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The huge losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine under Debaltseve

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The servicemen of the People’s Militia of the LPR delivered the bodies of the Ukrainian armed forces who died while trying to break through in the Kalinovka village to the Debaltseve morgue.


This was announced by the head of the People’s Police Colonel Oleg Anashchenko.



According to him, the corpses were found "in the positions of the LC, where an earlier attempt was made to break through the units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine."

“On the corpses there is a Ukrainian uniform and identification marks in the form of a green ribbon and Ukrainian chevrons. These bodies were taken to the morgue of the city of Debaltseve for further decisions, ”he said.

“Judging by the injuries, they could have been saved, but they were thrown by their command on the battlefield,” said the colonel.

"I also want to say that such attempts (offensive - note RV) are meaningless and this will happen with everyone who comes to our land," he stressed.

The armed forces of Ukraine in the course of attempts to break through in the area of ​​Debaltseve lost 40 people killed, and 50 of Kiev militants were injured.

This was reported by LIC Major-General Andrei Marochko, the official representative of the People’s Police of the LPR.

“We are reliably aware of the 40 dead and more 50 wounded Ukrainian soldiers from the 54 brigade and the 11 battalion of the 59 brigade Kievan Rus. Independent Ukrainian media have reported 100 dead, ”he said.

“However, the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense officially announced six dead and 19 injured,” added Marochko, noting that in this way the Kiev government hides the true losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, “but does not even consider nationalists for people.”

“Nobody takes into account their losses, at the moment we have not had a single appeal for the bodies of the dead.

They are simply not needed by the government, for whose interests they died, ”said the major.
“The Ukrainian junta is still not abandoning the use of force to resolve the conflict, despite the huge losses of personnel among the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the nationalist battalions. This is reminiscent of another wave of recycling of people who are already on the verge of understanding that their true enemy is a thieving government, warmed up in Kiev, headed by (President of Ukraine Petro) Poroshenko, ”the representative of the Republic’s Defense Ministry added.

“The commanders of the Ukrainian units once again showed their criminal nature.
So, the commander of the 54-th separate mechanized brigade Gorbatyuk decided to provoke the units of the People’s Militia of the Republic to violate the Minsk agreements in the Svetlodar arc area and went on the offensive. But his criminal intent failed, ”Marochko said.

“The Ukrainian command is attempting to resume large-scale hostilities in the Donbas.

It increases the combat strength, violating all the agreements signed, among other things, by the official representatives of Ukraine at the negotiations in Minsk, ”he said.

In the course of today's attempt at a breakthrough near the village of Kalinovka in the Debaltseve area, the Kiev militants lost two infantry fighting vehicles. This was reported in the press service of the People's Militia of the LC.

“In the second half of the day, the enemy intensified in the direction of the Kalinovka settlement. Having conducted powerful artillery training for one and a half hours, in 15.30 with forces over 50, a person with the support of three BMP units went on the offensive to the advanced positions of the People's Militia of the LPR, "said the defense department of the Republic.

“A blow from the flank of the enemy was overturned and clamped on both sides. Having suffered losses in manpower and having lost two units of infantry fighting vehicles, the enemy retreated to previously occupied positions, ”the People’s Police noted.

Kiev invaders fired from heavy artillery Debaltseve and the village Novogrigorovka, destroyed two houses.

This was reported in the press service of the People's Militia of the LC.

The building of secondary school number 3 in Dokuchaevsk damaged during shelling by the Ukrainian military.

“About 16: 00, the Armed Forces of Ukraine fired from Dokuchaevsk BMP, the school building No. 3 was damaged,” said the head of the city administration, Alexander Kachanov, today.

Kachanov added that there were no students on the school’s territory at the time of the shelling. Information about the victims have been reported.
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  1. rasputin17
    rasputin17 21 December 2016 20: 15
    +33
    APU said that all this is crap !!! These are not their fighters there! Theirs are jumping with shouts of "hto ne skache" and these are not! bully
    1. nazar_0753
      nazar_0753 21 December 2016 20: 16
      +28
      These just jumped by now
      1. The comment was deleted.
      2. bulvas
        bulvas 21 December 2016 20: 26
        +56
        APU as those mice that cried, pricked, but continued to eat a cactus

        people only feel sorry for living and living ...
        1. 210ox
          210ox 21 December 2016 20: 34
          +37
          Paradox. Like people .. By external signs .. But not the least bit sorry ..
          Quote: bulvas
          APU as those mice that cried, pricked, but continued to eat a cactus

          people only feel sorry for living and living ...
          1. AUL
            AUL 21 December 2016 20: 51
            +55
            And I feel sorry for the residents of the DPR-LPR who were killed by these bandits. And for some reason they are not!
            1. Sergey S.
              Sergey S. 21 December 2016 21: 08
              +20
              Quote: AUL
              And I feel sorry for the residents of the DPR-LPR who were killed by these bandits. And for some reason they are not!

              This is emotionally so.
              And this is natural.
              Pity the invader, conqueror, punisher ... impossible.

              But on the other hand, these same punishers of no good will were in this role.
              I am sure that among the dead there is not one from a wealthy family.
              If the recruits could not pay off the war.
              If mercenaries are professional contractors, the family needs money ...
              What do they think of war? Now it doesn’t matter ...
              It is important that others like them know the results of such "work".
              And scared ... not childish ...
              Only then their death will not be in vain.
              1. alexmach
                alexmach 21 December 2016 21: 48
                +11
                I am sure that among the dead there is not one from a wealthy family.


                I don’t know, they passed the opera singer there recently, they plopped down, he was definitely not a poor person and didn’t go there for money, and he wasn’t alone there.

                Pity the invader, conqueror, punisher ... impossible.

                I don’t know, it seems to me that a man who has been killed, wounded, or crippled must be spared anyway. Even if he is an enemy. This is what makes you human ..

                Although, today in the Ukrainian forum:

                I have a very extensive circle of friends, my main mood is that they pity you.


                SHITO, *****? That's where you got it from?
                Yes, do not feel sorry for us, just *** (turn off), *** (leave) from our land. We ourselves will figure out everything in our sandbox.
                1. oblako
                  oblako 22 December 2016 04: 10
                  +2
                  And the sandbox is not only yours ...
                  1. alexmach
                    alexmach 25 December 2016 15: 06
                    0
                    This is just Svidomo and do not understand.
                2. Docent1984
                  Docent1984 22 December 2016 08: 17
                  +9
                  There are no people in the war. There are ours, and there are enemies. Today you felt sorry for the enemy, tomorrow your will fall to the ground. And the day after tomorrow you are already laying on the ground. Anyone who has comprehended military science knows this.
                  1. alexmach
                    alexmach 25 December 2016 15: 07
                    0
                    We are now with you not at war, but at a cozy forum ...
              2. krops777
                krops777 22 December 2016 06: 23
                +2
                I am sure that among the dead there is not one from a wealthy family.
                If the recruits could not pay off the war.

                There is always a choice. Supporting the criminal regime, they themselves become criminals, it would be better to organize resistance to the junta, for sure in Ukraine there are such centers of resistance.
            2. Kolya
              Kolya 22 December 2016 04: 10
              +6
              Quote: AUL
              And I feel sorry for the residents of the DPR-LPR who were killed by these bandits. And for some reason they are not!

              But I feel sorry for these, both sides who die are frankly sorry. These guys are from ordinary people, and I'm sorry, I’m not exactly anti-sim, but among them you will not find anyone you understand anyone. Seriously, there is simply not one of them. Something wrong is happening in Ukraine on a national basis. And those who get there, poor, uneducated, they simply do not know any history and understand nothing in politics. They are either in the army or in prison for treason. They went with an idea to sit out in the trench and wait for the demobilization. The officer told them some noodles, they took them out to the BMP and dropped them off, they have no idea. They said where to shoot or under the tribunal. Meat...
              From reliable information on one district from the Ukrainian province, exits from Natsik and Maidan do not die, but 7 people have already been buried ordinary villagers. Natsik, cops, and Maidan kudato also mobilize but all come back with benefits in perfect health and are printed in the newspapers as heroes. These would not be a pity, but ...
              1. Separ
                Separ 22 December 2016 09: 57
                +3
                This is all clear, but in war, if not YOU then YOU .... unfortunately such are the realities of war.
          2. hotrod
            hotrod 21 December 2016 21: 04
            +12
            When you stop feeling sorry for people, you yourself lose something human. No, if you sit on the couch and just rejoice at the good news and not notice the bad news - everything is fine, no doubt. But if you understand that this is the fate and sorrow in families .. ah! I feel sorry for people.
            1. Homo
              Homo 21 December 2016 21: 30
              +24
              Quote: hotrod
              When you stop feeling sorry for people, you yourself lose something human.

              You want to say that all the people of the USSR have lost humanity? Well, since the peoples of the USSR hated the fascists, hardly anyone in history hated and will hate it!
              Quote: hotrod
              But if you understand that this is the fate and sorrow in families .. ah! I feel sorry for people.

              Who are you talking about? About the Armed Forces, about the National Bats? Nobody called them and asked them to come and kill women and children! They were people before they took up arms and began to kill civilians!
              1. Reserve officer
                Reserve officer 21 December 2016 22: 33
                +39
                Again prudish snot? The enemy must lie in the ground. Otherwise, our relatives and friends will fall to the ground. And we are with you. I cannot explain more intelligibly.
                1. Kolya
                  Kolya 22 December 2016 04: 29
                  +3
                  Quote: Reserve officer
                  The enemy must lie in the ground. Otherwise, our relatives and friends will fall to the ground.

