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Automatic grenade launcher "Balkan" will be adopted

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In the near future, the Russian army will have to receive new weapons, which differ from the existing analogues with enhanced combat and technical characteristics. After a long process of development and refinement, as well as after several years of comprehensive testing for armaments, it is planned to adopt the newest domestic automatic grenade launcher "Balkan". As reported by the media, the appropriate order of the leadership of the military department should appear as early as next year.


About the early adoption of the products of the AGS-40 "Balkan" (GRAU index - 6Г27) December 9 reported "Rossiyskaya Gazeta". Information about existing plans was obtained by this edition from the press service of the research and production concern “Engineering Technologies”, which includes the organization-developer of a grenade launcher. In addition to information about the upcoming adoption of the concern, the manufacturer revealed some details of the latest work in the framework of the project "Balkan". According to official data, a new type of grenade launcher has already passed state tests, the results of which were recommended for use.

Completion of state tests allowed the customer and the manufacturer to begin a new phase of work. To date, the first production batch of automatic grenade launchers was manufactured, which were soon transferred to the army with the aim of starting operation. In the course of the latter, it is planned to gain some experience, which will allow to continue using the new weapons. According to the results of the current military operation, the issue of the adoption of weapons for armament will be finally resolved. The appearance of the relevant order is expected in the next 2017 year.


Grenade launcher "Balkan" on a regular machine and a container of ammunition. Photo of Wikimedia Commons


The new automatic grenade launcher AGS-40 "Balkan" is intended to replace existing products of its class, such as AGS-17 "Flame" and AGS-30. In the new project, some ideas and solutions were used to improve the basic technical and combat characteristics. The successful implementation of several important technical proposals allowed us to obtain a noticeable increase in the basic characteristics and, as a result, to achieve superiority over existing analogues of domestic production. The new “Balkan” differs from the grenade launchers available in the army, first of all, by the increased firing range and increased grenade power.

It should be noted that the current trial military operation and the expected adoption for service were expected a long time ago, but they are only happening now. For various reasons, the development of the Balkan project was seriously delayed in its time. The tests, the result of which was to be the adoption of weapons for service, were also not fast. As a result, the Russian armed forces will have to receive advanced weapons with improved parameters much later than they could. Nevertheless, the existing state of affairs can be a reason for optimism: despite all the difficulties, the new project has almost reached the start of full-fledged weapon exploitation in the army.

According to known data, the start of the project with the code "Balkan" was given in the nineties of the last century. The project was developed by employees of the Central Design and Research Bureau of Sports and Hunting Weapons (TsKIB SOO, Tula) V.N. Telesh, Yu.P. Galkin and Yu.V. Lebedev. The new grenade launcher was created on the basis of the experimental product TKB-0134 "Goat", created in the eighties. Due to the difficult economic situation in the country, the development of the Balkan project was seriously delayed, which did not allow for the quick completion of work and the rearmament of the army. In the future, the project was completed, with the last stages being carried out by the specialists of SNPP “Pribor” (now part of the Tekhmash concern). This organization is currently responsible for the supply of finished products.

The basis of the project AGS-40 / 6-27 "Balkan" were several basic ideas. Thus, the existing 30-mm grenade launchers AGS-17 and AGS-30 previously expressed claims regarding the lack of power of ammunition and a relatively short firing range. The new project proposed to improve these characteristics by using a shot of an enlarged caliber: 40 mm against the “old” 30 mm. In addition, it was decided to abandon the use of a separate liner, combining it with the projectile to be thrown, which allowed us to improve the weights of the entire complex.

The new ideas used in the Balkan project allowed, to a certain extent, to simplify the design of the grenade launcher in comparison with the previous systems of domestic development. Thus, the body of the 6-X27 grenade launcher consists of a barrel with a length of 400 mm, as well as a receiver. The main part of the latter has a tubular structure, and next to the breech bore is an enlarged casing of the system for supplying shots to the barrel. All the basic mechanisms of weapons are located inside the box and casing. In the back of the receiver placed handles fire control, equipped with a trigger. On the right surface of the weapon there is a swinging lever for reloading, connected to the main automation devices.

Inside the receiver grenade placed bolt group and the reciprocating spring. The weapon is equipped with a rotating bolt on which the movable drummer is mounted. The shot is made from the open shutter. For reloading weapons using the energy of powder gases acting on the drummer. Separate gas chambers and pistons, which are the standard for vapor-controlled automatics, are not used in the Balkan project.

Especially for the AGS-40 grenade launcher, an 40-mm 7P39 shot was developed. From the existing ammunition for automatic grenade launchers like VOG-17A / 7P36 (30x29 mm), a new type of shot differs in caliber increased to 40 mm, as well as a different design. To simplify the operation of weapons, as well as to improve some of the characteristics, it was decided to equip the new ammunition with a “departing” shell. The propellant charge is placed in a separate volume of ammunition, not separated from the projectile and remaining in its place during the shot.

Grenade 7P39 has a cylindrical body with a conical head, on which is placed the socket for the installation of the fuse. The main part of the body is given under the location of the explosive charge. In the tail part of the body there is a small non-detachable sleeve in which the propellant charge is located. The bottom of the sleeve has a central hole for installation of the cap. On the sides of it in the bottom there are four large windows for the release of powder gases, covered by bursting membranes.

The ammunition system uses loose metal tapes on 20 shots. The tape is fed into the receiver on the right, empty links are thrown to the left. The proposed supply of ammunition in special closures on two curb tapes. Before shooting, the tape is placed in a special round box, suspended from a grenade launcher.

Automatic grenade launcher "Balkan" will be adopted
7P39 shot in the section and its bottom part. Photo Modernfirearms.net


For use with the Balkan product, a tripod machine is proposed, which is a modified version of the SAG-17 machine for the AGS-17 grenade launcher. The most noticeable difference in the modified machine is the seat for the shooter mounted on the rear supports. Also used some other improvements. The tripod design provides horizontal and vertical guidance of the weapon, as well as fixation in the desired position.

The use of non-standard ammunition led to the formation of an unusual way of operating automation. Before the shot, the slide group is located inside the tubular receiver and is fixed by the sear. When you press the trigger, the bolt group is released and moves forward with the aid of a return spring. At the same time, the shutter produces filing of a shot into the flank of the barrel, after which it rotates around the longitudinal axis, performing locking. After locking the barrel, the slide frame and the drummer continue to move, which leads to hitting the primer of the shot and igniting the propellant charge in the sleeve.

