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The company "Lockheed Martin" has promised to reduce the price of the F-35

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Marilyn Hewson, the head of Lockheed Martin Corp, told Donald Trump that she is committed to reducing the price of the F-35 fighter.


The company "Lockheed Martin" has promised to reduce the price of the F-35
Marillyn Hewson

“I had a very good conversation with President-elect Donald Trump, and I assured him that I clearly and clearly heard his message to reduce the cost of F-35. I give him a personal commitment to drastically reduce the price ",
Hewson wrote in the company's microblog on Twitter.

She noted that she is aware of Trump's desire to make sure that "the United States has the highest military potential at lower taxpayer costs" and the corporation is "ready to provide this."

Recall, the previously elected president criticized the high cost of a new generation of fighter F-35.
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  1. bouncyhunter
    bouncyhunter 24 December 2016 09: 44
    +11
    The company "Lockheed Martin" has promised to reduce the price of the F-35

    What? Got up and sawed? request
    1. Zibelew
      Zibelew 24 December 2016 09: 51
      +12
      Hello Paul. Most likely, Trump hinted at a decrease in the number of aircraft under the contract.
      In general, it would be a pity if such a diamond cut is covered. This was the best option for us)
      1. oleg-gr
        oleg-gr 24 December 2016 09: 57
        +6
        Trump started a conversation about a possible return to the release of the F-18. So they fussed. I do not want to leave the feeding trough.
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 24 December 2016 10: 08
          +9
          How simple it is - they talked and decisively reduced the price.
          Obama and the Democrats have to bite their elbows ...
          1. Stalker.1977
            Stalker.1977 24 December 2016 10: 21
            +1
            I think the situation is not much different, Trump as a businessman really understands that you need to kill loot not only in an airplane that is still far from perfect, but also in the infrastructure for this airplane, retraining those. composition, etc., etc., it’s worth pragmatically considering if there is a real plane like F18 with a fully prepared base. In general, somehow I see each other, but this purely my opinion may be wrong.
            1. karabas-barabas
              karabas-barabas 24 December 2016 16: 49
              +1
              In fact, the F-35 has passed the testing stage and judging by the press, tactics of its use are being worked out at the moment. This suggests that the plane is far from raw. And if we are talking about "perfection", then it would be curious to know, and which aircraft is currently closer to this very "perfection" than the F-35?
              1. Semen Semyonitch
                Semen Semyonitch 25 December 2016 02: 16
                0
                Quote: karabas-barabas
                and which aircraft is currently closer to this very "perfection" than the F-35?

                Su-35 ... But the T-50 will be better in many respects ... The point is small, bring to mind the engines, weapons and put in the troops ... yes
          2. Titsen
            Titsen 24 December 2016 14: 22
            +1
            Quote: Alex777
            Obama and the Democrats have to bite their elbows ...


            What for?

            From rasil they got everything that is supposed to be!
        2. iConst
          iConst 24 December 2016 10: 17
          +2
          Quote: oleg-gr
          Trump started a conversation

          Yes, I, I think, he only looked eloquently at his aunt and she understood everything - the time for divorce of horses has ended.
          1. Niccola Mack
            Niccola Mack 25 December 2016 07: 39
            0
            Oh?
            Such powerful guys sit on the Lockheed board of directors, and with such connections that Trump may also have "conversations" from which it is not easy to get out.
            Rather, the thing is different - Trump is trying to hint - guys, your cuts are already beginning to threaten the existence of the system. How would the Great Depression happen in the USA?
            So let's put the profit margins in a frame so as not to "roll".
            In general, reasonable!
      2. bouncyhunter
        bouncyhunter 24 December 2016 09: 59
        +7
        Good morning Tagiryan! Or maybe, on the contrary, to lower the price of the F-35 unit, and the amount of the contract will not change? Thus, it will be possible to draw in more planes (he wrote and was scared lol ), and this implies repair and maintenance. Trump is a businessman, he calculates everything for 3 moves ahead.
        1. Zibelew
          Zibelew 24 December 2016 10: 06
          +5
          I think Pavel that Trump is the best option for America, but not for us. Babai will not climb Lockheed into the hornet’s hive. If the price does not lower the baboons agree with a competing Boeing hive.
          1. bouncyhunter
            bouncyhunter 24 December 2016 10: 21
            +8
            Time will tell .
        2. iConst
          iConst 24 December 2016 10: 20
          0
          Quote: bouncyhunter
          , and this implies repair and maintenance. Trump is a businessman, he calculates everything for 3 moves ahead.

          Yes, there is no need to be a chess player - the life cycles of technology, including and the military has long been well known. To Maxim, what is needed is a calculator and not be Obama or Bush (ml.) Or Blinton. laughing
          1. karabas-barabas
            karabas-barabas 24 December 2016 16: 53
            0
            I believe that Trump is as much a "specialist" in military technology as Obama, that is, absolutely different people are engaged in such issues. And a drop in the price of the F-35 could mean more orders for Lockheed overall.
      3. Turai
        Turai 24 December 2016 10: 14
        +6
        Do not read Soviet newspapers in the morning. For you, the best option would be to stop the production of the F-35, but for America, on the contrary. They wrote to you that the F-35 is a child prodigy and you truly believe in it. If the release of the F-22 continued, then you would be written that the Raptor sucks and you would also believe in it sacredly. I believe my neighbor, a pilot who has already flown on the F-35 in training air battles against the F-15. He says the superiority of the F-35 is so great that it’s just not interesting to take part in an aerial battle against the F-15. And here you continue to console each other, hight F-35 and further)))
        1. Zibelew
          Zibelew 24 December 2016 10: 19
          +6
          Quote: Turai
          Do not read Soviet newspapers in the morning. For you, the best option would be to discontinue the F-35, but for America, on the contrary

          Yes to us in parallel. If only drying was carried out as part of a state defense order for the aerospace forces.
          Tu 160 began to produce again. T 50 brought to mind. I have enough of my problems
          .
        2. Dryuya2
          Dryuya2 24 December 2016 10: 23
          +2
          Quote: Turai
          For you

          will reduce the price only on the domestic market? or for "partners" too ?? what
        3. Maz
          Maz 24 December 2016 10: 44
          +15
          Quote: Turai
          Do not read Soviet newspapers in the morning. For you, the best option would be to stop the production of the F-35, but for America, on the contrary. They wrote to you that the F-35 is a child prodigy and you truly believe in it. If the release of the F-22 continued, then you would be written that the Raptor sucks and you would also believe in it sacredly. I believe my neighbor, a pilot who has already flown on the F-35 in training air battles against the F-15. He says the superiority of the F-35 is so great that it’s just not interesting to take part in an aerial battle against the F-15. And here you continue to console each other, hight F-35 and further)))

          ))) Strange as it was, I read Soviet newspapers and came to the conclusion that Israel received two pieces of F-35 and immediately opened the lapserdaks and paisas - well, well, I’m supposed to be a peacock and I’m all knee-deep. Yeah, look at the Arabs, they do not forgive such things.