                  So, our relatives and friends are laying on the ground on both sides. And not relatives and friends close the business, and on both sides. Between those who are in power in Kiev and the mobilized separation of depth from the Atlantic.
                  1. BLOND
                    BLOND 22 December 2016 05: 40
                    +10
                    Quote: Kohl
                    Quote: Reserve officer
                    The enemy must lie in the ground. Otherwise, our relatives and friends will fall to the ground.

                    So, our relatives and friends are laying on the ground on both sides. And not relatives and friends close the business, and on both sides. Between those who are in power in Kiev and the mobilized separation of depth from the Atlantic.

                    And my family and friends remained on the one hand!
                    On the other side, the godfather (officer, air force of the outskirts) called in 2014 - he said: "Do not calm down - then we fly to you ..."
                    I don’t have more godfather - I probably lost humanity !?
                    1. Docent1984
                      Docent1984 22 December 2016 08: 24
                      +4
                      No, you just called the wrong one to baptize the child. M *** who turned out to be, that's all ... And somehow you know, I also have relatives on the other side, but only some have already crossed the front line and are fighting for the DPR, and those who are "not portable" behind their backs , run away from mobilization, because "I will not fight against the Russians, it is better to go to prison." And people like your "godfather" are either mentally unhealthy people (in other words, d **** s), or corrupt skins. There is no third.
                      1. BLOND
                        BLOND 22 December 2016 09: 19
                        +3
                        He called me (I baptized his son)
                        - probably the second (about skins ...)
                        And in fairness I’ll say that they called from Kiev, just colleagues and offered assistance of various kinds
                2. The point
                  The point 22 December 2016 12: 44
                  0
                  I’ll make my contribution (I have already laid it out somehow, but I will repeat it).
              2. Aljavad
                Aljavad 21 December 2016 23: 52
                +17
                You want to say that all the people of the USSR have lost humanity? Well, since the peoples of the USSR hated the fascists, hardly anyone in history hated and will hate it!


                And in defeated Berlin, they immediately deployed kitchens for the population.
                They tried to take prisoners of the "werewolves" from the "Hitler Youth". And to the captured Germans, OUR women carried bread and cartoons ...
                Fascists-hated. And people - REQUEST.
                It's complicated. And very simple.
                1. Yakow
                  Yakow 22 December 2016 03: 15
                  +14
                  Quote: Aljavad
                  Fascists-hated. And people - REQUEST.

                  But after all, to fight, kill the Nazis and go !!! And all of free will! They are offered a salary (actually ridiculous and even insulting), and it goes there to cut the Russians. Because hate drives them. And it is taken in them from the impossibility / unwillingness to think and seek the truth. And you do not need to feel sorry for them, believe me. I live among these reptiles, and there are many more, unfortunately.
                  1. Kolya
                    Kolya 22 December 2016 04: 33
                    +2
                    Quote: Yakow
                    I live among these reptiles, and there are many more, unfortunately.

                    We will beat beat beat, and then opa and Russian did not remain at all on the planet, only the Anglo-Saxons.
                    1. garnik
                      garnik 22 December 2016 07: 41
                      +4
                      We’ll beat, beat, and then, opa, there are no Russians left on the planet, only Anglo-Saxons

                      --------------------------------------
                      You are right. Once upon a time for a chimeric idea, they killed each other. Father of a son, brother of a brother. And they, too, defended their innocence. And they ruled these masses, some ..... The same thing happens in our time.
                      It seems that slowly everything fell into place and here you’re bleeding again. Remember that the Russians are shooting at each other.
              3. Vasiliev Yu
                Vasiliev Yu 22 December 2016 02: 50
                +12
                I also think about it. We got already with stupid (to put it mildly) advice to pity everyone and everything. Why, for example, do I have to feel sorry for different scum? Because there may be among an incredible amount of scum, a couple of normal people? Debilitating reasoning. The scum died there, thank God, there would be more such news!
                1. Kolya
                  Kolya 22 December 2016 04: 37
                  +3
                  Quote: vasiliev yu
                  The scum died there, thank God, there would be more such news!

                  You will fight like this until the last Russian man. The Ukrainian is the same Russian as the native, for example, Rostovites.
                  1. The point
                    The point 22 December 2016 12: 52
                    +3
                    Kolya! Tell it to peaceful people, women, old people, children killed during shelling of peaceful, I repeat, quarters by forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the National Battles, tell this to the relatives of these victims. And the question here is not where the Russian non-Russian person was born, but on which side he is.
                  2. sergeyzzz
                    sergeyzzz 22 December 2016 13: 32
                    0
                    You are wrong, we will fight until the last blatant Saxon, and Ukraine is like that, warm-up, NATO, do not wake up animals in us, otherwise we’ll go to tanks on a European tour.
                  3. Vasiliev Yu
                    Vasiliev Yu 22 December 2016 22: 12
                    0
                    I would prefer to fight until the last banderlog. Do not judge everyone by yourself.
                    Most of all, the Canadian Ukrainian’s attempt to teach us the right way makes us laugh.
                    Maybe I'm wrong, maybe it's just not Canadian, but such a VPN, you are encrypted.
            2. Uncle Murzik
              Uncle Murzik 22 December 2016 06: 09
              +3
              hotrod and you don’t look at APU as people but look at Bandera and fascists who they are! hi
          3. g.wise
            g.wise 21 December 2016 21: 25
            +8
            Right, normal people would think where they were being sent. These banderlogs do not need the people of Ukraine!
          4. a housewife
            a housewife 22 December 2016 01: 48
            +3
            These people are also a pity. People in these bodies died much earlier than the bodies were killed. And they also have mothers, children ...
          5. Vitalson
            Vitalson 22 December 2016 10: 31
            0
            they are people only by primary sexual characteristics - the rest is from radioactive humanoids.
        2. Asadullah
          Asadullah 21 December 2016 20: 49
          +5
          APU like those mice


          They have ideological pumping there now, the "old men" do not go into battle.
          1. gladcu2
            gladcu2 21 December 2016 21: 02
            +7
            Asalullah

            This is not an ideological pump. So there is no ideology.

            This is hate speech.

            A question of a different kind. Why are the names of those who cannot resolve the issue by the world indicated?
            Why their motivation is not indicated. Namely, what is their motivation to work against society.

            And yarn, who killed whom and how much is not necessary. Everyone has someone who is fighting, it’s not clear why.
            1. Asadullah
              Asadullah 21 December 2016 21: 15
              +56
              Why their motivation is not indicated. Namely, what is their motivation to work against society.
              And yarn, who killed whom and how much is not necessary. Everyone has someone who is fighting, it’s not clear why.


              I spoke here recently with one, all the motivation, the Crimea was taken away, Donetsk-Lugansk was armed, if not for the Americans, Putin would have taken parades in Kiev. This is a long time. And there will be many such motivated. On the mainland, all the young people are wrapped up in "tse-not-vmerla", in words, they are all heroes of the war, and even tomorrow to fight. The new generation, the "veterans", they will not go under any sauce in the ATO, but Ukraine is tomorrow, it is their Ukraine. And they are united by hatred of Russia, hatred of Putin. My prediction, such Ukraine, is for a long time. I will say more, this hatred does not even require incitement, this hatred is akin to Cain and Abel, it is not subject to metamorphosis, is not subject to confusion. She is bound by a blood devil. You have to live with it.
              1. kirieeleyson
                kirieeleyson 21 December 2016 21: 35
                +4
                You have to live with it.

                Well, live next to such, the society itself will squeeze out, and quickly. Because to break the complex mechanism of pseudo-hatred, based on lies and distortion of history - simply, you need to show people the truth.
                1. Asadullah
                  Asadullah 21 December 2016 21: 46
                  +17
                  Well, live next to such, the society itself will squeeze out, and quickly. Because to break the complex mechanism of pseudo-hatred, based on lies and distortion of history - simply, you need to show people the truth.


                  True, a dangerous thing, even for those who are looking for it, but for those who do not need it, it simply does not exist. Will have to live. And the more successful Russia and the poorer Ukraine, the greater the potential difference. This is not pseudo-hatred, it is the most real that only grows from your desire to either put up, or explain, or just do a good deed.
                  1. lelikas
                    lelikas 21 December 2016 22: 27
                    +19
                    Exactly .
                    You explain them to the good - they don’t understand. You say that they themselves all started - they do not believe. You lay it out on the shelves - anyway, we are to blame.
                    - My friend was killed yesterday - your Putin is to blame ..
                    -Roma, and who sent him there?
                    -Same went ..... But anyway, it's you ..
                    - The other got drunk half a year after returning and died - it was you who brought him!
                    - Roma, maybe he was ashamed? He killed his own?
                    - Not ! You brought him ...
                    And such answers to everything, moreover, a person, not at all "jumped", himself went through the war. And there are immeasurable ones like that. And all the normal ones were driven almost underground.
                    1. Kolya
                      Kolya 22 December 2016 04: 47
                      +1
                      Quote: lelikas
                      And all the normal ones were almost driven underground.

                      I note that they were driven underground with the assistance of Russian politics, and compatriots were driven. The Russian spring was merged by the Russian oligarchic-bureaucratic elite who are only interested in lifting sanctions and oil prices.
                2. Yakow
                  Yakow 22 December 2016 03: 27
                  +5
                  Quote: kirieeleyson
                  to break the complex mechanism of pseudo-hatred, based on lies and distortion of history - simply, you need to show people the truth.

                  Your words, yes to God. They truth shy away like hell incense. I'm serious. It is completely impossible to even try to demonstrate the second side of the coin! There is no such and all. This is a diagnosis ... And, unfortunately, these tumors are amputated.
                  1. Kolya
                    Kolya 22 December 2016 04: 54
                    +1
                    Quote: Yakow
                    I'm serious. It is completely impossible to even try to demonstrate the second side of the coin! There is no such and all. This is a diagnosis ... And, unfortunately, these tumors are amputated.

