The President of Russia awarded Ambassador Andrei Karlov the title of Hero of Russia (posthumously)

Russian President Vladimir Putin today signed a decree conferring the title of Hero of Russia posthumously on Russian ambassador Andrei Karlov. Relevant information appeared on the site of the Kremlin.

Here is the full text of the presidential decree:

For the shown resilience and courage in the post of the Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary Ambassador of the Russian Federation in the Republic of Turkey, a great contribution to the implementation of the foreign policy of the Russian Federation to assign the title of Hero of the Russian Federation to Charles Andrei Gennadievich (posthumously).

Andrei Karlov will be buried in Moscow tomorrow - December 22. Responsibility for his assassination was claimed by the terrorist group “Jaish al-Fatah”, which in a number of countries was still called “moderate opposition”.

For reference: Andrei Karlov was born in 1954 in Moscow. He is a graduate of the Moscow State Institute of Foreign Affairs of the USSR (1976 year). A representative of a family of hereditary diplomats. He worked in the diplomatic field in the DPRK. In 2013, he was appointed Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary of the Russian Federation to Turkey. Killed by several shots in the back on December 19 in Ankara during the opening ceremony of the exhibition "Russia through the eyes of the Turks."

Comments

[hirurg]

Oh Vladimir Vladimirovich! If the title could bring a person back. Father to children. Grandfather, grandchildren ... Well, really not count in advance.
Somehow .... it turns out that with our plane, that with Palmyra, now the ambassador ...
How is it that no one was behind him ..? ..
Shitty work! Relaxed!
It looks like making amends.

[rasputin17]

it is of course that no one will return anything as it was! But even though this recognition of the State will help at least somehow console (not make up for) the pain of loss !! If every official bloodsucker that sits on our neck at least a little felt his responsibility to the people and not to his pocket and was ready for self-sacrifice, then we would have left everyone at the point where they came from !!

[hirurg]

Yes, evil is not enough! If diplomats perish for no reason ... what can ordinary mortals talk about us.

[rasputin17]

what can ordinary mortals talk about us.

And my life is free !!! as Sharik said when he was about to drown for a gun!
So judge for yourself! In other matters, it’s better to live here for free than it’s good to rest there with honors!

[Homo]

Quote: hirurg

Yes, evil is not enough! If diplomats perish for no reason ... what can ordinary mortals talk about us.

And Vaska listens and eats. Without reading the comments, it oppresses its own. And its rotten! I just want to say - WRITE !!!

[hirurg]

Gennady, I don’t understand you, explain .. Especially WRITE is to whom?

[hirurg]

------- And Vaska is listening and eating. Without reading the comments, it oppresses its own. And its rotten! I just want to say - WRITE !!!

I read your comments and was horrified.
Not a single common sense! There are no thoughts on the article, there is a fuss about readers' comments.
You see, there are people who discuss and express common sense.
And there are people who are trying to shit on the head of others, thereby raising their image.
You belong to the second.
Gennady! And you wouldn’t go ....

[Homo]

Yes, everything seems clear, the link to your comment means to you!

[papas-57]

`` If every official bloodsucker that sits on our neck felt at least a little of his responsibility to the people and not to his own pocket and was ready for self-sacrifice, then we would have left everyone at the point where they came from !! '' I do not think that Karlov, going to the exhibition, `` felt at least a little of his responsibility to the people and not to his own pocket and was ready for self-sacrifice. '' It was just a routine routine for him. And if he could find out about the consequences, then a personal order of the GDP would not have taken him outside the embassy.

[stas]

By status, the Hero of Russia is appropriated for personal courage, and not for death at the hands of a terrorist.
According to the Kremlin, then it is necessary to appropriate the Hero, all passengers of the plane blown up in Egypt and killed in Russia at the hands of terrorists.
So the status of the Hero of Russia is only lowered.
Nothing wrong with the deceased ambassador to Turkey, but Putin is hard to understand.
This should not be done, but the king sees his own.

[3danimal]

I believe that such a practice devalues ​​this award. The Star of the Hero turns into a pleasant gift for a person or a comforting one for relatives.

[papas-57]

In about 20 years you’ll look at the Hero and think about why he received the award. Either he drenched terrorists for a couple of years, or crossed the street at rush hour in the wrong place, or as if under Brezhnev, he lived to see the round date. With such distributions, the title of Hero will fall below the plinth.

[stas]

Do not rinse Brezhnev, he went through the war and received the Hero of the USSR in the war.

[Cat man null]

Quote: stas

he went through the war and the Hero of the USSR got in the war

For reference: L.I. Brezhnev received his first (out of four) Golden Star in 1966.

So what about "got it in the war" (or deserved it in the war, whatever you like) would you ... be more careful, or something

[CosmoKot]

Yeah, as many as four stars of a hero and a star of a hero of social labor, for being a political instructor (political officer) heroically rubbed agitpropovy baidu for fighters and commanders, and earned for post-war T-shirts.
And yes, Leonid Ilyich did not receive stars in the war.
So for reference years of awards:
Hero of Socialist Labor
-1961
Hero of the Soviet Union
-1966
-1976
-1978
-1981

[papas-57]

`` No need to rinse Brezhnev, he went through the war and got a Hero of the USSR in the war. '' You seem to be a great lover of dear Leonid Ilyich's works of fiction such as "Small Land", "Revival", and "Celina" about the heroic deeds of the General Secretary. It's time to know that the books were not written by him, but by a group of professional journalists on the instructions of the Politburo from his memoirs. And Brezhnev could recall anything, what was and what was not. Moreover, when the first book came out, Brezhnev had already given three Stars of the Hero.

[Yarik]

And I thought it was the president. "Tsar" ... is it spelled out somewhere?