          Israel said it would not implement the UN Security Council resolution on the construction of settlements, Reuters reports referring to the office of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

          Let the neighbor console himself with the thought that they will fight with you on the F-15 if that ... Yes, there my neighbor said that before Israel there is less than a minute of flying to the ICBMs.

          Sonny asks dad, military, colonel in a minibus,
          “Dad, how long does it take to fly to the Dead Sea,” the father of the child, busy with his thoughts, answers the machine.
          “Sixty seconds, son, what are you asking about?” - on the sleeve of Colonel Chevron Strategic Rocket Forces. All the men smiled amicably in the minibus.
          1. Aaron Zawi
            Aaron Zawi 24 December 2016 11: 11
            +7
            Quote: Maz

            Sonny asks dad, military, colonel in a minibus,
            “Dad, how long does it take to fly to the Dead Sea,” the father of the child, busy with his thoughts, answers the machine.
            “Sixty seconds, son, what are you asking about?” - on the sleeve of Colonel Chevron Strategic Rocket Forces. All the men smiled amicably in the minibus.

            R-strategic missile forces in the minibus? So lie and not blush ... lol
            1. Maz
              Maz 24 December 2016 11: 37
              +10
              But a joke, our intelligence general is wobbling around with tricky civilian numbers and nichos.

              And then I’m scared, my hands are trembling.
              Turai wrote me a personal message, a "cool" Jew is weak compared to you, scares a Russian peasant - well, he's obviously lost his mind:

              Maz, you frankly got me. I have no problem with anti-Semites outside Israel, but a big problem with anti-Semites inside Israel. I already spoke about you with my friend from YAHBAL. Another anti-Semitic post will be found by IP, and at least deportation will be guaranteed to you (or perhaps a jail for anti-Semitism). Therefore, either stop writing anti-Semitic posts or return home and write from there.
              I'm already at home. Do not spit drool on Turai, lapserdak and paisas will be ragged.
              1. Aaron Zawi
                Aaron Zawi 24 December 2016 11: 52
                +4
                Quote: Maz
                I'm already at home. Do not spit drool on Turai, lapserdak and paisas will be ragged.

                Well, we are happy for you. The question is different. I also had the unpleasant feeling that you are anti-Semitic living in Israel. But since we were mistaken, do you really not understand that the Israelis from this moment put on your opinion, as on the opinion of Meehan. Well, another anti-Semite. You never know here.
                1. Maz
                  Maz 24 December 2016 12: 06
                  +8
                  Don’t worry. me on you too. But you are so warm here. smart people bullet. I would sometimes like to correct the elect of God. And then you’ll be completely overwhelmed by hanging noodles on the ears of not sophisticated users on the Russian site. What, they don’t let their own people count for Russians, and not for Jews? Be ezrat shem - good luck, moteki.
                  1. Aaron Zawi
                    Aaron Zawi 24 December 2016 12: 26
                    +2
                    Quote: Maz
                    Don’t worry. me on you too. But you are so warm here. smart people bullet. I would sometimes like to correct the elect of God. And then you’ll be completely overwhelmed by hanging noodles on the ears of not sophisticated users on the Russian site. What, they don’t let their own people count for Russians, and not for Jews? Be ezrat shem - good luck, moteki.

                    Well, correct, correct. בהצלחה
                  2. karabas-barabas
                    karabas-barabas 24 December 2016 17: 29
                    +4
                    Why is this ?? That's not dumb to write such an abomination? These Russian-Jews, like Russian-Germans, like Russian-Greeks, like Russian-Belarusians and so on and so forth, come to this site to their home, being registered and should not ask people like you. VO is not a site for people of a certain outlook, but for everyone who is interested in military equipment and for communication, their opinions. Although, of course, if you look at the political department, articles and some comments on them, you can certainly get such a wrong idea about the site. So fasten it, it’s disgusting to read, I would hear such disgust to some person nearby, I would not wait until he gives in his nose, he would give.
                2. Turai
                  Turai 24 December 2016 12: 28
                  +1
                  Well said, Aron. Now I will not even respond to his posts
                  1. Archon
                    Archon 24 December 2016 12: 55
                    +1
                    I wanted to ask. I saw a dubious plot on the Internet. It told about Jewish skinheads in Israel. But do such truths exist or is it fiction? Bald and with swastikas
                    1. Aaron Zawi
                      Aaron Zawi 24 December 2016 13: 21
                      +1
                      Quote: Archon
                      I wanted to ask. I saw a dubious plot on the Internet. It told about Jewish skinheads in Israel. But do such truths exist or is it fiction? Bald and with swastikas

                      There were such. Five people. Of offended type Maza. After leaving, most of them left.
                      1. Yuri from Volgograd
                        Yuri from Volgograd 24 December 2016 14: 40
                        +3
                        Comrades compatriots and Israelis, I don’t even understand why the whole trip?
                        Israel or the United States, these are not the countries with which war is likely.
                        I repeat for the hundredth time, in reality, nobody except China is dangerous to us.
                        States love the show, but even with an average country they won’t get to fight.
                        Israel doesn’t need such a show either.
                        Well, there are people like taupe and Balts and Poles who dream that we would protect them a little thread, but without consequences, they have the task of depicting the victim.
                        Well, Ukraine is now there, unfortunately.
                        Still possible provocations from frostbitten "partners" such as Turkey, but this is also more for show-off, and not for war.
                        While Russia has both allies in shape, all the rhetoric and threats are exclusively for political purposes.
          2. tilix
            tilix 24 December 2016 12: 00
            +1
            what are you asking
            And he is not Zhuravlev Vladimir Alexandrovich - captain, senior pilot. Awarded (posthumously) called? I flew.
            1. tilix
              tilix 24 December 2016 12: 37
              +1
              AUUUU? Maz, sk ... warmed up, where are you? I ask
              And he is not Zhuravlev Vladimir Alexandrovich - captain, senior pilot. Awarded (posthumously) called? I flew.

              Ali Yurchenko Nikolay Petrovich - captain, flight commander. Awarded (posthumously) also flew
          3. Strength
            Strength 24 December 2016 23: 58
            0
            What did Israel not please you? Israel is a country where every 4 Russian speakers. This is an example of what a country can do at the table for a short period of time.
        4. faridg7
          faridg7 24 December 2016 10: 50
          +3
          Quote: Turai
          Do not read Soviet newspapers in the morning. For you, the best option would be to stop the production of the F-35, but for America, on the contrary. They wrote to you that the F-35 is a child prodigy and you truly believe in it. If the release of the F-22 continued, then you would be written that the Raptor sucks and you would also believe in it sacredly. I believe my neighbor, a pilot who has already flown on the F-35 in training air battles against the F-15. He says the superiority of the F-35 is so great that it’s just not interesting to take part in an aerial battle against the F-15. And here you continue to console each other, hight F-35 and further)))