                    You are absolutely right! Seriously, you're right! Will you get a solution to the problem? You are right, but you are an instrument in the hands of the Anglo-Saxons. A different approach is needed. Yes, the Russian elite does not like the other approach.
                  2. kirieeleyson
                    kirieeleyson 22 December 2016 10: 42
                    0
                    I would even say "to provide an opportunity to keep information channels open for a long time, to prevent the use of prohibitive measures."
              2. Pete mitchell
                Pete mitchell 21 December 2016 21: 40
                +20
                Applaud Asadullah I agree with you very much. Only from myself I will add: with by that everyone will have to live: "as a neighbor" to Russia, which for me has taken the correct line; close sponsors who are not able to solve their own problems; to distant sponsors, but it seems that the power is changing, which makes the 404s sad; the Poles, who are preparing to snatch their piece and will not back down; and most importantly - to the people of Ukraine, I hope someday their enlightenment will overtake them, but the hangover will be cruel. It's all sad ..

                As Sergey.S It is important that others like them know the results of such "work". And I would add that not only the similar ones, but everything around, no one stopped the hostilities on the air, they only increase at every new round, and you can’t rest on the laurels of practical success. It is necessary to reverse this stream of slops, so that the bourgeoisie will no longer be embarrassed to openly watch RT minimum, and there it will ..
              3. Sergey S.
                Sergey S. 21 December 2016 22: 13
                +6
                Quote: Asadullah
                if not for the Americans, Putin would have taken parades in Kiev.


                It seems that the smallest loss in every sense is to organize the Pobnda Parade in Kiev.
                And so that V.V. Putin

                Otherwise, many more people will die in endless skirmishes, and how many children will be deprived of their childhood, and the troubles of the elderly, and the throwing of women ...
              4. alexng
                alexng 21 December 2016 22: 54
                +1
                Quote: Asadullah
                This is for a long time. And there will be many motivated ones. On the mainland, all young people are hooked on "tse-ne-vmerla", in words, they are all heroes of the war, and even tomorrow they will fight.


                Motivation without replenishment expires very quickly, and replenishment will soon be blocked by all the motivation down the drain, and here comes a very difficult hangover, sometimes with heart attacks or strokes, from the realization of what they’ve done.
            2. Serg koma
              Serg koma 21 December 2016 21: 20
              +3
              Quote: gladcu2
              Why names are not specified those who cannot resolve the issue by the world?

              "How many times have the world been told ..." (C) Your surnames Turchinov; Poroshenko and others like them, what are they talking about? How many times should we EVERYWHERE talk about the perpetrators of the violation of the "Minsk agreements", the unleashing of the MAIDAN, the Civil War ......................
        3. SerB60
          SerB60 21 December 2016 20: 49
          +8
          "... you just feel sorry for people ..." You feel sorry for the wrong people - these went to consciously establish a "new order".
        4. KVashentcev
          KVashentcev 21 December 2016 21: 14
          +3
          I feel sorry for PEOPLE, but these ...
      3. Zibelew
        Zibelew 21 December 2016 20: 32
        +5
        We ourselves have huge losses from hawthorn. Found something to mock.
        Quote: nazar_0753
        These just jumped by now
        1. Muvka
          Muvka 21 December 2016 20: 45
          +16
          Those who consume such drinks are not sorry. They did not bring any benefit to the country, believe me. I know these.
          1. Umnichka
            Umnichka 21 December 2016 20: 52
            +27
            And you, my friend, is a fascist. Failure is not equal to killing. We are people, not villains. Many have a difficult path to the social bottom, they threw someone, tricked them, took away housing, etc., not everyone has the willpower to fight hard, and the psychotypes are different. Trotsky took exactly the same position as Muvka, thank God, Stalin reassured him forever and others like him, otherwise there would have been no Russia.
            1. 1rl141
              1rl141 21 December 2016 21: 23
              +7
              Quote: Umnichka
              And you, my friend, is a fascist.

              Muvka does not offer to catch hawthorn drinkers and finish them on the spot. He simply said that these are not a pity. These people themselves chose their path. Why should they be pitied? And why is Muvka a fascist?
              1. Victorio
                Victorio 22 December 2016 00: 07
                +3
                Quote: 1rl141
                Quote: Umnichka
                And you, my friend, is a fascist.

                Muvka does not offer to catch hawthorn drinkers and finish them on the spot. He simply said that these are not a pity. These people themselves chose their path. Why should they be pitied? And why is Muvka a fascist?

                ====
                how do you know that they themselves chose this path? circumstances, illness, character, betrayal, anything could serve as a reason, but many of them could live a different life, whether for the desire, opportunity, money from the state.
                1. Vasiliev Yu
                  Vasiliev Yu 22 December 2016 03: 20
                  +2
                  Quote: Victorio
                  Quote: 1rl141
                  Quote: Umnichka
                  And you, my friend, is a fascist.

                  Muvka does not offer to catch hawthorn drinkers and finish them on the spot. He simply said that these are not a pity. These people themselves chose their path. Why should they be pitied? And why is Muvka a fascist?

                  ====
                  how do you know that they themselves chose this path? circumstances, illness, character, betrayal, anything could serve as a reason, but many of them could live a different life, whether for the desire, opportunity, money from the state.

                  I’m also upset that the state doesn’t have money, and I don’t care. And then I have long had a desire to have a different life in the Canaries. And not fate! I also think that the state is not right in relation to me. (((
                  Stupidly hoping for the state and blaming only him, not himself beloved.
                2. 1rl141
                  1rl141 22 December 2016 12: 23
                  +1
                  Quote: Victorio
                  how do you know that they themselves chose this path? circumstances, illness, character, betrayal, and anything could serve as a reason, but many of them could live a different life, if that desire

                  I did not specifically copy the end of the phrase "opportunities, money from the state." Because the key word here is "be it a wish,".
                  Go up to any hawthorn lover and ask how to help him? Maybe he has nowhere to live? Maybe he needs work or medical care?
                  The answer will be obvious - help hangover. That’s all they need. Should the state hang over them?
          2. Ivan Tucha
            Ivan Tucha 21 December 2016 21: 11
            +20
            I got out of these in the late 90s. rather from the semi-homeless. returned from the army and the homeless. For 3 years they crawled along the streets, and crawled corners with their families, until they found their own corner .. and you also knew that you drank everything. he knows ... a doer. someone could, and someone not.
          3. Zibelew
            Zibelew 21 December 2016 21: 19
            +12
            Quote: Muvka
            Those who consume such drinks are not sorry. They did not bring any benefit to the country, believe me. I know these.

            We have people poisoning from Jack Daniel's whiskey. Yes, alcoholics are not elite strata of the population, many have fallen. But they have such entertainment. They cannot, like Shuvalov, ride dogs on a plane.
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            1. Cat man null
              Cat man null 21 December 2016 21: 27
              +6
              Quote: PHANTOM-AS
              Here is another colleague of yours: (Allen Dallas Directive 20/1 18.08.1948/XNUMX/XNUMX) + blah blah blah (a lot)

              - troll baby laughing
              - and to teach (conditionally) a homeless person not to drink a stick is unrealistic. Though you create some conditions for him.
              - I tried, I know.

              Somehow yes
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 21 December 2016 21: 43
                +7
                You too can sleep - when everyone forgets you.
                1. Cat man null
                  Cat man null 21 December 2016 21: 46
                  +9
                  Quote: Vadim237
                  You too can sleep - when everyone forgets you.

                  - may everyone be rewarded according to his deeds
                  - I can’t sleep. Technically impossible, I'll just move the horses before laughing
              2. Manul
                Manul 22 December 2016 00: 10
                +1
                Quote: Cat Man Null
                - troll baby

                No.
                1. Cat man null
                  Cat man null 22 December 2016 00: 14
                  0
                  Quote: Manul
                  No

                  - sternly, some kind of cowboy
                  - but it’s extremely senseless, my feline fellow negative
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              1. PHANTOM-AS
                PHANTOM-AS 21 December 2016 23: 13
                +8
                Quote: sniper
                And I don’t need to hang noodles on the ears about our responsibility for their fate. Each of us had a choice to take drugs or not, to drink poison or not, etc. So why should those who make the right choices be held accountable for idiots?

                Dear Sniper! You did not correctly understand the message of my post.
                I talked about the fact that these people were not born drunk or homeless.
                But something pushed them to move away from reality by drinking alcohol, and then, and then a serious illness, and not everyone will find the strength to get sick.
                Alcoholism is the same disease as many others.
                You can’t delete people from society only because they drank some hawthorn there, provided that many people simply do not have enough money for expensive drinks, the high cost, which, by the way, does not guarantee quality.
                Further, there is a belief that it is quite possible to run into a stick in stores, but not in a pharmacy. "Tincture of hawthorn" has long enjoyed the success of drinkers and it began not yesterday, but back in the years of perestroika, when it was problematic to buy alcohol in stores. We must also remember "bryntsalovka", etc.
                If enterprising "gentlemen" used a "promoted brand" in certain segments of the population and deliberately swelled methanol there, then this is a terrorist attack.
                How many lives would be saved by the word "CAUTION POISON"!
                And the slogan "enrich yourself by any means" must be scrapped. I have the honor. soldier
                1. sniper
                  sniper 21 December 2016 23: 22
                  +8
                  Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                  How many lives would be saved by the word "CAUTION POISON"!