[stas]

So for such a Hero is also not supposed to, but they give.
Ask anyone - who is the king in Russia, everyone will answer correctly.
The power in Russia belongs to the people, as it is written, but it is only on paper.
But in life, everything belongs to the king.
Really the king did not think, and how his decree on rewarding people will appreciate.
And this is not interesting to him.
After tomorrow he will spend the day of questions and answers, answer the necessary questions, and his rating is again 86%, and less than 50% come to the polls.
Because it’s useless to vote, they’ll write correctly anyway.

[although]

Quote: stas

So for such a Hero is also not supposed to, but they give.
Ask anyone - who is the king in Russia, everyone will answer correctly.
The power in Russia belongs to the people, as it is written, but it is only on paper.
But in life, everything belongs to the king.
Really the king did not think, and how his decree on rewarding people will appreciate.
And this is not interesting to him.
After tomorrow he will spend the day of questions and answers, answer the necessary questions, and his rating is again 86%, and less than 50% come to the polls.
Because it’s useless to vote, they’ll write correctly anyway.

return the cons!

[stas]

Return cons elementary.
You go to the mirror, take a marker and draw on who is standing in front of the mirror, how many hosh and where is the hosh.
Not enough space, turn your back.
Tired, take a break and start again in the morning.
Flag and marker in hands and forward.

[jetfors_84]

I also think that in this way they devalue the title of Hero of Russia. Who is there that prompts Putin.
The ambassador died tragically, but not heroically.

[zloybond]

It's right. ridiculous death. nothing heroic. full deprivation of service at the expense of the state. He didn’t shoot back from anyone. It did not cause fire on itself. He did not stop the horse; he did not enter the hut. So ..... provide the widow ..... Nonsense.

[bastard]

Quote: stas

By status, the Hero of Russia is appropriated for personal courage, and not for death at the hands of a terrorist.

Quote: stas

So the status of the Hero of Russia is only lowered.
Nothing wrong with the deceased ambassador to Turkey, but Putin is hard to understand.
This should not be done, but the king sees his own.

Quote: 3danimal

I believe that such a practice devalues ​​this award. The Star of the Hero turns into a pleasant gift for a person or a comforting one for relatives.

I agree! I apologize for copying Wikipedia.
In the USSR, from 1934 to 1991, 12776 people were awarded the Golden Star of a Hero of the Soviet Union.
Among the first - polar explorers, for the salvation of Chelyuskinites. It was a feat for that time, comparable, perhaps, with a flight into space.
By the beginning of 1941, the title of Hero of the Soviet Union received 626 people, including three women and five twice Heroes.
The overwhelming majority of Heroes of the Soviet Union appeared during the Great Patriotic War: 91,2% of the total number of awarded persons. For the exploits committed during the years of World War II, 11 thousand 657 people were awarded a high rank (3051 of them posthumously), including 108 twice (8 of them posthumously). Among the Heroes of the Soviet Union, participants in the Great Patriotic War - 90 women (49 of them posthumously).
All the rest - before or after the Great Patriotic War.

I will finish the topic. Turkey now, as well as almost the whole world today, is a very hot spot. The ambassador to Turkey today is a position, as it were, very delicate and requires remarkable abilities and intelligence from a person, but for the death due to shots in the back, I'm sorry, maybe I'm not quite right to give such a high reward. . .
Of course, Andrei Gennadievich for hard labor was worthy of a government award during his lifetime, so why his work was not appreciated while he was alive! By the way, he was awarded the Order of St. Seraphim of Sarov III degree.

[Reserve officer]

Let's remember Mayakovsky. Just in time.

“In our veins -
blood, not water.
We are going
through the revolving bark
so that
dying
incarnate
to steamboats
in lines
and other long things. "
I apologize in advance if I hurt someone. But I believe that the rewarding of the deceased ambassador with a Hero star is a discredit of this high rank. There is a status of this order - it is flagrantly violated. Even during World War II, many representations for the title of Hero did not find understanding among the country's leadership. And there, indeed, there was something to reward.
If, like Mayakovsky, a ship or street in his hometown was named after Karlov, everyone would understand correctly. And so ... For death from a shot in the back ...

[Karaul73]

And what, when they were very tense? Barmalei operate under their noses, capture cities (or individual quarters, according to the Moscow Region), and only victorious reports are in the press.

[Maz]

Then all those who died in NordOst also need to be conferred the title of the hero of Russia, because they went to the opera and ran into a terrorist attack.

[Angara]

Let me remind you about the plane brought down by Ukrainians over the Black Sea

[Maz]

A feat is a valiant action important to many people; a heroic act committed in difficult conditions.

[Luga]

Quote: hirurg

Shitty work! Relaxed!
It looks like making amends.

This is a war, dear. Not long ago, I quoted Prince Daniil of Galitsky’s speech about war and casualties. I can not resist repeating the quote again, it hurts so much I like it.
"What are you afraid of? Do you not know that there is no war without the fallen, the dead? Do you not know that you came naturally to the warriors, and not to women? If the husband is killed in battle, then what miracle is there? Others?" But houses also die without glory, but these died with glory! Strengthen your hearts and take down your weapons against your enemies. "
This is not smoothing. This is the glory of the warrior who died in battle.

[Homo]

Quote: hirurg

Oh Vladimir Vladimirovich! If the title could bring a person back. Father to children. Grandfather, grandchildren ... Well, really not count in advance.

What stupid thing? And again, a lot of advantages under this stupidity. Are you suggesting that each diplomat in the security company be assigned and put in an armored capsule? Diplomatic workers all over the world are protected by international standards and that’s it! How can a terrorist attack be calculated? If you know how to protect 100% write to the President, your advice will be adopted. And if not, don’t shake the air. And the article on awarding, on recognition of merit, that the State remembers those who gave their lives for his benefit!

