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The road of repentance: apparently, we are going in the right direction

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Summing up some results in the general format, begun in the first part, I want to draw attention to the following points. Maybe many who have read and do not agree with me, but for some reason today’s day more and more often resembles what happened at the beginning of 90.




Put forward the thesis. The further we go along the road of some kind of self-reliance and the righteousness of our civil actions and understanding of the processes taking place (Donbass, Crimea, Syria, and the list goes on), the more active the opposition begins.

By “awareness and understanding,” I do not mean what the president and the government do, but how we evaluate it. Although in relation to Donbass we (Russians of all stripes and nationalities), and without a government, swam so much, I do not know how anyone, but my opinion is only to be proud and possible. And even need.

25 years ago, we, as the people of a huge country, were still strong. Together with the country. The fact that some of them chose jeans, chewing gum and a hundred varieties of sausage as indispensable attributes of a democratic future is the third question today. Podmahnuv Belovezhskaya treachery, this handful did only half the case.

With the second half, that is, with us, something had to be done. I remember those days very well, I remember the general hysteria of repentance and self-blame, which Gorbachev began to organize. And Yeltsin successfully continued. But it was 25 years ago, the day today, however, is similar.

And first of all it looks like the fact that the brains are starting to call in again with the hackneyed topic of how sad we all were in the past and how necessary it is to repent of this in the whole world. Examples? Full

I will begin with a descendant of a certain peasant Karagodin from the Far East of our country, a certain Denis Karagodin. The titanic work of Denis Karagodin in the historical investigation of his great-grandfather's life was appreciated, however, only by the social network and Radio Liberty, but nevertheless significant.

In short: Stepan Karagodin was shot in 1938 year. And his great-grandson, tirelessly, searched and found those who had stained their hands with the blood of his glorious great-grandfather. Naturally, the NKVD. And, best of all, I found a similar granddaughter of one of the security officers, Yulia Zyryanov, who decided to repent.

"The task of the next generations is simply not to be silent, all things and events should be called by their names. And the purpose of my letter to you is just to tell you that I now know about such a disgraceful page in stories your family and completely on your side. "

This is written by Zyryanov on the website of Karagodin. And Denis, of course, thanks Zyryanov for the letter and writes that he gives her a "reconciliation hand": "In my face you will not find an enemy or an offender, only a person who wants to nullify all this endless bloody Russian bath once and for all."

The key word here is “nullify”. Repent and forgive. Including Stepan Karagodin, who, as investigations by not so stubborn truth-lovers showed, was shot not for being a fist, and he did not like the new government.

Stepan Karagodin was shot as an accomplice of the Japanese invaders who brutally murdered our fellow citizens, a member of the assault Cossack detachment Ataman Gamow, who stormed Blagoveshchensk and after taking an active part in the search and execution of the Bolsheviks.

For some reason, Mr. Karagodin-great-grandson is tactfully silent about this.

The main thing is to nullify and make publicly repent the granddaughter of the NKVD officer, who clearly does not shine with intelligence. I’ll make a reservation if such a letter from Zyryanova really took place, and not the fruit of the work of the same Karagodin.

Although if we are talking about historical justice, why should not Karagodin the great-grandson be puzzled by the search for descendants of those whom his “innocently killed” ancestor helped to send to the world?

And no one set such a task, apparently.

And from here we are moving sharply west to the Yeltsin Center. Attention to this institution, which only casually resembles an anti-Russian Kublo with snakes, was attracted by our master, Nikita Mikhalkov. You can put a lot of Mikhalkov in reproach in terms of films made by him, but the fact that he pooped like a tank to fascist positions on this "center" cannot but arouse civil respect. There really is something for that.

I, like most normal Russians, not knowing the whole background, it is very difficult to judge on what basis Naina Yeltsina otgrohali such a mansion at our expense. But it is obvious that today there is a place to be the center of all the anti-Russian activities of the country.

Today, the discussion of the statements of one of the closest assistants of Mrs. Yeltsin is going through a third iteration. It comes from August ... (translation - statement) Mr. Nikita Sokolov. Just quotes.

"... it is necessary to continue the fulfillment of the will of Boris Nikolayevich on the further rehabilitation of victims of political repression and expand the circle of persons belonging to this category ..."

“There is an important scientific and social problem. For the most part and almost never rehabilitated those people who really fought with the Soviet authorities. Is modern Russia still ready to consider them enemies of the people? This is a public question that needs to be answered. And if we get an application for such a character, we will start a public discussion. ”

Who are we talking about? Sokolov gives an answer to this question.

“These are dissidents of 40's, dissidents of 30's. There were really real battle groups, they were not rehabilitated, although they didn’t do anything. This is Vlasov. This is a big public problem. Let's finally raise this question. If there are requests for signs on the unregulated, on the unregulated, because they really fought. Cossacks in large numbers. What shall we do? We will consider the Cossacks, who fought against the Bolsheviks, the enemies of the people and the people living in Russia today? I'm not sure. But this is a matter of public discussion. ”

So, the list of "victims" becomes obvious. Fists, landowners, political dissidents and their militants, Vlasovites, Cossacks in the service of the Reich. Well at least that Mr. Sokolov is not as aggressive as Karagodin. He believes that it is necessary to discuss whether traitors who fought against the Russian people are worthy of being considered as traitors.

They, the Vlasovites and the Cossack defectors, fought not with the Russian people, but with the Bolsheviks.

And then - more. Let's, since such a binge has gone, we are also rehabilitating members of the OUN-UPA, AKovtsev, "green" and "forest" brothers. In pursuance of the will of Yeltsin. They, too, fought against the Bolshevik regime, whatever one may say. And the fact that the villages were cut according to the principle “who got there” without looking at the party cards, so how is it? Well, probably, "it was a war."

And Memorial is here, in this cohort. With its publication lists of NKVD employees. Say, here they are, executioners, look. Well looked. Someone like me, for example, found mine. So what?

No, of course, to someone it is such a message, to search, and having found - following the example of Karagodin, to persuade to repent. Glory to the Russian consciousness, pulls not all, but only the elect. Like "Yeltsin Center" and "Memorial". Who, the truth, and how they elected, we will understand below.

Having found in this list the data of his grandfather, an employee of SMERSH, from Memorial, he received something like recognition of his work. And to repent for some reason is not drawn. For, having passed the combat path from 1942 to 1947, my ancestor, unlike Karagodin, didn’t tarnish itself in my eyes. 8 awards (two before it hit SMERSH) at 8 are the same holes in the body. 3 bullet, 4 frag and 1 knife.

Yes, the path has been marked. The end of the Great Patriotic War - Prague (oh, poor Vlasovites!). Next - Western Ukraine (oh, poor OUN!).

Indeed, the poor. To fall into the hands of the victorious soldiers from the usual parts - it was for happiness. Or just slap, especially without going into details, or the breadth of the Russian soul and the pride of the winner in general for disassembly sent to the rear. And there is a court, camps, and a very real opportunity to survive. As many, and it turned out, by the way.

And the detachments of the NKVD "SMERSH" had somewhat different goals and objectives. Snot like "I realized and repented, I'm sorry!" Did not particularly care about anyone. The number of fellow accomplices who were left to shoot, cut, burn and hang Soviet workers, doctors and teachers was disturbed.

Because, by the way, especially with these poor things in the NKVD did not make a fuss. A light and honorable death for such organisms from a bullet had to be earned. Well, who was not lucky - that was not lucky. And it was also a war.

Mr. Karagodina’s great-grandfather heavily served the Japanese, who killed the Russians. And he killed the Russians. And his descendant considers it worthy. My grandfather complicated the existence of Ukrainians-zapadentsev, Poles, Lithuanians, Russians, who set themselves the goal of killing Russians who are Soviet. And he considered it quite a worthy thing. And his descendant also considers this business worthy.

Or should I, in accordance with the new canons, hide the grandfathers rewards, especially the Red Star, which he handed to him in 1947, and begin to repent? Well, of course…

The most interesting thing is the reaction of our "partners" to the heap. We discussed it quite recently, and Pushkov answered quite well, I think. Gentlemen “partners” are concerned about the fact that we have all the poorhouse for those who are clouded by the mind with the status of “foreign agent”, in every way they are scolding and persecuting. Called, including traitors, and poked in the face of the fact that these institutions and organizations live on the democratic money of the West.

It is not good. Not according to the principles of democracy. According to the principles of democracy, our law on foreign agents from 2012, should be abolished, and the agents themselves should be given complete creative freedom for the good of democracy.

However, in the United States, the law on foreign agents has been in effect since 1938. And ours is different from him, like sugar from oilcake. Towards liberality.

It is obvious that once in the United States they cried out about how badly we live for “foreign agents” like the same “Memorial,” which means, “Comrades, we are going the right way!”. Not for nothing these cries, not from scratch. So they are concerned about TAM and those. Where we go, and how.

If suddenly Radio Liberty, RBC and other well-known publications start voting on the theme of “poor and persecuted” (memorial, Vlasov, OUN, and others), if not outspoken, then well-disguised traitors, then that's fine. It means that something is changing and changing for the better.

But further such shouts will be more. Especially if the nasty idea of ​​repentance, crammed in there by accomplices of the traitors Gorbachev and Yeltsin, is finally eradicated from the Russian brain. But the further and better this process goes, the more we worship not the principles praised by Rezun and Solzhenitsy, the more there will be more cries about the need for repentance. This is an indicator. And the more dirt will pour towards those whom the normal part of our society considers to be heroes.

But, as practice shows, there are people in Russia (and not only in Russia) who are ready to defend our values. And not imposed on us by traitors and foreign agents.

And it both pleases, and encourages.

Here, the Yeltsin Center is yes, it’s still a problem. Although it may be better if all the reptiles in front of Western democracy are gathered in one terrarium?
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  1. Deck
    Deck 26 December 2016 06: 49
    +3
    Are there documents about the fact that Stepan Karagodin was shot as an accomplice of the Japanese invaders? You can show? How could you get them? You are not his descendant. Or is it the fruit of your creativity
    1. vladimirZ
      vladimirZ 26 December 2016 07: 35
      +36
      The fact that the NKVD in the pre-war years acted mostly correctly, correctly and necessary, in connection with the impending war, in my opinion it is not necessary to argue. They acted correctly, and as the events of 1941 in the Western Special District showed, the leadership of which actually disorganized the actions of their troops and opened the front to the enemy, is not enough.
      The fact that the enemies of the people and the USSR were at that time in the leadership can be no doubt enough to compare with the current leadership of Russia, where they are also full.
      The Far East, and China bordering it, in those years when it took only one and a half dozen years (1922 the year of complete liberation) was crammed with various White Guard rabble, everyone knows and remembers the Semenov Cossacks.
      And there is no need to "sing songs" about the innocence of the Karagodins who sought to settle scores with the USSR, the Soviet power, and the people who drove them out of the territory of Russia. There were these karagodinas, and they passed on their enemy ideas to their descendants, so that they would now bark at the people, at Soviet power and socialism, at the descendants of those people who defended the people's power and state.
      1. veteran66
        veteran66 28 December 2016 09: 45
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        Quote: vladimirZ
        They acted correctly, and as the events of 1941 in the Western Special District showed, the leadership of which actually disorganized the actions of their troops and opened the front to the enemy, is not enough.

        so right or not enough? Or maybe they didn’t go that way at all? Pavlov’s biography is the same as that of our other commanders who reached the end of the war, opposed Tukhachevsky (his doctrine)
        insisted on the creation of tanks with diesel engines, protivosnaryadnym armor and cannons, capable of breaking through the protivosnaryadnaya reservation of enemy tanks.
        and suddenly a traitor. So Tukhachevsky is not an enemy? Or the enemy? Then who is Pavlov? The classic question arises: "Who are the judges?"
        1. vladimirZ
          vladimirZ 28 December 2016 11: 16
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          "Who are the judges?" - veteran66

          And the court is the whole course of subsequent treacherous, devastating events for the Red Army, for the USSR at the beginning of the Great Patriotic War, in particular in the OZapVO, where the fighting of the Red Army troops simply disorganized, like nowhere else.
          Remember who was the leader of the Red Army until 1925, and Lev Trotsky, the closest ally of V.I., was one of its founders. Lenin by revolution and civil war, many perceived as Lenin, her revolutionary and heroic hero.
          It was Leo Trotsky that many, and most of them, military leaders, were obliged to nominate and appoint to the Red Army in high posts.
          By the events of 1936-40, Trotsky was alive and through the secret connections of a large number of his supporters, influenced them, and Trotsky's supporters were both among the military and among civilians. This proves, even if only the so-called "discussions" in the party, when in the CPSU (b) there was a struggle between supporters of the Stalin line and the Trotsky line. Then the position of I.V. Stalin, and the defeated Trotsky was not killed, not tried, only exiled away from the center in order to reduce Trotsky's influence on the party, state, military activists, and then expelled from the country in 1929.
          But Trotsky's supporters, and many, remained. Were they satisfied with the actions of Stalin? No, they were not, and as they could, they interfered and harmed the construction of the USSR.
          Therefore, it is impossible to say that there were no supporters of Trotsky among the generals of the Red Army. They were, and there was a military conspiracy of generals in 1937 under the leadership of Tukhachevsky. All supporters of the conspiracy were removed? No, not everyone, and they could not remove everyone, someone at that time was, for example, in Spain (Pavlov, the future commander of the Western Military District, someone in China, someone just "went to the bottom".
          Ten years, so much has passed since Trotsky’s expulsion, there’s a short time for a person’s life, and therefore many remembered him, respected, bowed, listened to his opinion and position. Someone took his side, sabotage and resistance to Stalin, were ready, using foreign military force, to try to overthrow his power.
          1. veteran66
            veteran66 28 December 2016 11: 21
            +1
            Quote: vladimirZ
            But Trotsky's supporters, and many, remained

            Yes, I do not believe in this conspiracy, just found the extreme to justify system errors. There, besides Pavlov, mistakes were made from the chief of staff to the commanders of the districts. I'm not talking about mistakes and inability to control the troops of newly minted divisions and regiments.
            1. vladimirZ
              vladimirZ 28 December 2016 14: 00
              +3
              Do not believe your right. But there are facts that are difficult to challenge. Why, for example, in all districts except the West, the instructions of the People’s Commissariat of Defense dated June 18.06 were complied with. 41 years on the withdrawal of all troops from military camps to prepare and occupy their borders, created front-line points of command and control of troops and front-line departments created from district headquarters went there?
              Why, according to this instruction of the People’s Commissariat of Defense, 2 divisions were not withdrawn from Brest? By the way, at this point in the tribunal that judged Pavlov and the other directors of the OZapVO between Pavlov and Army Commander Korobkov, a dispute arose: one claimed that he had given the order, and the other that he had not received any order to withdraw the troops, which confirms that such an indication about the withdrawal of troops was.
              All this is now open and described, in addition there are memoirs and memoirs of military commanders.
              For example, the recollections of Lieutenant General S. Dolgushin that Pavlov and the commander of the district’s aviation, General Kobets, arrived to them on Saturday June 21 to order to remove all weapons from the aircraft. Dolgushin describes the bewilderment of his fellow soldiers and the anger at commanding the command when, early in the morning, instead of taking off and hitting the Germans, they set their guns and machine guns in injuries, not pilots, but aircraft pilots and technicians who were not familiar with these operations.
              And the "famous" responses of artillery from units and formations of the OZapVO to district gatherings, which led to the fact that the units were without artillery, and artillery without ammunition in the places of their district gathering, at the beginning of the war.
              These are the most vivid and widely known facts, there are others that are difficult to attribute to disorder and inability.
              1. veteran66
                veteran66 28 December 2016 14: 48
                +2
                Quote: vladimirZ
                All this is now open and described, in addition there are memoirs and memoirs of military commanders.

