to do so, then give them full freedom to respond to the shelling by the Kiev regime and, most importantly, give them weapons and render all possible political support.
      1. Ivan Ivanov
        Ivan Ivanov 29 December 2016 13: 00
        0
        They want to come to an agreement with the "partners". What is there more, external or internal pressure is not clear. what I want to believe in a delay of time, the Yeltsin center is in the way.
  11. rus-5819
    rus-5819 28 December 2016 13: 34
    0
    Quote: Alexey-74
    Where are you from? Or again then Russia will be to blame ..... and the butcher Poroshenko with all the shushary will soon win differently .... if they are pulled by the leash after Trump arrived ...... whoever needs them, now this is global for them question...

    I asked this question at the beginning of the December events, but no intelligible gestures followed from the "euro guarantees". Maybe the calm before the storm? Most likely, Europe is not up to the 404th now, it would be better to leave your pants clean, otherwise Putin again "threatens" in Europe, as well as laughing in America to hold their own elections, and the hackers he is so-and-so-and-so evil !!!!!!! laughing am