Azerbaijan agreed with Israel to purchase the "Iron Dome"

Azerbaijan to acquire the Iron Dome system for missile defense from Israel, reports Interfax-Azerbaijan report of the Minister of Defense Industry of the Republic of Yawar Jamalov.

“Such an agreement has been reached between the Ministry of Defense Industry of Azerbaijan and the relevant structure of Israel,” Jamalov told reporters.

The agency’s reference: “The Iron Dome is a tactical missile defense system designed to protect against unguided tactical missiles with a range from 4 to 70 kilometers. The system was developed by the Israeli company Rafael. Each battery can protect an area of ​​150 square kilometers. ”

Comments

[Finches]

Here's what I like about God's chosen people, their absolute pragmatism and cynicism in business - they’ll put some kind of Palestinian Hezbollah into any weapon if it brings any shekels .... Then they will erase it in the camp ... just dust using carpet bombing and then vparit again ...

[hirurg]

I'm afraid that for a more or less serious weapon, the Zherezny dome will turn into a holey drushlag.

[cniza]

The owner’s business was bought and bought, so they like it.

[Bayonet]

Quote: cniza

The owner’s business was bought and bought, so they like it.

Briefly and accurately, without any "leaky drushlags" and fantasies about Hezbollah.

[Finches]

Alexander, these are not fantasies - but harsh realities ...

[Kryvbas]

It is not designed to protect against massive volleys from Hurricanes and Tornadoes. Such things are covered from the air on the way.

[Turai]

Surgeon, do not be afraid, but check the data, and then you will see that the efficiency of the Dome is 85-90%.

[Maz]

Skoko, private, you say it costs one rocket bale iron? 50 bucks. The most for Baku. There is nowhere cheaper. Straight for nothing. And what will they shoot down with them? volley hail 000 pieces in the set point and a hundred times cheaper. Rollback, you need to look for a rollback. In their right mind nobody will buy this golden gamma.

[Zaurbek]

So it is designed to protect settlements from shelling by unguided shells ... We observed this in Donetsk, for example, when people are shot at. This is not an army system. It is stationary and tied to the terrain.

[Maz]

Turai (Hebrew טוראי) is the lowest military rank in the Israel Defense Forces.
Corresponds to the military rank of "ordinary". Etymologically derived from the word “tour” (Hebrew טור), which in Hebrew means “row”. Assigned to a draftee after completing the course of a young soldier, bringing him to the oath, and after enrolling him in military service. There are no insignia of military rank. Yeah, you say Turai? Well, well, that’s not aluf ... Modesty at least in what = then

[Arameev]

Quote: hirurg

I'm afraid that for a more or less serious weapon, the Zherezny dome will turn into a holey drushlag.

and I believe that Azerbaijan has a rare opportunity to combine Western technologies with Russian ones and, as a result, get a level of defense that cannot be achieved either by the West or by Russia. to add to the "dome" the Russian "Pantsir" or other modern anti-aircraft system using artillery - I think it will turn out cool.

[Kasym]

Cool, you can congratulate Azerbaijan! And on Grady there is an electronic warfare "Mercury" in Russia - there is a video of the work of this complex on the Internet. For a small country, this Iron Dome is great, but for large countries ...
But on the other hand, how much money does it cost? This conflict with the neighbor has already "eaten" so much that it is possible to rebuild the whole of Azerbaijan ... after all, there is no economic return - on the contrary, it will only "ask". And how much more will he eat? Isn't it too much? That Armenia, which is in the EAEU, which is not, is of little use due to the location of the country and the blockade. It's time for them to somehow "tie up" in an amicable way and decide with NK.

[xetai9977]

Dear Kasym, do you think we are happy to spend huge sums on military purposes? But I have to. And this will continue until the aggressor on our land.

[co-creator]

Quote: xetai9977

Dear Kasym, do you think we are happy to spend huge sums on military purposes? But I have to. And this will continue until the aggressor on our land.

Question without a catch from a Russian person. What do you think are the reasons for the defeat from the Armenians
ps Confrontation harms you all, although NG is your land without question.

[Finches]

The trouble is that this is not exactly their land ...

[xetai9977]

"A question without a trick from a Russian. What, in your opinion, are the reasons for the defeat from the Armenians."
Support for Russia. Alas, it is. In the early 90s, we did not have an army as such. But not yet evening. Time plays for us.

[APASUS]

Quote: xetai9977

"A question without a trick from a Russian. What, in your opinion, are the reasons for the defeat from the Armenians."
Support for Russia. Alas, it is.

I don’t know what purpose you pursue with this statement, why did you say that? If we take only open sources, it will be clear that there are Russians on both sides and not only Russians.

From the moment the hostilities began, both sides began to accuse each other of using mercenaries, which was often confirmed.

On the side of Azerbaijan, Afghan Mujahideen and Chechen mercenaries fought, including the famous warlords Shamil Basaev, Khattab and Salman Raduev. An Azerbaijani colonel, an Azerbaijani colonel who fought in Karabakh, said: “In these battles, about a hundred Chechen volunteers led by Shamil Basayev and Salman Raduev provided invaluable assistance. But they, due to heavy losses, were forced to leave the battlefield and leave. ” According to the former chief of staff of the Yerkrapah Union of Armenian Volunteers, Deputy Minister for Emergency Situations of Armenia, Major General Astvatsatur Petrosyan, in the summer of 1992, about 400 Chechen fighters led by Basayev fought on the side of the Azerbaijanis, moreover, “on July 3, 1992 during the liberation operation Karmravan village 120 Chechen fighters were captured. Many died. After which Shamil Basayev never returned to Karabakh. " Turkish, Russian, Iranian and, presumably, American instructors also acted in Azerbaijan.

[co-creator]

Quote: xetai9977

Support for Russia. Alas, it is. In the early 90s, we did not have an army as such. But not yet evening. Time plays for us.

So the USSR Airborne Forces fought on your side, and Russian pilots flew in airplanes this is well known. What kind of support are you talking about?

[Scorpio05]

Here we are talking about such support:
Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/russian/in_depth/newsid_
4682000 / 4682089.stm
Azerbaijani officer Zahid Niftaliev recalled how in February 1993, as a result of an attack by Armenians on the Globus height in the vicinity of Mardakert, he and his comrades were surrounded. They ran out of ammunition, they were threatened with imminent death:

“We had nothing to shoot back with. We would have to either die or surrender. A Russian tank with a Russian crew drove up. A guy climbed out of the tower and said:“ Go away, I won't kill you. ”The Russians let us leave and said:“ We don't want kill you. Just leave here. "They seized the territory and handed it over to the Armenians" (16).
Azerbaijani Ambassador to Moscow Hikmet Hajizade recalls that he was constantly forced to agree to a peace plan that would include the presence of Russian military observers.

“During the entire period of my work as an ambassador, I received three [draft] agreements. This began at the end of 1992. So, for example, they said: 'Here is an agreement - sign! Russian units will be deployed here. The war will temporarily end, and negotiations will begin. "And we answered them:" This can turn into Cyprus. "And they said:" Well, then the Armenian troops will take Kelbajar ... "(18)
Russian society Memorial on the participation of servicemen of the Russian 366th regiment in the capture of the Azerbaijani city of Khojaly (the second largest city after Shusha in Nagorno-Karabakh): http://www.memo.ru/hr/hotpoints/karabah/Hojaly/Ch
apter1.htm
The capture of the city ended with massacres and atrocities of Armenians over the peaceful Azerbaijani population and violence against women, children, the elderly and prisoners of war.
Here's another: A whole company of captured Russian (7 armies) in Karabakh who fought on the side of the Armenians: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pdEXO3UxNg
By the way, all captured Russian military personnel were transferred by Azerbaijan to the Russian side intact. Like this.
And here is Alexander Nevzorov regarding the Karabakh war and the participation of the Russian army in it. He says the Russian army fought on the Armenian side in Karabakh:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ll-Tg89wkFM

[Maz]

And you mean our Russian officers and warrant officers were not forced to fight for themselves, the officers didn’t take away officers, they didn’t shoot them at the walls of the barracks, they didn’t beat them publicly with sticks on the parade ground, they didn’t keep BBBBB hostage, ... the Baku angels with wings. Turkish litter

[Zaurbek]

and the Baku Combined Arms School, who taught? and on the Mi-24 and Su-25 who flew? Africans?

[garnik]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pdEXO3UxNg

At this address comes out cartoon Masyanya. No one denies the participation of Russian volunteers on the side of the Armenians, they fought for the truth and the cross. I repeat, volunteers, not an army unit the size of a regiment under the command of Shamanov, are on your side. In 1992, in turn, the Karabakh people distinguished themselves in Chechnya and Abkhazia, supporting Russia.

[Kasym]

It’s not the point who fought for whom. Who started? Armenians, these are our "observers" from the commission (I know one of them personally). And what do we have now? They've choked on NK. How can Armenians fully participate in the EAEU when they are blocked? Once the Armenians have started, then they have to end it - NK will sentence them. Otherwise, the Armenians will definitely not be able to drag this wagon train without support. They have now made the most attractive investment climate - no sense. And with normal relations, Azerbaijanis could become donors for them - otherwise, there is an outflow of the population.

[Zaurbek]

Mercury is designed for radio fuses, Hamas doesn't have them yet. And the Dome is for everything that flies. I think the Jews also thought of the analogue of "Mercury" ...

[Maz]

Yes, a rare opportunity to do stupidity is the most expensive thing in life. The main price - I’m sure a little in the tank - will not seem to anyone

[Vyazemsky partisan]

You just don’t lose from this dream, otherwise the Mecca of the world’s defense is direct. Do you really think that such a thing is possible without having your own systems ??? In overseas, then you know how they are fighting, or again, if only they would be smeared with the people and vparivat another Israeli slag ??? In general, on a nearby branch, people piss with boiling water and shout that the weapons of modern warfare are carts !!!!

[Wiskar]

Complete nonsense write

[hirurg]

Yeah, you’ve already shot down the drone as patriots, and the F-16 didn’t help.)))

[Wiskar]

Quote: hirurg

Yeah, you’ve already shot down the drone as patriots, and the F-16 didn’t help.)))

So what? Show how your C300s explode at the landfill upon departure?
There are problems, where without them.

By the way, a drone like Israeli, that Russia bought a license and produces.

[Maz]

Tell us how the Jews yell during the shelling of fear in a bomb shelter? How do the soldiers try to put another shell into the tank’s cannon while brandishing the tip of the second on the first capsule in the tower? How do you die at 3 km transitions to a shooting range in winter at a temperature of 20 degrees, how a platoon cannot start an electric generator with a shutter - deadbolts, how you turn tanks on a flat highway like a table, how technicians steal tools and spoil the plane before take-off to steal the pilot’s pilot kit, ... ... and so on, the Jews are one word

[Zaurbek]

And in your army nothing explodes? and self-propelled guns do not burn? The risk factor is everywhere ... Look, in Europe, an automated 30mm memory was shot by the personnel themselves during tests ...

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Wiskar

Complete nonsense write

A person has the right to make a mistake.

[Maz]

But he is not a Jew, he is chosen, special, circumcised, exceptional and therefore there is ten times the demand from him, and you are used to throwing everyone - it’s mean, petty and disgusting to stink of abomination. This is not good for the chosen ones. It is necessary to change the Jewish state

[Arameev]

Quote: Maz

But he is not a Jew, he is chosen, special, circumcised, exceptional and therefore there is ten times the demand from him, and you are used to throwing everyone - it’s mean, petty and disgusting to stink of abomination. This is not good for the chosen ones. It is necessary to change the Jewish state

listen, you don't want to go back. why are you torturing yourself with the Jewish neighborhood. I understand that the Jews lured you to Israel by force, but you can leave at any time. really and a couple of thousand dollars in your pocket? all the more so, in the Russian Federation you even have a "basket" type as a "returner" Really! I have an acquaintance at the Russian Embassy, ​​I can help.

[taypan]

As I understand you. We have a similar situation. Your fellow tribesmen also cry all the time. They don’t like Russia. They complain about anti-Semitism. They leave, they leave, but they still can’t leave.

[miru mir]

Well you give! Comparing a friendly state with a terrorist organization is, at least, stupid.

[hirurg]

What are your advisers in Syria doing, ahh?

[Finches]

Andrew, , they disinterestedly advise some Arabs to kill other Arabs ... God-pleasing business!

[kapitan92]

Quote: Finches

Andrew, , they disinterestedly advise some Arabs to kill other Arabs ... God-pleasing business!

They not only advise: ".... According to the authoritative edition of Jane's Defense Weekly, referring to an American government source - the American state trade organization Federal Business Opportunities (FBO), the Israel Defense Forces (Israeli armed forces - ed.), Operating from the territory of the occupied Golan Heights, also supplied weapons and ammunition to al-Qaeda operating in southern Syria, and provided logistical support to these militants. ".....
The author is Michel Khosudovsky, professor of economics at the University of Ottawa (Canada), founder and director of the Center for Research on Globalization [CRG], Montreal, Canada).

[Wiskar]

Quote: hirurg

What are your advisers in Syria doing, ahh?
Yet...

And where did you see Israeli advisers in Syria?

[hirurg]

Yes there are rumors:
David Shlomo Aram - Israel
But, by the way, we will wait for official confirmation, and then suddenly - stuffing.)))

[Wiskar]

Quote: hirurg

David Shlomo Aram - Israel
But, by the way, we will wait for official confirmation, and then suddenly - stuffing.)))

Another OBS

[Oden280]

Go on. read it. http://warfiles.ru/show-138831-specnaz-sirii-zahv
atil-bolee-130-oficerov-amerikanskoy-koalicii-va
leppo.html. And how many of them managed to be dumped and even more buried under the rubble alone Allah knows.

[Dekabrist]

And why if Shlomo, so immediately Israel?

[padded jacket]

Quote: Dekabrist

And why if Shlomo, so immediately Israel?

Yes indeed? There are many more people named Shlomo as well as David among Ukrainians

[Dekabrist]

Well, we do not pretend to be David.

[Bayonet]

Quote: Wiskar

And where did you see Israeli advisers in Syria?

Well, you never know what seems after a liter of drunk

[Do not care]

Israel has been working with Kurds, including Syrian ones, for a long time. In the role of advisers, there are usually retired special forces on private contracts. I know one myself. Well, Israel has nothing to do with the "barmaley"

[Maz]

Yeah, and in 2008, 135 Israeli advisers had nothing to do with Georgians, they just taught Georgians to kill Russian soldiers before attacking Tskhinval, and only angels of the Jewish world, inexperienced Jewish boys from Sayak Matkal. Private traders, yeah. Without the approval of Mossad, Shinbet and AMan, as well as in agreement with his big brother, not a single IDF special unit will be allowed to instruct abroad. Just like in any other country. Conclusion - the children climb to crap deliberately - therefore, it is necessary to cut them a bit, shoot them a bit, burn them a little, drown them, hang them on the territories of other Russia-friendly countries, Schaub was not used to. They won’t understand otherwise - this is the only way without warning. These wise guys quickly understand how fried it smells ..

[Arameev]

Quote: Maz

Yeah, and in 2008, 135 Israeli advisers had nothing to do with Georgians, they just taught Georgians to kill Russian soldiers before attacking Tskhinval, and only angels of the Jewish world, inexperienced Jewish boys from Sayak Matkal. Private traders, yeah. Without the approval of Mossad, Shinbet and AMan, as well as in agreement with his big brother, not a single IDF special unit will be allowed to instruct abroad. Just like in any other country. Conclusion - the children climb to crap deliberately - therefore, it is necessary to cut them a bit, shoot them a bit, burn them a little, drown them, hang them on the territories of other Russia-friendly countries, Schaub was not used to. They won’t understand otherwise - this is the only way without warning. These wise guys quickly understand how fried it smells ..

so 2008 no one denied the presence of Israeli advisers in Georgia initially.

[Kryvbas]

And, is this in the wake of that fake "strike with Caliber" on the "secret headquarters with foreign advisers"? Well, yes, how, how can :)))

[Maz]

So you drive evidence that you get anywhere. hollow holes

[MACCABI-TLV]

Quote: hirurg

What are your advisers in Syria doing, ahh?

okay, drive evidence, photo documents, you can in Arabic ... D, B

[Maz]

Cartridges are sold, as in a joke. a Jew rides a tank for a Palestinian falestine, he pounds the tank from Kalash and runs. And the TNC quietly so-so goes on and drives the Palestinian in a circle. The Arab runs out of ammunition, he falls to his knees and prays in front of the approaching merkava. The tank stops. The Arab in happiness - Allah helped. Then he climbs out Moshe and asks: SHO, Patrons are over, so he can sell it and run on. You are gracious pleasure, but we gesheft. Well, how much do you need?

[Maz]

On December 15, it was possible to find a bunker with high-ranking officers of the Western coalition in it, led by the United States. A list of 14 names was published, which leaked to the Syrian and Western media. Mutaz Kanoglu - Turkey
David Scott Wiener - USA
David Shlomo Aram - Israel :)
Muhammad Tamimi - Qatar
Muhammad Ahmad Assabian - Saudi
Abd al-Menham Fahd AlHaridj - Saudi Arabia
Islam Salam Ez-Zahran Al Hajlan - Saudi Arabia
Ahmed Ben Nawfil Al Darwich - Saudi Arabia
Muhamad Hassan As-Sabini - Saudi Arabia
Hamad Fahad Ad Dosri - Saudi Arabia
Amjad Qassem At-Tiraoui - Jordan
Kassem Saad Al-Shamri - Saudi Arabia
Ayman Kassem At-Tahalbi - Saudi Arabia
Mohamed Ash Shafini El Idrisi - Morocco :)

According to reports, the following persons were detained in Aleppo (except for the previously published list of 14 people):
American Officers - 22
British officers - 16
French officers- 21
Israeli officers - 7 Friendship kuda there
Turkish officers - 62

[Finches]

I mean, they sold a country professing Islam, which conflicts with a Christian country, and who sold it? Israel! A country that is a bone in the throat of the Islamic world, but business is business! Judaism is nevertheless closer to Islam than to Christianity!

[miru mir]

The politics of Israel are not determined by religion. At you with Iran beguiled. And Azerbaijan is a secular state, if I'm not mistaken.

[Finches]

Come on, comrade, sold and sold - I don’t care! Everyone understands everything!

[Maz]

Aha - tell this to their synagogues more than pools. than restaurants and bars. than stores. and broadcast there by no means according to the covenants of Moses

[miru mir]

Walk through the forest, tova, predator. With trainers. And I have no desire and time to discuss ...

[An60]

Well, leave this site, the rest will not be offended ...

[miru mir]

Why! You don’t like that anyone has a different opinion? So either don’t read my comments or go along the forest too ...

[Zaurbek]

So at one time, Israel was very friends with Ivan.

[vovanpain]

Quote: Finches

I mean, they sold the country professing Islam

Yes, Evgeny, that’s all true, but we also sell weapons to Azerbaijan and do not bathe.

[Finches]

Azerbaijan is almost our republic, 90% of its population, such a feeling, is constantly in Russia ... I will tell you more, here in our Academy, officers of Azerbaijan and Armenia are studying military affairs in this way, only in different groups! We still perceive them as two tomboys fighting for a scapula in one big sandbox called Russia!