[Maz]

In the battle with Russian citizens abroad? - I watched more than once. Or in a battle with photocopiers, faxes and printers at the consulate? Or with cutlery not receptions? Fighter of diplomatic events and libraries

[Koshak]

Quote: hirurg

Oh Vladimir Vladimirovich! If the title could bring a person back. Father to children. Grandfather, grandchildren ... Well, really not count in advance.
Somehow .... it turns out that with our plane, that with Palmyra, now the ambassador ...
How is it that no one was behind him ..? ..
Shitty work! Relaxed!
It looks like making amends.

What do you suggest, what to calculate? Maybe just break off diplomatic relations? How do you, such a super-clever "diplomat", propose to build our relations with the Turks? From the kitchen stool to the laptop, everyone like you is smart, skillful, all-knowing. Why ...... are you still running the state?

[hirurg]

Wow, I’m thinking about your proposal.))) I’ll just wash my blood off.
Come to my sofa!
Children, you are still unreasonable.

[Revolver]

And what is heroism then? Another thing is that the Turks should not get off with apologies. When Ambassador Griboyedov was killed in Iran, the Shah sent to Nicholas I to beg forgiveness for his grandson with gifts, including the Shah diamond of 90 carats. You should get nothing less from the Turks. And they also owe the pilot for the SU-24.

[Maz]

looks like stupid

[Res_Ullus]

Here is your nickname - SURGEON! And if you are not a blablab, but actually a surgeon, then you must understand that GDP is not responsible for everything! If you start blaming surgeons for the death of each patient, surgeons will not find it (Just look for the extreme!
And so, too, you can start: "If only the title (SERVED SURGEON) could return a person back. Father to children. Grandfather to grandchildren ... Well, really not to calculate in advance."
Oh ...

[Comrade Glebov]

Quote: hirurg

Shitty work! Relaxed!

Unfortunately, I can see that I didn't even bother to relax. In the high-risk zone, in Turkey, where there is a terrorist attack on a terrorist attack, the ambassador walks without sufficient protection, and in quiet Kyrgyzstan, former ambassador Vlasov did not even go to the toilet without a battalion of "security". There are no complaints about Lavrov, but on the whole the Foreign Ministry is working ... well, "unsatisfactory" at best.

[kenig1]

I understand everything practically, but by what principle is the ranking?

[Ingvar 72]

For visiting the exhibition of contemporary art!
P.S. It’s a pity for a man, it’s doubly insulting for a state man, but what does heroism mean?

[Volodin]

Quote: Ingvar 72

For visiting the exhibition of contemporary art!

Cynicism in your comments rolls over

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Volodin

Quote: Ingvar 72

For visiting the exhibition of contemporary art!

Cynicism in your comments rolls over

the cynicism of power is off scale. highest award for ... what? I personally do not understand. I quote: "The title" Hero of Russia "is the highest title that is awarded for services to the state and the people, if they were associated with the performance of a heroic deed."

[Volodin]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

cynicism of power, rolls over. the highest reward for ... what?

I'm not going to discuss "why". I'm talking about the cynicism of the comment, and even with emoticons. If this is a reason to scoff, then I certainly cannot share this position.

[kenig1]

Smiley means gesture, I don’t understand.

[Volodin]

Is that the one at the top?

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Volodin

If this is an excuse to gnaw, then I certainly can’t share such a position.

Alexey, no one will scoff, but this is nonsense, giving "Hero" for ... for what? My grandfather, in the Second World War, (in the feat of the people, there is) on KV, destroyed 3 anti-tank guns, one self-propelled gun, 20 Fritzes, pulled out 2 of our stuck tanks under fire in tow, all in one battle, the order earned ... the museum was fucking ...

[Volodin]

Andrey Yurich, you are not scoffing, but the person to whose comment I answered is scoffing. This outraged me. If here - on our website - certain "comrades" allow themselves such mockery, then what do we expect from the Western media after that? ..

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Volodin

Andrei Yurich, you are not gibbering, but the person to whose comment I replied is gibberish. This outraged

the beginning of the comment for "Ingvar72" does not look decent ...

[stas]

In vain you are so.
Justice and reasonableness should always be.
But the king, as always, is his everything, another according to the law.
Here is more about justice, but it is not respected in Russia.

[gladcu2]

Volodin

Cynicism, accusations of racism are confused with realism.

Then there are prosecutors who exacerbate the situation, increasing accusations.

Rate your rating.

[Ivan Nevelskoy]

Volodin, you that do not understand anything?

[Maz]

Yah? What regiment did you serve yourself in? I am on the border with Iran. Frontier post. The machine gun did not let go of the hands for the entire service. And This one in the chairs was served. There is a difference?

[Andrey Yuryevich]

a reward for what such a feat? killed in the back, in a museum, sorry for the man, but for what "Hero"? another "inflection" at the GDP. the value of the award is reduced.

[rasputin17]

Quote: Ingvar 72

For visiting the exhibition of contemporary art!
P.S. It’s a pity for a man, it’s doubly insulting for a state man, but what does heroism mean?

Quite understandable! He died doing his duty! He died while remaining true to his oath and honor! What are the questions here? You probably wanted to give him a "hero" for the fact that he rushed to the gang of militants with a bunch of grenades ??? You dear, put yourself in his place! And how good it will be for YOU after death from all these titles and honors! Believe it will be purple, but here's your loved ones help from the state!

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: rasputin17

It’s quite clear! He died doing his duty! He died while remaining faithful to his oath and honor! What questions are there?

hundreds of people die daily, doing their duty, in factories, in mines, in hell in the woods, even in schools! awards, where ???

[rasputin17]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

Quote: rasputin17

It’s quite clear! He died doing his duty! He died while remaining faithful to his oath and honor! What questions are there?

hundreds of people die daily, doing their duty, in factories, in mines, in hell in the woods, even in schools! awards, where ???