                I’m now reading the forum of Eremenko against Zhukov, after that I don’t really believe these memoirs at all, they are biting like spiders in a bank. Not to mention what these memoirs wrote in favor of the Central Committee.
                Quote: vladimirZ
                ordered to remove all weapons from the aircraft.

                of course, when, along with the order to prepare for war, there was a directive "do not go to provocations" prohibiting retaliation against the Nazis under the threat of a tribunal, so they were reinsured
                Quote: vladimirZ
                And the "famous" responses of artillery from units and formations of the OZapVO to district fees,

                the usual study, which was always carried out, only this time coincided with the attack of Hitler. Yes, and why row, the mess was in the army and the army was untrained, we always attack the same rake, even though Finnish, even Khalkhin-Gol and Hasan, were again unprepared for the Second World War.
                1. vladimirZ
                  vladimirZ 28 December 2016 16: 25
                  +1
                  But why was there no such disorganization of troops, such a defeat as in the OZapVO? Why is the order of the People’s Commissar of Defense of 18.06.41/XNUMX/XNUMX not implemented only in the Military District?
                  What kind of "forum Eremenko against Zhukov"?
                  1. veteran66
                    veteran66 28 December 2016 18: 25
                    +1
                    Quote: vladimirZ
                    But why such a disorganization of troops, such a rout, as in the OZapVO

                    Yes, because the main force of blow was inflicted on this district, the main direction.
                    Quote: vladimirZ
                    What kind of "forum Eremenko against Zhukov"

                    ask in the search, he is the first on the list
                    1. vladimirZ
                      vladimirZ 29 December 2016 05: 11
                      +1
                      Looked at the "forum Eremenko against Zhukov" is nonsense, Eremenko's daughter is trying to raise the authority of her father, who is Marshal, but at the same time repeatedly did not justify I.V. Stalin.
                      Suffice it to recall Eremenko's promise to Stalin "Smash the scoundrel Guderin" in 1941. Marshal Eremenko 2nd row of Marshals, after such as Rokossovsky, Zhukov, Vasilevsky, etc.
                      1. veteran66
                        veteran66 29 December 2016 09: 53
                        +1
                        Quote: vladimirZ
                        Looked at the "forum Eremenko against Zhukov" nonsense,

                        so what am I talking about? All these memoirs, nonsense for the most part. Zhukov how many times edited them to please political figures. Quite an out of the ordinary case, about the commander’s trip to Colonel Brezhnev. to consult.
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              2. Vasilij Pereira
                Vasilij Pereira 1 January 2017 20: 37
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                It should not be forgotten that the troops, under the command of Pavlov, were on a very advantageous direction for the offensive of the German troops: the Black Sea Fleet was blocked, practically all bases, except the Transcaucasian ones. The USSR, in the event of a successful and rapid offensive by the German troops, was deprived of the main oil fields in Baku and the surrounding area. Undoubtedly, all operations in this southern direction were developed by someone who was well versed in military strategy, in contrast to the "politicians" who were rushing right through to Moscow. The defeat of the Germans near Moscow, at the end of 1941 and the direction of the "main" strike of the German troops in 1942, in the Caucasian direction, only confirms that before the attack on the USSR, the southern direction was worked out professionally! At the same time, in Moscow, there were also "politicians" who missed this direction! There are memoirs of many Soviet soldiers who defended the Caucasus in 1942. In these memoirs, both the pros and cons of the military leadership of the USSR associated with this front are well considered.
                Now for "repentance" as such! Under any pretext, they impose on us the idea that our existence on this Russian land is "accidental and illegal", that we must make excuses and pay off those who have lost "lost profits" by not being able to get it by military seizure of Russian land!
      2. Evgenijus
        Evgenijus 28 December 2016 22: 48
        +2
        vladimirZ :
        The NKVD in the pre-war years acted basically correctly,[i] [/ i]

        I wonder if my wife's grandfather was "slapped" by the NKVD-ists in 1937 correctly or not?
        Grandfather opened the church on Sunday (the priest was Orthodox). Arrested, three, sentence, execution. His weapon is a cross in his hand, but God's word is on his lips.
        People like him, priests, thousands were shot. Weakly answer, correctly or not shot?
        1. vladimirZ
          vladimirZ 29 December 2016 05: 25
          +3
          Evgenijus, you carefully read the document you cited. Shot, yes, but not "for opening the church on Sunday." He was shot for "over the course of a number of years conducted a counter-revolutionary activity", to disrupt the activities of the party and government in measures in the countryside, "to the destruction of collective farms," ​​spread slanderous rumors, and worked "to disrupt the elections to the Supreme Soviet THE USSR".
          This is not "the opening of the church on Sunday", here is a bunch of illegal actions, according to which at that time, in accordance with the criminal code, what was awarded.
          So, approach the consideration of "your wife's grandfather" more objectively.
          1. Evgenijus
            Evgenijus 29 December 2016 09: 12
            +3
            Grandfather's illegal activities have not been proven! In 1937, it was not illegal to open a church on Sunday and hold a church service. There is no such interpretation in the law of those times. Another question is that such investigators, like you now, interpreted the actions of innocent people as a crime. But no evidence was given for this, for everything was decided by the "troika".
            By the way, the "bouquet" of illegal actions was disclosed in the materials of the investigation against the informers, the investigator and the members of the "troika". If you read this Case, then you should not judge the grandfather, but all this sharaga that led the grandfather to be shot. I have all this business, true photocopies, but it's scary to read, because such a meanness of a human being crawls out in reality ...
            Reading your conclusions today is scary, for you are a terrible person, from those times, a hero of that time. You would have a leather jacket on your shoulders and a revolver in your pocket. What Bulgakov remembered, with his Shvonder ...
            1. Vasilij Pereira
              Vasilij Pereira 1 January 2017 20: 43
              +1
              I will quote: “When, after the end of the Civil War in Soviet Russia, the peasants were given land, people settled in the farms, already on their own land. They took as much land as they could cultivate. But then, on the eve of collectivization, or, more precisely, on the eve of the great war, the villages were brought to villages. It was planned to “electrify the whole country” or, as the enemies of the Soviet government said, “electrification”. The struggle against illiteracy of the population and, at the same time, with undesirable elements within the country began. What of this played a major role, and what is of secondary importance - I can’t judge, I didn’t live at that time. The individual farmer, an independent peasant, could surrender the surplus of his agricultural products to the state, or he could bury them in the ground, until better times. The same individual living in the village was already under the supervision of “watchful” neighbors, from some of which, simply, it was impossible to hide anything. Then collectivization began. Who went first to the collective farm? Definitely, this question is difficult to answer. It was different. But, the benefits of joining the collective farm were understood and felt first - loafers. They rushed to unite, hoping for free cheese. For them, and a penny is a profit! Sensible men plowed the land, cultivated crops, they had no time, and there was no need to unite. I could handle my farm! But, a nonsense of all kinds, she instantly realized that they would be “stronger”, in bulk, in a crowd. They will be a force with which everyone will have to reckon, including these “morons”, “plowing” from dawn to dawn. And, having driven these "morons" into the collective farm, it will be possible to profit at their expense. It often happened that they united together the strong economy of a working peasant, with a “cookie” in the pocket of a loafer who, before collectivization, did nothing, and after it, hoped to live at the expense of others. United, divided equally. It is clear who benefited from such a divide. And in order to complete collectivization faster, or rather, to prevent peasants, especially sensible and economic, from coming to their senses, they invented a bunch of horror stories: fist, podkulaknik, miroed, and so on and so forth. If we consider that situation from the perspective of our days, then we can say that it was those smart guys who committed stupidity. Irreparable stupidity, for which they paid, in the end, having parted with their lives in Siberia, Kolyma and other “resort” places. Not united in their “collective farm” of sensible peasants, they provided the opportunity to speak on behalf of the entire peasantry, to these drunkards, throats and loafers. Such a mass of mediocrity was beneficial to the authorities. Who ruled the country at that time? Mostly appointees. As a rule, these are not specialists in their field, but people whom they trusted, because they were controlled and obedient. It was easier to manage the village council from the backdoors than the rural council of sensible business men. For business men, one “directive” from above would not be enough, it would be necessary to have more knowledge to convince men. And where to get them, this knowledge? So a chain of power has been built up where an intelligent peasant would never have found support. It was not knowledge and experience, but power that gave an advantage, so everyone who, instead of working in the field, more than shook his tongue, rushed into it. In fear of the united “gobble”, they went to the collective farm, first those who, then, were considered to be “middle peasants,” and then those who, as a result, were considered “fists”. But they couldn’t change anything, and most importantly, they wouldn’t be able to change anything already. Nobody would allow changing the principle of action of power. “War communism”, even canceled by then but which, in fact, remained in action, meant the execution of orders coming “from above”, but not simple execution, but unquestioning. But, the earth does not allow such an attitude to itself, it implies that a thinking person will process it. I, therefore, describe in such a detailed and biased way that period of time that the fathers of my parents ended up in opposite camps on this issue. One of them, having a bunch of daughters and an only son, acted according to the principle: “you won’t beat a whip with a whip” and entered the collective farm, and the other, having lived in hard labor on his land, had two wives and had five young children at the time of collectivization, only from second wife, spent three days in Bykhov prison for forty days, only because he did not want to join the collective farm. And, during his imprisonment, the “gentlemen of the collective farmers,” mainly drunkards and loafers, walked in a crowd under the windows of the hut, where frightened children sat to death. But the psychic attack did not bring the desired result. My grandfather was left alone, and only his children, among whom was my mother, joined the collective farm.
          2. veteran66
            veteran66 29 December 2016 09: 58
            +1
            Quote: vladimirZ
            "over the course of a number of years he conducted counter-revolutionary activities", to disrupt the activities of the party and government in measures in the countryside, "to the destruction of collective farms," ​​spread slanderous rumors, and worked "to disrupt the elections to the Supreme Soviet of the USSR."

            you can write whatever you want, is there evidence in these words? or maybe the attorney’s speech is attached? Three gathered and printed what they wanted.
            1. vladimirZ
              vladimirZ 29 December 2016 11: 31
              +4
              In a criminal case, even at that time, it was impossible to write "whatever you want", otherwise the investigator himself could be thundered under the criminal article. Everything had to be checked, confirmed by other evidence, recognized by the person under investigation.
              Remember, for example, the story of Marshal Rokossovsky, who was also under investigation of a military conspiracy and slandered by someone: the investigator sought his personal confession, but Rokossovsky, being confident that he did not commit anything illegal, firmly stood his ground and did not sign anything compromising himself . The result - not shot, there was no reason.
              Investigative material in the decision as a whole is never invested, they are in business. There are probably testimonies of fellow villagers about the cases of this convict, which are facts of evidence, cross-examination of witnesses, personal confessions on confrontations. Perhaps some other material evidence of criminal activity.
              Such cases, to be shot, on one testimony about the "opening of the church on Sunday" were not decided, even at that time.
              1. Evgenijus
                Evgenijus 29 December 2016 12: 19
                +2
                vladimirZ :
                Such cases, to be shot, on one testimony about the "opening of the church on Sunday" were not decided, even at that time.