                  On this I cannot but agree with you .... As for my taste, drug dealers deserve less punishment than sellers of counterfeit drugs and fake alcohol. The addict knows what he is buying and knows how much he will last out of this foolishness ... But the person who buys the MEDICINE, and received poison in return .... Such "entrepreneurs" ... Friends, I myself am a moderator, and I cannot write, then what should be ... hi
                  1. PHANTOM-AS
                    PHANTOM-AS 21 December 2016 23: 26
                    0
                    Quote: sniper
                    For my taste, drug dealers deserve less punishment than the sellers of counterfeit drugs and fake alcohol. The addict knows what he is buying and knows how much he will last out of this foolishness ... But the person who buys the MEDICINE, and received poison in return .... Such "entrepreneurs" ... Friends, I myself am a moderator, and I cannot write, then what should be ...

                    It’s good that you understood me and I also selected words so as not to go beyond the rules, because of this, perhaps, chaotically.
                    And I want to say sooooooooooo!
                2. Manul
                  Manul 22 December 2016 00: 15
                  +1
                  Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                  Further, there is a belief that it is quite possible to run into a stick in stores, but not in a pharmacy. "Tincture of hawthorn" has long enjoyed the success of drinkers and it began not yesterday, but back in the years of perestroika, when it was problematic to buy alcohol in stores. We must also remember "bryntsalovka", etc.
                  If enterprising "gentlemen" used a "promoted brand" in certain segments of the population and deliberately swelled methanol there, then this is a terrorist attack.
                  How many lives would be saved by the word "CAUTION POISON"!
                  And the slogan "enrich yourself by any means" must be scrapped. I have the honor.

                  Dear colleague, my thoughts have been expressed. Absolutely join. Thank.
                  1. PHANTOM-AS
                    PHANTOM-AS 22 December 2016 00: 21
                    0
                    Quote: Manul
                    Dear colleague, my thoughts have been expressed. Absolutely join. Thank.

                    Thank you for your kind words and support! hi
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            4. timothy61
              timothy61 21 December 2016 22: 05
              +1
              I wrote it correctly, I completely agree. It's just that these "smart people" did not really smell life or are miserable from birth.
            5. Sergey S.
              Sergey S. 21 December 2016 23: 38
              +4
              Quote: PHANTOM-AS
              Quote: Muvka
              Those who consume such drinks are not sorry. They did not bring any benefit to the country, believe me. I know these.


              These are our people and the state should take care of them, but someone is lobbying for the non-adoption of the law on state monopoly on alcohol.

              State responsibility cannot be denied.
              Special. when it calls itself social ... democratic .....
              Caring for the weak is not hard work. human duty and moral duty.
              Even parasitism is different. Sometimes out of despair.
              To kick the weak, already lying is meanness.

              Although aggression from the lumpen must be suppressed ... In order to be able to influence events, in addition to the Wishlist, one must also have moral right.

              Output.
              Alcoholics are also a pity.
              Alcoholics need to be helped in different directions, except for "let's figure it out for three."
              But alcoholics should not be given the opportunity to replenish their ranks ...
              1. PHANTOM-AS
                PHANTOM-AS 22 December 2016 00: 04
                +5
                Quote: Sergey S.
                Output.
                Alcoholics are also a pity.
                Alcoholics need to be helped in different directions, except for "let's figure it out for three."
                But alcoholics should not be given the opportunity to replenish their ranks ...

                I fully support.
                Great comment. +++++
            6. 34 region
              34 region 22 December 2016 00: 23
              +1
              21.24. Phantom As! Translation NSC 20/1 of August 18, 1948. Dulles Plan Same thing, but in dry documentary form.
              1. PHANTOM-AS
                PHANTOM-AS 22 December 2016 00: 27
                +4
                Quote: Region 34
                Translation NSC 20/1 of August 18, 1948. Dulles Plan Same thing, but in dry documentary form.

                It’s clear that it was written from him, the mattresses were taken by Goebbelshina and the hohlodonts were a vivid example of this. hi
            7. Vasiliev Yu
              Vasiliev Yu 22 December 2016 03: 10
              +1
              All drunks reason the same way.
              It’s not my fault that I’m a weak-bred cattle, getting drunk to a screeching screech - this is the state and Mendeleev made me like that. And whoever believes that alcoholism is not a disease (a good excuse, just forget about mentioning willpower and character), is akin to the Nazis.
              As always, everyone around is to blame, naturally except me, white and fluffy.
          5. aiden
            aiden 22 December 2016 04: 04
            +1
            I know such people in Afghanistan and Chechnya fought. Do you consider them useless? The question is different. What is the use of you? Your words smack of ideas of nationalism. I hope the FSB will pay attention to you. Also plus minded
        2. co-creator
          co-creator 21 December 2016 20: 45
          +11
          Quote: Zibelew
          We ourselves have huge losses from hawthorn. Found something to mock.

          What are these losses. The less drunk the better. normal people do not drink this thing.
        3. Marksman
          Marksman 21 December 2016 20: 46
          +3
          Quote: Zibelew
          We ourselves have huge losses from hawthorn. Found something to mock.
          Quote: nazar_0753
          These just jumped by now


          To mock is to compare death in battle and from blue, as it seems to me. Although people are still very sorry.
          "... The victims began to be admitted to medical institutions in the evening of December 17th. According to preliminary data, all of them consumed an alcohol-containing liquid - a perfumery cosmetic agent" Hawthorn Bath Concentrate. "
          1. bk316
            bk316 21 December 2016 20: 51
            +16
            Take it easy, whoever drinks bath concentrate deserves such an end.
            It will save many lives and destinies.
            I know what I'm writing about.
            1. Shurik70
              Shurik70 21 December 2016 20: 58
              +14
              Quote: bk316
              Take it easy, whoever drinks bath concentrate deserves such an end.

              Cynically ...
              But right.
              Seen enough on alcoholics that drink everything that burns. They carry a lot of grief to others.
              Cynically, their death is better than their life.
              1. PHANTOM-AS
                PHANTOM-AS 22 December 2016 00: 38
                +3
                Quote: bk316
                Take it easy, whoever drinks bath concentrate deserves such an end.

                Quote: Shurik70
                Cynically, their death is better than their life.

                "Do not renounce your wallet and prison" (c) is a popular saying.
                1. bk316
                  bk316 22 December 2016 11: 32
                  +4
                  Do not renounce your wallet and prison "

                  And I do not promise. And I do not treat them with snobbery. It's just that alcoholism is a completely conscious choice in 90% of cases, believe me, even a finished alcoholic can quit. So you want to drink a bath product - drink it, just why we should regret it, they themselves drank it.

                  And by the way, people around were pressed, like "life is hard and he drinks", this is a strong factor contributing to alcoholism
                  1. PHANTOM-AS
                    PHANTOM-AS 22 December 2016 16: 10
                    +1
                    Quote: bk316
                    And by the way, people around were pressed, like "life is hard and he drinks", this is a strong factor contributing to alcoholism

                    Listen, I said that:
                    1) The dead are people! And they should be treated as people, and not like cattle.
                    2) The very name "Hawthorn" and no mention of the poison.
                    3) Are you sure that those who were poisoned exclusively by homeless people, drunks and asocial elements?
                    4) In the late 80s, many drank hawthorn tincture, knowing that in addition to alcohol and it was hawthorn, there was nothing in the composition, and getting vodka was problematic for many.

                    PS. I’ll say one more wisdom for you (maybe your enlightenment will come) from the Bible. The Gospel of Matthew (chap. 7, vv. 1-2) says: “Do not judge, but you will not be judged, for by what court you judge, you will be judged thus; and by what measure you measure, so will they measure you. ”
            2. Senior manager
              Senior manager 21 December 2016 23: 12
              +3
              Excuse me, but who drinks "Jack Daniels" on methanol, according to your logic, also deserves such an end?
              1. Shurik70
                Shurik70 21 December 2016 23: 56
                +1
                Quote: St. Propulsion
                Excuse me, but who drinks "Jack Daniels" on methanol, according to your logic, also deserves such an end?

                And what does the fake product have to do with it?
                We're talking about a lotion that says "not for internal use."
                Manufacturers feel sorry. They’ll practically sit down.
                1. a housewife
                  a housewife 22 December 2016 01: 58
                  +2
                  Do you feel sorry for the manufacturers? And where does methyl alcohol come from in the bath fluid they made? Did he have the right to add? Poison is poison. And how does it act on the skin? and is it okay to bathe the children in such a bath? And I feel sorry for any people, while they are somehow people.
                2. fif21
                  fif21 22 December 2016 02: 37
                  +3
                  Quote: Shurik70
                  We are talking about a lotion, which says "not for internal use." For nothing, practically, they will sit down.

                  Who in Russia does not know the Hawthorn brand? It is like writing "Vodka" on the packaging of a cyanide solution. They will sit down deservedly, but it would be better if these hucksters were dripped alive. hi
                  1. bk316
                    bk316 22 December 2016 11: 23
                    +2
                    who in Russia does not know the Hawthorn brand?

                    You should not confuse medicine with bath liquid.
                    And then somehow questions arise for you
          2. Ulan
            Ulan 21 December 2016 20: 52
            +24
            I think many were confused by the name "hawthorn", immediately there was an analogy with the pharmaceutical "Tincture of hawthorn".
            People are still sorry. By the way, very expensive swill that is sold in bottles under the brands of famous drinks is also etched.
            And by the way, there is a solution - the state monopoly on alcohol and alcohol products, as it was in the USSR and as it is now in Belarus. Only the vodka mafia will not give up its giant profits so easily.
            1. PHANTOM-AS
              PHANTOM-AS 21 December 2016 23: 19
              +3
              Quote: Ulan
              And by the way, there is a solution - the state monopoly on alcohol and alcohol products, as it was in the USSR and as it is now in Belarus. Only the vodka mafia will not give up its giant profits so easily.