[Yeraz]

Quote: Finches

Azerbaijan is almost our republic,

You are very mistaken.

Quote: Finches

90% of its population, such a feeling, is constantly in Russia ...

You have very wrong feelings. The population of Azerbaijan is almost 10 million. Of these, only 3 are abroad. And the Azerbaijanis you see on the streets are mostly not residents of Azerbaijan, since there are not a few who were born after the 90s in Russia and they do not belong to 10 million official residents of Azerbaijan.
In my family, not a single person who was born in Azerbaijan and the fact that they are considered Azerbaijanis by blood, does not make them residents of Azerbaijan.

Quote: Finches

We still perceive them as two tomboys fighting for a scapula in one big sandbox called Russia!

Only this is not a fight, but the annihilation of each other and not for a shovel, but for territories huge on the scale of these countries and for refugees.

[co-creator]

Quote: Yeraz

Only this is not a fight, but the destruction of each other and not for a shovel,

I’m healthy. Eraz has long wanted to ask you a question. How do you figure out why you lost the warrior to the Armenians having an advantage in everything? I don’t support the version that Azerbaijanis as soldiers are worse than Armenians. All the same, the Turks (and you are Turks) are very good warriors, and in fact only Russians could defeat you.
Well, the second question. Are you for the Russian Federation, in which case will you fight or will you dump in Baku?

[Yeraz]

Quotation: blooded man

I’m healthy. Eraz has long wanted to ask you a question. How do you figure out why you lost the warrior to the Armenians having an advantage in everything? I don’t support the version that Azerbaijanis as soldiers are worse than Armenians. All the same, the Turks (and you are Turks) are very good warriors, and in fact only Russians could defeat you.

Zdarov. Enter personal messages., We will discuss. I am a direct person. Here we will not clog the tape.

[xetai9977]

Russia itself essentially pushed Azerbaijan away from itself. Comprehensive support for the aggressor. You supported the wrong side. What poor Armenia is preferable to solvent Azerbaijan for Russia is a secret behind 7 seals for normal analysts. Do you think they pay for it with gratitude to you? Big mistake. Read their sites - learn a lot about yourself. For 25 years, our country has been holding out the hand of Russia, but invariably the hand is repelled. We all know that only thanks to Russia can Armenia afford to occupy other people's territories. Already at the philistine level, Russia is perceived as an unfriendly country, an accomplice of the aggressor. And there are good reasons for this. During the war years I myself was a lieutenant of the medical service. He traveled a lot in front-line areas. I personally saw the captured Russian saboteurs, who were caught red-handed when mining the bridge. And the role of the 366th Russian regiment in the destruction of the city of Khojaly along with its civilians is also well known. All of us were terribly painful when during the April battles in Russian TV there was simply a monstrous anti-Azerbaijani campaign. It doesn’t matter for us that these TVs are in the hands of those with a surname ending in -yan, for us they are Russian TVs. Respect is not one-sided. At least neutrality must be respected. But this is not in the real, but not declarative actions of the Russian establishment. Officially, relations between our countries are wonderful. But on a mental level, the friend of our enemy is not a friend. And this is not our choice.

[Finches]

You have just written an investigation, but you forgot about the reason for the increase in nationalist sentiments, which were heated up, including by Turkish emissaries, in the late 80s, which later led to the massacre - all the Azerbaijanis, the Armenians and the Russians are to blame ... Why would you not to go and ask ordinary people living in Nagorno-Karabakh - where do they want to live - in Armenia, Azerbaijan, or maybe independently or in Russia? But you do not do this, I can redirect the same thing to the Armenians! And the fact that they suffer from the idea of ​​Greater Armenia from the Arctic Ocean to the Indian Ocean is an ordinary stupidity of not the largest group of minors ... with which my mother bought a computer for the last money!

[xetai9977]

Well no. You conducted a survey among Chechens - do they want to live separately or as part of Russia? There is a clear definition of separatism! Do you propose to create a second Armenian state on our lands? and not just anywhere, but in Karabakh - the cradle of Azerbaijani culture? If we proceed from your logic, then it is necessary to grant independence to Tatarstan, Dagestan, Bashkortostan, etc. You will not go for it and you will do the right thing, But why offer it to us? And by the way, what does the "Turkish emissaries" have to do with it? Was it they who fueled separatism among the Armenians?

[Finches]

That is, you are white and fluffy, and the Armenians are evil and insidious?

Your nagging reference to the Chechens does not stand up to criticism - there the bandits came to power, who didn’t even ask the indigenous Nokhchi themselves where they wanted to live, and yes, some of the leaders of Russia also took advantage of this - just a little bit of fucking blood! Tatarstan and Bashkiria - go ask - if you pick up a dozen people who want to separate, I'll take off my hat to you! Therefore, your example is not correct!

[Pirogov]

Quote: xetai9977

Did they stir up separatism among Armenians?

Armenian separatism in Karabakh was supported by France and the United States, and not only thanks to the Armenian diasporas in these countries, we all must understand that the Crusades did not stop when they changed, one name changed, DEMOCRACY appeared. I am surprised that our leaders understand this and they play giveaways.

[ultra]

Quote: xetai9977

You conducted a survey among Chechens - they want to live separately

Don't you know that in 2003 there was a referendum in Chechnya?

[Aleksandr12]

There was a referendum in Chechnya, about which they want to be part of the Russian Federation. Therefore, the statement

Quote: xetai9977

You conducted a survey among Chechens, do they want to live separately or as part of Russia?

not appropriate.

[Arameev]

Quote: Finches

You have now written an investigation, but forgot about the reason for the increase in nationalist sentiment

Initially, these very "growing nationalist sentiments" (I apologize for the tautology) began in Armenia in those very 80s. there suddenly began talks about the need to reunite with fraternal Karabakh. and this despite the fact that the Yerevan Armenians, as far as I remember from Soviet times, did not even consider the Karabakh Armenians as Armenians. The "Yerevan" guy never wanted to marry the "Karabakh" one. my wife is half Armenian, I know what I'm talking about ..

heated by Turkish emissaries, in the late 80s, which later led to the massacre - all the Azerbaijanis, the Armenians and the Russians are to blame ..

Turks have always tried to incite. but ordinary Azerbaijanis succumbed to this already in response to the negativity that had gone from Armenia. I exaggerate of course, but ... initially, there were a lot of Armenians in Azerbaijan and they lived very friendly with the Azerbaijanis. and then where did all this go?

Why not go and ask ordinary people living in Nagorno-Karabakh - where do they want to live - in Armenia, Azerbaijan, or maybe independently or in Russia? But you do not do this ...

I think they didn’t ask for the same reason that Russia did not ask the Chechens in the 90s. and it is right! otherwise, the state will begin to fall apart into its component parts.

[An60]

"I know what I'm talking about .." I see what nonsense you are writing.

[Arameev]

Quote: An60

"I know what I'm talking about .." I see what nonsense you are writing.

and more specifically, you can? what and what is nonsense from what I wrote. if about the attitude of the "Yerevanians" (meaning the inhabitants of Armenia itself) to the Karabakh - then naturally there was no enmity or something like that. but neglect ... arrogant superiority .... something like the attitude of the "root Muscovite" to the limit from Zadrischensk, only broader and deeper, it was and how.

[Pirogov]

Quote: xetai9977

Russia itself essentially pushed Azerbaijan away from itself. Comprehensive support for the aggressor. You supported the wrong side. What poor Armenia is preferable to solvent Azerbaijan for Russia is a secret behind 7 seals for normal analysts.

You, dear, are not right. Russia does not support Armenia against Azerbaijan, but what would the conflict take on a critical scale, another question, why does Turkey support Azerbaijan? Or do you think it would be right to arm one side so that it would destroy the other? That’s what you’re right about is that there are Armenians who are not grateful, because all nations have them and that’s no reason to cut everyone. And the fact that television is controlled Jews and Armenians so it is all over the world so it always bothered me and wondered how it could be, I agree with this what needs to be done.

[xetai9977]

And what am I wrong? "Russia supports Armenia not against Azerbaijan" - but against whom else? And to whom has she GIVEN the weapon for 25 years? Let's be honest with each other. You all know very well that Armenia is occupying Karabakh. There have never been any mythical "Karabakh forces" in nature. 90% of the dead soldiers from the Armenian side were citizens of the Republic of Armenia. Russia is both arming and arming the aggressors (let’s no hesitation) and free of charge, or on "credit", which they will never return. So against whom? And we will still smile at each other and say that "is everything okay, beautiful marquise?" One thing is clear, the war will continue until we return our ancestral lands. Time is working for us. This will happen sooner or later. And we will be grateful to all countries who have been with us in this grateful mission. Separatism and aggression must be punished in any case. And it is not France and the United States that are arming the Armenians. And you know that very well.

[Finches]

And who said that this is your land - only you alone! How did the Japanese get hung up on the northern territories - you need to sit down at the negotiating table and seek a compromise, not an yak, making yourself a victim of bloody Armenian terror! I gave you an example from life - both officers from Azerbaijan and officers from Armenia study at our military academies - so can you find common ground?

[xetai9977]

And who said that this is your land - only you alone!
I am amazed how you are completely out of topic! Have you heard about the Karabakh Khanate? and about the Yerevan Khanate, by the way. Have you heard somewhere about the Christian KHANATE.? Do you know that Yerevan itself was a Turkic (Azerbaijani) city? Here is a picture of a Russian artist - "Russian troops enter the Erivan fortress". See, there are Muslim mosques everywhere. Do we have to prove that WE are WE? By your logic, who said that Vladimir or Ryazan are your lands? Stupidity? I agree! This is as stupid as your question.

[Finches]

What does my historical competence have to do with it? It’s not enough that I heard or didn’t hear - now the court, if the Armenian wandered, he would have thrown a hundred of such pictures to you proving that this is the original Armenian land! I’m explaining to you that you need to sit down and seek a compromise, taking into account the desires of the local population! Some people in Baku are pulling a blanket over themselves, others in Yerevan, but they haven’t been to Karabakh and haven’t talked to people !

[hrych]

Quote: xetai9977

Are we supposed to prove that WE are WE?

Who are we? According to the Turkmanchay world, these lands became part of the Empire, but they were taken away ... from Iran, following the results of the Russo-Persian wars, one should not invent history. Turkey will collapse from the Kurdish issue, and in the very near future Zakulis made a decision on this issue, Erdogan only prolongs the agony, and he himself liquidated the Ataturk hereditary caste, on which the state of Turkey lasted for the 20th century. The Russian Federation only deliberately extends the agony of Turkey, to destroy the NATO group, where the Kemalists are an integral part. Turkey itself will become a breeding ground for pro-Western Kurdistan, and Iran and Syria will have to give it their Kurds, but Iran in return ... well, you understand, it will get you. It’s just that the process of the last division of the world has already begun, Syria and Iraq are an example of this, they are mercilessly divided, you are next, and oil is good for a powerful state, and a curse for the weak

[AID.S]

Quote: xetai9977

I am amazed at how you are completely out of topic! Have you heard about the Karabakh Khanate? and about the Yerevan Khanate, by the way. Have you heard somewhere about the Christian KHANATE.? Do you know that Yerevan itself was a Turkic (Azerbaijani) city? Here is a picture of a Russian artist - "Russian troops enter the Erivan fortress"

I apologize, but your brain is poisoned by hatred of the Armenians, hence the selectivity in the arguments. You can argue that Istanbul is a genuine Muslim city and that Armenia adopted Christianity after the formation of the original Azerbaijani Yerevan Khanate. Medieval ideas and primitive cruelty determine the consciousness of people in your area.

[ultra]

Quote: xetai9977

Do you know that Yerevan itself was Turkic

It was during the period of occupation. Yerevan is more than 2000 thousand years old, or rather, near Yerevan there is a fortress Erebuni, then the Turks did not smell in the southern Caucasus, and the Armenians were already.

[Arameev]

Quote: xetai9977

Have you heard about the Karabakh Khanate? and about the Yerevan Khanate, by the way. Have you heard somewhere about the Christian KHANATE.? Do you know that Yerevan itself was a Turkic (Azerbaijani) city? Here is a picture of a Russian artist - "Russian troops enter the Erivan fortress." See, there are Muslim mosques everywhere. Do we have to prove that WE are WE? By your logic, who said that Vladimir or Ryazan are your lands?

well ... Armenian statehood has a much larger number of years, even of Islam itself, not to mention Azerbaijan as a nation ... the Turks came to the Caucasus shortly before the appearance of the Turkic sultanate ... and Armenia is the first state in the world to make Christianity state religion. even before Rome. and this is 4 A.D. and then the Turks came .. the Armenian states, like Byzantium, ended. only Armenia, unlike Byzantium, for a while

[garnik]

And who said that this is your land - only you alone!
I am amazed how you are completely out of topic! Have you heard about the Karabakh Khanate? and about the Yerevan Khanate, by the way. Have you heard somewhere about the Christian KHANATE.? Do you know that Yerevan itself was a Turkic (Azerbaijani) city? Here is a picture of a Russian artist - "Russian troops enter the Erivan fortress". See, there are Muslim mosques everywhere. Do we have to prove that WE are WE? By your logic, who said that Vladimir or Ryazan are your lands? Stupidity? I agree! This is as stupid as your question.
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It’s not funny for you. Neither Armenia nor the A-Rakhs were ever Cavarian, they entered the Persian Empire, and then the Russian Empire. Who can claim these two Empires on these lands. And do not write about Ismail Khan, by the way views and Talysh. And if you want the truth, ask who you are and how you appeared on these lands among the Lezghins, Avars, Talysh Udins, Tats and others. The true owners of the lands of Aran and Shirvan, these are the names of the current so-called Northern. Azerbaijan.
Don’t worry about Armenians, for the whole time of relations starting from the campaigns of the Prophetic Oleg to the present day, Armenia has always been on the side of Russia. What can’t be said about you. And you're talking about money.
Do not write the truth, or you are a young man, and taught history from your textbooks, where Russia is an occupier.

[Zaurbek]

..original, this is the former conqueror of this territory. It is a fact. Therefore, who lived where, where the great Armenia, or the great Azerbaijan, was reasoning in favor of the poor.

[andj61]

Quote: xetai9977

Have you heard about the Karabakh Khanate? and about the Yerevan Khanate, by the way. Have you heard somewhere about the Christian KHANATE.? Do you know that Yerevan itself was a Turkic (Azerbaijani) city? Here is a picture of a Russian artist - "Russian troops enter the Erivan fortress." See, there are Muslim mosques everywhere. Do we have to prove that WE are WE?

In the foreground of the picture is really a mosque, but further away is the Armenian church. Everything is close by, and everything is peaceful. Only now, from the end of the 19th century, the Turks began to pursue a tough policy of ousting Armenians from the territory of the Ottoman Empire, and in the beginning of the 20th century they destroyed millions of Armenians in historical Armenia, the rest rushed closer to Russia - and then the Turkic khanates in Karabakh and Erivan ended! And in historical Armenia now Kurds and Turks live!
But still the only way out is to negotiate. For example, to freeze the status of Karabakh by 50-100 years, that is, give the solution to the issue to descendants. To liberate the occupied territories of Azerbaijan itself, provide a transport corridor from Armenia to Karabakh, solve the issue of enclaves of Azerbaijan in Armenia and Armenia in Azerbaijan, divide the warring parties, for example, by UN forces, introduce the Armenian-Azerbaijani administration in Karabakh under UN control, return all the forced immigrants with reasonable compensation. Well, stop the blockade of Armenia.
It is quite possible to do now. And this is a possible solution to the problem. The military path leads nowhere. And it will only lead to the death of the best representatives of both Armenia and Azerbaijan.
And about the help of Russia - in the 90s our troops fought in Karabakh both on the side of Armenia and on the side of Azerbaijan. From the side of Armenia - more, from the side of Azerbaijan - less. Azerbaijan had more money to buy weapons, less in Armenia. But there is a difference in another: at that time a lot of people rushed from Azerbaijan to Russia, but quite a few Armenians from Russia rushed to fight in Karabakh. And Azerbaijanis in Russia gave bribes en masse so as not to be deported to their homeland. Of course, historically, Azerbaijanis are not warriors. And officers from Azerbaijanis began to be purposefully prepared only by G. Aliyev, purposefully sending guys to the military schools of the USSR. But no one categorically did not want to fight, at least among those who were in Russia in the 90s and were a citizen of Azerbaijan.
From this and a loss.

[Butchcassidy]

Tyuyuyuyu, the picture of Vereshchagin is a "historical document", testifying to what? The fact that the Blue Mosque restored by Iran was at that time? Yes it was. And there is. And will be.

And what does this indicate? During the seizure and devastation of Armenian lands, Iranian shahs drove about 1 million people deep into Iran from Yerevan, settling loyal Turkic and Kurdish tribes on Armenian lands. That's all.

By the way, the oldest Armenian church in Yerevan - Surb Petros-Pogos (Peter and Paul) was built in the VI-VII centuries of our era and was demolished in Soviet times.

You can read about the fate of the Armenian temples of Nakhichevan and other areas now controlled by Baku. Most of them were built before the X century, and some even remembered the time of the apostolic sermon.

Naturally, the Turkic nomadic tribes (which later officials of the Russian Empire would call the Transcaucasian Tatars, and in the 1930s Stalin would call Azerbaijanis), who had not yet knocked out the stronger ancestors of Uzbeks, Kyrgyz, Kazakhs, etc. from the steppes of Central Asia. before the Armenian Highlands have not yet reached the bottom.

[Pirogov]

Quote: xetai9977

And what am I wrong? "Russia supports Armenia not against Azerbaijan" - but against whom else? And to whom has she GIVEN the weapon for 25 years?

What do you propose to leave Armenia without isolation support, so that you take the Karabakh which I agree belongs to Azerbaijan but it happened and the Armenians lived there, and you are sure that you will take it only and you will not go any further? And the fact that time works for you, I don’t agree, 90 years will pass and under international law it will remain in Armenia, or independent, so the Karabakh issue must now be resolved by compromises, which your peoples decide.

[xetai9977]

what would you take Karabakh which I agree belongs to Azerbaijan but it happened ..
You will like that some German will write about Koenigsberg or Swede about Vyborg? That is, you personally support separatism, as I understand it. Then there is nothing to be surprised that others will have the same point of view against Russia itself. This is a boomerang. Do not wish the other that you do not wish for yourself

[Pirogov]

Quote: xetai9977

You will like that some German will write about Koenigsberg or Swede about Vyborg? That is, you personally support separatism, as I understand it. Then there is nothing to be surprised that others will have the same point of view against Russia itself. This is a boomerang. Do not wish the other that you do not wish for yourself

Where did you read that I wish your people bad things? I understand that this is a sore point for you, and I can repeat that only your two peoples can solve this issue without any intermediaries, whoever they were Muscovites or Istanbul, etc.

[hrych]

Quote: xetai9977

This is a boomerang.