                Of course they did not dare! Here I agree with you! The collective farm chairman with the party cell secretary agitated on Sunday to go to the club for elections to the Supreme Soviet. And the villagers went to church, since the father opened it without reading the newspaper. So much for counterrevolutionary activity. Firing article ...
                1. Evgenijus
                  Evgenijus 1 January 2017 20: 55
                  +1
                  My opponent is silent. For what can he object to the truth? There is nothing! They shot people just for the fact that a person touched the doors of the Temple. But this was called counter-revolutionary activity. The law was twisted as they wanted, for there was an instruction from Ilyich (remember his telegram to the Penza "comrades" about the hostages, who must be hanged without fail) ...
                  1. vladimirZ
                    vladimirZ 2 January 2017 06: 19
                    0
                    My opponent is silent. For what can he object to the truth? There is nothing! - Evgenijus

                    And what is the same procrastinate? It is useless to those who do not want to understand something to prove something. But I will answer the arguments of the newly expressed.
                    The fact that collectivization, and essentially the creation of large agricultural enterprises in rural areas is a mandatory and necessary thing for industrial states, when the mass of the urban population grows and the rural population decreases, the question is undeniable. This natural historical process took place everywhere, in England, the USA and other industrial states.
                    This is a prerequisite for creating an industrialized state, a solitary peasant, a farmer can never feed not only the ever-increasing urban population, but also himself. There will always be poor people in the village who are starving.
                    And by the way, modern Russia is a good example of this. Collective farms and state farms collapsed, and Russia ceased to provide itself with food, the food security of the state disappeared, in fact, we feed on foreign products. The village ceased to be the food base of the state. Small farmers, loners themselves cannot really feed themselves, much less supply food to the country's food market.
                    And those products of ours that are in stores, mainly due to large agricultural producers, which have hardly remained since Soviet times.
                    Therefore, given this failure in the supply of their own food, the question of the revival of collective large agricultural enterprises, of the same collective farms, has already begun to be discussed at the top. Time has shown industrial states without them, when the majority of the country's population lives in cities, not enough.
                    So, which of your grandfathers was right, you can easily figure it out.
                    1. Evgenijus
                      Evgenijus 2 January 2017 15: 44
                      +1
                      What grandfather prevented the creation of collective farms? In turn in the dispute! Russia before the revolution fed all of Europe with its small farms. Silk then why was it in the collective farms? Do not touch the fists, so there would be no hunger. And the priests would only pray for these collective farms. This is about the persecution of the priests, which leads to the dispute in the direction?
                      1. vladimirZ
                        vladimirZ 2 January 2017 18: 51
                        0
                        You don't seem to know the story at all. Russia "fed the whole of Europe" at the expense of large landowners' farms, and peasants, especially those with few horses or completely horseless ones, could hardly make ends meet, as laborers for the same landowners or local wealthy.
                        I consider the "speech about the persecution of priests" who are essentially conducting anti-Soviet work everywhere.
    2. Duisenbay Bankankulov
      Duisenbay Bankankulov 26 December 2016 07: 36
      +22
      Such documents are usually published. After all, the main thing is more noise because of Stalin's alleged victims. At the same time, not one loudmouth can prove that Stalin is to blame for the executions of pseudo-fighters of "democracy" ...
      1. Corporal Valera
        Corporal Valera 26 December 2016 09: 39
        +11
        Quote: Deck
        Are there documents about the fact that Stepan Karagodin was shot as an accomplice of the Japanese invaders? You can show? How could you get them?

        I hasten to answer all your questions. There are documents. I posted them myself offended. Obtained, obviously, by contacting the competent authorities. If you have disabled Google, then here's a link to the victim’s blog. But I immediately warn you, in the documents LIES! Only karagodin speaks the truth! Believe as a native!

        http://blog.stepanivanovichkaragodin.org/?attachm
        ent_id = 2728

        Do not forget the maximum repost and comment about the Crooked executioners and the hellish regime
    3. svoi
      svoi 26 December 2016 08: 17
      +12
      Let’s say the poor fellow was shot, according to the version of Karagodin Jr., only for kulaks and rejection of the Soviet regime. So there was a severe need for this. Maxim died - and ... with him. Somehow I do not believe in the NKVD detachments sending their fellow citizens to the next world, simply because of spiritual anger. It is necessary to judge by the results, the results are impressive. In the shortest possible time, advanced industrial was built from the destroyed agrarian country, which was the main reason for the victory in the Second World War, which was expected and took place. If for these purposes it was necessary to slap a certain number of hostile karagodin-shmaragodin, then all right, let them.
      1. Diana Ilyina
        Diana Ilyina 26 December 2016 08: 56
        +28
        svoi Today, 08:17 ↑ New
        If for these purposes it was necessary to slap a certain number of hostile karagodin-shmaragodin, then all right, let them.
        Agree. She wrote more than once that her great-grandfather herself was repressed, I still don’t know why. Neither my parents nor I managed to find the documents. And without documents it is very difficult to judge what the great-grandfather actually disappeared for. Maybe innocently, or maybe as a Cossack element disagreeing with the Soviet regime, go and see. And I have no desire to look for the great-grandchildren of those who took my life as an ancestor. It was such a time. I myself would now burn the entire liberal brotherhood with a hot iron and my hand would not flinch. And I would think that I did the most worthy in my life, which we can rightly be proud of. So correctly all the guys from the Cheka, the NKVD and SMERSH did. The results speak for themselves.
        1. vovanpain
          vovanpain 26 December 2016 09: 49
          +32
          Quote: Diana Ilyina
          I myself would now burn the entire liberal brotherhood with a hot iron and my hand would not flinch. And I would think that I did the most worthy in my life, which we can rightly be proud of. So correctly all the guys from the Cheka, the NKVD and SMERSH did. The results speak for themselves.


          The beauty of Diana! love love love About tolerance ...
          Somehow the worms gathered in the intestines of one person at a political symposium.
          Ascaris performed first. She told the high assembly that progress could not be reversed, and therefore those dark times had passed when they wrestled fiercely and inhumanly with worms. And it is necessary to decisively and definitively end discrimination against worms in the body. For globalization processes require the development of tolerance. The opisthorchs enthusiastically applauded and chanted equality of rights with liver cells. Then a wide tape took the floor. He made a report on the history of the issue. Say, there used to be a golden time when no one knew about worms, not that they should fight them. But then came a vague and dark time when worms were found and treacherously began to poison and withdraw. However, development does not stand still. And now no one dares to question the equal rights of worms to food and the freedom of their self-determination in the body. No one is allowed to oppress the worms with medications and other obscurantism. And that it is necessary to eradicate helminthophobia by all means. Since worms are equal to all human organs. And what is worthless to stand in the way of progress.
          A block of microscopic parasites made a proposal to declare the immune system as chauvinistic, and human organisms that do not have worms are backward and not progressive. The proposal was unanimously supported by the high assembly.
          The hepatic trematode in a block with opisthorchias advocated that the worms be allocated a quota for blood supply in accordance with their need. And equate in rights to the brain. After this, the word took a bull tapeworm. He said that chauvinism in relation to worms is completely unacceptable, as it violates the consent in the body and leads to consequences. He proposed a law banning politically incorrect chauvinistic expressions. From now on, instead of the word “worm”, the term “autonomous human organ” should be used, and instead of the word “parasite”, one should say “a symbiotic of the second kind”. The idea of ​​political correctness was greeted with thunderous applause, turning into a standing ovation. Everyone was very happy and pleased with the established liberal order and completely arranged a worm parade. But then suddenly everyone gathered felt that for some reason it was getting colder. And oxygen with nutrition has become quite scarce. And they even decided to stage a protest against such flagrant discrimination. However, they didn’t have time. The man died. His body could not cope with parasites. I did not overload the load. So there was no nutrition in his gut, nor conditions. His worms also died out with him .... request Here is the same kind of liberal parasites in the body of the state. Sincerely, Diana's charm! love love love
          1. murriou
            murriou 26 December 2016 10: 02
            +18
            Bravo!
            But I will continue the analogy. The main worms in the body of our country are the criminal oligarchic elite and partly serving it, partly officials who have grown together with it.

            The fact that liberal-indignant worms and ruling worms are sometimes at odds is understandable. Not everyone has enough places above, places below are not so tasty, but any protesting swamp liberal would be happy to cling to power and behave like the current supreme worms. And some of them, including the notorious Nemtsov, managed to visit the government, and showed themselves not at all from the best side.

            So all of them are smeared in one world, from top to bottom, from top to bottom, and they must be etched all at once. Like 100 years ago.

            PySy. I put a brilliant comment to which I answered, plus - i.e. I tried to expose, but for some reason there was a zero in the assessment. What are the phenomena again?
          2. Diana Ilyina
            Diana Ilyina 26 December 2016 10: 04
            +19
            Vladimir, my respect! love As always, you are compelling in your comparisons! I cannot but express my enthusiasm for the dream of a certain Bilzho described by you ...! I was just delighted, but there was no time to unsubscribe. If only all these bilges, gozman, Svanidze, Chubais, dogs and other rubbish would have dreamed exactly the same dreams, only in reality !!! This would be a deserved and fair reward for such ghouls here!
            Once again my respect! hi love
        2. veteran66
          veteran66 29 December 2016 11: 00
          +1
          Quote: Diana Ilyina
          I myself would now burn the entire liberal brotherhood with a hot iron and my hand would not flinch.

          in the 20s, in the same way, with the same slogans, they "burned out" the counter, then those who "burned it out", in the 30s under the guise of "enemies of the people" were shot and exiled to the camps, and then, in the late 30s and the next "burners" have reached them. I am considering the chain Dzerzhinsky-Yagoda-Yezhov-Beria, are you not afraid to get into this mechanism? Those "burners" also thought that they were sinless faithful Leninists-Stalinists.
    4. murriou
      murriou 26 December 2016 08: 38
      +7
      Quote: Deck
      How could you get them? You are not his descendant.

      And now, only Vlasov’s descendants can receive data on Vlasov’s betrayal? lol
    5. free
      free 26 December 2016 09: 15
      +3
      Quote: Deck
      Are there documents about the fact that Stepan Karagodin was shot as an accomplice of the Japanese invaders? You can show? How could you get them? You are not his descendant. Or is it the fruit of your creativity


      Why are you so concerned about this?
      1. Uncle Murzik
        Uncle Murzik 26 December 2016 10: 48
        +10
        but because in life it turns out about "repression" and various books are invented! Immortal GULAG - a lie for the sake of PR
        pikabu.ru ›... bessmertnyiy_gulag__lozh_radi_piara ...
        came with a photo of the "repressed" On the Internet, part of the requests for the name of the "repressed" brought us to the Memorial website. Whether it is worth believing the data of this resource, in the light of its controversial financial and legal history, is up to you. I would not recommend it. For a couple of names in open sources, nothing was found. The request to the archives also gave nothing. Perhaps the "immortal Gulag" simply invented them for the volume of the repressed. But for three names, Wikipedia gave an extremely curious answer.
        Ivanchenko Nikolay Nikolaevich According to activists, he is a scientist engineer and professor, who was shot on October 2, 1937.
        According to Wikipedia, it is also a scientist, engineer and professor, but there is no data on his death. True, in 1939 he graduated from the LII GVF. During the siege of Leningrad, he was engaged in the design and installation of diesel-electric installations at enterprises. He became a professor in 1966. And until 1986, he worked at the Central Research Diesel Institute.
        How Comrade Ivanchenko came out after repressions and execution to make such a dizzying career is worth asking the activists of the Immortal Gulag. Although here they will probably answer that the name "Nikolay Nikolayevich Ivanchenko" was quite common in Soviet Russia and their repressed "scientist, engineer and professor Ivanchenko", "scientist, engineer and professor Ivanchenko" from the free encyclopedia are simply namesake. And indeed, professors by the name of Ivanchenko in the country of councils was "a dime a dozen"
    6. BAI
      BAI 26 December 2016 11: 01
      +5
      Is it really hard to search yourself?
      There is like this:
      "eyewitness memories:

      “In the summer of 18, he [Karagodin-great-grandfather] was elected to the Regional Congress of Workers. I remember his speech at this congress, I talked a lot about culture, schools, hospitals, etc. But by the fall a group of poor Volkovka had somehow gathered and said: Korogodina will give birth to good soil, let's go plow it. This was enough for a sharp change in his mood. When meeting with him at that time, he was already beginning to sneer at talking about the slogan "Workers of all countries, unite." This supposedly unites, smugglers, tramp unites, and we, the owners, the end is coming. Bosyak power, not our peasant power. ”

      “In the morning of September 18, 1918 [under the command of the chieftain of the Amur Cossack army Gamov I.M. and with the support of the Japanese troops] Stepan Ivanovich Karagodin, as part of a Cossack assault landing party (a group of 50 people) [formed and armed a couple of weeks earlier in Sakhalyan] storms the city of Blagoveshchensk from Sakhalyan (crossing the Amur River on a landing ship). After taking the city, he takes part in the arrests of the Bolsheviks at the station (in total about 20 people were arrested). ”

      More and more interesting. And here are a couple of quotes:

      “1920 year. Partisan detachments go through the city through Volkovka. His sister’s husband was killed [the guy was good and killed by mistake] (Georgy Anufrievich Sharenko was killed), they took away a fur coat from Karagodin and, it seems, a horse. That was enough to again for a long time restore him against the Soviet regime. I remember my debates of that period with him. Wild hatred was for everything that existed. Hatred of the father was transmitted to his children. Back in 22, his son told me that we will beat you all soon [with my son, I studied together at the Polytechnic]. So until the age of 24, all my agitation did not lead to anything. ”
      There is so (the granddaughter himself laid out):
    7. avt
      avt 26 December 2016 12: 02
      +11
      Quote: Deck
      How could you get them?

