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Unknown War. 11 Panfilov Heroes

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Morning of the Hero of the Fatherland Day, 144 kilometer of Volokolamsk highway. The monument, which is called the “explosion” on the Internet, because it symbolizes a German self-propelled gun exploded on a mine. The place of yet another unprecedented feat of the fighters of the division of Panfilov, unfortunately, remained in some shadow of Dubosekov.





Our story is dedicated to the heroes of General Panfilov's 316 Division. Only it will not be about the 28 fighters, but about the 11-sappers of the 1077 regiment under the command of Lieutenant Firstov.

11 sappers in November 1941 were able to delay for five hours the advance to Moscow of two dozen German tanks and hundreds of Nazi soldiers. What gave their regiment the opportunity to retreat to reserve positions and continue the battle.

The regiment’s withdrawal was to be provided by three cover groups. In the central direction to cover the waste was entrusted to a platoon of sappers Junior Lieutenant Peter Firstov. Apparently, the 11 man is all that remains of the platoon at that time.

The Firstova group included:
Junior Political Advisor Alexei Pavlov;
assistant platoon commander Alexei Zubkov.
The Red Army:
Pavel Sinegovsky;
Gleb Ulchenko;
Vasily Semenov;
Prokofy Kalyuzhny;
Yerofey Dovzhuk;
Vasily Manyushin;
Peter of Genius;
Daniel Materkin.

Photographs of fighters have reached our time. Let not all, but reached.

















There was no heavy anti-tank weapon at their disposal - only mines, grenades and bottles with a combustible mixture. And the combat task: to restrain the onslaught as long as possible so that the regiment could prepare for the defense of the new frontier.

At about 10 in the morning of 18 in November of 1941, the Nazis with a total of two dozen tanks moved up to the position of soldiers of the first lieutenant Firstov.

The battle of a dozen Red Army soldiers against an enemy battalion stretched out for five hours. During this time, the soldiers of Lieutenant Firstov killed and wounded dozens of Germans, burned two tanks and five more seriously injured.

The last onslaught of the Germans was met by three: Lieutenant Firstov and Red Army men Semenov and Genievsky. The rest by that time were either killed or seriously injured.

About three o'clock in the afternoon, the Nazis captured the position of sappers near the village of Strokovo.

Eleven people. Without anti-tank guns and guns. Without the support of artillery. Five hours.

Five hours of life for a battered 1077 regiment. Five hours to move to spare positions, prepare to repel new attacks.

Five hours and eleven people ...

The fate of the sappers of Lieutenant Firstov in November 1941 of the year in the 1077 regiment was never known. It was clear only one thing - they completed the assigned combat task, detaining the enemy for a sufficient time.

The feat became known in June 1942 of the year, after the offensive, when a burial was discovered near the village of Strokovo in May, in which the Soviet soldiers found 10's bodies, and the villagers told about the details of the battle.

3 June 1942, the 10 panfilov sappers were buried in a mass grave on the outskirts of Strokovo.

Why is 10, if 11 participated in the battle? It turns out that one of the sappers, Gleb Ulchenko, still managed to survive. He was hid and left by the locals. When the counterattack of the Soviet troops began and Strokovo was freed, the Red Army soldier Ulchenko returned to the active army.

Unfortunately, he did not live to win - in March 1943, after another severe injury, Gleb Ulchenko died in hospital.









In the summer of 1942, the command submitted all the participants of the battle near the village of Strokovo to be awarded the title Hero of the Soviet Union (posthumously). "Upstairs", however, decided to award the dead engineers the Order of Lenin. This is the only case in World War II, when immediately a whole squad of sappers was awarded a high government award.

Today, this memorial, as well as Dubosek, is being attacked by nonhumans from among the slanderers of our stories. And the self-propelled gun, they say, did not take part in the attack on Strokovo, and tanks were hit not so much. Although the self-propelled gun was extracted by search engines from the swamp just in these places, but that is not the point.

The same claims as for 28 Panfilov. And it was not so, and not here.

But the Panfilov heroes stood to death not for the sake of awards and memorials. The main reward for their courage was the opportunity for their comrades to continue the battle for Moscow, the battle for the country.

And if someone is advantageous and sweet from expressing doubts about the feat of the soldiers of General Panfilov, then this is a problem of those who are difficult to call people. But it is not their ancestors who firmly clung to the land from Leningrad to Rostov in that terrible autumn.

