Media: VKS plan to have at least 700 fighters

The number of fighters in the composition of combat regiments VKS in the future should be at least 700 units, transmits Lenta.ru report message source in the Ministry of Defense.

“This figure is achievable by 2025 year. Fighters will be about 40 percent of the total number of aircraft in the Air Force fleet, the rest - shock - attack aircraft and bombers, as well as reconnaissance, transport, training and special machines, ”said the source.

According to him, the basis of the fleet of fighters will be the Sukhoi Design Bureau cars.

“Su-30, Su-35, a number of upgraded Su-27 will still remain, in addition, will be in combat parts of the fifth generation machine. The rest is modernized MiG-31, MiG-29 and new MiG-35 ”, said the source.

He also noted that "the total number of combat-ready fighters in the Air Force should increase by more than a third."

Bmpd blog comment: “From the text of the material it is not clear whether we are talking about the number of fighters only in the Russian Air Force, or the Russian Armed Forces as a whole, including the Marine Aviation Navy, as well as whether only aircraft of the "combat regiments", or all parts of the airborne forces / Armed Forces (including combat training centers and training and test units) are counted. With any numbers of ratings, you should know how the planes of the 45th Army of the Air Force and Air Defense, which now formally refers to Naval Aviation, are counted.

Speaking about the current state of the fighter fleet of the Russian Armed Forces, including both the VKS and Naval Aviation, it should be noted that now, according to known data, it has 246 new fighters with a lifetime of less than 10 years (58 Su-35С, 79 Su- 30M, 20, 30, 2, 12, 27, 3, 44, 29, 29, 23, 29, 440, 180, 27, 20, 33; 120 MiG-29, 120 MiG-31).

Of this number directly to the VCS include 210 new fighters (58 Sioux 35S, 66 Sioux 30SM, 20 Sioux 30M2, 12 Sioux 27SM3, 44 MiG-29SMT ten MiG-29UB) and 370 old fighters, including upgraded ( approximately 160 Su-27, 120 MiG-29, 90 MiG-31), and almost all the “old” MiG-29 (with the exception of the air group in Armenia) are already used for training purposes or are terminated by operation.

While maintaining the current organizational structure of the VKS (without new transmissions of their units and formations to the Navy), the number of fighters in 700 looks quite achievable for the Russian Navy to the 2025 year, although it will require maintaining the supplies of Su-35С and Su-30М fighters to the average overall rate 25-30 aircraft per year during the 2021-2025 period. ”

Comments

[Mountain shooter]

Such a good figure. In Europe, it is overwhelming. And in the USA, there is nothing to do overseas for frontline aviation, there is a "zone" of the Strategic Missile Forces

[cniza]

Specialists know better, they said 700 - that means they consider it sufficient.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Such a good figure. In Europe, it is overwhelming. And in the USA, there is nothing to do overseas for frontline aviation, there is a "zone" of the Strategic Missile Forces

Very worthy. Although why is it only about Europe? Are videoconferencers not based in Asia? Then I did not understand how many PAK FA will be in the VKS by 2025? 20-40 pieces or what?

[corporal]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

... I did not understand how many PAK FA will be in the VKS by 2025? 20-40 pieces or what?

And what at once to be malicious?

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Corporal

Quote: Aron Zaavi

... I did not understand how many PAK FA will be in the VKS by 2025? 20-40 pieces or what?

And what at once to be malicious?

And if the answer to the case? What can be understood from the message?

[alexmach]

And who will answer that then. The prophets are all on vacation. 20 - it’s somehow you took very little, they should be up to 20 years old. 12 - quite realistic, maybe 40 - but this is already in my opinion very optimistic. I am eyeing the modern construction pace of the SU-80 and SU-30.

[demchuk.ig]

Quote: Corporal

And what at once to be malicious?

And no one is malicious, but wanting and having are two different things! With such a pace of deliveries, we won’t do anything by 2050. We’ll sell the Chinese better for copying!

[Krabik]

There is a chance that the T-50 will not be put on the conveyor at all, and the achievements from the T-50 will go into the development of modern fighters and the modernization of old ones ..