      Well, Roman got it or not, that's his problem. Another thing
      Quote: Deck
      Or is it the fruit of your creativity

      this is the fruit of your laziness, or the arrogance of the intelligentsia, well, the very one that implies carrying the knowledge given from above about everything at once, that is, about nothing and, as a result, a stupid unwillingness to know at least something yourself. The GULAG archive has been OPEN since the 90s. Not a front yard, of course, but if you fill out a simple procedure for applying for the need to provide archival documents, then there are NO problems with the primary sources for twenty years already. But the most piquant thing is neither the Svanidzemlechins, nor the chronicler Solzhenitsin himself and other memorials in the forms for issuing documents. stupidly no, that's all. Well, but it's understandable, it's one thing to work with archival documents on a specific work with unclear financial prospects for publication, another thing is to suck a grant for "collecting memory" at best, in the sense of generally accepted decent understanding, from the finger.
    8. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 27 December 2016 00: 31
      +2
      Quote: Deck
      Are there documents about the fact that Stepan Karagodin was shot as an accomplice of the Japanese invaders? You can show? How could you get them? You are not his descendant. Or is it the fruit of your creativity

      Yes, nothing changes. Grandfather is an accomplice of the Japanese, grandson, sells the islands to the Japanese. "Oranges will not be born on the aspen tree." Therefore, the granddaughters "unjustly punished" to the grandfather's wall. There they will be more comfortable and calm. ("Deck" side by side, they will look good)
    9. Glafira
      Glafira 28 December 2016 00: 03
      +1
      On the Internet this topic was discussed many times, and here the author gives its results. Yes, documents were cited about Karagodin the elder.
    10. Siberian
      Siberian 28 December 2016 10: 07
      +1
      Google: Armen Gasparyan, having rummaged through the archives (and he never refers to the Internet and "eyewitness accounts" - only archival documents), he presented all this live (on FM radio)
    11. Relic Empire
      Relic Empire 28 December 2016 15: 46
      0
      http://blog.stepanivanovichkaragodin.org/?page_id
      = 398 - a private matter

      http://blog.stepanivanovichkaragodin.org/?page_id
      = 4892 - biography

      I read, he was clearly not a dove of peace.
    12. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 28 December 2016 16: 11
      +3
      Quote: Deck
      Are there documents about the fact that Stepan Karagodin was shot as an accomplice of the Japanese invaders? You can show? How could you get them? You are not his descendant. Or is it the fruit of your creativity

      If we are talking about Karagodin Stepan Ivanovich, then he had an interesting biography in the Civil Code ...
      In 1918, August, 25-28, Stepan Ivanovich took part in the II Peschanoozersk (Peschanoozerka village of the Amur region) peasant congress, organized by the "Union of grain growers". The congress condemned the activities of the commissars of the Council of People's Commissars of the Amur Region and refused to support the mobilization of the peasants of the Amur Region into the Red Army. Then he elected his own Executive Committee (17 people in total) [in the formation of the composition of which, most likely, KARAGODIN Stepan Ivanovich took part], calling himself the “Provisional Executive Committee of the Amur Region.” The Committee spoke out “for the creation of new government bodies on a democratic basis with the participation of all population ", after which he demanded from the Amur Regional Council of People's Commissars to transfer power to him, and also appealed to the peasants of the Amur Territory with an appeal to create self-defense units.

      In the morning, September 18, 1918 [under the command of the chieftain of the Amur Cossack Army Gamov I.M. and with the support of the Japanese troops] Stepan Ivanovich Karagodin, as part of a Cossack assault landing party (a group of 50 men) [formed and armed a couple of weeks earlier in Sakhalyan] storms the city of Blagoveshchensk from Sakhalyan (crossing the Amur River on a landing ship). After the capture of the city, he takes part in the arrests of the Bolsheviks at the station (in total about 20 people were arrested).

      According to the records in the orders for the Amur Cossack army, from 05.03.1919/05.04.1919/XNUMX to XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX Stepan Ivanovich together with his brothers Fedor and Dmitry took part in the battles against the Reds (Bolsheviks) in the composition of the free Cossack hundred.
  2. iury.vorgul
    iury.vorgul 26 December 2016 06: 57
    +14
    Thank you, Roman. I read the article with great pleasure and added it with even greater pleasure. Rotten Western "democrats" and "liberals" (I would call them what they deserve, but they will be banned again) themselves do not repent of anything and consider themselves a "superior race", but constantly reproach us (Russians) and demand repentance. And their paid singers agree with them.
    1. avt
      avt 26 December 2016 12: 09
      +5
      Quote: iury.vorgul
      they themselves do not repent of anything and consider themselves a "superior race", but they constantly reproach us (Russians) and demand repentance. And their paid singers agree with them.

      request So it was all foreseen and voiced!
      “... It is necessary to smash and cast aside the rotten theory that with each advance we make, the class struggle should fade more and more, that as our successes the class enemy becomes more and more tame.
      This is not only a rotten theory, but also a dangerous theory, because it puts our people to sleep, leads them into a trap, and gives the class enemy the opportunity to recover in the struggle against Soviet power.
      On the contrary, the more we move forward, the more success we have, the more the remnants of the defeated exploiting classes will become embittered, the sooner they will go to more acute forms of struggle, the more they will harm the Soviet state, the more they will clutch at the most desperate the means of struggle as the last means of the doomed ... "(I. Stalin" On the shortcomings of party work and measures to eliminate the Trotskyist and other double-dealing people "//" A word to Comrade Stalin. "M., 1995, p. 121-122).
      What do you want after the birthright was sold in 1991? Here comes the counter-revolutionary revenge with the attempts to restore the monarchy. The historical spiral ponimash by classics. How actually during it to France, Prinkite, what is the number of the republic now in la Fgans?
  3. alex-cn
    alex-cn 26 December 2016 07: 04
    +24
    Actually, no more than yesterday, at the VO, a speech by Jacob Kedmi appeared, I do not think that he is a great friend to us, he is just a sane person.
    And my opinion is that the British cut their king's head off, and do not remember ... the French shortened their monarchs, rotted the Dauphin in prison, and celebrate the day of the Bastille ... the Germans of the last of the Hohenzollerns ended up in a concentration camp and keep quiet ... - then they must repent. Maybe it’s a tendency to “self-digging,” which came from Dostoevsky, or they still want to impose it on us.
    1. Deck
      Deck 26 December 2016 07: 18
      +5
      No need to repent - remember. And then they celebrate the Revolution with us, and they erect other monuments to Nicholas. A hundred years ago it was, it is necessary to feed on the future of their children and grandchildren.
      1. murriou
        murriou 26 December 2016 08: 47
        +20
        Nikolashka did not deserve the monuments, and his memory is not good. Behind him, the lost Russian-Japanese and unsuccessful World War I, followed by inhibition with the necessary social and economic measures, followed by the ineptly lost empire.

        Now he is glorified not for his merits, there are none, but in contrast to the Soviet era, the most glorious in the history of our people.

        Quote: Deck
        A hundred years ago it was

        And the capture of the Bastille was 223 years ago. Now this is a national holiday of ALL French, they see nothing strange in celebrating it.

        As for our past, interest in it is also important because it is also a choice of the future.
        We are being forced to return to the Republic of Ingushetia with its terrifying social stratification and inequality, rampant illiteracy, obscurantism, the backwardness of industry, the triumph of incompetence and failure of the upper classes.
        One must understand what such a choice leads to, how it can and should end, as it did 100 years ago.
        1. Diana Ilyina
          Diana Ilyina 26 December 2016 09: 17
          +20
          Bravo Moore! love As always, you are at your best, accept my sincere applause! hi I can only add that in addition to the lost wars, on the conscience of Nicholas the Bloody Khodynka tragedy, bloody Sunday, three revolutions and a bunch of victims of the civil war! Yes, yes, it was on his conscience that all these victims. Like the victims of all conflicts in the post-Soviet space, they lie on Gorbachev in the first place, and only then on Yeltsin.
          1. murriou
            murriou 26 December 2016 09: 46
            +7
            hi love
            The backwardness of Russia, of course, did not begin to accumulate under Nicholas, but under it it became especially significant, and this was manifested in everything, in all spheres of life. The list can be made long, we even ran along the tops together - without touching the problems of the economy, education, industry, the agricultural sector ...
            1. Diana Ilyina
              Diana Ilyina 26 December 2016 10: 11
              +17
              murriou Today, 09:46 ↑
              The list can be made long, we even ran along the tops together - without touching the problems of the economy, education, industry, the agricultural sector ...
              It’s for sure that only upstairs! Just recall how Nikolashka sold his own soldiers to France for shells and equipment ...! It’s hard to imagine even more shame and humiliation! Although there is nothing to be surprised at, for him it was apparently in the order of things. A gamble with drawing Russia into WWII is generally the top of the cretinism of the tsarist government. At the same time, the language is still turning around among our Khlebok bakers, accusing the Bolsheviks of signing the humiliating Brest Peace. I just have no words, only emotions, and only according to Lavrov ...!
              1. murriou
                murriou 26 December 2016 10: 36
                +8
                But in the REV, was it otherwise?

                The "strategy" approved by the tsar led to the destruction of 1TOE, the surrender of Port Arthur, the death of almost 20 thousand of its defenders and the capture of almost 40 thousand. The mediocre lost war in total cost the lives of almost 100 thousand Russian people. But who of the top was concerned about the fate of the "gray cattle"?

                Kuropatkin was removed only after Mukden, the last land battle of the RJV, after a completely and shamefully lost war on land, and he did not suffer any punishment.

                Tsushima - the death of another squadron, more than 30 warships, 6 thousand. prisoners, 7,5 thousand dead, is entirely the merit of His Imperial Nothingness.

                The forces were unequal, the conditions were even more unequal, the Russian squadron was obviously doomed in the event of a battle - but, while it remained out of combat, outside the theater of operations and with the opportunity to enter it, it remained an unbroken trump card, giving a chance on the honorable conditions of peace with Japan.

                The imperial order to continue the movement of the squadron towards death led to the beating of this Russian map. After Tsushima, the Japanese became full masters of the situation at sea, and took advantage of this to capture Sakhalin, and in Portsmouth received huge benefits.

                The country's money, intended to enhance its defense capability, was largely plundered and wasted, including primarily by members of the imperial family, not mythical Japanese agents.

                The money that went to diamonds for ballerinas, the relationship with which was not even hidden, was the bad quality of Russian weapons, poor-quality armor of Russian ships, their slow construction, untrained personnel, the incomplete construction of the fortifications of Port Arthur, not completed ahead of time the deepening of the fairway in Port Arthur , in the end - all the shame and loss in the REV.

                And before the WWII it was exactly the same.
                1. murriou
                  murriou 26 December 2016 10: 49
                  +6
                  And by the way, the RYaV itself is entirely "merit" of mediocre and stupid tsarist "diplomacy."
                  1. Diana Ilyina
                    Diana Ilyina 26 December 2016 11: 10
                    +15
                    Well, if you remember what military "geniuses" were put at the head of the tsarist government, then why be surprised. The Tsar's governor and a relative of Tsar Alekseev, brought more confusion and confusion into the command of the especially Port Arthur squadron. Admiral Stark, who hanged all the dogs for the night attack of the Japanese on the squadron, practically did not command the squadron, but fulfilled Alekseev's wishes. Stoessel is not only mediocrity, but also a coward and a traitor. Fock, this one is just a traitor. About Kuropatkin everything is clearer than it is. There were only two people who could hold onto the squadron and the defense of Port Arthur, Admiral Makarov and the commander of the 7th East Siberian Rifle Division, General Kondratenko. One was hindered by their presence on the squadron, the grand dukes, who were not so much engaged in the squadron as in drinking, the second Stoessel in the chiefs, both died. Actually, with the death of Makarov, the squadron came to an end, and with the death of Kondratenko, Stessel and Fock were untied for direct betrayal and surrender of the fortress.
                    About the "successful" actions of Kuropatkin and Alekseev, I will just modestly keep silent. And this is despite the general heroism of ordinary soldiers and sailors, as well as part of the officers!
                    The list goes on and on.
                    And to the crushers one can recall the "merits" of Kolchak, so adored by them!
                    1. murriou
                      murriou 26 December 2016 12: 16
                      +4
                      If I never happened to read Ignatiev's memoirs, "50 years in the ranks", I recommend very well, there is a lot written about the RYA - and including about how the tsarist generals put intrigues with each other and everyday pleasures above the tasks of the war with the Japanese, as they were divorced from the real state of affairs and from subordinates, which incompetence they showed at every step.
                      It was the RJV that forced Ignatiev to change his views on tsarist power.

                      Apparently, did you have any impressions about Port Arthur from reading Stepanov? The book is well written, but with real history there are strong differences. Including, Stessel’s betrayal was not proved, no matter how hard they tried to hang all sins on him, and the possibility of the fortress enduring resistance indefinitely was a crystal bakery myth, and this was shown with full conviction in the trial of Stessel.

                      Before the surrender of the fortress, among the remaining in the ranks, a significant proportion (several thousand!) Were wounded and sick with scurvy, several thousand more seriously ill and wounded were in hospitals, infirmaries and disabled teams, after the surrender nearly 2 thousand Russians were killed defenders of Port Arthur, despite adequate medical assistance - it was already impossible to save them, and there were much more wounded and sick.

                      But the saddest thing is the absolute senselessness of the heroic resistance of the Port Arthurs. Significant Japanese forces were riveted to the fortress, but the Russian army under the command of Kuropatkin did not take advantage of this to a sufficient extent, attempts to counter the Japanese on the river. Shahe and Sandepu failed. Rozhestvensky’s squadron reached the theater only in May, a few months after the surrender of Port Arthur and the complete destruction of the 1st TOE, Kondratenko and Makarov could not hold out until that time.

                      And by the way about Kondratenko: it was he who wrote the report at the very beginning of the REV, in which he assessed the state of the fortress and preparations for defense as unsatisfactory, and considered the defense in such conditions to be hopeless.
                      This only emphasizes his heroism and courage, of course, but completely erases the myth of the possibility of continuing the defense for a considerable time.
                      1. Diana Ilyina
                        Diana Ilyina 26 December 2016 12: 37
                        +12
                        Moore, I agree that it was already pointless to continue the defense, BUT who allowed the Japanese to land on the Kwantung Peninsula ?! Who without a fight handed over Dalniy with all the property and warehouses ?! Is not Stessel responsible for all this as the head of the Kwantung fortified area ?! The surrender of the Far without a fight, without destroying property and warehouses, is an open betrayal, isn’t that so ?! Did Fock steal the 4th East Siberian Division and expose the landing site for an assault without the knowledge of Stessel ?!
                        Yes, I agree that in some places and in some things Stepanov has no connections, but in general, what was described in the book was the place to be.
                        As for the Kondratenko report, he, as a military engineer, knew better than others about the condition of the facilities and the readiness of the fortress for defense.