          Well compared. F15 from MiG 25 I would have suffered, at the very reluctance.
          Fu35 is still just an airplane, but it flies, but still has an infancy. He still needs to grow to the aviation complex. Another question is that in such quantity being in operation, this process can be completed quickly.
          1. Turai
            Turai 24 December 2016 11: 06
            +2
            Faridg, I do not want to upset you, but the F-15 was never shot down in an air battle, especially the MIG-25. If you have other information, I expect data from you with the numbers of lost cars and the names of downed pilots
            1. Maz
              Maz 24 December 2016 11: 37
              +5
              Turai wrote me a private message, a cool Jew:
              Maz, you frankly got me. I have no problem with anti-Semites outside Israel, but a big problem with anti-Semites inside Israel. I already spoke about you with my friend from YAHBAL. Another anti-Semitic post will be found by IP, and at least deportation will be guaranteed to you (or perhaps a jail for anti-Semitism). Therefore, either stop writing anti-Semitic posts or return home and write from there.
              I'm already at home. Do not spit drool on Turai, lapserdak and paisas will be ragged.
            2. Maz
              Maz 24 December 2016 11: 51
              +6
              I don’t want to upset you, Private Turai, BUT ... Yeah, they shot down two over the Mediterranean, sorry, they didn’t disgrace any of the partners in the whole world, they didn’t say, bulging eyes. Well, they thought it would pass, but it didn't.
              1. Taran 75
                Taran 75 24 December 2016 12: 18
                0
                but are there any details? wink I think many would be interested to know
                1. Aaron Zawi
                  Aaron Zawi 24 December 2016 12: 28
                  +3
                  Quote: Taran 75
                  but are there any details? wink I think many would be interested to know

                  Of course not. But to believe in fairy tales is easy and pleasant.
                  1. Taran 75
                    Taran 75 24 December 2016 12: 33
                    0
                    what did you forget? am go walk while in memory .... don’t get into the conversation of adult uncles or it will fly ... by chance
                  2. Maz
                    Maz 11 January 2017 09: 39
                    +2
                    This is how fairy tales in Israel do this:
                    http://iland.tv/news/2712/%D0%A6%D0%90%D0%A5%D0%9
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                    10.01.2017/15/01 XNUMX:XNUMX IN ISRAEL
                    IDF spent almost 35 thousand shekels on a ceremonial meeting of F-700 "Adir" aircraft
                    As it became known to the walla! News Internet portal, the IDF command allocated the first two F-35 aircraft received by the IDF from the American concern Lokheed Matin to hold a ceremony.

                    Journalists are outraged by the fact that not only did the IDF purchase these most expensive aircraft in the world, each of which costs $ 400 million, it also spent almost a million shekels on meeting and treating guests, and continues to complain about the lack of budget funds for defense intact.

                    The IDF command confirmed this extravagance in response to journalistic inquiries, explaining it by the high level of the event, which was attended by all the leaders of the state and government and another 5 guests. It is reported that the army spent 270 thousand shekels for the purchase of multimedia equipment for the event, 200 thousand for the operation of a special generator for lighting and sounding the event at the Nevatim Air Force Base, 120 thousand for security, 55 thousand for disposable tableware and 40 thousand for refreshments.
                    1. teder
                      teder 11 January 2017 09: 48
                      0
                      and what excites you so much - how much did you spend?
          2. tilix
            tilix 24 December 2016 12: 04
            +2
            would have suffered
            We shot down the MiG 25, but tell us the opposite? And so, that you can’t keep it, or you’ve heard only one from Yashkin, it’s like Maz, the smoke is black, there is a lot of thunder and there’s nowhere to go.
            1. faridg7
              faridg7 24 December 2016 14: 59
              +3
              Quote: tilix
              would have suffered
              We shot down the MiG 25, but tell us the opposite? And so, that you can’t keep it, or you’ve heard only one from Yashkin, it’s like Maz, the smoke is black, there is a lot of thunder and there’s nowhere to go.

              Shot down, shot down from an ambush. You, like the British, are shitting on the sly. Only your fu15 was shot down in the same battle, July 29, 1981
              1. tilix
                tilix 24 December 2016 20: 44
                +2
                XXX, what's the difference from an ambush, not an ambush. Something I did not see the proud Russian falcons in harmony against ISIS one-on-one for example. And about f15 brought down, maybe yes maybe no, we don’t use the ones that have no analogues in the entire universe, and it’s good that.
                1. faridg7
                  faridg7 25 December 2016 07: 40
                  +1
                  AvtoVAZ started making shaitanmobili? I did not know.
                  And about the losses of your Pepelats, you can of course not recognize them, it's your business, Only auto-training here helps a little.
          3. karabas-barabas
            karabas-barabas 24 December 2016 18: 06
            0
            Well compared. F15 from MiG 25 I would have suffered, at the very reluctance.


            Well, the Serbian 29th MiGs shot down F-16s over Yugoslavia, moreover, in the dry. It is not clear what problems the F-16 against the MIG-25 should have?)
            1. faridg7
              faridg7 24 December 2016 18: 49
              0
              Yes, no, by the time they could have been, on the move there were mostly 25RB
            2. ultra
              ultra 25 December 2016 12: 26
              +1
              Quote: karabas-barabas
              Well, the Serbian 29th MiGs shot down F-16s over Yugoslavia, moreover, in the dry.

              Do you think this speaks of the advantage of the f-16 over the Mig-29?
        5. ultra
          ultra 24 December 2016 10: 52
          +2
          Quote: Turai
          I believe my neighbor, a pilot who has already flown on the F-35 in training air battles against the F-15.

          I also have a neighbor, when he is let out of a fool, he tells amazing stories! laughing
          1. karabas-barabas
            karabas-barabas 24 December 2016 18: 25
            +2
            He has a neighbor pilot, you have a patient from a fool .. I have not yet seen a single serious source confirming that the F-35 is an awkward and clumsy machine, and what can be seen on numerous videos demonstrates absolutely sufficient maneuverability for such an aircraft. There is also such infa that I have never met on this site on the subject of F-35, but I have seen it in some places, so I can’t vouch for 100% certainty that if the pilot gets into such a situation that super maneuverability is needed, then the aircraft itself that is, completely on autopilot, it performs some sophisticated maneuver (for avoiding missiles), but this maneuver is 1/3 of the fuel. I would like to know more about this if such an option is certainly on the F-35.
        6. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 24 December 2016 12: 09
          +4
          Quote: Turai
          . I believe my neighbor, a pilot who has already flown on the F-35 in training air battles against the F-15.

          Do not tell tales. Since when are our pilots to their neighbors saying something to their neighbors? Yes, they generally try not to advertise what they are doing in the Air Force.
          PS Yes, and our today could not conduct training battles anywhere except for simulators.
          1. Turai
            Turai 24 December 2016 12: 25
            +2
            About the pilot, all the neighbors know that he is a pilot. He was in the States for a long time with his family, he himself told me that he studied at the F-35. And just recently I asked him whether it was possible to fly and how the impression of the car was, he answered me that it was uninteresting against the F-15 (of course, without details)
          2. soaring
            soaring 24 December 2016 12: 29
            +1
            Aaron Zawi
            Do not tell tales. Since when are our pilots to their neighbors saying something to their neighbors? Yes, they generally try not to advertise what they are doing in the Air Force.
            PS Yes, and our today could not conduct training battles anywhere except for simulators.