Powder gases push the 7P39 shot through the barrel and send it in the direction of the target. Gases expire from the sleeve through the corresponding holes in the bottom. Due to this, the integrated sleeve flies out of the barrel together with a grenade, greatly simplifying the process of preparing for a new shot. Simultaneously, the powder gases act on the drummer, performing the functions of the gas piston. Under the pressure of gases, he begins to go back, moving the bolt carrier. The latter interacts with the bolt and turns it, unlocking the barrel. After that, the entire slide group rolls back and compresses the return spring, which allows you to make a new shot.

Used automation allows you to fire with the rate of 400 shots per minute. 400-mm barrel (relative length 10 caliber) provides acceleration of ammunition to speed 240 m / s. The maximum firing range is declared at the level of 2500. The grenade launcher with a machine weighs 32 kg. Metal box with one tape on 20 garnet - 14 kg.

As already mentioned, for some time the development of the product "Balkan" was carried out by TsKIB SOO, but later the project was handed over to SNPP Pribor. It was this enterprise that completed the required work, provided testing, and also presented a new type of weapon to the general public and specialists. In 2008, the enterprise Pribor made the first batch of six automatic grenade launchers and a number of shots for them, intended for testing in the army. The following year, the official "premiere" of a grenade launcher was held, during which the development organization for the first time revealed detailed information about the new product.

During the tests, the expected advantages over the existing domestic automatic grenade launchers were confirmed. Increasing the grenade caliber from 30 to 40 mm gave the corresponding results. So, in the detachable sleeve of ammunition of the VOG-17 family there is a powder charge, which gives the initial speed of a grenade to only 185 m / s. Due to this, the maximum firing range is 1700 m. The larger volume of the “flying away” sleeve of the 7P39 product gave an increase in the initial speed to 240 m / s and a range to 2,5 km using a barrel of similar length. Also, an enlarged caliber grenade has a large explosive charge. A two-fold increase in the effectiveness of hitting targets in comparison with AGS-17 and AGS-30.

Over the past few years, industry and the military department have jointly carried out the necessary tests of prospective weapons, as well as engaged in their improvement. All this work took a lot of time, but the required results were still achieved. According to recent reports, the AGS-40 / 6-X27 “Balkan” grenade launcher successfully passed state tests and was recommended for adoption. Now the new weapon will have to go through military operation, after which we should expect the appearance of an order for its official adoption. This event is scheduled for the next 2017 year.

About two decades have passed from the beginning of the creation of the automatic Balkan grenade launcher to the moment of its adoption for service. The project of a new weapon was launched at an inappropriate time, which negatively affected the timing of its development and refinement. However, in the future, the situation changed and the opportunity arose to complete all the necessary work. Thus, a new weapon with enhanced characteristics will soon be officially put into service, albeit with great delay.


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  1. Ruslan
    Ruslan 14 December 2016 06: 41
    +9
    32 kg grenade launcher and 14 kg ammunition ... poor infantry
    1. Alex_59
      Alex_59 14 December 2016 07: 59
      12
      Quote: ruslan
      32 kg grenade launcher and 14 kg ammunition ... poor infantry

      In, in, this thought also came. It seems that the AGS-30 significantly reduced the weight compared to the AGS-17, and now they’ve come back ... The seat on the machine ... It seems to me that the infantry will tear off this seat first and throw it out so that it does not drag it over the hump.
      1. bouncyhunter
        bouncyhunter 14 December 2016 08: 46
        13
        To date, the first production batch of automatic grenade launchers has been manufactured, which were soon transferred to the army in order to begin operation.

        To Syria would have him - let them test on barmaley! soldier
        1. blizart
          blizart 14 December 2016 09: 54
          0
          I'm with the Balkan! Let's have fun ?!
      2. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 14 December 2016 12: 39
        +8
        Oh, why don’t you follow the advice of Kozma Prutkov-to see the root ?! Sikoko, one year old, this gun was all developed, refined? ...... And then it will be launched into production .... delivered to the troops ... Yes, by this time, exoskeletons will be put into service! So .... not cccy infantry! Bullshit war-most importantly, maneuvers!
      3. lysyj bob
        lysyj bob 14 December 2016 15: 08
        +3
        Quote: Alex_59
        The seat on the machine ... It seems to me that the infantry will tear off this seat first and throw it out so as not to drag it on the hump


        The infantry has tried many things to reduce the 17th toss during firing, and sitting on the bench will reduce this problem much. Another would be to attach folding "pedals" to the front pillar.
        But how, interestingly, the shooter will manipulate with shellless ammunition in case of misfire?
        1. cast iron
          cast iron 14 December 2016 22: 51
          +2
          The shutter will distort and the new PSU will drive into the chamber. Business then.
          1. Niccola Mack
            Niccola Mack 15 December 2016 13: 06
            0
            A stuck PSU where to go?
            He still needs to be pulled out - apparently he doesn’t have a hook.
            1. wasjasibirjac
              wasjasibirjac 15 December 2016 16: 23
              +1
              on the diagram, a groove in the bottom of the sleeve.
              1. Niccola Mack
                Niccola Mack 15 December 2016 16: 33
                0
                on the diagram, a groove in the bottom of the sleeve.

                This is clearly visible - but why? If the liner flies out with the projectile - under normal conditions, nothing should cling (ejector hook) to the groove should not.
                But if for a freelance release - there should be a separate system that drives the additional ejector.
                1. cast iron
                  cast iron 16 December 2016 18: 55
                  +1
                  I am 100% sure that the Russian gunsmiths worked out a variant of actions with a delay in the chamber in the chamber. Even not, I’m 500% sure that the instructions have a clear and short algorithm of actions.
            2. 4thParasinok
              4thParasinok 25 December 2016 17: 46
              0
              Quote: Nikkola Mac
              He still needs to be pulled out - apparently he doesn’t have a hook.

              read the article, there’s a picture of a grenade, as you look, you’ll immediately find out the answer.
      4. cast iron
        cast iron 14 December 2016 22: 52
        +1
        AGS-17 does not weigh much easier
        1. avdkrd
          avdkrd 15 December 2016 00: 59
          +2
          Quote: cast iron
          AGS-17 does not weigh much easier


          AGS-17 -31kg
          AGS-30 - 16kg
          AGS-40 (Balkan) -32kg
          The weight of its western counterparts (under 40 mm) varies from 33,1 kg for the Vektor Y3 AGL, to 65,9 for the Daewoo Precision Industries K4, while all other manufacturers, including Kaklov, use a unitary NATO 40x53mm.
          1. acrshooter
            acrshooter 15 December 2016 17: 00
            0
            You are a little wrong ...
            AGS-17 - 18 (grenade launcher body) / 31kg with a machine tool and sight without a "snail" with 30 shells
            AGS-30 - 16,5kg (grenade launcher body)
            Sincerely, Arthur
            1. avdkrd
              avdkrd 16 December 2016 11: 04
              0
              Quote: acrshooter
              You are a little wrong ...