The Firstova sappers knew that there would be no help. There will be no counterattacks, there will be no reinforcements. They knew that this was their last fight.

So let them judge the scum and the villains of history, we just bowed to the heroes.

Glory and eternal memory!





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  1. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 15 December 2016 05: 55
    11
    Let the world saved be remembered ..........

    Just no words.
    1. Diana Ilyina
      Diana Ilyina 15 December 2016 09: 51
      23
      And if someone is advantageous and sweet from expressing doubts about the feat of the soldiers of General Panfilov, then this is a problem of those who are difficult to call people. But it is not their ancestors who firmly clung to the land from Leningrad to Rostov in that terrible autumn.
      In fact of the matter. Who cares how many fighters Dubosekovo had 28 or 128 ?! THEY ALL DONE THE EXPLOIT !!! It’s another matter that we must restore justice and reward all those whom we simply forgot in the turmoil. But nitpicking about the fact that it was not so and not there, it’s just an attempt to spit on their graves, an attempt to wipe their feat, to wash it out and forget it! And those who do this are definitely not people! I have a definition for them, but for obvious reasons I will not voice it. And if there is Hell in the next world, then they are sure to burn in Hell ...

      PS Eternal memory to the heroes who stood to death near the walls of Moscow, dying in Sevastopol and Stalngrad, burning in tanks near Prokhorovka, who died on the steps of the Reichstag in the last minutes of the war! To all dead and alive!
      1. Stas57
        Stas57 15 December 2016 11: 07
        +3


        In fact of the matter. Who cares how many fighters Dubosekovo had 28 or 128 ?!

        ordinary Soviet excuse, excuse for those who do not care.
        what is the difference between 28 or 128.
        what difference did they die or not
        Let's stick in a concrete statue or bayonet and write "no one is forgotten".
        well, we remember the type, so the road to the bones is not a problem for us to put ..
        And the fact that Klochkov is lying there behind the garden, (well, at least they didn’t dig the needy next to us) it doesn’t matter to us, what's the difference?
        Everlasting memory! nobody is forgotten!
        The truth is lying around in the gardens, well, then who cares .... and who delves, this scum is over!
        1. Diana Ilyina
          Diana Ilyina 15 December 2016 11: 23
          14
          stas57 Today, 11:07 ↑
          The truth is lying around in the gardens, well, then who cares .... and who delves, this scum is over!
          I did not expect anything else from you. fool However, to enter into correspondence with you and explain what I meant, I do not have the slightest desire. Goodbye for the sim. negative
          1. Stas57
            Stas57 15 December 2016 12: 32
            0
            so it’s fine, it's great
            1. PHANTOM-AS
              PHANTOM-AS 15 December 2016 19: 34
              +3
              Quote: Stas57
              ordinary Soviet excuse, excuse for those who do not care.
              what is the difference between 28 or 128.

              What did you mean by that? Hello ?!
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                1. mikael
                  mikael 16 December 2016 08: 20
                  +4
                  are you talking to yourself now? you shouldn’t be offended by nature, well, she saved on your brain, well, no matter what, she may not have cheated you in anything else, and most importantly, don’t be upset
                2. PHANTOM-AS
                  PHANTOM-AS 16 December 2016 09: 30
                  +4
                  Quote: Stas57
                  where did you get so many fools on the forum?

                  But why be rude?
                  For me, all those who died during the Great Patriotic War are heroes!
                  Tog Sodat, who rose in his first attack in his life and who was torn apart by a mortar mine, is a hero because he was able to rise in this very attack. Heroes are all dead and survivors.
                  And 28 Panfilov’s is a collective image of all the soldiers who defended their homeland. Even if this is fiction, it should have been to raise the morale of the whole army.
                  If you jumped out of the trench under massive artillery fire, machine-gun fire, under the bombs of diving bombers, then you are already a hero. And how many such unknown heroes were millions and millions. One enumeration of all the dead will take more than one year.
                  Therefore, in Moscow they unveiled a monument to the Unknown Soldier, as a tribute to the memory of all those who died, EVERYTHING!
                  1. Alexey RA
                    Alexey RA 16 December 2016 10: 23
                    0
                    Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                    And 28 Panfilov’s is a collective image of all the soldiers who defended their homeland. Even if this is fiction, it should have been to raise the morale of the whole army.

