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Media: Tokyo does not exclude the appearance of American bases on the southern Kuriles

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Tokyo does not rule out the possibility of deploying US military bases on the southern islands of the Kuril Ridge, said Secretary of the National Security Council of Japan Setaro Yati during a visit to Moscow in November, the Asahi newspaper reported.




“The optimism of Japan (regarding the achievement of progress on the territorial issue), starting in November, began to weaken. In early November, the Secretary of the National Security Council of Japan, Setaro Yati, who arrived in Moscow, met with the Secretary of the Russian Security Council, Nikolai Patrushev. According to numerous government sources, Patrushev asked if the American bases would be located on the islands if the two islands were handed over to Japan, as stated in the Joint Declaration (1956 of the year). Yati said: "There is such an opportunity", " - quotes an article RIA News.

The publication also cites the opinion of other Japanese officials, who believe that "such an answer goes without saying: if the islands are under the sovereignty of Japan, they will be subject to a security agreement between Tokyo and Washington."

It is with this that the author of the article associates the "lowering of the degree of expectations of progress in the negotiations on the territorial issue with the Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe." The prime minister, who previously did not hide his optimism about Vladimir Putin’s visit to Japan, said after the summit in Peru that “it’s impossible to achieve a big step right away, the main thing is to move step by step,” because “in one meeting it’s impossible to solve a problem that couldn’t solve xnumx years.

On Tuesday, in an interview with Japanese television, Putin said that attempts “from the first step” to talk about Japanese sovereignty on the disputed islands will close further discussion of this issue.

“You have raised the question that economic activity can develop on the islands (southern Kuriles), which Japan will exercise sovereignty over. If this is the case from the first step, then the second step is not needed. Because the question can be considered closed. Because we did not agree on this, ”the President of the Russian Federation noted.
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  1. Ihrek
    Ihrek 14 December 2016 09: 25
    +93
    If Putin gives at least one island, then the people will not understand. When I talk about the people, I mean the real patriots of my country, who remember the sacrifices suffered in the second world war by our country.
    It must be remembered that Japan was the main ally of Hitler in the Far East, and in which case they would not regret us.
    1. vkl.47
      vkl.47 14 December 2016 09: 31
      +29
      Well, the Japanese put an end to the negotiations. They can't see ostravov. Yes, and no one was going to give them anything. Where did the panic come from again? That a lot of droopers got divorced. Nothing was decided and already in the war, such "comrades" were shot in forehead
      1. alex-s
        alex-s 14 December 2016 09: 43
        +19
        Tokyo does not rule out the appearance of American bases on the southern Kuril Islands

        Therefore, it is necessary to exclude the appearance of the Japanese in the southern Kuril Islands !!!
        1. cniza
          cniza 14 December 2016 09: 51
          +25
          So everything fell into place, the United States is torn there, first of all.
          1. Mikado
            Mikado 14 December 2016 10: 23
            +14
            I don't understand this. First, they say - give up the islands, then they do not exclude the possibility of the appearance there of bases of our main geopolitical enemy (excuse me, "partner"). Like, a very tempting offer for us. Is the world out of your mind?
            It seems to me that all this bargaining around the Kuril Islands is a banal distraction of the attention of its own population. Each Japanese government threatens to solve this problem by wringing its pictures in hand, speaking high-flown (and cliched) phrases and looking at the islands with binoculars. It seems that they now have a national idea!
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 14 December 2016 10: 48
              +11
              Also me - an open secret! Hedgehog in the forest from the very beginning, and so it was clear!

              Well, for whom else could Japan try to be OCCUPIED after WWII by the Americans, if not for deploying military bases on the Kuril Islands for the USA? Everything else is secondary!
            2. starpom
              starpom 14 December 2016 10: 53
              +27
              Quote: Mikado
              ... and looking at the islands with binoculars

              1. lelikas
                lelikas 14 December 2016 11: 02
                +2
                Outstripped while occupied by work :)))))
              2. nika407
                nika407 14 December 2016 18: 30
                +3
                It looks like a monument to EBN ...
                1. Svetlana
                  Svetlana 14 December 2016 20: 42
                  +1
                  Quote: nika407
                  It looks like a monument to EBN ...

                  Cool! But it is hardly true, since he was an alcoholic and hardly had such a potency. A little embellished, I would say.
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 14 December 2016 20: 53
                    +2
                    Quote: Svetlana
                    Quote: nika407
                    It looks like a monument to EBN ...

                    Cool! But it is hardly true, since he was an alcoholic and hardly had such a potency. A little embellished, I would say.

                    And what, Korzhakov tried in vain with Operation Sunset laughingWow, Naina didn't thank him.
            3. Stas157
              Stas157 14 December 2016 12: 31
              +10
              Patrushev asked whether "American bases will be deployed on the islands" in the event of the transfer of two islands to Japan

              And why did Patrushev ask such questions from scratch ?? We do not sell territories! Obviously, Putin has set a task for all departments to assess the consequences of the transfer of the islands of Japan. That's why Patrushev tortured the Japanese!)) But the question is different, but what ... Putin gives such instructions? Just like that, with nothing to do? The king became bored?)) Don’t go to the grandmother, it’s clear that the option of transferring the islands is in the air! But, here I want, and pricks! I hope even he understands that the electorate will not approve of this!
              And the Japanese, people are simple and naive, give and lay out, the whole truth! What the vassal of the owner cannot control! And if the Americans want, they will make a base for themselves even in the palace of the emperor in Kyoto! In short, the Japanese are helping us, how can our islands be saved.
              1. Stanislas
                Stanislas 14 December 2016 15: 00
                +2
                Quote: Stas157
                Don’t go to the grandmother, it’s clear that the transfer option of the islands
                You would not go to a grandmother, but to a good specialist.
                1. Stas157
                  Stas157 14 December 2016 16: 46
                  +4
                  Quote: Stanislav
                  You would not go to a grandmother, but to a good specialist.

                  Yes, I myself am a good specialist!)) But what? What are you complaining about? Split personality? Frustration about the mismatch between the desired and the real? You are welcome! I see, you are our client!))
                  1. Stanislas
                    Stanislas 14 December 2016 19: 01
                    +1
                    Quote: Stas157
                    Yes, I myself am a good specialist!
                    Only it is very disturbing and suspicious)) This quality only helps alarmists.
                    1. Stas157
                      Stas157 15 December 2016 11: 47
                      +4
                      Quote: Stanislav
                      Only it is very anxious and suspicious))

                      Well, for our islands it’s possible to worry too. After all, the situation is far from being healthy around them. Not out of nowhere.
                      1. Stanislas
                        Stanislas 15 December 2016 13: 06
                        0
                        Quote: Stas157
                        the situation is far from being healthy around them
                        And I hope that the two islands under the agreement of the 56th year can be transferred for use for 50 years (and then, possibly, for indefinite use) under the conditions of the absence of foreign bases throughout Japan and under other peaceful conditions agreement by the parties. The ownership of the islands in the coming years should not be discussed.
            4. Svetlana
              Svetlana 14 December 2016 14: 00
              +5
              Quote: Mikado
              It seems to me that all this bargaining around the Kuril Islands is a banal distraction of the attention of its own population. Each Japanese government threatens to solve this problem by wringing its pictures in hand, speaking high-flown (and cliched) phrases and looking at the islands with binoculars. It seems that they now have a national idea!

