Turkish combat losses under the Syrian city of al-Bab

A table recently appeared on the network with data on Turkish military equipment lined up in Syria. According to the data, the Turkish army lost at least ten during the assault on the city of Al-Bab tanks Leopard 2A4.

Earlier, the Ministry of Defense of Turkey reinforced the units assaulting the Syrian city of Al-Baba with a tank battalion armed with Leopard 2A4. This battalion was part of one of the 1 units of the Army Corps, protecting Istanbul, the straits and the European part of the country.

Published by bloggers, all new photographic materials about the downed Turkish technology, suggest that the data in the table is not so far from reality.

Comments

[oleg-gr]

Here is a comparison between the armored vehicles of NATO and the Russian Federation. Better advertising is not necessary.

[210ox]

What comparison? Between what and with what? T90 and Leopard of the latest modification? So those wrecked Turkish cars should be compared with T72 more likely ..

Quote: oleg-gr

Here is a comparison between the armored vehicles of NATO and the Russian Federation. Better advertising is not necessary.

[Muvka]

Quote: 210ox

What comparison? Between what and with what? T90 and Leopard of the latest modification? So those wrecked Turkish cars should be compared with T72 more likely ..

Quote: oleg-gr

Here is a comparison between the armored vehicles of NATO and the Russian Federation. Better advertising is not necessary.

But nothing that 72 since 1973 began to be produced, and Leo 2A4 since 1985? Maybe different generations? Although if you have a T-72B3 - then let's compare ... And not the T-72 that are in Syria and Iraq (stock without anything).

[210ox]

It doesn’t matter what kind of stock or top! Turks here obviously fell into a trap .. It’s not a matter of technology, even ours would be, the result was the same.

Quote: Muvka

Quote: 210ox

What comparison? Between what and with what? T90 and Leopard of the latest modification? So those wrecked Turkish cars should be compared with T72 more likely ..

Quote: oleg-gr

Here is a comparison between the armored vehicles of NATO and the Russian Federation. Better advertising is not necessary.

But nothing that 72 since 1973 began to be produced, and Leo 2A4 since 1985? Maybe different generations? Although if you have a T-72B3 - then let's compare ... And not the T-72 that are in Syria and Iraq (stock without anything).

[Muvka]

I just want to say that their tanks are not better than ours. That's all. In a real battle, it turned out that Leo is not the best tank in the world, as they describe it in their magazines, making tops in order to better sell their iron.

[Pirogov]

Quote: Muvka

I just want to say that their tanks are not better than ours. That's all. In a real battle, it turned out that Leo is not the best tank in the world, as they describe it in their magazines, making tops in order to better sell their iron.

So these are German tanks, and if there were French or British, there would be one big ass there!

[Butt]

Here !!! Leclerc ... or what about the urban battle - with a 3-meter dump of street battles - maybe it's pure halam-la-lyam for babos ... like in NATE - the loot is ahead of us?

[210ox]

It’s better in something. Thermal imaging equipment, optics, vetronics .. In terms of simplicity and reliability, ours are better, I agree ..

Quote: Muvka

I just want to say that their tanks are not better than ours. That's all. In a real battle, it turned out that Leo is not the best tank in the world, as they describe it in their magazines, making tops in order to better sell their iron.

[Dryuya2]

2016-12-26 19:04:00
http://kerzak-1.livejournal.com/4482456.html
VKS supported the Turks
On Sunday, the Russian Aerospace Forces launched airstrikes for the first time in a long time on the city of Al-Bab in the northeast of Aleppo province, occupied by Islamic State terrorists. In addition, for the first time during the war, Russian aviation thus provided direct support to the Turkish army, which had been storming the city for over a month.
According to a military source at the Kuweyris airbase, the Su-24 and Su-34 bombers bombed Al-Babu, destroying several pieces of equipment from the IS fighters as a result.
Nevertheless, despite support from the Russian Air Forces, Turkish army units were unable to keep Al-Faruk hospital and Jabal al-Akyl high: IG terrorists managed to blow up a bomb-filled car with a suicide bomber at the Turkish military’s positions.
Relations between the governments of the Russian Federation and Turkey are currently experiencing a noticeable warming, which put an end to the disagreements that arose after the Russian Su-24 bomber was shot down by Turkish air forces in northern Latakia last year.
from Kerzhak
The fact of support means not only the rapprochement of the positions of Moscow and Ankara, but also the fact that the Turks without the United States - by themselves - are relatively ill-equipped in the conditions of a modern war.
The tens of already burned dozens of armored vehicles have proved that, and now - our air support. I personally assess this situation strictly positively - the relative weakness of the Turks is much more beneficial for us than their unconditional strength.

[NordUral]

All this is true, but we must not forget how the Ottoman Empire fought. It is better to consider a potential enemy strong than weak.

[clidon]

Simplicity and reliability? How much does the engine with transmission change on the T-72? What about the trunk?
The Leopard is a great tank and is probably the best in the world right now. These photos do not say anything at all - in such conditions any tanks of the world would burn.

