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Media: assault tank based on T-72 will be an important addition to the latest "Armata"

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"Uralvagonzavod" developed an assault tank based on the T-72, which is expected to be much more effective than other models in combat in the condition of the city, reports Rossiyskaya Gazeta with reference to Defence.ru.




It is noted that "the idea of ​​creating an assault tank "not new, but it became relevant again after studying the experience of street fighting in Syria." The developers have focused on increasing the survivability of the machine.

“If we carefully analyze the latest armed conflicts in the world, it turns out that fighting is conducted mainly in cities, no one today is fighting in an open area, because it is, in fact, instant destruction,” the newspaper quotes the deputy director general of UVZ Vyacheslav Khalitov.

The first thing that catches your eye is the presence of a modernized tank dozer bucket, which is designed to overcome the debris, and at the same time is an additional protection from a frontal attack.

“Also, the durability of the machine is enhanced by on-board screens with dynamic protection, additional reservations and anti-cumulative grids. The turret of the anti-aircraft machine gun was covered with side screens with bulletproof glass in order to reduce the risk for the tank commander, ”the newspaper writes.

In addition, the tank’s firepower was increased - the “upgraded 125-mm 2A46M gun was modified for firing rockets, an automatic loader was installed, a more efficient fire control system (FCS) with a multichannel gunner Sosna sight”.

And although now "the emphasis is on the newest tank Armata, the UVZ believes that an incomparably simpler and relatively cheap fighting vehicle for fighting in the city should be an important addition to the long-awaited T-14," the newspaper concludes.
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  1. OLD FART
    OLD FART 16 December 2016 17: 18
    +18
    “The idea of ​​creating an assault tank is not new, but it became again relevant after studying the experience of street fighting in Syria”

    No wonder we fought there, and also in Chechnya ... This is a rich experience!
    It’s time to create a shock fist, as in the days of the USSR everyone will calm down right away ...
    1. cniza
      cniza 16 December 2016 17: 52
      +21
      We quickly learn lessons and, most importantly, translate them into real products. Successes.
      1. Thrall
        Thrall 16 December 2016 18: 08
        +15
        Here it is, the perfect "bulldozer" smile
        1. vlad_vlad
          vlad_vlad 16 December 2016 20: 30
          +2
          something reminds ... Leopard 2A7 PSO? smile
        2. Semen Semyonitch
          Semen Semyonitch 16 December 2016 20: 41
          +14
          Quote: Thrall
          Here it is, the perfect "bulldozer" smile

          And if you also attach a plow, then in general "... and a shvets, and a reaper, and a player on a pipe" ... good
        3. svp67
          svp67 16 December 2016 22: 35
          +10
          Quote: Thrall
          Here it is, the perfect "bulldozer"

          It was only created back in the USSR ... Meet TBS-86

          One trouble, it is designed to clear column paths from snow, it’s a little flimsy ...

          For me, for an assault tank, a shovel like STU-38 is needed

          or STU-2M.
        4. KaPToC
          KaPToC 17 December 2016 00: 04
          +5
          Quote: Thrall
          Here it is, the perfect "bulldozer"

          I remember being ridiculed recently for the words about "assault gun", heh, how nice it is to be right.
          1. dr.star75
            dr.star75 17 December 2016 01: 37
            +2
            It is clear that all generals are preparing for the last war. But I don’t remember something that our tanks would have when liberating Kiev, Minsk, Warsaw, etc. there were similar bulldozers. And there was a real war, not a theoretical one.
            1. Dimka off
              Dimka off 22 December 2016 20: 00
              0
              Quote: dr.star75
              It is clear that all generals are preparing for the last war. But I don’t remember something that our tanks would have when liberating Kiev, Minsk, Warsaw, etc. there were similar bulldozers. And there was a real war, not a theoretical one.

              In any case, he will not be superfluous. I'm talking about the dump
      2. Gray brother
        Gray brother 16 December 2016 19: 22
        +14
        Quote: cniza
        We quickly learn lessons and, most importantly, translate them into real products. Successes.

        This set of exhibitions has been riding for several years and is still only available at UVZ.
      3. Phantom Revolution
        Phantom Revolution 16 December 2016 20: 42
        +4
        Quote: cniza
        We quickly learn lessons and, most importantly, translate them into real products. Successes.

        In reality, we embody many projects, but the main thing for the troops is that another T-72 BZ reincarnation with a bulldozer shovel doesn’t arrive again .....
      4. DenZ
        DenZ 16 December 2016 22: 28
        +5
        Well, well, quickly. I saw this T-72 for urban battles at last year's N. Tagil exhibition. "after studying the street fighting in Syria" - they simply screwed the phrase to an already made product and that's it.
        1. lelikas
          lelikas 17 December 2016 01: 19
          +5
          Quote: DenZ
          Well, well, quickly. I saw this T-72 for urban battles at last year's N. Tagil exhibition. "after studying the street fighting in Syria" - they just screwed the phrase to the already made product and that's it

          C'mon - there’s one BULDZER BUCKET worth what - apparently the author of the article is not familiar with the words dump and excavator in principle.
          On the tank - albeit beautiful - but, as usual, half of them didn’t please -
          on the cheekbones of the tower, the bald patches of half a square meter were left out of habit, probably because of it, there were holes on the sides of the gun. The lower part of the tower, in the shoulder strap, is also not covered in any way. (Hello Chechnya)
          The birdhouse is gorgeous, but in front, there isn’t even a small shield - hello from the machine gunner - there’s no need for a sniper either. And if the commander sits from the top on the tower - so generally sticks to the chest. The roof of the tower was also not completely covered by DZ. In general, it turned out better than b3, but not completely. Or is it they on purpose, leave themselves the field, for further modernization ...
      5. Serg koma
        Serg koma 17 December 2016 08: 21
        +2
        Quote: cniza
        We quickly learn lessons and, most importantly, translate them into real products. Successes.