            I respect Respect! Immediately obvious honest Jew !!! I'm serious. hi
          3. just exp
            just exp 24 December 2016 12: 45
            0
            maybe the pilot was just at the base where the pilots were doing such exercises. since the Fu-35 in the states pretty much flew in training battles. the truth is, he lost to everyone there. but it was about BVB. and in DVB with airplanes with old radars, it might well be good to wet the enemy.
            1. Turai
              Turai 24 December 2016 13: 34
              +1
              I do not know . I didn’t ask any more questions, but he wouldn’t answer
            2. HAPA
              HAPA 24 December 2016 14: 00
              +2
              Quote: just EXPL
              maybe the pilot was just at the base where the pilots were doing such exercises. since the Fu-35 in the states pretty much flew in training battles. the truth is, he lost to everyone there. but it was about BVB. and in DVB with airplanes with old radars, it might well be good to wet the enemy.

              did not lose.
        7. Titsen
          Titsen 24 December 2016 14: 26
          +1
          Quote: Turai
          He says the superiority of the F-35 is so great that it’s just not interesting to take part in an aerial battle against the F-15.


          Another couch expert from his historical homeland from the series - one neighbor told!
        8. Tusv
          Tusv 24 December 2016 16: 39
          0
          Quote: Turai
          If the release of the F-22 continued, then you would be written that the Raptor sucks and you would be in that too

          Raptor is a curious pepelats. but it’s better to destroy the basmachi
      4. karabas-barabas
        karabas-barabas 24 December 2016 16: 45
        +2
        In general, it would be a pity if such a diamond cut is covered. This was the best option for us)


        Well, yes, the main thing is sacred to believe that the F-35 is a "diamond cut" and "bullshit", which cunning and insidious Americans have tricked into short-sighted and blunt brits, Japs, Australians, Jews, etc., and not the most modern and dangerous for any enemy at the moment is a machine that is being mastered quite cheerfully at the moment.
      5. jovanni
        jovanni 24 December 2016 20: 04
        0
        Quote: Zibelew
        ...
        In general, it would be a pity if such a diamond cut is covered. This was the best option for us)

        There is hope that lowering the price will sacrifice quality in some way. And yes, sorry ...
      6. GSH-18
        GSH-18 24 December 2016 20: 17
        +2
        The company "Lockheed Martin" has promised to reduce the price of the F-35

        Professional promises.
    2. Finches
      Finches 24 December 2016 09: 57
      +3
      Trump is a businessman and you can’t fool him about dough issues! This is not a descendant of disenfranchised plantation workers, who are still scared of the clicks of the white lord's whip ... laughing
      1. iConst
        iConst 24 December 2016 10: 24
        +2
        Quote: Finches
        Trump is a businessman and you can’t fool him about dough issues!

        This is what bothers. If I was a little afraid of a crazy aunt, but her companions sawed the branch on which the SGA hang and this gave some hope, then this pragmatist without a clowning can bring a lot of problems.
  2. Dezinto
    Dezinto 24 December 2016 09: 46
    +3
    "So be it. We will cut a little less."

    How much does one f 35 cost there? She decided to lower the price. Well done what. 1,5 percent or two !?

    Do not tell my socks they are already funny.

    83 million dollars apiece)))))

    Unit cost planned for the start of full-scale large-scale production in 2019:
    F-35A: $ 83,4 million
    F-35B: $ 108,1 million
    F-35C: $ 93,3 million
    1. just exp
      just exp 24 December 2016 12: 48
      +2
      this is the price excluding the engine, a separate contract for the engine.
      1. HAPA
        HAPA 24 December 2016 12: 57
        +2
        Quote: just explo
        this is the price excluding the engine, a separate contract for the engine


        98 million. Cheaper modern aircraft hard to find for the United States
        Airframe $ 62.475
        CFE Electronics $ 16.315
        Engines $ 12.889 is the engine
        ECO 1.834 $
        + add. equipment for the plant.
    2. Tusv
      Tusv 24 December 2016 16: 51
      +4
      Quote: DEZINTO
      Do not tell my socks they are so funny

      He flies and not a fig is not funny to me. It's funny when it burns in the weeds, and it still needs to be overwhelmed
  3. Bolhevik
    Bolhevik 24 December 2016 09: 50
    +1
    Hopefully there is no one else who hopes for private collectors and museum workers.
  4. aszzz888
    aszzz888 24 December 2016 09: 52
    +1
    I give him a personal commitment to drastically reduce the price, "wrote Hewson in the microblog.


    And with a bubuin, I suppose, sawed loot. Frightened that Trump will start a lawsuit, and she moved out!
  5. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 24 December 2016 09: 54
    +2
    This is how many "ends" they put into profit (the end, in the slang of businessmen, this is the cost price. Two ends - 100% profit) that without batting an eye they promise to "decisively reduce the price!" ... Yes, corporations were dissolved under the "darkest." How many of these wunderwaffe were planted under Obama? And at sea, and on land, and in the air. Again railguns and laser cannons, electromagnetic weapons and "stealth" "loomed" ... Excellent objects under which you can "saw" any amount of trillions - just come on ... wassat
  6. East
    East 24 December 2016 10: 15
    0
    It's funny All that was necessary! Just talk.
    maybe ours too will finally speak, or else all the mantras and noodles.
  7. Leonid Har
    Leonid Har 24 December 2016 10: 36
    0
    If the F-35 was worth $ 100, now it will cost $ 000. Saving $ 000 is a significant saving?
    1. HAPA
      HAPA 24 December 2016 13: 52
      +1
      Quote: Leonid Har
      If the F-35 was worth $ 100, now it will cost $ 000. Saving $ 000 is a significant saving?

      Yes.
      as for 100 planes already saving 100 million, and this is already 1 "free plane"
  8. Altona
    Altona 24 December 2016 10: 50
    +1
    Quote: oleg-gr
    Trump started a conversation about a possible return to the release of the F-18. So they fussed. I do not want to leave the feeding trough.

    -----------------------------
    Yes, he requested a price for a comparable Super Hornet.
  9. Maz
    Maz 24 December 2016 11: 09
    +4
    In our market, if you are trying to get away from a seller who was previously interested in the price, he drops the price of the goods by forty percent. It’s pretty decent to learn Jewish trading. So Trump is not made a felt boot - he knows how to sell and buy. Yes, and surely there is some experience, it’s how quickly Israel’s masterpieces were thrust into Israel by the masterpieces of the American aviation industry.
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 24 December 2016 11: 28
      +3
      Quote: Maz
      In our market, if you are trying to get away from a seller who was previously interested in the price, he drops the price of the goods by forty percent. It’s pretty decent to learn Jewish trading. So Trump is not made a felt boot - he knows how to sell and buy. Yes, and surely there is some experience, it’s how quickly Israel’s masterpieces were thrust into Israel by the masterpieces of the American aviation industry.