              Thank you. That's what I said .. hi
            2. Skubudu
              Skubudu 22 December 2016 07: 33
              +2
              Quote: Ulan
              I think many were confused by the name "hawthorn", immediately there was an analogy with the pharmaceutical "Tincture of hawthorn".
              People are still sorry. By the way, very expensive swill that is sold in bottles under the brands of famous drinks is also etched.
              And by the way, there is a solution - the state monopoly on alcohol and alcohol products, as it was in the USSR and as it is now in Belarus. Only the vodka mafia will not give up its giant profits so easily.

              There is an even better solution, but everyone must decide it: Do not drink, do not smoke, and being healthy is very beneficial for life.
              1. PHANTOM-AS
                PHANTOM-AS 22 December 2016 15: 55
                0
                Quote: Skubudu
                Do not drink, do not smoke, being healthy is very good for life.

                Living in general is harmful, you can die.
            3. bk316
              bk316 22 December 2016 11: 24
              +3
              And by the way, there is a solution - the state monopoly on alcohol and alcohol products

              Yes, I am in every possible way, but in fact in the USSR they were poisoned with meth.
        4. Asadullah
          Asadullah 21 December 2016 20: 59
          +7
          We ourselves have huge losses from hawthorn.


          Here is the thing, in the first month, we have two non-combat losses, - the recoilless drunk. Then there was a fashion to bodyad beer with dichlorvos, I died right in a hospital in Tashkent, I don’t know how much, but from the orderlies, for several months. Then in Burdenko, two noted something with dichloroethane. There was always a question, a question from a junior commander, would you take dichloroethane or non-recoil lovers into a group? Citizens who use such a potion almost consciously free up a place in life. It’s a little bad to say so, I feel it myself, my tongue doesn’t turn, but vodka is already ruining, and if vodka is a luxury for a person ........
        5. Homo
          Homo 21 December 2016 21: 33
          +2
          Quote: Zibelew
          We ourselves have huge losses from hawthorn. Found something to mock.

          And again "... to hell with a finger ..."! Have you come up with anything smarter?
          1. Marksman
            Marksman 21 December 2016 23: 24
            +1
            Quote: Homo
            Quote: Zibelew
            We ourselves have huge losses from hawthorn. Found something to mock.

            And again "... to hell with a finger ..."! Have you come up with anything smarter?


            It's a pity there are no downsides. Minus 50 to his message clearly showed the position of the audience, but this is necessary, otherwise the "crazy tricks" smashing everyone with low-content bullshit will begin to move from generals to officers ...
            And friend + on Likes, for bluish losses. I suggest he persuade the concierge to shelter the homeless in the stairwell for the same reasons.
            1. Cat man null
              Cat man null 21 December 2016 23: 43
              +3
              Quote: Marksman
              I suggest that he persuade the concierge to shelter the homeless in the stairwell for the same reasons.

              - it will not be enough
              - I suggest that he shelter this homeless person (with a company, so little things) in his hut
              - PHANTOM ACWell, by the way, I propose to do the same
              - treats excessive humanity quickly and radically yes
              1. Manul
                Manul 22 December 2016 00: 27
                +5
                Quote: Cat Man Null
                - PHANTOM AS, by the way, I propose to do the same
                - treats excessive humanity quickly and radically

                I am with FANTOMAS-OM on this issue. Painfully quickly, you all declared yourself ideal. And all not in your likeness - cattle. Even if we admit the correctness of your reasoning, it is still anti-human to spread them. Go and finish off the freezing bum with a bat so that he does not suffer, the "correct" ones are like that, since FANTOMAS-OM and I did not take them to our apartment. Or sponsor those who will be to release poison for them. It is disgusting to listen to you.
                1. Cat man null
                  Cat man null 22 December 2016 00: 41
                  +2
                  Quote: Manul
                  It's disgusting to listen to you

                  - do not like - do not eat (s)
                  - I, unlike you with PHANTOM ACOh, I have a personal, extremely negative experience in reforging these very homeless people. It’s quite civilian, shaved and not stinking, but heels who have lived for years, um, out of the house, say.
                  - there will be no details, do not expect laughing
                  - the result - they surrounded the apartment a couple of times (although there was really nothing to take, actually), and it was precisely those whom I tried to save from hunger and cold
                  - now, even if they die (and they will, then they soon promise to Tridtsakh ... I know myself - it’s extremely uncomfortable), they will no longer get to my house. For no haircuts. And I don't care what you and PHANTOM ACoh think about it.

                  Theorists of philanthropy, aphids negative
                  1. Manul
                    Manul 22 December 2016 00: 51
                    +2
                    Quote: Cat Man Null
                    Theorists of philanthropy, aphids

                    Yes, we are all here for the most part far from being boys. I don’t think that any of us has anything to confirm our opinion - everyone has seen something in life. But to me, Roman, your neglect initially seemed redundant, and when you turned on snobbery about human lives, I'm sorry - this is beyond my comprehension. I strongly disagree. We don’t have the facts, but all the poisoned people sucked. Let’s check to start - are they really people who do not deserve life? You see, Roman, they don’t operate on such things in society, even if you are more seasoned than me. But I'm not a kitten anymore.
                    ZY "Motherhood" is appropriated only because of the arrogant style of communication.
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                      1. Manul
                        Manul 22 December 2016 01: 34
                        +3
                        You have not followed my thought; you are content only with yours. With one thought. Okay, I'll try again, I won't, you are too in love with yourself, fluffy with our - "stroke me, otherwise I'll pour it on your trouser leg." We all understood that you saw the homeless people closely. I myself happen to be from public transport I expose so as not to smell, because all normal people will not get involved with this (if you don’t smell too much, go). Next, consider the budget of the Irkutsk resident and ours. Then let's look at the cost of living, the pleasure and the meaning of it all. And we get that in the outback, a person will not go to buy the Absolute, and everything else stinks with such a fucking smell that it is impossible to drink. The very name "Hawthorn" is provocative. If it seems to you that people who will lead to this are subject to destruction - offer to poison the hawthorn that is sold in pharmacies with a quick and painless poison. I myself do not like the disgusting, drunken creature that makes me cover my nose with a scarf in a passage or a subway car. But we really have no right to mock the dead. Maybe someone has been poured and not told that he will drink, anything can happen. I hope you understand me.
                2. Vasiliev Yu
                  Vasiliev Yu 22 December 2016 22: 45
                  0
                  Quote: Manul
                  Quote: Cat Man Null
                  - PHANTOM AS, by the way, I propose to do the same
                  - treats excessive humanity quickly and radically

                  I am with FANTOMAS-OM on this issue. Painfully quickly, you all declared yourself ideal. And all not in your likeness - cattle. Even if we admit the correctness of your reasoning, it is still anti-human to spread them. Go and finish off the freezing bum with a bat so that he does not suffer, the "correct" ones are like that, since FANTOMAS-OM and I did not take them to our apartment. Or sponsor those who will be to release poison for them. It is disgusting to listen to you.

                  I just realized now, re-reading what catches me here.
                  And my attitude to alcoholism catches me. About the same as in Europe to pe ... peks. The people are not ashamed, but try to assure everyone that this is normal. Type: understand, forgive., Like a famous character.
        6. lelikas
          lelikas 21 December 2016 22: 13
          +2
          Quote: Zibelew
          We ourselves have huge losses from hawthorn. Found something to mock.

          This is not a loss, it is called natural selection.
        7. oblako
          oblako 22 December 2016 04: 25
          0
          Hawthorn is our everything ... self-purification of the nation. Nobody agitated here. Free choice of a free person in a free country ... "Fiitsiant! Two hawthorns in one dish, we drink a smoke, a couple of dances and leave, by the way we leave much faster than from legal alcohol, but still we leave ..." And even in such quantities ... Gloom ... This is the euthanasia industry ...
        8. Oleg Monarchist
          Oleg Monarchist 22 December 2016 11: 50
          0
          In fact, they were poisoned there not with hawthorn, but with methyl alcohol, and in Ukraine in September of this year, 145 people were poisoned, 68 died.

          http://rian.com.ua/incidents/20161104/1018408308.
          html
      4. Genals
        Genals 22 December 2016 05: 29
        0
        Tired of jumping are no longer needed.
    2. 210ox
      210ox 21 December 2016 20: 17
      +4
      The devils jumped from hell when the new arrivals got to them ..
      Quote: rasputin17
      APU said that all this is crap !!! These are not their fighters there! Theirs are jumping with shouts of "hto ne skache" and these are not! bully
    3. tol100v
      tol100v 21 December 2016 20: 21
      +4
      Quote: rasputin17
      APU said that

      They said that they were exactly following the last order of the black monkey!
      1. Roman 11
        Roman 11 21 December 2016 20: 47
        0
        Quote: Tol100v
        They said that they were exactly following the last order of the black monkey!