        "Lessons" - having YOUR experience to write off everything on the "analysis" of the Syrians ??? Stupid !!!
        1. What will happen to the DZ (significantly stands for the overall width) in the city gorge? Those. on (maximum) the second or third day, the FIGHT tank is left without side protection.
        2.
        Quote: Thrall
        Here it is, the perfect "bulldozer"
        while the blade height is not higher than the blade DT-75
        QUESTION for experts - why do they weld on the height of the dump in the center? Considering the power of the "armored bulldozer", it will bury itself in the "trash" if the distance between the blade and the hull is less than the size of the "garbage" - hello to the blind mechanized driver - so the title of an ideal "armored bulldozer" is clearly not suitable ...
        3. "Birdhouse" with bulletproof (probably) armor - Greetings to the commander from the RPG. Fight for the protection of equipment from the fire of ANTI-TANK means - substituting the crew located in the "birdhouse" for the conditions of the minimum distance of the shot (it's in the city)? There must be at least a remote control, and this requires "EYES" ...
        4. Designers + tankmen + engineers still think and think, test and test - and not give out beautiful pictures "for grandmothers at the entrance"
        1. kytx
          kytx 22 December 2016 09: 39
          0
          "Why do you weld on the height of the dump in the center?"
          so that the soil passing through the dump does not cram between the muzzle and the knife
    2. Shadowcat
      Shadowcat 16 December 2016 18: 12
      +8
      Quote: STARPER
      No wonder we fought there, and also in Chechnya ... This is a rich experience!

      To be serious, only two armies in the twentieth century really took the city by storm - it was fascist and Soviet, so there was some experience. And after puffs of Stalingrad ...
      There was also a second experiment again ... in Afghanistan, when our military noted that the guns could not rise in the vertical plane enough to provide support and to save the convoy it was more profitable to sweep the black one despite the possible survivors and tick.
      I think it was similar in Chechen too
      So it's better late than never.

      That's honest * referring to old projects * Everything new is well forgotten old. Take the same IS-7 (which’s why Votka can say thank you — so much for knowing the models of tanks. Well, so far they have not turned into science fiction) which could become a real prototype (if not the founder of a full-fledged) tank for fighting in cities.
      1. Phantom Revolution
        Phantom Revolution 16 December 2016 20: 46
        0
        Quote: ShadowCat
        To be serious, only two armies in the twentieth century really took the city by storm - it was fascist and Soviet, so there was some experience.

        What about the USA? Although right now I’ll hear by type, but they bribed everyone and entered the empty city.)
        1. Shadowcat
          Shadowcat 16 December 2016 23: 01
          +1
          hm? respected examples, examples ... with the USSR and the Germans, no one has any questions, because I immediately recall, for example, the assault of Smolensk by the Germans and ... here the list is huge from the USSR.
          But the western one is somehow not very good for me.
      2. Semen Semyonitch
        Semen Semyonitch 16 December 2016 21: 02
        +3
        Quote: ShadowCat
        then only two armies in the twentieth century really took the city by storm - it was fascist and Soviet, so there was some experience.

        Everything flows, everything changes ... In this regard, the experience in Chechnya is more appropriate. Means of destruction and tactics of their application are changing, so only real combat experience can help in counteracting such tactics. No one canceled the observation and analysis, but, as they say, they give two not broken for one beaten. In this regard, the experience gained by our pilots is simply irreplaceable. I would like to see the application of our latest developments on the ground, but I understand that this is unacceptable due to heavy losses. The Americans have accumulated a lot of experience in this, and their losses are relatively small. (Adjusted for the opponent, of course). We, as always, are breastfeeding for embrasure. I exaggerate, of course, but the life of a fighter is the cornerstone of victory in any conflict, and thank God that it began to reach some.
      3. OLD FART
        OLD FART 16 December 2016 21: 43
        +1
        Quote: ShadowCat
        To be serious, only two armies in the twentieth century really took the city by storm - it was fascist and Soviet, so what experience was there

        The Germans knew how to fight, then respect for them ... And now alone ... pah!
        They start screaming right away all over the world ... negative
    3. RASKAT
      RASKAT 16 December 2016 18: 14
      0
      And you can put the same KZ blocks on a regular T-72Б3, otherwise it has a bare board and somehow this does not inspire optimism.
    4. ava09
      ava09 16 December 2016 21: 09
      +1
      Solidarity, but not quite ... We need a "Strike Fist" inside ... We will calm the werewolves, but outside the foam will settle by itself ...
    5. APASUS
      APASUS 16 December 2016 21: 25
      +2
      Quote: STARPER
      No wonder we fought there, and also in Chechnya ... This is a rich experience!