East Prussia, South Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands, Abkhazia and South Ossetia, Crimea, Transnistria and the Donbass, all these lands were conquered in a bloody struggle following the results of the wars. Karabakh was also conquered, and who was obliged to give it to you at all? Now fled. You did not win your statehood, but it was presented to you. They were taken from Persia by the Russian Empire, then there was the destruction of the USSR, EVERYTHING, the gifts were over, and not able to win, you won’t get anything and lose yours. The law of the universe and cannot be repealed, but if three drunks in Belovezhie make an act in the context of evolution, then in a couple or three decades everything will fall into place and this is inevitable. There will be Russia, there will be China, there will be Persia, there will be France and Germany, and the USA, under one or another name, and pseudo-states without sovereign foreign policy they will share and hang out and this is the law ...

[co-creator]

Quote: xetai9977

what would you take Karabakh which I agree belongs to Azerbaijan but it happened.

who was taken from? Do the Persians? What do you have to do with it. You did not exist before 1917.

[Butchcassidy]

Quote: xetai9977

You will like that some German will write about Koenigsberg or Swede about Vyborg?

These territories became part of the USSR, and then Russia according to the results of World War II, and Peter bought the entire Baltic States from Sweden.

The same thing with Karabakh - the territory around the artificially created and given to NKAO subordination to Baku in Soviet times was brought under the control of Stepanakert following the results of the war unleashed by Baku. So the situation has nothing to do with separatism. Stepanakert decided his fate as well as Baku by the results of the referendum and in accordance with the current Soviet legislation on the decision of his future by the Union republics, autonomous republics and regions of the USSR. By the way, as well as Tskhinval and Sukhum. The reaction of the metropolises in the form of Tbilisi and Baku was predictable - the war, as well as its result - the de facto independence of Tskhinval, Sukhum and Stepanakert.

[garnik]

Thanks to the Christian brothers, for blocking the site the ancient name of Nagorno-Karabakh. (Artsakh) does not pass without a hyphen. Soon, Constantinople will be blocked, and you nod to Europe.

[co-creator]

Quote: garnik

Thanks to the Christian brothers, for blocking the ancient name of Nagorno-Karabakh on the site. (Artsakh) does not pass without a hyphen

you don’t put pressure on pity. We see your brotherhood in real life. For you to die and fight in the Russian Federation there are no more fools.

[padded jacket]

Quote: xetai9977

You supported the wrong side. Why is impoverished Armenia preferable to solvent Azerbaijan for

Not everything is measured by the amount of money a citizen of Azerbaijanis; for people like you, the number of shekels of euro dollars serves as the main measure of human well-being. which, however, is not at all surprising. Apparently you Azerbaijanis and Israeli Jews have found each other, and the thirst for profit and easy money unites and unites you.
And now you together "easily and naturally" together with Israel will plunder the budget of the Azerbaijani Defense Ministry by buying useless pieces of iron

[xetai9977]

Azerbaijani citizen
First, learn how to write in your own language. What do you personally know about me to blame for something? Your intelligence is already clear from your comment.

[Pirogov]

Quote: quilted jacket

Not everything is measured by the amount of money a citizen of Azerbaijanis; for people like you, the number of shekels of euro dollars serves as the main measure of human well-being. which, however, is not at all surprising. Apparently you Azerbaijanis and Israeli Jews have found each other, and the thirst for profit and easy money unites and unites you.
And now you together "easily and naturally" together with Israel will plunder the budget of the Azerbaijani Ministry of Defense by buying useless pieces of iron lol

Your comment does not color you.

[padded jacket]

Quote: Pirogov

Your comment does not color you.

Your opinion on this subject does not interest me.

[Bayonet]

Quote: quilted jacket

And now you together "easily and naturally" together with Israel will plunder the budget of the Azerbaijani Defense Ministry by buying useless pieces of iron

Would have bought better padded jackets - cheap and cheerful!

[garnik]

They hate each other, they just have common enemies.

[Arameev]

Quote: garnik

They hate each other, they just have common enemies.

this is why such a conclusion, you can ask?

[garnik]

this is why such a conclusion, you can ask?
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About hatred, I overdid it a bit, but it’s for sure special love and respect. In communication with a respected Jew, a person had all the walls of the room in books, and books of Jewish writers and others were located separately.

[Arameev]

Quote: garnik

.A person had all the walls of the room in books, and the books of Jewish writers and the rest were located separately.

in my opinion, this speaks of love for his people, but not about dislike for others

[user]

Russia itself essentially pushed Azerbaijan away from itself.

I had a neighbor in the Dzerzhinsky division in Sumgait, so he choked on your comment poor.
It all started much earlier, you just try not to remember such things.

[xetai9977]

Have you been here during the events? Or are you repeating after someone? Should we not know our story? The beginning of events has long been known to all. It all started with the killing of 1988 Azerbaijani children in Karabakh in early February 2 and the mass deportation of Azerbaijanis from Armenia. So do not be cunning here

[Zaurbek]

In fact, Russia has pushed everyone except the Balts ... The republics did not think about independence. B. Yeltsin, for the sake of power, he gave everyone independence ... And he distributed it for the second time already in the Russian Federation, a little independent Tatarstan did not form both Ichkeria and Siberia ...

[co-creator]

Quote: xetai9977

Russia itself essentially pushed Azerbaijan away from itself. Comprehensive support for the aggressor.

So the Armenian lobby is very cool, but for some reason you cannot push your interests. What does the Russian Federation have to do with it?

[Boris Zhitkovsky]

Armenian lobi is very cool. Yes, but if you show Georgian lobio, then what will happen. You will not sleep well.

[miru mir]

Quote: vovanpain

we also sell weapons to Azerbaijan and do not bathe

That's it

[kapitan92]

Quote: miru mir

Quote: vovanpain

we also sell weapons to Azerbaijan and do not bathe

That's it

The "Iron Dome" is an anti-missile system and is positioned as a defensive weapon.
S-400 air defense system, which is also defensive.
So why is Israel so "soared" by the appearance of Russian air defense systems in Iran?
Commerce is commerce, isn't it?

[miru mir]

Because Iran is currently a partocratic state with a fascist ideology. And controlled by Islamic fans

[kapitan92]

[quote = miru mir] Because Iran is currently a partocratic state with a fascist ideology. And controlled by Islamic fans
Who decided that? Israelis, Americans?

[miru mir]

Well, you turn your head on yourself In my opinion, this follows from the foreign and domestic policies of present-day Iran.

[kapitan92]

Quote: miru mir

Well, you turn your head on yourself

I do not turn it off.

Quote: miru mir

In my opinion, this follows from the foreign and domestic policies of present-day Iran.

This is your opinion. The internal and external Iranian policies are no different from the policies of Israel, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, the USA, etc.
It depends on what angle it is considered.

[miru mir]

Why didn’t you mention Russia ?!

[Zaurbek]

.. And just like that, without losses, it will be difficult to bomb. You go on. And count the number of acts of aggression by Israel and Iran ... This is from a series of stories about the peaceful American B-52, which was attacked by Vietnam’s air defense systems ...

[Arameev]

Quote: kapitan92

S-400 air defense system, which is also defensive.
So why is Israel so "soared" by the appearance of Russian air defense systems in Iran?
Commerce is commerce, isn't it?

true, a defensive weapon. but Iran has consistently declared its desire to destroy Israel as soon as it has the weapons it needs. it has its own atomic program. it is likely that their "successes" in it will lead to the need to destroy the entire Iranian nuclear infrastructure. without waiting for an atomic strike from their side (they have already announced their readiness to inflict it. in advance. the matter is for their science and industry) preventively. and in this case, the C300 systems will complicate the problem. in short, for us it can be a matter of life and death.

[kapitan92]

Likewise, Azerbaijan is not shy about expressions in relation to Armenia. Considering that these countries are the "underbelly" of Russia, and millions of both live on the territory of the Russian Federation, the sale of the "dome" also raises certain doubts about the "peacekeeping" of the Israelis.
Regarding the question of "life and death", I think you are exaggerating the danger.

[Arameev]

Quote: kapitan92

the sale of the "dome" also raises certain doubts about the "peacekeeping" of the Israelis ..

Well ... the sale of almost all types of weapons by the Russian Federation to the Arabs, given their hostility to each other and to Israel, also raises certain doubts about the "peacekeeping" of the Russians)))

Regarding the question of "life and death", I think you are exaggerating the danger.

gyyy ... of course! just think, they will beat the Jews with a nuclear charge. nothing terrible. what is the question of "life and death"? and they will die - not a great loss. )))) So INTO is clearly exaggerating! and ... this ... we love you very much too!

[Zaurbek]

Iran is threatening, and Israel is actually attacking outside its territory.

[Arameev]

Quote: Zaurbek

Iran is threatening, and Israel is actually attacking outside its territory.

understand your feelings. I would like the other way around, but .... two thousand years are over. repetition we do not want and will not allow.

[Parsec]

Quote: Arameev

understand your feelings. I would like the other way around, but .... two thousand years are over. repetition we do not want and will not allow.

Paphos rolls over even for VO.
We will not allow ... Look out the window, there is real life.

[Arameev]

Quote: Parsec

Paphos rolls over even for VO.
We will not allow ... Look out the window, there is real life.

maybe really too pathetic. but in real life, Jews are killed only because they are Jews, even in Israel. advise not to pay attention to it? and here ... read how many g .... VNA poured on the Jews. as if thieves, maniac, villains are not present in any nation, except Jewish. and pathos .... it is from emotions.

[Zaurbek]

I absolutely do not want to .... But, to tell the truth ... And with the Russian Federation as well: Russian aggression, we attack NATO, etc., and the US and NATO bases on the perimeter of our borders .. And if you look at region, then just in Iran everything is very tolerant and democratic and the big Jewish diaspora, and it’s just the Saudis, Turks and other friends of Israel who are engaged in the massacre.

[Arameev]

Quote: Zaurbek

I absolutely do not want to .... But, to tell the truth ... And with the Russian Federation as well: Russian aggression, we attack NATO, etc., and the US and NATO bases on the perimeter of our borders .. And if you look at region, then just in Iran everything is very tolerant and democratic and the big Jewish diaspora, and it’s just the Saudis, Turks and other friends of Israel who are engaged in the massacre.

and where and when did I talk about Russian aggression ??? vice versa! the last couple of years, in the world the same persecution of Russia and Russians, as it has long been - Jews and Israel. only few people notice this analogy for some reason ...
as for Iran ... maybe they are tolerant of their own, I don’t know. and find out little chance. Iran, in fact, is a very closed country ... (such as the Union in the sense of information about internal affairs) but the fact that they are driving about Israel is finally not at all possible IMHO

[Yeraz]

Quote: Finches

I mean, they sold a country professing Islam, which conflicts with a Christian country and

And he was always friends with Israel and the Jewish people. A country in which there is the only full-fledged Jewish village in the world, where there are synagogues, etc. It has a huge diaspora of Azerbaijani Jews in Israel, who occupy high posts in Israel and much more.
And Christian Armenia is supported by ISLAMIC Iran.

[padded jacket]

Quote: Yeraz

And he was always friends with Israel and the Jewish people

Yeah, both Azerbaijanis and Israelis love to trade The former are mainly in the Russian food markets and the latter in the banking sector.

[Yeraz]

Quote: quilted jacket

The former are mainly in the Russian food markets and the latter in the banking sector.

Not really, the main Jews in the markets are Azerbaijani Jews, and some of them with Azerbaijani names like Telman Ismailov, who consider themselves Azerbaijanis in the same way, but they are Jewish. Jews control all the markets in Russia at the top.

[padded jacket]

Quote: Yeraz

Not really, the main Jews in the markets, but these are Azerbaijani Jews and some of them are still with Azerbaijani

Yes, they are the same that they are traders and yes moneylenders.

Quote: Yeraz

Telman Ismailov

Well, Telman Ismailov is a special conversation. We have a lot of "mountain Jews" like him.

[igor67]

Quote: Yeraz

Quote: quilted jacket

The former are mainly in the Russian food markets and the latter in the banking sector.

Not really, the main Jews in the markets are Azerbaijani Jews, and some of them with Azerbaijani names like Telman Ismailov, who consider themselves Azerbaijanis in the same way, but they are Jewish. Jews control all the markets in Russia at the top.

Ismailov, this is too high, I have an agrarian number of immigrants from Azerbaijan in my workshop, they only speak Azerbaijani among themselves, many witnesses of the bloody events in Baku, I’m an operator, I have two assistants. Baku People, 65 each, work hard, this is about traders, 12 hours work on teddy bears (pallets)

[Yeraz]

Quote: igor67

65 for both, work hard,

Yes, I have not a single merchant in my family at all. But to whom do we prove it? If an Azerbaijanian in Russia means by any citizen Azerbaijan and any merchant))) This is the level of dark people.

[xetai9977]

Everyone speaks according to their intelligence. This is an axiom.

[co-creator]

Quote: Yeraz

This is the level of dark people.

This is a stereotype and do not be offended by it. For me, Azeri is one of the smartest small nations. True, the Armenians are even smarter, or rather cunning.

[Zaurbek]

There is such a nation Tatygorsk Jews. there were a lot of them in Azerbaijan and the national cuisine is very reminiscent of Azerbaijani.

[Arameev]

Quote: Zaurbek

There is such a nation Tatygorsk Jews. there were a lot of them in Azerbaijan and the national cuisine is very reminiscent of Azerbaijani.

))))) in fact, the Tats are Muslims, a small ethnic group in the north of Azerbaijan. they speak Farsi, like the mountain Jews. in Soviet times, many, in order to hide their Jewishness or their children, (in order to avoid possible problems with the fifth column) wrote down national tats in passports)) and today you can’t make out without a pallitre who is who))) but in general, these tats not Jews.

[padded jacket]

Quote: Yeraz

And Christian Armenia is supported by ISLAMIC Iran.

In particular, Iran supplies natural gas to Armenia, including our gas base in Gyumri.

[igor67]

[quote = padded jacket] [quote = Yeraz] And Christian Armenia is supported by ISLAMIC Iran. [/ quote]
In particular, Iran supplies natural gas to Armenia, including to our base in Gyumri. [/ And heroin to Egypt. : Egyptian military intercepts an Iranian ship loaded with heroin

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Egyptian military intercepts an Iranian ship loaded with heroin
The Egyptian army thwarted an attempt to smuggle a large shipment of heroin aboard an Iranian vessel, Al-Ahram newspaper reported on Saturday 17 December.

According to published information, naval officers detained an Iranian ship in the Egyptian territorial waters of the Red Sea for inspection. The operation was carried out on the basis of information received about a suspicious vessel.

During a search in the toilets on the ship, 171 kilograms of heroin were discovered.

The crew of the Abadan vessel consisted of four Iranians, two Indians and one Pakistani. They are all arrested.

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[padded jacket]

Quote: Finches

I mean, they sold a country professing Islam, which conflicts with a Christian country, and who sold it?

The most interesting thing is that despite all the cries about "evil" Shiites who allegedly hate "white and fluffy" Israeli Jews, these same Israeli Jews sell weapons to Shiites from Azerbaijan .
Truly for the sake of money, Israel will sell everything to everyone.

[Turai]

Vatnichek, since when do you work on weekends? Or does Iran pay extra for work outside school hours?

[padded jacket]

Quote: Turai

Vatnichek, since when do you work on weekends?

I do not work on the site as an Israeli Jew under the name Turai. I am here to draw information and communicate.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: quilted jacket

Quote: Turai

Vatnichek, since when do you work on weekends?

I do not work on the site as an Israeli Jew under the name Turai. I am here to draw information and communicate.

Not a padded jacket, you do not communicate. You are propagandizing anti-Semitism.

[xetai9977]

At the quilted jacket, the nickname exactly matches the image. No wonder

[Arameev]

Quote: Finches

... That's what I like about God's chosen people, their absolute pragmatism and cynicism in business - they will boil up any kind of Palestinian Hezbollah with any weapon if it brings any shekels.

] Hezbollah is not Palestinian, since you undertake to "express solidarity", it would be worth knowing who)) and please give an example of such a "vparivanie" Israel "any weapon" some "Hezbollah Hamas"

I mean, they sold a country professing Islam, which conflicts with a Christian country, and who sold it? Israel! A country that is a bone in the throat of the Islamic world, but business is business!

aha! Better this way: "The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Azerbaijan sent a note to the Russian Foreign Ministry in connection with information on the entry into force of the Russian-Armenian intergovernmental agreement on the allocation of a $ 200 million loan to Yerevan for the purchase of weapons ...
At the same time, Azerbaijan itself, as follows from the statement of the President of the country Ilham Aliyev, has purchased Russian weapons in the amount of 20 times more - for $ 4 billion. "
in simple terms, this is called "both ours and yours." using your logic, RF is an example of unscrupulousness.

Judaism is nevertheless closer to Islam than to Christianity!

one more evidence that you undertook to judge what you have only a distant idea of. Judaism is much closer to Christianity than to Islam. if only because Christianity has as its part the "Old Testament" (though not accurate, but still a translation of the Jewish Torah) as part of its main book of the Bible, which is not in Islam.

[Finches]

What are you distorting - I wrote allegorically, writing "some kind of Hezbollah" for a general understanding of the meaning that they are ready to trade even with the bald devil, and even more so I did not express my sympathy to anyone, and I was not going to judge Judaism at all, but asked with doubt, without pretending to any judgment!

You trade and trade - why did your God-chosen ones become so maturing? What a habit to immediately go into a bottle and indicate with foam at the mouth of the goyim their true place in this world ...

[Arameev]

Quote: Finches

What are you distorting - I wrote allegorically, writing "some kind of Hezbollah" for a general understanding of the meaning that they are ready to trade even with the bald devil, and even more so I did not express my sympathy to anyone, and I was not going to judge Judaism at all, but asked with doubt, without pretending to any judgment!
You trade and trade - why did your God-chosen ones become so maturing? What a habit to immediately go into a bottle and indicate with foam at the mouth of the goyim their true place in this world ...

well ... maybe I really reacted too sharply to your allegory. sorry.
but I fundamentally disagree with your statements about Israel's unscrupulousness in choosing trade partners. neither Hezbollah, nor Hamas, we do not sell or transfer weapons to anyone like them. We do not support IS and the rest of the "Nusravtsy" (they are generally outlawed in our country, just like you). but the fact that the country is Muslim is absolutely not decisive in the choice. the main thing is the adequacy and attitude of the authorities towards Israel.

[Finches]

Each state has the right to deal with its weapons as it pleases.

[Arameev]

Quote: Finches

Each state has the right to deal with its weapons as it pleases.

I agree, I have the right ... but at the same time, the states must be guided not only and not so much by economic benefits, some moral standards must be present ... weapons are always someone's death.

[garnik]

In your opinion, Armenia does not adequately relate to Israel? Two months ago, in Jerusalem, Jewish Orthodox attacked the members of the chorus of church chants. From Armenia, with the cries of a murderer. I would like to know the reason for this attitude. And in Iran, the attitude towards the Armenians is much better. Yes to the local Jews.

[Arameev]

Quote: garnik

In your opinion, Armenia does not adequately relate to Israel?

where did I say that?