              AGS-30
              Weight, kg: 16 (grenade launcher body with a machine)
              13,7 (weight of a box with 30 shots) https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%90%D0%93%D0%A1-
              30
              and another link to the manufacturer http://www.kbptula.ru/ru/razrabotki-kbp/strelkovo
              -pushechnoe-i-granatometnoe-vooruzhenie / granatome
              ty / ags-30
              1. acrshooter
                acrshooter 16 December 2016 15: 24
                0
                I confess hi , was wrong, because found confirmation of your words.

                "30-mm 6S9 grenade launcher with an automatic grenade launcher on the AGS-30 Atlant machine (6G25, TKB-722K)

                Adopted: Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation - since 1996, Ministry of Justice of the Russian Federation - since 2000, Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation - since 2002.
                Developer - KBP. Designers - V. Gryazev, V. Skirdin, Yu. Rostovtsev, G. Nikolaev.
                Manufacturer - Degtyarev Plant (Kovrov).

                Calculation of a grenade launcher - 2 people.
                Composition - AGS-30 (6G26) grenade launcher, SAG-30 (6T17) machine, PAG-17-30 sight, 1PN102 night sight, VOG-30 (7P36) shot.
                Ammunition - VOG-30 (7P36), as well as VOG-17 (7P9) and VOG-17M (7P9M), VUS-17 (7P9U).
                The capacity of the box with shots is a tape for 30 shots. Wearable ammunition - 90 rounds.
                Aim range - 1700 m.
                Fire mode - continuous.
                Rate of fire - 395-425 rds / min.
                Weight:
                - grenade launcher with tape on the machine (6G25) - 31 kg.,
                - grenade launcher on the machine without an ammunition box and sight - 16,5 kg.,
                - the body of a grenade launcher (6G26) - 10,5 kg.,
                - machine (6T17) - 6 kg.,
                - boxes with shots - 14,5 kg (13,7 kg).
                Dimensions: length - 1165 mm, width and height - 490x735 mm.

                The small mass of the grenade launcher complex (half that of its analogue AGS-17) with significant ammunition allows you to reduce maintenance crew. Small dimensions of the complex, design features of the machine provide the ability to quickly change the firing position, firing from window openings and unprepared positions.
                The grenade launcher uses serial shots VOG-17M, VOG-30.

                Export - India.

                Information sources:
                - Small arms and melee weapons. "Military parade". Moscow. 2005 year
                - A. Karpenko. Automatic grenade launchers are weapons of the 2007th century. M .: LLC "Publishing house" Zeikhgauz ", XNUMX"
                Honestly stole from here:
                russianarms.ru/forum/index.php?topic=1408.0
                Sincerely, Arthur.
                PS It turns out they called Atlant ...
                PPS And nevertheless, I can not believe that the body weight of the grenade launcher was cut to 10,5 kg. Apparently you need to change the nickname to Foma_Insurator.
      5. Serega86
        Serega86 4 January 2017 19: 35
        0
        Yes, I myself "got" the displacement of the vertebrae from AGS-17, and I think the seat is better to sit down than sandbags to lay down the truth, it will be clearly inconvenient to aim
    2. vkl.47
      vkl.47 14 December 2016 08: 13
      +4
      Perhaps the ego will be installed on the armored cars. And if you miss it, it’s only the two apparently. The third ammunition carries. But after all, the range is up to 2500. This is very decent
    3. would
      would 14 December 2016 09: 13
      13
      Grenade launcher with a machine gun and ammunition. As we know, at least the machine is separated from the body of the grenade launcher (and it can be disassembled, this is likely), the BC also carries separately. If you scatter for example three, it turns out quite normal and uplifting. No one grenade launcher alone, assembled, with ammunition is not worn, it is carried by several people, that is, the calculation.
      1. the most important
        the most important 14 December 2016 11: 39
        +1
        Quote: rait
        No one grenade launcher alone, assembled, with ammunition is not worn, it is carried by several people, that is, the calculation.

        And what prevents to put everything in a bag on wheels and not drag on yourself? Here I have at home a bag with a cargo capacity of 80 kg. Very comfortable, few kilometers on foot and no fatigue
        1. Großer feldherr
          Großer feldherr 14 December 2016 14: 35
          10
          In the mountains, forests and swamps, you also drag on wheels?
          And on a more even and solid surface, this is excellent and motor vehicles can handle it.
        2. AUL
          AUL 14 December 2016 16: 17
          +1
          And what prevents to put everything in a bag on wheels and not drag on yourself?
          It would be more logical to attach the folding wheels to the machine. It’s easier to roll to a position than to drag on a navel, and there he threw back the wheels (as on Zushka), and hang on, you bastards!
      2. SOLGA
        SOLGA 14 December 2016 11: 50
        0
        captain obvious
    4. RASKAT
      RASKAT 14 December 2016 11: 38
      +6
      The sample is very worthy, but the same AGS-30 is almost absent in the troops, everything seems to go to the warehouses. Interestingly, the new AGS-40 will not be in a hurry to recruit units?
      32 kg grenade launcher and 14 kg ammunition ... poor infantry

      Now, it seems, they are moving away from the fact that infantry on the hump dragged collective weapons. Maybe they’ll come up with some kind of transport, an ATV or an UAZ.
      1. cast iron
        cast iron 14 December 2016 22: 53
        +4
        In the 1940s, infantry in the mountains of the Caucasus dragged Maxim's machine gun on a hump, which weighed more than the AGS-40.
    5. SOLGA
      SOLGA 14 December 2016 11: 54
      +1
      well before, she somehow coped, with ags-17
    6. Großer feldherr
      Großer feldherr 14 December 2016 14: 29
      +8
      Quote: ruslan
      32 kg grenade launcher and 14 kg ammunition ... poor infantry

      And what's the problem then?
      Three in the calculation, one drags the body, the second tripod, the third snail + how many grenades can take, all this easily fits into the fighter’s classic payload of 40 kg (armor, water, food, AK + BC, gear), which allows you to march on 30 km And you don’t have to cockroach, the 21st century, with all kinds of technology shaft.
  2. alex-cn
    alex-cn 14 December 2016 06: 45
    0
    The weapon is good. But it may turn out that its niche in the arms system does not overlap with the AGS-30 - after all, it is twice as heavy, and the ammunition weighs decently. But the range pleases ...
    1. mr.redpartizan
      mr.redpartizan 14 December 2016 08: 01
      +2
      Anyway, it is lighter than many Western samples of the Mk.19 type.
    2. SOLGA
      SOLGA 14 December 2016 11: 56
      +1
      AGS-30, in general, was adopted?
    3. cast iron
      cast iron 14 December 2016 22: 55
      0
      AGS-30 in my opinion is a journalistic myth. It is hard to imagine how the original AGS-17 was facilitated almost 2 times without changing either the materials or the design.
      1. avdkrd
        avdkrd 15 December 2016 01: 03
        0
        Quote: cast iron
        AGS-30 in my opinion is a journalistic myth. It is hard to imagine how the original AGS-17 was facilitated almost 2 times without changing either the materials or the design.