      Something you remembered about the Chechen experience already after 16 years, everything should have been implemented for a long time. The Simryan experience is only now beginning to undergo analysis.
      I believe that the blade on the tank should be installed in series, and not as an option. This is a protection element, an element for changing the profile and a very necessary tool. Whoever at least once tried to dig a trap for equipment will understand
      1. The stranger
        The stranger 16 December 2016 23: 12
        0
        It is impossible, and it is not necessary.
        Any weight outside the base projection must be multiplied by 2. This ruins the suspension and kills the cross.
      2. lelikas
        lelikas 17 December 2016 01: 28
        +9
        Quote: APASUS
        You remembered the Chechen experience already after 16 years

        Yeah, then immediately forgot .. What did this picture teach?
    6. Su24
      Su24 17 December 2016 07: 35
      +4
      Based on the T-72. Rukalitsa ... If only for export. I hope our MO does not get to the procurement of this craft.
    7. Alexey-74
      Alexey-74 19 December 2016 09: 17
      0
      I agree a steel avalanche can iron everything in the flesh to the English Channel !!!!!!!!!!
  2. tomket
    tomket 16 December 2016 17: 21
    +3
    The best assault tank for the city is something like "St. John's wort".
    1. Kyrgyz
      Kyrgyz 16 December 2016 17: 32
      +21
      Quote: tomket
      The best assault tank for the city is something like "St. John's wort".

      Well, if St. John's wort is understood to be ISU152, then it was neither the best nor the tank.
      Why bmpt is not suitable for the city? The tank, because the vertical aiming angles are not optimal, and this suicide bomber looks doubtful both as a defense and as an observation point, the view is a little better, you need a remotely controlled module
    2. avt
      avt 16 December 2016 17: 38
      +32
      Quote: tomket
      The best assault tank for the city is something like "St. John's wort".

      This crap in the picture ??? Full bullshit in the manner of the notorious, Terminator "from the same campaign negative Object 782 with Bakhcha was a real approach to the "assault tank" taking into account the experience of the Afghan battles. If they would REALLY make an assault tank, and not sniff the wunderwaals hastily stitched together, then, as we have already discussed with Lopatov, on a tank chassis with additional armor they would put a "troika" based on Vienna a closed position to throw with throw-over fire, and even to the "Kitolovu" they would add some ATGM of the "Competition" type, by 120mm. That would be an assault tank.
      1. poquello
        poquello 16 December 2016 19: 04
        +3
        Quote: avt
        Complete sweeping

        and partial hohvolotvorchestvo, along the way people do not see the difference between the sale to the pop-brothers and the configuration of their own army
      2. Captain Pushkin
        Captain Pushkin 16 December 2016 19: 46
        +10
        Absolutely agree. Long barrel 125mm for an assault tank is not needed.
        "Vienna" is much more useful. But it may be advisable to have a second, heavy assault tank with a short-barreled 152mm howitzer or 160mm mortar as the main armament, so that if necessary, you can quickly fold the brick / concrete building.
        1. Alexey-74
          Alexey-74 19 December 2016 09: 18
          0
          Yes it would be nice............
    3. sergo1914
      sergo1914 16 December 2016 17: 53
      +3
      Sturmtigr. Only then the city then ... that ...
  3. Stanislav 1978
    Stanislav 1978 16 December 2016 17: 31
    +12
    And if instead of the side screens for the machine gun to install a remote module, would not it be better?
  4. kolkulon
    kolkulon 16 December 2016 17: 32
    +17
    Remote machine gun module is not the fate to stick? In the city it is.
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  6. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 16 December 2016 17: 33
    0
    Demand creates supply.
    Strengthen your armor!
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 16 December 2016 19: 25
      +2
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      Strengthen your armor!

      So that the fragments break off? smile
  7. Holoy
    Holoy 16 December 2016 17: 36
    +2
    Enough of these T-72s!
    1. tray4411
      tray4411 16 December 2016 17: 40
      +2
      Silence is clear no stop
    2. poquello
      poquello 16 December 2016 19: 17
      +3
      Quote: Holoy
      Enough of these T-72s!

      but I disagree, but the idea of ​​the type "each T-72 has a bucket from a bulldozer and two iron entrance doors to the tower" simply kills, well, they would modestly provide for the structural canopy of these buckets, but what pathos!
    3. In100gram
      In100gram 16 December 2016 20: 52
      +2
      Quote: Holoy
      Enough of these T-72s!

      The modernization resource has not been exhausted. And do, modernize cheaper
      1. Kasym
        Kasym 16 December 2016 23: 25
        +2
        T-14 is scheduled to release 2500 units. Therefore, the T-72 and T-90 will be in service for a long time. For the city, a machine gun on automation is needed, and such an RPG will be quickly removed, and it will fly into the tower. Raise the angle of the trunk. Adjust the protection from above.
        Why not break the Terminator - I don’t understand the military ?! hi
        1. KaPToC
          KaPToC 17 December 2016 00: 16
          +1
          Quote: Kasym
          T-14 is scheduled to release 2500 units.