[Stabilization]

and now tell it to the Americans, Jews, French, Germans and others .... but not to us here

[The stranger]

In which world?
It seems to be suitable for the climate in North Africa, but for the available staff, it lives until the first meeting with the RPG. It turns out - trash.
In the rest of the world, where can he just skate? In the mountains maybe? In the plains flooded by meltwater or rains can? Under blown up dams maybe? How often across rivers in crowds are bridges that can withstand 70 tons on tracks? How many times per hour, how many per day? How long will bridges survive under bombing? After how many kilometers on average are rivers in densely populated areas? How often are stone fords in them?
And already without a protocol. What is this tank better than the rest? Yes, at what sharply categorically :)

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Muvka

But nothing that 72 since 1973 began to be produced, and Leo 2A4 since 1985? Maybe different generations?

Not completely different - the base Leo-2 began to be produced in 1979.
You just need to compare the modifications-contemporaries: for 2A4 it will be the T-72B.

[Muvka]

And the base T-72 since 1973. Anyway, it’s not equal. Let’s then with the T-80 and specifically with the T-80U.

[Muvka]

In general, this Leo peer T-90. Why can not be compared?

[Butt]

Can you summarize the preliminary results for tank biathlon in the East? The Germans are already panicking with their 2A4 Leopards, the Americans, starting in Iraq, are sweating very closely from RPG 7. What is left over? Full scrap metal ????

[Muvka]

The rest is: Soviet / Russian tanks are not as bad as they are said. I just want to say that. And then they compare the stock 72s who fought with the Abrams, supported by the Apaches, and say that this is trash. Here are the fighting. The real ones. No more words needed.

[Butt]

No doubt I agree. In Iraq, the strikers crumbled the Strykers, I don’t know if there was a duel with Abram, but an interesting bunch is obtained. Our tanks in Iraq were practically not used in a covert (ambush) or direct attack, and were thrown by crews. Statistics are few ... sorry.

[voyaka uh]

"I don't know if there was a duel with Abram, but it turns out to be an interesting combination.
Our tanks in Iraq were practically not used in a covert (ambush) or direct attack "///

There were duels. There were ambushes on the Abrams, there were direct attacks.
Abrams proved to be excellent in all cases. Forehead to the forehead against the tank - this is his "strong point". For this, it was created as a "tank destroyer". At the same time, leaving weak sides - the sides of the hull are especially weak.

[cosmos111]

voyaka uh
Especially for you statistics of launches of ATGM rebels for November (on 16 .11.) 16-years.
That they did not write disu.

[Asadullah]

Abrams proved to be excellent in all cases. Forehead to the forehead against the tank - this is his "strong point". For this, it was created as a "tank destroyer"

Yes, not only. Admittedly, the Abrams tank is successful. Another thing is that all the cars are burning, and there are no invincibles. And so, engineering Abramsya is over, it’s nice to see:

[Butt]

Heh! This is clear. The Americans have armored foreheads in tanks, and warriors have. They walk perpendicularly! And it is known that resistance is organized. armored - the purchased Iraqi command did not render. They burned the Americans manually ... Something I didn’t hear (I don’t argue) that the desperate Iraqi crew had a duel with Abrams ??? Tell me where?

[Maz]

There is a lack of tactical experience among the crews and command. Half are ditched by long-range missiles. quarter on mines. How is it - study military affairs in this way, comrades of the Turks, otherwise we will come and check
Signature: 72 SMEs.

[ultra]

Quote: Muvka

compare stock 72ki

"Stock" is what?

[guzik007]

Completely "FOR" How the second cat was advertised in the west ....
And then such a bummer ...

[The stranger]

Why, female pads are advertised for sure more than that. So - not the most advertised product :)
And yes, it’s a bummer, you can’t argue.

[Skubudu]

Quote: 210ox

What comparison? Between what and with what? T90 and Leopard of the latest modification? So those wrecked Turkish cars should be compared with T72 more likely ..

Quote: oleg-gr

Here is a comparison between the armored vehicles of NATO and the Russian Federation. Better advertising is not necessary.

That's when they will have Leopard -3, then we will compare Leopard -2 with T-72
And at present, it is just necessary to compare Leopard-2, Abrams, Merkava with the T-90, no matter what modifications they are, we compare the extreme models that are in service and are participating in the database ..
Whoever said that ... the grenades of the wrong system ... the card did not lie down ... lucky / unlucky ...
But not a single T-90 was destroyed in a year and a half of fighting in Syria.
Abrams burned in Iraq, burn in Yemen and again in Iraq.
The Merkavas-4 burned in Lebanon in 2006, I am sure that if they got to Syria 2015-2016, they might not burn as brightly as in 2006, thanks to Trophy ... but they would burn ...
Leopard 2 did not have time to call in Syria, they already suffer the most severe losses.
Well-known comrades will write that they say the T-90 is used little and in not very dangerous directions, or wisely used .... We know how the Syrians are fighting ... wisely use ... it's not about them .... Just the T-90 really cool tank, the best of those in service.