        It seems like not a myth, but I really can’t understand how to shoot it. The shot is the same, but there is no seat and the weight is like a toy ...
  3. mr.redpartizan
    mr.redpartizan 14 December 2016 08: 00
    +4
    A very good alternative to light mortars (50-60 mm). AGS-17 has been over 40 years old, and AGS-30 has not yet solved the main drawback of its predecessor - insufficient ammunition capacity (all competitors have a 40 mm caliber).
    1. alex-cn
      alex-cn 14 December 2016 09: 50
      0
      the Americans held the 25 mm hm-307 for a long time in my opinion, but maybe I'm mistaken with the brand ...
      1. mr.redpartizan
        mr.redpartizan 15 December 2016 01: 18
        +1
        The XM-307/312 did not go into production because of its low rate of fire (250 rpm) and very weak ammunition.
    2. avt
      avt 14 December 2016 10: 23
      0
      Quote: mr.redpartizan
      A very good alternative to light mortars (50-60 mm)

      Oh well . And what is not 82mm right away?
      Quote: mr.redpartizan
      insufficient ammunition power (all competitors have a 40 mm caliber).

      What is the next governor Makarov ordered to do "as they do." Then it turns out about
      Quote: mr.redpartizan
      insufficient ammunition

      compared with anything else, and instead of teaching the calculations of the possession of the weapons entrusted, they will start bridging by 50mm .. I would understand the introduction of a new model under ONE with grenade launchers. And so ...... well yes
      Quote: ruslan
      32 kg grenade launcher and 14 kg ammunition ... poor infantry

      request
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 14 December 2016 10: 42
        +7
        Quote: avt
        And so ...... well, yes
        Quote: ruslan
        32 kg grenade launcher and 14 kg ammunition ... poor infantry

        AGS-30- portable, AGS-40- portable.

        AGS-40 provides much more opportunities. And in terms of range, and in terms of the possibility of creating new ammunition, including with programmable fuse. The comparatively high weight of the grenade launcher platoons of battalions on the BMP / BTR is not a particular hindrance.

        Well, AGS-30 for those who wear them on foot.
        1. avt
          avt 14 December 2016 10: 57
          +1
          Quote: Spade
          AGS-40 - portable.

          But to be honest - you yourself believe that he will not become real
          Quote: Spade
          portable

          ??
          Quote: Spade
          . The comparatively high weight of the grenade launcher platoons of battalions on the BMP / BTR is not a particular hindrance.

          Well, you know my opinion on this topic - "Bakhchu" on the chassis and all the cases. bully
          Quote: Spade
          Well, AGS-30 for those who wear them on foot.

          I have no doubt, neither a gram, nor a millimeter that the Balkan will be
          Quote: Spade
          for those who wear them on foot.

          request so that
          Quote: avt
          poor infantry
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 14 December 2016 11: 01
            +4
            Come on, the picture is exactly the same in mortars. The "heavy" vehicles have a 120-mm "Sleigh", those who need to carry a mortar on their humps have an 82-mm "Tray".
            And it doesn’t cause any special problems.
            1. RASKAT
              RASKAT 14 December 2016 11: 46
              0
              Again, the author wrote that the grenade launcher weighs 32 kg. Surely he understands in half how the AGS-30 with a flick of the wrist. Well, as for the portability of armaments, I have never seen anything like this so that the infantry would carry something around somewhere, there is transport in each unit, or we are already starting to calculate the distance from the car to the trench. smile
            2. Alex_59
              Alex_59 14 December 2016 12: 14
              +2
              Quote: Spade
              those who need to carry a mortar on their hump - 82-mm "Tray".

              Duc there is calculated more to the people, and the AGS has two soldiers. If you go out into the mountains or through the forest, they and AGS-30 manage to turn over, because one snail on 30 grenades is very small. It is necessary either to advance a few more boxes to the position of the second number, or harness someone else. And AGS-40 in the form of a portable, let's say motorized rifle, but they also have a way out without equipment (swamp, forest, mountains), how will they trample it? Increase staffing? Well, let's say there will be three of them (not four, it's too much), one AGS drags, two - on the box: total 40 grenades. Only. Tin.
              1. beeper
                beeper 14 December 2016 18: 59
                +2
                Do grenade launchers, machine gunners, mortars go to combat separately, not as part of the unit to which they are assigned ... and there is no one to help them, "voluntarily-compulsorily", with the transfer of ammunition? winked
                1. Alex_59
                  Alex_59 14 December 2016 21: 00
                  +1
                  Quote: pishchak
                  Do grenade launchers, machine gunners, mortars go to combat separately, not as part of the unit to which they are assigned ... and there is no one to help them, "voluntarily-compulsorily", with the transfer of ammunition?

                  So it is. If you believe the veterans of Afghanistan, they did just that - each with a pair of grenades from BC AGS. But they also have their own burden on 30-35, because they don’t want to take too much.
        2. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 14 December 2016 11: 59
          +1
          Quote: Spade
          AGS-40 provides much more opportunities. And in terms of range, and in terms of the possibility of creating new ammunition, including with programmable fuse. The comparatively high weight of the grenade launcher platoons of battalions on the BMP / BTR is not a particular hindrance.

          It has long been necessary to divide automatic grenade launchers into heavy (portable) and light (portable).
          Quote: avt
          I would understand the introduction of a new sample under ONE with grenade launchers.

          It is especially tempting to unify with hand grenades. Caliber still would like 45 mm.
          1. demiurg
            demiurg 14 December 2016 14: 15
            0
            Even the usual grenade to the grenade launcher twists his arms. And with an increased charge, this is a disability shooter minimum.
            1. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 14 December 2016 14: 28
              0
              Quote: demiurg
              Even the usual grenade to the grenade launcher twists his arms. And with an increased charge, this is a disability shooter minimum.