          Amendment, it is planned to release 2500 heavy platforms, including the T-15, T-14 and other vehicles at its base - only 2500. This is only enough for the units of constant readiness, conscripts will have the good old T-72.
  8. common man
    common man 16 December 2016 17: 43
    +6
    In fact, this pepelats was shown at the last exhibition in Nizhny Tagil, when there was no talk of any such great experience in Syria. But the tank was already there.
    1. sir_obs
      sir_obs 16 December 2016 18: 23
      0
      Yes, I also saw
  9. raid14
    raid14 16 December 2016 17: 46
    +5
    Isn't it easier to make a remote control for a tank commander for an anti-aircraft machine gun than to cover it with armored panels?
    Returning the hemisphere and the roof of the tank does not have protection against the latest modifications of the TOU FGM-148 TOW 2 B and Spike-ML / LR / RE hitting armored vehicles from above.
    Each car needs at least KAZ "Arena" or "Afghanit".
  10. svd-xnumx
    svd-xnumx 16 December 2016 17: 46
    +2
    The sides were covered, and the tower was left a la a modification of B3.If you study the experience of the war in Syria, then by my visible video frames most of the hits were just in the tower.
  11. Ostup bender
    Ostup bender 16 December 2016 17: 53
    +1
    The strategy is quite understandable. Assault T-72s enter the city, storm a little, burn a little, the assault ends, the T72 with the remains of the assault crews quickly clean up, turn on the cameras ... Armata are coming ... scratches and lipstick marks ... curtain ...
  12. Nix1986
    Nix1986 16 December 2016 17: 53
    +2
    Uvz will not calm down with his birdhouse. Can't you master the turret? And then the terminator for what ?! Generally some questions
  13. Paranoid50
    Paranoid50 16 December 2016 17: 54
    +5
    Well, let it be seen. But damn it, something inspired: M50 "Ontos" 6x106, though it went like PTSAU, but there is something in it.
  14. Stegosaurus Brontosaurus
    Stegosaurus Brontosaurus 16 December 2016 17: 55
    +1
    The first thing that catches your eye is the presence of a modernized tank with a bulldozer bucket


    I do not see any bucket. I see a bulldozer spade.
  15. masiya
    masiya 16 December 2016 17: 56
    +2
    A useful thing, given the circumstances, can be useful in the arms market for various troubled regions of the world.
  16. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 16 December 2016 18: 09
    0
    Why produce a variety of different options and subspecies of the tank from the mind of plenty, or what? fool
  17. Bering Strait
    Bering Strait 16 December 2016 18: 16
    +1
    The assault tank should have better armor, and the T-72 is already a bit old for this purpose.
    1. KaPToC
      KaPToC 17 December 2016 00: 18
      +1
      Quote: Bering Strait
      The assault tank should have better armor, and the T-72 is already a bit old for this purpose.

      For an assault tank, the T-72 has the wrong gun, you need something like "Nona", but with a larger caliber.
      1. Bering Strait
        Bering Strait 17 December 2016 00: 36
        0
        I agree that it is not convenient with a long cannon in the city and the vertical guidance angles are needed more, but the most important is armor. The assault tank is the first to attack, which means it will take the main blow of the enemy and then this is not the most modern T-72 armor and will show not good
        1. KaPToC
          KaPToC 17 December 2016 00: 52
          +1
          Quote: Bering Strait
          After all, an assault tank is the first to attack, which means it will take on the main blow of the enemy

          This does not mean that infantry will be the first to go, but the tank will support it.
          1. Bering Strait
            Bering Strait 17 December 2016 10: 48
            0
            The machine guns are mowing down the infantry, it is the tank that will have to break into enemy positions and destroy the barricades .... It will have to be fired directly at short range, and at such distances 200-150 meters, grenade launchers will hit the tank from all slots ... Without a good one such a tank is not a resident of armor ... During the Second World War, KV and IS were considered as assault tanks, but even their first-class, at that time, armor did not always save ...
            1. KaPToC
              KaPToC 17 December 2016 20: 55
              0
              Quote: Bering Strait
              the tank will have to break into enemy positions