              I also got the feeling that this is again some kind of PR move for public opinion. It was clear to people about American bases without any statements. But for some reason they announced this publicly right now, when tomorrow the meeting should take place, and the conversation about American bases was already in November. Why didn’t a word be said about this right away? Somehow it’s all illogical. It seems that again everything is done to maintain the image of our guarantor. Now he will refuse the Japanese and everyone will breathe a sigh of relief and rejoice. But co-management on our lands while maintaining Russian sovereignty is also an unacceptable thing. Why on earth would the losers of the world war rule in our native land? Yes, even their legs should not be there under any circumstances! They killed our soldiers on this earth and we must always remember this!
              1. Mikado
                Mikado 14 December 2016 15: 47
                +3
                Now he will refuse the Japanese and everyone will breathe a sigh of relief and rejoice.

                including japan. Their national idea will continue to live. drinks each new Japanese leadership will again go to the elections with the slogan "Let's return the Kuril Islands!" lol
                the Japanese should not be allowed to manage for one single reason: they will really manage and develop. While our "leaders" will fill their pockets (of course, they will plant the next Khoroshavins), and the people leave there, the Japanese will build and operate enterprises, and their number on the islands will only increase. I have already emphasized that we (in the sense, our "leadership") have not known for a hundred and fifty years what to do with the Far East. There people in comparison with the rest of Russia with a gulkin nose.
          2. cap
            cap 14 December 2016 11: 07
            +2
            Quote: cniza
            So everything fell into place, the United States is torn there, first of all.


            What I wrote about no more than yesterday. hi
          3. OLD FART
            OLD FART 14 December 2016 18: 42
            0
            Quote: cniza
            So everything fell into place, the United States is torn there, first of all.

            Guys are all politics ... the Japanese ponte! The US has already broken its navel rushing about the world and setting fire to the regions around Russia .. In debt they are in silk! Let them post (although these are all words ...) Eun think I will be glad about this ...

            And we can with China and help the DPRK ... bully
        2. lelikas
          lelikas 14 December 2016 11: 01
          +5
          The picture has become even more relevant ....
        3. krasin
          krasin 14 December 2016 13: 12
          +1
          [quote] [/ quote] Tokyo does not exclude the appearance of American bases in the southern Kuril Islands

          In vain he said it
      2. Ratmir_Ryazan
        Ratmir_Ryazan 14 December 2016 12: 01
        +9
        Some kind of companionship enrages ... The answer should always be the same - Russia does not trade in its land! And the point ... And then already Damansky near China and Tarabarov Island and part of Bolshoi Ussuriysky Island ... Bl. no words ... Like for the sake of a "peace treaty", but these treaties can only be wiped off, no more benefit from them ...
        1. Green trumpet
          Green trumpet 14 December 2016 16: 59
          +1
          And Norway a piece of the Barents Sea ... Russia is a generous soul ...
      3. Green trumpet
        Green trumpet 14 December 2016 16: 26
        +5
        that a lot of poniks got divorced. nothing has been decided but already howl. in the war such "comrades" are shot in the forehead

        vkl.47 Nobody panics .. There is only objective reality. Look at it with your own eyes, if you still have them, and not through the eyes of the media. Unplug your TV and think carefully about what's going on in our country. Why everything is being done to destroy our state. Why Russian people are made instead of creators "consumers. You will surely find many" inconsistencies "to which you yourself do not know the answer.
        Personally, I no longer believe the president. One thing is clear that he defends the interests of the financial oligarchy in Russia, but on the interests of our people.
    2. rotmistr60
      rotmistr60 14 December 2016 09: 33
      +6
      If Putin gives at least one island ...

      I advise you to listen to an interview with GDP for the Japanese media. I hope that your patriotism will remain with you. All the same, you need to follow the news.
      1. avt
        avt 14 December 2016 10: 47
        +1
        Quote: rotmistr60
        I advise you to listen to the GDP interview for Japanese media

        Well, yes. He said beautifully and confidently, and quite harshly in his answer to the question about “territorial problems.” Almost literally - Russia does NOT have them, they are in Japan. Let's wait for the results of the visit. I think the maximum is signing a peace treaty and a gas pipeline from Sakhalin.
        1. rotmistr60
          rotmistr60 14 December 2016 10: 49
          +3
          Another free visit by the Japanese наших islands.
          1. Samarin
            Samarin 14 December 2016 11: 10
            +5
            Or maybe a free visit first ours our islands?
            Try a trip to the Kuril Islands ...
            1. rotmistr60
              rotmistr60 14 December 2016 11: 18
              +3
              Try a trip to the Kuril Islands ...

              Make a border pass and welcome. And you, that you wanted to enter the border zone just like that? But apparently you do not rush there. Therefore, do not la, la poplar. There are laws that must be followed. By the way, if you have a relative serving there, then you can ask him to issue a certificate by which you can enter.
        2. Koshel2901
          Koshel2901 14 December 2016 11: 13
          0
          According to the 1956 declaration signed by the USSR AFTER the signing of the peace treaty, two islands
          transmitted to Japan! Here's the x ---...
          1. gispanec
            gispanec 14 December 2016 11: 48
            +1
            Quote: Koshel2901
            According to the 1956 declaration signed by the USSR AFTER the signing of the peace treaty, two islands
            transmitted to Japan! Such

            ... no there is a sequel
            1 Peace Treaty
            2 The withdrawal of all American soldiers from Japan - the complete absence of American bases
            3 Kunashir and Iturup forever give up the territory of Russia - a legislative act in Japan
            4 and only when fulfilling the first three points, we must transfer the islands of Habomai and Shikotan to Yap ... the USSR and Japan signed such a declaration in 56, but as you understand the first three points, Yapes will not be executed when (not very Yap and sovereign) therefore, talking about transferring the islands can be long and tedious, but impossible to fulfill ..... it’s like in Ukraine ... Minsk agreements, if the DNI and LC are fulfilled, it seems like they should become the federal district of Ukraine, but you understand that this is not will be.....
            1. Oleg Monarchist
              Oleg Monarchist 14 December 2016 13: 49
              0
              Where did you find there "Withdrawal of all American soldiers from Japanese territory - complete absence of American bases"?

              The Bolshevik government of Khrushchev, and then crap:
              Art. 3 p. B, second paragraph
              The USSR and Japan confirm that, in accordance with Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, each state has an inalienable right to an individual or collective self-defense.


              The Bolsheviks themselves confirmed the right of the Japanese to establish American bases, for the "collective self-defense" of Japan.
              1. gispanec
                gispanec 14 December 2016 14: 03
                0
                Quote: Oleg Monarchist
                Where did you find there "Withdrawal of all American goldsmiths from Japan

                read the full declaration, there in black and white about the US base
                1. Oleg Monarchist
                  Oleg Monarchist 14 December 2016 14: 44
                  +1
                  I read and even completely posted the entire text of the declaration (below) ... there is not a word about the US bases.
                  1. gispanec
                    gispanec 14 December 2016 19: 17
                    0
                    Quote: Oleg Monarchist
                    I read and even completely posted the entire text of the declaration (below) ... there is not a word about the US bases.

                    Well, I don’t know what you are reading .... maybe from the resource where it is cut off .... I read about the US military which should not be in Japan ...
                    1. Oleg Monarchist
                      Oleg Monarchist 14 December 2016 19: 56
                      0
                      From here, for example

                      http://vff-s.narod.ru/kur/his/k_is01.html
                      or
                      https://ru.wikisource.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BE%D0%B2
                      %D0%B5%D1%82%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE-%D1%8F%D0%BF%D0%BE
                      %D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BA
                      %D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8F_1956_%
                      D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%B0
                      If there are other options, I will be glad to get acquainted with them and even I will be glad to make a mistake.
                    2. Odysseus
                      Odysseus 14 December 2016 20: 27
                      0
                      Quote: gispanec
                      Well, I don’t know what you are reading .... maybe from the resource where it is cut off .... I read about the US military which should not be in Japan ...