      Israel, Japan, the United Kingdom, the Netherlands, Italy, Denmark, Turkey and are still in the queue.
  10. kirgiz58
    kirgiz58 24 December 2016 11: 39
    +6
    Quote: Turai
    but the F-15 was never shot down in an air battle, especially the MIG-25.
    The man was a bit sarcastic; he could also indicate Mig-15. Americans do not appear where they can row, so there were no losses at the F-15. What about training fights? Indian pilots laugh at your comment.
  11. doubovitski
    doubovitski 24 December 2016 11: 41
    +3
    Quote: Turai
    Do not read Soviet newspapers in the morning. For you, the best option would be to stop the production of the F-35, but for America, on the contrary. They wrote to you that the F-35 is a child prodigy and you truly believe in it. If the release of the F-22 continued, then you would be written that the Raptor sucks and you would also believe in it sacredly. I believe my neighbor, a pilot who has already flown on the F-35 in training air battles against the F-15. He says the superiority of the F-35 is so great that it’s just not interesting to take part in an aerial battle against the F-15. And here you continue to console each other, hight F-35 and further)))

    Yes, let them do it, and the more, the better. Costing 485 million apiece, taking into account manufacturing and operating costs over the entire service life. Exactly the same price is a solid piece of pure gold of mass equal to this iron. Is Israel the first to flatter this trick? An airplane that cannot fly due to the schizophrenic idea of ​​making it invisible. Aerodynamics, engines, weapons, strictly hidden inside and other things, do not like such forms. Especially with a vertical start-iron, almost unarmed and with a zero radius of action. But capable of appearing at an air show.
    Interestingly, and with whom is Israel going to fight with these museum-price airplanes?

    Invisible 35 is not visible exactly until the moment when it turns on its locator. But the direct locator signal is many orders of magnitude stronger and, therefore, we detect than the reflected one, which carries the useful signal to the fighter itself.
  12. Maz
    Maz 24 December 2016 11: 44
    +5
    Quote: Aaron Zawi
    Quote: Maz
    In our market, if you are trying to get away from a seller who was previously interested in the price, he drops the price of the goods by forty percent. It’s pretty decent to learn Jewish trading. So Trump is not made a felt boot - he knows how to sell and buy. Yes, and surely there is some experience, it’s how quickly Israel’s masterpieces were thrust into Israel by the masterpieces of the American aviation industry.

    Israel, Japan, the United Kingdom, the Netherlands, Italy, Denmark, Turkey and are still in the queue.

    I am aware that they did not have any opportunity to refuse, like Israel, an obsessive American service. But as they extinguished us a fire on their super-plane! Just a Tale of Loafers.
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 24 December 2016 12: 11
      +3
      Quote: Maz

      I am aware that they did not have any opportunity to refuse, like Israel, an obsessive American service. But as they extinguished us a fire on their super-plane! Just a Tale of Loafers.

      They didn’t put out anything for you, and Israel was assisted by fire fighting from 14 countries.
      1. Maz
        Maz 24 December 2016 12: 21
        +8
        Tell it to your own press. I will not give links. I note that everyone was surprised, even local firefighters of Israelis most of all. But Nitanyahu justified himself by saying that he called him in order to hedge the rest who really put out the burning forests and cities. But if you insist ... http: //news.israelinfo.co.il/kaleid
        oscope / 64374
        According to TV channel 2, the fire service does not see the need for a “Supertanker” at all, since there are no outstanding fire sources in Israel at the moment, but the firefighters are “under great pressure”, demanding the use of an expensive giant.
        On Saturday, the plane made aimless circles over the sea and dropped fire extinguishing means in a wasteland near Haifa, where there was no fire. According to official sources, “Reshet Bet” called this whirling a “test flight”.
        16:15 The representative of the fire service could not explain to Wallanews where the Supertanker went and why.
        “We did not ask for his help in any fire, and we don’t know why he took off,” the publication quotes the words of a fireman who wished to remain anonymous.
        Israeli media emphasize that the unique advantage of the Supertanker is its ability to work at night: other fire-fighting aircraft do not work in the dark.
        However, on the night of Saturday, when the settlement of Halamish was blazing, the “Supertanker” did not participate in putting out the fire.

        Tynts

        On Sunday afternoon, the Super Tanker took off for the second time from Ben Gurion Airport and circled aimlessly over the sea for about two hours. Journalists from the central media tried to find out who, where and why had sent him, but received no answers.
        The fire service on Saturday said that at the moment there are no major fires in the country, and, accordingly, there is no need to use the "Supertanker". The police undertook to find a deal for the American giant on Saturday: just before sunset, the Jerusalem district police chief sent him to extinguish the remains of a fire in the Nataf area.
        But on Sunday, the police also do not undertake to explain, on whose instructions and where the “Supertanker” flew.
        Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu wrote on Facebook on Saturday that he decided to order the services of the Colorado company Global SuperTanker Services, LLC for the sake of greater safety: “it is better to have something superfluous than not have it.” http://news.israelinfo.co.il/technology/64388

        I think that's enough to understand about the futility of the money spent and who really put out the fires in Israel - not the Americans.
  13. doubovitski
    doubovitski 24 December 2016 11: 45
    +3
    Quote: Aaron Zawi
    Quote: Maz
    In our market, if you are trying to get away from a seller who was previously interested in the price, he drops the price of the goods by forty percent. It’s pretty decent to learn Jewish trading. So Trump is not made a felt boot - he knows how to sell and buy. Yes, and surely there is some experience, it’s how quickly Israel’s masterpieces were thrust into Israel by the masterpieces of the American aviation industry.

    Israel, Japan, the United Kingdom, the Netherlands, Italy, Denmark, Turkey and are still in the queue.

    Not yet translated and d and about s in the white light. Tens of thousands of plans around the world are being implemented and overfulfilled. Already made 2 hundred pieces.
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 24 December 2016 11: 56
      +4
      Quote: doubovitski


      Not yet translated and d and about s in the white light. Tens of thousands of plans around the world are being implemented and overfulfilled. Already made 2 hundred pieces.

      Yeah. All from countries where the general technological level seems to be not inferior to yours. And if you look back, then all the technologies that you use today are not developed by you. But they are fools. What about Zadornov, "... how stupid they are."
      1. soaring
        soaring 24 December 2016 12: 40
        +2
        Aaron Zawi
        Yeah. All from countries where the general technological level seems to be not inferior to yours. And if you look back, then all the technologies that you use today are not developed by you. But they are fools. What about Zadornov, "... how stupid they are."

        Aaron, well, here I disagree with you ... Zadornov meant an ordinary American, not a person with "degrees" ... wink And most of the smart people in America are again not Americans, but people who came there to "earn money"! Therefore, about the technologies and who developed them, you can argue, I think ... Best regards! hi
      2. tilix
        tilix 24 December 2016 13: 05
        +3
        What about Zadornov, "... how stupid they are."
        Until you get sick, and then suddenly take me for treatment pazhalustaaaa
        1. saturn.mmm
          saturn.mmm 24 December 2016 19: 48
          +2
          Quote: tilix
          How is Zadornov's "... how stupid they are." Until I get sick, and then suddenly take me for treatment pazhalustaaaa

          About the Germans, he did not say that they are stupid.
          1. tilix
            tilix 24 December 2016 20: 50
            +1
            Mikhail Zadornov About Russians and Germans
            google to the rescue
      3. Parsec
        Parsec 24 December 2016 14: 04
        +1
        https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/303557
        2 / DOT-amp-E-AF-IOC-Memo.pdf

        Such a document can be attached to the sentence.
        "- limited night vision capabilities of the pilot. The clarity of the picture and visual acuity of the Gen III HMDS helmets, which are equipped with aircraft starting from Lot 7, is even worse than the previous version of Gen II, despite the fact that it, in turn, was significantly inferior to the old night vision devices for third-generation pilots such as the F-16; "
        Who does helmets for the F-35 do? Ah, Israel ...
  14. doubovitski
    doubovitski 24 December 2016 11: 48
    +2
    Quote: Leonid Har
    If the F-35 was worth $ 100, now it will cost $ 000. Saving $ 000 is a significant saving?