              So what?
              1. demiurg
                demiurg 14 December 2016 14: 36
                +4
                Pick up the CPV. Hold the trigger.
                Just ask someone to film this. As another application for the Darwin Prize.
                1. IS-80_RVGK2
                  IS-80_RVGK2 14 December 2016 14: 41
                  0
                  Quote: demiurg
                  Pick up the CPV. Hold the trigger.
                  Just ask someone to film this. As another application for the Darwin Prize.

                  And besides any stupid thoughts, didn’t it come to your mind at all?
                  1. demiurg
                    demiurg 14 December 2016 14: 52
                    +5
                    Nope.
                    Why do you think the range of the grenade launcher is only 400 meters? You can also actively thrust a rocket-propelled grenade and peel at 600-800. It makes no sense. There will be no accuracy from the word at all. Because recoil is already at the limit of physical capabilities, it is impossible to produce an aimed shot.

                    If the video is where from the cliff they shoot from the hand. But this is window dressing. In reality, a simple waste of ammunition.

                    A grenade for AGS-17 or for the Balkan will break machine guns, there will be constant fractures and dislocations of the hands of the shooters. And I have no clever thoughts how to deal with this.
                    I will be pleased to hear your thoughts on this matter, I have repeatedly written here that I like to learn new things.
                    1. IS-80_RVGK2
                      IS-80_RVGK2 14 December 2016 15: 04
                      0
                      Quote: demiurg
                      A grenade for AGS-17 or for the Balkan will break machine guns

                      Why shoot a Balkan grenade from a grenade launcher? what
                      1. demiurg
                        demiurg 14 December 2016 15: 13
                        0
                        Wildly sorry :))
                        For some reason I thought that you had an idea to unify the shot of the Balkan, the under-barrel grenade launcher and the hand grenade :))
                        He was drunk, excited, did not notice. Excuse me. hi
                      2. IS-80_RVGK2
                        IS-80_RVGK2 14 December 2016 15: 16
                        0
                        Quote: demiurg
                        Wildly sorry :))
                        For some reason I thought that you had an idea to unify the shot of the Balkan, the under-barrel grenade launcher and the hand grenade :))
                        He was drunk, excited, did not notice. Excuse me.

                        And there is. The whole question is how to unify.
                    2. would
                      would 14 December 2016 18: 00
                      0
                      A grenade for AGS-17 or for the Balkan will break machine guns


                      It is worth noting that even ordinary grenade launchers break the machine. Not in one shot, but broken. Photo from here http://polarman.livejournal.com/24655.html

                    3. wasjasibirjac
                      wasjasibirjac 15 December 2016 16: 29
                      0
                      Quote: demiurg
                      the wound for the AGS-17 or for the Balkan will break the machines, there will be constant fractures and dislocations of the hands of the shooters. And I have no clever thoughts how to deal with this.

                      recoil damping systems. shot with the PTR in due time. and they weighed only 14-16 kg.
    3. Comrade Stalin
      Comrade Stalin 14 December 2016 11: 09
      +1
      Mortar is a mortar, and a grenade launcher is a grenade launcher. They should not be confused and considered that they can replace each other. The mortar is designed exclusively for mounted shooting at an angle of 45 degrees or more. He can’t shoot flat, let alone direct fire, like a grenade launcher. But the advantages of the mortar in its utmost simplicity, cheapness, reliability and low weight. For example, a 50-mm mortar weighs 12 kg, fires mines weighing 850 g, while a 40-mm grenade launcher of this article weighs 32 kg and shoots grenades weighing 430 g.
      But the 82-mm mortar weighs 42 kg, but shoots with 3,14 kg mines at a range of 3900 m, and thanks to the variable charge and a large elevation angle, it can hit the enemy behind a ramp, in trenches, beams and ravines, which is not possible able. I believe that the 82-mm mortar, 40-mm grenade launcher and 12,7-mm machine gun harmoniously complement each other, and must be armed with a motorized rifle battalion.
      1. demiurg
        demiurg 14 December 2016 15: 16
        0
        Why can’t they shoot flat?
        Cornflower can. Another question is that it weighs 600+ kilograms.
        1. Comrade Stalin
          Comrade Stalin 14 December 2016 20: 47
          0
          Well, the Cornflower is an AUTOMATIC mortar, and weighs 632 kg, which is already comparable to the 76 mm regiment. You try to throw the Cornflower into the car body TWO. You can’t. And towing is possible only up to 60 km / h on smooth asphalt, on a dirt road no more than 20 km / h. I, for example, as a company commander, would rather have a regiment than a Cornflower, and even more would have preferred a half dozen simple mortars like Tray than a crafty Cornflower. Cornflower, of course, is very good! But 5 Trays instead is even better.
      2. pv1005
        pv1005 14 December 2016 21: 54
        0
        Quote: Comrade_Stalin

        But the 82-mm mortar weighs 42 kg, but shoots 3,14 kg mines at a range of 3900 m, and it is due to the variable charge and a large elevation angle, can hit the enemy behind a ramp, in trenches, gullies and ravines, which grenade launchers are not capable of. I believe that the 82-mm mortar, 40-mm grenade launcher and 12,7-mm machine gun harmoniously complement each other, and must be armed with a motorized rifle battalion.

        Take read the manual on the 30mm AGS-17, you will be pleasantly surprised when you find out that he can also shoot on a hinged path and, accordingly, can like a mortar
        Quote: Comrade_Stalin
        hit the enemy behind a ramp, in trenches, beams and ravines
        1. Comrade Stalin
          Comrade Stalin 14 December 2016 22: 17
          0
          Hmm, but to compare the mortar, which was originally sharpened for mounted shooting, and even with a variable charge, it's just ridiculous. Oh yes, the weight of the AGS-17 grenade is 280 g, the weight of the tray mine is 3140 g. Is the difference obvious or not? Or is the impact of a 45-mm PF comparable to a 152-mm PF for you?
          1. pv1005
            pv1005 15 December 2016 06: 37
            0
            Quote: Comrade_Stalin
            Hmm, but to compare the mortar, which was originally sharpened for mounted shooting, and even with a variable charge, it's just ridiculous. Oh yes, the weight of the AGS-17 grenade is 280 g, the weight of the tray mine is 3140 g. Is the difference obvious or not? Or is the impact of a 45-mm PF comparable to a 152-mm PF for you?

