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Yury Boldyrev about Swiss-Qatari friends, Rosneft and Syrian Palmyra surrendered to the enemy

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Yury Boldyrev about Swiss-Qatari friends, Rosneft and Syrian Palmyra surrendered to the enemyWe had 90-e - dashing. Then the privatization was wrong, shameful, anti-people and treacherous. Now is another matter.


Impressive win

Now the “largest privatization deal in the oil and gas complex” - the sale of another 19,5 percent of Rosneft shares to foreign companies is a matter of national pride. This is supposedly a “breakthrough of the sanctions blockade”. Yes, plus almost saving the budget.

True, when was this privatization planned?

That's right - back in the 2010 year. That is, long before any sanctions blockade and problems with the budget.

Yes, it is curious: if there were no sanctions or problems with the budget, then what would the “patriots” in the service of the oligarchy justify the vital necessity of this next (I repeat, long-planned) refusal of the authorities of the part of the hen that carried the country golden eggs?

Brilliant foreign policy

It is believed that our domestic policy is lame, but foreign policy is a complete delight. Well, taking into account the actual participation of the country in hostilities, I try to criticize in this part of the government rarely and minimally, not to push it. But there are special situations.

More than half a century ago there was such a war - the Korean. It went on the territory of Korea, but in fact there were opposed by the United States, on the one hand, and the USSR and China, on the other. So was it possible to imagine that the United States would then take and even sell part of some of its strategic companies to the USSR or China?

Say absurdity - it does not happen?

With respect to self-respecting states, indeed, does not happen.

But compare: in Syria there is a war. Russia is absolutely officially on the side of the legitimate and legitimate government. And on the sides opposing: on some (sort of, “moderate” murderers) - practically the whole of the West, on others (ISIS *, etc.), even if informally (we were also informal in the Korean war), less, it seems, of the monarchy of the Persian Gulf, almost led by Qatar.

Moreover, it is with Qatar that we have a historically “special relationship”. Is it possible to cite as an example at least one more country that would allow itself in our most recent stories put our ambassador face in the asphalt?

And now: this very “dear friend” has now been honored with the high part of becoming a shareholder, sort of like our strategic company itself.

Truly an outstanding victory ...

Who outbid whom?

“Patriots” in the service, of course, instantly found an explanation: they say, we almost outbid the enemy. Like: "funding for militants from Qatar decreases."

And what else does our strategic need give them in order for this financing to stop altogether? This is the first.

Secondly, it seems to me, this is the case when we did not buy it, but rather, it is us - at least, a part of our “national wealth”.

Thirdly, how would the events on the Syrian front develop at all if it were not for this brilliant course of our authorities? Then the militants would have taken not only Palmyra, but again Aleppo, and even Damascus? So what?

But, attention: I am not talking about military actions and not about heroes who give their lives for our country, even if beyond its borders. I am completely about something else - about foreign policy (the one that we have is sheer delight): about selling a part of a strategic asset to obviously unfriendly hands, but with a pomp given to us as the greatest victory. About that very foreign policy, as a result of which not only the West, but even small Qatar (by the forces funded by them in Syria - as our state television channels told us about) have the opportunity, forgive, to wipe our country's legs.

Who cares who the owner?

And a little, excuse me, educational program - for understanding the essence of our current great victories on the privatization front.

The question is: is there any difference to whom our mining companies belong: to us or to foreigners?

The difference is obvious - it will answer everyone (although they will mean different things). Less obvious is the most significant: the difference depends on the conditions in which the country is located.

So, if a country did not voluntarily limit its own sovereignty in part, for example, tax and customs regulation, then, strictly speaking, the owner, no matter who it is, is easy to force, literally, to walk on the string and, ultimately, act strictly national interests. Up to the obligation to invest the bulk of profits in development in our own territory. And up to the right of the state to deprive the company of all licenses for the development of deposits in violation of the legal requirements imposed by the state. After all, the value is not Rosneft or Gazprom themselves, but the so-called “reserves on the balance sheet” are the rights to develop certain deposits. Give these rights from Rosneft, for example, again the same Baikalfinansgrupp, and now the last one is the greatest corporation, and Rosneft is a dummy.

If the country has limited its own sovereignty in terms of customs regulation, for example, by joining the WTO, then present the necessary requirements to the owner of the mining company and, if these requirements are not met, deprive the mining company of licenses and create conditions for the owner to benefit to act in our interests (he simply has no other way then), it becomes much more difficult.

What is national control for?

What requirements the state has the right to make, and which of these requirements are vital for us, the key ones? The main thing for us is a reversal of the entire natural resource complex for a guaranteed long-term (for decades) order to our domestic engineering industry.

In what way can this requirement be ensured in a country that has not limited its sovereignty?

For example, by introducing long-term - for decades ahead - prohibitive duties on the import of foreign equipment for oil and gas production, processing and transportation. In other words, the creation of a powerful long-term protection for the development of its engineering. With simultaneous significant tax and customs benefits to everyone who will create plants in our territory for the production of all this in our country.

But this path is closed to us by ratification of the WTO accession agreement in 2012.

Is there any other way?

There is. More precisely, was.

For example, in Norway, in the period of raising its engineering industry, a national company that was not subject to privatization was responsible for sending orders for engineering products.

It would seem that this path remained open for us? But the plans and the implementation, as we see in the recent example of Rosneft, the program of privatization of key oil and gas assets threatens us to block this possibility.

When the tail drives the dog

The head of Rosneft reported to the head of state about the results of the transaction for the sale of a stake in Rosneft - is nothing disturbing?

Well, then we will try to find a suitable analogy.

For example: you (the owner) are selling the car, and here the car reports to you about the results of the transaction at the buyer's choice, but that also underpays you the amount that you originally intended to help out. This situation will not jarring you? If your car turns out to be able to choose a buyer for itself, would you suspect that she chose him, guided not so much by your own, as by her own interests? In such a situation, will you trust the negotiations and the decision to the object of sale (whose interests may not coincide with yours), or would you prefer to entrust this to another person who represents, first of all, but preferably and exclusively your interests?

Lihie nineties and sophisticated two thousand eleventh

A detailed examination of the issue reveals that the head of Rosneft reported to the head of state ... not as the head of Rosneft. And as the head of ... Rosneftegaz, it seems, authorized by the government to manage the state-owned stake of Rosneft. If you look at the register of owners, it turns out that our state has almost no Rosneft shares - only some 0,01% are left. And where did the state shareholding of Rosneft go? And it turns out that it belongs to Rosneftegaz (100% of the shares of which, in turn, is in state ownership).

We'll have to go back to the “dashing 90” and recall one important story described as early as 2003 in my book “About barrels of honey and fly in the ointment.” There is a report of the Accounts Chamber of the Russian Federation (directly behind my signature) on the results of the analysis of the agreement on transferring the state-owned stake in Gazprom to trust management. To whom? Gazprom itself. Yes, and with the payment to Gazprom for the "great work" of managing the state-owned stake in Gazprom, a lot of money. Is this clear? This is about as if, for example, the audit commission would transfer its powers to the controlled, and even pay him money for it - as for the great work that he controls himself. It is clear that our report contained an urgent proposal to categorically stop this practice.

It would seem that the very possibility of this is absurd?

Of course. But typical for "dashing 90-x."

But what has changed now?

Now the state-owned stake of Rosneft does not even control, but on behalf of the state, Rosneftegaz, which is headed by the same head of Rosneft, owns. It is necessary to understand: the first half day is led by Rosneft, the second half day is strictly and uncompromisingly controlling its own work. On our behalf.

Not absurd?

Why is the budget so poor?

But why? Why so hard? Why does not the Rosneft state-owned stake not directly managed by the Government (as prescribed by the Constitution) and its subdivision — the committee or fund for property management? It would seem that they were created for this purpose in due time, for which they were needed?

The answer is obvious. If the state-owned stake in Rosneft is managed by the government (as is required by the Constitution) or its core division, what happens to the company's profit (the state-owned share)? It automatically goes into the budget - all 100%. Want to invest in something? Please, but, firstly, as part of a public budget discussion procedure. Secondly, exclusively jointly and in proportion with other co-owners. Or with the redistribution of ownership shares, taking into account the additional investments made.

And even if not management, but the state shareholding of Rosneft itself was handed over to the intermediary represented by Rosneftegaz? That's when Rosneftegaz, as a business entity, decides what to send the profit from the state-owned stake in Rosneft. Moreover, unlike Rosneft, this Rosneftegaz is not a public company, its shares belong only to the state, are not listed on the market, and therefore, in our conditions, its commercial activity can be covered by the deepest veil of “trade secret”. Accordingly, the state budget is only what Rosneftegaz will show as its profit. Or even simpler: you can simply transfer only a percentage of 50, or even 25, from the profit attributable to the state-owned stake in Rosneft. In general, the scope for "creativity" ...

Приговор

So what's the difference with dashing 90?

It may be only in the fact that now there is no truly independent Accounts Chamber (as well as a generally independent parliament) and, accordingly, to raise publicly and officially the question of an obvious conflict of interests and the inadmissibility of such "management" on behalf of the state by state property, as well as the barrier to such a privatization of a strategic asset in the hands of the Swiss-Qatari "friends", no one.

And how, with such a cunning and hypocritical system of government (yes, it seems, and goal-setting), which, being so organized, in principle can not work in the interests of the country, we are going to compete with the outside world?

* “Islamic State” (ISIS, IG) by the decision of the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation from December 29 of 2014 was recognized as a terrorist organization, its activity in Russia is prohibited.
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  1. alekc73
    alekc73 16 December 2016 15: 18
    +13
    fun. from the series: There is no money but you hold on. Actually, there is money in the country, but not 99% of the population is honored
    1. Finches
      Finches 16 December 2016 15: 49
      +13
      Yuri Boldarev breaks the veil .... laughing

      I don’t even want to comment on this dregs!
      1. PHANTOM-AS
        PHANTOM-AS 16 December 2016 18: 18
        +41
        Well done Boldyrev not in the eyebrow, but in the eye!
        Under the false patriotic slogans, the looting of the national heritage continues and the 90s in this sense have not gone anywhere, and the work of the ebna Gaidar continues and flourishes, only in a veiled form and under bravura marches.
        I recall how, at the beginning of the XNUMXs, RAO UES, the world's largest energy system, was privatized. As Chubatz said that the privatization of RAO is the greatest benefit for the population and when there will be many owners, such as competition and electricity prices will fall!
        About 10 years have passed and what we see: electricity prices rose multiple! which, in fact, makes the products of our industry uncompetitive. Who could have come up with privatizing the energy system in a country with such a harsh climate? Only an enemy, a cunning and treacherous enemy, could do this! And all this was done under the then president of the GDP. But then at least there was an imitation of the discussion of privatization.
        What do we see now? Everything was decided behind the scenes, in the silence of high offices (as you know, money loves silence), and privatization was presented to the population as the greatest reminder. Here, in fact, all the differences from the 90s. Murraying gentlemen, simply urring.
        1. 34 region
          34 region 16 December 2016 19: 45
          +12
          18.18. Phantom Ace! And why would the price of electricity fall? One company sells another, that third and so on. Each company has added value. Only business owners are in the black. Production and transportation are stable. The appearance of competition is very ghostly, and the profit is stable. Successful private business! wassat Only the most hardworking and enterprising live well! And alcoholics and parasites are hired by them! wassat fool That’s the whole slogan of privatization. With our privatization, the interests of the country can be forgotten. Selling state property is not the country's interests and not making money for the budget. Especially during crises, everything is sold at a low price. And in whose interests is the sale then? Fill the budget? And when we sell everything, where will we take the money?
          1. PHANTOM-AS
            PHANTOM-AS 16 December 2016 20: 56
            +20
            Quote: Region 34
            And why would the price of electricity fall?