              With bare breasts - on the embrasure - that's not necessary. "Breaking into positions" has nothing to do with fighting in the city, it's from another opera.
              1. Bering Strait
                Bering Strait 17 December 2016 21: 41
                0
                But in Grozny it was. 1 tank 2 BMP-2, or ZSU Tunguska and forward, and infantry without armor support are corpses. The tank suppresses the firing points and there is nowhere to shoot from 2 km, there are battles at close range, several hundred meters, 200 meters .. .
      2. common man
        common man 17 December 2016 11: 58
        +1
        We need Vienna paired with the 30th. And all this behind the tank armor multiplied by two.
  18. eskela
    eskela 16 December 2016 18: 40
    +1
    an assault tank based on the T-72 and why not the T-90, it’s clear that 72 are in warehouses before ... there are a lot of them and they’re cheap, but damn it is already out of date if only they tried to make everything new from a penny and shoved it into the old building.
  19. Alf
    Alf 16 December 2016 19: 15
    +10
    The most important thing about this wunderwaffle was never done. This, if I may say so, "assault tank", which is supposedly adapted for combat in the city, did not receive a gun with a high elevation angle. And the 2A46 power for these battles is excessive. There are no distances of 1,5-2 km in the city and there are no armored targets for such a weapon. In the city, a 152-mm gun with low ballistics and separate loading is more needed, capable of demolishing a high-rise building with one shot and transferring a shell to a neighboring courtyard. And such a vehicle should be protected much better than an ordinary tank, first of all from the roof and sides. In general, what happened can be called like this - "And God is not a candle and not a devil poker."
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket 16 December 2016 19: 24
      0
      Most of all, this sample looks like a not entirely successful attempt to somehow adapt the "ancient" T-72, which is available in large quantities around the world, and in particular in Syria, where the main urban battles are now taking place for action in populated areas.
      They should not show him at exhibitions, but send him to the real "hell" in Syria where he can confirm all his advantages (if any) and disadvantages and not "drive" this "miracle" through the pages
      in press.
    2. Bayonet
      Bayonet 16 December 2016 19: 30
      +1
      Quote: Alf
      And such a machine should be protected much better than an ordinary tank, primarily from the roof and sides.

      Like it or not, and a tank in the city is an excellent target! request
      1. KUOLEMA
        KUOLEMA 16 December 2016 19: 58
        +1
        It’s necessary to add an excavator bucket and at construction sites you can get rid of the quiet between combat training
      2. Alf
        Alf 16 December 2016 20: 26
        0
        Quote: Bayonet
        Like it or not, and a tank in the city is an excellent target!

        Counter-Question: How can the infantry clean the city without support? Drones are not serious, artillery also doesn’t roll, I am silent about aviation in general. How ?
        1. Bayonet
          Bayonet 17 December 2016 09: 48
          +1
          Quote: Alf
          Counter-Question: How can the infantry clean the city without support? UAVs are not serious,

          Drones, this is just serious - identifying hotbeds of resistance, destroying firing points from remotely controlled drones. To destroy a firing point in the house, it is not necessary to drive a tank, you can also use a hand grenade launcher of sufficient power. When the same "Bumblebee" flies into the window, there is no time for fun!
          1. Alf
            Alf 17 December 2016 19: 38
            0
            Quote: Bayonet
            To destroy a firing point in a house, it is not necessary to drive a tank, it is also possible from a hand grenade launcher of sufficient power.

            The simplest situation is a machine gun nest 200 meters away. To get into it from an RPG at such a range will be difficult, especially if the shooter has only eyes. It’s impossible to get closer, the guys on the other side should not be considered idiots. And the tank will put the shell accurately, and if and if it misses, then plus or minus 2-3 meters is not critical. As they say, the accuracy of the hit is compensated by the power of the projectile.
    3. VOLCHOXURAL
      VOLCHOXURAL 16 December 2016 21: 34
      0
      Quote: Alf
      The most important thing about this wunderwaffle was never done. This, if I may say so, "assault tank", which is supposedly adapted for combat in the city, did not receive a gun with a high elevation angle. And the power of 2A46 is excessive for these battles. There are no distances of 1,5-2 km in the city and there are no armored targets for such a weapon. In the city, a 152-mm gun with low ballistics and separate loading is more needed, capable of demolishing a high-rise building with one shot and transferring a shell to a neighboring courtyard.

      Here I am absolutely with you! The classic 152mm short-barrel would be much more convenient. At this time, the Syrian tankers, with their high-ballistic long-barrels, are forced to go on direct fire, thereby substituting the same shots and RPGs under the return fire, and the howitzer would allow throwing through obstacles hiding from the return fire, at the same time, the 152-mm caliber is already sufficient, which throw heavy enough landmines to defeat as many enemy manpower as possible or to demolish uncomfortable buildings.
      In the same Syria, self-propelled gunners on acacia trees did not weakly punish barmaley, landmines weighing 47 kg simply mixed their small remains with land and fragments of buildings.
      1. MaksoMelan
        MaksoMelan 17 December 2016 02: 03
        0
        So you need a heavily armored mortar system? Conventional mortars far away I mean something like Nona but performed with heavy armor. Moreover, the Swedes in the Moyma or some of the Scandinavians have a double-barreled version. Well, I digress. Shorter front-end miniscule. With the ability to shoot direct fire.
  20. Andrey1990
    Andrey1990 16 December 2016 19: 33
    0
    Something seems to me that they are trying to wash up the armature with all sorts of prodigies!
  21. seregatara1969
    seregatara1969 16 December 2016 19: 59
    +2
    [quote] [/ quote] The first thing that catches your eye is the presence of a bulldozer bucket in a modernized tank, an excavator in a bulldozer knife - bucket
  22. Sergey Ui
    Sergey Ui 16 December 2016 20: 06
    +4
    I may not be in the subject, but the best tank in the city is a trained infantryman with a powerful grenade launcher
    1. Sergey Ui
      Sergey Ui 16 December 2016 20: 08
      0
      Tanks from a distance should hit the positions of terrorists
      1. CorvusCoraks
        CorvusCoraks 16 December 2016 22: 02
        0
        from afar there are self-propelled guns, MLRS, gauges. Tanks are just for relatively close distances.
      2. Alf
        Alf 16 December 2016 22: 35
        +2
        Quote: Sergey ui
        Tanks from a distance should hit the positions of terrorists