                        P.S. And the trial of Stessel is also very indicative. Of the many points of prosecution, as a result, only three remained, and in fact one, the surrender of Port Arthur. And the replacement of the death penalty, with a conclusion that he almost never served, is one in ten years. And then general rehabilitation. I see this as a general desire of the tsar to hush up this matter, since there the whole tsar’s family was covered up, including in corruption cases!
                      2. murriou
                        murriou 26 December 2016 16: 03
                        0
                        Quote: murriou
                        among the remaining in the ranks, a significant proportion (several thousand!) Wounded and sick with scurvy, a few thousand very seriously ill and wounded were in hospitals, hospitals and disabled teams

                        Here, I got to the source: "The Russo-Japanese War of 1904-1905." - SPb., 1910. T. VIII, Part II, Appendix No. 105.

                        It indicates that from the garrison in hospitals, infirmaries and weak teams (usually recovering or sick, unsuitable for battle, but able to perform simple work) on December 20, 1904. consisted of 13,8 thousand, composed of parts of the wounded 1,3 thousand, scurvy 4 thousand, other sick 443 people, a total of 5,8 thousand, total sick and wounded, in the ranks and at the time of treatment, 19,6 thousand - almost half all available forces.
                    2. murriou
                      murriou 26 December 2016 12: 25
                      +4
                      Quote: Diana Ilyina
                      And to the crushers one can recall the "merits" of Kolchak, so adored by them!

                      Kolchak is a separate song!
                      The "outstanding polar explorer" was not only just an ordinary hydrographer and a little storekeeper during the expedition, but was largely responsible for the death of Toll's expedition.

                      The really outstanding polar explorer Makarov, knowing Kolchak's "merits", assigned him to a supernumerary and unpromising career position, and if it were not for the early death of Stepan Osipovich, we would never have heard anything about Kolchak.

                      The "brave naval officer", during the preparation of the ITOE for a risky breakthrough, SUDDENLY discovered an exacerbation of radiculitis, "wealth in polar expeditions", and on this basis wrote off to the shore - but after the RYAE he sharply "forgot" about his sciatica never had continued naval service in the Baltic.

                      There have been several mines in Port Arthur. dozens of ships. but all the merits associated with this, Kolchak and his current fans attributed to him alone.
                      The Barathea, whom Kolchak commanded on land in the REV, was physically incapable of the feats that he invented for her in his reports.
                      And such reports kept his entire career.

                      And it's just disgusting to hear about his "honesty and nobility". After he, forgetting about his wife, with a small sick child, who had just fled from Libau from the German offensive, had an affair with the wife of his comrade in arms.

                      What can I say - what are the idols, such are the fans.
              2. Sarmat149
                Sarmat149 27 December 2016 07: 35
                +2
                I remind you of the following.

                The last Emperor of the Russian Empire, Nicholas II, was numbered among the Saints by the Russian Orthodox Church of the Moscow Patriarchate and the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia. The mention of the saint's name in the commentary with such epithets as "Nikolashka" is an insult to religious beliefs.

                This is not criticism, this is an insult. Keep track of what you type.
                1. murriou
                  murriou 27 December 2016 10: 07
                  +5
                  And what, we have already introduced state Orthodoxy, as with nicholas, and repealed article 14 of the current Constitution? It depends? Something I missed such a landmark event!

                  And if it is not canceled, then religious fanatics like you, imposing on all citizens of the Russian Federation what is really only for parishioners of the Russian Orthodox Church, violate the current Constitution of our state and provoke conflicts for religious reasons.
                  This is already a violation of the law. Keep track of what you type.
                  1. Sarmat149
                    Sarmat149 27 December 2016 11: 32
                    +2
                    I didn’t break anything and you know it. You will express your thoughts without unnecessary epithets, that's all. And what about fanaticism? Well, it’s always been yours. They are modern Communists (nothing that ruined the country), the main thing is that they do not tolerate dissent, the liberals also do not tolerate, how are you alike. Alright with these liberals.

                    What are your beliefs than fanaticism? Last week I personally proposed peace to you in one of the comments. Your answer is lol. So which of us is a fanatic? People ceased to believe you, and the USSR fell apart. I won’t argue further, I don’t see the point.
                    1. murriou
                      murriou 27 December 2016 11: 41
                      +3
                      Quote: Sarmat149
                      I personally offered you peace in one of the comments.

                      The trouble is that your "peace proposals" are essentially an offer of surrender. your opponents are obliged to repeat your mythology or be silent in a rag, and you, and ONLY you, can freely express your views.

                      Therefore, of course, lol - what else can you answer such a generous offer? lol
                  2. bk316
                    bk316 27 December 2016 17: 59
                    +3
                    But you really beg for the article, you can be an atheist as much as you like, but the feelings of believers must be respected, and the saint in Orthodoxy is a saint.
                    1. murriou
                      murriou 27 December 2016 18: 10
                      +7
                      When Orthodox Christians learn to respect the religious feelings of Muslims, Hare Krishnas, Atheists, Catholics, Gentiles, worshipers of the Osiris and Set, Ishtar and Mitra, Satanists and Buddhists, and also learn to express their religious feelings exactly within their temples, I will continue to talk with pleasure the topic laughing
                      1. Paranoid50
                        Paranoid50 28 December 2016 08: 55
                        +6
                        Quote: murriou
                        When the Orthodox massively learn to respect the religious feelings of Muslims, Hare Krishnas, Atheists, Catholics, Gentiles, worshipers of the cult of Osiris and Seth, Ishtar and Mitra, Satanists and Buddhists, and also learn to manifest their religious feelings exactly within their temples, I will continue

                        With all my heart, colleague. hi
                      2. bk316
                        bk316 28 December 2016 13: 41
                        +4
                        When the Orthodox massively learn to respect religious feelings

                        The idea is clear: I will be a scoundrel, a rapist and a murderer, as long as there are scoundrels of rapists and murderers in the world, and when I remain the last I'll think about it.
                        For such a criminal code they did.
              3. veteran66
                veteran66 28 December 2016 09: 56
                +1
                Quote: Diana Ilyina
                Just recall how Nikolashka sold his own soldiers to France for shells and equipment ...!

                and for what commies of their own soldiers sent to Africa, the Middle East and Afghanistan? Cuckoo praises the Rooster for praising the Cuckoo ....
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          2. CONTROL
            CONTROL 26 December 2016 10: 36
            +3
            Quote: Diana Ilyina
            that past the lost wars, on the conscience of Nicholas the bloody Khodynka tragedy, bloody Sunday, three revolutions and a bunch of victims of the civil war!

            I do not agree.
            Not on his conscience - but these events occurred during his reign, the leadership of the country!
            There were a lot of things during Putin’s rule ... there was! and it happens ... What can it be blamed for? The head of state is just a man, he is not omnipotent!
            Some American presidents did dream and were eager to change the course of this Masonic-Mormon country with the descendants of sea, land and financial pirates at the head ... Have they achieved a lot? ...
            Quote: Diana Ilyina
            Yes, yes, it was on his conscience that all these victims. Like the victims of all conflicts in the post-Soviet space, they lie on Gorbachev in the first place, and only then on Yeltsin.

            If for Nicholas the failure to take the necessary and harsh decision was a matter of difficult moral and religious choice, for Gorbachev it was a matter of gaining political prestige ... and for Yeltsin, you couldn’t take into account a hangover ... you can also conduct an orchestra and the airplane’s wheel is both. ..but! ...
            -------------------
            Many here are unflattering - in past comments - spoke about Arkady Gaidar (has nothing to do with Yegor Gaidar - this one just "clinging" to his surname).
            With a detailed acquaintance with his biography, you begin to understand the deep tragedy of this man, during the period of "commanding the regiment" as a young man! Yes - judged! is it wrong? though cruel - time and situation dictated!
            But - how did this further affect the personality of Arkady? and - actually repented to himself, his conscience - his whole life! Nervous breakdowns, mental disorders - up to ...
            This was the reckoning for the revolution, and the formation of Soviet power! And you thought it came so easily to people - that Soviet Union, about which many (and I, too) now regret ?!
            ... and this is only one tragedy ...
            1. murriou
              murriou 26 December 2016 10: 56
              +6
              Quote: CONTROL
              Not on his conscience - but these events occurred during his reign, the leadership of the country!

              Nicholas is not winy? lol
              Didn't he make decisions? Didn't he set the course for the government?

              The "Tsar Cannon" does not fire, the "Tsar Bell" does not ring, the "Tsar Tank" does not go, the Rag Tsar does not rule? Let's say so. But this is also his fault and his responsibility.
              1. CONTROL
                CONTROL 26 December 2016 11: 42
                +4
                Quote: murriou
                Quote: CONTROL
                Not on his conscience - but these events occurred during his reign, the leadership of the country!

                Nicholas is not winy? lol
                Didn't he make decisions? Didn't he set the course for the government?

                The "Tsar Cannon" does not fire, the "Tsar Bell" does not ring, the "Tsar Tank" does not go, the Rag Tsar does not rule? Let's say so. But this is also his fault and his responsibility.

                Well, tads, let's go ahead! Far so ...
                ... Stalin is to blame for the beginning of the Great Patriotic War - it is the Second World War! Warned about aggressive intentions? Yeah ... And he - the commanders plant (or sow? ...) in the camps ... You understand, bare the whole - the future "confrontation line" ... tanks without fuel ... aircraft without ammunition ... officers on vacation ... and teh teh ... Ah, are they traitors? And "what is your evidence?" Well, and so on ...
                ... the bastard Suvorov is in some ways right!
                -----------
                Well, move on? or - let’s trample on the spot and understand: a person assumes, but ...
                So anyone can blame! Remember the monologue of the history teacher from "We'll Live Until Monday" about Lieutenant Schmidt ...
                --------------
                Specific time, specific - alive! sometimes oh-oh-oh-very alive "- people ... specific circumstances! ... Well, you have to shoot your brother ... son ... wife ... on suspicion of ...! But - I don't want to. ..
                ... so, dear murriou - do not chop the shoulder! bad for the lower back ...
                1. murriou
                  murriou 26 December 2016 12: 41
                  +5
                  I have already cited the personal guilt of Nikolashka in Tsushima above, "did you notice"? lol
                  After all, his order sent the squadron to certain and useless death.
            2. Barkun
              Barkun 26 December 2016 11: 41
              +6
              No, no, no ... Resurrection (they went to the tsar, could, incidentally, accept the deputation, or even go out, talk. Personal decision.) And Khodynka (gifts on behalf of the sovereign were handed out. Personal decision), at least directly associated with the head of the reigning house. As well as the Lena execution (shareholder of the mines. Personal relationship). All three of these things concern him personally. But the revolution is definitely only "during the reign", but, strictly, in consequence of this reign.
              1. veteran66
                veteran66 28 December 2016 11: 30
                +2
                Quote: Barkun
                Khodynka (gifts were handed out on behalf of the sovereign. Personal decision)

                then let's remember Stalin’s funeral, how many people were crushed there? Khodynka, what did the tsar personally organize? Rave!
                Quote: Barkun
                As Lensky execution (shareholder mines. Personal attitude)

                and this is not what gates does not climb, Lensky execution was by order of the mayor, out of fright, organized. But by decree of the emperor, a commission was organized, the result - the mayor under the article, the sergeant in command of the execution was sent to the regiment with a lower rank (then he died in the 15th raising the battalion to attack), the monopoly of Lenzolot was liquidated (which the workers wanted). For comparison, the Novocherkassk execution and the consequences - the commission, the courts and finished the rest and the terms for the rest. Experience the difference between the people's power and the "bloody king"
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                  1. veteran66
                    veteran66 29 December 2016 10: 02
                    +1
                    Quote: Uncle Murzik
                    and how many people were crushed at the funeral of Stalin?

                    http://www.allkriminal.ru/archives/417 вот свидетельства известных людей, а сколько подавили, до сих пор неизвестно, тогда разве коммуняки людей считали. А уж тем более такой повод, вождя народов хоронили, зачем ещё омрачать?
                    1. Uncle Murzik
                      Uncle Murzik 8 January 2017 15: 21
                      0
                      1
                      Stalin's funeral: a bloody crush - Topic ...
                      allcriminal.ru/archives/417
                      On March 5, 1953, Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin, a communist dictator who ruled the Soviet Union for many years, died. Before the funeral ceremony ...
                      According to Yandex, the site can be dangerous! This is the source laughing not what to yourself from where infa
            3. avt
              avt 26 December 2016 12: 18
              +2
              Quote: CONTROL
              Not on his conscience - but these events occurred during his reign, the leadership of the country!

              Oh, wei! Taki
              Quote: murriou
              Nicholas is not winy?

              The owner of the Russian land!? Well,
              And then tell him that they in England are stealing no less than ours.
              Yes, yes, and the rule of law in the country is determined not by the presence of thieves, but by the ability of the authorities to neutralize them.
              It was called a cargo .... responsible for the consequences of the houses in response to the challenges of the time, still get into the back ..
              1. vlad-58
                vlad-58 26 December 2016 20: 48
                +2
                Quote: avt
                It was called a cargo .... responsible for the consequences of the houses in response to the challenges of the time, still get into the back ..

