Su-22 in Syria

In the Syrian Air Force, to this day, the Soviet Su-22 (export version of the Su-17, fighter-bomber, nicknamed "Swift" during the Afghan war) continues to remain one of the main attack aircraft. Messenger of Mordovia.

C-22 capable of carrying more than 4 tons of combat load, incl. - high precision weapon. True, the Syrians use mostly unguided rockets, such as NAR C-24 (their weight reaches 235 kg, the mass of the warhead - 123 kg, length - 2,3 m).

“These machines continue to be used intensively in combat. The number of combat-ready aircraft currently has about three dozen. During the civil war lost 8 aircraft. Probably, some of the cars dropped out due to malfunctions, after all, the planes are not new, ”says the publication of a comment by military expert Yuri Lyamin.

According to him, Su-22 is based on 3-x airfields: "Shairat - to the south-east of Homs, Dumeyr - to the northeast of Damascus and Tiyas (Т4) - to the west of Palmyra." The latter is now trying to attack the terrorists.

“There were reports that the planes were transferred from T-4 to other air bases when the militants approached, but according to some sources, some of the aircraft were abandoned or have already been returned,” the expert added.

Comments

[Engineer]

They called the Swifts Su-17, because the Su-22s were not in service in the Union - these are export aircraft with other engines, therefore our pilots could not fly them and call the Su-22 Swifts.

[dedBoroded]

The Su-22 was in service with the Afghan Air Force in those years. When basing on the same airfields, Soviet pilots could very well get to know him.

[Odysseus]

Quote: Engineer

They called the Swifts Su-17, because the Su-22s were not in service with the Union - these are export aircraft with other engines, therefore our pilots could not fly them and call the Su-22 Swifts

Su-22 is a slightly simplified Su-17M2. He was familiar to our pilots as flaky.

[okko077]

Both of you are not accurate. The latest export version is the simplified SU-17M4, with the Al-21F3 engines. Our SU-17M4 destroyed everything at the bases. This is an excellent aircraft, which was created for such conflicts, all aircraft in Syria are redundant and used for other purposes. On the version of the IBA, high-altitude, or rather programmed, bombing with the help of radio-technical systems was implemented, which was almost not inferior to the modern Hephaestus ...

[Odysseus]

Quote: okko077

The latest export option is the simplified SU-17M4

This is absolutely true, but the Engineer was talking about the Su-22, and this is the Su-17M2. . And about the fact that ours did not fly on them.
By the way, Su-22s were also delivered to Syria, although they probably did not survive to this day.
But the name of the export modification of the Su-17M4 is called, alas, I do not remember.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

external state judging by the photo-treshak ... desert camouflage.

[Lekxnumx]

But dear ones fly! Try to force any other plane, any other country to take off in approximately this state. This is the USSR will fly.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Lek3338

But dear ones fly!

Lord! How long has it all been! And they still fly .... I understand when the Zaporozhets is still driving - so that one on the ground. And this one FLIES .... What words can describe the gratitude to our designers? I am not Yesenin, I don’t know such words. It's just - the heart is torn from gratitude and nothing else ...

[Iline]

Back in 1979 - 1980 he repaired these aircraft, including from Syria. When the fuselage (F-1 and F-2) was undocked, the sand of the Syrian deserts began to pour long and tedious from the Syrian aircraft. Then they were still very surprised how in this state the plane could fly at all. But the famous brainchild of Sukhoi was very unpretentious in maintenance.

[Maksus]

Yes, they will fly just as cute. Phantoms and Freedom fighters still fly.

[Lekxnumx]

Well then show the Phantom a glider which is flying in such a state. Carefully wiping a dust particle, repairing the nodes, of course they fly. But in this state, make it fly, as if years without maintenance, look at the glider. In short, one photo from the Phantom's combat use is approximately in such a state and the SHABASH DIVORED.

[Maksus]

And in what condition is the glider drying? So far, only crappy paint is visible, but it somehow doesn’t have a big effect on flight performance.

[Zoldat_A]

I wrote below.

They fly badly, it should be noted, when in the sky "Sushki" ....... We remember from Vietnam ...

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Maksus

Phantoms and Freedom fighters still fly.

They fly badly, it should be noted, when in the sky "Sushki" ....... We remember from Vietnam ...

[Warrior with machine gun]

Yes, the smoker still lives, what safety margin the Union had in the machines, the look certainly is no longer a fountain, and they probably already breathe offal, but it’s not from a good life and a little from the greed of the local dad, so far it was necessary to quietly to get a newer one.