[Butt]

But the T90 did not have an open match with these machines? Or was there a direct duel ??? Who knows ....

[Muvka]

That's just the point, there was no duel, and Leopard is the best tank in the world (according to their versions). What does it mean?

[Butt]

On anti-tank weapons, this is a special conversation. From ambush to weak spots. The T90 did not enter into an armed battle, not by distance, not by maneuver and position. I believe that protecting the T90 from weapons is not a bad thing, but from a direct shot of an Abram or Leo gun .... from a distance of! 000 m. ??? This is a different angle.

[guzik007]

But why? After all, thesis tanks do not fight tanks - no one has yet canceled.
We must clearly understand why tanks are needed in a modern war, and what forces are counteracting them in the current realities.
Then you can test whose tanks are better now. An example of this is our T-90, which, being controlled by not the most trained crew, after a direct hit by a modern ATGM remains on the move .... And the LEO, burning like a candle, after a charge hits it from the distant 70s ...

[Butt]

Succumbed to these idiotic statistics of the West, which all translate to a confrontation or a specific match, in the sense that it seems to decide who and in what superiority. Aging, I forget that it is not iron that decides success in battle .... respect to you !!!

[Butt]

I am an artilleryman, Baltic coast artillery. Anti-tank shooting took place in training, gunner. I understand that the use of tanks is a very complex interaction, city battles, combat on the offensive, on the defensive .... for me, tank battle tactics is a complex topic. on this and I decide the question simply - to give the director of the rapprochement and the area of ​​maneuver and who whom ...

[guzik007]

Butt
... You can be understood. For when the coast hits ... Then there are only squares: =) ... Squares worn down to the fuzz ... Here all sorts of leopards and t-90 do not matter at all ...: = )))

[Butt]

I'm trying to figure it out! And you ........ me in the bin!

[BARKHAN]

Quote: Butt

I'm an artilleryman

As one of my acquaintances an artilleryman said over a glass of tea ... "An artilleryman is a hammer, all that he sees is nails for him ..."

[Strength]

Here he is captured

[Muvka]

You do not see the difference between "destroyed" and "captured"? Then I'm sorry for you ...

[Butt]

Do you think it is out of order?

[Muvka]

The man uploaded the video in response to a comment that there was no information about the destroyed T-90s in Syria. Click on the arrow in his comment. And I say that the captured tank! = Destroyed.

[Butt]

I do not agree. the captured object is not destroyed. Stupid logic. The machine gun beaten off in battle ... finished? Ammunition - solving problems, weapons without a crew - zero! Similarly, crew without a tank - zero ... Too smart for you!

[Muvka]

You do not understand me, alas. This is exactly what I am saying. Once again, please click on the up arrow at the comment with the video and read the original comment.

[Strength]

Destroyed? You are welcome.

[Butt]

The toe is a pipe, preparation of a shot ... launch (I don’t understand the delay - taking a target?) Shot ... T90 smokes, but does not burn. A clear stump a blow of 3 degrees is met by a charge of 300-500 sharply it doesn’t ... cannot even burn armor. Then what are Leo and Brahms ???

[Muvka]

And how do you recognize in this capacity that it is a T-90?

[svp67]

Quote: Force

Destroyed? You are welcome.

It is difficult to determine the model, but even if it is considered the T-90, then it is NOT DESTROYED, but LOCKED. That is subject to recovery

[Strength]

Well, not destroyed. You can sit down and go on. The smoke from the hatch is not from breaking through, this metal is smoking.

[Butt]

And why is the comparison not correct? Armata and combat 90th ???

[Strength]

View from above. Armata has nothing to do with it, just in the frame.

[Butt]

Stop! this is a joke? how does armata have nothing to do with it?

[Crimean partisan 1974]

so you do staged vidio? I don’t advise, it will hurt you to fall if specifically the specialists take

[svp67]

Quote: Force

Well, not destroyed. You can sit down and go on.

It may well be that the tank remained on track. So that you are ironic in vain. Have you ever had to talk to real tanks?
I will say more, I won’t be surprised if this is it, as it is clear that this tank is after repair ...

[Butt]

I do not understand sarcasm. 90s work, do not burn like candles, quickly recover - is that ... bad ???

[Butt]

Are you showing the configuration of the 90th?

[akribos]

It can be seen that the crew smokes a hookah. Syrians love. Therefore the smoke! Sincerely.

[Lesorub]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzAnFUd8VOE Захваченные Leopard 2.

[mareco]

That T-90, that Leo A4, too little participated in the battles to draw conclusions about the steepness or wretchedness of a tank.
T-90 really does not glow much in combat active operations.
We only saw how 90 hit in the forehead, how it will endure in the bosom is unknown. How will he keep our Cornet, how many crew members are injured and killed, etc. Many factors need to be considered and too little information at the moment. At least in open sources.
And to call it the best ... He at least does not see as well as some Western tanks, and this is important in a modern war.