Everything is simple! And why is their feat not shown in the same way on all channels and not discussed at least here?
In general, with regards to the feat

Every day they die, doing their duty, in factories, in mines, in the hell in the woods, even in schools!

This is a routine! for me, a feat to go into the entrance of his mother-in-law !!! Since the house has been recognized as emergency for ten years and its residents are subject to resettlement! Believe the feat in our life, place every day !!! And since they voiced it, you get it! But no, it’s possible to squeeze it as a routine and a daily struggle not for life but for survival !!

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: rasputin17

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

Quote: rasputin17

It’s quite clear! He died doing his duty! He died while remaining faithful to his oath and honor! What questions are there?

hundreds of people die daily, doing their duty, in factories, in mines, in hell in the woods, even in schools! awards, where ???

Everything is simple! And why is their feat not shown in the same way on all channels and not discussed at least here?
In general, with regards to the feat

Every day they die, doing their duty, in factories, in mines, in the hell in the woods, even in schools!

This is a routine! for me, a feat to go into the entrance of his mother-in-law !!! Since the house has been recognized as emergency for ten years and its residents are subject to resettlement! Believe the feat in our life, place every day !!! And since they voiced it, you get it! But no, it’s possible to squeeze it as a routine and a daily struggle not for life but for survival !!

write GDP-will give "hero" ...

[rasputin17]

Oh if !! For me, the reward is not to go there !!!

[kenig1]

Lots of text. Why was Marine Andrei Timoshenkov at the cost of his life who stopped the terrorists' car filled with explosives was given the Order of Courage? Realize his feat and reward, and do not be hysterical.

[zoolu300]

Yes, for a bunch of grenades the Hero should be given, otherwise everything will come to the situation "walked down the street, hit with a brick, get a Hero." Pancake insanity!

[Maz]

apparently fat, colonels and lieutenant colonels with sergeants in Syria are thin, fat does not grow under fire.

[Smoked]

Well, now the families of the other ambassadors can regularly light a candle for the repose of the soul of Andrei Gennadievich, whose death gave their families normal protection.

[sgazeev]

The Turkish authorities forbade the Russian Foreign Intelligence Service to involve its soldiers to guard the embassy staff in Ankara, Rosbalt reports.

The journalists talked with a member of the Zaslon special detachment (the 7th department of the SVR Center for Internal Security), which protects Russian diplomatic missions in many countries of the world. According to the interlocutor, who agreed to be interviewed on condition of anonymity, the first threats to Russian diplomats in Turkey began to come over 10 years ago.

"At this time, many militants who fought in the North Caucasus arrived in Turkey for rest and treatment. They posed a significant danger. Then they were joined by representatives of various terrorist and extremist organizations and sympathizers," he said.
The special forces soldier noted that all this time the Turkish side did not give the appropriate permission, and only after the assassination of Russian Ambassador Andrei Karlov did they urgently return to negotiations. In the near future, an order to be sent to Turkey is awaiting at Zaslon.

[maxim1987]

you can blame me. But for what? Participants in the Tajik events didn’t even recognize UBDs who actually fought, and that’s just a murder

[kit-kat]

No one disputes the importance of the work carried out by the diplomat, but damn it! Again the Hero for being killed during execution? I do not understand. I refuse to understand.

[Holoy]

Here I do not Agree! With all due respect to Andrei Karlov!

Such are the Orders of Assignment Depreciate Title of Hero of Russia! Hundreds and even thousands of people no less deserved each in their own direction, proceeding from logic, also had to be awarded the title of Hero of Russia to us from terrorist attacks? Of course not! Like Andrei Karlov! Because the Title of the Hero of Russia, as I understand it, should be assigned in exceptional cases, even in isolated cases, because Heroism is not so frequent!

Well, the death of people, our people from terrorist attacks is in most cases the fault of the state. And in this case, the award looks like atonement, very inappropriate ...

[Scoun]

Quote: Holoy

Such here are the Orders on Assignment Depreciate the Title of Hero of Russia! Hundreds and even thousands of no less well-deserved people died from terrorist attacks.

Quote: maximNNX

you can blame me. But for what? To the participants of the Tajik events that really fought

Quote: kit-kat

Again the Hero for being killed during execution? I do not understand. I refuse to understand.

Guys, if you all refuse to understand, then at least do not wring your hands in sadness that you did not get.
You can imagine, admit that it was he who to some extent kept the situation in a "cold" channel after the Turks shot down our Bomber, and you can imagine that he might have saved thousands of unnecessary deaths, but you can imagine that he could in a year or two just get the Order of Merit to the Fatherland?
First you need to think, even if you were not informed about what kind of backstage negotiations he was conducting.
IMHA.
If he did not have merit, he would be given for Courage and all.

[Holoy]

You need to think! The title of Hero of Russia is Depreciated! The state is essentially paying off its citizens ... with the Stars of a Hero ... Horror is complete!

There are many other Honored Awards for a Good Job! Hero Star for Heroism must be Appropriated !!!

[kit-kat]

A larger font must be chosen.
It was his job. Do not manipulate us by inserting the favorite "put yourself in his place." He was doing his job. Like many thousands of ordinary people, officers and soldiers. And such awards, as I have already written many times, only devalue the high title of the Hero.

[Scoun]

Quote: kit-kat

A larger font must be chosen.

Are you offended? )))

Quote: kit-kat

Do not manipulate us by inserting the favorite "put yourself in his place." He was doing his job.

Quote: Holoy

The title of Hero of Russia is Depreciated!

But what did they give the Hero of Labor to people for? .... oh yes, the Hero of Labor was only given posthumously ... You have the standard standard for evaluating Heroism ... dug up a grenade with your chest - ogo Courage. brave but stupid, yeah escorted the convoy and set himself up to meet a car that flew into the oncoming car — on! no luck, get Courage.
Once again, a person may have claimed for example the Order of the Holy Apostle Andrew the First-Called

- The highest state award of the Russian Federation.