Two months ago, in Jerusalem, Jewish Orthodox attacked the members of the chorus of church chants. From Armenia, with the cries of a murderer. I would like to know the reason for this attitude. And in Iran, the attitude towards the Armenians is much better. Yes to the local Jews.

to be honest, I haven't heard anything about it. and what did these doksy want? why suddenly "pounced"? can not understand anything! in general, Israel is full of Armenians, both living here for a long time, and "from the last wave." live normally. good people.

[MACCABI-TLV]

Armenia yudenfray. Why do not you know?

[Asadullah]

one more evidence that you undertook to judge what you have only a distant idea of. Judaism is much closer to Christianity than to Islam. if only because Christianity has the "Old Testament"

Wait, engine, don’t knock .... on the brain! Islam, this is the Old Testament branch, which the Jews themselves recognize, but the Jews do not recognize Christians, they have neither the god Jesus, nor the prophet Isa ......

[Arameev]

Quote: Asadullah

one more evidence that you undertook to judge what you have only a distant idea of. Judaism is much closer to Christianity than to Islam. if only because Christianity has the "Old Testament"

Wait, engine, don’t knock .... on the brain! Islam, this is the Old Testament branch, which the Jews themselves recognize, but the Jews do not recognize Christians, they have neither the god Jesus, nor the prophet Isa ......

quite precisely, the Jews do not recognize either Christians or Muslims. they don’t recognize the prophets. otherwise, what would be the difference between all three? ))) Beginning of the Old Testament ... I meant that part of the Bible is a direct translation of the Torah, and in the Qur'an there is a free (if I may say so) retelling, and it’s very unauthentic. the difference is significant IMHO.

[Asadullah]

IMHO.

It excuses you in the eyes of the theocratic society of VO The question of difference is indicative, but it is not in the category of difference of interpretation, but in relation to one denomination to another. So Jews, all non-Jews, are considered fools, Muslims are unreasonable children who have not grown to a gray beard of understanding, Christians weep that the Jews killed Christ, and the Mohammedans lowered him to the level of a prophet. And we live, in fact, believing in the old Abram’s house book. Where is God here .... and FIG knows him ....

[Arameev]

Quote: Asadullah

IMHO.

The question is .. not in the category of interpretation differences, but in relation to one denomination to another. So Jews, all non-Jews, are considered fools, Muslims are unreasonable children who have not grown to a gray beard of understanding, Christians weep that the Jews killed Christ, and the Mohammedans lowered him to the level of a prophet. And we live, in fact, believing in the old Abram’s house book. Where is God here .... and FIG knows him ....

this very "different attitude of confessions to each other" is the root of mutual rejection. and is based largely on ignorance. IMHO even in your words, dear Asadullah is an example of this - "So the Jews, all non-Jews are considered d-uraks." in fact it is not. they consider it the same way as Muslims - not grown to the mercy of the Almighty. in my opinion, the "house book of Abraham" is just an example of the path ... an example for others and not a sense of imitation, but of trial and error already passed by someone ...

[Asadullah]

this very "different attitude of confessions to each other" is the root of mutual rejection. and is based largely on ignorance. IMHO even in your

In words, the respected Asadullah is an example of this - "So the Jews, all non-Jews are considered d-uraks." in fact it is not. they consider it the same way as Muslims - not grown to the mercy of the Almighty. in my opinion, the "house book of Abraham" is just an example of the path ... an example for others and not a sense of imitation, but of trial and error already passed by someone ...

They think a little differently. Both at the level of theologians, and at the household level. And for mistakes, Jews were probably the first people on the planet who not only began to believe in something that they had no idea, but also taught it to almost everyone in the world. Somewhere like that. Have you read the milling cutter? Read it again

[Arameev]

Quote: Asadullah

They think a little differently. Both at the level of theologians, and at the household level. And for mistakes, Jews were probably the first people on the planet who not only began to believe in something that they had no idea, but also taught it to almost everyone in the world. Somewhere like that. Have you read the milling cutter? Read it again

But what about Fraser? it is he who says that, in fact, God is a system of ethical laws, a system of rules that allow people to live in a community of self-similar.
I don’t remember exactly where I read the thought that faith is a crutch that replaces the mind. and those who, with its help, take their place under the sun, in fact, use human stupidity.

[Asadullah]

I don’t remember exactly where I read the thought that faith is a crutch that replaces the mind. and those who, with its help, take their place under the sun, in fact, use human stupidity.

Ooh, my friend! You are touching a dangerous topic! As our friends say, astronomers, before looking through a telescope, drink vodka .... the mind is the same tool as your hands, with the same skill method, awareness, it is a premonition of a dirty trick, and God is like a paradox of the conscious unconscious. That is, faith is the movement of awareness towards the point of the unconscious. Unfortunately, the faith of today, any of the faiths, is running on the spot, and in order for this running on the spot not to plunge believers into despondency and disappointment, the priests invented a dynamo to generate useful energy in society. And billions stomp, some with zeal, some with laziness, but with confidence that it’s not just that ...... haha.

[padded jacket]

Quote: Arameev

Please give an example of such "vparivanie" Israel "any weapon" some "Hezbollah-Hamas"

Tell tales further Your military men periodically sell weapons to the Palestinian Arabs from which, among other things, they then kill you Israeli Jews.
12 M-16 rifles stolen from IDF base
The Israeli military and police are investigating the theft of 12 M-16 rifles from one of the IDF bases in the north of the country.
http://newsru.co.il/israel/03oct2016/rove303.html

[Arameev]

Quote: quilted jacket

Quote: Arameev

Please give an example of such "vparivanie" Israel "any weapon" some "Hezbollah-Hamas"

Tell tales further Your military men periodically sell weapons to the Palestinian Arabs from which, among other things, they then kill you Israeli Jews.
12 M-16 rifles stolen from IDF base
The Israeli military and police are investigating the theft of 12 M-16 rifles from one of the IDF bases in the north of the country.
http://newsru.co.il/israel/03oct2016/rove303.html

that is, the word "stolen" in your understanding is equivalent to "sold by the state"?

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: miru mir

Comparing a friendly state with a terrorist organization is, at least, stupid.

It’s friendly until it attacks Armenia, and then allied assistance mechanisms turn on and have to act against Azerbaijan by building a second front against NATO in the person of Turkey. A tough scenario, but firmly holding the situation in a certain framework. Aliyev tried to test the strength of the Karabakh front, but he received a clear signal of determination and did not go any further. This is to the question of whether our group is needed in Armenia. If the Russians leave, then an open meat grinder will begin.
And so, of course, we are not building any cunning plans with respect to Azerbaijanis. If you want, we all (three) are hostages of the situation that Russia will not tolerate another war in the Caucasus.
P.S. Strange purchase, it costs a lot of money, are there really no other critical needs and decided to purchase this effective, but very specific complex?

[Yeraz]

Quote: Thunderbolt

Friendly until it attacks Armenia,

Tell me, when did Azerbaijan attack Armenia ??? Or did Nagorno-Karabakh with 7 regions around it already become the territory of Armenia and Russia recognized these territories as an integral part of Armenia ???

Quote: Thunderbolt

Strange purchase, big money, are there really no other critical needs?

There are critical needs for the Air Force, but no one is selling it. There is little hope for the Chinese planes that are being assembled in Pakistan. But there is a problem, because the engines in these planes are Russian. And Russia can also block deliveries here.

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: Yeraz

when did Azerbaijan attack Armenia ??? Or did Nagorno-Karabakh with 7 regions around it already become the territory of Armenia and Russia recognized these territories as an integral part of Armenia ???

No, they didn’t attack, but Armenia also feels responsible in the event of a full-scale war !!! will be involved in it. You will not be able to capture this very complex fortified area without isolation and striking large Armenia. This is what keeps you from a brutal massacre on both sides. For me, on both sides, since I do not want to divide the peoples who used to live and fight in a single country into friends and strangers. I think in Moscow they also think that supporting Armenia is not a game against Azerbaijan, but preserving the balance of power. This is a very complicated mechanism, and if you feel infringed on something, it’s only because of the complexity of all these things . But one thing I can say clearly: otherwise it will be much worse.

Quote: Yeraz

Air Force needs

Against the background of the weakness of the Armenian Air Force, this is not so scary, and you won’t have to fight with anyone else. Large players will try to prevent this

[Yeraz]

Quote: Thunderbolt

will be involved in it.

Are you kidding ??? and in Karabakh whose troops are ??? in addition to the Karabakh units, there were always troops directly from Armenia and the exercises there are frequent. Those who died in April ??? 90% of those killed are conscripts from ARMENIA.

Quote: Thunderbolt

You cannot capture this very complex fortified area without isolation and striking large Armenia.

And what is it like in Armenia itself, that it is necessary to strike at it ?? Long-range systems ?? No. All significant facilities in Baku or around. All significant systems and the majority of troops in Karabakh. Why beat Armenia itself ??? There are no factories or anything significant affecting the Military Balance, most of the weapons in Karabakh are open or hidden.
Here is Kelbajar and Lachin, which connect Nagorno-Karabakh, but it is necessary to cut off forces.

Quote: Thunderbolt

This keeps you from a brutal massacre on both sides.

It is being held back by the Russian Federation. Its reaction. The situation in Georgia and recent years has shown that Russia can do what it wants near its borders. Explicitly or HIDDEN. And there is no guarantee of its neutrality. It won’t be right there, it will change its soldiers into chevrons of the Armenian army or not they’ll just give intelligence to the Armenians about the movement of troops, plans, etc. Intelligence of Azerbaijan and Armenia is zero with a stick. Foreign intelligence services host it. There will be supplies of weapons, etc. That's what stops. And not Armenia, as such.

Quote: Thunderbolt

Amid the weakness of the Armenian Air Force, it’s not so scary

Not scary. But it would greatly strengthen the capabilities of the army. Indeed, Armenia has air defense systems, yes the old S-300s, Azerbaijan has newer ones. But these air defense systems can cause problems not with the most modern air forces of Azerbaijan, but modern air defense would be Armenia not dangerous and would strike at the troops. In April, the aircraft were not used.

[DM51]

And why do you have Azerbaijan with a capital letter, and Armenia with a small? You do not consider Armenia for the state, or so do not respect the Armenians? Then it’s clear why the residents of NK do not want to return to Azerbaijan

[Yeraz]

Quote: DM51

And why do you have Azerbaijan with a capital letter, and Armenia with a small?

it shows my attitude to this people and this state education.

Quote: DM51

when it’s clear why the residents of NK do not want to return to Azerbaijan

And the cause and effect should not be confused. After this, as the land was selected, this relationship appeared.

[DM51]

it shows my attitude to this people and this state education

That is, the Armenians for you are second-class people - slaves, and you are like a white bone. NK will never be yours

And the cause and effect should not be confused. After such as the earth was taken, this relationship appeared

Historical justice has not been selected, but historical justice has been restored, and you would have slaughtered them all, just like the Georgians of Ossetians tried in South Ossetia or like the Russians in Chechnya in the 90s, with that attitude you would have been the first to start the Armenians

[garnik]

And why do you have Azerbaijan with a capital letter, and Armenia with a small? You do not consider Armenia for the state, or so do not respect the Armenians? Then it’s clear why the residents of NK do not want to return to Azerbaijan
-------------------------------------------
The question is correctly asked. Without Turkey and without Nusra (namely, they are waiting for them), the cavatars are unable to wage a full-scale war.

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: Yeraz

Are you kidding ??? and in Karabakh whose troops are ??? in addition to the Karabakh units, there were always troops directly from Armenia and the exercises there are frequent. Those who died in April ??? 90% of those killed are conscripts from ARMENIA.

Exactly, it doesn’t work out that it will be possible to isolate Karabakh and take it under control without transferring military operations to the territory of Armenia itself.
You have noticed that you can expect anything from Russia and it can even give out Artsakh chevrons to its soldiers. This is not required. You cannot conquer Karabakh without striking Armenia, which means that then we will not have to hide. And we are not one of those who puts on someone else's uniform to cut someone else's land. If to be honest, then this is how we keep the expansion of NATO-Turkey to us through the steppes in the narrow gates of the Caucasus. Therefore, of course, you are wise to arm your army well (it is possible that she will still say about herself , but not in the Armenian direction), but all these tactical successes will not bring the desired victory. You want to withdraw our troops to talk to Yerevan like a boy, but the base and its military allies in the region will only grow stronger over time. Now we cannot fully bring these forces in full order in a comprehensive manner, so you have to balance the lack of forces with Iskander. This keeps your friends from doing big stupid things. And I would advise your president to have his head on his shoulders and not hu Mishiko fought --- fought a lot? Only grief on both sides and only lost what he found for the country. What are you trying to achieve that Russia will weaken? Otherwise, why is this fighting? the wheels can be physically worn out, and the mathematics in these machines is normal, which cannot be said about your frequency emitters). Why these parts? We will not let you tear apart, the last major provocation on your part not only gave you confidence, but also became food for us for deep reflection.

[Yeraz]

Quote: Thunderbolt

Do you want the withdrawal of our troops,

Why ???? Azerbaijan needs neutrality. The Russian base does not pose a threat, because Azerbaijan has a large border with Russia and all of Azerbaijan is covered by a large number of funds from the territory of the Russian Federation itself. Whether or not the bases exist. Azerbaijan borders on the Russian Federation,

Quote: Thunderbolt

What do you want Russia to weaken? Otherwise, why is this militancy?

Well, besides Armenia, there are other factors. The unstable North Caucasus, in the south of Iran poking its nose.
And they are waiting for geopolitical conjuncture in Azerbaijan. Russia can change their minds and then these lands will have to be taken by force. One neutrality of Russia will not be enough. Everyone understands there will be a lot of blood. Russia will not take it instead of Azerbaijan. He can say, boys I stand aside.

[co-creator]

Quote: Yeraz

There are critical needs for the Air Force, but no one is selling it. There is little hope for the Chinese planes that are being assembled in Pakistan. But there is a problem, because the engines in these planes are Russian. And Russia can also block deliveries here.

Do not even hope. This is a political issue and no one will sell you aviation. Russia does not need refugees Armenians.

[Yeraz]

Quotation: blooded man

Quote: Yeraz

There are critical needs for the Air Force, but no one is selling it. There is little hope for the Chinese planes that are being assembled in Pakistan. But there is a problem, because the engines in these planes are Russian. And Russia can also block deliveries here.

Do not even hope. This is a political issue and no one will sell you aviation. Russia does not need refugees Armenians.

Everyone understands this. But politics is a volatile thing. Nobody says tomorrow, but just sitting is a bad thing too.

[tilovaykrisa]

Well, this is probably their answer to the supply of iskander to Armenians from the Russian Federation.

[Asadullah]

Well you give! Comparing a friendly state with a terrorist organization is, at least, stupid.

Friendly in what sense? Friendly to Iran or friendly to Turkey? I understand that the Jews in Azerbaijan (on that territory) lived when the Jews had not yet left Egypt, but still they were somewhat special, didn’t they notice? There are no politicians here, they used their lobby, which is crushing tons on the Aliyevs, and pushed their product. Which, in principle, is a country like a dog’s fifth leg. As you sell the Dead Sea salt all over the world, telling tales of old Abram, well, the suckers are smeared. In general, I approve, the world is full of fools, rather it’s even their world, so you need to live not in search of truth and meaning in education, but dope and live happily ever after .......

[hrych]

Quote: miru mir

Comparing a friendly state with a terrorist organization is, at least, stupid.

Didn't you confuse anything with your friends? The Islamic, and the Shiite population, therefore, "loves" Jews without memory.

[Arameev]

Quote: hrych

Didn't you confuse anything with your friends? The Islamic, and the Shiite population, therefore, "loves" Jews without memory.

no, they didn’t beguiled. most ordinary Azerbaijanis are absolutely loyal to Jews in general, and to Israel in particular. in your words, Shiit = Jewish hatred / Israelite hater. but this is completely wrong, fortunately. what has happened in Iran in recent years is a consequence of the clerics in power. historically, there have always been relatively good relations between Persians and Jews.

[Zaurbek]

Shiites are generally not inclined to various genocides .... If you look at Iran and Azerbaijan, then different nations and different faiths coexist there, by the way, the Jewish community is the largest ... they also consider Alawites to be Shiites ... The war with Armenians provoked the collapse of the country and the division of the earth. Moreover, the Armenians started this way first ... But they can be understood, and 100 years have not passed since the last massacre with the Turks, and the Turks only got closer to Azerbaijan.

[RASKAT]

“The Iron Dome is a tactical missile defense system designed to protect against unguided tactical missiles with a flight range from 4 to 70 kilometers.

Something I strongly doubt that this system will save Tornado from a salvo. As I understand it, the characteristics are just against Tornado. And if the volley will make the battery of Tornadoes?

[padded jacket]

Quote: RASKAT

Something I strongly doubt that this system will save Tornado from a salvo.

Yes, that's not the point, just Azerbaijanis and Israeli Jews have agreed and are "sawing" the budget of theirs MO. Because judging by the effectiveness of ZhK in Israel, it will not even knock down the Grad MLRS package.

[hrych]

Quote: Krivbass

calling smelly

It’s just the opposite, the punishers used the features to identify the commissioners ... And this is how you feel professional deformation, in the form of a riot of imagination Such vivid pictures appear in the imagination, either among the madmen, with the "squirrel", or under the toadies Mania of persecution, megalomania and sexual disorders ... in a word, congratulations !!!

[Kryvbas]

What kind of "persecution mania"? A wretched "quilted jacket"? You can only joke with him, because the wretched and the complexes from him and his clone just climb out. And you, as I understand it, were punitive relatives, partisans were caught during the war And as for the pictures, I’m a nice person, I work not just in medicine, but also in psychiatry, and I can figure out such poor people right away.

[hrych]

Quote: Krivbass

So I’m a nice person, I work not just in medicine, but also in psychiatry, and I calculate such wretched people right away.

I’m talking about professional deformation when a doctor becomes a patient

[Kryvbas]

What a "deformation" 7 Just an experience, since there are, unfortunately, a lot of such losers who have found an excuse for their insignificance and uselessness in the god-rescued one. And even clones like this "quilted jacket" are making themselves. Because of the strong burning sensation in the lower part back forgot to re-login and answered from the wrong account :)))

[Kryvbas]

And, so who was shaking on Maillra in Jewish-eating fits, and was giving out such "compositions" there? :))) Do you want to give me a link to your highs there? I disgrace them in front of everyone :)))

[Kryvbas]

The liquid-eaters stink like you, and disgusting :)))

[Maz]

Quote: Krivbass

Do you want to give a link to yours with you there? I’ll dishonor everyone

And if I want to tell you about you, about discrimination against Russians in Israel, for example - 69 percent, versus 39 across the country for other nationalities. Not weak? Three days ago, all Russians were stunned by the report and the population survey. about the glass ceiling, about the refusals of the soldiers to comply with the order, about the orthodox. Ohhh you keep it quiet. So why climb here, shaw boring?

[Arameev]

Quote: Maz

And if I want to tell you about you, about discrimination against Russians in Israel, for example - 69 percent, versus 39 across the country for other nationalities. Not weak? Three days ago, all Russians were stunned by the report and the population survey. about the glass ceiling, about the refusals of the soldiers to comply with the order, about the orthodox.