[Skubudu]

Quote: Mareco

T-90 really does not glow much in combat active operations.
We only saw how 90 hit in the forehead, how it will endure in the bosom is unknown. How will he keep our Cornet, how many crew members are injured and killed, etc. Many factors need to be considered and too little information at the moment. At least in open sources.
And to call it the best ... He at least does not see as well as some Western tanks, and this is important in a modern war.

Video of ATGM hits in the T-90 was enough, they appeared on YouTube and disappeared, just the shooting results were not in favor of ATGMs, and for this reason these videos have sunk into oblivion. The sponsors of Black / Green are not profitable with such videos, they needed videos of burning T-90s with towers torn off the line, but the towers do not want to fly off the T-90 ...

[Butt]

I believe that the T90 was hollowed from different distances and ATGMs and cumulative and sub-caliber and different, as I understand it, defeat from nuclear weapons is also included in the standard survivability of a tank ?! I’m confident in our cars from my life - I saw with my own eyes how constant exercises and exercises were conducted in the USSR in the tank regiment that lived next to us ... and always admired. that these are parts of the first strike — suicide bombers according to our tactical and strategic plans.

[The stranger]

Well, this is how it goes ...
Nobody tells them that they are suicide bombers, so they themselves are not going to die. So we must still marry them with death, but it also does not always and not everyone succeeds.

[Butt]

I can add one thing - in 1979 I took the levers 62 ... it is not convenient for intellectuals who are used to fighting with a cigarette ... I walked about 3.5 km along the training ground .. I got a lot of cones, but the tank became my skin.

[The stranger]

And it is - the whole army is a strange place for intellectuals. She got rid of me - and she had a holiday :)
And I always had cones from tanks, even on the spot :) - I’m a long one. Only you can’t get anywhere when serving on you is a piece of iron :) And we will not go anywhere without you, and you without us. Here is such a love, to the grave.

[voyaka uh]

"But not a single T-90 was destroyed in a year and a half of fighting in Syria" ///

Right. One was captured, but not one was destroyed.
Now tell me: how many T-90s are fighting in Syria? In my estimation, approximately
15 pieces. It would be greater and losses would probably increase.

"T-90 is used little and in not very dangerous directions, or they use it competently ..." ///

Competently. During the ISIS counterattack against the SA, attacking the Zohar (after the first liberation of Palmyra), the Desert Eagles tankers on the T-90 (remember, the Mowgli commander) were the first to rush ... to retreat.
Not a single tank is lost, that's right. Saved the technique .

I do not argue that the T-90 is significantly enhanced in armor protection compared to the T-72, and works well in Syria . But to say that he would not be the best.

[cosmos111]

1. Where does the 15 data come from, are there Pruffs (or some fantasies ???)
2. Pinned however. Ramuseh in Aleppo is a quiet direction, and the campaign of the "Falcons" to Tabka is again deza / LIES !!!
3. One of the farms from the "Tigers" unit lost in the Malakh area simply stalled, they could not start.
4.TOW 2 hit the right cheekbone of the tower, without armor penetration.

[voyaka uh]

"Where did the data about 15 units come from" ///

How many T-90s are in Syria according to your information?

[cosmos111]

I have no idea military secret.
Throughout the info .. from free sources about 30-40 units.
And all at the forefront of the main blow.
Not any secondary fronts.
Here is the info from the VO-forum: not everything, but a lot of interesting things.

http://forum.topwar.ru/topic/3406-bronetehnika-v-
antiterroristicheskoy-voyne-v-sirii /? page = 11
Cement factory battle video from 14.08.16.

[svp67]

The T-90 is of some strange color, like after a repair, as the painted rubber aprons and fenders speak of ...
I will offer the same video ...

[cosmos111]

The battles for V. Aleppo. (City battle) not one T-90 was not hit.

[activator]

Quote: voyaka uh

Now tell me: how many T-90s are fighting in Syria? In my estimation, approximately
15 pieces. It would be greater and losses would probably increase.

Flashed infa that thirty, and your estimates are based on what? And what are the losses today ton 90

Quote: voyaka uh

tankers "Desert Eagles" on the T-90 (remember, the commander of the "Mowgli") were the first to rush ... to retreat.

And what does this prove? in any case, they didn’t leave them like the Turks.

[cosmos111]

And how is Leo A 4 different from Leo A 7?
SLA more modern on the turret in the frontal projection built-up arm armor.
Feed and feed as they were in the first modifications remained unchanged.

[Scoun]

Quote: 210ox

So those wrecked Turkish cars should be compared with the T72 rather ..
Quote: oleg-gr

What kind of pantalik can they be compared to?
Yes, they have a difference in weight over 15-20 tons !!! of two leopards, two 30-ton tanks could be riveted.
PS.
The leopard behaved like a 60-ton colossus poorly. although not all tanks were burnt in the photo.

[Aleksandr69]

rather, tankers need to be compared, not tanks

[Muvka]

Well, Indiffeent, now you have enough info? Respond, if not a coward.