                    If it were a really collective generalized image, everything would be much simpler. The problem is that the "myth of 28" has the names of real people. Whose biographies do not fight with myth at all. Especially one in 28. wink
                    Our "probable opponents" in such cases, after their exposure, such myths were quietly sent to a distant shelf, making them an object of interest only for historians - like the same myth about "Kelly's ram." Because the war is over, and raising the spirit of the nation in peacetime with the help of dubious myths is more precious to us. Better to PR 100% of the hero - like the same John Basilone or Audie Murphy.
                    1. PHANTOM-AS
                      PHANTOM-AS 16 December 2016 10: 56
                      +3
                      Quote: Alexey RA
                      The problem is that the "myth of 28" has the names of real people. Biographies of which do not fight with myth at all. Especially one in 28.

                      Suppose, but this does not negate the fact that these people fought, and accordingly there are heroes.
                      And this phrase “There is nowhere to retreat - Moscow is behind!”, Even if it was not uttered by political instructor Klochkov, it should have been invented.
                      Then there were simply no other options!
                      Honestly, for me, digging in was, it wasn’t not only meaningless, but even dangerous, in the sense of the younger generation!
                      There is no need to rewrite anything even if something is not beating there, doubts will begin to arise, and this worm (doubt) can give rise to disbelief in the mass heroism of Soviet soldiers.
                      Here it is necessary to discover new facts about the exploits of unknown heroes and to magnify them, and rewriting is worthless.
                      There is a book "In the footsteps of tank tracks", I read it in my youth and I do not want to question the events described there, even if it does not correspond to historical facts.
                      1. Alexey RA
                        Alexey RA 16 December 2016 15: 17
                        0
                        Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                        Then there were simply no other options!

                        Then yes. But 75 years have passed since then. And ideologically correct, but historically vulnerable myths during this time should have been removed. Because these myths are the best breeding ground for revisionists. The same Rezun grew up and started to vote precisely on the products of the vital activity of the department of Epishev.
                        Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                        There is no need to rewrite anything even if something is not beating there, doubts will begin to arise, and this worm (doubt) can give rise to disbelief in the mass heroism of Soviet soldiers.

                        If we do not do it, they will do it for us. For the materials on the well-known case "twice policeman" were published in the late 80s.
                        The longer it takes to build history and patriotic education on refuted myths, the harder the blow will be and the more painful it will fall. The revisionism of the 90s guarantees ... how many years have passed, and the theories of "Hitler's preemptive strike" and "the people did not want to fight for Stalin" are still popular. But they grew up precisely on criticism of the official hurray propaganda, and often the arguments were the official documents.
                        Moreover, there were plenty of confirmed feats and mass heroism in that war. Instead of "28" it was possible to take the same "11 sappers" or the earlier Ilyinsky lines.
                        Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                        Here it is necessary to discover new facts about the exploits of unknown heroes and to magnify them, and rewriting is worthless.

                        Gorgeous. And what then do you order to do with the same battalion of Captain Kim? The very battalion that detained the Eberbach campaign group near Krichev for several hours?
                        After all, he fought at the same time and in the same place where, according to the myth, the lone gunner Sirotinin was smashing a German column.
                        Here already either a cross or underpants...
                        Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                        There is a book "In the footsteps of tank tracks", I read it in my youth and I do not want to question the events described there, even if it does not correspond to historical facts.

                        And I read the memoirs of Popel. And then I read the scans of the docks behind him, Popel, with a signature - which did not fight at all with memoirs. sad
                  2. Stas57
                    Stas57 22 December 2016 12: 20
                    0
                    For me, all those who died during the Great Patriotic War are heroes!

                    everything is straight
                    and then there cowards, traitors, alarmists, shot on the battlefield the same?
                3. Talgat
                  Talgat 21 December 2016 18: 06
                  +4
                  Quote: Stas57
                  where did you get so many fools on the forum?


                  No Stas57. We are not "insane"

                  We all understand - and that. that there was a propaganda move about 28 heroes - and perhaps embellished something - and phrases might have been added

                  The war was going on - and the information war too. So it goes now. And you Stas - clearly on the wrong side. Here we are on the side of our grandfathers and great-grandfathers - with grenades stopping "Europe" and its tanks near Moscow. And you?

                  Even if 28 is a beautiful fairy tale - it was based on real events - and more than likely - much more tragic and heroic than what we know. After all, somehow such an ENEMY was stopped! It is a fact. And Panfilov’s division is a fact! And God knows what they actually survived. who was pulled out of sunny Almaty near Moscow in that terrible winter - what did they survive before dying? Maybe. that in reality it was also worse than the story of 28. I read about Baurzhan Momysh - Ula - that he was one of the most productive commanders near Moscow 1941 - it sounds like about football - but in fact, they fought and died to the same place.