[Mikado]

like, they are still in service with Poland.
I have no relation to aviation, but, as I understand it, the post-war concept of a fighter-bomber was not entirely correct. The output was a mediocre attack aircraft and no fighter. Therefore, they returned to the attack aircraft in the person of the Su-25.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Mikado

like, they are still in service with Poland.
I have no relation to aviation, but, as I understand it, the post-war concept of a fighter-bomber was not entirely correct. The output was a mediocre attack aircraft and no fighter. Therefore, they returned to the attack aircraft in the person of the Su-25.

I do not agree with the theory of evolution for crazy grandfather Darwin, but the fact that jet aircraft is evolving is undeniable and obvious!

[Rus2012]

Quote: Mikado

The output was a mediocre attack aircraft and no fighter.

... Su-7B and its descendant Su-17 are from the category of "fighter-bomber", with an emphasis on the second part - "bomber". With the task of destroying important ground point targets ... He coped superbly with this task. The pilots who flew on it with special emphasis called themselves - "Fighter-bomber, we can conduct an air battle and we can work out on the ground." Moreover, they also practiced a complex method of bombing "from pitching up" with a drop during acceleration upward and immediately after uncoupling - an immediate departure from the trajectory with a decrease.
Were among the pilots of fighter-bombers, etc. "atomic colonels" with specific tasks ... The last Su-17M4s - had the ability to "automatic bombing" with a predetermined program, from the moment of separation, the completion of the task and until the moment of touchdown.

Although the Su-17 did have the ability to conduct air combat against western third-generation aircraft, it, like its predecessor, the Su-7, was almost never used as a fighter.

[iouris]

Quote: Rus2012

had the ability to "automatic bombing"

With a probability close to 0,9, you could even get into a rectangle of about 1200x400 (meters, Karl!).
Then GLONASS did not work yet, the RSDN worked unstably, and the RSBN was "pushed" to the landfill.
The main type of bombing remains from a dive with angles of 18-20 degrees. In this case, the pilot with the probability of 0,9 can put the bomb in the rectangle 180x120 (if it is not shot down).
Thrills the survivability of Soviet aircraft.

[Rus2012]

Quote: iouris

The main type of bombing remains from a dive with angles of 18-20 degrees. In this case, the pilot with the probability of 0,9 can put the bomb in the rectangle 180x120 (if it is not shot down).

:)))
When using special products, such accuracy is more than enough!
My friend told me, on the plane of which they practiced a special task.
"Atomic Colonel" flew off, returned.
They ask: "How is it?"
Answers - "Excellent".
They ask - "Got it?"
- "It was not required" ...

On the Su-17m4, the PrNK-54 made it possible to provide increased accuracy in hitting during bombing and launching missiles. When diving from a dive, the probable deviation of the total dispersion of bombs from the target for the Su-17M4 was, on average, 20-30 mwhereas for Su-17МЗ these parameters were equal to 35-45 m.
From horizontal flight, the bombing was characterized by twice the accuracy (25-35 m versus 45-55 m), at the level of MiG-27 and front-line bombers Su-24M.
Navigational bombing with target acquisition at given coordinates did not differ with such accuracy, but it made it possible with a high degree of probability to hit large stationary ground targets according to the data previously entered into the PrNK "memory" at any time of the day in any weather, which significantly expanded the capabilities of the machine - previously aimed bombing at night without target illumination and in adverse weather conditions was almost impossible.

Another innovation that came to the "em-four" with the advent of the sighting and navigation system was the possibility of using two types of weapons in one approach to the target (earlier in the IBA, only Mikoyan fighter-bombers MiG-27 could boast of this). On the Su-17M4, the PrNK equipment provided the possibility of launching an UR with a laser or television seeker, NAR, or firing from an SPPU at a target from a dive, and at the exit from it, on a signal from a digital computer, automatic dropping of bombs followed.

[iouris]

I have never met anyone writing about the results of the combat use of the SPPU-23 and two types of weapons in one run. The same can be said about exotic methods of bombing: navigation, by the "set point" and from pitching.
The data you have provided about the KVO of 20-30 m and even 35-45 m are most likely taken from the standards of assessments of KBP IS and ShA of the 80s. These standards, most likely, were justified by the results of one of the dissertations. Confirm them with polygon bombing (when it was relevant) was not possible. Actually, the axial CVO were in the region of 90 m and 60 m respectively.