What is x-ray discrimination ?! everywhere, wherever you poke, it is full of ours. starting from the ministries and ending with the bast in the market. very many are well settled, far from running errands. there are losers of course. heavier than all older ones, primarily because of the language, but in general, now the attitude towards Russians is completely not the same as it was from the beginning of the 90s. then yes it was. but at first there was a disinterested attitude towards all newcomers. and to the Moroccans, and to the Yemenis .. this is a common occurrence everywhere. kmk

[Bayonet]

Quote: hrych

Such vivid pictures appear in the imagination, either among the madmen, with the "squirrel", or under the toilets Mania of persecution, megalomania and sexual dysfunctions ... in a word, congratulations !!!

Is it about Zhitkovsky and Vatnik?

[padded jacket]

Quote: Krivbass

There is not a single Fajar or M-75 on Tel Aviv.

That is, you want Israel to fall - Fajr or M-75

Quote: Krivbass

In general, I can explain your insanity on the Jewish topic solely by personal problems - I met such patients in the USSR. Most likely you are in your profession and some Jew has taken the place you were counting on. Or is it even more personal (and more likely) - some pretty Jewess rejected your courtship, calling me a smelly freak. Well, or just disgraced in bed with one and was awarded the title of pathetic impotent

"Poor" Israeli Jew, how is it that hate me?
Although you are Kryvbas "funny", let's continue to compose .

Quote: Krivbass

By the way, you have a reason for mourning and curses against the damned Zionists - they soaked directly into the car the main specialist of Hamas for UAV conservation. Pay :)))

Well, nothing will replace another Palestinian and he will fight until their Palestinian Homeland is free from occupation by Israeli Jews.

[Kryvbas]

So, Vatyanya, you publicly admit that you honored the fake pictures? How are you so disgraced? :))) But how can you hate you? You can only hitch it off with those omitted :))) Yes, and why are you logging in? Well, have you already burned your clone :) And by the way, if you are such a fighter for freedom, Falyastin, what's on the couch Come, come, fight, give up your worthless life for the ideas of Islam :))))) I’m still going to milim (reserve fees), and I’m not sitting at the base, but I took part in something, albeit as a doctor. You see, we would meet :)))

[padded jacket]

Quote: Krivbass

So, Vatyanya, you publicly admit that you honored the fake pictures? How are you so disgraced? :))):

I see you very bad Israeli Jew
Here's not a "fake" one.

Quote: Krivbass

And by the way, if you are such a fighter for freedom Falyastyn, why are you sitting on the couch?

It tells me the couch warrior - Krivbass

Quote: Krivbass

I’m in darling (reserve charges) I go while

Yes, do not invent anywhere you do not go maximum from home to the nearest bar you look in and even then on the way you "tremble" so that God forbid you do not meet an Arab

[Boris Zhitkovsky]

Padded jacket !!! Well, you tell this not clever Jew that you are not me. And I am not you. I am on my own. How to hammer it in. His head is apparently beaten off, he lived in a gangster town. The bandits of a Jew were beaten, his violin was hit on the head and beat off. Explain to him, we are different.

[Bayonet]

Quote: quilted jacket

"Poor" Israeli Jew, how is it that hate me?

So far you are not childish!

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: quilted jacket

That is, you want Israel to fall - Fajr or M-75

anything can be, but doubtful.

Well, nothing will replace another Palestinian and he will fight until their Palestinian Homeland is free from occupation by Israeli Jews.

Nothing quilted jacket and the line will reach you.

[Kryvbas]

This system is not designed to protect against the volleys of "Tornadoes" or "Hurricanes", they are covered from the air when approaching to an opsy range.

[svp67]

Quote: Finches

vparit ... it will bring any shekels .... Then they will erase it in the camp ... just dust using carpet bombing and then vparit again ...

Business and nothing personal ...

[xetai9977]

Respect to the Israelis. Their weapons are very effective. By the way, in Azerbaijan it has always been. From time immemorial, they have been very good with Jews. And now we have a lot of Jews living and excellent relations between our peoples. What not to say about Iran with their moronic regime. They not only disgust at home to their national minorities, they are so crap for us from the moment of gaining independence. Independent Azerbaijan is like a bone in the throat.

[Finches]

About Iran - here I agree with you - however, that's why the Jews are friends with you, and you are friends with Israel - you have a common enemy!

[padded jacket]

Quote: xetai9977

What not to say about Iran with their moronic regime.

Yes, yes, the most just and the regime exists in Azerbaijan where the local "king" Aliyev decided to sit on the throne all his life
While half of the Azerbaijani people trades Turkish tomatoes and Colombian bananas in the markets in Russia

[xetai9977]

Yes, yes, the most just and the regime exists in Azerbaijan where the local "king" Aliyev.
This is not about democratic regimes. In Russia, to put it mildly, not the triumph of democracy. All countries of the post-Soviet space stand each other in this regard. And your endless market links, too, do not recognize advancement. I don’t refer to drunks on the streets of Moscow, whom I often see when I am there. You won’t meet drunks, for your information. And secondly, you do not like vegetables and fruits, do not buy. Who makes something?

[Kahlan amnell]

Quote: xetai9977

And secondly, you do not like vegetables and fruits, do not buy. Who makes something?

We like fruits and vegetables. Only here is the nuance - if the local producer of fruits and vegetables appears on the market, it very quickly disappears from the market, squeezed out by Azerbaijani dealers. Your honest trade and price competition do not want yours - and they resort to semi-criminal (or even completely criminal) means to crush the markets for themselves. We haven’t been going to the markets for food for a long time — the prices that your sellers have had are too fangy. We ourselves, with friends and neighbors, go to the village and buy directly from the manufacturer - cheaper, better, and friendly relations with the villagers have been established.
And your dealers tried to "explain" to us what should be bought in the markets from them, and not in the village from the manufacturer. They even threatened our friends in the village. Only our men were not timid and quickly explained the "party policy" to your horsemen. Since then everything has been quiet.
So it is better to live in peace and good neighborliness and resolve disagreements peacefully, negotiating. Well, whoever does not want to live in peace and good neighborliness will cease to live at all.

[padded jacket]

Quote: xetai9977

I don’t refer to drunks on the streets of Moscow, whom I often see when I am there. You won’t meet drunks, for your information.

What really all Azerbaijanis drunkards live in Russia?

[xetai9977]

stupid comment

[Cat]

I have 2 drunks living on my street! Russian drunkards and parasites are extinct, but these are at least "henna !!!" In the morning, faithful Muslims, and in the evening ..............!?
One wife drove out (interfered with drinking), got married to some "shmare" drink on a couple! So, don't tell me about the teetotal "Azeri".

[xetai9977]

What really hurt? Drink water helps.

[Turai]

We know and greatly appreciate the attitude of the brotherly Azerbaijani people to the Jewish diaspora

[padded jacket]

Quote: Turai

We know and greatly appreciate the attitude of the brotherly Azerbaijani people to the Jewish diaspora

You would write - Judea and Azerbaijani brothers forever

[Asadullah]

What not to say about Iran with their moronic regime. They not only disgust at home to their national minorities, they are so crap for us from the moment of gaining independence. Independent Azerbaijan is like a bone in the throat.

Uncle, where are you from? Azerbaijan is closer to Iran than anyone on Earth; these are Shiite-Muslim peoples. The Iranian Mejlis presents all nationalities, even Jews, and all religions, even Zoroastrianism. Do you stink because of brain weakness, with transmission to internal organs, or so, for the sake of a red word? If you are a Muslim Sunni, and in this way voice the position of Aliyev, then the history of Iraq will repeat in the Caspian, and you and others like you will be the direct culprits.

[xetai9977]

You still stink. I’m not even aware that you are writing something. Learn the materiel.

[Arameev]

Quote: Asadullah

All nationalities are represented in the Iranian Majlis, even Jews and even Zoroastrianism

it is said as if the Jews are not people at all. and Zoroastrianism is something cannibalistic and extra-planetary. and this is the 21st century.
PS By the way, the peak of the power and prosperity of the Persians was precisely during the rule of Zoroastrianism. but with the advent of Islam, a protracted recession began. no offense. is not it?

[Kryvbas]

I completely agree. My department head is a native of Baku, a wonderful person and specialist, I sincerely respect him. And he speaks of his "prehistoric" homeland in the best way. And he is not the only one who has made a good career.

[padded jacket]

Quote: Krivbass

My department is a native of Baku, a wonderful person and specialist, sincerely respect him

Yes, you have in Israel half of immigrants from somewhere from Azerbaijan, the USA, Ukraine, Russia, Europe, and so on, because you have never lived in large numbers in the Middle East, and almost all Jews in this region are emigrants from other countries.

[MACCABI-TLV]

Quote: Krivbass

I completely agree. My department head is a native of Baku, a wonderful person and specialist, I sincerely respect him. And he speaks of his "prehistoric" homeland in the best way. And he is not the only one who has made a good career.

I have the same full of friends from former Baku People, all cool guys.

[co-creator]

Quote: xetai9977

And now we have a lot of Jews living and excellent relations between our peoples.

BELIEVE)))

[OLD FART]

Quote: Finches

Here's what I like about God's chosen people, their absolute pragmatism and cynicism in business - they’ll put some kind of Palestinian Hezbollah into any weapon if it brings any shekels .... Then they will erase it in the camp ... just dust using carpet bombing and then vparit again ...

I also like Jews for this property ...)))) We "sold" weapons to Azerbaijan for 4 billion, And Israel at times ... !!!! Beauty .. No words! They threw off their rusty dome and paid off ... Well done! Bravo Israel!

[tilovaykrisa]

In vain are you so, the dome is just a good system which proved in real combat conditions, for example, how many of our air defense systems worked not in exercises but in battle ??? The Jews have another feature that I personally like is that they always give an answer, regardless of the consequences and spit on world opinion, not only that some people just snot and express concern.

[OLD FART]

Quote: tilovaykrisa

The Jews have another feature that I personally like is that they always give an answer, regardless of the consequences and spit on world opinion, not only that some people just chew and express concern

You just keep in mind that they cover their lobby in the world .. (and gives them money, like we are not anti-Semites and respect the Holocaust, etc. ....))) And we have to do it in Russia without support! And if they are touched, then such a howl begins, mom do not cry .. Let them be enriched, if only they would not touch us ... in Syria! And I sympathize with Azerbaijan, sincerely .. (Armenians laugh in the mountains ...))))

[Boris Zhitkovsky]

They were allowed to create their own state out of pity. And where they were 2000 thousand years old. Here. For example, Russia formed, grew stronger, expanded. Now Great Country. And Israel. Wherever they wandered, they beat them everywhere. They climbed to where people already lived and announced: we are 2000 thousand years ago, we lived here and went on a run across Eurasia from here. And what they achieved, permanent terrorist attacks. They were, are and will be. And generally they need it. By their deeds and attitude towards them.

[DM51]

Quote: Boris Zhitkovsky

They were allowed to create their own state out of pity. And where they were 2000 thousand years old. Here. For example, Russia formed, grew stronger, expanded. Now Great Country. And Israel. Wherever they wandered, they beat them everywhere. They climbed to where people already lived and announced: we are 2000 thousand years ago, we lived here and went on a run across Eurasia from here. And what they achieved, permanent terrorist attacks. They were, are and will be. And generally they need it. By their deeds and attitude towards them.

You are not right at all, nobody gave anything out of pity to a Jew, they themselves prepared the ground for their return to Palestine. First, they crushed the entire banking sector and health care for themselves, firmly established themselves in the US elite, created powerful lobbies there, all the largest arms manufacturers in the States under the Jews, as well as the RFU, or do you think that the United States pays Israel about 4 per year for aircraft $? And these are only direct tranches, and indirect ones even more. There is no more cunning and pragmatic people, though this only makes it worse for everyone, but they do not care at all

[padded jacket]

Quote: DM51

You are not right at all, nobody gave anything out of pity to a Jew, they themselves prepared the ground for their return to Palestine.

When the Jews were given territory for settlement in Palestine, all that you listed was not yet available and this land was given to them solely out of "pity" because they convinced the victorious countries in the Second World War that they suffered greatly during it and therefore they need a place to to form your country.
That is, the action to educate Israel was a purely political step.

[DM51]

All that I listed was long before the 20th century, and you believe that there is a place for pity in politics and in particular in geopolitics? Is there anyone else here who thinks so?

[Kryvbas]

Come to fight for the independence of Falyastin, since he burns so much lower than his back, a military couch :)))

[Cat]

Yes! Arrived?
Come to live with us, at least humanly! For example, in our Birobidzhan. Normal people, normal relationships. There are no Hisballs, missiles do not fall. Jews thrive!

[padded jacket]

Quote: Krivbass

Come to fight for the independence of Falyastin, since he burns so much lower than his back, a military couch :)))

Oh, how many great soldiers have divorced in the land of Great Israel, and all of them, like our Kryvbas, are sitting at the keyboard of a computer. Apparently they are afraid to go far from the monitor

[Kryvbas]

Vatyanya, I go to Milius regularly and do not sit out at the base. But people like you, besides the war, have little to do on a combat couch :)))

[Kryvbas]

In "milouim", of course - the training camp of the reservists. Glitch from the mobile

[padded jacket]

Quote: Krivbass

Naughty, I go to Milius regularly and don't sit out at the base

Oh, don't be ridiculous, people like you are afraid to stick their "nose" out of the house
You are our great warrior

Quote: Krivbass

I go to Milius regularly

Yes, I understand, I understand your parents are rich, so you go to different bars and go from the army "mow"

[AID.S]

Quote: Boris Zhitkovsky

We climbed to where people already lived and announced: we are 2000 thousand years ago, we lived here and from here went on a race in Eurasia

The Russian Empire, too, was not alien to the desire to return Constantinople .... if not to itself, then to Orthodoxy, and now here, no, no, but they remember periodically about the shield on the gate. By the way, Israel is a unique example of the restoration of statehood, including thanks to Stalin.

[tilix]

25 percent of the population of Iran, at Azerbaijanis and 10 percent of the Kurds. Stop the Iranian conspiracy against the Azerbaijan and Kurdish people. Long live the liberation movements of these freedom-loving peoples!

[Arameev]

Quote: Boris Zhitkovsky

2000 thousand years ago, they lived here and from here went on a race across Eurasia. And what they achieved, permanent terrorist attacks. They were, are and will be. And generally they need it. By their deeds and attitude towards them.

So what? lost the war to the strongest enemy at that time. but they did not bow, like all the others defeated. it was the constant uprisings against the invaders that forced them to evict most of the people and renamed the name, try to destroy the people in dispersion, erase the very memory of Israel. )))) 2000 years !!! such as you drove, killed and still did not succeed))) we are again at home. we are back in our Israel! and you just have to go on go_no in tyrnete)))) am Israel high !!!

[Bayonet]

Quote: STARPER

They threw off their rusty dome and paid off.

Why bother, Starper? Who threw what? "Kupol" effectively works in Israel, stop drinking! Although today is a day off ...

[tilix]

Bravo Israel!

Hooray comrades, Hooray, Hooray, Hooray !!!

[Turai]

Zyablitsev, besides anti-Semitism, it would be good for you to arm yourself with some more elementary knowledge. Then you would know that Azerbaijan has been our strategic partner for many years, including defense cooperation. In recent years, Azerbaijan has bought weapons from us for 5 billion "Baku commissars"

[Finches]

I had no doubt that you are the most intelligent and wise comrade on the site armed with the wisdom of thousands of generations of the Promised Land in all areas of human activity! Therefore, I, a stinking worm, do not dare to enter into dialogue with you, so as not to upset you with my insignificant knowledge ...

If you also can read, then I wrote "I respect God's chosen people" - where did you see anti-Semitism here? And is it not because you are looking for it everywhere, and find, even where it doesn’t even smell, that you yourself are clearly too scornful of other nations, not trying not to hide it?

[Arameev]

Quote: Finches

:
If you also can read, then I wrote "I respect God's chosen people" - where did you see anti-Semitism here? And is it not because you are looking for it everywhere, and find, even where it doesn’t even smell, that you yourself are clearly too scornful of other nations, not trying not to hide it?

show at least one comment of any of the Israelis present here, according to which it would be possible to say your words to all (!) Jews - "too clearly treat other nations with obvious disdain" but quite a few sounded to our address. and you yourself))) in the same sentence you manage to assure you that you have no anti-Semitism and immediately unmotivatedly accuse all the people in a crowd (!) of neglecting the rest))) so who is keeping others around here for d_u_r_a_ko_v ??? ))))

[razved]

Hezbollah is a Lebanese organization. It’s hard to disagree with the rest.

[MACCABI-TLV]

Hezbollah ... if that.

[Kenneth]

And we like such highly moral weapons and both. And when anti-Semites get wiser

[The leader of the Redskins]

But this is serious news! And also unexpected. Now one can imagine a possible confrontation between the Yerevan "sword" and the Baku "shield". The age-old dilemma, which is better ...

[jovanni]

Well. Again the dome over the kumpal! But what about friendship between nations? If not for Russia, the Armenians and Azerbaijanis would have settled each other long ago. And no dome would help ...

[avt]

Quote: Jovanni

! But what about friendship between nations?

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

But this is serious news! Moreover, and unexpected.

I beg of you! What is so cunning, smart, unexpected? Azerbaijan buys what it wants for its money?

[Cat]

If we had something like a "dome" then the cunning Azerbaijanis would pull it free, or for a symbolic price. So you have to buy!

[Yeraz]

Quote: Kotischa

If we had something like a "dome" then the cunning Azerbaijanis would pull it free, or for a symbolic price.

Is it you who beguiled Azerbaijan with Armenia ??? Is it that Azerbaijan received from Russia for free or for a symbolic price ???? Always at the world price and on time.

[Boris Zhitkovsky]

Come on Eraz. For the New Year-holiday, Azerbaijani fruit and vegetable traders. They will increase the prices for fruit and vegetables and beat off the money invested.

[Yeraz]

Quote: Boris Zhitkovsky

Come on Eraz. For the New Year-holiday, Azerbaijani fruit and vegetable traders. Increase prices for fruit and vegetables and

They will send the bribe to the top in the Russian authorities, which are the roof of this whole sphere.
And Azerbaijan’s exports are miserable in the trade balance.
And in markets and in stores, these are goods purchased in third world countries that are sold at inflated prices.

[xetai9977]

Hi Ali. For a long time I am no longer surprised by the complete incompetence of some here. They would only bang the keys, no matter what they write, complete nonsense. When did Azerbaijan receive something from Russia for free? You got it wrong with your "brothers" Armenians. Here they are kept, in fact, at your expense. Keep on like this

[Yeraz]

Quote: xetai9977

Hi Ali.

Hi Gardash.

Quote: xetai9977

I have long been no longer surprised at the complete incompetence of some here.

There are more and more of them)))

[tilovaykrisa]

the contingent of VO has changed a lot and not for the better, especially after the update.

[padded jacket]

Quote: xetai9977

When did Azerbaijan receive something from Russia for free?

Who are you then? Traders in the markets and in shops who tear "three skins" from our pensioners by sticking them with outright rot and old stuff?

[xetai9977]

I personally did not stand behind the counter when I was born. This time. And secondly, let them not buy "rot and old", who is forcing something? You yourself personally go and sell in the markets if you don't like the sellers.