                      A small explanation. According to the 1956 declaration, two islands are transferred to Japan after the peace treaty. The peace treaty was not concluded. Moreover, through the fault of Japan (read the United States).
                      Accordingly, the Soviet government considered the question settled.
                      Moreover, in 1960, Japan concluded a treaty with the United States that secured the presence of US bases on its territory, allowed them to import nuclear weapons, etc.
                      In response to this, the Soviet government issued a memorandum where, as an additional condition for returning to the 1956 declaration, it indicated the withdrawal of American bases from Japan. The exact wording is “Only if all foreign troops are withdrawn from Japan, the islands of Habomai and Shikotan will be transferred to Japan” .
                      The Japanese government did not agree to this, after which the issue of transferring the islands by the Soviet government was not discussed, although Japan tried to put it, for example, at the 1973 talks.
                      PS Of course, the discussion of the peace treaty in 2016 has nothing to do with the unfulfilled peace treaty of 1956. Not only has the reality changed, but this treaty has never been concluded. And an attempt by the Japanese government to appeal to a declaration of intent 60 years ago, torn down by its own fault, is generally nonsense.
                      1. Oleg Monarchist
                        Oleg Monarchist 14 December 2016 20: 51
                        0
                        Well, this is somewhat pleasing.
                      2. gispanec
                        gispanec 15 December 2016 06: 46
                        0
                        Quote: Odyssey
                        And an attempt by the Japanese government to appeal to a declaration of intent 60 years ago, torn down by its own fault, is generally nonsense.

                        Well, no)) laughing ... Yapi admitted their mistake 60 years ago and are ready to sign a peace treaty .... (Yabe in an interview with some publication), BUT .... except for the peace treaty they must .... see wrote above .... and this will not ... Putin will discuss .... the government will .... even the chief of Chukotka will discuss ... wassat there will be no transfer of islands .... since the Americans will not leave Japan .... it seems like not when
        3. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 14 December 2016 11: 47
          +3
          Quote: avt
          I think the maximum is the signing of a peace treaty and the gas pipeline from Sakhalin.

          It would be necessary to voice the return of Hokkaido to the Japanese. How many more original Russian territories will be under occupation?
      2. Samarin
        Samarin 14 December 2016 11: 09
        +3
        Quote: rotmistr60
        All the same, you need to follow the news

        I advise you not to abuse the news from the media.
        1. rotmistr60
          rotmistr60 14 December 2016 11: 11
          0
          Thanks for the advice. But our media for some reason differ in the veracity of information from the Western ones. Do not find?
          1. potroshenko
            potroshenko 14 December 2016 11: 42
            +2
            Quote: rotmistr60
            But our media for some reason differ in the veracity of information from the Western ones. Do not find?

            You are joking?
            Now I understand why we cannot hear each other.
            1. rotmistr60
              rotmistr60 14 December 2016 11: 53
              0
              If we cannot hear each other, then this is not the fault of the media, as your perception of this friend. Therefore, Mr. Potroshenko perceive what you have at home.
    3. _Vladislav_
      _Vladislav_ 14 December 2016 09: 33
      +9
      Quote: Ihrek
      If Putin gives at least one island, then a pittance to him. All the success of Putin

      I think Putin understands this better than you.
      This is just an attempt to agree on the joint use of the two islands. Of course, for Japan, an option is acceptable in which sovereignty is absolute on the islands. Otherwise, neither two nor one and a half. This is the dead end of all this subject.
      Personally, I don’t see what can be discussed here. We don’t have any problems with the islands, if someone doesn’t like it, well, let them try to win steel eggs. If there isn’t, I recommend to come to terms with the reality that has developed at the moment.
      1. Tatyana
        Tatyana 14 December 2016 10: 54
        +5
        _Vladislav_
        This is just an attempt to agree on the joint use of the two islands.
        This does not happen in business! Let’s put your foot in the door and the whole body will fit in, which elementary can transfer all your business and all rights to it!

        Have you read the Russian folk tale about sovereignty "How did the bunny let the fox into his house"?
        1. cap
          cap 14 December 2016 11: 12
          +2
          Quote: Tatiana
          _Vladislav_
          This is just an attempt to agree on the joint use of the two islands.
          This does not happen in business! Let’s put your foot in the door and the whole body will fit in, which elementary can transfer all your business and all rights to it!

          Have you read the Russian folk tale about sovereignty "How did the bunny let the fox into his house"?

          Whoever has time can see how Japan will develop "cooperation".
    4. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 14 December 2016 09: 37
      +9
      Quote: Ihrek
      If Putin gives at least one island, then the people will not understand.
      Putin's dog immediately warned the Japanese to watch the "bazaar" ...
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 14 December 2016 09: 45
        +3
        Quote: Andrew Y.
        Quote: Ihrek
        If Putin gives at least one island, then the people will not understand.
        Putin's dog immediately warned the Japanese to watch the "bazaar" ...


        Andrei Yurich removed the language ... hi below question ...
        1. Ihrek
          Ihrek 14 December 2016 10: 01
          0
          The dog is evil at them, probably that it was passed laughing
      2. skarl
        skarl 14 December 2016 10: 21
        +1
        Animals are never wrong ... the dog pleased ... for the owner said everything ...))))
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    6. Andrey K
      Andrey K 14 December 2016 09: 40
      +19
      Quote: Ihrek
      ... If Putin gives at least one island, then the people will not understand ...

      People just won’t understand ...
      1. Green trumpet
        Green trumpet 14 December 2016 17: 05
        0
        DO NOT UNDERSTAND! Our people will not understand this ...
    7. GEV67
      GEV67 14 December 2016 09: 41
      +7
      They and Finland, too, were an ally, but this did not stop the thugs from the government from installing a memorial plaque in St. Petersburg to the manerheim of this fascist. But I completely agree with you that the true patriots of their homeland will not agree!
      1. subbtin.725
        subbtin.725 14 December 2016 09: 51
        +5
        Do we suffer so much from the absence of a "peace" agreement with narrow-film companies? The GDP of Davic said that WE, the Russians, do not trade territories. So calm down, sofa screamers.
        1. Senior manager
          Senior manager 14 December 2016 10: 07
          +4
          Read a colleague news agency materials, on the part of the Russian authorities softened rhetoric about the islands. We are already talking about step-by-step actions in solving the Japanese territorial problem. And also from Japan, such an action as denunciation can be applied, and what to take from them is forced and occupied people. Hunchback believed and where is the Union now? The islands are hard, and paper is paper. So in vain you are deceived, only the GDP knows the strategy with these islands.
          1. alexmach
            alexmach 14 December 2016 11: 13
            0
            About step-by-step actions we have been talking about since the 60s.
            Then the first step the USSR wanted to see the signing of a peace treaty.
            The second, after the signing of the peace, as an act of goodwill, the USSR promised to think about transferring the two smaller islands to Japan.

            Either the Gorbachev who gave up all Soviet positions made an indelible impression on the Japanese, even what he was not asked about. Whether talking about these islands has become such a special political ritual in Japan ...
    8. vorobey
      vorobey 14 December 2016 09: 44
      +2
      Quote: Ihrek
      If Putin gives at least one island, then the people will not understand.


      What is the name of the dog with which the Leader went to Japanese journalists?
      1. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 14 December 2016 10: 11
        0
        Quote: vorobey
        What is the name of the dog with which the Leader went to Japanese journalists?