[basmach]

No offense, but you can be clever if you know the technique alive. I served as an engineer of the Prnk in 523 Orsha apib (1st year - concrete, 3 - in the "mine" - until they were disbanded .. Typical combat use on flights - bomb (P-50-75) + cannon (15 pcs) or Nur (S-5-4pcs) + cannon, almost every flight to the range. The modes of application were provided on the remote control in the cockpit (I don't remember the name, with 23BN with "Kaira" which) With high-quality zeroing and adjustment (and correct input of all parameters of the characteristic time, current pressure, exceeding the target, etc.) gives a decent accuracy. And do not forget that they are laying a series of bombs. Bombs are still not high-precision weapons. The school had a task on combat use, and so an outfit of 4 Su-24s with OFAB-250. I also had a chance to visit the test site, selected "practitioners" in a circle, and more than one. I was in Syria in 95th near Hims, even then there were not enough spare parts for the M4 (I mean my PrNK). what they are flying now, I don’t know, but the Orbit digital computer is most likely already dead. "Klen-54" are tenacious (fortunately, the climate is dry, they are lags do not like, always gimor was with drying cartridges). Experienced flyers bombed without a complex, on the LDPE. I prepared and for missile launches (Kh-29L) in the "mine" almost all of the "native" 2nd was brought in, we had a "rocket" one. By the way, there are 2 types of pitch-up bombing - one is just along the extended point (when the pitch-up angle does not exceed 45 degrees, the other when the angle is at 90 degrees (i.e., after the bomb is lifted off, it goes almost vertically and so it falls, the accuracy is higher. used, and there was no point in them, of their own 2 HP-30s with 80 bk each (through one bz-ofz). And in general, for its time there was an excellent plane, but the M4 was not enough, already by 91 our regiment and regiment in Germany, and our planes were from Pereyaslovka and were 10 years old, the youngest was 39 out of 1 AE, already with PIKSs from the factory came. (not to be confused with KDS-23)

[okko077]

You forgot the most important thing. The C54 has a digital scope, it is reliable and does not require constant checks and adjustments, like on the C32M2 and C52. It was an advanced machine for its time and for such local conflicts as in Syria. In some cases, the combat use of it surpasses the SU-25 .... We don’t have such a class of demanded and relatively simple machines .... It is a pity that the new version of such a C54 / C55 / C56 aircraft did not go into series, although it was designed. They wanted to install one engine on it based on the AL-31. Now it’s a gap in our aircraft industry and there’s nothing to fix it. And the aircraft is very necessary, including for export, to this day .....

[Zaurbek]

Moreover, when meeting with Israeli fighters, the Su-22 always lost their way ...

[iouris]

Essno, Su-17 or MiG-27 are not fighters at all.

[okko077]

Zaurbek. A very stupid remark, a person very far from aviation .....

[just exp]

but now the concept is changing and the fighter is becoming a bomber, the same F-16 for example, and our drying is the same.

[Mikado]

this is with the condition of using high-precision ammunition from heights inaccessible to the fire of machine guns and MANPADS. For "processing the enemy with direct fire" (ground attack), we have a Su-25, and the Americans have a Tandebolt.

[okko077]

The concept is not verbiage. How can one put so much stupidity into one sentence. Just what? Exploitation? You didn’t stand next to her ......

[Odysseus]

Quote: Mikado

like, they are still in service with Poland.

And not only in Poland.

Quote: Mikado

I have no relation to aviation, but, as I understand it, the post-war concept of a fighter-bomber was not entirely correct.

Let's just say that it did not justify all the hopes assigned to it. Su-17 in fact was more like a bomber, and not bad.
In addition, he perfectly performed one of the most important tasks - he was the main (along with the Mig-27) tactical aircraft carrier nuclear weapons.

[Mikado]

In addition, he perfectly performed one of the most important tasks - he was the main (along with the Mig-27) tactical aircraft carrier nuclear weapons.

Yes, I forgot something about it. Amers, like, also had similar planes, of the same class.

[Zaurbek]

Tornado for example ... European.

[Mikado]

can add another F-105 Thunderchief

[Odysseus]

Quote: Mikado

Amers, like, also had similar planes, of the same class.

There were, and many. Starting with the F-84. In the 80s, F-16 was used for this. But, IMHO, it is in this capacity that the Su-17 is better.

[iouris]

Migi -21, -23 are also "carriers".

[iouris]

Quote: Odyssey

Su-17 in fact was more likely a bomber, and not bad

NATO calls such aircraft "strike". In the USSR, highly specialized aircraft were built: fighters or light bombers (the so-called fighter-bombers). This, in general, is true, because air combat and striking ground targets are too different tasks and with a flight time of 100 hours a year, the pilot could not become multifunctional.

[padded jacket]

Quote: Mikado

like, they are still in service with Poland.