        Obama - the baboon leaves, but the mechanism of death continues to beat in the hearts of independence ... the circle is closed, there is no move
        1. Ulan
          Ulan 21 December 2016 20: 56
          +1
          In the remaining month, this pencil with ears will try to spoil as much as possible in Ukraine as well.
          Poroshenko also has the last chance to avoid the trial and the indignation of people in Ukraine with an incompetent economic policy. The war will write everything off.
          I think this whole month before Trump’s inauguration, provocations will intensify. I do not rule out a full-scale war, this is Petya’s last chance to stay in power.
    4. vovanpain
      vovanpain 21 December 2016 20: 26
      +31
      “Around 16:00 p.m. APU fired at Dokuchaevsk from an infantry fighting vehicle, school building No. 3 was damaged

      Here, to hell and the road to the murderers. negative
      1. Shurik70
        Shurik70 21 December 2016 20: 53
        +6
        Something I doubt that those who shoot howitzers know where they shoot.
        The commander said azimuth, elevation. And of course he added that there was a regiment of armatures.
        Those who give orders and give orders - they just stay alive.
        Ordinary that die - they are simply duped, with brainwashed.
        Of course, it is necessary to kill them (otherwise they will do such troubles!).
        But still sorry.
        1. your1970
          your1970 21 December 2016 21: 19
          +2
          good gunners (trained!) always know where they stand and where they shoot ....
          APU, well, I don’t know, in my opinion - there aren’t any there ...
          1. x.andvlad
            x.andvlad 21 December 2016 22: 30
            +2
            Where exactly the artillery fire is being fired from a closed firing position, as a rule, the senior officer on the battery (SOB) knows, i.e. because it has a map and equipment for orienting the guns. The calculations are obliged to "stupidly", but clearly and smoothly follow the instructions of the SOB, setting up the settings for firing (protractor, sight, charge, etc.) and firing directly. The calculations, of course, have no time to ask or think about where the fire is being fired, except for direct or semi-direct fire, when the commander of the calculation and the calculation directly see the target and adjust the shooting.
            1. your1970
              your1970 22 December 2016 07: 56
              +1
              You wrote everything correctly, I’ll add only when the calculations sit for several months at the same positions in your native country and run to the neighboring village every night for the booze, they know the direction of fire and its range (charge + angle) - knowing all this DO NOT know where you can shoot only in one case, when you DO NOT want to know ...
              When I shot at the term in Karakum, yes there, there weren’t even any shepherds according to the director for 200 km, and that cordon was exposed from sin .... And here - in a densely populated area ....

              The local population is especially silent, which it sells moonshine to them-embedded on Nsk today? Well done, well, you’ve decided to separty ..
              Local can not be otherwise, they will accuse of separatism so as not to repay debts for the booze ...
              1. x.andvlad
                x.andvlad 22 December 2016 13: 56
                0
                It remains to add that hardly anybody will answer for the mistakes of half-drunk calculation commanders and gunners.
              2. Shurik70
                Shurik70 22 December 2016 23: 14
                +1
                Quote: your1970
                when the calculations sit for several months at the same positions in their native country and run to the neighboring village every night for booze, they know the direction of fire and its range

                When the calculation sits in one position, it will be covered with the answer from the second or third time.
                In this war, positions must be changed after several volleys.
        2. fif21
          fif21 22 December 2016 02: 50
          +2
          Quote: Shurik70
          Of course, it is necessary to kill them (otherwise they will do such troubles!). But it’s a pity anyway.

          Sorry for the bee. If in a clash you succumb to emotions, your family will have to mourn you. soldier
        3. Genals
          Genals 22 December 2016 05: 33
          0
          One must be a completely stubborn kakel in order not to understand the general task of a punitive operation. And you, the gunner or the commander, are the tenth cases, both of them are subject to destruction in battle.
    5. jovanni
      jovanni 21 December 2016 20: 50
      +1
      Quote: rasputin17
      APU said that all this is crap !!! These are not their fighters there! Theirs are jumping with shouts of "hto ne skache" and these are not! bully


      Thus, it turns out that all killed Ukrainians automatically become Muscovites ...
    6. Observer2014
      Observer2014 21 December 2016 20: 51
      +13
      rasputin17 hiQuote:
      APU said that all this crap !!!
      They are always crap. Then they will come (if they are lucky) for demobilization. They will sing a pitying song on the bench with a drunken song. Then, after scratching their turnips, they will understand that no one needs nafig. Whatever God forbid, who would not find out that having "fought" by quiet sadness against "zrabitki". In the lair of the "aggressor's country".
      P \ S FSB you at least filter this trash? For if ordinary Russian people filter out. They can not reach the "organs" alive.
    7. KazaK Bo
      KazaK Bo 21 December 2016 20: 54
      +1
      [quote rasputin17
      APU said that all this is crap !!! These are not their fighters there! Theirs are jumping with shouts of "hto ne skache" and these are not! ] [/ quote]
      That's right ... these are the Nazis sent from Avakov’s battalions ... The hour of truth is approaching between Poroshenko (on the one hand) and Yatsenyuk and Avakov ... Here Parasha is grinding the most combat-ready forces of his political opponents ...
    8. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 21 December 2016 21: 06
      +8
      Now there are attacks, they began at 18:50, under the shelling of Debaltseve, for 1,5 years, shells did not arrive there.
  2. 210ox
    210ox 21 December 2016 20: 16
    +5
    What can I say ... Pomer Maxim, well, to hell with him ... We got what they deserved. By the way, what about the LPNR's losses? And they did not lose their position during this "rake attack"?
    1. Comrade Glebov
      Comrade Glebov 21 December 2016 20: 25
      +1
      Quote: 210ox
      And they did not lose their positions during this "rake attack"?

      So they write that "the enemy retreated to the previously occupied positions." Although who knows, they never lie as much as lie in the war.
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      1. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 21 December 2016 21: 02
        +7
        All right. He speaks of 40 killed and 50 wounded over Tuesday, and 50 soldiers with infantry fighting vehicles attacked this morning. And now they are advancing.
        1. CRONOS
          CRONOS 21 December 2016 21: 15
          +2
          Yes, only he doesn’t explain anywhere exactly when and what were the losses. Yes, and little faith in so many corpses. Usually, something closer to reality should be divided by 2.
          Another point is that the Dobrobatovites may not be considered as full-fledged soldiers and are not recorded as APU losses.
          I recall the chronicles of losses during the battle on the ice. The Livons pointed to 20 knights, and ours about 500. Both were right - only every 10th could be a knight, and all the rest - squires, servants, auxiliary troops, which were not considered particularly valuable. Ours could count all under one comb.
        2. private person
          private person 21 December 2016 21: 24
          +1
          And all the same, somewhere crap such losses in the battalion? Yes, it needs to be withdrawn already for reformation. A photo of the corpses just from different angles shot one person.
          1. Lord of the Sith
            Lord of the Sith 21 December 2016 21: 27
            +4
            So it is concluded that some brigades were twice reorganized after losses near Shakhtar and Ilovaisk and then near Debaltseve. And you say battalions ...
  3. NEXUS
    NEXUS 21 December 2016 20: 16
    +5
    What, again Debaltseve? Natsik and strive to step on the same rake. Apparently short memory of Svidovskogo Ukrainians.
    1. DDR
      DDR 21 December 2016 20: 25
      +3
      Quote: NEXUS
      What, again Debaltseve?

      Apparently they liked the "stew" from the cauldron, they ask for "supplements". fool
    2. rasputin17
      rasputin17 21 December 2016 20: 30
      +1
      Yes, no, it’s they who work out the last tranche which has long been stolen! Hope for a new one !! And those that remained so loud PR move to call pity and new loans! To whom is war and to whom is mother dear!
    3. kostiknet
      kostiknet 21 December 2016 20: 40
      +1
      Quote: NEXUS
      What, again Debaltseve?

      And they have such a tradition ... Almost like lemings. Once a year, as soon as there is nothing to feed the Zolds, they merge under Debaltseve !! hi
    4. svp67
      svp67 21 December 2016 20: 46
      0
      Quote: NEXUS
      What, again Debaltseve?

      And where is not that? And Debaltseve is a strategically important settlement. For his possession and there is a struggle.
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 21 December 2016 20: 50
        +2
        Quote: svp67
        And where is not that? And Debaltseve is a strategically important settlement. For his possession and there is a struggle.

        Well, yes ... 2 armored personnel carriers and a platoon ... kapets fighters. Or maybe they just decided to take this strategic point by "blueprint"?
        1. svp67
          svp67 21 December 2016 22: 33
          0
          Quote: NEXUS
          Well, yes ... 2 armored personnel carriers and a platoon ... kapets fighters. Or maybe they just decided to take this strategic point by "blueprint"?

          In order to take Debaltseve you need to prepare good bridgeheads and pull up the artillery as close as possible. What are they doing now. This is called loosening the defense. When in small strikes, a general offensive is prepared. It is possible that on a completely different section of the front.
  4. shultz21070
    shultz21070 21 December 2016 20: 17
    +2
    something is not clear - in the end, how many people? how huge are the losses?
    1. rasputin17
      rasputin17 21 December 2016 20: 22
      +1
      I will not argue, but one publication spoke of forty goblins! hi
  5. OLD FART
    OLD FART 21 December 2016 20: 18
    +7
    I am sure that most of the drunks were in the stage of "delirium tremens", otherwise there is no way to explain it .. Oh, Ukraine, what are you doing ..
    1. byxarik1
      byxarik1 21 December 2016 20: 59
      +3
      the even does not converge with such an abundance of blood on clothes and not a drop in the snow - they were already brought to this place dead. just a note.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 21 December 2016 21: 48
        +3
        And another strange thing - there is no helmet or unloading armor on it.
      2. Papapg
        Papapg 21 December 2016 22: 33
        +2
        And the shooting is either boots, then another part of the body or clothes, so that it is not clear. And where are the two missing LNR soldiers? About the missing a word, as if written off. And Major Eagle, took a machine gun, with a magazine, maybe on a combat platoon and shakes him at 3.25 with the barrel towards the operator. Looks very much like a production. Also - just a note.
      3. Manul
        Manul 22 December 2016 00: 33
        +3
        Quote: byxarik1
        the even does not converge with such an abundance of blood on clothes and not a drop in the snow - they were already brought to this place dead. just a note.