[NEXUS]

Quote: Krabik

There is a chance that the T-50 will not be put on the conveyor at all, and the achievements from the T-50 will go into the development of modern fighters and the modernization of old ones ..

Did you understand what you wrote? To swell so much money into the PAK FA program, to attract Indians to this and enter a share with them on this fighter, create a pre-production car (11 board) and then turn everything off?
PAK FA in the series will be unique. In what quantity it is not yet clear, but I believe at least 50 pieces at least, otherwise it makes no sense to make a series at all, in view of the cost recovery. But my opinion is that the T-50s will be at least no less than the Raptor. I can assume that if they will be transferred to our troops by 25-30 vehicles a year, counting from next year, then we get about 200-250 vehicles. At the same time, I believe, as the PAK FA is being finalized, it will begin to replace the SU-30 (which will be re-profiled only for export) and the SU-35C in the future, which means that the money that will have to go to purchase the 30s and 35 -x will be spent on the purchase of the T-50.

[Krabik]

Build so much money into the PAK FA program

The plane is morally and physically outdated at the stage of creation, alas, this happens not only with us (Zumvolt for example).

The money spent on the creation of the project is already beneficial in the form of new engines and avionics, which can be put on other aircraft.

If you look at the dynamics of the development of this project, you can see that the Moscow Region has already made such a decision and simply does not make it public.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Krabik

The plane is morally and physically outdated at the stage of creation, alas, this happens not only with us (Zumvolt for example).

Are you serious? PAK FA with product 30 it will not even be a 5th generation fighter (although here the concept of generations is very arbitrary), but a transitional fighter to 6th generation, that is 5+. And it will be a completely different machine than the one now.

Quote: Krabik

If you look at the dynamics of the development of this project, you can see that the Moscow Region has already made such a decision and simply does not make it public.

And what is this solution, you can find out?

[Krabik]

Only because of the rotating nozzle, adding the T-50 to 5mu is not logical.

20 aircraft by 2025 is a trite termination of this project.
Yes, and they are unlikely to make 20 pieces, it is better to do more SU-35.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Krabik

Only because of the rotating nozzle, adding the T-50 to 5mu is not logical.

By your logic, both the SU-35S and SU-30SM are also 5-generation fighters, since they have all-angle nozzles ...
PAK FA is a fundamentally different machine, which surpasses the SU-35 and SU-30 and MIG-35 in all respects. So for reference, on the Raptor there is one AFAR, on the MIG-35 (if the ZhUK-E was touched) one AFAR, and the T-50 has 5! Plus, it’s exactly under it that they create an arsenal, an electronic warfare complex, pilot equipment, etc. ... none of the well-known MFIs can compete on equal terms with the PAK FA, no matter how patriotic this sounds.
And you are telling me that the T-50 is a "dead" project, speaking of the Su-35 and Su-30. Just the 35th and 30th are transitional vehicles to the PAK FA, on which many components and systems are run in, which are later installed on the T-50.

[Krabik]

Me: "Only because of the rotating nozzle, it is not logical to classify the T-50 as the 5th."
YOU: "By your logic, both the SU-35S and SU-30SM are also 5th generation fighters, because they have all-aspect nozzles ..."

You defeated me with your intellect


There were 35 towers on the T-5.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Krabik

You defeated me with your intellect

You me too ... especially the phrase-

Only because of the rotating nozzle, adding the T-50 to 5mu is not logical.

[Besmaster]

No, according to his logic, nozzles are not the basis for giving a plane the rank of 5th generation. Neither perspective, nor rotating. It is necessary to read carefully.

[1Markus]

Quote: Krabik

If you look at the dynamics of the development of this project, you can see that the Moscow Region has already made such a decision and simply does not make it public.

This plane will come out no matter what, politics, as if not to face the heap of responsible officials in a heap is much more important ...

[Odysseus]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

and how many PAK FA will be in the VKS by 2025? 20-40 pieces or what?

12 to training centers until 2020, but how much after ...
A military secret

[Krabik]

I completely disagree with you.

Superbobik is needed for domestic airlines, you just need to squeeze competitors out of them and give air carriers credits for the purchase of our new super bobiks.