    The cost of manufacturing and operation for the entire service life is $ 485. Pure gold of the same mass costs the same.
  15. doubovitski
    doubovitski 24 December 2016 11: 53
    +1
    Quote: Turai
    Do not read Soviet newspapers in the morning. For you, the best option would be to stop the production of the F-35, but for America, on the contrary. They wrote to you that the F-35 is a child prodigy and you truly believe in it. If the release of the F-22 continued, then you would be written that the Raptor sucks and you would also believe in it sacredly. I believe my neighbor, a pilot who has already flown on the F-35 in training air battles against the F-15. He says the superiority of the F-35 is so great that it’s just not interesting to take part in an aerial battle against the F-15. And here you continue to console each other, hight F-35 and further)))



    http://ostkraft.ru/ru/articles/1792

    The article is titled "F-35: Total Mistake. Collapse of the Concept of US Global Military Dominance."
    1. HAPA
      HAPA 24 December 2016 13: 27
      0
      Quote: doubovitski
      http://ostkraft.ru/ru/articles/1792

      Well, the 80 article is not true.
      "Including: F-14, F-15, F-16, F / A-18, AV-8, A-10, specialized vehicles such as the EA-6, and, in the future, even the F-22. "
      F-14, F-15, Ea-6, F-22 are not replaced with F-35.
      Although almost $ 3 billion was allocated to bring it to 400F and most of it has already been spent, and the overall lag behind the work schedule has already reached 30% and continues to increase.
      this despite the fact that all R&D is 55.13 billion
      quote:
      However, in practice, at the moment, the F-35 Block 3i is capable of carrying only two AIM 120 air-to-air melee missiles and two GBU-12 laser-guided bombs or two GBU-31 (on the F-35A / C) or GBU-32 (on F-35B) JDAM. .

      That's all for now.
      And it is fully consistent with the plans for the F-35 Block 2I
      The fact is that the onboard laser target illumination complex does not know how to take and hold the lead in case the target moves. Thus, the main advantage of the planned guided aerial bombs is completely leveled - the possibility of accurately hitting a target without the carrier entering the zone of its air defense of not only near, but also average radius

      How is this connected? Glazed bombs are used mainly in the CAS mission. for air defense there are AGM-154 and SDB-1, SDB-2 and AGM-158 JASSM

      Separately, it is necessary to note the still impossibility of using an onboard gun in real combat.

      And again 25: In blocke 3i - she was not in the plans.
      digital transmission of information works worse than unsatisfactory. Voice refinement is constantly required. There have been cases of up to 16 repeated exchanges of information between the control center and the aircraft, or between the aircraft in the group, provided


      just the original. Voice communications are sometimes required to validate digital communications. Problems with Variable Message Format (VMF) and Link-16 data link messaging –including dropped / hidden information or incorrect formats - sometimes require pilots to use work-arounds by validating or “reading back” information over the radio that prevent them from conducting digital (only) CAS, a capability that is common in most legacy CAS aircraft.
      quote:
      - declared as one of the key advantages, the integrated system "sensor fusion" does not work at all. The same target detected by radar and optics is displayed on the situation display as two different (!) Targets

      went too far, but there is such a problem. The backlog does not occur in 100%, but not often.
      quote:
      limited night vision capabilities of the pilot. The clarity of the picture and the visual acuity of the helmets of the Gen III HMDS model, which are equipped with aircraft starting from Party 7, is even worse than the previous version of Gen II,

      Gen III HMDS, which has shown improvement to the deficiencies with the earlier Gen IIHMDS It's better, but there are problems
  16. Maz
    Maz 24 December 2016 12: 01
    +6
    Quote: Aaron Zawi
    Quote: doubovitski


    Not yet translated and d and about s in the white light. Tens of thousands of plans around the world are being implemented and overfulfilled. Already made 2 hundred pieces.

    Yeah. All from countries where the general technological level seems to be not inferior to yours. And if you look back, then all the technologies that you use today are not developed by you. But they are fools. What about Zadornov, "... how stupid they are."

    Toto, your wise men can’t copy everything, they are already puffing up bales. Or tell me, did they also rip it off someone else? Oh well. In general, you stole your drones from a Russian engineer - you want to tell. In Israel, this is not a secret to any of the new immigrants. And an instructive example is how locals are squeezed vilely from a new business, and then taken away for themselves. Net raider capture, Toto Kolomoisha taxied in Ukraine.
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 24 December 2016 12: 23
      +2
      Quote: Maz

      Toto, your wise men can’t copy everything, they are already puffing up bales. Or tell me, did they also rip it off someone else? Oh well.
      why invent a wheel? We can quite competently take the brilliant Kalashnikov bolt mechanism and create a wonderful Galil ACE on its basis.

      “In general, you stole your drones from a Russian engineer - if you want to tell me. In Israel, this is not a secret for any of the new immigrants.

      Well yes . You still tell about a priority of Mozhaisky and Popov.
      1. samoletil18
        samoletil18 24 December 2016 18: 06
        0
        Mozhaysky and Popov are a little bit Jews. Now, priority is undeniable lol rome?
  17. svp67
    svp67 24 December 2016 12: 04
    +1
    Marilyn Hewson, the head of Lockheed Martin Corp, told Donald Trump that she is committed to reducing the price of the F-35 fighter.
    And she said:
    "I swear to my dad ..."
  18. doubovitski
    doubovitski 24 December 2016 12: 13
    +5
    Quote: Aaron Zawi
    Quote: doubovitski


    Not yet translated and d and about s in the white light. Tens of thousands of plans around the world are being implemented and overfulfilled. Already made 2 hundred pieces.

    Yeah. All from countries where the general technological level seems to be not inferior to yours. And if you look back, then all the technologies that you use today are not developed by you. But they are fools. What about Zadornov, "... how stupid they are."