            Buddy hi drinks , you better explain it to the "cosmonaut" and other zaputintsy, but I knew all this as soon as they started talking about that privatization.
            Quote: Region 34
            Selling state property is not the country's interests and not making money for the budget.

            The main task of those in power is the privatization of income and the nationalization of expenses
            Quote: Region 34
            And when we sell everything, where will we take the money?

            Then the leadership will go to families and to money, where it is warm and satisfying sad
        2. SPACE
          SPACE 16 December 2016 23: 07
          +2
          Quote: PHANTOM-AS
          About 10 years have passed and what we see: electricity prices have increased multiple!

          And you compare the cost of electricity in different countries of the world, the cost of fuel, compare the population density of the territory, the length of power lines and losses during transportation ...
          I can tell you a couple of sad stories from 90 about the privatization of one plant; Chubais wasn’t close. As this very righteous communist people managed the factory, divided the positions, how the cooks became directors and dug from each other and what it all led to, people stopped buying garbage, there were no orders, production collapsed, there was no money, they began to sell equipment at a cheap price, to hand in change the territory and vodka vouchers for rent until the cunning ones bought it all and the ground was not sold.
          Quote: PHANTOM-AS
          Urrry gentlemen, just urrry.

          You are not a very smart person around, and your support group too. fool Sorry, but in no other way, comment on your crazy liesNo.
          1. PHANTOM-AS
            PHANTOM-AS 17 December 2016 00: 02
            +8
            Quote: SPACE
            You are not a very smart person around, and your support group too.

            Where do we have patricians laughing
            You are a beacon in the realm of darkness and ignorance.
            You are the smartest, the most courageous, the strongest, only very light.
            You’ll issue pearls, along with Cherchel,
            "In kindergarten, in a psychiatric hospital and in the army, democracy is contraindicated." Space.

            Space. And you compare the cost of electricity in different countries of the world, the cost of fuel, compare the population density of the territory, the length of power lines and losses during transportation ...

            Compared here already about a week and a half ago.
            Everywhere we are orphans, in all respects, and this is taking into account the status of the mining country.
            And you are all puffed up to pull an owl on the globe, as one of our Colleagues used to say.
            And to the question why in the richest country with all the resources in the world, the leadership patches holes in the budget, you will not answer.
            Yes, in general, and it is not necessary, people will understand without you. hi
            1. Serg65
              Serg65 17 December 2016 06: 53
              +5
              Quote: PHANTOM-AS
              Compared here already about a week and a half ago.
              Everywhere we are orphans, in all respects, and this is taking into account the status of the mining country.
              And you are all puffed up to pull an owl on the globe, as one of our Colleagues used to say.
              And to the question why in the richest country with all the resources in the world, the leadership patches holes in the budget, you will not answer.
              Yes, in general, and it is not necessary, people will understand without you.

              what No, all the same, not pro-communist! crying Just a bolobol from the series "All stupid except me" - a liberal in one word! But how he pretended to be !!! good
            2. SPACE
              SPACE 17 December 2016 08: 44
              +1
              Quote: PHANTOM-AS
              And to the question why in the richest country with all the resources in the world, the leadership patches holes in the budget, you will not answer.

              Yes, you foolish screamers need all this wealth, fill it with holes and gaps with ore and pour oil to get drunk forever and finally shut up. And they gave people just a quiet life and work.
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              2. PHANTOM-AS
                PHANTOM-AS 17 December 2016 10: 03
                +7
                Quote: SPACE
                Yes, you foolish screamers need all this wealth, fill it with all the holes and crevices and fill it with oil to get drunk forever and finally shut up.

                Hamish! You have unreasonable megalomania.
                And you haloperidol in the same cracks, maybe enlightenment will come, although it is doubtful.
                Quote: Serg65
                No, all the same, not pro-communist! Just a bolobol from the series "All stupid except me" - a liberal in one word! But how he pretended to be !!!

                Another one, like, a patriot.

                It is time for you, Zaputinists, to learn that in a class society, where antagonistic classes exist, the class struggle is objective, and it will inevitably lead to a new socialist revolution, because The bourgeoisie and the working people have never had and never will have common interests. And you show stupidity, because you do not know or because of stupidity you do not recognize the objective laws of dialectics and therefore do not understand the dialectics of the development of the history of human society.
                Perepost Green.
                Quote: SPACE
                And they gave people just a quiet life and work.

                Live it
            3. larand
              larand 17 December 2016 09: 30
              +3
              Quote: PHANTOM-AS
              ......
              Yes, in general, and it is not necessary, people will understand without you. hi


              Guys, stop you teaching one another the mind of the mind. Biomass, that is, we, can gurgle and boil arbitrarily, but nothing will change. In RyFy, the bourgeoisie defeated, they are now the masters of our lives. We had a chance to live differently, but we asked him ... Because the person turned out to be weak and everything is trying to slam something and profit from something, especially at someone else's expense. And still a man is lying and quirky. It will be necessary - it will sing the foundation of socialism, it will be necessary - it will stigmatize socialism with bad words. A new population was born - the Soviet people, but they destroyed it. And now it's too late to shake our fists, now we are the same as everyone and we are no different from the rest of the world. And RyFa will not bring anyone anywhere, we do not have it.
        3. Serg65
          Serg65 17 December 2016 06: 48
          +5
          Quote: PHANTOM-AS
          Well done Boldyrev not in the eyebrow, but in the eye!

          An interesting situation! The pro-communist PHANTOM-AS praises the former communist, who later turned into a liberal, an active destroyer of the USSR-Russia, trained at one of the representative offices of the Kribl Institute (Russian Institute for Democracy and Freedom)!
          Quote: PHANTOM-AS
          Here, in fact, all the differences from the 90's.

          Or is Phantom AS not a pro-communist comrade ???
      2. SPACE
        SPACE 16 December 2016 18: 43
        +6
        Quote: Finches
        Yuri Boldarev tears the veil ...

        A liberal of 90, who, among other things, let the country around the world, suddenly became a defender of the national treasure))) honest and fair))) suddenly remembered about the people. The article is really uninteresting nonsense, another thing is interesting, for 4-5 years regularly, various "liberal-analysts" from 90, kicked out of the trough, publish articles similar in a very thin arrangement, exposing the power of the article. The style of all such articles is monotonous, a hard-to-prove and hard-to-refute half-truth, half-lie interspersed, designed for a stupid man in the street, the main task is to outrage society with injustice and power. In general, typical paid propaganda, there is an intensive brain pumping of idiots, programmed for discontent. Liberals famously changed their shoes into patriots of the country and how subtly learned to use the people's anger in the dark.
        Z.Y. judging by some comments on the article, there are persistent symptoms of the transformation of brain activity.
        1. Rastas
          Rastas 16 December 2016 18: 58
          +24
          don't talk nonsense. Boldyrev is a true patriot, who can be respected for his position, for his honest activity as head of the KRU in 92-93, which he suffered for when he put Yeltsin’s documents on the plundering of the national heritage and facts of corruption in the GBV. Yeltsin, of course, did not arrest anyone, but removed Boldyrev from work. some wrong, unconventional liberal is obtained. And note, Boldyrev always criticized the policy of power, that under Yeltsin, that under Putin. If there were more such people in Russia, we would have a prosperous country.
          1. evge-malyshev
            evge-malyshev 16 December 2016 19: 46
            +3
            Quote: Rastas
            Boldyrev always criticized the policy of power, that under Yeltsin, that under Putin.

            This is called criticism. The most important thing to criticize: whom, for what, why. Never mind. Putin is to blame anyway.
            1. Rastas
              Rastas 16 December 2016 21: 07
              +8
              I will answer, Eugene, in the words of a classic: "It is a misfortune for a country where a slave and a flatterer are alone close to the throne ..."
          2. SPACE
            SPACE 16 December 2016 19: 59
            +2
            Quote: Rastas
            Boldyrev is a true patriot,

            A patriot, judging by his statements, there is nowhere more stupid and why are all the same naive people, children, you categorically cannot give power and democracy to the "patriots", you yourself cripple and cripple others, really Stalin is needed to keep the mentally ill in check.
            1. PHANTOM-AS
              PHANTOM-AS 16 December 2016 20: 57
              +10
              Quote: SPACE
              indeed, Stalin is needed to keep the mentally ill in check.

              Golden Your words Cosmonaut good
            2. Rastas
              Rastas 16 December 2016 21: 14
              +9
              Indeed, you are right. And why did the Communists want to build democracy. They had very good opinions about the people. But it turns out that our man has a nicer whip for his master, who he is ready to kiss. And if the master will also occasionally pinch the gingerbread, then in general he is ready to break anyone for his master. After all, the word master is nicer than the comrade, who is now mocking and considering as bad form. And Alexander Zinoviev was also right, who wrote that our people were not worthy of communism, therefore he lost medically, giving him the chance to build a new type of society.
              1. SPACE
                SPACE 16 December 2016 22: 39
                +1
                Quote: Rastas
                Indeed, you are right. And why did the Communists want to build democracy.

                "Democracy is the worst form of government" Churchill.
                "The people cannot rule, it is physically impossible" Bernad Shaw.
                "In kindergarten, in a psychiatric hospital and in the army, democracy is contraindicated." Space.
                )))
          3. Serg65
            Serg65 17 December 2016 07: 04
            +4
            Quote: Rastas
            Boldyrev is a true patriot who can be respected for his position.

            belay Wow! Please explain to me how you can work as deputy chairman of the Accounts Chamber and at the same time be a member of the Council of the Union of Oil and Gas Equipment Manufacturers? And in the Union, by the way, 179 of the largest companies in Russia! How can one simultaneously look for corrupt officials and lobby their interests?
        2. Sergey S.
          Sergey S. 16 December 2016 23: 00
          +8
          Quote: SPACE
          Quote: Finches
          Yuri Boldarev tears the veil ...
          A liberal of 90, who, among other things, let the country go around the world, suddenly became a defender of the national treasure))) honest and fair))) he suddenly remembered the people.

          Yu.Yu. Boldyrev is truly a liberal ... maybe one of a kind decent, intelligent liberal, not stealing and not lying.
          Once he was mistaken. He agreed to participate in party building - he stood at the base of the Ya-B-Loko party, from Yavlinsky Boldyrev-Lukin.
          But he left there earlier than we could figure out Yavlinsky.
          HE was "treated kindly" and appointed to the Accounts Chamber. But Boldyrev did not cover up mischief and theft.
          From there he was smoked for a long time ...
          His interviews have always been honest with people, and always strict with authorities.

          So do not indiscriminately.
          Not alone V.V. Putin is worried about Russia.
          1. Stas157
            Stas157 17 December 2016 10: 25
            +5
            Quote: Sergey S.
            Yu.Yu. Boldyrev is truly a liberal ...

            In which place? He left Yabloko in 1995, when he figured out what’s what! But already in 2012, he was Zyuganov's confidant in the presidential election. Well, how can a liberal be a confidant of the most important communist ??
            1. Sergey S.
              Sergey S. 17 December 2016 13: 15
              +3
              Quote: Stas157
              He left Yabloko in 1995, when he figured out what’s what! But already in 2012, he was Zyuganov's confidant in the presidential election. Well, how can a liberal be a confidant of the most important communist ??