        By a whistle.
        1. vorobey
          vorobey 14 December 2016 10: 17
          +4
          Quote: saturn.mmm
          Quote: vorobey
          What is the name of the dog with which the Leader went to Japanese journalists?

          By a whistle.


          the dog's name is "dream" - Yume. that's why the Japanese presented their dream to Russia with their own sight and hint ... the dream settled down, got a residence permit in Moscow, in general, it turned into a Russian dream ... in a word, as the Leader stated, you are rightly afraid
      2. B.T.V.
        B.T.V. 14 December 2016 10: 14
        +1
        Quote: vorobey
        What is the name of the dog with which the Leader went to Japanese journalists?


        Translated from Japanese - "Dream".
      3. Siberian
        Siberian 14 December 2016 10: 18
        +2
        The Japanese in 2012, when they presented (as a sign of gratitude, apparently, for their help in Fukushima), they called Yume (in our opinion, Dream). But how GDP calls it at home is not known.
        1. vorobey
          vorobey 14 December 2016 10: 35
          +5
          Quote: B.T.W.
          Quote: vorobey
          What is the name of the dog with which the Leader went to Japanese journalists?


          Translated from Japanese - "Dream".

          Quote: Siberian
          The Japanese in 2012, when they presented (as a sign of gratitude, apparently, for their help in Fukushima), they called Yume (in our opinion, Dream). But how GDP calls it at home is not known.


          so ... not to see his dream for them ... I have nothing against the Japanese. on the contrary, as if I always wanted to learn more and learn from them. there are paintings and books in the house. the people are smart and hardworking. but ... cruel.
    9. Finches
      Finches 14 December 2016 09: 44
      +3
      Stop panic-Putin will not give anything! I think that this quote by Abe is also a stuffing! If he, as an official in Japan, would say such an thing to official Patrushev at an official meeting, he would have been forced to make hara-kiri in Tokyo - because, after that, there could be no compromise at all!
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 14 December 2016 09: 52
        +4
        Quote: Finches
        Stop panic-Putin will not give anything! I think that this quote by Abe is also a stuffing! If he, as an official in Japan, would say such an thing to official Patrushev at an official meeting, he would have been forced to make hara-kiri in Tokyo - because, after that, there could be no compromise at all!


        so are you a bastard for compromising with them? angry just kidding. drinks
        1. Finches
          Finches 14 December 2016 10: 05
          +2
          drinks

          All who have products from Japan are hirelings of samurai who secretly dream of selling islands for lower prices for service ... laughing
          1. vorobey
            vorobey 14 December 2016 10: 19
            +5
            Quote: Finches
            drinks

            All who have products from Japan are hirelings of samurai who secretly dream of selling islands for lower prices for service ... laughing


            contempt for owners of Toyota and Nissan ... fuuuuuuu laughing
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 14 December 2016 11: 10
              +1
              Quote: vorobey
              contempt for owners of Toyota and Nissan ... fuuuuuuu

              I have a Mazda tongue
              1. vorobey
                vorobey 14 December 2016 16: 29
                +4
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Quote: vorobey
                contempt for owners of Toyota and Nissan ... fuuuuuuu

                I have a Mazda tongue


                and you don’t worry about Mazda ... laughing
            2. Andrey Yuryevich
              Andrey Yuryevich 14 December 2016 11: 16
              +3
              Quote: vorobey
              Quote: Finches
              drinks

              All who have products from Japan are hirelings of samurai who secretly dream of selling islands for lower prices for service ... laughing


              contempt for owners of Toyota and Nissan ... fuuuuuuu laughing

              "GAZilla" is Foreva! drinks
              1. your1970
                your1970 14 December 2016 11: 48
                0
                Lada X-Ray repeat Nissan engine is already a rarity repeat
            3. gispanec
              gispanec 14 December 2016 11: 56
              0
              Quote: vorobey
              contempt for owners of Toyota and Nissan ... fuuuuuuu

              according to your logic, respect only to frets, UAZs, Kia, Hand and Chinese cars ??? wassat
              1. vorobey
                vorobey 14 December 2016 16: 31
                +3
                Quote: gispanec
                Quote: vorobey
                contempt for owners of Toyota and Nissan ... fuuuuuuu

                according to your logic, respect only to frets, UAZs, Kia, Hand and Chinese cars ??? wassat


                I don’t have logic ... look what is happening in the world .. what logic .. laughing continuous clinic ..
                1. your1970
                  your1970 14 December 2016 19: 13
                  0
                  and then I'm somewhere Lada with a Nissan engine ....
          2. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 14 December 2016 11: 10
            +1
            Quote: Finches
            All who have products from Japan - hirelings of samurai

            Fiiiiii
            Quote: Finches
            secretly dreaming of selling islands for lower service prices ..

            In exchange for the Kuril Islands, we dream of getting Honshu, there are Toitovskiye Zavody. We smoked for them, they give us Honshu-pure exchange
            1. Finches
              Finches 14 December 2016 11: 16
              +3
              Then why change the little things? Give them the Kuril Islands, but at the same time include Japan as a whole, in the Far Eastern Federal District of Russia as a republic or territory! The Japanese calm down - their islands and we are good ... laughing
      2. DMoroz
        DMoroz 14 December 2016 10: 09
        0
        And this is not Abe
        such a position was expressed by Secretary of the National Security Council of Japan Sotaro Yati during his visit to Moscow in November
        1. Finches
          Finches 14 December 2016 10: 13
          +1
          I, narrow-eyed, I do not distinguish between them ... laughing hi
      3. Gray brother
        Gray brother 14 December 2016 12: 03
        +2
        Quote: Finches
        I think that this quote by Abe is also a stuffing!

        This is not his quote, but some trait from the National Security Council of Japan, moreover, the November one and they brought it into the light just now is not casual.
        The islands are just an excuse for rapprochement between the two countries, nobody is going to give anything to anyone, the Americans don’t need it, now they are trying to swing public opinion. Well, along with the Russian kvass patriots against Putin to push up.
        And they succeed in order to understand this, just read the comments on the VO. hi
        1. Finches
          Finches 14 December 2016 12: 08
          +1
          You can agree with you - at least it worked for VO! hi
          1. Gray brother
            Gray brother 14 December 2016 12: 28
            +2
            Quote: Finches
            You can agree with you - at least it worked for VO!

            I think in Japan itself it will also work, any more or less thinking person will say: "What the hell is this Abe rubbing against us? How will the Russians give us the islands after this?"
            So this is also a stone in his garden too - in one fell swoop of seven beatings.
            I just wrote the day before yesterday:
            Japanese territorial problems (I especially want to note that it is Japanese, and not Russian) that impede the development of interstate relations.
            And this moment needs to be circumvented somehow - both sides understand this and therefore Putin publicly made it clear that some kind of dialogue is possible, without any specifics, and Abe pretended to believe and is now forcing this topic in his Nippon so that their parliament sticks to him I did not put in wheels.

            Well, we’ve already inserted it, operatively. smile
        2. Patriotam Hurray
          Patriotam Hurray 14 December 2016 18: 11
          +1
          Finally, I came to a comment that fully reflects my opinion :)
          Gray brother, thanks!
          As the Romans said (those ancients, not these ... noneshnie) - "Who benefits?"
          Who benefits from this stupid stuffing in the media? Correctly. Overseas partners.
    10. the most important
      the most important 14 December 2016 09: 56
      +8
      Quote: Ihrek
      If Putin gives at least one island, then the people will not understand.