                  I am from Almaty and am proud of the history of my city - and the Panfilov monument in the 28 Heroes Park is also proud of - my fellow countrymen made their victory, and I am sure. what will they do again if necessary.
                  1. Stas57
                    Stas57 22 December 2016 12: 22
                    0
                    No Stas57. We are not "insane"

                    foolish concerned this comment
                    What did you mean by that? Hello ?!

                    Do you see a big mind in this post? Well, sorry.
                    1. PHANTOM-AS
                      PHANTOM-AS 22 December 2016 15: 45
                      0
                      Quote: Stas57
                      ordinary soviet

                      I answered this phrase.
                      Quote: Talgat
                      and then there cowards, traitors, alarmists, shot on the battlefield the same?

                      I had in mind the faithful oath and homeland. soldier
                      1. Stas57
                        Stas57 23 December 2016 00: 00
                        +1
                        And 28 Panfilov’s is a collective image of all the soldiers who defended their homeland. Even if this is fiction, it should have been to raise the morale of the whole army.

                        the symbol in 41 and the symbol now are different symbols.

                        Well, for the 100 time, I can repeat that the symbol is an excuse for the lazy and low-minded, and the concrete bayonet in the field is an indulgence for the memoryless.

                        those who are too lazy to know about memory and victory - they have a mythical symbol - once a year to pay off his debt, to coat at the monument and forget all this for the remaining 360 days.
                        and it’s advanced, different, and it doesn’t.

                        and the symbol is empty.
                        how most of the graves are empty, you know that probably 70% of Soviet graves are empty - they transferred there according to the list of orders in 50-60, confused the lists, doubled the name.
                        They raised a fighter, opened a medal (so much joy), and for 50 years he has been lying in 10 km in a mass grave ...
                        in my hometown of M. in the central mass grave of 108 names, really lies ... 4 !, no, not 41, but four people found by our squad and 1 while laying the connection in 80x.

                        such a memory.
                        Do you want to tell how they gave out a rural cemetery for mass execution, or how they wanted to tamp the bones with a tractor, because they did not get into a symbolic coffin.
                        and the symbol is needed for the lazy, unable to even name 28 by their last names, or at least to name Panfilov’s first name without errors.

                        such a memory, such symbols
            2. Sartorius
              Sartorius 16 December 2016 05: 11
              +1
              Demagogue Detected.
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  2. V.ic
    V.ic 15 December 2016 06: 23
    11
    It's good that articles like this break through the wall of lies built by "our" "independent" media!
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 15 December 2016 07: 32
      +4
      It may not only be a lie, but a huge amount of informational garbage. In order to find out something necessary, right, a person must make significant efforts. It is full of all nonsense that rises from all sides to the head.
    2. Duisenbay Bankankulov
      Duisenbay Bankankulov 15 December 2016 07: 44
      +3
      But a drop in the ocean is not able to change all the bad things that were poured on the heroes - Panfilov’s, and not only on them. No one will stop the program of brainwashing yet, because opponents can be counted on the fingers, but the forces are not the same ...
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 15 December 2016 08: 44
        +7
        Our enemies are waging a tireless struggle against everything Soviet. Constantly, painstakingly, not knowing rest. , they only saw the results 45 years later.
        Water wears away the stone. Just these drops should be many and often
      2. kuz363
        kuz363 15 December 2016 20: 56
        +3
        But in Almaty, too, there were trial stuffing about renaming the Park of 28 Panfilov heroes! But fortunately they were stopped, I do not remember, the public or city authorities.
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 15 December 2016 21: 15
          0
          It's great that you have such a park and the name has been preserved!
  3. Stas57
    Stas57 15 December 2016 08: 44
    +1
    Well, here is 2 moment-
    firstly known.
    and secondly, there is an opinion that the loggers from her licked the 28 bike.
    1. V.ic
      V.ic 15 December 2016 11: 00
      +7
      Quote: Stas57
      there is an opinion that the journalists licked the bike about 28 from her.