              Elementary.
              In my understanding, Yu.Yu. Boldyrev liberal in a good way - the original sense of the XIX century.
              But G.A. Zyuganov is no longer a communist, but a social democrat - it’s not an ugly business, but it’s completely useless, because he fools his head more than he really defends the interests of the people.
              By the way, G.A. Zyuganov ideologically also the end of the XIX - beginning of the twentieth century.

              This is a classic theoretical case - read V.I. Ulyanov-Lenin "The Collapse of the Second International".

              I didn’t want to offend anyone.
              But there are very few real Communists, and they are not elected to the bourgeois State Duma because of the senselessness of this pastime - there is no justification for the prospects of a formation change in the Duma.
              The real legitimate path is only presidential elections and work in local Soviets.

              And if you read carefully, liberal Yu.Yu. Boldyrev without deputy is closer to the people than the communist G.A. Zyuganov clips of the first persons of the state.
      3. Stas157
        Stas157 17 December 2016 10: 12
        +6
        Quote: Finches
        Yuri Boldarev tears the covers .... laughing

        I don’t even want to comment on this dregs!

        Or maybe it can ?? Where did you see the dregs? At least something intelligible can you object, except your hostility?
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    3. tihiy
      tihiy 17 December 2016 07: 34
      +1
      Quote: alekc73
      fun. from the series: There is no money but you hold on. Actually, there is money in the country, but not 99% of the population is honored

      There are a lot of letters ...
      For several years Boldyrev was silent, which would issue an article?
      1. PHANTOM-AS
        PHANTOM-AS 17 December 2016 21: 13
        +4
        Quote: tihiy
        For several years Boldyrev was silent, which would issue an article?

        There are all his performances in YouTube, so check it out if it's interesting, but it's really interesting there.
        Perhaps enlightenment will come.
  2. Social Democrat
    Social Democrat 16 December 2016 15: 23
    +24
    If the sold state stake in Rosneft 19.5% is worth $ 11.5 billion, then the whole company is worth only $ 59 billion for the largest oil company in Russia. Rosneft's oil production is 254 million tons, which at current prices is $ 116 billion. 19.5% of the total annual production of $ 22.6 billion - this is the real value of the state stake. As a result, 19.5% of Rosneft was sold at a twofold understatement.
    1. Cube123
      Cube123 16 December 2016 15: 54
      +9
      Quote: Social Democrat
      As a result, 19.5% of Rosneft were sold in a double understatement.

      Why write nonsense? Shares cost exactly what you are willing to pay for them. For some reason, there was no crowd of people willing to purchase these shares for $ 20 billion. And the reasoning about the cost of annual production is a "spherical horse in a vacuum." Subtract taxes and operating costs from this income, and you find that the selling price is even inflated based on the actual profits remaining at the disposal of the company.
      1. private person
        private person 16 December 2016 16: 14
        +21
        This is not nonsense, but reality we just once again put pasta on our ears, sold the property of the people. Read the Constitution.
        1. Cube123
          Cube123 16 December 2016 16: 39
          +6
          Quote: private person
          This is not nonsense, but reality we just once again put pasta on our ears, sold the property of the people. Read the Constitution.

          That's bullshit! Gazprom and Rosneft pay taxes that make up half of the Russian state budget. For example http://pasmi.ru/archive/91244. This money is used to pay for state employees and the costs of the army. Now, the budget of Russia will receive ADDITIONAL Swiss and Qatari money in the form of additional taxes for a long time and they will work for the Russian economy. And they will be "tied" by the interests of Russia. And if necessary, they can be nationalized.

          And from the "public" property, which is a dead weight, you cannot pay the salaries of state employees.
          1. Finches
            Finches 16 December 2016 16: 49
            +4
            Andrey, do not pay attention - these are comrades from the circle "Russia - which we have lost!" laughing hi
            1. Cube123
              Cube123 16 December 2016 16: 57
              +4
              It is necessary to explain. Otherwise, these comrades will flood the brains of the younger generation with mud. It will be much harder to "wash" it later.
              soldier
              1. Finches
                Finches 16 December 2016 17: 06
                +1
                That's right, though you personally will not convince them of anything, but I wish you good luck! soldier
              2. Social Democrat
                Social Democrat 16 December 2016 17: 22
                +1
                I am the future rising generation.
                1. Finches
                  Finches 16 December 2016 17: 46
                  +1
                  Then Russia disappeared ..... laughing
              3. aba
                aba 20 December 2016 01: 47
                0
                Otherwise, these comrades will flood mud with brains

                Maybe so, but don’t tell me that the oligarchs care about you and me, about the country. It is enough to see who has the property, families, and it becomes clear which country they dream about and what they are sick of.
            2. PHANTOM-AS
              PHANTOM-AS 16 December 2016 17: 44
              +14
              Quote: Cube123
              Something was not observed of the crowd wanting to purchase these shares for $ 20 billion

              That is why it was necessary to sell a fifth of Rosneft half the price? Or did you bid and know everything?
              Now the Kuril Islands will be sold and you will scream, snatching and that this is the greatest good for the people.
              1. Finches
                Finches 16 December 2016 17: 51
                +3
                Victor, really - it was a normal deal in the modern capitalist world! After all, when the Americans do like that, nobody yells: "They sold their homeland, the wolves are shameful!" Today we are not in a position that would wobble - the state must first fulfill its social obligations ... It is always more convenient to criticize the President and the Government if the pension drops due to the time, than in the 90s on an empty stomach. .. laughing
                1. Rastas
                  Rastas 16 December 2016 19: 03
                  +14
                  how are you, liberals, already tired. We are ready to justify any action of the authorities. tomorrow the United States will be sold, and then you will shout "hurray-ah-ah".
                  1. Finches
                    Finches 16 December 2016 19: 29
                    +5
                    You probably visit the site very rarely, but there is an opportunity, before telling a similar fiction, to read the previous comments and make at least some kind of conclusion about the comrade .. However, your phrase generally from the category just blurt out something - we liberals do not support the Government but on the contrary criticize him in every possible way! Here the comrade Social Democrat is just a liberal, but apparently you don’t understand anything about it! hi
                    1. Rastas
                      Rastas 16 December 2016 21: 25
                      +9
                      As one of our wonderful classics wrote, Russia tends to confuse the concepts of Fatherland and Your Excellency. Only liberals who do not live in Russia or live in virtual space can say that liberals do not support the government in our country. Shuvalov is not a liberal? and Siluanov, Golikova, Nabiullina? and the head of this gang is Medvedev? and you yourself know the name of the most important liberal. And the fact that all sorts of mice, such as Gozman or Yashin criticize power, is simply from this power that is not separate, there are no ideological differences. And they are ready to rob the country the same way, just Gozman or Yashin is not enough.
                  2. SPACE
                    SPACE 16 December 2016 22: 18
                    +2
                    Quote: Rastas
                    Ready to justify any action by the authorities.

                    ))) Probably the same thing can be said about you, you are ready to criticize any action of the authorities right away, on the basis of the first information that comes in unison with the liberals and communists and even the Americans. And it’s already secondary who is who, it’s important who is right and what is the use ... The funniest thing is that now you are scolding this government for selling it so that you wouldn’t swell from hunger, and if you don’t sell it, you’ll swell tomorrow , you will be equally good at it, so what's the point of considering you. Yesterday you whined that Donbas had been leaked, and today you are whining that the prices of buckwheat have risen, but sanctions are not worth it. Clearly a violation of logic and cognitive dissonance. Make a fool of the folk good that lies at a depth of 3 km as your own, but at the same time you are with fellow tribesmen in edeotology, when you get it. Of course there is always a choice, but as a rule between the only good and the bad, there are no other options, and you will naturally come to it as well, unless of course not complete. So the violinist is not needed.
                2. PHANTOM-AS
                  PHANTOM-AS 16 December 2016 20: 43
                  +8
                  Greetings Eugene! hi
                  Quote: Finches
                  it was a normal deal in the modern capitalist world!

                  And since when did our national natural resources begin to belong to the capitalists?
                  Quote: Finches
                  After all, when the Americans do this, no one yells there: "They sold their homeland, the wolves are shameful!"

                  It is precisely because we are not in America that we are yelling "Sold homeland, shameful wolves!"
                  Quote: Finches
                  Today we are not in a position to wobble

                  Well, yes, in the position of the Degtyarev machine gun, you do not particularly rock wink
                  Quote: Finches
                  the state must first fulfill its social obligations ...

                  And since it does not know how to do nichrome, then you need to sell four threads, whether Rosneft, gasagas or 1/5 of the Kuril Islands? Japam, and better to the catarrh, will not wipe us out of us and we’ll cry out a normal transaction.
                  Let it be better to sell all this shushera of his kidneys.
                  Quote: Finches
                  .Criticizing the President and the Government is always more handy if the pension at the time drops on the bill than in the 90s on an empty stomach ..

                  Mdayayayayayaya ... They play out, do not go to my grandmother.
                  Eugene, can you imagine these people in 1941? The Germans 18 km from Moscow, the chairman of the GKO Putin, instead of Molotov, Medvedev, the head of the General Staff Shoigu, instead of Arseny Zverev, Naebulin, and Comrades Zhdanov, Voroshilov and Budyonny will replace Dvorkovich, Shuvalov and Rogozin, and instead of Podolsk Cadets, Panfilovites and the militia nats .ros. "guard", police, and others and others!
                  Well, what Eugene hold Moscow with Leningrad? Huh?
                  1. Finches
                    Finches 16 December 2016 21: 20
                    +1
                    Victor, so you need to change not the leadership, but the political system - this is a revolution! A change of leadership in the existing capitalist political and economic formation will not change anything except the surname! hi
                    1. PHANTOM-AS
                      PHANTOM-AS 16 December 2016 23: 06
                      +5
                      Quote: Finches
                      But what needs to be changed is not the leadership, but the political system - this is a revolution!

                      VOOOOT! Feel free to keep up with your comrades, we will strengthen our spirit in the struggle, we will pave our way to the kingdom of Liberty for ourselves !!!
                      Bravo, Eugene! +100500
                      Quote: Finches
                      A change of leadership in the existing capitalist political and economic formation will not change anything except a surname!

                      This is exactly how they robbed and will continue.
                      Only our political and economic system can hardly be fully called capitalistic - it is some kind of very cunning system, there are signs of feudalism and slavery in the era of developed world capitalism.
                      It is difficult to characterize this system, it is more likely colonial, signs on the face: prosecutors, the metropolis, plebs, the export of raw materials and capital to the metropolis ..
                  2. Rastas
                    Rastas 16 December 2016 21: 30
                    +7
                    No, of course, because the current cheers-patriots forget that their current idol, Shoigu, in October 93 gave out a thousand guns to the first deputy chairman of the Council of Ministers, Gaidar, who was preparing to “defend democracy” from the Constitution and, in addition, a machine for analyzing barricades. How patriotic it was.
                    1. PHANTOM-AS
                      PHANTOM-AS 16 December 2016 22: 56
                      +4
                      Quote: Rastas
                      that their current idol Shoigu in October 93 issued a thousand assault rifles

                      He ordered Perdyukov left a car with a flasher and a cottage.
          2. Social Democrat
            Social Democrat 16 December 2016 17: 21
            +6
            The budget deficit in Russia will amount to 2.5-3 trillion rubles. The cost of the sold block of shares is 0.718 trillion rubles. In the reserve fund from
            5 trillion rubles before the crisis, 1.1 trillion rubles remained and this is official data. 19.5% of Rosneft's annual oil production 254 million tons of oil - 50 million tons of oil, which is $ 23 billion at current oil prices. That is, having sold as much as 11.5% of Rosneft's oil produced per year for $ 19.5 billion, we will give $ 23 billion to the Qatari and Swiss every year. If you calculate that the cost of a barrel of oil is $ 30, then the net profit of 19.5% is $ 10 billion.
            1. Cube123
              Cube123 16 December 2016 17: 47
              +6
              Young man (based on the fact that you wrote that you are "the younger generation"), grandfather Lenin called "Study, Study and Study ..." And in your commentary you mix "God's gift" and "scrambled eggs".