    You do not understand anything in mechanical engineering. To judge the issue of very good washing machines and airplanes. Cars and submarines.
    It's like comparing sweet and warm. Britain has been deep in the ass in the field of armaments for several decades. Not because English engineers are fools. They were doing the wrong thing. Considering the cover of an overseas partner is sufficient. And the fact that both Israel and Europe are buying American airplanes is proof of that. But here you need to add the twisting of the joints. The concept of standardizing weapons based on the American one. Is this a "level playing field"? Yes, you are forced to buy them like a doormat, and, often, not the best, financing the American economy.
    You have been assigned the role of a utilizer, but paying for a large one.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 24 December 2016 13: 22
      +2
      . "Great Britain has been deep in the ass in the field of armaments for several decades." /////

      Why do you think so? Let me remind you that BAe stands for British Aerospace.
      This English company is one of the largest in the world in the arms market.
  19. Altona
    Altona 24 December 2016 12: 39
    +1
    Quote: Turai
    About the pilot, all the neighbors know that he is a pilot. He was in the States for a long time with his family, he himself told me that he studied at the F-35. And just recently I asked him whether it was possible to fly and how the impression of the car was, he answered me that it was uninteresting against the F-15 (of course, without details)

    -------------------------------------------
    And why without details? And due to what advantage? Due to the information system that describes the behavior of the enemy or something else? So if the F-15 is equipped with a system comparable in capabilities, then how? In the meantime, this is similar to the opinion of the girl who was given the car with a automatic gearbox after a manual gearbox with a manual shift.
    1. HAPA
      HAPA 24 December 2016 13: 35
      +2
      Quote: Altona
      And why without details? And due to what advantage? Due to the information system that describes the behavior of the enemy or something else? So if the F-15 is equipped with a system comparable in capabilities, then how? In the meantime, this is similar to the opinion of the girl who was given the car with a automatic gearbox after a manual gearbox with a manual shift.

      Thirty-one experienced pilots currently flying the F-35A were asked to evaluate the energy and maneuverability of their previous fourth-generation fighters in combat configuration across the entire range of dogfight maneuvers after dropping all their external suspensions. Then they were asked to evaluate the characteristics of the F-35A, using the same scale, with fuel and internal ammunition loading, with combat load, with its current maximum overload and restrictions on the use of weapons. F-35A well stood comparison with four other fighters (F-15C, F-15E, F-16C and a-10) in almost every mode.
      Each pilot was then asked to choose which fighter he would prefer to fly in battle if his clone flying on another plane in six different air-to-air situations was the enemy. (See diagram 1.) If a pilot chose the F-15C in a short-range situation, for example, he felt that he could surpass the equal-ability pilot on the F-35A. Pilots chose the F-35A in 100% of cases in situations outside of visual visibility and more than 80% in dogfight situations, when energy and maneuverability are critical to success.
      Instantaneous turn - forced turn (with max. Overload and loss of speed)
      Sustained turn rate
      Responsiveness at slow speed - low speed handling
      Stack / scissors performance - characteristics of vertical and horizontal maneuvers
      Ability to recover airspeed - ability to recover speed
      BVR - Out of Visibility
      9K 'Perch setup - starting position: traverse, attacker’s height plus 1830 meters, distance 3700 m, speed 740 km / h, it starts with an excess of 2600 m and speed 556 km / h
      Butterfly - see picture: http://images.slideplayer.com/24/709...es/slide_7
      .jpg
      Short range - short range
      Tree / vertical fight - vertical battle
      To the bottom diagram, here is a link on the terminology of maneuvers:
      https://www.cnatra.navy.mil/local/do...ubs/P-1289
      . Pdf
      The F-35A was not designed to be an air superiority fighter, but the pilots interviewed painted a picture of a fighter that allows for more than just staying in that environment, even with its current G-and maneuverable restrictions. According to a graduate of the F-16C weapons school and an instructor pilot on the F-35A at present, “even before reaching initial operational readiness, this fighter exceeded the pilot's expectations with dissimilar combat capabilities. There are overload restrictions [no longer, already removed!], but even so, the angular rate of turn is incredible at a constant 28 degrees / sec. When they remove the CLAW - Closed Launcher Assault Weapon, and remove the G-restrictions, this fighter will show much more than you would expect . "

      1. MMX
        MMX 24 December 2016 16: 48
        0
        Quote: HAPA
        Quote: Altona
        And why without details? And due to what advantage? Due to the information system that describes the behavior of the enemy or something else? So if the F-15 is equipped with a system comparable in capabilities, then how? In the meantime, this is similar to the opinion of the girl who was given the car with a automatic gearbox after a manual gearbox with a manual shift.

        Thirty-one experienced pilots currently flying the F-35A were asked to evaluate the energy and maneuverability of their previous fourth-generation fighters in combat configuration across the entire range of dogfight maneuvers after dropping all their external suspensions. Then they were asked to evaluate the characteristics of the F-35A, using the same scale, with fuel and internal ammunition loading, with combat load, with its current maximum overload and restrictions on the use of weapons. F-35A well stood comparison with four other fighters (F-15C, F-15E, F-16C and a-10) in almost every mode.
        Each pilot was then asked to choose which fighter he would prefer to fly in battle if his clone flying on another plane in six different air-to-air situations was the enemy. (See diagram 1.) If a pilot chose the F-15C in a short-range situation, for example, he felt that he could surpass the equal-ability pilot on the F-35A. Pilots chose the F-35A in 100% of cases in situations outside of visual visibility and more than 80% in dogfight situations, when energy and maneuverability are critical to success.
        Instantaneous turn - forced turn (with max. Overload and loss of speed)
        Sustained turn rate
        Responsiveness at slow speed - low speed handling
        Stack / scissors performance - characteristics of vertical and horizontal maneuvers
        Ability to recover airspeed - ability to recover speed
        BVR - Out of Visibility
        9K 'Perch setup - starting position: traverse, attacker’s height plus 1830 meters, distance 3700 m, speed 740 km / h, it starts with an excess of 2600 m and speed 556 km / h
        Butterfly - see picture: http://images.slideplayer.com/24/709...es/slide_7
        .jpg
        Short range - short range
        Tree / vertical fight - vertical battle
        To the bottom diagram, here is a link on the terminology of maneuvers:
        https://www.cnatra.navy.mil/local/do...ubs/P-1289
        . Pdf
        The F-35A was not designed to be an air superiority fighter, but the pilots interviewed painted a picture of a fighter that allows for more than just staying in that environment, even with its current G-and maneuverable restrictions. According to a graduate of the F-16C weapons school and an instructor pilot on the F-35A at present, “even before reaching initial operational readiness, this fighter exceeded the pilot's expectations with dissimilar combat capabilities. There are overload restrictions [no longer, already removed!], but even so, the angular rate of turn is incredible at a constant 28 degrees / sec. When they remove the CLAW - Closed Launcher Assault Weapon, and remove the G-restrictions, this fighter will show much more than you would expect . "



        A source?
        1. HAPA
          HAPA 25 December 2016 00: 02
          +1
          Quote: MMX
          A source?

          VOs publish links very poorly, but a Google search will help
          Operational Assessment of the F-35A Argues for Full Program Procurement and Concurrent Development Process
          http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2016/08/
          operational-assessment-of-the-f-35a-argues-for-fu
          ll-program-procurement-and-concurrent-development
          - process
  20. Altona
    Altona 24 December 2016 12: 44
    +2
    Quote: Aron Zaavi
    Yeah. All from countries where the general technological level seems to be not inferior to yours. And if you look back, then all the technologies that you use today are not developed by you. But they are fools. What about Zadornov, "... how stupid they are."