      I agree with you. But Dimin gave Norway a huge piece of the sea along with an oil and gas field. Remember how deputies slobbered on all TV channels, proving that this is a brilliant solution? Personally, I remember. And the people also did not understand why it was suddenly such generosity at the state expense. And he sits and does not blow in his mustache .... reformer carrotkin ..
      1. Green trumpet
        Green trumpet 14 December 2016 17: 09
        0
        This would never have been allowed in the Union. For this, anyone would have a "tower".
        1. your1970
          your1970 14 December 2016 19: 25
          +1
          This would never have been allowed in the Union. For this, anyone would have a "tower".-dadada, the tower would surely shine, Kosygin, for example, for some reason I really found him alive (probably the tower was conditionally given)

          "10 September 1969 years, it was ordered to cease fire, apparently, to create a favorable background for the negotiations that began the next day at the Beijing airport. Immediately, the Damansky and Kirkinsky Islands occupied the Chinese armed forces.

          on September 11 in Pekin Chairman of the Council of Ministers of the USSR A.N. Kosygin, returning from the funeral of Ho Chi Minh, and Prime Minister of the State Council of the People's Republic of China Zhou Enlai agreed about the cessation of hostile actions and the fact that the troops remain in occupied positions. It actually meant Daman transmission to China."
    11. volot-voin
      volot-voin 14 December 2016 09: 59
      +4
      Quote: Ihrek
      If Putin gives at least one island, then the people will not understand.
      In any case, he won’t understand whether the US base will be there or not. The point was set after the end of the 2nd World War. Honestly, I do not understand the sale of shares of Rosneft, the public domain, abroad.
      1. Green trumpet
        Green trumpet 14 December 2016 17: 17
        +1
        There is nothing to understand. There is no money due to the sanctions that have hit the country very hard. We started privatization 2.0, which is a betrayal in itself. I read the comments on VO and understand that many simply do not want to believe that everything in the country is so "bad", and therefore they are trying to cling to at least something positive and good that our president and our government have done. And I understand them, because it is unbearable to live without hope for the future. for better. Himself like that.
    12. AlexTires
      AlexTires 14 December 2016 10: 07
      +7
      It seems to me that the question is not worth transferring or not. The question is under what plausible pretext to do this and how to present it to the people in the form of another political victory of our diplomacy.
    13. Uncle Murzik
      Uncle Murzik 14 December 2016 10: 42
      +2
      All territorial issues must be resolved at the all-Russian referendum! wassat
      1. Rom14
        Rom14 14 December 2016 12: 11
        0
        Buttons at the CIA ...
      2. Green trumpet
        Green trumpet 14 December 2016 17: 21
        +2
        All territorial issues must be resolved at the all-Russian referendum!

        Exactly! Nobody even asked us, because the authorities most likely do not consider us to be people. Chubais said that we first do, and then in fact declare. No discussion.
    14. sa-ag
      sa-ag 14 December 2016 10: 53
      +5
      Quote: Ihrek
      When I talk about the people, I mean the real patriots of my country
      And when did Medvedev give Norway a section of the Barents Sea, did the real patriots understand this? It's all about how to present these patriots on TV
      1. Ihrek
        Ihrek 14 December 2016 10: 56
        +2
        Medvedev did many wrong things in 4 years, unfortunately he continues to do this in a different capacity, thank God a level lower.
      2. Green trumpet
        Green trumpet 14 December 2016 17: 25
        +2
        And you turn off the TV or throw it to x..ram! I no longer watch it for eight years. The Internet is more than enough.
    15. Vasiliev Yu
      Vasiliev Yu 14 December 2016 10: 55
      +7
      As children. Well, for example, I remember the Mir space station - the drowned one, the abandoned bases in Cuba, Vietnam, pi ... the pain about UNREDING the penston age, and something else. And what, government managers because I remember this, conscience torments at night, they cannot sleep, atone for their sins in churches?
    16. Bearhug
      Bearhug 14 December 2016 11: 53
      +3
      By the way, yes, my grandfather after Berlin went to the eastern front and drenched the Japs, to hell with them, not the islands
    17. Rom14
      Rom14 14 December 2016 12: 09
      +1
      Do not tell, the people of the USSR gave ....
    18. Oden280
      Oden280 14 December 2016 14: 47
      +1
      I do not like that the possibility of transferring the islands began to exaggerate at the highest level. All this ju-ju is not casual. With the Japanese, give them a finger, they already want to give up their whole hand.
      1. Green trumpet
        Green trumpet 14 December 2016 17: 29
        +2
        Public opinion is being prepared. They want us to accept it. This proves once again that our entire government is "potential traitors." I am not calling for anything, but I can’t even imagine what to do and how to change the situation.
    19. Green trumpet
      Green trumpet 14 December 2016 16: 08
      +2
      If Putin gives at least one island, then the people will not understand.

      In this case, for me personally, he will no longer be the president of Russia, and nothing more than a traitor to the Russian people. And then everything will fall into place and it will be clear why Medvedev periodically visits Israel and meets with high-ranking rabbis or receives them in Russia. Or why there are Jews in almost all key positions in the Russian government, and they are adopting "catastrophic" laws aimed at the collapse of the country. And why EVERYTHING is being done to destroy the Russian people. In this case, it will become clear that the president, not to mention the government, is carrying out all Zion's instructions to destroy Russia from within. And if so, then everything that he allegedly did for Russia was nothing more than a hidden subversive activity aimed at destroying our state. Everything secret sooner or later becomes apparent. And the Russian people will certainly understand whether the president was a patriot, whether he was always a "disguised" enemy ...
      1. your1970
        your1970 14 December 2016 19: 30
        0
        Green trumpet
        it was exactly up to this comment that everything seemed normal, and here you are, as usual, the Jews are to blame for all the troubles of the Russian person ...
        there’s a disease like this — when the enemies seem to be around, when he himself isn’t scolded, and the enemies have done his pants ...
    20. Talgat
      Talgat 14 December 2016 18: 36
      0
      Quote: Ihrek
      If Putin gives at least one island, then the people will not understand.


      And also, what is interesting - and China will not understand

      T to initially expressed dissatisfaction with the possibility of transferring the islands - they wrote. which is connected with the possibilities for the fleets of the Russian Federation and China to go to the open ocean

      I read that the Chinese even created some kind of joint venture with Russia on these islands - in order to somehow "mark" the presence and express dissatisfaction
  2. bouncyhunter
    bouncyhunter 14 December 2016 09: 25
    +8
    And manure on them with a shovel, and not mattress bases on the southern Kuril Islands (as well as the southern Kuril Islands themselves)! am
  3. Dr. Stein
    Dr. Stein 14 December 2016 09: 26
    +1
    Amers decided to move closer to the Bastions)))
  4. jovanni
    jovanni 14 December 2016 09: 27
    +7
    "Tokyo does not rule out the appearance of American bases in the southern Kuriles"
    Well! At least in some respects we have the same opinion on the Kuril Islands as the Japanese, because we have not always ruled out the possibility of such a trick ...
  5. rasputin17
    rasputin17 14 December 2016 09: 27
    +1
    Quote: Ihrek
    If Putin gives at least one island, then pay him a price.