        By itself. They will be buried later. We are not Bandera snakes. Most likely they dragged him to one place, and then they buried him there - why should the operator be forced to jump through the trenches?
        1. byxarik1
          byxarik1 22 December 2016 10: 24
          0
          and that is true! did not think correct!
    2. cayman gene
      cayman gene 22 December 2016 00: 17
      +2
      Which, to hell with a morgue, cremated under a photographic protocol, the content in the morgue costs money, a barrel of diesel fuel and burn ukrozhmarurov.
  6. Barbulator
    Barbulator 21 December 2016 20: 18
    +2
    Well, again the pale-faced horses stepped on the same rake! (Chingachgook)
  7. panov_panov
    panov_panov 21 December 2016 20: 18
    +3
    Another herd for slaughter.
    1. rasputin17
      rasputin17 21 December 2016 20: 25
      +1
      Quote: panov_panov
      Another herd for slaughter.

      No gifts for Christmas and New Year !! bully
  8. novobranets
    novobranets 21 December 2016 20: 18
    +5
    “In the afternoon, the enemy intensified towards the Kalinovka settlement. After conducting powerful artillery training for an hour and a half, at 15.30 with the forces of over 50 people, with the support of three BMP units, he went on the offensive to the forefront of the People’s Police of the LPR ”
    Something I did not quite understand. Who is advancing on the prepared line of defense with the platoon forces? Moreover, with such a "powerful" cover, three infantry fighting vehicles, laughter and nothing more. More like reconnaissance in force than attempted breakout. And the forces are too small for reconnaissance. Who will open fire from all those available, for the sake of fifty? Some kind of nonsense.
    1. Zarin
      Zarin 21 December 2016 20: 30
      +4
      In theory, there, where they attacked after an hour and a half of artillery bombardment, there should not have been stone on stone and only one orderly would have been enough to witness the capture of the defense line.
      1. byxarik1
        byxarik1 21 December 2016 21: 04
        +1
        after the artillery bombardment an offensive began, which in turn was clamped in ticks along the flanks. The conclusion itself suggests that there was no one there.
      2. novobranets
        novobranets 22 December 2016 12: 18
        0
        Quote: Zarin
        there should not have been stone upon stone

        Where, in what manual it is written that art training can destroy 100% of the defenders' manpower. The calculation of the personnel of a subunit preparing for an attack on an entrenched enemy is carried out (at least earlier) from a ratio of 1 to 3, this is a classic. No "discounts" for artillery preparation are being made. Ukrainian, so to speak, officers, simply left their people to die. I'm not even talking about the minefield, this is generally beyond my understanding.
    2. svp67
      svp67 21 December 2016 20: 50
      +2
      Quote: novobranets
      More like reconnaissance in battle than an attempt to break through.

      This is what the Americans teach them. Since powerful offensives do not work out, they try to bite off "bit by bit" ...
      1. novobranets
        novobranets 22 December 2016 12: 21
        0
        Quote: svp67
        trying to bite off "bit by bit" ...

        They only bite off of themselves. Damn, somewhere in my heart I even feel sorry for these unfortunate boys, they will lie there, everyone will. They have long experienced the patience of DLNR, it is time to pay the bills.
  9. Alex_59
    Alex_59 21 December 2016 20: 19
    0
    Two BMPs are huge losses?
    1. svp67
      svp67 21 December 2016 20: 23
      +13
      Quote: Alex_59
      Two BMPs are huge losses?

      Is there a desire to try at least one knock out?
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 21 December 2016 21: 52
        0
        From the ATGM Competition would be happy to knock out.
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 21 December 2016 21: 56
          +3
          Quote: Vadim237
          From PTRK Competition would love to beat

          - And you would love to be shot, for now, yes ...
          - Vadim, make bearings better ... by the way, what are you doing there for bearings? wink
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 22 December 2016 18: 59
            0
            They shoot from three thousand meters - you have to be a super sniper "Competition" hits 4000 meters. We manufacture plain bearings - the base is brass, aluminum, all kinds of parts made of titanium alloys, steel, cast iron and other materials, in certain dimensions, of course, to order. Last month, we made parts for 117 gyroscopes, there is a proposal to make titanium prostheses - but I am still considering that.
      2. Alex_59
        Alex_59 21 December 2016 23: 45
        0
        Quote: svp67
        Is there a desire to try at least one knock out?

        There is a desire that the headings do not diverge from the content.
    2. Awaz
      Awaz 21 December 2016 20: 42
      +5
      Have you ever had a thread hit by shelling from even a machine gun? BMP is quite a serious weapon, especially when there is nothing to get it. With a good organization with infantry and a well-coordinated BMP crew, you can cause a lot of trouble to the enemy. Something similar happened when the Ukrovoyaki took height. But when the Donetsk people were angry, they got the full of heavy equipment, as a result, they happened to drape and throw their dead. It is clear that the two abandoned are not an indicator, but still show panic in the ranks of the Armed Forces
    3. private person
      private person 21 December 2016 21: 26
      +1
      When you sit on the couch, then no, but in battle ...
  10. BABA SHURA
    BABA SHURA 21 December 2016 20: 19
    +3
    Why write the same thing, under the Great, numbers should stand!
  11. cosmos132
    cosmos132 21 December 2016 20: 21
    +3
    Having occupied a height, they were shot by artillery from the flanks and lay down there. Now they scream it attacked us.
  12. Nyrobsky
    Nyrobsky 21 December 2016 20: 21
    +3
    APU without cradles, as without gingerbread, they can’t live. They grabbed back. Why climbed?
  13. svp67
    svp67 21 December 2016 20: 22
    +2
    Poroshenko does everything so that MINSK-3 would be signed. But just how much do we need it? It's not clear yet. I think the main answers we will get in January.
  14. Comrade Glebov
    Comrade Glebov 21 December 2016 20: 23
    +7
    The systematic genocide of the Ukrainian people by the Kiev authorities is in full swing. They led the soldiers to slaughter, not at all surprised that they quickly flinched and ran, apparently completely demoralized (which is not surprising). Petro is afraid that tomorrow the APU will turn around and will crash around Kiev. Hurry, they would have already liberated Ukraine and the Ukrainian people from this bloody disgrace.
    1. Roman 11
      Roman 11 21 December 2016 21: 02
      +2
      Quote: Comrade Glebov
      Hurry, they would have already liberated Ukraine and the Ukrainian people from this bloody disgrace.

      There Lviv needs to be cleaned up, the radicals in it breed ..... more precisely, they are not disposed of, because with fecundity they are getting tighter from year to year; tea does not live under the USSR. After all, they lived, did not grieve - no, give them independence ... What ?? From a good life or what? Well, live independently, unless anyone is opposed .... only that's how much you get in 2 years, when you lose gas transit - and that's 15 yards of greenery. Though it’s necessary to think somehow, America should rub the pooh on you, they themselves with a mustache - whoever mastered them, but denyushka served them for their daily bread.
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    2. Velizariy
      Velizariy 22 December 2016 09: 01
      +1
      Quote: Comrade Glebov
      genocide Ukrainian people

      This is the work of your Judeo-Bolshevik robbers! They planted this "bomb" that now the once united Russian people have become Ukrainian in some places!
      1. Comrade Glebov
        Comrade Glebov 23 December 2016 01: 24
        +1
        Of course of course. This is all of us ... And it was precisely this that we made 1917 Ukraine proclaim autonomy in May-June, and the interim government to recognize it. Yeah. And Finland, of course we let go. Can you still blame us for the murder of Boris Godunov? Sounds from the point of view of history just as insanely. But I like you, I love under-educated children.
  15. tractor driver
    tractor driver 21 December 2016 20: 23
    +1
    Huge - how much? two out of three infantry fighting vehicles?
    Why photo? I see the body. Looks like a corpse. They wrote that ten were killed, but nothing about this in this news.
  16. Baloo
    Baloo 21 December 2016 20: 29
    +4
    Nobody called them to Donbass, they would sit at home caressing beloved women.
    It’s bad to say so, but I’m not sorry for them, as well as the subsequent ones. It’s their own fault that they put the power of fascist bandits on their heads and put up with them.
  17. VikVik741
    VikVik741 21 December 2016 20: 34
    +7
    Parashka from the private bank distracts attention.
    1. kapitan92
      kapitan92 21 December 2016 20: 53
      +5
      Quote: VikVik741
      Parashka from the private bank distracts attention.

      You are probably right. After the scam with Privatbank, in which the grandmother "burned out" as a physical. persons and legal entities persons before Christmas and New Year, it is necessary to distract the population. A small "victorious operation" could be just that. Even the defeat and the corpses of the soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will do for this purpose.
      For business for the bucket is above all!
  18. panov_panov
    panov_panov 21 December 2016 20: 35
    +2
    Quote: rasputin17
    Quote: panov_panov
    Another herd for slaughter.

    No gifts for Christmas and New Year !! bully

    Well, these gifts are already picked up.
  19. CYBERNINJA
    CYBERNINJA 21 December 2016 20: 38
    +6
    "The best army in Europe" - For Potroshenko, rush with words, how to blow your nose ... Judging by the photos and videos, the money for the armament of soldiers has settled in those who need it ...
  20. Taygerus
    Taygerus 21 December 2016 20: 40
    +2
    the owners see the offensive preparing to hike probing
  21. Rock_n_roll
    Rock_n_roll 21 December 2016 20: 48
    +2
    - Even a kid some kind of inanimate
    - Yes, there is little ... (c) The Brigade
  22. Umnichka
    Umnichka 21 December 2016 20: 55
    +2
    About the victims of the hawthorn. I read the comments - as it turns out there are many Trotskyists! Was there really not enough Red Terror !? Read the classics - "Who are the judges?" Judge not lest ye be judged. The victims of the exam. I mean Edinokrovets and people like him.
  23. Vladimir Matveyev
    Vladimir Matveyev 21 December 2016 20: 58
    0
    Blah blah blah! Most importantly, the positions returned?
  24. Methane
    Methane 21 December 2016 21: 04
    0
    Quote: Vladimir Matveev
    Blah blah blah! Most importantly, the positions returned?