              The owner of the shares has the right to receive income only in the amount of dividends paid by the company, and not at all in the amount of proceeds from the sale of oil (shareholders have no rights to any other income). These dividends are only a small part of the company's profit for the year. According to today's "tradition" on the Russian stock market, dividends are from 0 to 10 percent of the current market value of shares. Therefore, if you rely only on dividends, then they bring less than the interest on the deposit in the bank. Therefore, all your calculations are again nonsense wink In reality, this money can only be considered as a loan on which it is not even necessary to pay interest (at least this percentage is set by the management of the company, and not by the shareholders hi ).
            2. Vadim237
              Vadim237 16 December 2016 22: 49
              0
              The deputies adopted in the third - final - reading the law on the federal budget for 2017 and for the planning period of 2018 and 2019.

              What are its features? What has been achieved in the process of debate and adjustment of the initial plan? And how fully will the approved budget be able to fulfill the strategic tasks that experts previously determined for it? Try to answer these questions.

              Undoubtedly, the current budget has significant advantages. Firstly, he has a very decent airbag by current standards in terms of oil revenues. The budget has a very conservative oil price of $ 40 per barrel, while its current quotes and forecasts by the IMF and World Bank for 2017 are at least $ 50.

              Secondly, support from the budget of low-income groups of the population and weak regions should allow to survive any unpleasant surprises.

              Thirdly, the support of domestic farmers and food producers is also able to smooth out the most adverse events of the world and national markets.

              How, on the whole, can the budget adjustments be described?

              In our opinion, even in the first reading, the Finance Ministry's budget could be called anti-risk, which did not pretend to develop the national economy and did not designate its production drivers. In the final version, the budget has further increased its anti-risk focus and has already become super-conservative. It can be stated that the Russian government and the State Duma adopted an "emergency" budget. In my opinion, representatives of the legislative and executive authorities were reinsured. The future will show how justified this approach is.

              But here the question arises: is Russia doomed to struggle for survival with the adopted budget, or does it still have a chance for a technological breakthrough?

              Recent events give the country very good chances for positive development. For example, from the sale of 19,5 percent of Rosneft shares and other state assets, the country's treasury will receive 2016 trillion rubles at the end of 1,1, which is an unprecedented bonus for the 2017 budget.

              And if the agreements reached between Russia and the Organization of oil exporting countries will keep oil prices at least at the current level, then, according to our rough estimates, this will be equivalent to a 2017-7 percent increase in budget revenues in 9 compared to the planned indicators . And this is equivalent to the amount of 0,9-1,2 trillion rubles.

              Thus, the arrival in the budget of "unaccounted for" 2 trillion rubles opens up great opportunities in terms of investing in real production and achieving on this basis a breakthrough in the growth of the tax base. There should be one priority here - mechanical engineering and high-tech.

              However, the effective distribution of these funds is beyond the competence of the Ministry of Finance. This is the prerogative of the Ministry of Economic Development. And the arrival of the new Minister of Economic Development Maxim Oreshkin allows us to hope that the dialogue between the two departments will become more fruitful and will allow more expeditious and efficient transfer of excess funds to priority production. Thus, Russia again has every chance of success.

              And now about the tasks that experts had previously set for this budget.

              One of them is to ensure that the country's defense capability is adequate at the present stage. Solving it will not be easy. In the first version, it was supposed to reduce the article "National Defense" for the period 2016-2019 by 27,6 percent. In the final version, in 2017 alone, the planned reduction in defense and secret spending will be more than 20 percent. And although the structure of the budget is recognized by all as "militaristic", the further weakening of the military sector in it is a foregone conclusion.

              The solution of the second task of the budget - prevention of mass impoverishment of the population - is largely ensured in a "crisis format". So, if in the first reading the expenditures on social policy were supposed to increase by 9,6 percent over three years, then in the final reading only in 2017 they will increase by 28,2 percent compared to 2016.

              At the same time, accelerated indexation of pension allocations, benefits and social benefits is provided. And although the effect of such costs in terms of restraining poverty in the country is very insignificant, there is a roll towards the social orientation of the budget. It is clear that in the course of the budget debate, a serious revision of the government’s priorities in favor of social stability took place.

              The solution to the third problem - ensuring the acceptable performance of the national economy and all its links - took a new form in the budget, namely, the emphasis is not on the free development of industries, but on ensuring minimum production guarantees.

              For these purposes, there was a redistribution of funds to increase the credit support of the subjects of Russia from the federal budget from 100 billion to 200 billion rubles. This measure is designed to neutralize the possible impoverishment of the population of the regions.

              In the same direction, a decision was made to allocate additional funds to banks and the agro-industrial complex.

              Credit institutions will be able to count on additional subsidies in order to reimburse them for shortfall in income from loans issued to agricultural producers in the amount of 56,1 billion rubles for 2017-2019. And 10,6 billion rubles will be additionally allocated for direct support to farmers.

              These decisions indicate the priority of the problem of hunger and the desire of the government, first of all, to feed the people even in the most adverse circumstances. Thus, the solution of the third budget problem is closely interfaced with the solution of the second problem to the detriment of the development of the manufacturing sector of the national economy and its high-tech segments. In the first version of the document, such a dependence was not so clearly seen.

              In the area of ​​budget revenue policy, the debate in the State Duma did not lead to any fundamental revision of the original draft document.

              1. tihiy
                tihiy 17 December 2016 07: 53
                +2
                Quote: Vadim237
                the arrival of the new Minister of Economic Development Maxim Oreshkin gives hope

                Yeah, it does!
                Whatever Areshkin is, a grabber must be ...
                1. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 17 December 2016 09: 42
                  0
                  We have almost all the grandmothers allocated from the budget - they dig in the regions, simply do not spend and drive them to work, one minister will never steal as much as they steal around the country, everyone is not lazy.
          3. PHANTOM-AS
            PHANTOM-AS 16 December 2016 17: 39
            +8
            Quote: Cube123
            ADDITIONAL Swiss and Qatari money in the form of additional taxes and they will work for the Russian economy.

            Why do you think so? And if beneficiaries are 100 times off-shore?
            Quote: Cube123
            And from the "public" property, which is a dead weight, you cannot pay the salaries of state employees.

            Do you imagine the structure of the owners of Gasgas?
            1. Cube123
              Cube123 16 December 2016 18: 07
              +2
              Quote: PHANTOM-AS

              Do you imagine the structure of the owners of Gasgas?

              What for? Rosneft is not something that you can get in your pocket through customs. All cash and other flows can be monitored by specially trained government agencies. And they obey the laws of Russia. And if something goes wrong, you can always punish the culprit. In reality, the money received from the sale of shares is just a loan, according to which the rights of the creditor (shareholder) are very limited. And their rights to receive income are limited by the amount of dividends. But the resale of shares can bring real income, but this is also limited by Russian law.
          4. private person
            private person 16 December 2016 18: 13
            +13
            You yourself contradict yourself, than raising your national economy is better to sell off oil and gas reserves so that you have something to pay. And the money runs out, then what about the remaining package to sell? And we also have a lot of land that half of Siberia can be sold by the Chinese because it is money to the budget. At this rate, nothing will remain of the state.
            1. Cube123
              Cube123 16 December 2016 18: 27
              +3
              Quote: private person
              You yourself contradict yourself, than raising your national economy is better to sell off oil and gas reserves so that you have something to pay.

              You do not understand this. Nobody in this deal does not sell oil and gas. Here only one paper changes to another. The owner of the shares is very limited in his rights. It has the right not to subsoil, but only to dividends. Any rights to the property of the company appear only when the company goes bankrupt, and then at the very end of the list of applicants. And Rosneft will in any case remain on the territory of Russia and will pay taxes to the budget. It cannot be taken out of the country.
              1. private person
                private person 16 December 2016 18: 56
                +6
                Here you are again saying that the "uncle" will receive dividends from the property of the people, and the people will again pass by. And this is not just paper, these are shares, and where there is a guarantee that tomorrow they will not be resold, and there anything can happen.
                1. Cube123
                  Cube123 16 December 2016 19: 34
                  +2
                  And the people will receive taxes, which are many times more than dividends. As you do not understand a simple thing, when a company takes out a bank loan, it also pays interest. In this case, this is the same loan in which dividends are completely similar to the interest on the loan. Moreover, the amount of dividends in Russia is less than the percentage that Rosneft would pay if it simply took out a loan in foreign currency. There is a good comment below about how many people abandoned their purchase. minority stake. Such a package does not give any rights, except for receiving dividends. At the same time, there is a risk for the buyer to lose everything invested. In case of bankruptcy of the company no shareholder nothing not required to return.
                  1. private person
                    private person 16 December 2016 20: 02
                    +6
                    Taxes will be higher than dividends so you understand what you said. Or do you think in the boat sitting brainless Bedouins who ride camels? The bankruptcy of Rosneft is a storyteller, however.
                    1. Was mammoth
                      Was mammoth 16 December 2016 20: 14
                      +8
                      Quote: private person
                      Or do you think in the boat sitting brainless Bedouins who ride camels?

                      That not! Sheikhs from Qatar, as evo, patrons of Russia, which is especially noticeable in Syria ..
                      Here, in Pakistan we will build a gas pipeline for Qatar. The cost is only three times less than Nord Stream-2. I, as a pensioner, already look forward to, dreaming of the sale of Katarrosneft (so the company will probably be called) - oh, how my pension will grow !!! And, also the Japanese are unfastened from the latitude of the soul! Something yesterday Medvedev said about social obligations.
                      PS Everything is more prosaic - "Deputies voted for the paid entry of cars into the city"
                      https://auto.mail.ru/article/63290-deputaty_progo
                      losovali_za_platnyi_vezd_avtomobilei_v_goroda /? fr
                      ommail = 1 & fromnews = 1
                      Hooray! President! Hurray for the Government! Hurray for United Russia!
                      1. PHANTOM-AS
                        PHANTOM-AS 16 December 2016 21: 01
                        +5
                        Quote: There was a mammoth
                        Everything is more prosaic - "Deputies voted for paid entry of cars into cities"

                        And it's not evening yet, or else it will be ...
                    2. Cube123
                      Cube123 16 December 2016 20: 51
                      +2
                      Quote: private person
                      Taxes will be higher than dividends so you understand what you said. Or do you think in the boat sitting brainless Bedouins who ride camels? The bankruptcy of Rosneft is a storyteller, however.

                      I don’t even understand what surprised you. Naturally, taxes are many times higher than dividends. Taxes are paid on all company income, (including the dividends received by the Swiss company on this transaction wink ... I mean the dividends that the Swiss will pay on their shares) In the case of Rosneft, taking into account the mineral extraction tax, taxes are comparable to half of all income and even more. Dividends are paid from the company's profits, i.e. income minus expenses, minus taxes ... Naturally, this is several times less. By the way, income tax is paid on dividends, which will also go to the budget.

                      I can’t say anything about Qatar. Everything is complicated there. By the way, do you know that Islam prohibits the receipt of interest on deposits? How to live in Qatar belay ? Unclear. But I think that closing the possibility for Qatar to build a gas pipeline to the EU through Syria played a role in this deal.
                      1. twviewer
                        twviewer 17 December 2016 00: 05
                        +5
                        Quote: Cube123
                        I don’t even understand what surprised you.