                ... and you personally how about this ... well, with bruises? Or - were not called? neither burden nor anything else?
                Is it white ... or "white"? Or the king of "this business" - truffle! Maintain your royal dignity! but - underground ...
                -----------------
                Nikolai Romanov, a simple Russian peasant who was once an autocrat, was killed by Yurovsky ... he was shot with his family! Obviously - from fear and a feeling of weak political positions of the criminal Bolsheviks who came to power, in the wake of a mess in the Russian Empire - arranged not only - and not so much! - the autocrat, but also his inner circle! you should not make a sort of Ivan Susanin from the former last king ...
                ------------------
                ... Yeltsin, too, the Soviet Union and Russia did not collapse alone ...
        2. CorvusCoraks
          CorvusCoraks 28 December 2016 12: 56
          +5
          Quote: murriou
          We are being forced to return to the Republic of Ingushetia with its terrifying social stratification and inequality, rampant illiteracy, obscurantism, the backwardness of industry, the triumph of incompetence and failure of the upper classes.

          Yes, and do not need to impose anything. The church already climbs into all cracks (obscurantism).
          Quote: murriou
          social stratification and inequality

          After 91 years, this is abundant and tends to worsen.
          Quote: murriou
          general illiteracy

          Again, according to some opinions, the level of education compared to the conspiratorial level became lower than the plinth. For those who are 25-20 years old is not so noticeable, but the current students are not all, but significant. part confirm.
          Quote: murriou
          the backwardness of industry, the triumph of incompetence and failure of the upper classes.

          It is also more or less present.

          To some extent, we can say that this is a consequence of the 90s when they ruined, plundered everything that they could (build a new one on the ashes of the old world - all revolutions, coups lead to this).
          1. murriou
            murriou 28 December 2016 15: 15
            +2
            In 1991, it was rather the other way around: on the ashes of the new world, the ugly old one was restored.
    2. Duisenbay Bankankulov
      Duisenbay Bankankulov 26 December 2016 07: 39
      +3
      It’s just that when the enemy respects Stalin more than the inhabitants of the country where Stalin’s contribution to the development and empowerment of the Union’s power, it always looks suspiciously ...
      1. murriou
        murriou 26 December 2016 08: 52
        +5
        So after all, in Russia its enemies are against Stalin.
        1. CorvusCoraks
          CorvusCoraks 28 December 2016 13: 25
          +1
          Yes, you don’t have to be against it, you just need to look at the results of the WWII -16 or -27 million population, there would still be a couple of such victories or industrializations with dispossessed afterwards and no winners left.
          1. murriou
            murriou 28 December 2016 14: 44
            +4
            Without collectivization, there would have been no industrialization, without industrialization there would have been no Victory in the Second World War, and without victory there would have been no Russian people — Hitler had intended for him complete extermination. K.O.

            But "pigs cannot see the sun - they cannot raise their snout to the sky. Pig sees the sun in a puddle - there it is no worse." You are beyond your trough to see and judge are incapable.
            1. CorvusCoraks
              CorvusCoraks 28 December 2016 15: 07
              0
              Okay, I don’t mind, let there be industrialization and so on, let the alliance be, but is it possible своих kill less people?
              Is it possible to win not so that the sex of the country is destroyed, and the bastard of people is lost?
              I can be wrong, but sometimes one gets the feeling that the value of people in life is not about the USSR 1917-1953 and individual episodes after.
              1. murriou
                murriou 28 December 2016 15: 20
                +3
                About the value of human life, tell Russian soldiers and sailors, many thousands and tens of thousands of which were stupidly ruined in the shamefully lost RVE, and then tens or hundreds of thousands laid down for British-French interests in WWII.

                The USSR, at least, achieved a lot, and the lives of Soviet citizens were given for good reason.
                He defeated the Germans and the Japanese, who defeated tsarist Russia as small, created a superpower, went into space.
                Tsarist Russia has given many lives to its citizens for their constant shame.
                1. CorvusCoraks
                  CorvusCoraks 28 December 2016 15: 43
                  +1
                  YES that you are all Tsarist Russia, Tsarist Russia.
                  Tsarist Russia had its own shortcomings, its own problems, its own +, its own -. their traitors, nonsense and stuff
                  Nevertheless, no matter how bad c. Russia, I believe that Oct, Feb. Revolution is a betrayal of their country. For when there is confusion, reeling not only in the trenches, but also within the country, this leads to defeat.

                  I mean, is it possible to take the best from the USSR, but without the need to pay for all the achievements with your lives?
                  1. murriou
                    murriou 28 December 2016 19: 03
                    +3
                    Quote: CorvusCoraks
                    YES that you are all Tsarist Russia, Tsarist Russia.

                    And why do you think the revolution took place?
                    That is precisely because there was no other way out of the impasse into which tsarist Russia rested.
              2. Alexey RA
                Alexey RA 28 December 2016 16: 48
                +4
                Quote: CorvusCoraks
                Okay, I don’t mind, let it be industrialization and so on, let the alliance be, but isn’t it possible to kill less people?

                Can. If you do everything on time. And do not delay with industrialization right up to the end of the 20s of the 20th century.
                Because the pre-revolutionary development of industry is not fully industrialized. For it left Russia an agrarian country - the majority of the population remained in the village, with 80% of this rural population living almost in subsistence farming. As a result, Russian industry fought like fish on ice in the absence of a domestic market: in order to reduce the cost of production it is necessary to increase production volumes, to increase volumes - mass demand is needed ... but it is not. The population is formally a lot - but few buyers. As a result, there is a lack of series with all its charms such as terms and cost. Other countries solved this problem with an external market and colonies ... but we did not get any colonies, and foreign markets were already reliably fenced. Industry was often held mostly by government orders. Lessner's example is illustrative: a person decided to make cars, started production ... and closed after 3 years - there is no demand. And he had to switch to the production of torpedoes.
                On the other hand, industry was stifled by a lack of personnel. The flow from village to city categorically did not cover the requirements, moreover, unskilled laborers flowed back during the spring and autumn agricultural work (Kazi also complained that shipbuilding drastically reduced the pace of work in spring and autumn).
                In other countries this problem was solved radically - fencing, the expulsion of the rural population from the land, laws on vagrancy and work houses. And the hop factories got the shots. smile
                1. murriou
                  murriou 28 December 2016 19: 00
                  +2
                  Quote: Alexey RA
                  we did not get colonies, and foreign markets were already reliably fenced.

                  There were many circumstances creating a kind of vicious circle, requiring certain efforts and investments to overcome a significant change in the whole life of the country.

                  Not that this could not be done. This could not be done so that everything worked out by itself, quickly, easily, and even with a profit laughing

                  And the tsarist officials tried to solve the unsolvable problem "how to change everything so that nothing had to be changed", with an understandable final failure.

                  There were not enough workers at all, there was not enough qualification i.e. even those hands that were already straight, lacked high-tech equipment, did not have enough time and opportunities to carry out urgent orders, which floated past because of this, and again and again lacked money, and so on, and everything was spinning as before, with the growing lag of Russia from developed countries.

                  At the same time, there were colonial outskirts, but in them development and investment of capital did not go at all.

                  And there was a foreign market, and domestic, but there was nothing to offer.
                  For example, Russia bought cars abroad in quantities many times higher than its own production, and on Rousseau-Balt more than a third of the manufactured cars lay and rusted in the form of illiquid sets of spare parts, because their factory did not want to sell below cost, but at cost above nafig nobody needed, against the background of cheaper and better foreign counterparts. It was even worse with airplanes.

                  For comparison: Japan began to engage in its own military shipbuilding shortly before the REV, Russia - starting with Peter.

                  Already after 1902 Japan stopped buying destroyers / destroyers abroad, which Russia did before 1910, and began to provide for itself; and after the WWII, she was already in the third place in the world in shipbuilding and delivered destroyers even to France, in other shipbuilding achievements she was also ahead of Russia.
                  And no amount of "enclosure of foreign markets" prevented her from doing this: they lowered the price - paid demand immediately appeared.

                  And Edison began by selling his light bulbs at a price several times lower than the cost, a few years later he already had huge profits and a natural monopoly in the market. At that time, while Russian businessmen suffered that water does not flow under a lying stone, they don’t want to turn their mill.
                  1. Alexey RA
                    Alexey RA 29 December 2016 10: 05
                    +3
                    Quote: murriou
                    For example, Russia bought cars abroad in quantities many times higher than its own production, and on Rousseau-Balt more than a third of the manufactured cars lay and rusted in the form of illiquid sets of spare parts, because their factory did not want to sell below cost, but at cost above nafig nobody needed, against the background of cheaper and better foreign counterparts.

                    And why were our cars more expensive than foreign analogues? Yes, because there was a larger sales market beyond the hillock, and accordingly it was possible to organize large-scale production, reducing the cost of the product (and even increasing its quality, but the stability of its characteristics). Work the French only on our market - and their prices would be like on Russo-Balt. smile
                    Our industry has fallen into a vicious circle: in order to increase demand, it is necessary to lower costs, in order to lower costs, it is necessary to increase output volumes, and in order to increase volumes, we need increased demand in the domestic market. smile
                    1. murriou
                      murriou 29 December 2016 13: 32
                      +2
                      The reasons were much more than one.
                      1. Backward technologies => higher cost of work.
                      2. Low-quality materials => more consumption, more required safety margin, worse weight and dimensions. For example, "Russian" planes of French design, made according to French drawings at the "Russian" plant "Dux", turned out to be about 10% heavier than the original, with all of them crawling out of here.
                      3. More overhead expenses included in the prime cost, incl. illegal requisitions and legal fiscal fees.
                      4. A significant part of the materials and assemblies had to be imported, hence again the rise in price.
                      5. Much more production defects due to low skilled workforce. Also overhead.

                      It's like in our artisanal assembly firms of the early 2000s, computers on AMD were more expensive than on Pentiums, although the processes themselves were much cheaper - but those that work for a pittance are "quick to learn", i.e. Nichrome not able boys, ruined a significant part of the process with open crystals.

                      Quote: Alexey RA
                      in order to lower the cost, it is necessary to increase the volumes of output, and in order to increase the volumes, increased demand is needed in the domestic market.

                      The Japanese had the same problems, but that did not stop them.

                      The government has given significant tax and customs incentives to advanced defense enterprises - and here you have a sufficient cost reduction.

                      If necessary, it was worth complaining about requisitions - and shah, no one is going anywhere. And those who dared to go too far lost their posts in the best case for them.

                      One of the first actions of the Japanese authorities during the "Meiji revolution" was the introduction of universal and free primary education, then they reached secondary education. And shit, the problems with the qualifications of the workforce quickly passed.

                      As a result, Japan quickly overtook and surpassed Tsarist Russia.
                      And then the USSR quickly caught up and overtook Japan.

                      And only for tsarist Russia, where the personal profit and personal laziness of each official from top to bottom was the decisive issue of technological progress, could one remain in an enchanted circle for at least centuries.
                2. murriou
                  murriou 28 December 2016 19: 12
                  +1
                  Quote: Alexey RA
                  In other countries this problem was solved radically - fencing, the expulsion of the rural population from the land, laws on vagrancy and work houses. And the hop factories got the shots.

                  By the way, in Russia this path was not used at all from humanism.

                  And because this would infringe upon the interests of the landowners, who categorically did not want to abandon the cheap but unproductive primitive labor of the peasants in favor of enlarging and modernizing agriculture.
    3. ImPerts
      ImPerts 26 December 2016 08: 17
      +4
      If you listen to the full transmission, the impression is even greater. Cedmi is right, we always try to trample our past into the mud. Yampolskaya also looked very competently.
  4. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 26 December 2016 07: 12
    +12
    I liked the article. Well, at least what country has repented for? I don’t remember something. If anyone knows ---- I will be pleased if I find out. Just in the morning the program about Nazi criminals in South Africa lived and did not think to repent. And in Germany they knew about them and did not repent ..
    1. CONTROL
      CONTROL 26 December 2016 10: 48
      +3
      Quote: Reptiloid
      I liked the article. Well, at least what country has repented for? Something not to recall.

      You may wonder what is "Thanksgiving", popularly celebrated in the USA!
      ... "love" this country half to death ...
    2. Uncle Murzik
      Uncle Murzik 26 December 2016 10: 56
      +3
      Reptiloid and when Peter the Great repented to the families of archers which he chopped heads! wassat
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 26 December 2016 13: 28
        +1
        In general, this is a very interesting idea --- to look at our Russian believers, Orthodox rulers from this perspective. It is recalled that Ivan the Terrible performed prayers. In general, from childhood on these topics are works of art. And you need to read more seriously
  5. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 26 December 2016 07: 28
    +5
    in one terrarium
    I'm afraid of snakes! Brrr! I can imagine what kind of adder it will be!
  6. cap
    cap 26 December 2016 07: 45
    +10
    “There is an important scientific and social problem. For the most part and almost never rehabilitated those people who really fought with the Soviet authorities. Is modern Russia still ready to consider them enemies of the people? This is a public question that needs to be answered. And if we get an application for such a character, we will start a public discussion. ”
    Who are you talking about?