The Order is awarded to outstanding statesmen and public figures and other citizens of the Russian Federation for exceptional merits that contribute to the prosperity, greatness and glory of Russia.

but he did not live and died at his post where he deserved - exceptional Merits contributing to the prosperity, greatness and glory of Russia. Everything and pouring from empty to empty at least a dirty thing, a person has not even been buried yet, but you have already earned it here; you have not earned the bones.

Quote: cunning

The feat is that in a warring country, which is a member of NATO, constantly moving its troops to our borders, a country that used weapons against our warriors acting on a legal basis, a country that has raided our land for centuries and is now not friendly, fulfilled his duty, doing everything to maintain a state of peace between our countries. Who can do it - fail!

Now half of the couch experts warriors will be released.

[Holoy]

Quote: Scoun

Now half of the couch experts warriors will be released.

Here I am ashamed that Such As You Try to represent, to protect the Power from Your People, use Such Quotes! Respected!!! Sofa Experts are Our People too! And he has the right to express his opinion! Or no longer has? Maybe Raikin is really right ??? Only here I am Russian and nobody is waiting for me anywhere! Russia is my homeland! I do not want my authorities to hold me for a fool !!! My opinion here is shared by many, if not most! And you are trying to reduce everything to our Stupidity. Passed by!

Quote: Scoun

But what did they give the Hero of Labor to people for? .... oh yes, the Hero of Labor was only given posthumously ... You have the standard standard for evaluating Heroism ... dug up a grenade with your chest - ogo Courage. brave but stupid, yeah escorted the convoy and set himself up to meet a car that flew into the oncoming car — on! no luck, get Courage.
Once again, a person may have claimed for example the Order of the Holy Apostle Andrew the First-Called

Some arguments you have Misty!
1. As part of the people, I see that it looks stupid
2. As part of the people, I see that it looks like a reward for killing him
3. I as part of the people see what it looks like an attempt to pay off for the mistakes of the State
Or do you give a shit about me? If so, then what kind of fool do you keep me?

And here it is! There is this ... Regulation on the title of Hero of the Russian Federation
(approved by the Law of the Russian Federation of March 20, 1992 N 2553-I)
1. The title of Hero of the Russian Federation is awarded for services to the state and people associated with the achievement of a heroic feat.

Where is the perfect Feat at the Moment of Doom here? If this Feat was Perfecton before, then why not Awarded During Life ...

[Cat man null]

Quote: Holoy

2. As part of the people, I see that it looks like a reward for being killed

 Lt. Col. Peshkov, shot down by the Turks, received the Hero of Russia posthumously

http://izvestia.ru/news/597127

- find three differences
- if you find, answer, plz

[Holoy]

You expand the topic ... Pawns ... this is a separate conversation ...
My position is this: The title of the Hero of Russia, as I understand it, should be assigned in exceptional cases, even in isolated ones, for Heroism is not so frequent a manifestation!

[Cat man null]

Quote: Holoy

Peshkov ... this is a separate conversation ...

- what is this "separate"?
- The man was also at work, right?
- a man was killed for this work, right?
- where, to the ravens, is the difference?

And how much do you know that such an ambassador specifically did that they banged him for it, eh?

[Holoy]

My position is not clear to you? What makes you think that I approve the Order on Assigning the Title of Hero to Peshkov? In the Wars, many pilots were shot down, but they did not represent the rank ...Gastelo ... Yes! Made a feat! I'm For Gastelo !!!

[Cat man null]

Quote: Holoy

Gastelo ... Yes! Made a feat! I'm For Gastelo !!!

- don’t make noise like that, I hear well
- an illegal scout, who was given a Hero upon leaving "from there," also "did not deserve" him?
- and the fact that you are not aware of something does not mean that this "something" does not exist. I repeat:

Quote: Cat Man Null

how much do you know that such an ambassador specifically did that they banged him for it, eh?

[Holoy]

Quote: Cat Man Null

- an illegal scout, who was given a Hero upon leaving "from there," also "did not deserve" him?

Again you hold me for a fool! Illegals are awarded between Other Secret Orders ... Don’t Put Everything Into a Heap! Bye...

[Comrade Glebov]

But donating the sons of the oligarchs and simply guarded bureaucrats with state awards does not bother anyone? 25 to the summer milk-bearer son, Sechin gave the order for "many years of work." What can I say. I have nothing against the deceased, blessed memory of him, but our awards are handed out a handful and to anyone.

[eleronn]

Hero of Russia ?! FOR WHAT????!!!!

[Holoy]

Brezhnev’s Times Come Back, Where awards Turned into Badges ...

[multiply]

MUCH !!!

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

with all due respect, it’s not right for the deceased and for the President
there are other awards more suitable by statute

[cannabis]

The representative of a huge nuclear power was killed in the rank of minister and in a rank equal to the Minister of Foreign Affairs! How could this be allowed after the assassination of Tsar Alexander, the assassination of Prime Minister Stolypin, the assassination attempt on the presidential commission of Lenin, the assassination of Stalin, the assassination of Kennedy? Our special forces are dropping the biofield to the ground, but we could not recognize the killer who touched the cartoon five times under the hollow. We have a guard in each store, and the ambassador of the great people was not guarded and did not save.

[Shirts]

Once again, I do not understand the actions of our president.
Yes, he died. Yes, in the line of duty. Yes, it’s a pity, you see, there was a good man.
But why the HERO of RUSSIA?!?!?!
Under these three criteria dohreniliard people fit! And what, give all the Hero ?!
And after all, this was already slipping. Our pilots that were shot down by the Turks were also awarded. But what was their feat? The fact that they let themselves be knocked down, but they were knocked down? The fact that they performed a combat mission? But there are thousands of military personnel, including the same pilots performing a combat mission. But they were not shot down and, therefore, they are not Heroes. The medical girls who died in Syria also became Heroes only because they came under fire and they died. And those who remained alive cowards or what?
But this is obvious nonsense.
It is necessary to establish some kind of medal or commemorative badge, handed over to the relatives of the deceased at the time of death at the post. Then it will be fair. And awards, especially such as the Hero of Russia, will not depreciate.