            So you are trying to compare with a finger. I pointed out that the AGS also shoots along a hinged path. We didn’t talk about the power of the charge.
    4. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 14 December 2016 12: 45
      +2
      In fact, there was infa about the developed new ammunition for AGS-17/30: the "range" was expanded, the range was increased to 2,1 km, more powerful explosives ...
  4. alexfin
    alexfin 14 December 2016 08: 37
    +6
    It seems not what, but I'm tired of hearing the words ... next year ... it’s being developed ... will be accepted ... and so on .. blah blah blah, but I would like to hear more often, they’re used, used ...
    1. Monarchist
      Monarchist 14 December 2016 09: 52
      0
      Alas, we have too blah blah. Now I remembered "New adventures of the elusive": "and I will drink in silence,". How much noise was there, but about AK12 and where is it?
  5. bistrov.
    bistrov. 14 December 2016 09: 31
    +1
    An interesting idea of ​​the original ammunition with a flying sleeve, because its extraction is a lot of problems in small arms due to possible jamming and even tearing. It is possible to refuse extractors and reflectors. No flanges or grooves on the sleeve are also needed for the hooks of the ejectors. Maybe this is the path to the next improvement of small arms and artillery weapons? In fact, a rocket engine is used here, which can work even after departure from the barrel, thereby increasing the range of a bullet or projectile. It would be interesting to know if work is underway in this direction?
    1. Denimax
      Denimax 14 December 2016 10: 46
      +1
      Quote: bistrov.
      No flanges or grooves on the sleeve are also needed for the hooks of the ejectors.

      And if a misfire, how to pick out?)
      1. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 14 December 2016 15: 03
        +2
        Fuse ramrod wassat And no problems with extraction - neither the shooter, nor the apparatus ...
      2. bistrov.
        bistrov. 14 December 2016 17: 10
        0
        Quote: Denimax
        And if a misfire, how to pick out?)

        Probably thought through, since it is already being tested in the troops.
        1. Denimax
          Denimax 14 December 2016 19: 45
          0
          Quote: bistrov.
          Probably thought through, since it is already being tested in the troops.

          Judging by the photo, the hook is still there.
  6. Bersaglieri
    Bersaglieri 14 December 2016 09: 42
    0
    What sleeves? VOG-17 - shellless ammunition.
    1. bistrov.
      bistrov. 14 December 2016 10: 05
      +6
      Quote: Bersaglieri
      VOG-17 - shellless ammunition.

      What are you? Since when? You should google first before writing this.
    2. RASKAT
      RASKAT 14 December 2016 11: 47
      0
      It's you with VOG-30 probably beguiled.
      1. pv1005
        pv1005 14 December 2016 22: 00
        0
        Quote: RASKAT
        It's you with VOG-30 probably beguiled.

        So for reference:
        The VOG-30 shot is an improved type of ammunition that has a more powerful fragmentation effect due to the use of a new method for manufacturing the body by the method of volumetric cold deformation with the formation of semi-finished fragments on its inner surface. In addition, the VOG-30 used autonomous sealing propellant charge in the sleeve. The fragmentation shirt as a separate part in VOG-30 is absent.
  7. Whowhy
    Whowhy 14 December 2016 09: 43
    0
    Taubin’s grenade launcher had a caliber of 57mm and also weighed 32kg. It seems to me that a decision has long been ripe to divide automatic grenade launchers into light - infantry and heavy - for installation on vehicles. For heavy caliber make 60mm.
    If we were to make a mortar shot, then it was necessary to go “to the end” - to make the barrel smooth, and the rotation of the grenade due to inclined nozzles. Then the range would have increased and the wear of the barrel would have decreased, well, the accuracy would have slightly decreased. But the decrease in accuracy when firing bursts (fragmentation ammunition), as they say, is "not a bug, but a feature."
    1. self-propelled
      self-propelled 14 December 2016 10: 30
      +1
      more than once I came across such a "shtukentsia" - LSHO-57 (light assault gun, and in fact a large-caliber grenade launcher). Of course, to call it light (250 kg in a firing position), the language will not turn. although, again, depending on what to compare. as for me, a serious help in supporting the infantry (and if you also install on a lightly armored chassis ... winked )

      1. parkello
        parkello 14 December 2016 15: 05
        +1
        serious thing winked it’s better to install it on a pickup truck, so that it would be more convenient to change the position after a series of shots. Is there a cassette at 5 high?
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 14 December 2016 10: 44
      +1
      Quote: whowhy
      grenade rotation - due to inclined nozzles

      It is expensive. Once we were forced to abandon turbojet shells for MLRS for this reason.
      1. Whowhy
        Whowhy 16 December 2016 09: 16
        0
        With such a caliber - it's a penny stamping.
    3. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 14 December 2016 12: 05
      0
      Quote: whowhy
      Taubin’s grenade launcher had a caliber of 57mm and also weighed 32kg. It seems to me that a decision has long been ripe to divide automatic grenade launchers into light - infantry and heavy - for installation on vehicles. For heavy caliber make 60mm.

      What for? 45 mm standardized gauge for heavy and light. The difference only in speed and range should be.
    4. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 14 December 2016 12: 56
      +1
      Hmmm, live and learn! And I didn't know that Taubin was fiddling with a 57mm gun! I always thought that Taubin's "horse" was a 40,8 mm caliber grenade launcher! True, I will not argue, the followers of Taubin offered easel grenade launchers with a caliber of 60 mm and 76 mm ....... But in one airborne division (I don't remember!), 57 mm AGS-57 grenade launchers are being tested as standard weapons / LSHO-57
  8. Aviagr
    Aviagr 14 December 2016 09: 56
    0
    Well, how much you can plan Goliath's clubs!
    Syria Caliber bombed - bombed
    Strategic bombers - bombed
    Kuzya sent - have sent
    Syrian Express - seven days a week round trip
    T-90 sent - have sent
    Special Forces - works
    And Palmyra - surrendered... And there would be Terminators, the Balkans and other Goliath things - they would not help (they would leave the barmales as well as the tanks) ... For a year and a half already Karelin can't cope with preschooler - what other arguments are needed in the impasse of existing weapons and tactics ?!
    How to clean Syria and more - read in Mosquito weapons:
    https://topwar.ru/102450-moskitnoe-vooruzhenie-ta
    ktika-ispolzovaniya.html
  9. Monarchist
    Monarchist 14 December 2016 10: 00
    +2
    Judging by the information, the "Balkan" will be very good, but the question is: how soon will it go to the troops?
    A cousin served in Afghanistan and said that AGS17 supported the guys well.
    1. parkello
      parkello 14 December 2016 10: 22
      +1
      my neighbor served in Afghanistan in 1986-88. about AGS-17 he talked a lot, praised him. even spoke on the armor it was welded onto the BMP and helped out many times, especially where it was necessary to cover through a knoll, or to get it on top. and this one will be more powerful, all the same, it’s 10 mm thicker than a grenade, and it flies entirely, which means it creates more fragments. if a good thing should be taken. and judging by the information, the thing is really worthwhile.
      1. nnm
        nnm 14 December 2016 12: 33
        0
        the commander said that there were cases when in the mountains they didn’t set up on a bed in case of a sudden battle, but beat him with a belt to the back of the second number ....
        1. parkello
          parkello 14 December 2016 14: 55
          +1
          Yes, everything happens in war. but AGS-17 is a hard thing. the second number can be sympathized.
          1. nnm
            nnm 14 December 2016 16: 42
            0
            yes, I know....
  10. nnm
    nnm 14 December 2016 10: 03
    +2
    What kind of seat on the machine ??? the feeling that the developers themselves never fired from the AGS .... either in front of the bed to do some kind of leg rest, or to remove this rubbish - and so the grenade launcher lifts vertically from shots, and then the weight fighter will add
    1. Gray brother
      Gray brother 14 December 2016 13: 55
      +3
      Quote: nnm
      - and so vertically lifts a grenade launcher from shots, and then there’s also a fighter of weight in the back