      There is an opinion that: where a horse with a hoof, there is cancer with a claw!
    2. Black Colonel
      Black Colonel 15 December 2016 14: 14
      +2
      Stas57
      Well, then you have to hand the cards - prove that these are the machinations of Soviet cheers-journalists!
      1. Stas57
        Stas57 15 December 2016 14: 29
        +1
        what exactly, sappers or 28?
        sappers reality, very tough but at the same time it was possible to remove about them, and 28 as you know ...
  4. nnz226
    nnz226 15 December 2016 13: 11
    +4
    ETERNAL GLORY !!! AND ETERNAL MEMORY ....
  5. stprapor2009
    stprapor2009 15 December 2016 13: 47
    +4
    Thank you for the article. My daughter watched a foreign cartoon about pigeon mail, and so at the end, insolently, they give the numbers of dead animals during the Second World War. I would like them to count how many Soviet people died taking on the blow of fascist Europe. And also how they died. For they have no one but the "superheroes" imbits. And we have to educate the young generation, there are plenty of examples.
  6. tolancop
    tolancop 15 December 2016 15: 10
    +2
    I always liked this monument. And also the fact that the names of the soldiers who stood in the way of the enemy were returned from non-existence.

    But there is an inaccuracy in the material - on the kilometer post of Volokolamskoe highway at the entrance to Volokolamsk ("Explosion" not far away) there is a figure of 118 (One hundred and eighteen), not 144. In any case, in 1985 it was so.
  7. BAI
    BAI 15 December 2016 15: 34
    +2
    The Americans, even where there was nothing, invent feats for themselves and make a powerful propaganda campaign on this, especially Hollywood, is trying. We forget the true facts.
  8. Fast_mutant
    Fast_mutant 15 December 2016 17: 47
    +3
    For the first time I hear about them! Thank! This must not be forgotten. Sons (23 years and 13 years) will definitely show the article!
  9. Alexander Greene
    Alexander Greene 15 December 2016 18: 42
    +1
    Thanks to the authors, another white page in the history of the Great Patriotic War has become less. And how many unknown heroes remained like that ...
    Unfortunately, the post-war generations slammed what they gave their lives for ...
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 15 December 2016 19: 08
      +5
      Quote: Alexander Green
      Thanks to the authors, another white page in the history of the Great Patriotic War has become less. And how many unknown heroes remained like that ...
      Unfortunately, the post-war generations slammed what they gave their lives for ...

      Exactly. My grandmother told me so over a glass of tea back in the 90s, "Guys, you can't even imagine how well you live now." And the grandfather-tanker, who had been in captivity with the Germans, was silent. Only his silence was more eloquent than any words. They defended our country, and we profiled it. Want Bavarian beer? Naivnyak .. Adik's precepts were: "There is no hygiene for the Slavs, only vodka and tobacco" Yeltsin successfully carried out these precepts.
      1. Caretaker
        Caretaker 15 December 2016 19: 34
        0
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        Unfortunately, the post-war generations slammed what they gave their lives for ...

        Do you think that the monument was erected last year?
        It’s just that you didn’t personally deal with military topics before. Now you are interested, honor and praise to you.

        There was a break, approximately 1998 - 2004. , then came the rebirth, slowly but uncontrollably.
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 15 December 2016 19: 58
          +3
          Quote: Caretaker
          It’s just that you didn’t personally deal with military topics before. Now interested in, honor and praise to you.

          Why do you think so? I was still interested in military issues as a snotty kid. Grandfather, tipsy, told me everything. And how they brought him to execution, and how he dragged a bag of bread from a burning German plane, and then they asked for Romanian bread from him. And I knew about Firstov.
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          for a glass of tea she said so in 90,

          Do you get the point?
          In the middle of the 90's I was bigger than the 20's. We were taught by teachers who remembered the occupation. About Firstov told us military instructor. And our classroom did not tolerate German. I don’t know what happened to her in the occupation, but with the sounds of the German language she was shaking. She did not even hide that she hates this language. The smartest person, by the way.
          Quote: Caretaker
          There was a break, about 1998 - 2004. , then came the rebirth.

          So I don’t need to tell tales here, I went to the demonstration with a portrait of Brezhnev. Not the first year married. laughing
  10. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 15 December 2016 18: 48
    +1
    I also did not know about all this. And I thought ----- why there was nothing at school. And I also asked the others the same thing. But everyone was interested in history more than the program, not formally related for show.
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 15 December 2016 19: 10
      +4
      Quote: Reptiloid
      I also did not know about all this. And I thought ----- why there was nothing at school. And I also asked the others the same thing. But everyone was interested in history more than the program, not formally related for show.