[cannabis]

Quote: shirt

Hero of Russia will not depreciate.

The gold medal is not a pity. The main thing is that people in the country do not depreciate. In essence, a man of not a "bad field", not a dashing company commander, but an official loyal to his duty died like a soldier, heroically, because he knew better than anyone the people in which he lived and represented the interests of his Motherland.

[Shirts]

To be awarded the title of Hero of Russia, you need to commit a heroic act. Initially, it was conceived, and so it is in the Regulation on the Hero. That is, the direct justification for the assignment of such a title should be some specific heroic deed, and not that "a good man". I am embarrassed to ask what specific heroic act Comrade. Karlov? Went to the opening of a cultural exhibition? Did you give a speech there?

[cannabis]

Quote: shirt

what specific heroic act did Comrade Karlov?

The feat is that in a warring country, which is a member of NATO, constantly moving its troops to our borders, a country that used weapons against our warriors acting on a legal basis, a country that has raided our land for centuries and is now not friendly, fulfilled his duty, doing everything to maintain a state of peace between our countries. Who can do it - fail!

[Shirts]

To the criteria that you, dear, have described, all and every single employee of our embassy and other diplomatic and other state institutions in Turkey, as well as in the USA, Germany, England and other partner states, are also suitable. Everyone on the Hero? Yes, with this approach, the stars of the Heroes will be in the stalls of Soyuzpechat for 10 rubles. sell apiece.
And you still did not answer my question: What SPECIFIC heroic act did Comrade. Karlov?

[cannabis]

Quote: shirt

What a SPECIFIC heroic act

A specific feat is performed by ordinary and junior officers. Senior officers are awarded for the courage to break the order and achieve victory. Generals are awarded for wisdom and endurance. Whatever one may say, our ambassador is a civilian general equal in rank to the Minister of Defense. Is this enough to substantiate my opinion?

[Ivan Nevelskoy]

Kaeoi hero and such a reward! The title of the hero has depreciated.

[Shirts]

Regulation on the title of Hero of the Russian Federation
(approved by the Law of the Russian Federation of March 20, 1992 N 2553-I)
1. The title of Hero of the Russian Federation is awarded for services to the state and people associated with the achievement of a heroic feat.

All the same, I recommend arguing more reasonably. Neither in the text of the law, nor in the text of the provision there are no indications of differences in awards depending on the rank or position. But there is an indication of the achievement of a heroic feat.
So it’s very obvious that our President has violated the Law. Moreover, I believe that intentionally. I could not know in what cases the title is assigned by law.

[cannabis]

Quote: shirt

Our President has violated the Law.

The person allowed to solve the range of issues decided by the president can challenge the actions of the president. As I understand it, you are not allowed to be among these people, which means that you have the right only to express your opinion. Here and now. But I do not recommend you interfering in the decisions of the president.

[Cat man null]

Quote: shirt

So it’s very obvious that our President violated the Law. Moreover, I believe that intentionally

- to read you, of course, learned
- think - until it’s really getting
- Tell me, please, what specific four heroic feats did L.I. Brezhnev, for example?
- and in general, if protecting the interests of the Russian Federation in a very unfriendly country (and they killed for it, don’t hesitate) is not a feat, then I am a telephone booth ...

Somehow

[Shirts]

Yes, I do not dispute the actions of the President. I don’t have such powers, and this is fraught.
I am just expressing my opinion (I note - reasoned).
The mention of the previous speaker about Brezhnev, in my opinion, is very revealing. I, too, have such associations. Then, too, state awards and titles were also awarded, for example, for a birthday. Now they are giving it on the day of death (no matter how blasphemous it may sound, but it is true). But at such a pace it will soon reach birthdays.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Cat Man Null

- and in general, if protecting the interests of the Russian Federation in a very unfriendly country (and they killed for it, don’t hesitate) is not a feat, then I am a telephone booth ...

and how many more of our diplomats, in unfriendly countries? and? phone station? all "hero" to give?

[Cat man null]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

to give all the "hero"?

- you will be the president - you will decide who and what to "give"
- for now, sit where you sit ...

[Comrade Glebov]

Quote: Cat Man Null

- you will be the president - you will decide who and what to "give"
- for now, sit where you sit ...

And why are you insulting a person, comrade junior elevator? Your president really made a mistake, as many have pointed out to you using specific arguments. One can argue over who is supposed to discuss the president's decisions and who is not, but these actions will have very real negative consequences. There are many people who really deserve the title of Hero for their actions, and not because they were killed, but they somehow do not remember. And if for me (and I think, not only for me) the title of Hero of the Soviet Union is not an empty phrase and evokes sacred awe and respect, then the title of Hero of Russia, thanks to the actions of the VVP, is devalued and those who DESERVE it with blood and then earned , will be compared with those to whom it was "hung for so".

[Karaul73]

Yes, everything is simple - the hero after the death, that the pilots, that the ambassador - because the first is the loss. That's all. For the image you need. Like, we remember, revenge, etc. according to the text.

[BIGLESHIY]

Of course, I understand everything, Andrei Karlov was a respected person, but "Hero's Star" is, in my opinion, an exaggeration.
I just want to give the GDPR a statute to read. The awarding of the "Hero's Star" not by statute only devalues ​​the award itself.
PSAlexey Efentiev (Gyurze) when will they give the Star? Maybe it's time to collect signatures?