                        You miss that taxes were paid without this transaction, but whether non-residents will pay now and how much is a big question. In addition, the owner of the shares owns the company's property, as well as the right to nominate its representatives to the board of directors, the right to free access to various reports, etc.
                  2. PHANTOM-AS
                    PHANTOM-AS 16 December 2016 21: 11
                    +7
                    Quote: Cube123
                    And the people will receive taxes, which are many times more than dividends.

                    Listen, here we are talking about 19 lard raccoons, you and Zyablintsev argue that it will be necessary to replenish social. obligations to fulfill.
                    And you all together look at the amount of capital exported over the past year, I’m sure this will be no less!
                    You can conclude this discussion!
                    1. Cube123
                      Cube123 16 December 2016 21: 26
                      +1
                      Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                      Quote: Cube123
                      And the people will receive taxes, which are many times more than dividends.

                      Listen, here we are talking about 19 lard raccoons, you and Zyablintsev argue that it will be necessary to replenish social. obligations to fulfill.
                      And you all together look at the amount of capital exported over the past year, I’m sure this will be no less!
                      You can conclude this discussion!

                      An hour ago, "Russia 24" announced the amount of exported capital for the 14-15th years - about $ 200 billion. The expected export for the 16-17th years is no more than $ 30 billion. Figures of the Head of the Central Bank.
                      1. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 16 December 2016 21: 44
                        +5
                        Quote: Cube123
                        The expected export for 16-17-e years is not more than $ 30 billion. Figures of the Head of the Central Bank.

                        What, Khodorkovsky, have already taken out their 50 watermelons?
                      2. PHANTOM-AS
                        PHANTOM-AS 16 December 2016 23: 19
                        +8
                        Quote: Cube123
                        back on "Russia 24" voiced the amount of capital exported for the 14-15th years - about $ 200 billion.

                        Well voooot !!! And here you rest for 19, well done, they say, cool managers.
                        Quote: Cube123
                        The expected export for 16-17-e years is not more than $ 30 billion. Figures of the Head of the Central Bank.

                        I DO NOT BELIEVE!!!
                        Those. in addition to raw materials, the export of capital, we also sell the natural resources of future generations.
                        And where will our children and grandchildren live? In a desert territory with holes in the ground from wells, with poisoned ponds, with stumps instead of forests.
                        Oil painting, Mlyn.
          5. tihiy
            tihiy 17 December 2016 07: 48
            +3
            Quote: Cube123
            Gazprom and Rosneft pay taxes that make up half of the state budget of Russia. For example, http://pasmi.ru/archive/91244. This money is used to pay for state employees and the costs of the army.

            And what salaries do Gazprom heads have and Rosneft will not tell?
            1. Fan-fan
              Fan-fan 17 December 2016 15: 26
              0
              We have all those who have awesome salaries at the trough, recently there was a fuss that even the postmaster received a huge bonus, and he assured everyone that it was legal. What for do we ordinary people have such laws? Yes, we will never be united with such bosses, what kind of unity can there be in a country where almost every official does not think about the people and the state, but only cares about himself. They even came up with a name - United Russia. What kind of unity? What is it about, with whom to unite, with thieves and bureaucrats? They are officials, ordinary people will never let us near their "cauldron", they have "golden parachutes", but they will never share anything with us.
        2. evge-malyshev
          evge-malyshev 16 December 2016 19: 52
          +1
          Quote: private person
          sold the property of the people. Read the Constitution.

          What property? For what I fought, I got it. So who has noodles on their ears?
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      3. twviewer
        twviewer 16 December 2016 17: 44
        +7
        Quote: Cube123
        the selling price is even too high based on the real profit remaining at the disposal of the company.

        10.5 billion for a 19.5% stake, i.e. all of Rosneft 53.8
        Effective managers are so guided that they will sell the latter soon, by the way TNK BP, how much did Rosneft cost there? (44.38bn + 12.84% of the shares) is gorgeous, but why wait further?
        The chairman (Pound) has already announced: "it doesn't matter who to sell to, if only for a good price"
        1. tihiy
          tihiy 17 December 2016 08: 08
          +2
          Quote: twviewer
          The chairman (Pound) has already announced: "it doesn't matter who to sell to, if only for a good price"

          That's it! these Pounds from the government will sell everything with giblets, including us, for the sake of your gesheft
      4. basmach
        basmach 16 December 2016 18: 45
        +7
        Yeah, but if some smart guy, like you, began to assert that this package costs only 1 dollar, and not a cent more would also be sold, the money is in the budget. Read more about economics. The share price is primarily the value of expectations, which has nothing to do with the real price of the company. Apple costs much more than Gazprom, but it won't be there tomorrow and it's okay, someone will replace it right there, but if Gazprom is not (with the cessation of gas supplies) it will not seem a little to anyone (and not only in heating). And I wonder what additional money this is from Switzerland and Qatar, except for the shares will go. In addition, the state is deprived of permanent income in the form of dividends (and in foreign currency) By the way, there is a good example - "Russian Helicopters" was privatized, the new owners killed it completely, had to nationalize it, the state had to pump up huge money to bring it back to life, now again 25% privatized and no matter what it took to restore more than received from 2 privatizations, but money in the budget. The same clever people, apparently
      5. Stas157
        Stas157 17 December 2016 10: 37
        +4
        Quote: Cube123
        Why write nonsense? Shares cost exactly as much as they are willing to pay for them. Something was not observed of the crowd wanting to purchase these shares for $ 20 billion.

        And where did you see the crowd of those owning these 10 billion dollars? I personally am willing to pay $ 20 billion. for shares of Rosneft! Can you lend? Not? So, in this case you don’t have to bear the nonsense!
        Quote: Cube123
        And the reasoning about the cost of annual production is "a spherical horse in a vacuum." Subtract taxes and operating costs from this income, and you find that the selling price is even inflated based on the real profit remaining at the disposal of the company.

        And you multiply the annual profit of Rosneft by at least 30 years, the company will receive profit for more than one year! How many will come out, you thought? And, here the Qataris and the Swiss thought for sure, that's why they grabbed "our national heritage"! And if you multiply by 100 years? It's scary to count how many of our children and grandchildren were robbed!
    2. Engineer
      Engineer 16 December 2016 16: 23
      +2
      Yes, you need to give the Nobel Prize in economics for a new method of calculating the value of shares based on the cost of annual production. And what, how much the company pumped up in a year - how much it costs. All is simple. Marx, with his Capital in a coffin, turned over laughing
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 17 December 2016 10: 40
        +3
        Quote: Engineer
        Yes, you need to give the Nobel Prize in economics for a new method of calculating the value of shares based on the cost of annual production. And what, how much the company pumped up in a year - how much it costs.

        Yes, even by such a cunning calculation it turns out that the Qatari people clearly did not cheapen! In my opinion it is very revealing! And if you add more (you noticed correctly!) Assets, liabilities, non-core assets, then in general the amount will increase, you’ll jump!
  3. boris-1230
    boris-1230 16 December 2016 15: 35
    +15
    Enemies of the people, sorry for Stalin no
    1. kepmor
      kepmor 17 December 2016 06: 54
      +3
      For that, Putin ... our eternal ....
  4. vlad_vlad
    vlad_vlad 16 December 2016 15: 42
    +12
    I don’t know who this Boldyrev is, but it’s very logical. you don’t get straight.
    I especially liked "the first half of the day - he is in charge of Rosneft, the second half of the day - he strictly and uncompromisingly controls his own work." I want that too :-)

    set +
    1. vanavatny
      vanavatny 16 December 2016 15: 49
      +4
      he is a professional demagogue who worked hard in power in the 90s and biography is not a secret for those who have access to the Internet
      1. vlad_vlad
        vlad_vlad 16 December 2016 16: 35
        +10
        got it
        Does his past somehow influence the facts he describes? or is something changing in your assessment of his findings?
        1. Homo
          Homo 16 December 2016 16: 44
          +2
          Quote: vlad_vlad
          Does his past somehow influence the facts he describes? or is something changing in your assessment of his findings?

          Of course it does! Who pays, then orders the music! And the State Department pays, therefore everything is bad with us. And the facts are rigged under this definition.
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          2. trantor
            trantor 16 December 2016 18: 23
            +11
            Quote: Homo
            And the State Department pays, therefore everything is bad with us. And the facts are rigged under this definition.

            Are we all right?
            Take your head out of the sand and look around. Soon we will not be able to sew the panties ourselves, because we don't even produce needles - we buy everything. I do not know about other places, but I live in a city that can rightfully be renamed from Barnaul to the city of Shopping Centers. All production is at a standstill, and the areas for HyperMegaGrossSuperPuperMarkets have been commissioned. And this is not counting those that have been built - I have only 5 of them "within walking distance" of 2 or more floors. And this is not the city center.
            I can’t understand anything - what is it all about? But the impression is that we, like the states, are inflating the "bubble", only in a smaller size.
            And you are the State Department, the State Department ... Yes, already at the level of sensations it is clear that far from everything is okay in our kingdom, as we are told about this in SMRAD.
          3. sds87
            sds87 16 December 2016 18: 53
            +7
            The State Department sits with us in the highest echelons of power after the collapse of the USSR and the creation of the colonial Russian Federation. The constitution is written by the State Department, the Bank of Russia is not subordinate to our state. Every year we give our best in US government bonds. The whole country is divided into zones of pumping out resources on which oligarch princes sit. The oligarchs hold their capital in foreign banks, which means they are dependent on foreign pressure. Yes, and what are the oligarchs? Almost all government and ministers - all have accounts abroad. They have real estate there, they run their own business there, raise their children.
            And the State Department - he yes - is to blame for everything by definition ...
      2. Rastas
        Rastas 16 December 2016 19: 13
        +15
        VanyaVatnik, and Primakov or Gerashchenko, who worked in power in the 90s, are also liberals worthy of contempt? And such current "patriots" as Lavrov, Shoigu and even Putin were also in power. Do not remind you of their positions in the "damned" 90s. They lived very happily and faithfully served the Yeltsin regime, and did not run around the opposition, now they are laying flowers on their idol. Open your eyes and face the truth. And the biography of Boldyrev is worthy of respect. Yeltsin fired him from the KRU in March 93 just for the facts of corruption, theft, embezzlement in the highest echelons of power that he revealed, Yeltsin decided not to give the case. Any interested person can read about it. After that, he was never in power, for there was nothing honest to do there. And doesn't Boldyrev deserve respect after this?
        1. vanavatny
          vanavatny 16 December 2016 19: 44
          +1
          Why should I respect him? for endless chatter? for the fact that he did not manage to stand up in all parties? for his stories about the heroic struggle against embezzlers? yes there are crowds around, and the comrades you have indicated are people doing well and whether it’s good or bad, but they do it, and don’t grind their tongues in the pose of eternal critics, driven away from the trough and hysterical, being incapable of anything but ranting about the imperfection of the world .. What is the standings of your idol and patriot, besides the talking room and eternal attempts to return to power with one or the other?
          1. vlad_vlad
            vlad_vlad 16 December 2016 20: 09
            +7
            Vanyavatny Today, 19:44 ↑
            ... What is the standings of your idol and patriot, besides the talking shop and eternal attempts to return to power with one or the other?


            smiled.
            This phrase refers very well to the current ministers-capitalists-presidents-presidents. Here you are, Vanya, shoot yourself in the leg ...
            1. vanavatny
              vanavatny 16 December 2016 20: 30
              +1
              if you are talking about the economic bloc of the Government of the Russian Federation glorious for its insanity, then having no right to calls to hang them on birches, I can only say that this picture would make me extremely happy. And in the purulent swamp of our government there are several ministers and ministries that are superior not only to the rest speaking-guzzling bodies, but foreign counterparts, Frau Ursula and her ministry are unlikely to declare Aryan superiority over our stern Tuvinian, and Steinmaer with his floundering in the wake of the State Department’s policy is also not impressive, there is cautious optimism about the new young lady in the education system and so on. And how many people don’t pour mud into the guarantor, but he’s a man of business, would like to merge Russia by surrendering the Caucasus - then it would roll
            2. tihiy
              tihiy 17 December 2016 08: 14
              +1
              Quote: vlad_vlad
              This phrase refers very well to the current ministers-capitalists-presidents-presidents. Here you are, Vanya, shoot yourself in the leg ...