        And how to get from 1-1,5 kilometers into the machine gun nest, which very often is a hole in the wall the size of a meter per meter? And URami bullet, so the pants can be torn from such expenses.
    2. Alf
      Alf 16 December 2016 22: 33
      +2
      Quote: Sergey ui
      I may not be in the subject, but the best tank in the city is a trained infantryman with a powerful grenade launcher

      And how many pipes can a trained infantryman take away at once? Apart from everything, according to the state, loaded with it?
  23. Sergei75
    Sergei75 16 December 2016 20: 07
    0
    A remotely controlled machine gun - no?
  24. Berkut24
    Berkut24 16 December 2016 20: 17
    +2
    UVZ wants to cut grandmother for everything that is possible and impossible. If others had moved their elbows like that, then the country would have lived differently.
  25. Wolka
    Wolka 16 December 2016 20: 20
    +1
    if you look at the photo, the devil knows what is piled up on the tower, one stucco molding, some kind of birdhouse for an anti-aircraft machine gun, smoke grenades, mounted dynamic protection only protects the forehead, the side projection is protected to a minimum, the turret space is practically not protected, not to mention the upper armor plate of the tower and the stern of the tank, where there are only grilles, etc., and there is no circular visibility, so only drive Tuareg in the desert with such a tank, and he can live in the city for no more than a minute at best ... well, at least you can install an automatically controlled turret with anti-aircraft machine guns (T-90MS for example) close the turret space and the stern of the tower with chain screens (like Merkava) grenade launchers Curtains should be placed around the entire turret circle, lower the protective shields protecting the rollers and goose bar below and close the driving wheels too ...
    1. Wolka
      Wolka 19 December 2016 12: 54
      0
      I'm terribly sorry for the typo, I'm guilty, the "Clouds" grenade launchers should be read, and as for the Curtains, it would not hurt to place them both in the frontal and in the aft projection of the tank
  26. internal enemy
    internal enemy 16 December 2016 20: 31
    0
    Yes. This armata will be a wonderful and rare addition to the old canning tanks of the Russian army.
  27. Stabilization
    Stabilization 16 December 2016 20: 31
    +3
    security doors on the tower tries !! A remote control module with a large-caliber machine gun 14,7mm !! (not so expensive in comparison ... !!!) ... At the UVZ, a traitor or a wrecker explicitly sat down, with these upgrades of the 72s ... you can’t build poop and branches assault tank, even if you hang them on the most reliable 72nd ...
    (you need to write a letter to Putin’s campaign, by all honest people of VO, about this sabotage with 72, but you can’t name such modifications besides sabotage).
    1. CorvusCoraks
      CorvusCoraks 16 December 2016 22: 06
      +1
      They probably realized that at the birth of various modifications of the T72, of which, as I understand it, there are a lot of Pch in the army and in storage, you can earn a lot.

      It just seems to me that for everything there are limits of modification, after which the sense is becoming less and less, I think T72 just reached such a limit.
    2. Bayonet
      Bayonet 17 December 2016 09: 52
      +2
      Quote: Stabilization
      (you need to write a letter to Putin’s campaign, by all honest people of VO, about this sabotage with 72, but you can’t name such modifications as sabotage)

      Well, yes, the tsar, as always, is not in the know, and wise people with petition will admonish him! Laughter and only .. wassat
  28. Genry
    Genry 16 December 2016 21: 03
    +2
    Ugliness and not a tank.

    For street battles, the simultaneous use of several types of vehicles is necessary:
    - reconnaissance, up to 50 cm long, unarmed, equipped with video cameras on manipulators, for observation from different shelters;
    - machine gun - grenade launcher 40mm - cannon 30mm robotic lightly armored tracked platform (such as Uranus-9 without missiles) with descending rear rails (tubes), for self-engagement of scouts (from the previous paragraph), their transportation and charging;
    - a robotic machine on a T-72 chassis armed with an automatic 57mm gun, grenade launcher, machine guns, equipped with a radio-optical system for automatically guiding a machine gun to destroy dangerous mines, shells, missiles;
    - T-14 for fire support and destruction of heavy armored vehicles;
    - T-15 for transportation of ammunition, infantry, doctors, technicians to the battlefield.
    This is for an active enemy fire zone.
    Outside of this zone there can be cars (with anti-fragmentation armor), self-propelled guns, MLRS, evacuation-guard, staff, remote control operators of robots, ambulance, communications, short-range air defense, repair and service, .... For particularly fastidious, also a mobile nuclear power plant wassat .
  29. Monarchist
    Monarchist 16 December 2016 21: 16
    +2
    The idea is necessary. God forbid, that sooner embodied in "iron"
    1. OLD FART
      OLD FART 16 December 2016 21: 34
      +2
      Quote: Monarchist
      The idea is necessary. God forbid, that sooner embodied in "iron"

      And where do we get to ...? Russia has such a fate ... and nothing we can do! Still have to again ... That's how we live from Victory to Victory ...
      soldier
      For the Urals! drinks
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet 17 December 2016 09: 54
        +2
        Quote: STARPER
        Russia has such a fate ... and nothing we can do! Still have to again ...