[Alekspel]

Hero Karlov was given not in vain. I think he and his superiors assumed that he could be comprehended, otherwise they serve in our Foreign Ministry. I think the Ministry of Foreign Affairs is a very complicated thing in the modern world, not like under Brezhnev, when all the sons of cones were torn there in order to drag import and resell. Now it’s not that you imagine the work of the ambassador in Syria, or even in Germany, where at any moment you can be blown up or shot. This is even more difficult than that of the military, they at least know what they have to do, and are armed, and then he went out to the microphone and got a bullet! And you won’t put on a bulletproof vest, they will laugh! So Karlov Hero! Without a doubt. Peace be upon him and the earth rest in peace. I bow my head.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Alekspel

not like under Brezhnev,

Actually, Karlov began working as an ambassador under Brezhnev.

[couch but smart general]

for merits to the fatherland he had enough

[Holoy]

It seems that our Leaders are already inadequate, torn away from the People, Living in Their Enclosed Space ... they have their own understanding of the situation, you see ...
Sucks all this will end in the end ...

You can’t stay with the Authority for so long ...

[Comrade Glebov]

It sounds painful, but I can not disagree with you. If this goes on, then we can all end badly.

[Reserve officer]

And if tomorrow Chubais or Sechin bang, will they also be given the star of the Hero?
Awarding Karlov’s Star with a Hero is an insult to the memory of Heroes. Something reminiscent of rewarding three random jerks with the last stars of the Hero of the USSR.

[vladimirvn]

Yes. The reaction is certainly powerful. Maybe let's not rush with the estimates. We don’t know much. And the comrade last three years worked as an ambassador in Turkey. And what events have occurred there over the past three years?

[malik]

I feel sorry for the ambassador, but a Hero, for what?

[Fiber forehead]

"The Turkish authorities forbade ....." And who prevented the proper organization of the ambassador's security service? This moral first rushed about behind his back for a long time, gaining "courage" to shoot in the back, should have long been twisted or eliminated. As always, every feat, someone's jamb? Or a crime?

[Omsk]

Quote: cunning

Quote: shirt

what specific heroic act did Comrade Karlov?

The feat is that in a warring country, which is a member of NATO, constantly moving its troops to our borders, a country that used weapons against our warriors acting on a legal basis, a country that has raided our land for centuries and is now not friendly, fulfilled his duty, doing everything to maintain a state of peace between our countries. Who can do it - fail!

why then do not reward our oil workers working in hot spots? and as for whom it is possible, he studied for it ... but as for the quality of his work as ambassador, .. well, I don’t know. The fact that Turkey is periodically strained, is friends with the Kurds, they are terrorists, numerous questions about Russian tourists ... somehow it does not attract to perfect work. embassies generally ceased to fulfill what they were intended to defend the interests of their homeland. To uphold, not represent, is what should be the main thing.

[Comrade Glebov]

Quote: Omich

embassies generally ceased to fulfill what they were intended to defend the interests of their homeland

Plus, they stopped a long time ago.

[Sergey Ui]

Forgive me, but for what merits the Hero of Russia. What a feat he accomplished.!? For services to the fatherland is possible, but there is no heroism

[Sergey Ui]

Here’s Alexander Prokhorenko’s hero, about whom it’s necessary to shoot films of Mikhalkov and not go to Yeltsin centers

[Maz]

Another superhero would be appropriated. What feat did he accomplish in battle? Fat D-Jobnik from the embassy, ​​linguist and leader. Let Ryzhkov also assign the hero and Chubais, which is already there. Colonel and lieutenant colonel and warrant officer and senior sergeant who were not assigned? Did the peasants lay their heads in battle? And this K is in an art gallery, well, at least not at the presentation of a ballet or an opera - "A Life for the Tsar". devalued the title. SHAME. And we are fighting for this, this kind of justice? I look at these faces in Israel at the consulate every year, we are ordinary citizens for them not people, they look at us with our human problems as the poor who prevent them from living cool abroad. And how they treat us at the consulate is just wildness.

[Alexander S.]

And how would a stink get such a medal? AND?

[Pamir48]

return the cons. reading nonsense and writing a comment on it is like talking to a mentally retarded

[user3970]

Regarding the Hero ... In the USSR, the status of obtaining the title of Hero was clearly spelled out. 10 personally shot down enemy aircraft, 5 knocked out tanks, 10 sorties on a YES bomber, 100 killed by a sniper (although a sniper Pavlyuchenko could have been a Hero three times), and Pokryshkin and Kozhedub each have 5 stars (conventionally) ... You see, people, GDP While serving in Dresden, he was not blessed by the state of the USSR with awards, having received for the entire service the miserable, lowest in status Order of Friendship of Peoples. And that's it! Apparently, the resentment for the unreceived awards remained on a subconscious level. Hence the discreditation of trinkets. By the way, although Stalin had the Star of the Hero of the Union, he did not wear it, but the Star of the Hero of the Socialist. labor. Apparently he considered the last award more deserved. Zhukov had 4 stars and two orders of victory. I wonder why he got them? And Rokossovsky's "iconostasis" is poorer. But Moscow voted 64 times in honor of the victories of his troops. So that everything is relative.Well, what has arrived in the regiment of "heroes".

[Cat man null]

Quote: Comrade Glebov

Quote: Cat Man Null

- you will be the president - you will decide who and what to "give"
- for now, sit where you sit ...