I saw this Bobby at the air show, a pretty, small and unpretentious airplane would perfectly fit for transporting vacationers or prisoners to Kolyma to Crimea.

MS-21 is in the same pile, we must have our own aircraft, the aircraft is quite decent, we need to squeeze out the Boeing and Airbus from local transportation.
Of course, it is necessary to improve the quality of service and the supply of spare parts, and airlines will vlom engage in crude aircraft with troubled support.
They will have to, like trying to persuade with good loans and other effective methods.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Then I did not understand how many PAK FA will be in the VKS by 2025? 20-40 pieces or what?

“Su-30, Su-35, a number of upgraded Su-27 will still remain, in addition, will be in combat parts of the fifth generation machine. The rest is modernized MiG-31, MiG-29 and new MiG-35 ”, said the source.

I was looking for at least something in the article about PAK FA, at least ... I'm not talking about the new interceptor and TU-160M2 ... it turns out that 700 fighters of different classes will be excluding PAK FA. Then the question is, how many T-50s is our MO planning to purchase before the age of 25?

[Engineer]

And just as much against China

[Stabilization]

Well, yes, and how many of us are with China?)

[Monos]

And shock drones to which parts are assigned? They, as I understand it, are not considered at all.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Monos

And shock drones to which parts are assigned? They, as I understand it, are not considered at all.

They are not in the videoconferencing yet.

[saruman]

Shock machines do not count at all, only fighters.
Here: "Fighters will make up about 40 percent of the total number of the Air Force's aircraft fleet, the rest will be attack aircraft and bombers, as well as reconnaissance, transport, training and special vehicles."

[Krabik]

When they appear, they will begin to count.

[Odysseus]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

In Europe it’s overwhelming.

This is why it is "overwhelming" Only in the German and French air forces by 2025 there will be about 350 fighter aircraft.
Our spread throughout Russia. So 700 is the minimum sufficient number.

[DMM2006]

A colleague, where are such figures for Hans and Frogs? What about those that others have one mixed air division. They will be able to build planes without any problems, and where will they take fighter pilots? Do you rent from amers? And as far as I know, they did not have plans to expand fighter aircraft.

[Odysseus]

Quote: DMM2006

A colleague, where are such figures for Hans and Frogs?

In Germany, by 2025, a minimum of 145 Typhoons, in France, a minimum of 180 Rafale, plus an unknown number of upgraded Mirage 2000. Most likely there will be more than 25.
So 350 is the minimum mark.

Quote: DMM2006

They will be able to build planes without any problems, and where will they take fighter pilots?

This is so, but this is a different problem. By the way, we also don’t know how with the pilots.

[Sailor]

Completely FOR, in my opinion 700 is the minimum of the VKS, and the Navy and Air Defense should be considered separately, our country is large, and there are plenty of "FRIENDS".

[the most important]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Such a good figure.

Yes, these are mere crumbs for our territory and the presence of so many "partners" nearby.

[Knight Rider]

Quote: the most important

Yes, these are mere crumbs for our territory and the presence of so many "partners" nearby.

The article is only about fighter aircraft, and only about the aerospace forces. Just in case, add to this number (700) 150-200 new Su-34 (M) front-line bombers and dozens of upgraded Su-25SM / SM3 attack aircraft (if they are not written off as Su-25M by the 24th year).
And do not forget about naval aviation: MiG-29K (23 pcs., Maybe they will order more), Su-30SM (more than 50 will be for sure: Black Sea Fleet, Baltic Fleet, Northern Fleet, Pacific Fleet, if each put on a shelf it will be about 100. Although by then it is unlikely that they will have enough time) Su-33 (20 pcs., Will they survive until the 25th year?)

[corporal]

And the striped ones have about 2000 (also in the Air Force), and if you add on the fleet, KMP and the National Guard, then it turns out to be very sad.

[katalonec2014]

Quote: Corporal

it turns out quite sadly.

Is it because their debt is growing "by leaps and bounds."

[Krabik]

Our investment in their securities is growing by leaps and bounds.