[OLD FART]

Quote: oleg-gr

Here is a comparison between the armored vehicles of NATO and the Russian Federation. Better advertising is not necessary.

So we still have old tanks ..... In general, taking such a large city of Alleppo is a huge plus for the Syrian army and our advisers (well, the support of the air forces also played an important role) And I think our special services played one of the main roles there ... (but we won’t know about it)))) And the Turks, of course, were perleted right through, here are the losses ... There they have a mess in the Army and tear apart a concrete one ..

[cniza]

So we got the trial operation of Western equipment.

[Monarchist]

Old men. You are right that Turks are like perl sheep. I have long read: Turks often neglect the fundamental norms of tactics. They traditionally have a very poor combination of actions (the latest patch is an example of this). All their tactics: drag like a herd of sheep

[Lord of the Sith]

The Turkish Army is comparable to the Armed Forces in the organization and experience of officers. The same mistakes and the same losses.

[voyaka uh]

"The Turkish Army is comparable to the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the organization and experience of officers. The same mistakes and the same losses." ////

This is not true. And they have small losses.
Although due to mass dismissals and arrests of officers (due to
"supposedly" attempts at putsch) the army is not in the best shape.

[Maz]

So they do not fight much, they repulse and retreat. Aviation and artukha yes. And where there is live contact - no success.

[Skubudu]

What do those countries that bought it in large quantities and put it into service now think about this "Paper Leopard-2" ... Here l ... and ...
Saudis 100 pounds now turnips are scratching how to refuse a contract for the purchase of 600 Leopard.

[voyaka uh]

Leopard got serious combat experience. Germans him of course
will strengthen, as far as possible, according to the results of battles in the Turkish army.
DZ there, screens. Maybe KAZ will add. And his rating will increase.

[Butt]

Fuck you in the face! MAKE CONCLUSIONS? Do not tell my boots, in Israel, those who darted from the Soviet Union made you Merkava, but now there are none, and you have no brains for development. did you constantly eat from the Russians? .... We look ... we observe ...

[Muvka]

Quote: voyaka uh

Leopard got serious combat experience. Germans him of course
will strengthen, as far as possible, according to the results of battles in the Turkish army.
DZ there, screens. Maybe KAZ will add. And his rating will increase.

And also the price and weight. The second mouse? Or do you think that additional screens and DZ do not weigh anything?

[katalonec2014]

They patted them, and even the Kurds at home ached.

[Holoy]

They have enough resources. I think that as soon as experience is gained, success will immediately go ...

[svp67]

Quote: Holoy

I think as soon as experience is gained, success will go right away ...

And you were not interested in how many years the Turkish army has been fighting? With short breaks since 1984. How many more years is needed to get combat experience?

[KaPToC]

Not in the horse feed

[Holoy]

The Turkish Army apparently has little experience. They wondered how I would look right on the march ... and where is the intelligence?

[Holoy]

It is better not to use tanks at all when attacking a city; you need to complete assault troops and train battle tactics in the city ...

[Muvka]

Something you do not express such thoughts in relation to the T-72/90. There is no analytics about urban fights. Immediately - a ram tank and you don’t want to listen to any arguments.

[activator]

Quote: Muvka

Something you do not express such thoughts in relation to the T-72/90. There is no analytics about urban fights. Immediately - a ram tank and you don’t want to listen to any arguments.

By the way, yes, they begin to sculpt a bunch of excuses and with foam at the mouth I also expected more from Leo, but a miracle didn’t happen. If I had fought Leo for five years, I suspect that the bill would be 1 to 3 per one in the trash torn 72, 3 damaged Leo so that it’s still unknown what is better.

[Holoy]

Duc on the T-72, our people are dying. Therefore, we must point out the shortcomings ...

I came to the conclusion that tanks would only be needed for the campaign in a large-scale war with the PLA, where the front would be large ... and where the PLA also had tanks to fig!

As for the Turks, they will draw conclusions ...

[svp67]

Quote: Holoy

It is better not to use tanks at all when storming a city.

Like you so ... you have enough teeth and claws ...

[The stranger]

No, he still needs a nipple from a bottle of milk.

[Same lech]

An amazing thing ... our VKS covered the Turks after the defeat under AL-BABA.

[svp67]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

An amazing thing ... our VKS covered the Turks after the defeat under AL-BABA.

It is a pity that we have good sights and pilots, disciplined ... it was necessary to miss, for the Su-24.

[Runoway]

This is not for you to shoot at Su-24! Here is a real "answer", not a tomato

[Siny]

The Turks are not particularly able to fight them even the most modern weapons.

[alavrin]

In the photo I really saw only one Heavily damaged. And the phrase: "a table has recently appeared on the network" reminds of the messages of dill volunteers about millions of dead GRU officers.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: alavrin

Heavily damaged

I mean one? In the photo there are 2 different Leopards, this can be seen from the hatches on the towers.

[cap]

The list is impressive. And the question arises whether the Turks are such "warriors", or the Kurds have become professionals during the war years.
The second question is what kind of NATO standards are these if the list of losses draws several kilobaks.