      Excuse me, in what years did you study at school?
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 15 December 2016 21: 09
        0
        I started to study at the end of the last century, I finished when the EGE was not yet. Now I understand that they taught, what a lot. I think there were a lot of gaps in humanitarian, general education subjects. Now I understand that it could be much worse. Teachers were normal but because of some intrigues they often left and there were omissions from them.
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 15 December 2016 21: 34
          +4
          Quote: Reptiloid
          Now I understand that they taught who it was. I think there were a lot of gaps in humanitarian and general education subjects. Now I understand that it could have been much worse. Teachers were normal, but because of some intrigues they often left and there were omissions from them.

          I will explain how I see this situevina. In ancient Rome, slaves were forbidden to study history and other humanities. And we rewrote history in the 90s. That is, it is completely different, not at all the same as we studied during the Soviet Union. In the 90s they even wanted to introduce sexology, in the NGO-centers "Social Initiative" they tried to discourage childbearing with might and main, like "why breed poverty?" I don’t want to advise you where the truth is and where the lie is, and I will not, sort it out yourself. I just want to wish you good luck. This is your life, choose for yourself which story you like. hi
        2. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 15 December 2016 21: 42
          +3
          Quote: Reptiloid
          The teachers were normal, but because of some intrigues they often left and there were omissions from them.

          Everything is simpler, the teachers' salaries were about 30 bucks, so many could not stand it. (My friend was a teacher).
          1. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid 15 December 2016 22: 32
            +1
            And I chose the direction. Gradually and moving in this direction. Why gradually? In order not to make a mistake, not to miss the important thing. And what information will happen ----- is unknown. I’m glad that this article was printed and I read it.
            Somehow I have to hurry up and read serious modern books.
            I wish you success in the implementation of your plans.
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 15 December 2016 23: 05
              +3
              Quote: Reptiloid
              I wish you success in the implementation of your plans.

              Thanks. I recommend Vladimir Pershavin. He writes very well about the war. "Tankman, penalty box, suicide bomber" is one of my favorites. There is a trilogy, you will find it yourself. hiHe writes according to the stories of war veterans.
              1. Reptiloid
                Reptiloid 16 December 2016 09: 32
                +1
                I looked at these books on the net and read the announcements. There are 49 books in total. I think that there is immediately what is in the store. Thank you.
  11. Caretaker
    Caretaker 15 December 2016 19: 25
    +2
    Thanks for the interesting article.
    Photos of the 2006 memorial. A small addition to the article.
    http://www.pomnite-nas.ru/mshow.php?s_OID=607
  12. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 15 December 2016 22: 12
    +2
    "military review" to Soviet soldiers
    Thank you for putting it from me.
  13. Paranoid50
    Paranoid50 16 December 2016 02: 44
    +3
    Thank you, Novels! How many more we learn little-known episodes of the Great War ... And how many feats that we are not destined to learn about, and heroes whose names no one will ever name. And not at all because they were forgotten, no! But because there were no other witnesses besides the participants themselves, and the enemy (if he remained intact) had no reason (with rare exceptions) to keep the memory of this ... Wow, in my school years (I graduated in 1990) I imagined myself a connoisseur of history, naively considering the "five" for the year as the yardstick. Of course, projecting to the present day, one can say only one thing, and quite sincerely: thanks to the Soviet School, the one that brought people out. But, as they say, "it was, I remember, but time goes by!" And today, the awareness of the fact that I really didn't know a damn thing is obvious! After all, almost every day, since I am actively interested, I manage to learn something new for myself from the heroic past of my country, including my native Hero City of Leningrad. Of course, I singled out the Defense of Leningrad as the main direction of my research, and I already have something to share. Moreover, I consider myself obliged to do this. I am sure that many members of the forum, including my dear fellow countrymen, will learn for themselves some new, hitherto unknown facts. I will not "load", everything will be short, but capacious. Only facts and photos with comments. Sincerely. P.S. To the novels once again - thanks!
  14. mikael
    mikael 16 December 2016 08: 15
    +2
    you should not pay attention to the squeals of a liberal bastard such as any emanuel and squinted brigade, you need to know the real story and not teach them from the books of camp informers and who bought all sorts of diplomas and candidates for brewers and falcons
  15. pogis
    pogis 19 December 2016 17: 27
    0
    Genius died in 41 at the monument in uniform! I would like clarification from the author!
  16. PHANTOM-AS
    PHANTOM-AS 23 December 2016 01: 27
    +1
    Stas57,
    Quote: Stas57
    or as a tractor they wanted to tamp the bones, because they didn’t fit into the symbolic coffin.