              ... like Ragozin or something?
      3. Karabin
        Karabin 16 December 2016 20: 37
        +10
        Quote: vanavate
        he is a professional demagogue who worked hard in power in 90

        Yes, not weak .. The actual sabotage of Boldyrev and Glazyev, who were then members of the Conciliation Commission, of applications for PSA by weighing them up with procedural norms practically emasculated the colonial law on PSA in 1995-1997. And so they would now have a couple of hundred Sakhaliners for Sakhalin 1 and Sakhalin 2. True, the victory "over the plundering of Russia" for some reason was attributed to Putin in the early 2000s .. despite the fact that in the 90s the "most influential" was running errands for the double-headed democrat Sobchak. By the way, the PSA law has not been canceled so far.
        Quote: vanavate
        and biography is not a secret for those who have access to the Internet

        Yes . Only need to read completely.
        1. vanavatny
          vanavatny 16 December 2016 20: 59
          +1
          read it: then he has comrades-in-arms, wherever thieves and traitors are (after the Communist Party, apple and cf. like Zyuganov now), and he cannot proudly leave the ranks with them, the sworn state did not give him specialists - engineers for the implementation of bright ideas, what remains to the patriot? talking, talking and talking about evil forces, criticizing mercilessly and building castles in the air: what kind of demand is the theorist and theorist ... and the worthless Putin VV is poorly poor, but he does business and does not whine about what are all bad around and unprofessional, resentful and leaving to write insulting books about evil uncles, and not hanging out between political players, unable to become one, but he’s trying, and what’s in practice? became the governor at least once? how bad boys didn’t give the commission? again theorist evil reality threw? but Putin, without whining, took and became the king of a huge country, did not let it fall apart and increased it, and Boldyrev is proud of how he was prevented from robbing his homeland ... damn you, our Czechs were again beaten
          1. vanavatny
            vanavatny 16 December 2016 21: 18
            0
            ps and about srp: is it something you are too white, and it doesn’t seem that he showed incompetence there and showed himself a demagogue? He built up nonsense and, as always, started scolding Lukoil in a compartment with the American bargaining chamber, then dressed in white and left to scold the parasites ... he is flesh from the flesh of liberoids in our power, only he did not have enough skills to take it
          2. Karabin
            Karabin 16 December 2016 21: 52
            +8
            Quote: vanavate
            but Putin took without whining and became the king of a huge country

            Oh well. Straight took and become? A flock of comrades and EBN has nothing to do with it .. You still tell me about the elections.
            Quote: vanavate
            Putin V. In the worst, but poor thing,

            Yes. it can be stated with confidence that the Russian Federation is a raw-material power with a degrading science and education, a semi-feudal political system, in a permanent systemic crisis, capable of maintaining defense parity for the time being. These are subtotals at the moment. Affairs of GDP and Co.
            Quote: vanavate
            and also increased

            And how much did it decrease? And how many "leased" and will hand over for a period during which the padishah himself will die and the donkeys who believe in him?
            [
            Quote: vanavate
            what remains to the patriot? speak, speak and speak

            Well, not everyone should be silent or approve of shouting. And what Boldyrev did with authority, I cited above.
            . became the governor at least once?

            I beg of you! With such views as Boldyrev’s, not only the governor, the mayor of Mukhosk will not be allowed to become. We do not have unsystematic power. Even Groysman and Belykh in the system .. And Bulk. They have differences with Edros and Putin in form, but not in essence ..
            1. vanavatny
              vanavatny 16 December 2016 22: 01
              +1
              what are the views? a little lower I gave some examples of his works of the righteous - this is important, and not theories from parallel reality, where it would be possible if: let's talk about Boldyrev’s practice, and not about how everyone interferes with him, everyone always interferes: Nikolai 2 and Lenin , Stalin and Gorbachev, the only question is can you do, or go gunde?
              1. Karabin
                Karabin 16 December 2016 22: 41
                +7
                Quote: vanavate
                : let's talk about Boldyrev practice,

                Will you deny the role of Boldyrev and Glazyev in the actual suspension of the PSA in the 90s? This is how it is verified by documents. More, Boldyrev did not happen to be a practitioner in power. Well, the person didn’t change his color into a United Russia party, he didn’t join the Kremlin projects like “Motherland”, and without this you yourself will not become a “practitioner” and you won’t win the “elections”. There are two ways left for the politician: to disappear or to convey his line through the media, that is, according to your gun. And what exactly does not suit Boldyrev in the "gundezh"? Rejection of the WTO, protectionism in the economy, rejection of the Central Bank's course and, the sale of state property? Or the fact that he treats the authorities and Putin without pity? Since Putin and Co. are for the WTO, the globalization of the economy, are satisfied with the Central Bank and are selling off state property, it would be illogical to shout hurray for the GDP and disapprove of its policies.
                1. vanavatny
                  vanavatny 16 December 2016 23: 28
                  0
                  I won’t deny anything, for you it’s already a matter of faith, we made an idol from another theoretician- enjoy, it’s not interesting what I did in MDG, in epi, than I did not need small towns to help. positively evaluate his perestroika activity - let him seriously. Do you seriously consider his actions in the Accounts Chamber effective? Recognize his absolute inability to act in real conditions as a kind of principled position not to cooperate with his frustrating reality - even so. I adore bright, harsh and critics of the regime, in reality, they failed absolutely everything they did, except their own theoretical delights - your right to do something with a beautiful fairy tale, even if the author’s attempts to put it into practice harsh reality breaks down? And there is a suspicion: the Communist Party not the last platform where he speaks - in interesting places and with curious characters we will see him again: a very familiar manner with loud and absolutely fair criticism of corruption, the right words about protectionism, etc. Good luck to all of us
          3. PHANTOM-AS
            PHANTOM-AS 16 December 2016 23: 38
            +5
            Quote: vanavate
            here Putin without whining took and became the king of a huge country, did not let it fall apart and also increased

            Yeah, and when a certain Swiss mister Burkhgalter came to him, the "Russian Spring" immediately turned into a slushy autumn, Novorossia was forgotten and they drove Minsk 1 ... 2 ... 3 ... 10, and there they throw mines in Donbass, but we are losing a new "toy" -Syria, oh yes there is oil.
            1. vanavatny
              vanavatny 17 December 2016 00: 07
              0
              for reasons of spring not to me and not to Putin, refer to those who use this term as a teenager with libido, frightening with feverishness and inadequacy, if for some hell my opinion is interesting, then he spoke out on December 6, if the actions of the commander in chief are interesting include the head, and not emotions based on photos of murdered children and women, the president is a practitioner and he is aware of the connection between events and actions in the Donbass and Syria and he has the right to determine the order of actions, what about Boldyrev?
  5. Iskander Sh
    Iskander Sh 16 December 2016 16: 01
    +3
    Compare Korea with Syria Nonsense! Korea was a battle of two world ideologies for the minds and hearts of mankind. In Syria, each of the participating parties defends its narrow interests, the exclusion of ISIS which has an ideological line.

    Russia in Syria is essentially defending Crimea and its place in the world. The West for Russia's "willful" actions in Ukraine, punished Russia with isolation. Russia broke through isolation by seizing the initiative in Syria, thereby taking a place at the negotiating table. It's the same with Rosneft, the West has announced a blockade on investments in the oil industry, this deal makes a hole in this blockade.
  6. aleks700
    aleks700 16 December 2016 16: 03
    +5
    Patriots ”in the service, of course, instantly found an explanation: they say that we almost outbid the enemy. Like: "funding for militants from Qatar is declining."
    Logically, we ourselves are starting to finance militants. And further. Do bowels belong to the people? Qatari?
  7. Peter Romane
    Peter Romane 16 December 2016 16: 28
    +4
    Some strange analogies, in my opinion, have nothing to do with reality. In response, I can give another analogy:
    "There are two opposing sides with equal opportunities. And so one side sold, to one of the members of the other side, part of its ownership. Take, own, develop and defend it. As a result, the selling side received both profit and a new defender of its interests in the camp of the enemy. . "
    What is not an example?
    And then, the "Korean war", "selling themselves cars" - nonsense.
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 16 December 2016 17: 30
      +12
      Quote: Peter Romane
      and a new defender of her interests in the camp of the enemy. "

      Is Qatar going to protect us?
      Quote: Peter Romane
      Take, possess, develop

      Can’t we ourselves?
      Quote: Peter Romane
      What is not an example?

      And even worse than Boldyrev's. By the way, Peter, you position yourself with Peter the 1st, and then your grandchildren will ask you: "Grandfather, how did it happen that our bowels belong to foreigners?" And what will you answer them? Here, granddaughters, was there such a situation? So, what, a Dutchman? By the way, the profits will go to the Qatari people, but the taxes will not make the difference. And we will quickly eat up the profit that we get from the sale, and again we will want to eat. What else can you sell there, eh?
      1. Peter Romane
        Peter Romane 17 December 2016 01: 28
        0
        When an enterprise takes a loan from a bank, the management knows that it is necessary to repay with high interest and this transaction is unprofitable.
        But! Money is needed "here and now" and this allows the company to develop and overtake competitors. And the profit from this covers all costs.
        When my grandchildren ask me about Rosneft’s assets, I’ll tell them that for the money raised from the sale of the company's shares, which were used to develop promising enterprises, we now receive huge profits, which gave us the opportunity to develop at a faster pace and buy the most profitable enterprises around the world .
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 17 December 2016 02: 06
          +6
          Quote: Peter Romane
          But! Money is needed "here and now" and this allows the company to develop and overtake competitors.

          The government, according to their own statements (in particular, the new minister for "development economy"), does not intend to invest anywhere, but prefers to sit on the bottom straight, invest in American papers, and wait for investors from private capital. I believe that this proceeds will be spent on:
          1. lump sum payment to pensioners.
          2. Payment to Yukos shareholders, that is, Hodor and K. 50 of billions of dollars.
          Quote: Peter Romane
          which were aimed at developing promising enterprises,

          We will wait and see where these finances will be directed. I propose to discuss this in a half year, but for now I see that we are slipping into third-order positions.
          1. Peter Romane
            Peter Romane 17 December 2016 13: 53
            0
            Six months later, I will not have grandchildren yet. And in order not to slide, you need to make an effort to lift. Bill Gates and others did not blame Reagan at the time that the White House does not enrich them. If there is a desire, there must be an action. There are many examples of how to climb up from scratch. We do not live in the USSR to wait with our mouths open when the Kremlin throws us a worm.
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 17 December 2016 14: 35
              +2
              Quote: Peter Romane
              Six months later, I will not have grandchildren yet

              I mean, let’s see where this money will be invested.
              Quote: Peter Romane
              Bill Gates and others didn’t blame Reagan at the time,

              The foundations for US development under Reagan were laid by Ford, who considered inflation the main evil of the economy. I have already proven somewhere that from scratch you can earn only with breakthrough technologies, or with initial capital, or with long and hard work, like Gillette.
              Quote: Peter Romane
              We do not live in the USSR to wait with our mouths open when the Kremlin throws us a worm.