[padded jacket]

Leopards 2 also fly off the tower.

[padded jacket]

And this one seemed to run for a long time (judging by the traces) until he was caught by terrorists.

[sedoj]

Quote: quilted jacket

And this one seemed to run for a long time (judging by the traces) until he was caught by terrorists.

So this is probably the watchman of the olive garden from a shotgun pulnul. And then nehru in a strange garden on a tank roll. Not?

[cap]

Quote: sedoj

Quote: quilted jacket

And this one seemed to run for a long time (judging by the traces) until he was caught by terrorists.

So this is probably the watchman of the olive garden from a shotgun pulnul. And then nehru in a strange garden on a tank roll. Not?

It tickled while firing a machine gun

[padded jacket]

Quote: cap

And the question arises whether the Turks are such "warriors", or the Kurds have become professionals during the war years.

It was the "black" ones who burned them.

[Butt]

Hospital area - in the hospital area, is it all losses in only one area? How many clicked there? Almost a couple of mouths in one sitting ???

[Monarchist]

In my youth, I read somewhere: the Turks often neglect elementary tactics and the rod is like sheep, and when they meet resistance they can panic. They traditionally have bad coordination of actions (the last patch is an example of this). Whether it is reliable or not, but during the invasion of Cyprus, as if their Air Force "successfully" bombed their ships

[timgan777]

Quote: svp67

Quote: The same LYOKHA

An amazing thing ... our VKS covered the Turks after the defeat under AL-BABA.

It is a pity that we have good pilots and sights ... it was necessary to miss, for the Su-24.

this revenge for drying can go sideways and not only to us

[raki-uzo]

Something is wrong with the pictures. The soldiers say that it was wild cold, snow and all that. If the pictures were taken even 2-3 days after the "action", I still don't see traces of cold in the pictures. accordingly ... well, many have already understood me. And then, you, deliberately or not, using the pictures of ISIS, spread their propaganda.

Armored vehicles were not the first to go that day. And 30 or 40 soldiers of a special group and about 50 soldiers of a special unit of the regular army. They managed to capture the "Akil Tepe" and "hospital area". At 6 am there was a counterattack ... Their armored vehicles blasted themselves near the Turkish soldiers. I will tell you more than that - there were missile attacks that are not in the arsenal of the terrorists. Here there were many losses - 12 dead and a little more wounded. I had to call for support. It was then that the armored vehicles were turned on, and although several of them were lost along the way, they managed to take their own from there. As I already wrote here on the site, the armored vehicles left by the Turkish soldiers were destroyed by an air strike. Today "akil tepe" and "hospital area" are completely under the control of the Turkish army.

Although Turkey and Russia decided to mutually beneficial and work together in Syria, an amazing majority are opposed to this. I hope that in time we will understand more benefit to you and us.

[voyaka uh]

It also seemed to me that in the pictures there were 3-4 wrecked tanks,
and the rest is either from different angles, or padded (thrown)
but then "killed by aircraft.

[The stranger]

What is it? The ordered area, the Turkish tank company with the support of its landing took.
Farther. Measures to consolidate on and defend a new frontier have not been taken. In the morning, during an obligatory counterattack, they were fired upon by unknown (!) Armored fighters, they lost equipment, the assault ran away. Fire support was called later. Abandoned equipment eliminated themselves.
I wonder why the commanders of the company and the battalion commander ate their bread before the war?

[voyaka uh]

It happens. What was different under Palmyra (just now)? Even the elite "Tigers" got out of hand.
When mined armored personnel carriers with suicide bombers are racing, the nerves of the soldiers can’t stand it,
the weak run away, panic begins.

[Muvka]

And where is the information that the Tigers were near Palmyra? Can I have a reference?

[The stranger]

And what, what are mined? Their cannons - machine guns are less dangerous than a box of trotilla in the trunk?
The armored vehicle approaching rapprochement is simply the primary goal for the defender. If this is a normal soldier. And all this, by all means, including the senior boss, must be stopped at normally remote lines. Why are these tanks unable to stop the APCs? And if you didn’t manage to do it, anyway, why, or there was no order to withdraw, and the enemy burst into position, then the melee was canceled? With grenades on tanks banned?
Although, I don’t see something of the Arabs with bayonets in these videos. and the Turks seem to be there too. And all are fighting at random.
And on the other hand, this is for the better. For some, on the other hand.

[voyaka uh]

"and the enemy burst into the disposition, then the hand-to-hand fighting was canceled?
Banned with grenades on tanks? "///

What a brave man ... I respect you. I myself don’t know how I would behave if a mined armored personnel carrier rushed at me ...
I remember that we had the usual teaching of our battalion. Break. They lay on the ground, rested. Suddenly we see a tank rushing towards us in a cloud of dust (Merkava-1 or 2?). Well, roar, the earth begins to vibrate ...
Our officer jumped up, waving his hands. And we, infantry, without saying a word ... to the nearest rocky hill. Though the guns and bandolings took .
It turned out that he was racing along his tank affairs along the road, there was a turn that we had not seen.