Do not worry about the pocket of staff, they can earn money;)

[Stabilization]

generally reduced ... those investments

[Odysseus]

Quote: Corporal

And the striped ones have about 2000 (also in the Air Force), and if you add on the fleet, KMP and the National Guard, then it turns out to be very sad.

We can’t compete with the United States, not with the PRC. This requires a lot of money and the restoration / modernization of all old plants.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Corporal

And the striped ones have about 2000 (also in the Air Force), and if you add on the fleet, KMP and the National Guard, then it turns out to be very sad.

Try on NATO allies. Under 500 typed.

[aszzz888]

Corporal Today, 12:44 PM New
And the striped about 2000 (also in the Air Force)

If you mean fighters, then they will not reach us. In the meantime, they will fly to Europe to the bases, then Europe itself will no longer exist, not to mention the runway. Something like this.

[1Markus]

Quote: aszzz888

If you mean fighters, then they will not reach us. In the meantime, they will fly to Europe

Do you think if you launch nuclear weapons you will remain alive? With a global nuclear strike, all cities will be destroyed, and the surviving population will die from contaminated water and radiation, not to mention other reasons ... according to the most optimistic forecasts, no more than 5% of the country's population will survive.

[Krabik]

Our country is the most successful for nuclear war.

Large territories and scattered cities throughout the continent.

For this reason, it’s very expensive to join NATO with us. they will all die and lose their current dominant position forever.

For this reason, Putin and Lavrov feel very comfortable because even if he hits the USA AUG special. with ammunition, they simply wipe off and announce that they had problems on the ship;)

[ser-pov]

Quote: Corporal

And the striped ones have about 2000 (also in the Air Force), and if you add on the fleet, KMP and the National Guard, then it turns out to be very sad.

What can you do, it’s good that at least they began to move in this direction ... Yes, we still won’t reach the scale of the USSR ....

[Odysseus]

It would be great, although I doubt the reality of this figure. By 2025, in the best case, about 50 Su-27s and 100 MiG-31s ​​made in the USSR will remain in service. Let's add 250 boards produced after 1991 to get 400.
It turns out that from 2017 to 2024, another 300 fighter planes need to be produced (this is even if you take the VKS together with the Navy). Plus export. In principle, it is real, but at the limit of the capabilities of the current industry.
To successfully solve this problem, the restoration of production capacities (Sokol, Banner of Labor, etc.) is necessary.

[Ustin]

During this time, two assembly plants will cope with this order without any special load, while the capacity of the rest will be excessive. It is another matter to tighten up the "instrument operators", but even that is not critical. So not so much.

[Odysseus]

Quote: Ustin

Two assembly plants will cope with this order during this time without much load.

It turns out that it is necessary somewhere around 38 boards per year. That is, a little more than now. Plus, the question is about the transition of Komsomolsk to the T-50 and export orders.
Let's hope that there will be no problems ..
And then 150 living boards of still Soviet-built by 2025, which, of course, I was optimistic about.

[reklats34]

have someone to catch up

[mamuka]

The insane lag in combat helicopters and training aircraft attracts attention. and in general, with our small budget, in comparison with the united Europe or China, the need to have a comparable Air Force, and so on - is sadly and economically attractive for utopia. though nowhere to go

[family tree]

Well, cho, the case is small, to make pilots in the amount, perhaps more complicated than aircraft

[Banishing liberoids]

Honestly, a good wish, only we have, as always, problems with the fulfillment of these desires.

[Ivan Ivanov]

If this figure is minimally sufficient, why drive export? Extra power dofiga?

[mamuka]

export is needed so that there is something to rivet yourself. it’s better for yourself 20 and 50 Algeria, for example, to do, than only 5 for yourself due to internal reserves. and it’s not our enemy that Algeria or India. another thing is china selling s400 - frankly fraught

[Andrey1990]

I think that they are unlikely to meet the deadline. But in any case, the more quality aviation we have, the better!

[muhomor]

in Turkey (NATO member) about 350 fighters. Given that in Siberia it is impossible to do without airplanes, it turns out that in the European part of the Russian Federation only Turkey can set an equilibrium number of fighters. And in general, for such a huge country like Russia, 700 fighters are not enough!