    So no volosts are in store! as one hero said !!
  6. PValery53
    PValery53 14 December 2016 09: 30
    +4
    Has it really begun to fuss over the transfer of the Kuril Islands ?! - It will be a sin and a crime! - The inland sea of ​​Russia will open (for plundering the sea resources) - Okhotsk, and the Americans will also "throw" their military bases there.
    1. Green trumpet
      Green trumpet 14 December 2016 17: 36
      +1
      The president has a choice. Either do "it" or not. If I do "finally" I will lose faith in him as an independent politician and as a patriot of my country. I have already lost to the government ... Of course, you can continue to indulge yourself with the illusion that everything is being done for our good and for the good of Russia. But somehow the picture does not fit with "reality".
  7. Evgen2x
    Evgen2x 14 December 2016 09: 31
    +1
    So out of nowhere ears grow, striped)) here they come up against it, yeah, let's give it up to this matter and Sakhalin, so that it would be more comfortable for America to place the base !! The hole from them is from the Klyuchevsky volcano and not the island.
    1. Squelcher
      Squelcher 14 December 2016 10: 06
      +3
      I will ask Sakhalin not to touch :). There are still plenty of bald hills here; the forest was cleaned up during the occupation.
      1. Evgen2x
        Evgen2x 15 December 2016 12: 33
        +1
        I apologize) And we will not give up the islands, hmm, I hope! In general, you can’t give it away, where you can’t throw it everywhere then you get the full q ..., there are the straits and the fishing zone, and the most important precedent, it turns out, God forbid, of course, that Russia can be torn off without any reason!
  8. alex-cn
    alex-cn 14 December 2016 09: 31
    +1
    What are they, absolutely ... of that ... After such a statement, who will let them go near the islands ...
  9. Philip Staros
    Philip Staros 14 December 2016 09: 31
    +2
    Yes they are fucked up! That's enough for Amer Okinawa! I’m Japs, if they are closely, have long been invited to the Jewish Autonomous Region, it seems - in general, to where the tundra and the bears are. There is not crowded.
    1. Samarin
      Samarin 14 December 2016 11: 20
      +1
      Quote: Philip Staros
      Japs, if they are closely, have long been invited to the Jewish Autonomous Region, it seems - in general, where tundra and bears are. There is not crowded.

      Isn't it crowded? There, the Chinese were given land. Type for rent.
    2. your1970
      your1970 14 December 2016 19: 35
      +1
      Philip Staros
      "The Jewish Autonomous Region, it seems, is generally where the tundra and the bears are"-the country in geography has reached the pen, there might be bears there, but the tundra in 2000 (!!!!!) km from Birobidzhan ...

      Everything for an adult has become in after the elimination of the minuses ....
  10. rasputin17
    rasputin17 14 December 2016 09: 34
    +1
    The Japanese will not give up their master’s forwarding and the confrontation in this region will continue to develop embracing and involving all new participants! Many are now happy that the new Trump will be more practical and reasonable, but this is all a huge mistake! Some made a batch in the Middle East, and this administration will increase tension in the Pacific!
  11. BOB044
    BOB044 14 December 2016 09: 34
    0
    Media: Tokyo does not exclude the appearance of American bases on the southern Kuriles
    And who would doubt that the mattress-beds will fit in there. Putin, as Tsar Peter the Great, will not give up an inch of Russian land. So the mattress-beds will have to use the bases that they already have in Japan.
  12. zloybond
    zloybond 14 December 2016 09: 36
    +4
    Japan is a US-occupied country, they live and act in the interests of the invaders. So they do not need islands, but for US military bases. What can I talk about?
  13. kaschey
    kaschey 14 December 2016 09: 39
    +1
    Good people are Japanese. But they have one not very good feature, they like it either of their own free will, or of visiting someone else’s neighbors with far-reaching consequences. Can the vector of visits be changed, but .....?
  14. Idunavs
    Idunavs 14 December 2016 09: 40
    +1
    “You have raised the question that economic activity can develop on the islands (southern Kuriles), which Japan will exercise sovereignty over. If this is the case from the first step, then the second step is not needed. Because the question can be considered closed. Because we did not agree on this, ”the President of the Russian Federation noted.
    The GDP clearly said that the issue of transferring the islands to the sovereignty of Japan is not discussed. Even if Yeltsin didn’t give, then GDP will definitely not give up.
    1. Holoy
      Holoy 14 December 2016 09: 43
      +2
      Og ... they gave China ...
  15. Holoy
    Holoy 14 December 2016 09: 42
    +5
    Putin should not give away any territory behind the back of the people! For this, there is only a referendum!
    1. excomandante
      excomandante 14 December 2016 09: 53
      +4
      And before, when "leveling the border" with China, it stopped him ?! He gave and will give if he wishes. You can't demonstrate such naivety ...
      1. Holoy
        Holoy 14 December 2016 09: 59
        +3
        I am not naive ... I wrote how it should be. I do not have to decide for everyone ...
        1. Uncle Murzik
          Uncle Murzik 14 December 2016 10: 45
          0
          Kholuay agree! There are no guarantees that the second Yeltsin struggle will not come! smile
      2. 1536
        1536 14 December 2016 10: 13
        +6
        In my opinion, the islands given to China are of no particular strategic value, and their transfer does not bring about a change in the geopolitical situation in the region. In addition, the Chinese have not deployed American military bases on them, and are not going to deploy them, our submarines do not go by there either, and there is no two-hundred-mile exclusion zone. Such things cannot be compared. This "apple" distortion of facts and events must be stopped, as the export of Polish apples was stopped, and they are fighting against smuggling.
        1. mamuka
          mamuka 14 December 2016 14: 49
          0
          it used to be written here that our fortified area was on one of the islands, our Air Force planes took off above the second, and the fact itself says a lot. clarification is required on the people of bonuses that were received for the islands, otherwise the image will fall below the plinth
        2. Green trumpet
          Green trumpet 14 December 2016 17: 42
          +1
          In my opinion, the islands surrendered to China have no particular strategic value

          The fact that the islands given to China as about. Tarabarov's are of no particular strategic value, only a "shameless" dilettante can say!
  16. Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 14 December 2016 09: 44
    +3
    Citizens moderators, what is this white rag with a clown ball hanging on the article?
    1. rasputin17
      rasputin17 14 December 2016 10: 11
      +1
      Quote: mordvin xnumx
      Citizens moderators, what is this white rag with a clown ball hanging on the article?

      It's like sticking a trident on a tricolor background !!! belay
  17. Obolensky
    Obolensky 14 December 2016 09: 44
    +2
    There is nothing to talk about with the Japanese. All this reasoning leads nowhere. To be honest, I am even opposed to "jointly" using the islands for economic development. There is nothing for the Japanese to do there, even in this case, for immediately American ears will appear there. And it is quite possible that the pressure will begin, and there and in general we will be "pushed". So there is no need for the presence of the Japanese. Absolutely. As the States like to say about their national interests and security, so we must declare. Is always. Everyone. And everywhere.
    1. Green trumpet
      Green trumpet 14 December 2016 17: 45
      +2
      To be honest, I am even opposed to "jointly" using the islands for economic development

      I’m even against ... Yes, it’s not against ... THIS IS A CRIME OF THE STATE SCALE!
  18. Ihrek
    Ihrek 14 December 2016 09: 47
    +1
    Quote: _Vladislav_
    I think Putin understands this better than you.