    As soon as D. Soros’s dollars run out, the public discussion will end. Or maybe sooner as soon as the society runs out of patience and an article appears in the Criminal Code.
    1. CONTROL
      CONTROL 26 December 2016 10: 49
      +2
      [quote = кеп] [quote] As soon as D. Soros dollars run out, [/ quote]
      ... he will still draw them!
      1. cap
        cap 26 December 2016 11: 12
        +6
        [quote = CONTROL][quote = кеп] [quote] As soon as D. Soros dollars run out, [/ quote]
        ... he will still draw them! [/ quote]
        Then plan "B".
  7. Basil50
    Basil50 26 December 2016 07: 55
    +10
    It has been many years after * crying * about repentance, but I have never met documents where there were innocently convicted. I have not met or heard. As soon as they get to the point of the accusation, the cries about * the beaten-out testimony * immediately begin, perhaps it was, but this does not change the essence of the charge. In Kazan, most recently, the police station was disbanded for the death of a suspect, sadists were shot in the Soviet Union.
    But in modern Western Europe there are OFFICIAL instructions for torture, and not only in the police, but also in secret prisons. In modern Europe, dear psychologists and anatomists creatively approached torture and created instructions for use to speed up the process of * recognition *. For our liberals, all the same, the European * values ​​* are the most valuable, but they are not able to voice these values, well, except of course the rewards for following these * values ​​*.
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 26 December 2016 13: 33
      +2
      Here was an article once about torture in the UK.
      And American affiliates in Europe do not offend anyone from the EU.
  8. parusnik
    parusnik 26 December 2016 08: 08
    +14
    According to a sociological survey conducted in Japan by local services, about 70% of Japanese people have a negative attitude towards Russia and about the same positive attitude towards the United States, a country that has bombarded them in vain .. That's the work of the Japanese Yeltsin centers .. .This also awaits us over time .. if Yeltsin-the centers do not close ... This is until we resist .. and then .. water. The stone is sharpening ..
  9. ImPerts
    ImPerts 26 December 2016 08: 21
    +3
    I do not like to watch Solovyov because of screams, screams and other things. In principle, other talk shows do not like because of this, but the transmission from 22.12.2016 is worth a look in full. Especially from 1 hours to 21 minutes, where the conversation about Stalin began:
    1. fif21
      fif21 26 December 2016 10: 20
      +1
      Quote: ImPerts
      I do not like to watch Solovyov because of screams, screams and other things.
      And I love . Soloviev, son of a lawyer, Satanovsky, Kedmi laughing Poroshenko, Schuster laughing War and the Germans.
  10. murriou
    murriou 26 December 2016 08: 55
    +3
    maybe it’s better if all reptiles in front of Western democracy are gathered in one terrarium?

    With one condition: this terrarium should be behind a reliable bars.
    The creatures in it should be in the position of prisoners, not the masters of our lives.
    And to receive not all the blessings of life, but a severely limited ration of the balance.
  11. free
    free 26 December 2016 09: 17
    +3
    The article is correct, excellent article. And this Karagodin should first confess to the affairs of his ancestor, and only then want something! There will never be peace for you!
  12. Sober
    Sober 26 December 2016 09: 37
    +2
    I look at the signature: Skomorokhov. Already familiar. Sent by a Cossack, Neatly turns everything upside down. But, so that you do not doubt his sincerity.
    I do not read further than the first line. So that this muck does not poison the soul, it does not get dirty. So everything is clear.
    1. murriou
      murriou 26 December 2016 10: 07
      +1
      Quote: Sober
      I do not read further than the first line.

      "I have not read, but I condemn" lol
      In fact, there are no objections, therefore laughing
    2. revnagan
      revnagan 26 December 2016 10: 12
      +3
      Quote: Sober
      I look at the signature: Skomorokhov. Already familiar. Sent by a Cossack, Neatly turns everything upside down. But, so that you do not doubt his sincerity.
      I do not read further than the first line. So that this muck does not poison the soul, it does not get dirty. So everything is clear.

      Can you confirm your words with at least one fact? The author cited links to authentic documents, which seems simpler: take, analyze, compare and upload, they say here you, sir, lied, here and again here, with which I congratulate you. No, you are unfoundedly spitting on a person, claiming that “I haven’t read it, but it’s disgusting anyway ...” Without refutations supported by iron facts, your “fairy” sounds like ordinary slander and gossip, and it is by no means given out into the atmosphere through the mouth.
      1. Uncle Murzik
        Uncle Murzik 26 December 2016 12: 58
        +1
        revnagan there above in the comments there is a document that even before this figure was put to the wall! so the Soviet government endured for a long time! hi
    3. CONTROL
      CONTROL 26 December 2016 10: 57
      +4
      Quote: Sober
      I look at the signature: Skomorokhov. Already familiar. Sent by a Cossack, Neatly turns everything upside down. But, so that you do not doubt his sincerity.
      I do not read further than the first line. So that this muck does not poison the soul, it does not get dirty. So everything is clear.

      ... to wrap?
      I do not always agree with Skomorokhov - how can you disagree with a person who shoots at the enemy "from the hip" and not aiming, "as expected" ... But this is disagreement with the "method", and not with the result! It still hits, although it does not save cartridges ...
      ... And now - hit, uh ...?
    4. a lex loci
      a lex loci 31 December 2016 00: 56
      +3
      [quote = Sober I do not read further than the first line. So that this muck does not poison the soul, it does not get dirty. So everything is clear. [/ Quote]

      You are not sober - you are the drunken daughter of a Crimean officer (from Washington or, at worst, from the SBU Ruins) and everything is ambiguous.
      But with Skomorokhov, everything is just unequivocal. If scum - so scum and there is nothing tolerance and political correctness to breed.
      for some reason, there is no tolerance about us, let alone political correctness, only screams to repent and pay everyone who can only stretch their paws (from sprats to amers). And Skomorokhov rightly says that one should not repent, but beat the greedy paws (and paws) of foreign "well-wishers" and do not forget about our internal accomplices (they are worms and their benefits are like worms) ...
  13. fif21
    fif21 26 December 2016 09: 38
    +2
    Everyone should be responsible for their actions. Who gave the right to these sick people to evaluate the actions of their deceased relatives? Or again, someone is trying to split society into white and red, humiliating innocent people? And if someone presents me for my grandfather, he will receive for the impudent face, for one simple reason - I owe this person (grandfather) my life. Do not judge, let not you be judged. hi
  14. Dekabrist
    Dekabrist 26 December 2016 10: 19
    +8
    As long as there are conditions for such a historical exhumation, it will continue. There are a large number of people who are not busy with anything useful, but with great desires. This layer, many of which is also sometimes called the intelligentsia, is extremely inventive in the ways of existence without producing anything other than manure, both physically and morally.
    There are all possibilities for this, organizational, communication, financial. Moreover, such activities are in demand and well paid. Thanks to her, you can not only feed yourself, but also crown yourself with the laurels of a politician, human rights activist, fighter for democracy, etc. The table of grades can be continued.
    This mold is far from harmless, as it represents an environment for the propagation of ideas and worse than historical repentance.
    Of the methods of struggle, I can offer only one thing - to remove the nutrient medium. I do not offer methods; there are specialists for this. However, history shows that the presence of serious goal-setting in this regard is very helpful.
    http://m.kp.ru/. В сегодняшней "Комсомолке" как раз статья о Карагодине.
    1. CONTROL
      CONTROL 26 December 2016 13: 20
      +1
      Quote: Dekabrist
      There are a large number of people who are not busy with anything useful, but with great desires. This layer, many of it is still sometimes called the intelligentsia,

      Leo Gumilyov said: "Have mercy, my friend - what kind of an intellectual am I? I have a profession, and I love my Motherland!"
  15. poma
    poma 26 December 2016 10: 54
    +1
    Thank you for the article.
  16. Zatoichi
    Zatoichi 26 December 2016 11: 27
    +6
    My grandfather on the border with Turkey shot a Turkish provocateur, I need to repent too ?! Relatives find her? A hand of reconciliation to stretch? No, comrades, I don’t feel the need for repentance on this occasion ... Grandfather fulfilled his duty, received the medal DESERVED! Those who decided to repent for the deeds of their ancestors, who did their duty, desecrate their memory ... And burn them in hell !!!
  17. Deck
    Deck 26 December 2016 12: 29
    0
    Quote: Corporal Valera
    Quote: Deck
    Are there documents about the fact that Stepan Karagodin was shot as an accomplice of the Japanese invaders? You can show? How could you get them?

    I hasten to answer all your questions. There are documents. I posted them myself offended. Obtained, obviously, by contacting the competent authorities. If you have disabled Google, then here's a link to the victim’s blog. But I immediately warn you, in the documents LIES! Only karagodin speaks the truth! Believe as a native!

    http://blog.stepanivanovichkaragodin.org/?attachm
    ent_id = 2728

    Do not forget the maximum repost and comment about the Crooked executioners and the hellish regime


    In the application, a certificate signed by a GB major? Well, my friend, with this approach, I can safely say that you are a CIA agent, since you use Facebook and Windows)
    1. bk316
      bk316 27 December 2016 18: 10
      +3
      In the application, a certificate signed by Major GB

      And who should it be signed if the investigation was conducted by Major GB?
      I am afraid to even imagine.
      Chairman of the memorial?
      Major SBU?
      Naina Yeltsin?
      Go to the grave to your beloved EBNu arrange a spiritualistic session, maybe he will tell you ....

      By the way for the liberals. For some reason, it seems to me that the EBN so beloved by you, even though he was an alcoholic and, by his stupidity, dullness and love of power, broke great firewood, but if he had the opportunity and been sober, he would have put such karagodins to the wall.
  18. Deck
    Deck 26 December 2016 12: 32
    0
    Quote: free
    Quote: Deck
    Are there documents about the fact that Stepan Karagodin was shot as an accomplice of the Japanese invaders? You can show? How could you get them? You are not his descendant. Or is it the fruit of your creativity


    Why are you so concerned about this?


    Yes, mainly Roman Skomorokhov took care of this. Maybe conscience is unclean, or maybe from whose voice it sings.
  19. Deck
    Deck 26 December 2016 12: 36
    0
    Quote: Barkun
    No, no, no ... Resurrection (they went to the tsar, could, incidentally, accept the deputation, or even go out, talk. Personal decision.) And Khodynka (gifts on behalf of the sovereign were handed out. Personal decision), at least directly associated with the head of the reigning house. As well as the Lena execution (shareholder of the mines. Personal relationship). All three of these things concern him personally. But the revolution is definitely only "during the reign", but, strictly, in consequence of this reign.


    But the people's favorite Poklonskaya believes that he is a saint, walks with a portrait
    1. The comment was deleted.
      1. Sarmat149
        Sarmat149 27 December 2016 07: 22
        +1
        I remind you of the following.

        The last Emperor of the Russian Empire, Nicholas II, was numbered among the Saints by the Russian Orthodox Church of the Moscow Patriarchate and the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia. Mentioning the name of the saint in the commentary with such epithets as "nikolashka" "all sorts of scoundrels" is an insult to religious beliefs and is anti-Russian in nature.

        You have gone too far, this is not criticism, your insults have already gone.
        1. murriou
          murriou 27 December 2016 10: 09
          +6
          By the way, remind me of the life of this saint, with such holy miracles he is glorified and for which he was awarded the canonization. Khodynka, Tsushima, Bloody Sunday, what else? lol

          I believe that these hierarchs of the Russian Orthodox Church, canonicalizing for political reasons a clearly unworthy person, have offended the religious feelings of the Orthodox.
        2. murriou
          murriou 28 December 2016 21: 07
          +1
          In fact, something you are deeply right about, colleague! lol
          The word "scoundrels" in relation to Nicolas-double is really not the most suitable one.

          According to the rhyme, it asks for "for *** ntsev", and in fact it is much more suitable: in his position, His Imperial insignificance has done a good job, but to be a conscious bastard, this is not enough.
          And yet - censorship considerations, however.

          For the rest I am forced to state your mistakes.

          As for the insult to religious feelings, I insist that such an insult was the canonization of a loser and foolishness through the fault of the hierarchs of the Russian Orthodox Church, committed for obvious political, but not religious reasons, thus committing an explicit prostitution of the Church and profaning the Faith.

          You are also mistaken in confusing the sufferer, with whom canonized Nikolas-2, with the saint.

          The list of miracles and deeds of faith accomplished by this "saint", which I have asked for a long time, you still have not been able to provide to me (and other readers).
          Don’t be upset, NOBODY has been able to do this for all the time since laughing
      2. ArhipenkoAndrey
        ArhipenkoAndrey 28 December 2016 12: 58
        0
        Nicholas II, was king and led the country, if he had not abdicated, the February revolution would not have such results and consequences, October is a consequence, the enemy is a liberal called progressive.
        1. murriou
          murriou 28 December 2016 14: 48
          +2
          Quote: ArhipenkoAndrey
          was king and led the country

          Yes. And he was very bad at leading, which led to all of the above. Is it so hard for you to understand yourself? lol
      3. veteran66
        veteran66 28 December 2016 13: 49
        0
        Quote: murriou
        Natasha was good. There was no beauty in Crimea

        Clearly, the crest of Troll ...
        1. murriou
          murriou 29 December 2016 04: 09
          0
          Quote: veteran66
          Clearly, the crest of Troll ...

          You, as always, are much * intellectual exploits *. lol
          Do you think that you see a hohlotroll who approves (!) Poklonskaya’s arrival to the post of general prosecutor of Crimea and the beginning of her work in this position? laughing
      4. couch but smart general
        couch but smart general 29 December 2016 02: 31
        +2
        welcome dear! hi I completely agree with your opinion about Nikolashka. Now, to nyasha ... nyasha is PROJECT .. with all that it implies ... PR project and nothing more. Judge for yourselves intelligence zero. Apart from appearance, nothing, although at the expense of intelligence, I realized in time that waiting for Ukraine and whisked where ......... it will be warmer. and she swore allegiance to Ukraine. Of course, praise that she abandoned fascism BUT! fascism originated in Ukraine even under Yushchenko, why didn’t she whisk to us then? -then her beautiful buns were still warm .... so God forbid she will bark with us and she will whisper from us without blinking an eye .. these are the elements .. and as for merit, they can only of their own mind to fulfill what was said and not themselves thinking, I’m afraid to imagine how innocent she has broken fortunes ... she needs brains in such a position, but she clearly doesn’t have them ....
  20. murriou
    murriou 26 December 2016 13: 04
    +4
    Diana Ilyina, the forum engine for some reason drove the answer here from the continuation of the topic, well, so be it.
    Stessel's guilt of mediocre leadership, indecision and incompetence is beyond doubt, but betrayal is a completely different article. Although, yes, according to the results - radish horseradish is not thicker.

    In the surrender of positions near Jinzhou (aka Chinchou and Nyanshan heights), which led to the surrender of the entire peninsula and Port Arthur as a result, Stessel is not directly involved - he did not control these events, and I can not judge how much he should deal with it. In any case, he was not officially charged with this.
    Considering the head of the fortified area, he did not fulfill duties above the previous duties of the commandant of the fortress.