      And men don’t know.

      He doesn’t lift anything there - he just jumps like a bastard. It’s better to sit on a stool than to stick around lying down.
      1. nnm
        nnm 14 December 2016 16: 45
        0
        Tell me about how to work with him))) I didn’t have time to learn for 2 of the year ..... You look at where the vector is from the pose of the soldier in the photo and imagine if he was sitting on the bed ....
  11. bistrov.
    bistrov. 14 December 2016 10: 11
    0
    Quote: Monarchist
    Alas, we have too blah blah.

    The creation of new types of weapons and their adoption into service is a difficult and slow process. There is no way to rush here, we need a comprehensive check and thorough tests, including among the troops. And then you can heap up such "cases".
  12. Comrade Stalin
    Comrade Stalin 14 December 2016 10: 57
    +1
    It was high time to switch to a 40 mm shot. VOG-25 has an explosive mass of only 35 g, which is three times less than RGD-5. With a 40 mm shot, the Russian army will receive a shot comparable to the power of a hand grenade. And the initial speed of a new shot is greater, which means greater accuracy and firing range, all other things being equal. As for the almost twofold increase in the mass of the grenade launcher and ammunition, now is not the beginning of the 20th century, when the infantry moved on its own and dragged Maxim and PTR on it. Now we have MOTO rifle troops moving on infantry fighting vehicles, armored personnel carriers, MTLBs and trucks, so the weapon’s damaging factor and its effectiveness are becoming more important, not mass. The mass, of course, is very important, but not as critical as it was 80 years ago.
    1. Aviagr
      Aviagr 14 December 2016 11: 39
      0
      Well this is how much iron will go to the Balkans - and you could stamp it out of it nail driversto already take off some caps and ventilate the pea of ​​the brain ...
      It is necessary to destroy the infantry - send an UAV with a double-barreled machine gun; firing point - with Skolopendry; closed firing point (behind the rock / in the ravine) - Skolopendry with a tip from the UAV.
      African Katyusha they are no longer in demand in future wars, they did not even help to liberate Syria ... We need one unified missile - Skolopendra - for all types of military operations, and not a zoo of weapons and calibers. And of course, its carriers in the form of UAVs, Trailers and gliders.
      Everything else is useless scrap metal ...
      http://warfiles.ru/show-138377-tolko-navelis-i-tu
      t-priletelo-minometchiki-vsu-unichtozheny-na-donb
      asse.html

      Incidentally, Leopards burn again - but no one doubted: heavy equipment with equal (and here it isn’t!) the enemy will live no more than half an hour on the front line - what is the point of THROWING funds on it?! ..
      1. Comrade Stalin
        Comrade Stalin 14 December 2016 12: 04
        0
        Let's cry for Bendery - after all, they still have children - little Benderish larvae :)))). UAV destroyed your bender? Judging by the text, they were torn into pieces by an ordinary 82-mm mine. If the caliber was 120 mm, then the witness would not have survived.
        1. Aviagr
          Aviagr 14 December 2016 12: 56
          0
          What does the "bender" have to do with it? - It was about unprotected firing pointwhich is any mortar and grenade launcher, so their calculation perishes at the first shots. The mechanized ones will be easily visible in Sobolyatniki and UAVs - and also will not hide from the unified Skolopendra ...
          And the fact that still no proper shock UAV - this is in the Moscow Region and the FPI - why do they spend money on all sorts of Balkans and Goat Jumpers, instead of the only NECESSARY weapons with victorious tactics!
          The clubs will not save Goliath - neither long nor short, nor with pimples ...
          1. Comrade Stalin
            Comrade Stalin 14 December 2016 22: 23
            +1
            Chukchi reader, Chukchi is not a writer? Your link says:
            In the Kharkiv region today, three servicemen of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, who died in the Donbass, were buried.
            Senior soldier Viktor Klimenko, born in 1978, soldier Vladimir Sholominsky, born in 1983. and senior soldier Andrei Lelyakin, b. 1982 died from a single mine on December 10.
            “We went to the position, got the coordinates. As soon as they were brought in, an enemy mine flew from uncontrolled territory. She flew right into the pit, where there was a mortar in the trench, where the mortar was calculated. Vladimir Sholominsky - he covered himself with me, with his body. All the fragments, all the main things he took with him. I was only thrown off by the blast wave, ”said the chief sergeant of the 3rd mortar battery for material support of the 92nd APU brigade, Alexander Litchenko, to Ukrainian media.
            In February, they were supposed to return home after completing a six-month contract. All the dead have children.