    I am pretty sure about that.
    But my confidence unfortunately failed when Medvedev surrendered Libya, contrary to the interests of our country.
    1. Green trumpet
      Green trumpet 14 December 2016 17: 47
      +2
      Medvedev, Dvorkovich, Siluanov, Gref, Khristenko and hundreds of "others" are all links in one "western" liberal chain.
  19. LVMI1980
    LVMI1980 14 December 2016 09: 47
    0
    Hiroshima, Nagosaki ... Tokyo? repeat
  20. Serzh_R
    Serzh_R 14 December 2016 09: 50
    0
    Media: Tokyo does not exclude the appearance of American bases on the southern Kuriles


    Thought the Japanese wiser bully .
  21. pussamussa
    pussamussa 14 December 2016 09: 51
    +1
    Tokyo doesn’t exclude .............. The US bases in the Kuril Islands ... ... what isn’t in the Moscow region?
  22. nnm
    nnm 14 December 2016 09: 51
    +3
    What kind of kindergarten? !!!! "place the bases. do not place ..." How many promises have already been made that were given today, but tomorrow they were simply forgotten about ...
    You didn’t attach these islands to Russia, and it’s not for you to give!
  23. excomandante
    excomandante 14 December 2016 09: 52
    +7
    Let's face it, Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Medvedev, and Putin ("leveling the border" with the PRC) generously gave foreigners land, waters, sea shelf, so it's not surprising if "friend Abe" is gifted with another island. I really hope to be wrong.
    1. Green trumpet
      Green trumpet 14 December 2016 17: 53
      0
      I really don't want to hope for it, but most likely it will be so. The islands will be handed over for joint use, which for me personally will be tantamount to their "treacherous" surrender to Japan, a country defeated in World War II. Soon we will find out everything and draw our own conclusions.
  24. pussamussa
    pussamussa 14 December 2016 09: 52
    +2
    Quote: Ihrek
    If Putin gives at least one island, then the people will not understand.

    Who cares will understand or not?
    1. Green trumpet
      Green trumpet 14 December 2016 17: 54
      0
      It excites us! All of us ... And you and me ...
  25. LPD17
    LPD17 14 December 2016 09: 53
    +2
    then they want to sell the islands ....
    and then trade begins on a precedent.
    "" Yes, you can't get enough of any volosts ".....
  26. Lyton
    Lyton 14 December 2016 09: 54
    +1
    From a dead donkey they will receive ears, not islands.
  27. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 14 December 2016 09: 55
    +1
    I hope that the statement by the Japanese side on the POSSIBILITY of the appearance of American bases on the South Kuril Islands will erase all thoughts of any weakening of Russia's position. The Straits! They will lock our Pacific Fleet in the Sea of ​​Okhotsk.
  28. Rostislav
    Rostislav 14 December 2016 09: 58
    +1
    I understand that GDP will not give up any islands to the Japs, but I don’t really understand why it won’t say it firmly, putting an end to this issue, and simply stopping talking on this topic.
    Instead, they are "pulling the cat by the tail," making the signing of a peace treaty a condition for the continuation of negotiations. Why did the absence of this treaty not hinder us for 75 years after the war, but now it suddenly turned out that its absence hinders the development of relations between Russia and Japan?
    Who will advise?
    1. kaluganew
      kaluganew 14 December 2016 10: 16
      0
      The story of the islands will be reminiscent of Turkey's accession to the European Union - for a long time, persistently and as a result never. But with a local flavor. The Japanese also need new markets and trade links. To do this in the conditions of "Russia's international isolation," as it is not good, Father Obama will not understand. So they came up with a great goal in the name of which the process of rapprochement, friendship and economic development is going on.
      If you read Putin’s interview with the Japanese newspaper http://kremlin.ru/events/president/news/53455 then everything becomes clear. The essence is very simple, you are 40-50 years of stable relations for us, and we will think about what can be done.
      You also need to understand that years are going on, and not the fact that future generations of the Japanese will need much, this whole story, but the region’s economy, will certainly come in handy.
    2. Siberian
      Siberian 14 December 2016 10: 32
      +3
      The absence of this agreement prevented until recently (now I don’t know - I am not interested) men of draft age getting a visa to visit Japan (since we are de jure at war).
      In 1956, there was talk about 2 islands, but there is no specifics and the word "return" is not written, but there is "transfer", which can be interpreted as partial control ... Nothing concrete was achieved, because at the same time ( even!) Japan had to expose the Americans. But they didn't. And there was still paper lying, not specific and not signed by anyone. The Japanese themselves did not take the first step.
      I remember that in the 80s, television bridges between countries were fashionable. When there was Moscow-Tokyo, for some reason the meaning went into a showdown, whose originally these islands were - who discovered them, inhabited, named, mastered, etc. But it really didn’t sound that now it doesn’t matter. The Japanese must know exactly as a result of which they lost them. Let them know and remember (grieve and worry) about the past, this will be a good lesson for the future.
      And in general, they have problems even without our islands: the sea is advancing and the water gradually (very slowly) comes on their islands and they "sink", so they have something to do in the near future.
    3. ZuuT
      ZuuT 14 December 2016 11: 16
      +2
      The answer is simple: Putin’s liberals urgently need Western resources and technologies in connection with the closure of access to cheap loans and the latest technologies in Europe and America .... Incidentally, China, which. By the way, Putin gave up - having medved the disputed border territories along Amur - he didn’t give Russia any financial resources or technology ... China gives the Philippines more, Iran doesn’t, and for us it doesn’t, for a number of reasons, the main one is also not need a strong Russia.
    4. Green trumpet
      Green trumpet 14 December 2016 17: 55
      0
      No peace treaty is needed. We have lived without him for so many years, we will live and more!
  29. AlexTires
    AlexTires 14 December 2016 10: 03
    +5
    Quote: Ihrek
    If Putin gives at least one island, then the people will not understand.

    that's it, then Putin will go down in the history of Russia not with the returned Crimea, but with these islands, and people will remember spitting about it, as at the mention of Yeltsin and Gorbachev ..
    1. Ihrek
      Ihrek 14 December 2016 10: 52
      0
      Exactly said good
  30. vvp2412
    vvp2412 14 December 2016 10: 08
    +1
    In general, you need to send these "partners" more often to a well-known address!
    You will receive ears from a dead donkey, not Kemsku parish!
  31. viktor.
    viktor. 14 December 2016 10: 11
    0
    which they with exceptional islands themselves are few stop you can grab a couple of two more what Yes, and Alaska will not crush wassat
  32. major124
    major124 14 December 2016 10: 11
    0
    To give at least one island of the Kuril ridge to the Japanese, you need to be an idiot-idealist .... "Idiocy is the strongest degree of congenital dementia"
  33. Oleg Monarchist
    Oleg Monarchist 14 December 2016 10: 13
    0
    But they may well give up if they nevertheless sign a peace treaty with them. And we must say thanks for this to the "native" Soviet government and personally to Nikita Sergeiich, who actually returned these two islands to Japan after the signing of the peace treaty.
    1. Green trumpet
      Green trumpet 14 December 2016 18: 00
      0
      This agreement does not mean anything. When the military-political situation in the world changes, the Japanese will break this treaty. The USSR also had a non-attack pact with Hitler ... What we all know after this happened.
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  35. evge-malyshev
    evge-malyshev 14 December 2016 10: 17
    0
    economic activity can develop on the islands (southern Kuril Islands), sovereignty over which Japan will exercise. If this is the case from the first step, then the second step is not necessary.