[The stranger]

There were two exercises: No. 1, when you lay on concrete, and the tank barely crawled over from above. For an initial introduction to recruits. And No. 2 - this is digging as much as you think is necessary in the tank-dangerous direction, they immediately fly overhead, and you throw a dummy aft.
By the way - it is very helpful in explaining the concepts of "full profile" and "tank-hazardous direction". How and why, on the command “stop!”, The infantry is ordered to immediately fall to the ground and grab the shoulder blades.

[Vadim237]

Yeah, that's how it is - it means you, too, were draped in front of the tank.

[cosmos111]

Quote: voyaka uh

It happens. What was different under Palmyra (just now)? Even the elite "Tigers" got out of hand.

But here again the disinformation.
In total there were about 500 "Tigers" soldiers. At the time of the attack of the blacks, there were about 185 people. The rest were militias from local tribes. About 1,5 thousand.
All combat units were involved in the assault on Aleppo. And in V. Guta.
Are you specially lying? or do not own info ... why then post ???

[guzik007]

.... That ambivalent feeling, when, on the one hand, it’s kind of like allies ... but I’m very glad that the arrogance is peeling off like husks ...

[muhomor]

Oh no karsa in! He would have made it clear.

[1Markus]

One leo in the photo and the table was drawn on 100500 tanks, arabya in its repertoire.

[Zymran]

Here it is necessary to clarify which of these tanks are completely destroyed and which are damaged. What are the losses of tank crews. Has the detonation of ammunition occurred? For example, most of the tanks in the heavily damaged table are heavily damaged, some may have been captured by ISIS.

[Muzzle]

guys and where did you get into leo-2

[voyaka uh]

Reliably visible 2-3 video hits (with subsequent fire) in the sides of the tower.

[Leonid Har]

And why no one is repairing them on the battlefield, how did someone try to tell us here?

[blind]

in the side and rear projection, no tank can stand

[Muvka]

Che, seriously? And the guys do not know ...
https://vk.com/video-123538639_456241440

[ingenera]

Funny conversations. "the best tank, the worst tank" To begin with, do not put the tank on a hillock, sideways to the enemy with a rolled ninety degrees. cannon. Half of the shots from Syria with hits on the tank look exactly like this. On the T-55 - 62 the sight is on the same level as the gun. And even this allows you to hide the car behind a parapet up to the height of the gun. In modern tanks, aiming and observation devices for almost all are brought to the roof of the tower. And the tank turret, directed by its frontal projection towards the enemy, is the most defended place near the tank. This is not about fighting in the city. But even on U-Tube's rollers about actions in urban battles, you can always see how, under fire, and from the expected direction, the crew fires "from the side", not bothering to turn the vehicle body in the direction of the threat. It is not the quality of the tank that plays a role here, but the training of the crew. And, of course, being proud of our tank building, I must say: "There are NO invulnerable tanks!" There is the skill of the crew, common sense in the command and a certain amount of luck.

[tchoni]

Is there infa on the fate of the crews?

[cosmos111]

Infa, that they were taken by black no.

[raki-uzo]

On that operation, 14 of the Turkish soldiers died that day, later two more of the wounded were killed, 33 were wounded. The operation began in the evening, the first contact was at 2 at night; the object was captured by soldiers; the counteroffensive at 6 in the morning began; few of the injured are reported to have a bullet wound. Mostly injured by explosives and shrapnel ... Of the terrorists, it is believed, killed about 300; the soldiers who participated in the battle say that there were hand-to-hand fighting, they coped, did not leave anyone in place, took the dead and wounded by themselves and returned with the help of armored vehicles. And the next day, nevertheless, they managed to capture the "Akil Tepe" and the "hospital area" without loss, only two of the SLA (Syrian Liberation Army) militants were killed. This time the terrorists did not bother too much. The question is how long will our soldiers manage to hold the hill. From time to time they shoot from every house. Who is a terrorist, who is peaceful people - it's hard to make out. And this disassembly is necessary, since it is not desirable to "offend the peaceful" - not that, and they will instantly "blacken". I think the operation will proceed tiresomely slowly, since there are 30 Arabs there and we don't want to make new ISIS members of them. I must write this, that after the capture of Aleppo, unfortunately, the civilians who fled the city, to put it mildly, are offended at you that you did not always manage to successfully correct the "bombing". We will have to work with them so that they do not take up arms again.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Butt

On anti-tank weapons, this is a special conversation. From ambush to weak spots. The T90 did not enter into an armed battle, not by distance, not by maneuver and position. I believe that protecting the T90 from weapons is not a bad thing, but from a direct shot of an Abram or Leo gun .... from a distance of! 000 m. ??? This is a different angle.