Now Iran is recovering at an accelerated pace the Su-22 of various modifications from those 20-24 aircraft that flew to it from Iraq in 1991.
It turns out quite tolerably that they even installed a refueling rod in the air (or is it full-time?) Where is the truth, they do not understand the parts and engines ..
Some forums say that maybe they will go to Syria.

[Mikado]

only they will go to Syria - it is of little use to use it against a modern enemy. The car is old, but it can bring benefits in the war. Again, if you get knocked down, not so sorry.

[padded jacket]

Quote: Mikado

only to Syria and go

Most likely it is because Iran hardly even has trained pilots for these aircraft.

[Zaurbek]

SVP-24 install and can be used perfectly. Su-24s are used from 5000m. And the Su-22 also has better navigation capabilities.

[Mikado]

and spare parts, I think, in Syria enough))

[padded jacket]

Quote: Mikado

and spare parts, I think, in Syria enough))

Perhaps you're right. Spare parts come from Syria and Iran, in view of the availability of Su-22 specialists, is recovering, and most likely in Syria we will see them in the future ..

[Mikado]

in Syria, the fleet is represented mainly by models of the 70-80s. Therefore, if the valiant Assad soldiers (I very much doubt their moral qualities) do not give all the warehouses to the barmel men, there should be enough spare parts.

[padded jacket]

Quote: Mikado

Therefore, if the valiant Assad soldiers (I very much doubt their moral qualities) do not give all the depots to the barmel men

If it's not a secret, have you seen a lot of such "warehouses"?

[Mikado]

I personally have not seen. But it seems that only the day before yesterday the barmalei posted a record with the next captured base. Fake is not fake, but sad. Something like this. If the army surrenders to the enemy warehouses with machine guns right in the boxes, no help will be enough to win the war.

[Black Colonel]

Old horse furrow does not spoil

[padded jacket]

Quote: Black Colonel

Old horse furrow does not spoil

Here's another "old horse" in Syria.

[okko077]

Well, how old is he? On the keel hole of the cooling system of the blocks, this is an export version of the SU-17M4 ......

[Taygerus]

Quote: Black Colonel

Old horse furrow does not spoil

the main thing is that plows well

[Evil 55]

Real "kites of war" .. 50 years in the ranks .. mattress makers never dreamed of such reliability ..

[voyaka uh]

Dreamed. B-52.
It was produced from 52 to 62 years. There are still 85 in service.

[Zaurbek]

Phantoms ... Tu-95 ... Migi 21, 23 ....

[Odysseus]

Quote: voyaka uh

Dreamed. B-52.
It was produced from 52 to 62 years. There are still 85 in service.

There the quality of service is 100 times better. The Su-17, like the Su-7, is really not a killer. Very unpretentious plane.

[sharp-lad]

Yes, there was a time when "eternal" military aircraft were built in the states, not just now, it had not yet taken off, but already for repairs (Fu 35)! Although scientific and reconnaissance satellites are still building on the rating "excellent"!

[shura7782]

Native silhouette of the Su 17m4.
Oh, where are you young years ?!

[okko077]

Everyone loved this plane. Pilots for reliability, simplicity and a very comfortable spacious cabin. Techniques for reliability and simplicity, and there was a special fluid on it. And the Su-17M4 simply has no price to this day ... The requirements for airfield equipment are minimal. Well, not all-weather, well, the engine is not economical ..... Comparing the SU24 in operation and reliability, it wasn’t standing next to it ..... And in Syria, the SU-24M is used instead of the Su-17M4, because there are none .... .And this flying iron 24M is not younger .....

[Gost171]

Thank you for the article and the pictures, excited. Youth. Vozdvizhenka, Pushkino,
colleagues. With cobbing or picking, or attacking from an extremely small height the beast machine. When there was already a lot of blood coming from my ears sometimes ... I didn’t think that they were still flying.

[nivander]

In Afghanistan, there was such a method: a peaceful Afghan farmer or shepherd poured a bucket of green / white / orange paint on the trail, so it coincided that exactly under the place of pouring there was a cave vault / fork in the kiryaz system / peak of a mountain trail. And after a while, exactly to this place. crashed BETAB500 / 1000 in a "stupid" version. You will be surprised, but for Soviet pilots who flew in Afghanistan on SU-17, dropping a bomb from a height of 6000 m and getting it into a barrel from a solarium was considered a normal such phenomenon

[shura7782]

Quote: nivasander

...................... You will be surprised, but for Soviet pilots flying in Afghanistan on a SU-17, drop a bomb from a height of 6000 m and get it into a barrel from under tanning salons were considered normal such a phenomenon

You are just a storyteller !!!