    Listen, you really think that you can raise and bury all the soldiers of the Red Army.
    I have great respect for search engines, it’s a very noble cause.
    My cousin told me how the lists of dead and missing b / c after the attack were compiled at the front, and then a counterattack, again killed, was only in the rear of the Germans. Then five days seven the front is standing, who buried the dead on the other side in the warm season? Of course the enemy.
    During the attack, one of the fighters was torn apart by a mine, someone was knocked off with a cleavage, wounded eyewitnesses, the platoon commander was killed, the castle was wounded, and the company was wounded.
    The wounded in the hospital, whom they dragged, the rest remained there.
    Who will compile the casualty data of the losses? How to do this? Especially in the turmoil after the battle, despite the fact that the enemy is trying to get the losses out of position again. There was an explosion, a couple of fighters remained in the first line of the trenches, covered with earth, who will dig them out?
    Therefore, in the conditions of continuous battles, the lists were compiled fairly approximately and served by subordination. I have two funerals for grandfathers, one is quite an approximate burial place, and now there is no such village, and the second died on April 19, 1945 near Berlin ..
    Therefore, they put up memorials at the places of mass graves and possibly according to the submitted lists of losses, but for objective reasons there might not be anyone in these graves.
    But if I come to the monument to the fallen soldiers with the name of my grandfather embossed on the monument, knowing that he is resting in another place, I will still lay flowers and this monument to my grandfather as well !!!
    Nobody can take away and change my memory of the fallen, my ancestors died in the name of the Great General Victory, like millions of Soviet people and I pay tribute to all fallen soldiers. My children are brought up in the same spirit, they know and remember everything
    Laying flowers at the monument to the fallen soldiers on the way to the cottage, the whole family pays tribute to the feat of ALL of the fallen, including my grandfathers. soldier
    I hope you got what I meant.

    And about the burials, I’m reminding you already from the present, just in case, or you suddenly forgot about railroad refrigerators with unidentified people in Rostov, about the Maykop brigade burned down in hellish fire, about those who died under the rubble of buildings ...... who will dig them out and where is our memory:
    1. Stas57
      Stas57 23 December 2016 10: 12
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      Listen, you really think that you can raise and bury all the soldiers of the Red Army.

      Yes, it’s real if you do not spend money on all nonsense.
      this could have been done in Soviet times, but they didn’t.

      Therefore, in the conditions of continuous battles, the lists were compiled fairly approximately and served by subordination.

      this is understandable, but search engines do not search by lists, but by battle locations

      But if I come to the monument to the fallen soldiers with the name of my grandfather embossed on the monument, knowing that he is resting in another place, I will still lay flowers and this monument to my grandfather as well !!!

      you must do this, and do the right thing.
      but you must also find out where and how they died, and you must make every effort so that he does not wallow through fields and ravines.
      They are worthy of lying as people, and not as abandoned and unnecessary to anyone from which they unsubscribed by the monument, because it is expensive and lazy to search.

      I hope you got what I meant.

      Yes, I understood of course, and I respect the position

      And about the graves, here I remind you

      and these same must not be forgotten.
      1. PHANTOM-AS
        PHANTOM-AS 23 December 2016 10: 17
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        Quote: Stas57
        this is understandable, but search engines do not search by lists, but by battle locations


        Everything is said here, but I’m still alive, I won’t forget it!
  17. Pattern
    Pattern 29 January 2017 14: 31
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    The portrait of Comrade Genichevsky is depicted in the form of the Red Army arr. 1943 year! He is listed as dead in November 1941. Can historians explain this?
  18. Damir
    Damir 20 March 2017 17: 24
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    Let me spit it out !!!!! BUT!!!!!! comrade Genius in the presented photo in uniform !!!!!!! they were introduced in 1943 as we all remember !!!!!! year of birth 1907 !!!!! that is, neither in World War I nor in Civil could participate in age !!!!!! an error in the preparation of the material .....
    Everlasting memory! No one is forgotten! Nothing is forgotten!
  19. bbss
    bbss 5 November 2017 17: 55
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    Photo by Genievsky P.P. The picture shows soldiers with epaulets. Either the photo was not his, or he was alive in 1943.