[Cat]

With the collapse of the USSR, only one tank left Azerbaijan with over 1000 units!

[Bayonet]

Quote: xetai9977

When did Azerbaijan receive something from Russia for free?

When was part of the USSR

[vanavatny]

In, you can expect an adequate response from Armenia, in the form of a request for an interest-free loan for 1005500 years to acquire ...

[padded jacket]

Quote: vanavate

in, an adequate response from Armenia can be expected

So Armenia, in spite of its obsolete equipment, and so more than once persecuted Azerbaijanis, in particular, drove them out of Karabakh. So, Armenians without technology and weapons are still stronger than you Azerbaijanis, they are stronger in spirit because behind them is the truth and legal right to these ancient lands .

[vanavatny]

Russia stands behind them and its position, stemming from geographical and political realities, and not the truth, and other slogans on banners, and by the way I’m not very Azerbaijani, even under Emperor Alexander 1, at least there were only Russians in the family, maybe earlier. .. although, judging by the information from the mirror - hardly

[padded jacket]

Quote: vanavate

and by the way, I’m not very Azerbaijani, even under the emperor Alexander 1, at least some Russians were in the family, maybe earlier .. although, judging by the information from the mirror, it’s unlikely

Well, sometimes the quilted jacket is wrong

[Banishing liberoids]

Azerbaijan took the complex "under itself" - to fully defend its territory. Apparently, the service will be carried out by the Jews until they prepare personnel from the local. Time and life will show all its advantages and disadvantages.

[Yeraz]

Quote: Exorcist Liberoids

Apparently, the service will be provided by the Jews until they prepare personnel from local

So the system does not exist in Azerbaijan yet. It is said to ACQUIRE, but not acquired and brought already. We don’t know anything about the delivery dates. Taking into account previous deliveries, usually training is carried out in advance, and then the systems are brought in. That's the same thing.

[Bayonet]

Quote: Exorcist Liberoids

Time and life will show all its advantages and disadvantages.

The effectiveness of the Iron Dome system is estimated at 75-85% (this is an excellent indicator, no air defense / missile defense system shows 100%). In addition, it automatically calculates targets that threaten protected objects (flying by, are simply ignored), which allows you not to waste missiles.

[pan.70]

The next step will be the purchase of weapons from the United States and its allies.

[Yeraz]

Quote: pan.70

The next step will be the purchase of weapons from the United States and its allies.

He won’t. Azerbaijan wanted to acquire different systems from the United States and the West. But they have a ban on the sale of weapons to parties to the conflict i.e. Azerbaijan and Armenia. Germany even blocked Turkey’s self-propelled guns deliveries because they had a GERMAN engine. As a result, the contract was canceled and Azerbaijan bought Msta-S from Russia.
In fact, the United States and the West presented the arms market of Azerbaijan to Russia and Israel.

[padded jacket]

Quote: Yeraz

In fact, the United States and the West presented the arms market of Azerbaijan to Russia.

That is, at any moment Russia can stop the delivery of ammunition and spare parts for sold equipment to Azerbaijan and almost half of your weapons will turn into useless trash?

[Bayonet]

Given the fact that this equipment is sold to other countries, it is not difficult to purchase spare parts and ammunition.

Quote: quilted jacket

spare parts for previously sold equipment and almost half of your weapons will turn into useless trash?

[Banishing liberoids]

By the way, for the Israelis this is the best option. The use of the complex is not in greenhouse conditions, but in a real battle against what Karabakh can strike, and here is the opportunity to evaluate your weapons in action.

[corporal]

That's why they need LCD? The Armenians do not seem to shell their cities from "Grad".
Or shell? Something I did not follow the local news for a long time.

[Mountain shooter]

And that, "Iron Dome" proved to be remarkable, it is not surprising that they buy it. Who is Azerbaijan taking it against? Against "Grad" and "Tornado" of Karabakh? An expensive pleasure. Somewhere I met the cost of the Iron Dome rocket - in the region of $ 5! Oil, of course, has risen in price, but against a massive volley - in the event of real hostilities - it is expensive and will not have time to knock everything down ... his task was to intercept single or not too massive launches of Qassams. This purchase is not clear from a military point of view, at this particular military theater.

[Wiskar]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

An expensive pleasure. Somewhere I met the cost of the Iron Dome rocket - in the region of $ 5!

Yes, not really, considering that the rocket NOT issued if it flies to a wasteland. And if a rocket flies to a populated place, military base, important infrastructure, then the damage from falling is many times higher than the price of a missile.

Quote: Mountain Shooter

all the same, single or not too massive launches of "Kassams" to intercept

She also catches volleys of more than 10 missiles. Yes, and it's not about the box office for a long time. The LCD also knocks down Iranian fajers - 5 and other missiles, and far from just Kassams .. And it can also shoot drones.

In any case, the larger the LCD, the greater the volley it can bring down.

[Yeraz]

Quote: Wiskar

In any case, the larger the LCD, the greater the volley it can bring down.

It seems that the conversation was about 3 batteries ...

[Wiskar]

Quote: Yeraz

It seems that the conversation was about 3 batteries ...

I wonder how many 3 batteries can intercept simultaneously flying targets.
LCDs are constantly being improved. The first launched 2 missiles at the target, now one, many different improvements, etc.

I wonder how many batteries are in Israel - after the ninth silence, it's already been two years.

[MACCABI-TLV]

one battery is 3 launchers of 20 tamirs. 3 batteries of 180 rockets.

[opus]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Somewhere I met the cost of the Iron Dome rocket - in the region of $ 5!

-In the minds of Israelis and in their languages ​​you "met", after that comment from Rafael
-Even 3000 $, but on condition that the difference pays the US budget
Spear. Cheaper than the cheapest NURS.

I will explain:
1. Tamir The length of the Tamir rocket is 3 meters, diameter - 160 millimeters, mass - 90 kilograms, the rocket is equipped with a remote fuse.
/ Compare with Tow or Spike: weight, dimensions (material consumption), price
2.Tamir missile costs Israel US $ 50-90,000, although the Israelis claim the Tamir price is $ 40,000
let it be 40 000 000 USD, so that the pangs from Israel would not be nervous

These numbers are more real than stupid jokes about 5000 $

FOR REFERENCE:
AIM-9 Sidewinder is a supersonic, heat-seeking, air-to-air missile. ... missile.
Supersonic RVV and infrared seeker, air-to-air (easier), progenitor Tamira

Unit cost ranges from USD $ 56,000 to USD $ 84,000 (FY 1999).
in 1999 !!! I remember the dollar was completely different.

BOPS (essentially a piece of expensive iron, without GOS, a data channel) for Merkava costs from 10000 $

3. The US House of Representatives has recommended that Congress include $ 2013 million in the country's defense budget for fiscal year 849, which is planned to be transferred to Israel as military aid, of which $ 680 million for the purchase of several Iron Dome anti-missile systems
the price of one battery is 55 million $ (with American help), or more than 170 $ million (without American help). And so every year with 2016 it’s not yet 10 years old
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Baku will cost $ 80000 spoiler "Tamir" and in the region of $ 150 battery ...
and then if the uncle transatlantic allows (a number of technologies are still the United States).
Well, the Israelis can still give a damn about "no".
With China, they famously crank

[Wiskar]

According to an interview with the colonel of the Israeli army “Ts.” (the name is forbidden to print), the head of the Iron Dome project, to the newspaper Yediot Aharonot, during the Second Lebanon War, about 4000 missiles were fired across Israel, 1000 of which hit settlements. During the war, only direct damage amounted to $ 1,5 billion; the use of the Iron Dome would cost $ 50-100 million. The same can be seen in the operation Cast Lead. Thus, with a long conflict, the cost of missiles is only 3-7% of the cost of possible damage.

[opus]

Quote: Wiskar

According to an interview with the colonel

what?
We Rogozin and this can not wean.
I brought the data.
5000 $ is nonsense. Well, if only at Rafael the staff salary is not $ 30 / per month ... And even that. We must also buy components on Alibaba

Quote: voyaka uh

That is, one city seized for 50,000 dollars saves the state more than 10 million dollars.

all right

[voyaka uh]

"Somewhere I met the cost of the Iron Dome rocket - in the region of $ 5" ///

10 times more expensive. This is an expensive toy. But the Grad gap in the city center may
kill about 10 people. One person (on average from the financial point of view of the state and insurance companies) "costs" about $ 1 million. Well, and the wounded, their treatment.
That is, one city seized for 50,000 dollars saves the state more than 10 million dollars.

[Asadullah]

But the Grad gap in the city center may
kill about 10 people

Dear, you seem to be an intelligent person, with a balanced psyche, why do you write such a smart guy. Completely smart? Don't know what ammunition the simplest MLRS uses? 10 people do you have an average? Then look at the \ experience of New Russia. Half a day of MLRS attack may not kill a single person. People are hiding, well, they don't want to die, you know. For the effectiveness of your "Dome", a separate conversation, against flying metal telegraph poles on pyroxylin, from different points of coordinates, it is quite effective, but for a massive shelling with modern weapons, it will be blown away in the first ten minutes. Even assuming that the carriers will create a dense kinetic grid in opposite directions of attack. There simply will not be enough firepower, the same as throwing a laptop into a swarm of mosquitoes, there will not be enough laptops. But as far as I know, the Israeli Armed Forces do not set the goal of countering such an attack. This means that it is necessary to consider this device from the point of view of its purpose, and not duplicate tales and parables of defense comics.

[voyaka uh]

I, unfortunately, did not find a "smart guy" in your post.
But a ball from Grad once showed me a friend from Haifa. He him
digging out of the wall of his high-rise buildings. This is when J.K. not yet been.

[Asadullah]

I, unfortunately, did not find a "smart guy" in your post.

God bless him, I mean, do you understand the difference between a single Qassam rocket launched with eight hands, or even let it be Fajr from a glass and Bobkat instead of a crane, and a salvo of a full-fledged MLRS? The clever thing is that the "Kupol" is designed for semi-handicraft single shelling, but not for repelling attacks along the front line. In its vague perspective, it can be modified as a universal missile defense facility, but today it is too expensive.

[voyaka uh]

"The clever thing is that the" Dome "is designed for semi-handicraft single shelling" ///

This is not a "smart guy", but your completely wrong ideas.
Hezbollah and Hamas have an arsenal of missiles manufactured in Iran on factory production lines
for all advanced technologies. As a rule, these are Grad class missiles with increased range. And they are for J.K. - The optimal goal, as they fly along the correct ballistic trajectory, which the computer easily calculates.
But on the contrary, Kassams are unbalanced and with crookedly stabilized stabilizers it is DIFFICULT to bring down, as they ... th know where they are flying .
And the Hamas are not a-d-i-oty - they also tried volleys in a wide variety of variations and much more sophisticated than just stupidly firing rockets from one machine.

[Asadullah]

And the Hamas are not a-d-i-oty - they also tried volleys in a wide variety of variations and much more sophisticated than just stupidly firing rockets from one machine.

Well, in another way, or rather with battery fire, they did not try to indulge. As for Hezbaallah, even a few pathetic Fajr launches were completely with missiles, which were specifically broken off with a "hammer", so that it would be impossible to identify Iran's guilt. Everything else is flying self-made, although this self-made one has not been made recently with a grinder with electrical tape. For the "Dome" there is no problem to calculate the flight of the "lamppost", as the fuel burns out faster than it was accompanied by the tracking system, then it falls by inertia. And the defeat of a third of the "pillars", although the Israelis claim 50%, is not due to the characteristics of a piece of this iron, but from the characteristics of the system itself. Which, by the way, is not bad. Well, they don't bomb you with modern weapons, they don't bomb you! And baubles for changing the trajectory of MLRS missiles are quite simple to install and manufacture. And by the way, they are not suitable for salvo fire.

[igor67]

. I keep since 2006

Quote: voyaka uh

I, unfortunately, did not find a "smart guy" in your post.
But a ball from Grad once showed me a friend from Haifa. He him
digging out of the wall of his high-rise buildings. This is when J.K. not yet been.

[Yeraz]

Quote: Asadullah

A half day MLRS attack may not kill a single person. People are hiding, well, they don’t want to die, you know

Well, you, like me, do not know where these LCDs will be located.

[Maz]

Quote: voyaka uh

"Somewhere I met the cost of the Iron Dome rocket - in the region of $ 5" ///
10 times more expensive. This is an expensive toy. But the Grad gap in the city center may

Oh well, but in Israel, on all radio and TV, it trend that a rocket costs fifty thousand bucks? AND ? Shaw, nonsense on state broadcasting? If you make a fool of your own, without embarrassment, then a stranger, and even Muslims, will be fooled just in a kick.

[Bakht]

Cut the dough and nothing more. By the way, I’m interested in what Rogozin stepped into Azerbaijan? It seems to have recently arrived. I guess, but .... I am silent. :-)

[Yeraz]

Quote: Bakht

I guess, but .... I am silent. :-)

Share what’s there. By the way, Rogozin also decided to congestion along the border)))

[Bakht]

So they kind of wrote in the media. He who has eyes, let him see .... :-)

[Yeraz]

Quote: Bakht

So they kind of wrote in the media. He who has eyes, let him see .... :-)

Here you can immediately see the man of the Soviet Union who had contact with people of other nations. It’s just that an Azerbaijani would immediately answer if they saw or heard something there. And then ....

[Bakht]

I used to answer a question with a question. There were many of these in Baku
- Is it true that the Jews answer the question with a question?
“Why do you need to know this?”

[Bakht]

Well, I do not believe that our science and industry have advanced so far ...
http://ru.oxu.az/war/165998

[Yeraz]

Quote: Bakht

Well, I do not believe that our science and industry have advanced so far ...

Well, the key condition in the article NEGOTIATIONS and PRODUCTION is nothing about the creation and, all the more, the scientific potential of Azerbaijan.
They’ll just collect it in Azerbaijan, well, maybe some details will come from Azerbaijan.

[Bakht]

Most likely "screwdriver production". This is what I call the word "vparil".
From Azerbaijan there will be only a label.

[xetai9977]

and then bread. It's better than nothing

[legkostup]

Great news! The first export contract for the dome! More such contracts.

[OLD FART]

Quote: legkostup

Great news! The first export contract for the dome! More such contracts.

While we are wetting the devils in Syria ... are you doing your tricks ...!? Well, everything is as usual ... We will now put the weapons to Hezbollah!

[Bayonet]

Quote: STARPER

.We will now supply Hezbollah with weapons!

Who is WE, Starper and Co?

[1Markus]

Quote: STARPER

We will now deliver Hezbollah weapons!

You (an old startup incorporated ??) have already put Syria, Iran, and Hezbovla into it, now have fun.

[Maz]

Worse, they created them, and Hezbollah and Hamas as a whole flock: their cool Shin BeT, Army Intelligence, Mossad, and even there they saw some grandmothers in the security services budget, but now they don’t know how to destroy them and howl like hailing at hail at staircase wherever possible

[Maz]

HA! have fun with the dome as with your sights for T-72 tanks and buy from the Chinese. The rest will find out how the Jews stabbed Baku and will not even look.

[Idel]

Why does Azerbaijan need this stuff? He showed his complete worthlessness. It was ridiculous to read how Jews perceived the self-destruction of LCD missiles as the destruction of enemy shells)))) Yes, Russia will not supply similar weapons for political reasons, but this is not a reason to buy any garbage

[vanavatny]

the cleaner with al jazeera shared his expert opinion? don’t listen - he's lying ...

[fa2998]

Everything is according to the rules of the Cold War. The USSR (now Russia) arms one side, the West arms the opposing one.
Only we are already in the red, the opponents are already close to the borders of Russia, and both sides are former members of the Union.
I’m more interested in the relations between Georgia and Russia. The Americans have invested well in tearing Christian Georgia away from Russia. But after the departure of clown Saakashvili, there is no process of rapprochement. And Christian Armenia is torn geographically. To drag Georgia to its side, Armenia will get closer!

[garnik]

Everything is according to the rules of the Cold War. The USSR (now Russia) arms one side, the West arms the opposing one.
Only we are already in the red, the opponents are already close to the borders of Russia, and both sides are former members of the Union.
I’m more interested in the relations between Georgia and Russia. The Americans have invested well in tearing Christian Georgia away from Russia. But after the departure of clown Saakashvili, there is no process of rapprochement. And Christian Armenia is torn geographically. To drag Georgia to its side, Armenia will get closer! hi
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The right topic has been raised. I think that Georgia should be in the sphere of Russian interests, it is necessary to return or promise Abkhazia. As far as I know about this side, it was Turkish and it will remain. Turkey has a green light there.

[1Markus]

Quote: fa2998

Christian Georgia from Russia.

Russia is no longer a Christian country, but a "great Muslim" - the end of your Soloviev's quote on zombies

[Nikoha.2010]

Quote: 1Markus

Russia is no longer a Christian country

What religion do you have? Is Europe Christian? Leave Russia alone! I grew up and was brought up in the USSR! And then they taught me:
honor your parents;
do not kill your own kind;
do not steal;
do not commit adultery;
do not give false testimony and so on. Do you also?

[Bakht]

By the way, I'm interested. Let military experts enlighten me. I am reluctant to rummage through the Internet.
My first thought was that it was a response to the Iskanders in Armenia. But, it seems, the Iskanders are guided missiles. And the Iron Dome is against the uncontrollable. Maybe I'm wrong? Radius may be good for little Israel. How many batteries (divisions) are needed to cover significant objects?
Oh, these sizes.
- Moisha, tell me - is Israel a big country or a small one?
- Of course it’s big. If she was small, then she would be called Isik!

[voyaka uh]

J.K. cannot bring down Iskander in any way.

[Maz]

Nda range is not the same.

[Holoy]

Well, Israel is advanced in this thread ...

[Altona]

Quote: Finches

Come on, comrade, sold and sold - I don’t care! Everyone understands everything!

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Only business is nothing personal. First, raspiarit ordinary junk, then vparivat for big money, normal practice. Russian systems are no worse, but in some ways already better.

[Bayonet]

Quote: Altona

Russian systems are no worse, but in some ways already better.

It depends on which, we do not have a similar "Dome".

[Nemo35]

Quote: quilted jacket

Yeah, both Azerbaijanis and Israelis love to trade

Everyone loves to trade.

[Mentat]

Quote: xetai9977

You conducted a survey among Chechens, do they want to live separately or as part of Russia?

There was such a referendum, in March 2003, 88% of the residents of the Chechen Republic voted to remain part of Russia.

[xetai9977]

yeah. This is the same credible referendum as about the "preservation of the Union" Although it is against separatism. Judging by the comments here, some are "against" separatism in Russia, and "for" in relation to Azerbaijan

[Koshak]

I don’t understand why all the "urapatriots" here are alarmed and pee with boiling water? Well, Azerbaijanis are buying, well, from Israel, So what? Yes, even if at least xoxlov, what is it to us? Is this a probable enemy, or what? Yes, "uryakala" is a disease.

[Bayonet]

Quote: Koshak

I don’t understand why all the "urapatriots" here are alarmed and pee with boiling water?

Don’t feed bread, just let it go!