        Good luck Starper! Crush them Starper! smile
        1. OLD FART
          OLD FART 17 December 2016 10: 50
          0
          Quote: Bayonet
          Quote: STARPER
          Russia has such a fate ... and nothing we can do! Still have to again ...

          Good luck Starper! Crush them Starper! smile

          I press to the best of my abilities and capabilities ...))) And it obviously turns out, given the way you bayonet pursue me on the site ... laughing crying
          1. Bayonet
            Bayonet 17 December 2016 18: 03
            0
            Quote: STARPER
            And it obviously turns out, given the way you bayonet me chasing the site.

            I admit, I'm not indifferent. hi
  30. tchoni
    tchoni 16 December 2016 21: 39
    +1
    and they didn’t guess at least 45 degrees to lift the gun ...
  31. Fidel
    Fidel 16 December 2016 21: 41
    +1
    T-72. Great and terrible. I think at the current pace of development and the price of military vehicles of the western tank industry it is really more profitable for them to buy Russian tanks.))
  32. CorvusCoraks
    CorvusCoraks 16 December 2016 22: 14
    0
    It seems to me that it’s easier to develop a new tank than to upgrade a T72 to a tank that is really adapted for city databases. Or even a remote robotic assault complex.

    As correctly noted in the comments, for urban battles, you need a cardinal strengthening of the defense of the sides, stern, turret, a significant increase in air defense, a larger caliber gun for the HE, anti-aircraft machine gun with remote control and so on.
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 17 December 2016 09: 57
      +1
      Quote: CorvusCoraks
      Or even a remote robotic assault complex.

      To do this, you need nothing at all - just think about the soldier, value his life.
  33. Vadim237
    Vadim237 16 December 2016 22: 16
    +1
    In the current conditions, fighting in the city requires a robot based on a tank with powerful weapons - for example, a 57 mm cannon, anti-tank missiles and NUR units, and the time T 72 has already passed.
  34. Brigadier
    Brigadier 16 December 2016 22: 47
    0
    Very necessary car! Perhaps, it is even more necessary than Almaty. Cheap and cheerful!
  35. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 16 December 2016 22: 54
    +4
    Wouldn't it be easier to install the Vena turret on the T-72 chassis by weighing its DZ more tightly?
    That's the city tank
  36. tundra
    tundra 16 December 2016 23: 14
    +3
    In addition, the firepower of the tank was increased - “the upgraded 125mm 2A46M gun was improved for firing rockets, an automatic loader was installed, \\\\\\\\\\\\
    Again letters are written for the sake of letters.
  37. Radikal
    Radikal 16 December 2016 23: 27
    +3
    “If you carefully analyze the latest armed conflicts in the world, it turns out that hostilities are mainly in cities, no one today is fighting in open areas, because this is, in fact, instant destruction,” the newspaper quoted the deputy general director of UVZ Vyacheslav Halitov.]
    Of course, it is true that the general director, tank nuzhon, says. bully But where is the fighting he is talking about? Right. in the desert regions of the world (the Middle East, North Africa), where since ancient times, all hostilities were conducted around, or from wells with water. Currently, these are cities around which there is the same desert (it has not gone anywhere), respectively, and the war is about, or for them. Because it is problematic, or rather impossible, to create a solid line of defense in the desert, well equipped from an engineering point of view, since the most important (if not the main) source of the effectiveness of a bd. troops is the presence of simple water. Here some "zealous" in our community (and we know them) will immediately want to give me a "poddh" citing the example of one small but proud state in those parts. To which I proactively answer - yes, I agree. But! This is possible in a small state the size of our Vologda, or Moscow region. And for a possible theater of operations on the territory of our beloved Motherland, taking into account our geographical conditions, there can be only a continuous line of defense. This is the only way to control the territory that belongs to you, which you defend, only this way, for example, can you fight saboteurs, spies, and other accomplices in your front-line and operational rear. And you don’t need to tell me that I have read The Moment of Truth and have seen enough In August 44! Not a single NATO country, and others, has not canceled sabotage and reconnaissance and other subversive activities in the front-line, operational rear of the troops, as well as in the deep rear of a potential enemy! It is clear that the general director of Uralvagonzavod wants to work for the Middle East and the rest of the East - you understand the currency! However, we will and must defend the entire territory of our country, and not fight in cauldrons and besieged cities - we have already gone through this, but ... won! soldier
  38. Torins
    Torins 16 December 2016 23: 29
    0
    We have been upgrading this for 15 years already. lol
    in Borisov))
  39. shasherin_pavel
    shasherin_pavel 16 December 2016 23: 30
    +1
    For an urban assault, why such a barrel length? The velocity of the projectile does not matter here.
  40. Ckyy
    Ckyy 16 December 2016 23: 49
    +1
    here next to the article about "movable armor" laughed at the "stupid Americans" who "invented" armor ..... and then ours invented .... TANK! but no one laughs for some reason: 3
  41. nesvobodnye
    nesvobodnye 17 December 2016 00: 21
    0
    For urban combat, a shorter gun is required, it seems to me. For in the alleys is crowded, if we take the Syrian experience.
  42. Double bass
    Double bass 17 December 2016 00: 48
    0
    Hello dear. For me, in urban battles, this assault tank is not an assistant, do you imagine the destroyed streets of the city, and if the buildings are also dense? Yes, after the first blockage of all his "obeves" khan.
    A machine gun could make remotely controlled! The commander must be protected!
    New equipment must be developed in such a vast experience, and not overflow from empty to empty!
  43. gal
    gal 17 December 2016 01: 37
    0
    Opinion about the T-72 from the front:

    it seems that the new "assault" side will also be left in ruins.
  44. MaksoMelan
    MaksoMelan 17 December 2016 01: 54
    +1
    "In addition, the tank's firepower has been increased -" the modernized 125-mm 2A46M cannon has been modified for firing missiles, an automatic loader has been installed, and a more efficient fire control system (FCS) with a Sosna gunner's multi-channel sight has been installed. " Wasn't it possible to shoot missiles and automatic loaders before? Such a technique is needed and when else. And the experience of Chechnya probably showed this, and probably in the Fatherland. For example, amers have such special tanks. And a gun of a larger caliber and power so that debris can be smashed and not just with a bulldozer. What else have you forgotten? As an option to modernize old equipment and as an export option. But with the T-14, a machine on the armata platform should work. It was in this that the idea was that there was a single platform and not chase after different parts if something happened. Do not mix techniques that are not intended for each other. On the extreme, hang the T72 with the same buns as the reinforcement. Why is this not being done? In the same way, the machine gun can be made with a turret, but it can be fixed as in the Modern style and without bothering with increased calibers. Install cameras around the perimeter and install LCD screens and an anti-aircraft machine gun control panel. What else is there ... And this DZ ka tower confuses me very much. Bigger gaps between blocks. T90 ms in this regard is more protected, like even the tower is covered from the sides by dz. And here for urban battles Bochina is naked. They hung up the grills. The cavity law exists. It is there that he will pretend if that.
    1. aszzz888
      aszzz888 17 December 2016 02: 41
      0
      It was precisely this idea that the single platform was


      And here it is not known what is cheaper. Or a new platform, or an already ready tank to upgrade. Indeed, in the end, everything depends on the presence (or absence) of funds. Something like this. But in general, the course of your thoughts, and the cry of the soul, are understandable and explainable. good
  45. aszzz888
    aszzz888 17 December 2016 02: 37
    0
    the presence of a modernized tank of a bulldozer bucket, which is designed to overcome blockages, and at the same time represents additional protection against frontal attack.


    And also for self-digging, which is also important for the survivability of the tank.
  46. family tree
    family tree 17 December 2016 05: 27
    +1
    Even evil is not enough
    Cleans infantry as if they did not call her
    Shilka grand piano in the city
    Just with a dozen frames FSB officers take the balance
    CHEAPER than widows retire and men alive
  47. Sars
    Sars 17 December 2016 09: 42
    +2
    Bulldozer blade - only for sweeping garbage on this design can be used, except, of course, that the projectile resistance is improved because of it.

    For example: you need to tear down a two-meter brick wall. What will we sacrifice? The barrel of the gun or all the splendor that is on the tower, in the event of its preliminary turn?
    The conclusion is that the whole project is complete rubbish that does not correspond to the task!

    And for an assault city tank, it would not be bad to use the experience of using flamethrower tanks.
    1. family tree
      family tree 17 December 2016 14: 34
      0
      Quote: SarS
      experience with flamethrower tanks.

      Forest! Gorynycha with IMRok removed, more cylinders with fuel on the armor was not enough what , pancake
    2. Bayonet
      Bayonet 17 December 2016 18: 08
      0
      Quote: SarS
      For example: you need to tear down a two-meter brick wall. What will we sacrifice?

      I'll just get around it! laughing Why heroically in the forehead, if you can get around - this is the same city!
      Again - "Normal heroes always go around!" smile
  48. exo
    exo 17 December 2016 12: 47
    0
    And what, in the structure of the Russian Guard is the most! Or specialize part of the formations, army, on urban conditions. With the right set of equipment.
  49. Maz
    Maz 17 December 2016 15: 56
    +2
    Nonsense of some kind of bucket can be put on a tank tank., The turret must be done with circular protection - the snipers are on the alert.
  50. Radikal
    Radikal 17 December 2016 22: 14
    0
    Quote: SarS
    Bulldozer blade - only for sweeping garbage on this design can be used, except, of course, that the projectile resistance is improved because of it.

    For example: you need to tear down a two-meter brick wall. What will we sacrifice? The barrel of the gun or all the splendor that is on the tower, in the event of its preliminary turn?
    The conclusion is that the whole project is complete rubbish that does not correspond to the task!

    And for an assault city tank, it would not be bad to use the experience of using flamethrower tanks.
    Last century! There are special ammunition for enty business, incl. and for tank guns, and there is no need to "spit" fuel for only 100-200 m, and look, they will burn themselves! wassat