              The Kremlin doesn’t do a damn thing to fight inflation. Freeze energy prices for years on 10, and that’s it. And then the energy industry nods to inflation, raising tariffs, and manufacturers raise tariffs, nodding to the energy industry. Here you have a vicious circle. And banks, also nodding at inflation, are being bullied by such interest that it makes no sense to take long-term loans.
              And the fight against corruption in our country is zilch in vegetable oil.
              1. Peter Romane
                Peter Romane 17 December 2016 17: 42
                0
                Did you write this in good memory? Mindful of his labor service, the year that way in '92, at the beginning of the year salary was around 100 rubles. by the end of the year 150! This is inflation! And prices rose wherever, as quickly.
                Where did today's bankers, power engineers, industrialists and all other freebies come from? All of those from the 90s.
                Try them out of the box.
                Khodorkovsky alone is worth something. Each of them is able to arrange such that a toothache will be a joy if all of them are "pressed" at once.

                However, it is worth noting that any car service begins with a garage, any hypermarket has gone the way of a stall, any restaurant with feeding a neighbor for money. The question often arises in the aspiration of an individual who longs for enrichment. As an example, I can give the same Bill Gates. In his school years, he wrote programs for a company, on order. What do most of our puberts do?
                Yes, not only them.
                -Today I spent 12 hours at work today, I don’t understand why they do not add a salary to me? And at home I watched YouTube with a bottle of beer all evening and again, in my pocket, no increase was visible. )))
                In addition, if you can not do anything, then live even in Russia, at least in Japan, Germany or the United States, there will be only one path - revenge on the streets or washing dishes, for an appropriate fee.

                PS
                There is a clear example in the delivery of finished products. Having laid out no more than 4 rubles 100 years ago, at this moment, this gentleman has a profit of up to 000/1 million rubles a day !!!
                Another example, the same rental. Taking the equipment in the bank on credit, you can repay interest and make a profit, without initially investing anything.
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 17 December 2016 18: 54
                  +2
                  Quote: Peter Romane
                  Did you write this in good memory? Mindful of his labor service, the year that way in '92, at the beginning of the year salary was around 100 rubles. by the end of the year 150! This is inflation! And prices rose wherever, as quickly.

                  Do you think I don’t remember that? Only this inflation was artificial. Gaidar made free prices for everything, and forcedly raised the price of gas in 3 times. Everything was done in order to empty our pockets. And before that there was a reform of Pavlov. And after - default in 98. Now it’s dangerous to carry out such things, we have already been taught. Therefore, inflation is not particularly accelerated. All I remember, do not treat me here, I myself worked in 90.
                  Quote: Peter Romane
                  As an example, I can give the same Bill Gates. In his school years, he wrote programs for a company, on order.

                  Not everyone is so smart.
                  And, though, I can give my neighbor as an example.
                  He finished school with a gold medal, worked as a designer in one of the design bureaus, and when this was reduced, he began to teach at the university. Remember how much teachers were paid in those years? So he could not stand it, fell off to construction sites in Moscow, where he reached the 3 group. Now she receives 6 thousand by disability, and no one needs horseradish. My wife left, I have never even seen my daughter, although I have been living with him for almost 20 years. What do you think? And how does this power differ from the previous one if it is present at the opening of the Yolkin centers?
                  Quote: Peter Romane
                  Having laid out 4 years ago no more than 100 000

                  Someone will give my neighbor 100tysch? Haha Yes, he interrupted from bread to water. The destiny of people like him is to die quietly.
                  Quote: Peter Romane
                  Taking equipment at the bank on credit

                  They will give him, then they will catch up with him and still give. I worked for a while in the society of people with disabilities, and therefore I know what I'm writing about. Healthy problems they do not see point blank; they are mostly doomed to quiet extinction. Google how many have declined in at least the last couple of years. Do you think they were cured? Haha, three times.
                  1. Peter Romane
                    Peter Romane 17 December 2016 20: 31
                    0
                    There were recently monetary professions - telemaster, carburetor, etc. But the wind of change blew them away and they are not to blame for that, as there is no need to look for other guilty ones. Time has made its own adjustments: "He who did not have time is late." The designers were apparently standing in the same row.
                    About the size of pensions for people with disabilities, I confess I do not know. I do not own the topic. But I know that in many Western countries, it is better not to get sick at all. In the States, Google, the disability pension is not so big and they pay it if I managed to save it. Following this path, your neighbor should go to such a job and insure himself. Another thing is that his salary would be reduced right there. But this is the problem of the employer. Rather than him, but the greed with which 99,9% of businessmen are eager to cash in, not thinking about subordinates. Does the government have control over them? Like a snake in a pan. But maybe time will pass and everything will be fried. )))
                    In the meantime, in the lexicon of businessmen, one can only hear fines, dismiss, etc. For they know that the line to them is endless, because there are only a few like them. There would be more businessmen in the country, every employee would be cherished. But alas, the Soviet past euthanized a commercial vein in us, and for many this occupation is alien and wild. Therefore, we mnem hats on the threshold of the gentleman, below asking for a crust of bread that we have earned.
                    1. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 17 December 2016 21: 14
                      +2
                      Quote: Peter Romane
                      Does the government have control over them?

                      There is no government on them. They just take Gaster instead of you, and that’s it.
                      Quote: Peter Romane
                      There would be more businessmen in the country,

                      And again, everything depends on the absence of normal business conditions. In Canada, for example, electricity is cheaper, banks give a low interest rate, where "our" tractors are produced. Or take offshore companies .... Sorry, but I will not answer on this thread anymore. Tired of pouring from empty to empty. hi
                      1. Peter Romane
                        Peter Romane 17 December 2016 22: 27
                        0
                        OK.
                        "It is not the Kremlin that burns the pots, but the Kremlin interferes with a bad dancer."
                        If the conditions are not the same, we are so glad that we do not live in Mexico, Brazil, Pakistan or, at worst, in Libya.
                        Canada OK. We will be equal to Canada.
                        But as B. Gates said: The dollar will not fly between J +++ and the sofa.

                        And there are opportunities for the majority of the population. Just look at the gaster. Businesses are not big, but they know how to open.
                        I would have believed if I hadn’t done anything.
                        So we will not blame the Kremlin, if .....)))
    2. aleks700
      aleks700 17 December 2016 07: 09
      0
      ... As a result, the selling side received both profit and a new defender of its interests in the camp of the enemy. "
      What is not an example?
      Not an example. The proceeds from the profits will be used by the Qatari against Russia. Strengthened the enemy and weakened himself.
      1. Peter Romane
        Peter Romane 17 December 2016 13: 58
        0
        When the Swiss are invited to impose sanctions against Rosneft, there will be people
        who will raise a howl.
        When the Qatari people are offered to lower oil prices, there will be people who will raise a cry.
        1. aleks700
          aleks700 17 December 2016 14: 11
          0
          And this hour when prices fell to 30 who howled, squealed, shouted in Qatar. No one. Everything is subject to politics. Anti Russian politics.
  8. 1536
    1536 16 December 2016 16: 30
    +4
    Boldyre, Boldytrev ... Which one is "Yavlinsky-Boldyrev-Lukin"? An Apple? Keep away from me, mind you.
    And what should have been done? I understood that it was necessary to bomb Qatar, since our army is nearby, and take his money for ourselves. To go according to the American scenario, which, incidentally, is also ours: "Once again blurt out something in this tone, and your Qatar will not be tomorrow," the Russian representative to the UN V. Churkin allegedly told the Qatar representative in 2012 (based on materials Algerian press).
    You can fool people for 500 days, and then transfer all of Rosneft to the fund of the Yabloko party or to the development of democracy in Russia, and immediately give it to the Americans, as the first fighters for the cause of democracy. Only then, Qatar will bomb us on American planes. So, wherever you throw, everywhere a wedge.
    1. Karabin
      Karabin 16 December 2016 20: 45
      +5
      Quote: 1536
      Boldyre, Boldytrev ... Which one is "Yavlinsky-Boldyrev-Lukin"?

      He is. In 95, he left Yabloko due to conflicts over a number of issues, such as the law on the Central Bank, electoral law, as well as on the Production Sharing Agreement, which was lobbyed by the apple faction led by Grigory Yavlinsky. Subsequently, he called his former colleagues in the Yabloko party deceivers, swindlers and traitors to Russia's interests. This is from Wiki. .
      1. vanavatny
        vanavatny 16 December 2016 21: 45
        +1
        yeah, but there’s a nuance not from the wiki: they worked on the law for a long time together, and only then there were some disagreements, of course about the crooks ... he left the faction in September, the CPP was approved in December, after months of usual approvals and delays: so our the hero is one of the direct authors, and we only know about the reasons for the disagreements from his lordship, and what did he do a little earlier in the epi center? Did he help his homeland? Which one? Did this center help the penetration of foreign corporations to us? What does the wiki say? And in the Accounts Chamber, what are the results of the work? 4 out of 40 removed .. not a lot, with our corruption, then the hero does not pull
  9. Burmistr
    Burmistr 16 December 2016 16: 39
    +6
    Only wipe the article. Either the author does not know what changes are occurring, or (which is most likely) intentionally induces hysteria.
    1. Rastas
      Rastas 16 December 2016 19: 19
      +10
      You're right. To stupid cheers-patriots who see the truth and justice, where she does not smell, it is better not to read such articles. Live in your virtual world with kissel shores.
  10. JonnyT
    JonnyT 16 December 2016 16: 49
    +2
    To be honest, it looks more like permogo, sucked from a finger.
    1. kepmor
      kepmor 17 December 2016 07: 09
      +4
      How would our grandchildren and great-grandchildren not have to "suck that very finger" themselves after the "Putin era" .......
  11. Alekspel
    Alekspel 16 December 2016 17: 15
    +18
    I don’t understand well in economics, I’m a techie. However, two technical entities are enough to understand fool us, oh fool. First: the people to whom I relate to myself and have nothing from these sales. I think that all replenishment of the budget goes to the budget again, and it is sawn between budget allocators, and also to the defense industry. The defense industry needs no words, mainly so that our grandmothers can reasonably say: Thank God there is at least no war. However, when you travel to Europe (it happened to be there) it becomes a shame for yourself, you feel like a raw materials appendage, because you live there better. So for now, all the successes on the external front have no effect on the internal one. Yes there are Auchans, Ribbons, etc. however, prices bite and salaries (not to mention pensions) are not enough for everything to live more or less normally, but this is not a problem either. The trouble is to realize that a huge country rich in resources lives very poorly, so that some Pole Yakub Koreyba on our television has the audacity to ridicule us. But it is correctly mocked, they live better in Poland - I’ve been, I know, and I’m not offended by him. I am offended by my leaders, why did you organize the business so poorly, gentlemen, that in such a rich country people live so miserably with you! And after all, our DAM prime minister, with a clever expression on his face, again interprets that everything is very good with us! Of course, they have a good idea! And yes, given that there is no war on the territory of the country, it’s certainly not bad (grandmothers will say so), but what else is good? We must live significantly, an order of magnitude better! Why are we worse than Denmark or Finland, where pensions are 140 and 120 thousand rubles!
    1. quolta
      quolta 16 December 2016 19: 43
      0
      pensions 140 and 120 thousand rubles! - and what prices are interesting to know there
    2. PHANTOM-AS
      PHANTOM-AS 16 December 2016 23: 42
      +2
      Quote: Alekspel
      Why are we worse than Denmark or Finland, where pensions are 140 and 120 thousand rubles!

      leaders
  12. Terner38
    Terner38 16 December 2016 17: 39
    +1
    This is not the same Boldyrev, which "Yavlinsky - Boldyrev-Lukin?" In general, the logic is interesting - when Gazprom and others like it buy assets abroad, then everyone immediately shouts - why not buy all one thing! Now the situation is the opposite - why did they sell the national property ?? Only if something happens now can we squeeze out all taxes - most importantly, remain in Russia.
    1. Rastas
      Rastas 16 December 2016 19: 18
      +12
      Yes, this is the same Yury Yuryevich Boldyrev, dismissed by Yeltsin from the KRU for the facts of theft and corruption in power revealed by Boldyrev, which is why Yeltsin was angry with him. He left Yabloko in 95, accusing his former colleagues of betraying the interests of Russia. He always spoke out against Chubais privatization, and against the shooting of the House of Soviets in 93, and against Russia's entry into the WTO. And you remember one thing, but not a word about the other.
  13. Dekabrist
    Dekabrist 16 December 2016 18: 00
    +3
    In the media there is a lot of much more intelligible material on this deal than the story performed by this mustachioed uncle. For an example below.