    This is the fault of Wittgeft - to a large extent, the outcome of the matter was decided by the active and constant support of the battle by the Japanese gunboats, and the lack of such support from the Russian side. The position was perfect, with normal artillery support, including from the sea, it could be held any time even against the entire Japanese army.

    As always, "victory has many fathers, and defeat is always an orphan." Not that I sympathized with Stoessel, but definitely he was chosen as a scapegoat for all sins, mostly strangers - so that more and more high-ranking persons to whom he obeyed, both the governor Alekseev and the Great Prince, would remain behind the scenes. "seven pounds of august meat", and personally His Imperial Nothingness.
  21. Fiber forehead
    Fiber forehead 26 December 2016 13: 57
    +1
    Hutspists-Satanists sweat in their sweat, erasing the historical memory of the Slavs. But they do not understand that the pendulum of the universe has already begun to move in the opposite direction, in the direction of good and creation. God bless us!
  22. Patriot2012
    Patriot2012 26 December 2016 17: 51
    +11
    Stalin has nothing to do with most executions, the people working in the field are to blame, as they are now. Example: The top of EP said it was necessary to attract more people, especially young people, to the party. The regional cell has already given a plan, and d *** l heading the local cell came and gave instructions to all workers to join or they will not receive an annual bonus and will be dismissed from work 100% (this is a real case). Is to fire these people will be the top of the EP. Just under the guise of power, as now, there are people who pursue their personal goals, or simply want to curry favor, not all of course, but there are a lot of them. And while they will be - it will always be so.
    1. MrK
      MrK 27 December 2016 13: 41
      +2
      Quote: Patriot2012
      came and instructed all workers to join or they won’t receive the annual bonus and will be dismissed from work 100%


      I agree. I myself saw how the university was accepted into the edro by the whole faculty. And the rector issued the certificates personally. Try not to enter this biljo here.
  23. Sleeping hedgehog
    Sleeping hedgehog 26 December 2016 22: 20
    +2
    I completely agree that it is impossible to put dissidents and some "militant groups" in the same row. It was still not enough for us to adopt the American euphemism "armed opposition"! There were dissidents - political opponents who fought by political means. And there were people who fought with weapons, made holes in other people. This cannot be lumped together!
    1. ArhipenkoAndrey
      ArhipenkoAndrey 28 December 2016 12: 55
      +1
      Yes, not dissidents enemies in general, because dissent is also different, someone disagrees with their views, someone just decided to cut down the attendants against the power of opposing themselves, the main enemy is a liberal in all its manifestations, living in Russia and fiercely hating it, adoring it " the progressive "West and doing any custom-made nasty things to his country, wishing to be defeated in any wars, rejoicing at any disaster that happened in Russia - these are the main enemies of the country who are spoiling from within.
  24. den-protector
    den-protector 27 December 2016 22: 41
    +4
    It is not clear what and whose remorse is discussed in the article. Not for that in 1991 a bourgeois-oligarchic coup took place and the thieves came to power in Russia to repent of someone. Under the USSR, too, the "kingdom of heaven" was not observed, that is, one hundred percent justice, but there was certainly no such lawlessness as now. Our main problem is the colossal stratification and polarization of our society, which is actually divided into the estates of masters and everyone else (as yet personally, but conditionally, free). Another problem that we got from 1991 and related to the first problem is the robbery of the people by squeezing out (privatizing) state and collective farm property by a bunch of former communists and Komsomol members who suddenly became democrats and entrepreneurs, denouncers of the Soviet totalitarian regime. These problems are slowly but surely pulling our long-suffering country into a new Troubles. War and devastation really do not want to. Our "partners" will immediately take advantage of this. But you cannot live on like that. If any cardinal changes are possible, then only as a result of some kind of emergency of all-Russian scale, when the country may be on the verge of destruction. The sluggish civil war escalated after the 1991 bourgeois coup. We must face the truth. Society is still divided into red and white and the Communists have nothing to do with it. Recently, pro-government political, pseudo-cultural figures and groups have made more and more attempts to impose on the population of Russia the idea of ​​"reconciliation" between the "red" (the majority of the population robbed since 1991) and the "white" (bourgeois, bureaucrats, "creative" intelligentsia, etc. the "elite" of society). It is felt that Military Review did not escape this trend, there are many similar conciliatory throws. This is done to maintain the existing status quo, i.e. the power of the bourgeoisie over the rest of the poor population and to continue such a "banquet". The idea of ​​"reconciliation" supposedly to maintain a common country for all. We do not need a new Troubles, but unless the "elite" has peacefully surrendered the acquired back-breaking labor since 1991. Does such a country have a happy future for slaves and masters? The year 1917 showed that no. What should be “tomorrow” so that it, this “tomorrow” the country generally had. We need a transition to a new state system - socialism (taking into account the mistakes of the Soviet Union), the nationalization of strategic sectors of the economy, the elimination of private ownership of the means of production. It is necessary to change ideology (not superficial, official-patriotic), state system, mobilization economy and preparation of the country for a possible global war. Perhaps the blind man does not see the increasing possibility of such a war. Need a purge of society from top to bottom. And such large-scale events are possible only under socialism, if the leader of the country and his team have political will. True, now in Russia there is no leader at the level of F. Castro, V.I. Lenin, I.V. Stalin, E. Guevara. As for Himself, he is most likely part of this same "elite" or family, and he stands guard over its interests. Well, I will not believe for anything that EBN suddenly had a conscience at the end of 1999, and he decided to retire. Just the so-called elite decided to change the top manager. As for the economy, unfortunately, it is focused mainly on the export of raw materials. The economy stagnates for a long time, if it does not fall. Why do we need to develop our industry? It’s better to let foreigners start on something that has not yet been stolen and aggravate dependence on TNCs (TNBs). Import substitution is just a fiction. Replacing one import with another. According to the zombie man, they always talk about the opening of some new industries. Where is it, maybe on another planet? I don’t know how in other cities, but in my hometown (the administrative center of the subject of the Russian Federation in the NWFD) and in the region too, everything only falls below the plinth, with work getting worse and worse. The population is tense at the most I can not, as the last elections showed.
  25. ArhipenkoAndrey
    ArhipenkoAndrey 28 December 2016 12: 49
    +2
    Probably in the light of the last centuries, it should become clear that the main enemy of Russia and its people are the liberals, they are liberals, it is these creatures living in Russia that fiercely hate her and her people, doing everything to destroy it, having their own tambourine interest, people, in fact without a homeland, for them where there is a warm closet and a feeding trough, there is a homeland, scoundrels working for the owner, and the most interesting thing is that the owners give them the opportunity to broadcast from the media ... echelons, examples, everyone already knows, and this happened practically at all times of the existence of Russia of Russia, an external enemy could not overthrow the power, and bourgeois-liberal revolutions easily plunged the country into chaos and humiliation - there should be one principle - I saw a liberal propagandist on the street in the snout, in the government a complete boycott by the authorities, otherwise we will get another "February" revolution and sabotage.
  26. CorvusCoraks
    CorvusCoraks 28 December 2016 13: 35
    +1
    On the topic, one could repent if it turned out that his ancestor was wrongly, unfairly convicted, but if he is really a murderer, a criminal, then this is another matter.
  27. murriou
    murriou 28 December 2016 14: 42
    0
    bk316judge by yourself? lol А зря.

    In fact, the correct understanding looks like this: until the Orthodox, or other religious fanatics, learn to respect other people's religious feelings, they have no right to demand respect for their own.
    1. bk316
      bk316 28 December 2016 20: 01
      +3
      Do you understand what the joke is? I don’t believe in God.
      And I demand from you not to respect my feelings, I demand to comply with the law of the Russian Federation.
      Giving up?

      I’m not even going to chew you that insulting saints, you insult ALL Orthodox, even those who have already died and have not yet been born.
      Well, you don’t understand this.
      Therefore, I simply ask: Do you knowingly refuse to comply with the law of the Russian Federation?
    2. Stanislas
      Stanislas 28 December 2016 20: 35
      0
      Quote: murriou
      until the Orthodox, or other religious fanatics, learn to respect other people's religious feelings, they have no right to demand
      Zealots generally do not learn to respect other people's feelings. Try to focus not on barmaleys and psychopaths, but on ordinary people, if you yourself are not a fanatical militant atheist with a bias in the inferiority and danger of everyone who does not believe in the fundamental absence of God.
  28. acrshooter
    acrshooter 28 December 2016 16: 07
    0
    A couple of years ago, this topic was addressed on the Alternathistory; I'll look for an article ...
    Update: alternathistory.com/priznanie-vs-pokayanie
  29. Old Horseradish
    Old Horseradish 28 December 2016 17: 27
    +2
    Nicholas II was the Great Emperor of Russia. The fact that he fell in battle with his country - well, and the heroes die. But, and we have been living with oligarch commissars for almost 100 years. How do we live? Sucks. I’m glad that the Gulags have not yet returned. So as not to be unfounded about the Communists, that's who rules us now.

    As for Zyuganov, this is the same oligarch. He only says that he is "against". And so with both hands "for". As well as Zhirinovsky. Clowns.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 29 December 2016 10: 07
      +5
      Quote: Old Fuck
      Nicholas II was the Great Emperor of Russia. That he fell in battle with his country
      More precisely, he deserted from his post in the midst of World War II, transferring power to a handful of oligarchs and talkers, who, six months later, were thrown off by the marginal party, which numbered about 20 people at the time of the emperor’s abdication. smile
  30. murriou
    murriou 28 December 2016 21: 14
    +3
    And also about "insulting religious feelings."

    1. One who does not respect FOREIGN feelings, is not entitled to demand respect for his own.

    2. It is said in the Scripture: if anyone has Faith, even with a mustard seed, he can move mountains.
    Who didn’t be able to move mountains by his Faith is not fully considered by believers, and again he has no right to demand respect for his feelings lol

    0. In our secular state, and not only in it, the aphorism is deeply true:
    "Religious feelings are like a penis: you can have it, you can be proud of it, you can use it for its intended purpose in appropriate intimate cases - but you CANNOT poke it in the face of everyone."
  31. Evgenijus
    Evgenijus 2 January 2017 19: 51
    +1
    vladimirZ,

    Russia "fed the whole of Europe" at the expense of large landowners' farms, and peasants, especially those with few horses or completely horseless ones, barely made ends meet, as laborers for the same landowners or local wealthy.


    I agree about the priests, that the dispute is at an impasse, we finish. But about the peasants in the landowners' farms that fed Europe - who are they? Perhaps the landowners were behind the plow? Or fists? You separately spoke about the poor: "horseless." So why should the kulaks go to Siberia, and the disobedient ones - to the wall? The priests were guilty, but to shoot them (according to your interpretation). And those peasants from the landowners' households - who are they? The first time I hear such an option is about such peasants. Even in the works of Mr. Lenin, this is not ... wink
    1. vladimirZ
      vladimirZ 3 January 2017 10: 17
      +1
      And those peasants from the landowners - who are they? The first time I hear such an option, about such peasants - Evgenijus

      Why? What you don’t know what is laborer?
      Here, for example, are excerpts from "History of Russia", Chapter 25 "Economic Development of Post-Reform Russia".
      http://www.e-reading.club/chapter.php/1004900/123
      / Cimbaev_Nikolay _-_ Istoriya_Rossii_XVIII-XIX_veko
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      The poor were forced to hire farm workers to the landlords, were engaged in crafts, went into the city to earn money. The number of laborers in 1897 amounted to 3,5 million people. Lack of land and the inability to live off the allotment led to the growth of peasant crafts, especially developed in non-chernozem provinces. Crafts gave on average up to a quarter of the income of peasant farms; among the poor, this figure exceeded 30%. There were whole non-chernozem counties, especially near large industrial centers, where normal agriculture fell into complete decline. Curious is the evidence of the Zemstvo statistician who served at the very end of the XNUMXth century in Vladimir province: “With the word“ peasant ”we have an idea of ​​a farmer who, in the sweat of his face, gets his bread. What a surprise the observer is when he does not see a single male person in whole districts, who knows how to tackle a plow, even just put a horse in a cart. Whatever a man is, either a carpenter, or a bricklayer, or a factory worker, who comes home only to rest and has the most vague idea of ​​his land that women cultivate. ”

      Low land forced the peasants to enter into agreements with the landowner, the essence of which was not much different from the old corvee system. These were working offs when the landlords cultivated the peasants with their equipment and using their livestock, instead of renting arable land and other land from the landowner. Sometimes they simply worked off a loan to the landowner on money or grain loans. The evidence of primitive attempts to adapt to new commodity-money relations in conditions when cash in the village was clearly insufficient was share-building and utilization. With the ubiquitous sharecropping, peasant land rent was paid to the landowner due to the share of the crop. A variation of the shareholding was utilization, in which the rent was half the harvest, every second sheaf. In lean years, when the shareholding did not live up to the landowner’s expectations, a peasant was made an allowance, which he had to work out after collecting the next crop.
      Thus, peasant dependence on the landowner increased.

      In the structure of personal private ownership of land in European Russia, noble land ownership was steadily declining: from 80% in 1877 to 61% in 1905. The small nobility accounted for more than half of the landowner nobles, and it accounted for only 3% of noble land ownership. There was a process of noble impoverishment. Its flip side was a high degree of concentration of noble land ownership. Large landowners, each of whom had an area of ​​more than 1000 acres, accounted for three quarters of all the noble lands. Such owners in the nobility at the end of the XIX century. there were about 8%. The average size of large landowning latifundia in the post-reform period remained virtually unchanged and amounted to over 4100 acres. Large landowners played a major role in the production of commodity agricultural products and, above all, commodity grain. Landowners were the main exporters of grain to the European market.