Immediately after the appearance of the T-90, the Germans began to replace the 2 mm x 120 caliber with 44 mm x 120 calibers on the Leopard-55 with the corresponding charge amplification.
Guess why?
The Germans fired at the T-90 range from 1000 meters into the forehead from a 120 mm x 44 caliber Rheinmetall gun. After 10 hits of the BPS there was not a single through hole.
Immediately after the appearance of the T-90, the Germans began to replace the 2 mm x 120 caliber with 44 mm x 120 calibers on the Leopard-55 with the corresponding charge amplification.
Guess why?
The Germans fired at the T-90 range from 1000 meters into the forehead from a 120 mm x 44 caliber Rheinmetall gun. After 10 hits of the BPS there was not a single through hole.

[tatarin_ru]

You always express your thoughts in such detail, imagine what will happen if you enter into a debate.

[adma]

Quote: Butt

Can you summarize the preliminary results for tank biathlon in the East? The Germans are already panicking with their 2A4 Leopards, the Americans, starting in Iraq, are sweating very closely from RPG 7. What is left over? Full scrap metal ????

And how many Syrian T-72 knocked down the barmalei? And the T-55, T-62? The same RPGs, and not even a tandem grenade. No such data by accident?
And what's leftover ???



PS: My personal opinion is that several wrecked tanks are not an indicator of the quality of equipment. Losses are inevitable, especially during the offensive.

[Muvka]

And how much time do these T-72s fight in Syria and in what quantity?

[adma]

How many are fighting? And how much fate is for anyone. Whom they burned at once, and who more than a dozen fights passed. Amount? At the beginning of the war, about 1500 units. Of these, about 700 are made in the USSR. In 2013 (I do not have more recent data, unfortunately), 428 Syrian tanks were destroyed.

[Muvka]

And leopards are less than a month in the amount of about a dozen and almost all are lost at once.

[adma]

And what is this talking about? Yes, nothing. An ambushed tank company on the T-72 would be gouged with the same success. Especially since the fighting experience of the Turks - the cat burst into tears. Here, most likely, it was the experience and combat coordination of the crews, as well as the interaction in the battle that played not the last role, or rather their absence.
And the Leopard tank is not bad. I had the opportunity to get acquainted when the GDR was covered.
PS: In Grozny, the Maikop brigade was burned. "Seventy-second" burned like sparklers. Does this speak about the quality of the tank or the stupidity of the leadership and command?

[Altona]

Quote: Muvka

That's just the point, there was no duel, and Leopard is the best tank in the world (according to their versions). What does it mean?

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There is such a word "marketing", you will not praise or sell. In any case, Western tanks are designed as anti-tank SPGs, not offensive tanks. A powerful forehead, a large assortment of sub-caliber and armor-piercing projectiles, a perfect SLA and detection systems (5 years ago). Now our tanks, especially the modern T-90, have the entire arsenal of electronics and an automatic loader, plus active armor. In this regard, Western tanks, except for the engine and maybe a little better (maybe not) iron, can not oppose anything.

[ultra]

Quote: Muvka

And I say that the captured tank! = Destroyed.

And if from this "destroyed" fire will be opened at you and God forbid you .... how are you?

[doubovitski]

Quote: voyaka uh

Leopard got serious combat experience. Germans him of course
will strengthen, as far as possible, according to the results of battles in the Turkish army.
DZ there, screens. Maybe KAZ will add. And his rating will increase.

Any car has its own edge in improvements. After the appearance of our "Armata", the Germans fell into a trance and thought hard how to answer. And what better than to start a new "Leopard-3" did not come up with. It is unlikely that they will smear and do several developments at the same time. Germans are disciplined, organized and pedantic people.
Their nerves could not stand even the characteristics of T14, but incredible prospects for the unification of an entire armada of different armor plates, and hence the simplicity of mass production, supplying the army with spare parts, fuel and lubricants, training centers, repair bases and everything else. It is known that on the basis of this platform, the production of several military vehicles is unfolding. If I'm not mistaken, then something is about 5-6 today. And this is not the end.

[Berkut24]

The Germans did not save the Leopards from the war. Someone will now continue to compare never fought leopards with the constantly fighting T-72 and T-90?

[adma]

Looking at the padded Turkish Leopards, it seems that the crew was not fatally injured. But from the examination of the damaged T-72 such impressions do not arise. It seems to me that the crew is more valuable than the tank. Or am I wrong?

[Kudrevkn]

"Do not oh the pit to another. You yourself risk getting into the soup"? So amerikosy their "stingers" on "warthogs" - and the pilots will be cooked alive in boilers instead of khash? Maybe Donald Ivanovich will fix the monkeys of the Negro Obamka's jambs, and how in XNUMX will our grandfathers and great-grandfathers chase this Barmaley scum from the Middle East or will we bury it in the ground? Glory to our glorious Putin falcons - pilots of Russia !!!

[mgero]

nu narmalnie news

[Strength]

Quote: Crimean partisan 1974

so you do staged vidio? I don’t advise, it will hurt you to fall if specifically the specialists take

Can you read? What kind of videos? I needed a top view of the T-90. I found a photo, but this photo was from the T-14 and everything d