    ------------------------------------
    Why not with us? And we do a lot. It's a pity the program "Village Hour" was canceled to run from the fields. We do not have our own element base, this is bad. And so we are doing a lot and would be doing if the valiant Government poured money into the real sector (in the form of loans and developments, of course, as in the USSR), and not to grabbing bankers who steal this money.
  21. doubovitski
    doubovitski 24 December 2016 13: 54
    +4
    Quote: voyaka uh
    . "Great Britain has been deep in the ass in the field of armaments for several decades." /////

    Why do you think so? Let me remind you that BAe stands for British Aerospace.
    This English company is one of the largest in the world in the arms market.

    One of the largest in the world. But what good is it if such a poor and stupid country with an economy torn to shreds, how Russia is in many positions ahead? Both by name of species and in volume.
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 24 December 2016 14: 16
      +3
      Quote: doubovitski

      One of the largest in the world. But what good is it if such a poor and stupid country with an economy torn to shreds, how Russia is in many positions ahead? Both by name of species and in volume.

      Well, very happy for you. Why worry then?
    2. bbtcs
      bbtcs 24 December 2016 20: 01
      0
      Is it moral to trade weapons at all?
    3. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 24 December 2016 23: 10
      +2
      Somewhere ahead of Russia, somewhere England. England is building 2 aircraft carriers, has commissioned several of the most modern destroyers. Premier League stamps regularly. Their tanks, for obvious reasons, are of little interest ... You somehow perceive everything very emotionally. The Western world is integrated, dozens of strong countries jointly carry out military projects. Russia,
      for historical reasons, one. Of course, hard.
  22. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 24 December 2016 15: 29
    +2
    As a result, there will be cheap J-31s taken from China when they are finished good
  23. doubovitski
    doubovitski 24 December 2016 17: 10
    +3
    Quote: Aaron Zawi
    Quote: doubovitski

    One of the largest in the world. But what good is it if such a poor and stupid country with an economy torn to shreds, how Russia is in many positions ahead? Both by name of species and in volume.

    Well, very happy for you. Why worry then?

    It is you who are worried. And reassure yourself with false promises. We do not need foreign territories, minerals, human collectives. Neither in the Baltic States, nor to the south, nor in Europe in general, nor in the Middle East. And, especially in the States. On that continent. Judging by your language, you just recently wrapped a flag with the Star of David. You can’t be proficient in this language while studying it somewhere in Haifa. So, you should be well aware that I speak not only from myself.
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 24 December 2016 17: 58
      0
      Quote: doubovitski
      . You can’t be proficient in this language while studying it somewhere in Haifa. So, you should be well aware that I speak not only from myself.
      that is yes. When my son speaks Russian, sometimes it’s even funny how he constructs sentences. And so I am 47 years old. In Israel, more than a quarter century.
  24. razved
    razved 24 December 2016 20: 04
    0
    Will they steal less?
  25. sgazeev
    sgazeev 24 December 2016 20: 13
    0
    Quote: Alex777
    How simple it is - they talked and decisively reduced the price.
    Obama and the Democrats have to bite their elbows ...

    Obama and the old woman participated in the cut.
  26. doubovitski
    doubovitski 24 December 2016 22: 11
    +2
    Quote: bbtcs
    Is it moral to trade weapons at all?

    This question is asked the Americans, as the first in this matter.
  27. doubovitski
    doubovitski 24 December 2016 23: 35
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    Quote: voyaka uh
    Somewhere ahead of Russia, somewhere England. England is building 2 aircraft carriers, has commissioned several of the most modern destroyers. Premier League stamps regularly. Their tanks, for obvious reasons, are of little interest ... You somehow perceive everything very emotionally. The Western world is integrated, dozens of strong countries jointly carry out military projects. Russia,
    for historical reasons, one. Of course, hard.

    "The number of surface combat units in the Royal Navy, at first glance, may cause a grin: only 4 universal amphibious ships, as well as 18 destroyers and frigates as of 2013 (another destroyer HMS Duncan is currently undergoing sea trials, its entry into service scheduled for 2014).
    Strange characters in front of the name of every British warship (HMS) is nothing more than the abbreviation of Her Majesty's Ship (Her Majesty's Ship).
    Most of the British surface ships belong to the Type 23 frigates, also known as the Duke type. There are 13 units in the ranks, all built between 1987 and 2002.
    From the technical point of view, they are ordinary, unremarkable ships with a displacement of the order of 5000. In total, the British today have 7 multipurpose nuclear submarines - five older Trafalgar built in the 1980s and two newest Estuary submarines.
    "Trafalgar" is a modest submarine with a surface displacement of 4800 tons (submarine - 5300 tons). Submerged speed - 32 knots. The crew is 130 people. Armament - 5 torpedo tubes, ammunition - up to 30 guided Spearfish torpedoes ("swordfish") with a firing range of up to 30 miles (when firing at shorter distances, the torpedo speed can reach 80 knots ≈ 150 km / h). performing escort, patrol and support missions around the globe ..... "

    No need to go far. It's here on a nearby branch. https://topwar.ru/31591-britanskiy-flot-degradaci
    ya-ili-rascvet.html
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 25 December 2016 01: 36
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      It’s good that you studied the composition of the British Navy. Knowledge is power. drinks
  28. Signore Tomato
    Signore Tomato 25 December 2016 13: 47
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    Quote: Yuri from Volgograd
    ...
    Israel or the United States, these are not the countries with which war is likely.
    I repeat for the hundredth time, in reality, nobody except China is dangerous to us.
    States love the show, but even with an average country they won’t get to fight.
    .


    Naive. Read the story and think -
    1914 year.
    1941 year.
    A bunch of dates before these.
    And every time there were scumbags like Napoleon, Hitler, etc., gathered a huge shobla and drag all Moscow across Europe.
    Keep sitting and dreaming of a Chinese invasion.
  29. Signore Tomato
    Signore Tomato 25 December 2016 13: 59
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    Quote: voyaka uh
    The Western world is integrated, dozens of strong countries jointly carry out military projects. Russia,
    for historical reasons, one. Of course, hard.


    It’s strange. If everyone around is so terribly integrated, then why does the United States force its own weapons into NATO members and beyond?
    Why did the United States practically squeeze the production of aircraft by Israel and practically forced to buy US-made aircraft? And not only Israel, the press flashed a lot of reports about US pressure against the production of military equipment by satellite countries.

    Hamster’s wet dreams of integration (doesn’t hint at penetration?) Are artificially and skillfully instilled in the USA around the world.
  30. Dulat
    Dulat 25 December 2016 14: 01
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    Trump wanted to study the costs, so he started to fuss
  31. doubovitski
    doubovitski 25 December 2016 22: 55
    +1
    Quote: Aaron Zawi
    Quote: Turai
    . I believe my neighbor, a pilot who has already flown on the F-35 in training air battles against the F-15.

    Do not tell tales. Since when are our pilots to their neighbors saying something to their neighbors? Yes, they generally try not to advertise what they are doing in the Air Force.
    PS Yes, and our today could not conduct training battles anywhere except for simulators.

    That's it. And especially in the country, the size of which allows you to go round a bicycle in three days, penetrated through by enemy terrorists, the flyer will advertise his exploits. Arabian mujahiddin just flies to such sweets.