[Alexey-74]

700 pieces is a very serious figure, especially since the cars are some of the best in the world and the pilots, respectively ... by 2025, I think the T-50s will be no more than 10% of the total, the remaining 35th and 30th, plus Mig- 35 (?) .... and of course, naval aviation was hardly included here

[mr.redpartizan]

700 pieces is a drop in the bucket for such a vast territory. It is necessary to have at least twice as much, and three times better. For money, given the length of supply, we’ll pull. The life of the aircraft is approximately 30 years, so it is necessary to produce 50-60 fighters per year to maintain the number of 1500-1800 aircraft.

[Holoy]

With our air defense system, it’s enough ... Air defense is still developing ...

[Knight Rider]

Only yesterday wrote about it. Guess the number in 700 fighter aircraft by 2025 looks quite achievable. And it’s clearly only about VCS, and about airplanes in combat shelves. And the vast majority of aircraft will be not older than 2010 of the year, and of the "Soviet" ones, only the modernized MiG-31BM / BSM and a number of modernized Su-27SM / SM3 will remain.
Navy Air Force is another topic. And the 45th Air Force and Air Defense is the Northern Fleet.

[Odysseus]

Quote: KnightRider

I think the number of 700 fighters by 2025 looks quite achievable. And we are clearly talking only about the VKS, moreover, about airplanes in combat regiments.

This is overly optimistic. It turns out that you need to build more than 500 boards.

[Odysseus]

Quote: KnightRider

I think the number of 700 fighters by 2025 looks quite achievable. And we are clearly talking only about the VKS, moreover, about airplanes in combat regiments.

Sorry, more than 400. But still super optimistic.

[Knight Rider]

Quote: Odyssey

Sorry, more than 400. But still super optimistic.

500 ... 400 ... And before that, you wrote about the 300s
bmpd writes: Thus, according to an optimistic scenario, in 2025, the Russian Air Force fighter fleet may number up to 480-500 fighters of a new construction with a service life of less than 20 years (approximately 50 T-50S, 150-170 Su-35S, 150-170 Su-30SM, 30 Su-27SM3 / Su-30M2, 50 MiG-29SMT / UB, 36 MiG- 35) and up 210 modernized fighters of old types (up to 90 Su-27SM / SM3, 120 MiG-31BM / BSM).

[Odysseus]

Quote: KnightRider

500 ... 400 ... And before that, you wrote about the 300s

Chuchka is not a writer, chuchka is a bookkeeper This is me to myself, of course)))
As for 300 new ones, this is if you include sailors and test centers (where there are a lot of planes) among the 700.
If you count only the videoconferencing system and only in combat regiments, you get 400.

Quote: KnightRider

30 Su-27SM3 / Su-30M2, 50 MiG-29SMT / UB, 36 MiG-35

Absolutely real, only a part will be in training centers, pulp and paper industry,

Quote: KnightRider

150-170 Su-30SM,

It’s also real, only part of the sailors will have a part in training centers.

Quote: KnightRider

150-170 Su-35S

Actually, but rather 150. Part in the CA.

Quote: KnightRider

50 T-50C

This is already optimistic, but possible. Again, part in the CA.

Quote: KnightRider

and up to 210 modernized fighters of old types

But in this I do not believe absolutely. 150 old boards is a maximum of 100 Mig-31 and up to 50 Su-27.
PS Well, I'm for optimism. The more, the better!

[eleronn]

Stupidity, stupidity, greed and state crime! Well, we don’t need so many heavy fighters !!! Where are the light cars? I know perfectly both the MiG-29 and Su-27. Su-27 capricious, difficult to operate, it's tryndets, comrades! Where are the technicians and engineers exploiting this shit (compared to the MiG-29/35)?

[Krabik]

Technicians have long described everything in past articles about airplanes.

[Ustinov 055 055]

Quote: NEXUS

Are you serious? PAK FA with product 30 it will not even be a 5th generation fighter (although here the concept of generations is very arbitrary), but a transitional fighter to 6th generation, that is 5+. And it will be a completely different machine than the one now.

With such engines, it is 4 ++ and not 5E PAK FA while it shines with its nozzles in general as 4+