    “A Swiss trader with an ambiguous reputation came to the aid of the Russian budget.

    The largest oil deal, which President Vladimir Putin hastened to announce in person, ended in confusion in the expert community, even though at first glance the Rosneft’s partial privatization agreement seemed completely transparent. According to the published documents, the Swiss trading company Glencore and Qatar State Sovereign Fund (Qatar Investment Authority) acquired 19,5% of the shares of the Russian state-owned company.

    According to the press secretary of the Russian president Dmitry Peskov, the transaction value amounted to 10,5 billion euros. A few hours later, Glencore representatives corrected it, adding that 10,2 billion euros had been paid for a block of shares. Of this amount, a Swiss trader will contribute 300 million euros in equity. Despite such a "modest" participation, Glencore will receive exactly half of the package sold. The “remainder” will be paid by Qatari financiers and some unnamed banks.

    According to the Reuters agency, the Italian bank Intesa Sanpaolo partially funded the purchase of the Russian state-owned company. This information has not yet been verified.

    “On the eve of Rosneft placed its bonds in the amount of more than 600 billion rubles, and who received these bonds is unclear,” Mikhail Krutikhin, partner of the RusEnergy consulting company, an oil and gas sector analyst, told Voice of America correspondent. “It turns out some kind of move in order to save this deal from a failure that clearly threatened her.”

    However, the British Financial Times has already called the privatization of Rosneft a personal triumph of Putin. The deal, which even before the end of this year promised to bring the Russian treasury more than 700 billion rubles, until the very last moment was in jeopardy.

    Representatives of Japanese, Vietnamese and Indian companies have consistently refused to participate in negotiations with the Russian oil state company. According to Mikhail Krutikhin, the offer did not interest Chinese investors either, who made it clear that they were not going to discuss the purchase of a minority stake, which did not give the right to participate in the management of the company.

    Another problem for potential investors was the sanctions imposed by the US and European countries against Rosneft. State-owned companies were denied the right to purchase equipment for oil and gas production abroad. Foreign banks also do not have the right to lend to the activities of the largest Russian company.

    As a result, the deal was in jeopardy. In order to fulfill on time the decision of the Kremlin, which had already budgeted profits from concluding a profitable contract, Rosneft had to take urgent steps.

    “The Russian state really needs money,” said Andreas Goldthau, Royal Holloway University of London, an energy policy expert, professor at the Royal University of London, explained to the Voice of America correspondent. - The country's economy is in a difficult situation, the ruble has significantly fallen in price, and relatively low oil prices have negatively affected budget revenues. So the current privatization initiative of the Kremlin is caused only by the urgent need for an influx of new funds. ”

    A Swiss company with an ambiguous reputation came to the rescue of Rosneft. Glencore International AG is considered one of the world's largest suppliers of raw materials, rare earth metals, as well as coal, aluminum and zinc.

    The company was founded in 1974 by businessmen Mark Rich and Pincus Green and was then named Marc Rich + Co AG. In the business world, the company quickly gained a reputation as an extremely risky and aggressive trader who prefers to work in complex markets. At one time, the company skillfully circumvented the American embargo, trading in Iranian oil and Cuban nickel, making deals in Libya and South Africa, despite UN sanctions against these countries.

    In 1983, the US government issued an arrest warrant for company executives, accusing them of violating the sanctions regime and tax evasion in the amount of 48 million dollars. Both Rich and Green were forced to leave the United States.

    This, however, did not stop them at the very end of the 80's from launching an active attack on the Russian market. According to some estimates, from 1989 to 1993 alone, the annual turnover of Marc Rich's trade with the countries of the former USSR was about 4 billion dollars.

    Over the past 25 years, the Swiss company, which changed its name to Glencore in 1994, managed to work with almost all Russian oligarchs. The list of “clients” included Boris Berezovsky, Roman Abramovich, Oleg Deripaska, Mikhail Gutseriev and many others.

    According to 2010, Glencore controls 60% of the global zinc market, 50% of copper and at least 9% of grain sales. After Mark Rich's death in 2013, the Swiss company became a leader in the Russian oil sales market, gaining the right to sell 70% of Rosneft's products.

    Under the new contract, the Swiss will additionally receive from the Russian state-owned company another 220 of thousands of barrels of oil per day for five years. Analyst Mikhail Krutikhin believes that these deliveries will be made by reducing cooperation with other traders. At the same time, according to him, the deal turned out to be beneficial for the Qatari State Fund, for the Swiss oil trader, and for the Russian budget.

    “It is not very clear why it was necessary to invent such a complex scheme,” Mikhail Krutikhin wonders. - There is a state-owned company Rosneftegaz, to which dividends and Rosneft and partially Gazprom are listed. Wasn’t it easier to cover the state budget deficit not to attract a Swiss trader, but simply to transfer to the treasury colossal funds that have already been accumulated in the accounts of Rosneftegaz? ”

    Adreas Goldso agrees that all participants in the oil deal were the winners. Nevertheless, in his opinion, both Glencore and the Qatari State Fund took significant economic risks by signing this agreement.

    Rosneft remains a company whose activities are wholly controlled by the Russian state, so that neither the Swiss trader nor the Qatari financiers can influence the strategy chosen by the Russian oil giant, he said in an interview with Voice of America. “But only time will tell how profitable these investments will be.” For this, first of all, it is necessary that relations between Russia and Western countries return to normal, sanctions are lifted, and Moscow begins to comply with all obligations regarding private property. I still doubt all of this. But in any case, we must admit that Glencore perfectly hedged its risks by investing relatively little money in a potentially very profitable venture. ”
    1. SPACE
      SPACE 16 December 2016 19: 28
      +1
      According to Glinkor, the economic compass can be verified, of course, the reasons for such transactions lie mainly in the economy, but the consequences are usually reflected in politics. And then they did not sell the key in this transaction, but bought it, probably Qatar and Europe decided to enter the Russia-Syria-Turkey consortium in this way on the construction of the Qatar-Europe oil and gas pipeline)))
  14. base66
    base66 16 December 2016 18: 55
    +7
    they would have sold the whole country at once, along with the slaves, anyway it will end like the fate of our country - to be full of crap ... m.
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  16. Amper
    Amper 16 December 2016 21: 30
    +4
    Something everyone buried in some wilds.
    Who sells the homeland, they asked Malchish-Kibalchish? Bourgeois, he replied, and dropped his bloody head.
    Who is most happy about this victory? Enemies of My Homeland ...
    Who signed this decree? Read the bulletins of SovInforBuro! Homeland is in danger.!
    Fornication .. The bottom is always there!
  17. Amper
    Amper 16 December 2016 21: 34
    0
    Quote: basy66
    they would have sold the whole country at once, along with the slaves, anyway it will end like the fate of our country - to be full of crap ... m.

    It's a shame, of course ...
    But just like that, victory should not go to anyone! ... Sand in bucks, mouse .. dog .. This is not in our spirit, we are RUSSIAN! SARNISH ON KITCHA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  18. Damask
    Damask 16 December 2016 22: 08
    0
    Why argue, just some kind of phenomenon calculated that there would soon be again a spasmodic increase in oil prices, as it was more than once in history, again a game of capitalists, I remember the time even profit from it in Russia
  19. Cube123
    Cube123 16 December 2016 22: 11
    +2
    Mordvin 3,
    If you have not read it, I highly recommend the book by J. Perkins "Confessions of an Economic Murderer". It is about how capital is exported from countries that have foreign exchange earnings. Very entertaining reading. All the mechanics of economic enslavement at a glance. They tried to do the same with Russia.

    Try to read and "THE STRUCTURE OF THE EXTERNAL DEBT OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION: RATIO OF STATE AND CORPORATE DEBT, ITS DYNAMICS"
    http://economyandbusiness.ru/struktura-vneshnego-
    dolga-rossijskoj-federatsii-sootnoshenie-gosudars
    tvennogo-i-korporativnogo-dolga-ego-dinamika
    Since 2014, the amount of external debt has been reduced by $ 200 billion. And a reduction in debt is also a reduction in interest paid and the balance of the debt. Those. this is a reduction in the necessary export of capital.
  20. Kudrevkn
    Kudrevkn 16 December 2016 23: 44
    +4
    If the communists had replaced Zyuganov with Boldyrev, leaving "Comrade Zyu" as the honorary "General Secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation," then they would have today both a parliamentary majority and the "Government of People's Trust", but the stubbornness and senility of the "Politburo" headed by " crocodile Gena "and alas and ah? We have what we have, "Do you hold on" !?
    1. vanavatny
      vanavatny 17 December 2016 00: 14
      0
      he wrote on the site of local communists about how he looked like an old announcement on a fence - a feeling as if he had hung his own and remained the only spectator: do not overestimate them or him
  21. Megatron
    Megatron 17 December 2016 01: 55
    +5
    The correct article. Hello to all couch Putinists. As they robbed us, they rob us!
    1. Tambov Wolf
      Tambov Wolf 17 December 2016 12: 21
      +4
      What are you these comrades so severely? If Putin farted in their nose, they still say that Chanel No. 8 smelled. And the fact that they are selling the country is their KhPP. Yeltsin’s policy continues to live. A thief is a thief and a thief chases.
  22. trantor
    trantor 17 December 2016 05: 26
    +5
    The personality of Boldyrev can be discussed as much as you like. But, nevertheless, why did they sell Rosneft? Are we short of money? False. Our budget funds have been utilized only by 80%, including non-targeted expenditures here - and this is differently already more than the amount of the transaction ...
  23. Vadim237
    Vadim237 17 December 2016 09: 44
    0
    PHANTOM-AS,
    "Ace back to" Russia 24 "announced the amount of exported capital for the 14-15th years - about $ 200 billion." The main thing is that from these exported, taxes were paid.
  24. Altona
    Altona 17 December 2016 11: 59
    0
    Quote: SPACE
    "Democracy is the worst form of government" Churchill.
    "The people cannot rule, it is physically impossible" Bernad Shaw.
    "In kindergarten, in a psychiatric hospital and in the army, democracy is contraindicated." Space.
    )))

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    Did you try to take off, as I understand it? )))