            I don't understand their crying. Or is it hohlyatskoe "And we are for sho?" Themselves say and write that they are mortars who shoot at the children and women of Donbass, rejoice at the killed cotton wool and Colorades, and are outraged when a mine arrives in response to them and kills them. And they are sincerely indignant and surprised: And what about us?
    2. nnm
      nnm 14 December 2016 12: 02
      0
      Oh, your words to the ears of my commanders in 93-94gg
    3. Vz.58
      Vz.58 14 December 2016 12: 02
      +5
      The higher the initial velocity of the grenade creates more recoil. Some of us saw the AGS-17 work in bursts. The first grenade flies more or less to the target, the rest is "to put pressure on the psyche." I do not see a muzzle brake for the AGS-40 "Balkan" product, the seat is located so that the mass of the shooter who will sit on this seat will contribute to the greater "throwing" of the barrel when firing and, therefore, shooting somewhere. And now the infantry does not go into battle, as in 1812 at Borodino. I see the installation of this, without dispute, an effective grenade launcher on special machines on equipment, but not in situations where you need to crawl on your belly, although such options are not excluded. And how to put such a kicking car on a helicopter. Or maybe I looked? Where is it written what is the recoil of AGS-40 in joules? The "flying sleeve" of the AGS-40 is, in fact, a rocket motor in an enclosed space (barrel). This is associated with chemical corrosion of the barrel and reloading mechanisms. But, since the AGS-40 is being adopted, this problem is somehow solved. If not solved, then it will result in a pretty penny
      1. Comrade Stalin
        Comrade Stalin 14 December 2016 12: 08
        +2
        As for the seat, that's for sure, garbage stuck. A man weighing 80 kg easily outweighs a complex weighing 50 kg. In the army, such a seat will be immediately torn off.
      2. Bad_gr
        Bad_gr 14 December 2016 12: 49
        +1
        Quote: Vz.58
        I do not see a muzzle brake for the AGS-40 "Balkan" product, the seat is positioned so that the mass of the shooter who will sit on this seat will contribute to a greater "throwing" of the barrel when firing and, therefore, shooting somewhere.

        In the AGS-40 Balkan, a shot occurs while the barrel is moving forward. That is, the return will be only after the energy is spent on braking this trunk, then rollback with cocking of automation elements (and this happens, relatively smoothly) and only after the barrel reaches the stop, there will be a blow (and then, I think, a big part of the energy will be spent on previous processes).

        About the seat. I think the seat is on the bed so that the mortar doesn’t go far after each shot, and it’s more convenient for the soldier to sit on some seat than on the ground (especially in winter and in slush)
  13. beeper
    beeper 14 December 2016 11: 48
    +1
    Haaarrooshaya contraption, without cables and kerosene, even with the Union they were waiting for this! wink
    And is the possibility of shooting captured ammunition provided?
  14. cannabis
    cannabis 14 December 2016 12: 16
    +1
    An interesting principle is the design of a grenade retainer in the barrel until it is pricked by a striker. And the second - is there any possibility of firing grenades from the grenade launcher, even with a single fire guided along the trunk?
  15. Ronino
    Ronino 14 December 2016 15: 19
    0
    On the ATV stick and go!
  16. shinobi
    shinobi 14 December 2016 16: 06
    0
    Shooting from the open shutter! Well, the idea is that anyone who ever sat in the rain at the front line, even during exercises, will agree with me. There is dirt, and hello the northern fox. This is not an automatic weapon, you can’t just shake out the dirt, especially under fire. But the ammunition is new, it seems a successful first-born of sleeveless shells. It is a very promising solution. The grenade launcher is likely to be wrapped up, after being tested by recruits, it would be a pity if the grenade is closed with it.
    1. cannabis
      cannabis 14 December 2016 16: 51
      0
      Quote: shinobi
      .Very promising solution

      Oh and don’t even speak! I’ve been waiting twenty years for myself to create an infantry multuk with active-reactive ammunition of a shellless type. And so that the range of sighting is 2500 m and that is the sight with a range finder and thermal stray. And so that you can choose any ammunition and even abandon the seismic sensor or video camera. No, they’ll construct everything with AK, but they invent pistols.
      1. mr.redpartizan
        mr.redpartizan 15 December 2016 01: 29
        0
        This is not an active-reactive ammunition, because the complete combustion of the powder charge occurs even in the barrel of the weapon. Missiles have one very serious drawback - low accuracy due to fuel combustion in flight. A striking example of a jet firearm is the American Girojet pistol of the 60s.
        1. cannabis
          cannabis 15 December 2016 03: 20
          0
          Yes, the normal accuracy of rockets .... at a range of 600 m grenade from BMP-1, two holes can easily be merged with the edges. I'm not talking about that. The western branch of civilization is constantly increasing the range of its weapons, either people are being cherished, or they are afraid of a Russian bayonet battle. We remain in the position of catching up and therefore in a more difficult one. We need a qualitative leap forward, enough to eat stubs of other people's ideas. The same AGS-17 was a breakthrough, like the BMP.
    2. Chtononibrator
      Chtononibrator 14 December 2016 18: 45
      0
      Quote: shinobi
      Shooting with an open shutter! Well, it’s an idea! Anyone who at least once sat in the rain in the front line, even during exercises, will agree with me. There is dirt and hello to the northern fox.

      Actually, there’s about the shutter position before the shot. Such a scheme is adopted in many weapons.
  17. demiurg
    demiurg 14 December 2016 17: 48
    0
    IS-80_RVGK2,
    Unification will not work, it is tempting, but it will not work.
    Or get three fig things. Generalists always lose to specialists.
  18. acrshooter
    acrshooter 15 December 2016 00: 18
    0
    For your information: (sighing heavily about weight):

    Compared, made a tablet. All information is taken from public sources.
    Sincerely, Arthur.
    1. tino
      tino 16 December 2016 18: 26
      0
      29 shots in a snail 29
  19. Chever
    Chever 15 December 2016 14: 51
    0
    I believe that it will be installed on the combat modules of armored cars, infantry fighting vehicles and other missiles
  20. tino
    tino 16 December 2016 18: 25
    0
    At one time there was a ZKV-KO grenade platoon. in service there were 6 AGS-17 in total in a platoon of 18 people. 6 are the crews of the BTR-80. There were 2 left for one grenade launcher, so count the border itself with the machine tool and a sight of 31 kg, 3 snails count another 45 kg. Kalash plus 4 shops, a bronik, a helmet, a suhpay, an OZK, a gas mask, a nazesor. And two by two, dragging a box with bk. In total, they went as I don’t know who. and here also ammunition is heavier
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  21. kontrobas
    kontrobas 20 December 2016 10: 33
    0
    This is all of course fun and cool. But only AGS 30, together with the machine tool and a snail for 30 grenades, weighs 30 kg, and only this body with the machine tool 32 kg. How it will be dragged personally I can not imagine ...
  22. Just a man
    Just a man 28 January 2017 17: 40
    0
    Generally, AGS is a thing. Once upon a time, in his youth in Central Asia, jackals clicked in the mountains of Kopetdag right in burrows for 500-700 meters. Amazing accuracy of the first shot with the correct alignment and settings of the sight. For which, by the way, sickly pi ... Julia received from the commander, someone passed. Oh youth youth.
  23. solovald
    solovald 13 July 2017 04: 09
    0
    Before the series, this grenade launcher needs to be tested in Syria on ... igil.