    No shikotans and iturups. They already have enough islands. Let them manage with their Kyushu * s, Honshu * s, Hokkaido * s, etc., etc.
  36. Not served
    Not served 14 December 2016 10: 18
    +1
    These islands are not needed by the Japanese for a hundred years, I assure you. Just in the media and in propaganda this issue is constantly heating up, leading to indignation of the population. Creating something like public opinion. Whoever is the best able to manipulate public opinion in their own interests is, of course, the United States. They need the islands, not Japan! Japan is just a colony, and I am clearly a masochistic bias.
    Why do we need US islands? To place the so-called missile defense elements there and for bases.
  37. pussamussa
    pussamussa 14 December 2016 10: 18
    0
    The drunk gave thirty percent of the country's territory, along with half of all resident citizens of the country. I gave it like a fur coat from a gentleman's shoulder. And the "grateful people" honored his memory with a giant drunk center.
    And then the noise is due to the islands.
    1. Patriotam Hurray
      Patriotam Hurray 14 December 2016 18: 24
      0
      Bravo!
      You dared to remind about a person who really has a "stigma in fluff" up to the knee.
      And then there is literally every second comment that "Putin is to blame." He poured these islands in the wrong place and in the wrong way, and aggressively seized, and treacherously surrenders them, and together with them all of Russia.
      In general, as usual: discussion of ANY article, certain commentators smoothly turn off on the topic "Treason! Our leaders sold us! Everything is bad!"
  38. 1536
    1536 14 December 2016 10: 19
    +4
    Well, we will let the Japanese into our Far East, they may even build some factories, create infrastructure, but who will work at these factories? The development of territories has always been an internal affair of the state to which these territories belong. So, we must understand that all this fuss with the "Programs for the development of the Far East", adopted recently, is nothing but idle talk and chatter? Where is the money? The Japanese? There is no need to go to this Japan at all. The Japanese are closed, arrogant people, a kind of Englishmen of the Far East, it is almost impossible to deal with them. Only the Americans after the atomic bombing evoke fear and respect in them. But the Americans treat the Japanese like a GDP to their dog - a good guard, you know, is in the Far East.
    1. Green trumpet
      Green trumpet 14 December 2016 18: 02
      0
      Americans treat everyone like that. They have no friends - they have "temporary partners" and vassals.
  39. CYBERNINJA
    CYBERNINJA 14 December 2016 10: 20
    0
    No wonder analysts warned about the forgery of a pig when signing a peace treaty by Japan
  40. Ivan Ivanov
    Ivan Ivanov 14 December 2016 10: 28
    +1
    On the one hand, there is a 56-year declaration that they want to rely on, on the other, Japan is a dependent country, how can one agree on US bases under these conditions? can cheat.
  41. Kenneth
    Kenneth 14 December 2016 10: 31
    0
    These two islands have a lethal location. The base there is only a fool to place. But Zhdapov still need to be squeezed to give guarantees
    1. pussamussa
      pussamussa 14 December 2016 11: 32
      0
      Gorbachev was also given guarantees that NATO would not spread east. NATO has long been at our borders.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 14 December 2016 11: 39
        +2
        This hoopoe along with Raisa and a couple of checks for a hundred thousand. Baku president of Ukraine thrust a pocket in a live broadcast. And he put Raisa’s brother in a psychiatric hospital. Type a wino.
  42. Hort
    Hort 14 December 2016 10: 31
    +1
    Patrushev asked whether "American bases will be deployed on the islands" in the event of the transfer of two islands to Japan, as stated in the Joint Declaration (1956). Yati replied, "There is such an opportunity,"
    instantly closed topic
  43. Galleon
    Galleon 14 December 2016 10: 32
    +3
    I think a Japanese newspaper has written about this before. Today - this is the news submitted on time in our media. So that they sit and not worry - no one is going to give anything either now or in the future. If I (sorry for the comparison, of course) were in Putin's place, I would talk about 2 islands only under one precondition - the withdrawal of all bases of the invaders from Japan and their non-return. Yet everyone understands ... - what to negotiate if the client is incapacitated, and his "executor" is a scoundrel. And you still need to look - if an international passage to the Sea of ​​Okhotsk opens through Shikotan and Habomai, our answer at all times is never. There are bioresources and an invisible hat for underwater strategists. And this is priceless bully
  44. sgazeev
    sgazeev 14 December 2016 10: 38
    +1
    Quote: vkl.47
    Well, the Japanese put an end to the negotiations. They can't see ostravov. Yes, and no one was going to give them anything. Where did the panic come from again? That a lot of droopers got divorced. Nothing was decided and already in the war, such "comrades" were shot in forehead

    The Japanese crow screamed in all its raven throat and ... the bitch broke off. Do not see the islands as their ears. drinks
  45. cheburator
    cheburator 14 December 2016 10: 43
    0
    Such issues must be resolved in a referendum!
    1. pussamussa
      pussamussa 14 December 2016 11: 26
      +4
      When was the last referendum and how did they fulfill the will of the people?
    2. Green trumpet
      Green trumpet 14 December 2016 18: 04
      0
      A referendum would be against. So we all were not called to him. This is not Crimea.
  46. Siberian
    Siberian 14 December 2016 10: 46
    +2
    Well, how can we give back our islands? We are so used to them! No, we won’t.
  47. ZuuT
    ZuuT 14 December 2016 10: 56
    0
    Quote: rotmistr60
    I advise you to listen to an interview with GDP for the Japanese media.

    And I would advise you to read what Japanese newspapers and their news agencies have been writing for the last 2 months - "first the islands, and then the current, help and chewing gum" ... At the same time, the differences between them consist of the current in one - to demand a lope - 2 islands or 4 ... That is, Japanese public opinion is monolithic and ingenuous - Russia obtained these territories illegally, and must return them ALL ... I would also like to remind everyone that in reality we are not talking about 2 or 4 islands - there are about 3 dozen of them (!) ... There is just such a tradition ... to talk about 2-4 islands ...
    1. Patriotam Hurray
      Patriotam Hurray 14 December 2016 18: 26
      0
      Do not read owls in the morning .... uh ... Japanese newspapers! (with)
  48. ZuuT
    ZuuT 14 December 2016 10: 58
    +1
    Quote: sgazeev
    Do not see the island as their ears.

    Naively, why would Putin go there if an agreement is not reached? MEANS IT IS ACHIEVED ...
    1. pussamussa
      pussamussa 14 December 2016 11: 28
      +2
      Perhaps you are right. And the rating will still be eighty-five percent.
      1. Green trumpet
        Green trumpet 14 December 2016 18: 06
        0
        The rating is for idiots. And for thinking people, not for "cattle" or "plebs", everything is perfectly clear.
      2. Patriotam Hurray
        Patriotam Hurray 14 December 2016 18: 28
        0
        100% everything has already been reached and stolen. And sold. And with the proceeds, the GDP built a summer house for himself near Gelendzhik. And once a summer residence, then the rating will rise to 86%. Infa is true, a reliable source whispered to me here. True, the Presidential Administration itself does not know about it.
  49. ZuuT
    ZuuT 14 December 2016 11: 03
    +1
    By the way. not one on television has ever raised the issue of islands in the last 3 months, although an officer was also preparing a treaty. their faces snooped back and forth .. Information, albeit deaf, but went .... and Bandera’s whole brain brought. everyone sneezing daily discussing ...
  50. Samarin
    Samarin 14 December 2016 11: 05
    0
    Quote: Ihrek
    If Putin gives at least one island, then the people will not understand.

    If Putin gives at least one island, they will not tell the people about it, and declare state secrets in the interests of the state.
    Or maybe they already gave what an interesting pun
    ... economic activity can develop on the islands (southern Kuril Islands), sovereignty over which will exercise japan. If this is the case from the first step, then the second step is not necessary. Because the question can be considered closed. Because we didn’t agree ”

    And how did you agree?
    Already agreed?
    1. Green trumpet
      Green trumpet 14 December 2016 18: 08
      0
      If Putin gives at least one island, they will not tell the people about it, and declare state secrets in the interests of the state.
      If Japanese businessmen appear on the islands, and we still someday find out about it, this will not be a secret. The fact of betrayal will be on the face.