    Returned.
  25. couch but smart general
    couch but smart general 21 December 2016 21: 05
    0
    urgently needed from Syria back and forth after all the Slavs of the Matalka Christmas tree! and the Slavs are real and not half-breeds like the rest!
    1. private person
      private person 21 December 2016 21: 29
      0
      A weak volunteer?
      1. couch but smart general
        couch but smart general 21 December 2016 22: 31
        +1
        but it’s weak that my mother is a retired visually impaired person and I am alone? otherwise I would gladly
  26. German Titov
    German Titov 21 December 2016 21: 07
    +4
    Somehow, no one invited the guys to visit. There are generally "local miners" on the "art" are. And they always want to ask - "and to shoot our cities on the khiba?"
  27. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 21 December 2016 21: 14
    +1
    There mime and road good
    1. Evil543
      Evil543 21 December 2016 21: 35
      +1
      The same inscription was made by spirits at the Bamut school
  28. German Titov
    German Titov 21 December 2016 21: 15
    +3
    Quote: kapitan92
    Quote: VikVik741
    Parashka from the private bank distracts attention.

    You are probably right. After the scam with Privatbank, in which the grandmother "burned out" as a physical. persons and legal entities persons before Christmas and New Year, it is necessary to distract the population. A small "victorious operation" could be just that. Even the defeat and the corpses of the soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will do for this purpose.
    For business for the bucket is above all!


    And where and when can she be "victorious"? The sick army of the crap president. An army that has "bared" the trunks of its people is not an army. We defended Donbass, we will defend and defend. We "cleaned" the earth from freaks, we "clean up" and "clean up" we will.
  29. Isograph
    Isograph 21 December 2016 21: 17
    +7
    Work, brethren. What more can I wish for here. The truth is for you, but the fascist coders have zero chances. God bless New Russia.
    1. Dembel77
      Dembel77 21 December 2016 21: 27
      +1
      Work, brothers! Death to Kiev fascism!
  30. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 21 December 2016 21: 25
    0
    The regime of a complete ceasefire in the Donbass will enter into force on the night of December 23-24. Following the results of the negotiations of the Contact Group in Minsk, OSCE Special Representative Martin Saydik said.
    Martin Saidik, OSCE Special Representative in the Contact Group: “We, members of the Trilateral Contact Group and representatives of the ORDO and ORLO, emphasizing the need to ensure peace and tranquility in connection with the upcoming holidays, reaffirm our commitment to a sustainable ceasefire starting from 00:00 December 24th of this year, according to Kiev time ”.http: //reporter.dn.ua/news/politics/v_mi
    nske_dogovorilis_o_prekrashchenii_ognya_s_24_deka
    brya /
  31. mintai_kot
    mintai_kot 21 December 2016 21: 37
    +2
    Today, 2x200x ukrov was brought to us in Debala to the morgue, yesterday two urals were taken to Enakievo, also 200x wounded Ukrainians were also there
  32. Fiber forehead
    Fiber forehead 21 December 2016 21: 41
    +1
    The death conveyor continues to collect its bloody harvest. Russian people are dying. Who will answer?
  33. Vladimir Sklyarov
    Vladimir Sklyarov 21 December 2016 21: 42
    +4
    Vladimir
    Woe for mothers, wives and children. What are they fighting for ?. For the fact that Donbass decided to hold a referendum and the right to greater independence, for the right to speak their native language, for the right to remember and know their history and their heroes, for the right to be a HUMANITY. Then it was necessary to start bombing from Kiev. After all, they say a revolution of "worth", that is, dignity, took place there. What dignity? The dignity of one person over another, that he thinks differently, that he insists on the observance of rights and freedoms in accordance with the constitution.
    Why do you lads from the APU die? And who sent you to the slaughter? Not one in your lives has become a millionaire.
    Surely in Ukraine there will not be at least one real cadre officer who would stop this senseless fratricidal war ...
  34. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 21 December 2016 21: 58
    +2
    At first I wanted to leave whatever witty comments and make money on the "starley", and then looked at the Ukop resources and cooled off. In principle, everything is the same, but with the opposite sign. And it was alarmed that they are posting videos, and on ours - one incomprehensible photo. And this is in an age when everyone has a phone with a camera? I will refrain for now ... Warriors, when they lost the airport and Debaltseve, also made loud statements ...
    1. panov_panov
      panov_panov 21 December 2016 22: 15
      +1
      On our central channels, and the video showed ... I don’t know whether the APU moved there or not, but there are much more wounded and killed there than in their official broadcasts, I can say for sure!
  35. Papapg
    Papapg 21 December 2016 22: 23
    +1
    Something does not grow together about the mountains of corpses, the destroyed equipment, is not confirmed, our pilots remember the destroyed enemy planes if there was no confirmation of the fact of destruction, they did not protect either. And here, there are a lot of words, but there are only two corpses. I remember at the beginning of the "breakthrough" it was reported about two missing soldiers, so they were found or will not be looked for? Or are they really? Everything is dull, there are many words.
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 21 December 2016 23: 29
      +1
      Here I am about the same ...
  36. shurik
    shurik 21 December 2016 22: 31
    +2
    the bodies of APU fighters who died in an attempt to break through the Kalinovka village were delivered to the Debaltseve morgue.

    And how many religion does not allow to indicate?
  37. vell.65
    vell.65 21 December 2016 22: 32
    +1
    Quote: nazar_0753
    These just jumped by now

    Quote: nazar_0753
    These just jumped by now
    Reply Quote

    Just look what they are wearing, and it's not summer.
  38. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 21 December 2016 22: 33
    +1
    Wounded? Well, this is in the spirit of the APU. There are no losses, but these .. THESE WITHOUT NEWS LOST.
    Why do they do it? Meaningless offensive, not prepared, not provided, what is the purpose? Or is the maidan of the brain so deep that it simply breaks up the brain?
  39. Holoy
    Holoy 21 December 2016 22: 34
    +1
    Seriously ... Our Well done!
  40. Al. Peresvet
    Al. Peresvet 21 December 2016 22: 43
    +5
    Fix all these brothers. Make a video, document. Enter a report. As your losses, so these geeks-uromaidan benderofascists. And their bodies and passports and their documents, also fix everything. and document and video.
    Reckoning will come to them.
  41. German Titov
    German Titov 21 December 2016 22: 48
    +9
    Quote: mintai_kot
    Today, 2x200x ukrov was brought to us in Debala to the morgue, yesterday two urals were taken to Enakievo, also 200x wounded Ukrainians were also there


    Count it up, Zemlya, I'm really crying. "Debala" is not with you, but with us. Yenakiyevo is not with you, but with us. I am, very sorry (really sorry), the victims (we are not human animals). You didn’t wear ankle-deep blood ankle boots in a trolley bus “at the Bossa stop”. Therefore, we repeat "for those who are in helmets" (the expression of the company commander in Afghanistan), - do not "roam around the Donbass", we take care of our health - we are ammunition.
  42. Bering Strait
    Bering Strait 21 December 2016 22: 52
    0
    The more we rent out, the better ... Welcome to Hell, gentlemen of Bandera ...
  43. victorrat
    victorrat 21 December 2016 22: 57
    +1
    How tired of this hiding place. I think that all normal people are tired of both in Russia and Ukraine. Only here we can calmly speak and scold, and there they are afraid. We wish the Donetsk people killed all this shelupon. It is only a pity that the defenders of their Russian land are dying. After all, in fact, there is no Ukrainian land.
  44. 7 poplar
    7 poplar 21 December 2016 22: 57
    0
    all will not calm down
  45. mindat 76
    mindat 76 21 December 2016 23: 02
    0
    "Deer" is not a pity. There is always a varice to surrender or desert. Looks like these were especially motivated. To blame and blame. So that others think.
  46. fa2998
    fa2998 21 December 2016 23: 04
    +3
    Quote: Vadim237
    And another strange thing - there is no helmet or unloading armor on it.

    The strangest thing is that the fighters of the Ukrainian Armed Forces are too lightly dressed. We already have winter (I live 5 km from the border), at night until -15-17. I think I don’t put anything on top of the white mask; request hi
  47. mmk
    mmk 21 December 2016 23: 10
    0
    The photo shows that a young kid.
  48. Kelnot
    Kelnot 21 December 2016 23: 14
    +1
    And I feel sorry for them. And it’s a pity not because I am a liberalist, tolerast and heretic, but purely soldierly. I myself served. I don’t know what kind of people they were, good or bad .. They disappeared ingloriously.
  49. sounddoc
    sounddoc 21 December 2016 23: 19
    +2
    Hto not zdokhne - that Muscovite ??????????? (((((((((((((((
  50. Barakuda
    Barakuda 21 December 2016 23: 40
    +5
    Guys ! Sin jiving. VSUshniki told me that there were more than one hundred, sobbed, thumped, and not at all 50 people. died .. It's us the Slavs, ... basically, after all, someone will think when it’s not.
    1. Velizariy
      Velizariy 22 December 2016 08: 45
      0
      This will be as long, citizens of the Slavs, as long as you are "Ukrainians" ... And you don't need to joke! The more "ukrov" will die, the better for the organizers of this split of the Russian people! After all, hatred is so sown in people. If you killed a neighbor's son, and he is yours, then you are unlikely to be friends.