[Kryvbas]

So on any Jewish topics here, many like a quilted jacket "(aka Zhitkovsky) flock to poop, give vent to their inferiority complexes :))))

[Maz]

Well, where are we to the elite, exceptional and special, you even have the usefulness of some kind of trimmed, trimmed roofing felts. Oh yes - kosher. Is sho on a Jewish site bad? or is Hebrew wrong? I missed my native foxes ... and lulia kebabs happen. Go to the synagogue before the rain begins. Pray, read the torus, give it to repair the beit kneset and everything will pass. The poor fellow

[Arameev]

Quote: Maz

Well, where are we to the elite, exceptional and special, you even have the usefulness of some kind of trimmed, trimmed roofing felts. Oh yes - kosher. Is sho on a Jewish site bad? or is Hebrew wrong? I missed my native foxes ... and lulia kebabs happen. Go to the synagogue before the rain begins. Pray, read the torus, give it to repair the beit kneset and everything will pass. The poor fellow

you smar what savvy anti-Semites went)) beit-knesets know))) what, have no luck in Israel? I could not get a job, Ibrew to learn Hebrew at a normal level, and now the soul burns with insult?))) it happens ... lazy people find it difficult everywhere))

[Incvizitor]

Well, let them take a purely defensive system, this is not an escalation of the conflict.

[Mentat]

Quote: xetai9977

yeah. This is the same credible referendum as about the "preservation of the Union" Although it is against separatism. Judging by the comments here, some are "against" separatism in Russia, and "for" in relation to Azerbaijan

I am sure that the vast majority of Russians are very far from internal affairs Azerbaijan and Armenia. This controversial issue is very complex and it is doubtful that some, as you say, for some reason should speak exclusively on one side of it. Another thing is that a military conflict per se is far from being a good thing and needs to be resolved, especially since the territory of this conflict is, frankly, in the zone of interests of Russia, for a number of reasons, including with the so-called non-proliferation of terrorism.
Therefore, the attention of Russia, of course, is drawn to this conflict. But Azerbaijan and Armenia need to resolve it.

As for the referendum in the Chechen Republic of 2003, do you have any objective data about its unreliability, some of the archives of the Azerbaijani special services?

[Yeraz]

Quote: Mentat

As for the referendum in the Chechen Republic of 2003, do you have any objective data about its unreliability, some of the archives of the Azerbaijani special services?

We come from the Caucasus and we know these peoples not by S superstition, but by life. And in the Caucasus everyone knows how Chechens wanted to be with Russia and how Chechens treated and continue to relate to Russia. This Kadyrov can tell tales from TV, and the Chechen’s attitude all people in the Caucasus know.

[Dekabrist]

As I understand it, the next message will be about the sale of something like "Tamuz" to Armenia.

[Mentat]

Quote: Yeraz

and everyone in the Caucasus knows the attitude of the Chechen people

Understandably, it means, after all, not a particularly secret document from the archives of the Azerbaijani special services, hidden from the world, but a collection of works in 100 volumes of “OBS. Volume 45. The Caucasian prisoners of gossip. "

[Kryvbas]

Boris Zhitkovsky,

Uz how do you make up great :))) Does it mean any insult? What about Irkutsk - is it for me to travel 7000 kilometers specifically to clean up some insignificance? :))) If you want to taste Jewish lyuley again (and I don’t doubt that you have already received them), well, if you’re not a rogue, come to Tel Aviv. I can promise that I will deal exclusively with you one on one. Only medical insurance must be issued - it may very well be that you need. Tap in PM when you arrive - I will meet :)))

[Maz]

oh how scary. Shaw, we live in Tel Aviv, address, phone number, come on, I’ll get there by bus from Rishon. let's talk.

[Holoy]

Israel’s missile defense system is by far the most effective missile defense system in the world. This is reality. And the Iron Dome confirmed it ...

But! Do not forget that Israel has several levels of missile defense ... The Iron Dome is Lower level...

I have suspicions that their Average level David Sling missile defense systems and Highest level Hetz PRO systems have advanced technologically very far!

[Bakht]

What's the funniest thing about this "news"?
I got five minutes and I looked at the fastest source on the Internet.

the contract between Israel and Azerbaijan was signed in 2013; As of the beginning of October 2016, weapons were ready for delivery to Azerbaijan

Source: Lifelong Wikipedia

[xetai9977]

hrych,
It seems that those who, as we say, "flowers" in history have really gathered here)) Do you know that Iran itself has been a predominantly Turkic state for 800 years? Ask what language was the state language during the Safavid Empire. The Persian Shah appeared there already in the 20th century, when the British and the Russians brought the sergeant Rzu Pahlavi to power. By the way, Rza himself spoke excellent Azerbaijani. There is a video on the u-tube where he speaks with Ataturk in Azerbaijani. Follow the iron rule - never say what you do not know about. I understand that you are all talking only because you want to whitewash the aggressor at all costs. But what this gives Russia and you is not clear. Continue in the same spirit.

[garnik]

It seems that those who, as we say, "flowers" in history have really gathered here)) Do you know that Iran itself has been a predominantly Turkic state for 800 years? Ask what language was the state language during the Safavid Empire. The Persian Shah appeared there already in the 20th century, when the British and the Russians brought the sergeant Rzu Pahlavi to power. By the way, Rza himself spoke excellent Azerbaijani. There is a video on the u-tube where he speaks with Ataturk in Azerbaijani. Follow the iron rule - never say what you do not know about. I understand that you are all talking only because you want to whitewash the aggressor at all costs. But what this gives Russia and you is not clear. Continue in the same spirit.
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And before the Safavid Empire, where was the Persian Empire? This people is more than 4000 years old. Under the Safavid Empire, the military nobility was mainly Turkic-speaking. And the rest of the economy was in the hands of the Persians.

[Scorpio05]

Dear Garnik. Before the Safavids, Afsharov, Kajar, i.e., the Turkic Shah dynasties, there were also Atabeks, Seljuks, Karakoyunlu and Akkoyunlu all Turkic-Turkic empires (dynasties), which for centuries ruled over a vast territory, almost all of front Asia, most of Asia Minor, including all of Iran , Iraq, all of Mesopathy in general, and the Levant, Anatolia, part of India. A huge territory from the Persian Gulf, Bahrain, Kashmir, Bengal to the Black Sea and the North Caucasus.

[xetai9977]

co-creator,. You did not exist before 1917.
Yeah, there was a clean field. And the Martians were playing golf here.

[Holoy]

Azerbaijan is taking serious steps to build up its military power. Armenia has more modest opportunities. Russia cannot definitely take sides. Therefore, let the Armenians and Azerbaijanis agree without a war. The war will only aggravate the situation ...

[merivoy]

Well, yes, Azerbaijan has much more potential. Russia should not take one side to the detriment of the other. We did not choose neighbors. It is a pity that both of these sides do not understand this.

[garnik]

[b] consanguineous [
you don’t put pressure on pity. We see your brotherhood in real life. For you to die and fight in the Russian Federation there are no more fools.

I’m more than fifty dollars, I ask for YOU, especially from you. Although I try to be neutral according to the comments. You don’t need all to fit in one comb ... For your information, about 200 Armenians of Karabakh fought in Chechnya, of course on the side of the federals. And in the 2nd, in Chabanmakhi and Karamahi. Aliev, in my opinion, my father protested against this. Calling this, interference in the internal affairs of Russia. And the volunteers are neighbors on the other side. Write about the fraternity from yourself. Patriots of Russia fought for Armenia, everything is in order with memory.

[Berserks]

"designed to protect against unguided tactical missiles with a range of 4 to 70 kilometers."
And why is she needed, in general?
It won't save you from Iskander and Tochki.

[voyaka uh]

Why Azerbaijan needs the Iron Dome is also not very clear to me.
This is a specific system developed by Israel against a specific threat:
launches of single or small packs of disguised Grad missiles from
densely populated areas where it is difficult to load launchers and it is difficult to deliver a point strike.
I would advise Azerbaijan to buy 20-30 used F-16s, which are hung with excellent avionics and work well on the ground. Of course, training pilots and maintaining aircraft is a troublesome business, but it is a flexible solution against many threats.

[Parsec]

Darkness. In addition to intestinal-acoustic phenomena in the puddle, you can also cry, but how! At the international level, carriers of nuclear weapons, and dozens!
What are SIPRI, what is the NSA, 10 GU General Staff and other small offices ... And adults are like people.

[Maz]

you still advise not to do kickbacks. Then maybe good will come out. The dark deal. It smells of bribery, already stinks. so by Jews.

[Berserks]

F-16 will be difficult to buy. The US veto on the sale of weapons in Azerbaijan has long been introduced, if only licensed from Turkey

[voyaka uh]

I don’t know. But now in many countries there is a gradual replacement of the F-16
on the F-35. There will be many of them on the used market. A plane is successful, especially for work on the ground.
If you think that I am trying to "sell" Israeli ones, then this is not the case: they are very elaborate, with a huge flight time. There are more "fresh" ones in Europe.

[Mentat]

Quote: Holoy

Israel’s missile defense system is by far the most effective missile defense system in the world. This is reality. And the Iron Dome confirmed it ...

But! Do not forget that Israel has several levels of missile defense ... The Iron Dome is Lower level...

I have suspicions that their Average level David Sling missile defense systems and Highest level Hetz PRO systems have advanced technologically very far!

Tell me, why do not you write all the texts about the Israeli missile defense system in capital letters and in bold? So the importance, advancement and steepness of them will be completely obvious!

[Holoy]

Quote: Mentat

Tell me, why do not you write all the texts about the Israeli missile defense system in capital letters and in bold? So the importance, advancement and steepness of them will be completely obvious!

If you look at my Comments on Capital Letters, you will understand that Israel has nothing to do with it. This is My Style ... in the internet at all ...

I have sympathies for the political system of Israel, yes. I never hid it. Although this country is not perfect, but it is interesting to me ... And not only it ... In football, for example, I like the British style, but it is not practiced in many places, so I have to watch Scotland ... Russian I’m not interested in football. I loved the USSR Championship!
Уsatisfied your curiosity ???

[Arameev]

Quote: Asadullah

... faith is the movement of awareness towards the point of the unconscious.

faith is a kind of antithesis to knowledge. or you believe, or you know.

Unfortunately, the faith of today, any of the faiths, is running on the spot, and in order for this running on the spot not to plunge believers into despondency and disappointment, the priests invented a dynamo to generate useful energy in society. And billions stomp ... with the confidence that not just

in other words, simplifying - priests using ignorance of people, but their faith live happily ever after.

[Warchild_83]

Just some kind of feast

[Maz]

Quote: Arameev

Quote: hirurg

I'm afraid that for a more or less serious weapon, the Zherezny dome will turn into a holey drushlag.

and I believe that Azerbaijan has a rare opportunity to combine Western technologies with Russian ones and, as a result, get a level of defense that cannot be achieved either by the West or by Russia. to add to the "dome" the Russian "Pantsir" or other modern anti-aircraft system using artillery - I think it will turn out cool.

Yeah, and confuse the logistics of supply even more, according to armament standards, and then pay for the service with the same trimmed and exclusive.

[Maz]

[quote = Maz] [quote = Turai] Surgeon, and do not be afraid, but check the data, and then you will see that the efficiency of the Dome is 85-90%. [/ quote]
My daughter was on duty behind the monitor of the output of air traffic data at Khotser, the Air Force base, when we were hollowed out from Gaza by hail. He says that he flew and flew four times more than the media reported. And not a damn thing went astray. At Hocer, three F16 were disabled as a result of the shelling. - And neither the gugu and the bale did not save the planes. So sho do not need Lalya gentlemen sophisticated.

[1Markus]

Quote: Maz

At Hocer, three F16 were disabled as a result of the shelling. - And neither the gugu and the bale did not save the planes. So sho do not need Lalya gentlemen sophisticated.

Do not talk nonsense to the masses, "comrade", you should be in the correspondents of the Syrian media, they have already "shot down" 20 thousand helicopter planes of flying saucers ...

[Maz]

Quote: Finches

Here's what I like about God's chosen people, their absolute pragmatism and cynicism in business - they’ll put some kind of Palestinian Hezbollah into any weapon if it brings any shekels .... Then they will erase it in the camp ... just dust using carpet bombing and then vparit again ...

So the Jews w = the main loot, and the client vparit at least sho, just to pay.

[Scorpio05]

Arameev,
Do you know you repeat, a set of propaganda bogeymen of Armenians for tourists, a popular history on the globe of Armenia) What actually did the Armenian scientists themselves assert about that "ancient" Armenia, etc.? For a better understanding, I will quote the Armenian scholars: Armenian historian Manuk Abegyan): “What is the origin of the Armenian (Khay) people, how and when, where and by what means did they come to these places, with which tribes they were connected before they became“ Armenians ”and after, who and how influenced the language and ethnic composition of this people? We do not have in our hands accurate and reliable information that would confirm these questions ”(http://gazetasng.ru/news/show/2443.html).
“History of Armenia”. In the book “History of the Armenian people” it is noted that “no one has yet proved that Tigran, Artashes, Artavazd (tsars, so-called. Of“ ancient Armenia ”) others were Armenians” (p. 80).
“The true homeland of the Armenians ... Asia Minor, i.e. "Outside Russia and with the exception of a few purely Armenian provinces in Transcaucasia (primarily in the Irevan province), Armenians settled in various parts of the Caucasus only during the last centuries." (V. Ishkhanyan. Peoples of the Caucasus. St. Petersburg, 1916, p. 18).
The geographic region “Armenia” is indicated on the “ancient” map in the Coliseum, which does not say anything about the state of Armenia and does not explain how this all relates to the Khay people who moved there much later, which we are now used to calling Armenians at the place of their last residence .
In fact, the beloved pearl of Armenians, supposedly Armenia was already fed up with the times in Rome. The most common Armenian propaganda trick with maps of the Roman Empire (Via dei Fori Imperiali), placed on the wall of the Coliseum in Rome, where Armenia is indicated.
These maps show the territories of the Roman Empire and neighboring regions from 146 BC. and until the year 14 CE However, at the same time it is silent that these are not “ancient maps”, but only a modern concrete model attached to the Coliseum’s wall in order to acquaint visiting tourists with the area of ​​Ancient Rome.
Armenian authorities and scholars refer to these maps as supposedly a reliable source of existence of “Great Armenia” over 2000 years ago.
As in that poll of the Armenian radio. "Ara, but we have good brandy" ... but ... Armenia was in the days of Rome)) There was also the state of Etruscans, Carthage, Parthia. Even earlier there were Babylon, Assyria, Sumer, Akkad and other non-existent states. Great Britain, Germany, Italy, Russians as a nation and most other European countries and peoples in general did not exist. I won't talk about the USA)

[garnik]

Funny to tears. As always invented "historians". With the title of books and even a link to the pages. And you read.

[Arameev]

Quote: Scorpio05

Arameev,
You know, you repeat, a set of propaganda bogeys of Armenians for tourists, popular history on the globe of Armenia))

I repeat the story that I learned in school, at a time when Azerbaijanis and Armenians lived in perfect harmony. and the blizzard that "historians" from both sides are carrying now - somehow does not inspire confidence in me.

[Scorpio05]

Quote: Arameev

Armenian historian Manuk Abeghyan): “What is the origin of the Armenian (Hai) people, how and when, where and by what ways did they come to these places, with what tribes were they connected before they became“ Armenians ”and after, who and how influenced language and ethnic composition of this people? We do not have accurate and reliable information on our hands that would confirm these issues ”(http://gazetasng.ru/news/show/2443.html).
“History of Armenia”. In the book “History of the Armenian people” it is noted that “no one has yet proved that Tigran, Artashes, Artavazd (tsars, so-called. Of“ ancient Armenia ”) others were Armenians” (p. 80).
“The true homeland of the Armenians ... Asia Minor, i.e. "Outside Russia and with the exception of a few purely Armenian provinces in Transcaucasia (primarily in the Irevan province), Armenians settled in various parts of the Caucasus only during the last centuries." (V. Ishkhanyan. Peoples of the Caucasus. St. Petersburg, 1916, p. 18).
The geographic region “Armenia” is indicated on the “ancient” map in the Coliseum, which does not say anything about the state of Armenia and does not explain how this all relates to the Khay people who moved there much later, which we are now used to calling Armenians at the place of their last residence .
In fact, the beloved pearl of Armenians, supposedly Armenia was already fed up with the times in Rome. The most common Armenian propaganda trick with maps of the Roman Empire (Via dei Fori Imperiali), placed on the wall of the Coliseum in Rome, where Armenia is indicated.
These maps show the territories of the Roman Empire and neighboring regions from 146 BC. and until the year 14 CE However, at the same time it is silent that these are not “ancient maps”, but only a modern concrete model attached to the Coliseum’s wall in order to acquaint visiting tourists with the area of ​​Ancient Rome.
Armenian authorities and scholars refer to these maps as supposedly a reliable source of existence of “Great Armenia” over 2000 years ago.

Armenian historian Manuk Abeghyan): “What is the origin of the Armenian (Hai) people, how and when, where and by what ways did they come to these places, with what tribes were they connected before they became“ Armenians ”and after, who and how influenced language and ethnic composition of this people? We do not have accurate and reliable information on our hands that would confirm these issues ”(http://gazetasng.ru/news/show/2443.html).
“History of Armenia”. In the book “History of the Armenian people” it is noted that “no one has yet proved that Tigran, Artashes, Artavazd (tsars, so-called. Of“ ancient Armenia ”) others were Armenians” (p. 80).
“The true homeland of the Armenians ... Asia Minor, i.e. "Outside Russia and with the exception of a few purely Armenian provinces in Transcaucasia (primarily in the Irevan province), Armenians settled in various parts of the Caucasus only during the last centuries." (V. Ishkhanyan. Peoples of the Caucasus. St. Petersburg, 1916, p. 18).
The geographic region “Armenia” is indicated on the “ancient” map in the Coliseum, which does not say anything about the state of Armenia and does not explain how this all relates to the Khay people who moved there much later, which we are now used to calling Armenians at the place of their last residence .
In fact, the beloved pearl of Armenians, supposedly Armenia was already fed up with the times in Rome. The most common Armenian propaganda trick with maps of the Roman Empire (Via dei Fori Imperiali), placed on the wall of the Coliseum in Rome, where Armenia is indicated.
These maps show the territories of the Roman Empire and neighboring regions from 146 BC. and until the year 14 CE However, at the same time it is silent that these are not “ancient maps”, but only a modern concrete model attached to the Coliseum’s wall in order to acquaint visiting tourists with the area of ​​Ancient Rome.
Armenian authorities and scholars refer to these maps as supposedly a reliable source of existence of “Great Armenia” over 2000 years ago.

[Arameev]

Quote: Scorpio05

Quote: ArameevArmenian historian Manuk Abeghyan): “What is the origin of the Armenian (Hai) people, how and when, where and by what ways did they come to these places, with what tribes were they connected before they became“ Armenians ”.

respected! Please make your posts more understandable. otherwise you get "my quotes")))

[Scorpio05]

The main point is clear)

[Scorpio05]

Quotation: blooded man

Quote: xetai9977

what would you take Karabakh which I agree belongs to Azerbaijan but it happened.

who was taken from? Do the Persians? What do you have to do with it. You did not exist before 1917.