And why do you insult a person, comrade junior sub-chief

- I do not like, you know, demagogues
- the definition of a four-star "general" as "nedomarshal", IMHO, is not an insult, but only a statement of fact

Quote: Comrade Glebov

Your president really made a mistake, many pointed this out to you using specific arguments

- argumentI would say
- tell me - the scout, conditionally Stirlitz, earned the title of Hero? And the pilot who was shot down, killed in Syria?
“And if they deserve it, why didn’t the ambassador deserve it?” Here try to answer, reasonedly

Quote: Comrade Glebov

There are many people who really deserve the title of Hero for their actions, and not because they were killed, but they somehow do not remember. ... the title of Hero of Russia, thanks to the actions of the VVP, is devalued and those who DESERVE it with blood and then earned it will be compared with those to whom it was "hung for so"

- according to your logic, Oleg Peshkov was also given the title of Hero. According to your logic, he did nothing specifically heroic. He was just killed while he was doing his job, no?
- and what exactly the ambassador "did" is known to the President and a little more people who are supposed to know it. You cannot know this, because you are not supposed to

That's all, actually while

[Grim Reaper]

Stirlitz deserved it. Pilot - I don’t know. I mean, I don’t know all the details of what happened. The title of Hero should be given for real actions - conscious, bordering on life-death. For other cases, you can (and should) rewards are still different from the hero. Code on one board put Matrosov and Karlova - as it does ....

[Cat man null]

Quote: Ecilop

Stirlitz deserved it. Pilot - I don’t know

- fully agree
- but there is no certainty that the Russian ambassador to Turkey now also does not work in a way Stirlitz. So, purely in combination
- I’m trying to push this very idea into the brains of opponents, judging by the reaction, without much success so far

[Grim Reaper]

Not quite correct comparison. Shtirlitsa, in case of failure, they were waiting for torture and execution. Ambassador - persona non grata. Somewhat different.

[Grim Reaper]

When a person, risking his life, saves absolutely unfamiliar people in a fire, it's just a medal. And that is not a fact. Exhhh ... what am I talking about? .....

[Reserve officer]

Mentioning the exploit of Matrosov is very helpful. Great example.
My grandfather - Art. Lieutenant Zamakhov Vasily Vasilievich - was the commander of a company in which Alexander Matrosov served. I grew up on this feat. Pioneers constantly came to our home and asked grandfather about all the details. Until 68. My grandfather died of military wounds.
By the way, he was introduced to the title of Hero when he in 41 with machine gun crew and one 45 battery held the crossing for three days. All died. He, half dead, was taken from an exploded bunker by our scouts, sent for language. Accidentally, his life was saved.
The submission to the Hero was rejected. Awarded in half a year the medal "For Military Merit".

[Grim Reaper]

You can even cover the floor with a mat
Giving gifts at random
Call Nasser our brother
But give a hero - stop it. (C) V.S.V.

My condolences to the loved ones of the deceased.

[Al. Peresvet]

This murderer that killed our Russian ambassador, had to be captured by the Russian alive. And he had to get everything out from him. Who prepared, helped. And most importantly, customers. And deal with all of them. And with customers.
For the Russian ambassador, accept condolences.

[viktor_ui]

I read the comments and somehow led me away from all this ... why: there is a skirmish between the opposing sides actually on the bones of the murdered ..., I understand the position of those who support the actions of senior officials in terms of rewarding the deceased, because I proceed from the consideration that we see the final fucking result in the form of the assassination of the ambassador to Turkey, who is mired in hostilities ... and this is the tip of the iceberg ... what is hidden under the surface in the plan of ALL BUSINESSES OF ANDREY KARLOVICH at his workplace in this extremely difficult time period - THERE IS A CLOSED TOPIC on which no one is obliged to report to all of us. 100% of all those present here on the resource a few days ago did not know about Andrei Karlovich - NOTHING AT ALL. But chichas with rapture we hammer on the keys from the clever muzzle. Well, and those who are against this HERO - I want to give you only one thought: you so much and convincingly "spoke" and did not bring a cart and a small cart of reasoned arguments that I personally had the opinion that if you suddenly found yourself in the place of Andrei Karlovich .... and lying on the floor instead of him, they would suddenly raise their heads and say NO STAR IS NECESSARY, FOR I AM NOT WORTHY, or WE IF GOOD (God forbid you all to be in his place).

[Grim Reaper]

I am not against rewarding people who died in execution. But she must be different. For courage. For devotion to the motherland. Like that. Otherwise, the title of the hero of the country turns into the devil of what. For what? Why did Sasha Nikitin, who blocked me at 87 behind the river and received a bullet, was not worthy? Why did Janis die on a patrol 11 years ago but did not let the scumbags hide? Why are they worse than the ambassador? Muzzle did not come out?

[Grim Reaper]

A skirmish takes place only between sofas and drill. Thanks to the article. Let a little but I saw who is hu.

[viktor_ui]

Ecilop - do not rush to conclusions in terms of marking xy is xy. On the resource, and so a lot of people hang out from the STATE RANGE, giving out on the mountain Old 80th level on any topic, while "seeing the battle from the outside."

[Alex Justice]

The Star of the Hero turns into a medal. What was Putin thinking? Getting old?
It is well known that a diplomat is an honorary pension. But officials decided that Diplomatic work is associated with increased risk, and therefore compensation is provided for in a special federal law. Among other things, he states that in the event of the death of a diplomat, his family is paid 180 salaries.!
How many Russian diplomats have died in the last 200 years? 2-3?
And how many miners and journalists died? Thousands! And what compensation do they have?

[Alex Justice]

Quote: Alekspel

Hero Karlov was given not in vain. I think he and his superiors assumed that he could be comprehended, otherwise they serve in our Foreign Ministry. I think the Ministry of Foreign Affairs is a very complicated thing in the modern world, not like under Brezhnev, when all the sons of cones were torn there in order to drag import and resell. Now it’s not that you imagine the work of the ambassador in Syria, or even in Germany, where at any moment you can be blown up or shot. This is even more difficult than that of the military, they at least know what they have to do, and are armed, and then he went out to the microphone and got a bullet !.

Well, and how many of our dead ambassadors - heroes over the past 100 years? I don’t remember a single thing.

[Normal ok]

For what? For the fact that he died ?! What is heroism here?