The biggest ethnic group of the whole Caucasus and the North and South was not?))
Kurekchay Peace Treaty
The treaty, signed by the Karabakh Khan Ibrahim and the Russian Empire on May 14, 1805, clearly demonstrates that the empire occupied Azerbaijan territory. In this document there is not a single mention of the existence of Armenian residences in Karabakh and their transfer to the subordination of Russia.

IN THE NAME OF ALMIGHTY GOD
We, i.e. Ibrahim Khan Shushinsky and Karabakh and All-Russian troops general from infantry, the Caucasian Inspectorate inspector for infantry, and so on. Prince Pavel Tsitsianov, with complete urine and authority given to me from His Imperial Majesty, my all-merciful great G. And Alexander Pavlovich, proceeding with God's help to the matter of the entry of Ibrahim Khan Shushinsky and Karabakh with all his family, offspring and possessions into the eternal citizenship of the All-Russian Empire and now happily reigning the great G.I. Alexander Pavlovich and His high successors, concluded, decided and signed on the following articles: There are 11 articles in total, I do not want to cite all the articles ...

[Scorpio05]

Before the Turkmenchay world, the population of the Irevan khanate was 3/4 Muslim

In the Erivan region, exhausted and previously burdensome oppression and oppression of the Sardar and under our government hitherto freed from all pay taxes, we managed to arouse displeasure between the Muhammadans, who make up 3/4 of the total population, and they already regretfully recall the management of the Sardar. "(See .: Attitude of Count Paskevich to the Chief of the General Staff, E.I.V., dated April 2, 1828, No. 51. Acts Collected by the Caucasian Archaeographic Commission, Archive of the Main Directorate of the Caucasian Deputy Governor, Volume VII. D. Berger (Tiflis: Printing house of the head office of the Caucasian governor, 1878), Document No. 438, p. 488.)

Details: https://regnum.ru/news/polit/1381675.html Any use of materials is allowed only if there is a hyperlink to REGNUM IA.

[Butchcassidy]

Quote: xetai9977

And the role of the 366th Russian regiment in the destruction of the city of Khojaly along with its civilians is also well known.

Will you talk about "the whole world (tm) knows" again? Why don't you specify that "the whole world" (tm) is mainly inhabited by the Internet domain .az?

And never write anywhere that the regiment of the 366th regiment consisted of almost 100% of the Armenians who had gone AWOL and refused to carry out their Russian commander when they left to fight on the side of the Armenians of Stepanakert? By the way, conclusions were drawn that it became practically impossible for a person with an Armenian surname to join the Russian army in Yerevan or Gyumri, just to limit the situation when people refuse to fulfill the order to retreat in the event of a possible escalation of the conflict.

I'm not even talking about such a "trifle" that an officer from this regiment now holds the post of Minister of Defense of Armenia? Don't write this anywhere, but everywhere you explicitly emphasize - they say, look, it was the Russians who helped the Armenians, therefore, together with all the Dushman rabble from Chechnya and Afghanistan, they piled on us in full. This is how the French talk about "General Moroz" fighting on the side of the Russians, but the elements are easier to lose than Russian soldiers of flesh and blood. So it is here: it is easier for the Russian supermarines to "lose" than the Armenians of Stepanakert. Despite the fact that it was the Russian paratroopers led by Shamanov who fought on the side of Baku in that war, which, incidentally, explained the success in the offensive of Baku.

They forgot in Baku that the Armenians of the NKAO are a special people. What was the village of Chardakhlu, the Armenian population of which gave the Russian Imperial Army and the Red Army a large number of generals and senior officers, as well as two (!) Marshals - Marshal of the Soviet Union I. Baghramyan and Chief Marshal of Armored Forces A. Babajanyan. After 1991, the village suffered the same fate as the Armenian-populated villages of the NKAO after the "Ring" operation, during which the Armenian population was deported.

So fables like a "Russian tanker" are being invented from a no-name "eyewitness".

[Lekxnumx]

Yes, in these tales that the Russians occupied Karabakh, every second azanets believes. Well, pride does not allow a loss from the Armenians. It’s just pride, but Russia occupies Karabakh so good, just understand then it’s not a shame. such a nation called az-tsu, there is simply a hodgepodge of peoples of the Turks, Lezghins, Talysh, Tat, Kurds, Tsakhurs, Budukhs,
Udins, and so on and so forth. It’s just the time of such praise of Turkism as a politician. And Karabakh could not be and is not the original land of the Az Tsevs of Turks or Armenians. Before our era, Persians and Caucasian peoples inhabited it are not Turks and Armenians. That's when in Az they don’t recognize that one third of their blood is at least Persian then yes. Azerbaijanis generally the name of the country is the Persian word fire, of course, the morons will prove that there are no Turkish words, but they won’t be able to explain if the Turks came to the Caucasus at 10-13 centuries (if you believe the culture and description of the Transcaucasian Turks Kitabi dede Gorgud), and the word is formed from the toponym Atropaten, then what kind of Turks are you talking about? They can write to you allegedly about the Turkic tribes from the time of Caucasian Albania, ask for a source, it will be an Azian historian and none of I have not heard of neutral historians about these tribes. And neutral historians and linguists, Germans and Georgians, have long studied the manuscripts of those times, which are perfectly readable even by the modern Udi language. they want and prickly come up with everything in falsifying the history of Az-tsu and the Armenians are worthy rivals, they are standing each other. They perfectly reveal the falsifications of each other, sometimes they just need to read and draw conclusions. That's the same with the Russian occupying Karabakh, there were Russians both side.

[Operator]

Azerbaijanis are Semites (their genotype on 57% consists of haplogroups J1 and J2), assimilated in the 10th century by Turkmens


Azerbaijanis are a newcomer, the Caucasian haplogroup G in their genotype is less than 3 percent.

[Scorpio05]

Again, the favorite argument of Armenians about the marshals went into action)) It's like the last army of Venk, after the Armenian brandy, Kim Kardashian, Sher and so on. Your appetite is not weak, my friend. The eternal desire of Armenians to include in the notorious "Artsakh" any former Armenian settlement, regardless of whether it is in the Shamakhi region, like the village of Madras, 350 km away. from Karabakh or Chardakhly located 300 km. from the same Karabakh, and between Chardakhly and Karabakh there are still approximately 650 people of the Azerbaijani population of the Goranboy region, the city of Ganja (the second largest Azerbaijani city) and the Shamkir region, in which the village of Chardakhly is actually located. By the way, I will not expand on the marshals and their dignity, in one of the forums of the Military Review there was a detailed description of the story of a bottle of water from the Baltic Sea delivered back to the "valiant" Marshal Baghramyan on behalf of Stalin, indicating what to do with it and another equally "great" military leader Khudyakov (Khanferyants), who was shot on charges of espionage. By the way, Baghramyan received the jubilee marshal title in 000 under the patronage of Mikoyan. A separate story about Isakov, an Armenian-Estonian half-breed, who was raised by an Estonian single mother. But the main thing is not even this, it is surprising how the Armenians managed to hide such "outstanding" military leadership talents for ten centuries? They manifested themselves only when the Russians appeared in the Transcaucasus, who initially relied on the Armenians as an allegedly loyal Christian people, and then with the help of Mikoyan's light hand, the Armenians continued to spill the military field in the upper zones of the Red Army.

[garnik]

https://shkolazhizni.ru/culture/articles/45086/
132 generals of the Russian army of Armenian descent, not counting the officers below the rank.
If you want to belittle the role of man in history, you can always find a reason. A lot of things were written about Zhukov and what.? As a marshal, he remained. Poor (Anastas) Mikoyan, for some reason he is not particularly respected at home. Half of the commanders of the Byzantine Empire were Armenians. During the Ottomans, Christians did not have the right to carry weapons.

[Scorpio05]

Do you know why A. Mikoyan is not loved in Armenia?
That is why: May 22, 1919 Anastas Mikoyan in a telegram to V.I. Lenin noted: “The Dashnaks, agents of the Armenian government, are seeking accession of Karabakh to Armenia. But for the people of Karabakh, this would mean losing their source of life in Baku and contacting Erivan, with which they were never connected with anything. The Armenian peasantry at the fifth congress decided to join Azerbaijan. ” (The Central Party Archive of the Institute of Marxism-Leninism under the Central Committee of the CPSU - CPA IML, f. 461, op. 1, unit credit 4525, l. 1.)

And here the theses of the report of the member of the Caucasus regional committee of the RCP (b) A. Mikoyan “Towards the Caucasus issue” 1, http://armtoday.info/default.asp?Lang=_Ru&NewsID=
110016
Our party can not stand for either "Great", or for "Small", or for any Turkish Armenia. After all, the right to self-determination of nations is not historical 4 for her, but a real 4 right of the people existing in practice (!) Mikoyan wrote this!
4. The Armenian chauvinists, relying on the support of Allied imperialism and the Black-Hundred General Denikin, still cherish the chimeric, which has become criminal, idea of ​​creating "Great Armenia" in its historical limits from the Black Sea to almost the Mediterranean, consisting of seven vilayets. The absence of Armenians and the presence of an exclusively Muslim population in this territory does not bother them. “Great Armenia” may not rely on the will of the majority of the population, but will be imposed on it by the power of imperialist weapons, be planted with blood and iron on the heaps of ruins and innocent corpses of “foreigners” by clearing “Armenia” of “criminal elements”, from Muslims. The program to create such a hell and a nightmare of violence is successfully supported by allied imperialism, hoping in the person of the Armenians to find the best, most capable and loyal agents of its own, through which he wants to rob Turkey, turning it into a colony, into the sphere of application of the financial capital of the allies.
That's how the citizens are Armenians. The clever man was Mikoyan.

[Scorpio05]

The plan of the Armenians, developed according to Mikoyan by foreign or rather western centers, did not work in Turkey, but it works (so far) in Karabakh with amazing accuracy predicted by Mikoyan. Just as he described: brutal ethnic cleansing and massacres of Azerbaijanis in Karabakh and surrounding purely Azerbaijani regions, territorial seizures. Here is one thing ... Russia is voluntarily and involuntarily involved in these plans of the very Western imperialist centers (here again, according to Mikoyan, in essence, this is the case at present) and helps to implement them, including by the strength of their weapons ...

[Butchcassidy]

Quote: Scorpio05

The plan of the Armenians, developed according to Mikoyan by foreign or rather western centers, did not work in Turkey, but it works (so far) in Karabakh with amazing accuracy predicted by Mikoyan. Just as he described: brutal ethnic cleansing and massacres of Azerbaijanis in Karabakh and surrounding purely Azerbaijani regions, territorial seizures. Here is one thing ... Russia is voluntarily and involuntarily involved in these plans of the very Western imperialist centers (here again, according to Mikoyan, in essence, this is the case at present) and helps to implement them, including by the strength of their weapons ...

Don’t tell stories. About ethnic cleansing, tell those Armenians who lived in Sumgait and Baku, as well as Russians who left in 3 days under the slogans: Russians, do not leave! We need r.a.by and pros.s.t.it.tuki!

[Scorpio05]

As for slaves and prostitutes, did the Armenian radio whisper to you?)) This is how the Russian population left, that, with all the adverse economic and political factors (instability, war, a series of coup attempts), several hundred thousand Russians and Slavs in general remain in Azerbaijan to this day. A huge number of schools and universities leading training in Russian. It should be borne in mind that the Azerbaijani population in the 90s, and even then by inertia, itself actively emigrated from Azerbaijan due to the same factors. Now let me ask how many Russians are left in Armenia? In this, in fact, mono-ethnic state.

[Butchcassidy]

Quote: Scorpio05

Now let me ask how many Russians are left in Armenia?

According to official figures, about 12 thousand people, most of whom live in Armenia, have been living there since the 19th century.
Most left Armenia for economic reasons, the effects of the earthquake and war.

You can gibber about this subject as much as you want (there’s no need for a lot of mind), General Lebed clearly and concretely described what they were doing with the NFA and other evil spirits, including against Russians.

[Scorpio05]

So half)

[Butchcassidy]

Your friend’s appetite is not weak. The eternal thirst of the Armenians to include in the notorious "Artsakh" any former Armenian-populated point, regardless of whether it is in the Shamakhi region, like the village of Madras, 350 km away. from Karabakh or Chardakhly located 300 km. from the same Karabakh, and between Chardakhly and Karabakh another 650 people are the Azerbaijani population of the Goranboy region, the city of Ganja (the second largest city in Azerbaijan) and the Shamkir region, in which the village of Chardakhly is actually located.

And you do not confuse the artificial borders of the former NKAR and Karabakh, as well as the territories inhabited by Armenians and members of the modern Azerbaijan Republic. Even in the encircled borders of the NKAR, as in Nakhichevan, a policy was carried out to change the ethnic balance of the region, which in Nakhichevan ended with the complete de-re-activation of the region, as well as the fact that medieval cross-stones were soldiers of Az.R. smash with sledgehammers, and cross roads with cross-stones.

[garnik]

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------------------------- Everything is correct, only the border between Armenia and Caucasian Albania was along the Kura River. In the 4th century after the adoption of Christianity by Armenia, the Persians ( Zoroastrians), having conquered the territory of Karabakh and the lands surrounding it, transferred Albania, at that time to an ally and vassal of Persia. Before the adoption of Christianity by the Armenians, affairs with the Persians were normal, but now it’s not bad. But this is so in the past. So far, protect your homes and themselves from assimilation, and there it will be seen.

[Lekxnumx]

garnik Before the Persians joined Karabakh to Albania, the Persians themselves and non-Indo-European peoples (not Armenians) and not Altaians (Az-ts) lived there, it’s not me who says Robert Husen. Don’t worry about us, assimilation is a good thing on the one hand. Rats first they leave the sinking ship, the strongest survive nature and the weak ones disappear. If Lezgin wakes up in one day with an Az-Cem or Armenian or Russian, then he was not Lezgin. If a person assimilates under various factors, it means that before that he was an empty place and filled this void a new culture, it means that his parents were an empty place and did not set an example to their child what it would be like to be a Lezgin. Is there a big loss? from the fact that the emptiness assimilated? I think not! Today in the circle of the Az-tsev he is Az-Nets, tomorrow in the Russian circle he is Russian , he is an American in the circle of Americans. If an Azim-Nets assimilated into a Lezgin, I would not be happy about this, it’s just an indication that one more idiot has become more among us, exactly the opposite. My people are He didn’t go around for all the centuries of his existence, and what’s the result? They accepted Christianity forcibly imposed, Islam forcedly imposed, but all this did not prevent us from preserving our unique pre-religious customs and beliefs. CONCLUSION? The main thing is not quantity but quality, and this was, is and will be with my people. HISTORY SHOWN.

[Vyazemsky partisan]

[quote = xetai9977] And who said that this is your land - only you alone!
I am amazed how you are completely out of topic! Have you heard about the Karabakh Khanate? and about the Yerevan Khanate, by the way. Have you heard somewhere about the Christian KHANATE.? Do you know that Yerevan itself was a Turkic (Azerbaijani) city? Here is a picture of a Russian artist - "Russian troops enter the Erivan fortress". Did you know that Dagestan was once Christian ???? Until the Muslims came and began to plant their faith, through persecution, death, punishment! ??? So it is with you with the Turks, you Christian Armenia as a thorn in the eye .... or again is it all fiction ?? Again, just a dispute about territories ??

[Butchcassidy]

Pictures [quote = Vyazemsky partisan] [quote = xetai9977]
Here is a picture of a Russian artist - "Russian troops enter the Erivan fortress". [/ quote]

All the same, the picture of Vereshchagin should not be taken as a historical document.

[Mentat]

Quote: Yeraz

Quote: Mentat

As for the referendum in the Chechen Republic of 2003, do you have any objective data about its unreliability, some of the archives of the Azerbaijani special services?

We come from the Caucasus and we know these peoples not by S superstition, but by life. And in the Caucasus everyone knows how Chechens wanted to be with Russia and how Chechens treated and continue to relate to Russia. This Kadyrov can tell tales from TV, and the Chechen’s attitude all people in the Caucasus know.

You come from the Caucasus and you know? .. Dear visitor of the forum, you know, if you approach from such positions, we can say that Russia knows how to slaughter each other in the Caucasus for centuries, and you and Armenia are far from the first in your very, very important brawl . Such answers are convenient for FAQ, but not useful for building relationships. With such an attitude you will not go far, and it would be useful for you, as a resident of a country participating in the conflict, to learn to look at things constructively in order to achieve something practical, and not to shake up the air and gossip.
By the way, I answered your previous question with the fact that you preferred gossip. Does such a personal attitude include, in particular, the protractedness of your difficulties?

[Butchcassidy]

Quote: Scorpio05

The eternal desire of the Armenians to include any former Armenian settlement in the notorious "Artsakh", regardless of whether it is located in the Shamakhi region, like the village of Madras, 350 km away. from Karabakh or Chardakhly located 300 km. from the same Karabakh

It is not necessary to perceive the historical and geographical region exclusively in the form of an artificially created NKAO, the Karabakh khanate, headed by Panah Ali Khan, had a capital in general in Ganja. Will you say that Ganja is also outside of Karabakh?

[Scorpio05]

Are you Butch?) Leave for a while aside the globe of Armenia)) What does Ganja have to the Karabakh Khanate? Ganja had its own khanate - Ganja!
The last ruler of this khanate was Javad Khan Ziyadoglu - Kajar from the glorious Azerbaijani dynasty Ziyadoglu-Kajar. The sovereign with a capital letter! He fought along with his three sons and died with them defending the city (only one of them survived). The wife of the khan also participated in the battle, who fought in armor next to her husband and sons. We have a saying. Aslanin dishisi, erkeyi olmur. Means: lions do not have a division into men or women. I deliberately do not use the words male, etc., which would be a literal translation, to these worthy overlords, defenders of their people and state. This happened during the siege, or rather the assault on Ganja by the Russian army, which significantly surpassed the strength of the Ganja in terms of numbers and technical equipment, as they would say now. Such was the fate and responsibility of the real rulers of that time, the feudal lords, whose lives were often statistically much shorter than the lives of their vassals and subjects. By the way, the owner of all Karabakh, Ibrahim-Khalil, was an enemy of Javad Khan. Discord however. Almost Poland at the same time) The Karabakh khan Ibrahim-Khalil, together with the Kartli (Georgian) king Irakli repeatedly tried to storm Ganja.
Here is a good article about the last Ganja Khan.
http://www.anl.az/down/meqale/bakrabochiy/2010/ya
nvar / 103353.htm

[Butchcassidy]

It meant the Karabakh escapism, and not the khanate.

[Butchcassidy]

Quote: Pirogov

What do you propose to leave Armenia without isolation support, so that you take the Karabakh which I agree belongs to Azerbaijan but it happened and the Armenians lived there, and you are sure that you will take it only and you will not go any further? And the fact that time works for you, I don’t agree, 90 years will pass and under international law it will remain in Armenia, or independent, so the Karabakh issue must now be resolved by compromises, which your peoples decide.

On what basis did you decide that Karabakh belongs to the Republic of Azerbaijan?