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Governor of the province of Homs: "80% of the inhabitants of Palmyra evacuated"

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The governor of the Syrian province of Homs reports on how the evacuation of civilians from Palmyra was carried out. According to him, until the insurgents entered the city previously liberated from them, the Syrian army and local authorities were able to evacuate about 80% of the population. RIA News cites a statement by Governor Homs Talal Barazi:
We are concerned about the fate of those who stayed there (in the city).



The Russian focal point for reconciliation of the parties reports that at least 11,000 militants were involved in the attack on Palmyra of ISIS (prohibited in the Russian Federation). The attacks were carried out with 4-x directions, one of which is the road connecting Palmyra (Tadmor) with the administrative center of the province of Homs. The road was finally cut by the militants.

According to Barazi, the Syrian army has now lost control over the eastern part of the city, the center and individual neighborhoods in the West. In this case, the governor of the Syrian province said that the armed forces of the SAR are regrouping and waiting for reinforcements.

Igilovtsy meanwhile in social network accounts claim that the whole of Palmyra is under their complete control.

Governor of the province of Homs: "80% of the inhabitants of Palmyra evacuated"


Barazi:
I am confident that control over Tadmor (Palmyra) will be fully restored soon.


Official data on the losses of the parties are still not available. On the eve it was reported that the Syrian army lost no less than 340 people during the defense of Palmyra during Saturday and Sunday. Losses of ISIS - more than half a thousand killed and wounded.
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  1. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 12 December 2016 07: 07
    +16
    mess ... how overslept? to intelligence matters.
    1. Marksman
      Marksman 12 December 2016 07: 14
      +7


      Alas, you can’t say better .... ask more precisely
      The dead and cowardly ally has always been a "faithful" assistant, almost from Kalki.
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 12 December 2016 07: 21
        +21
        when Palmyra will be beaten again, will the concert be rolled again?
        1. cniza
          cniza 12 December 2016 07: 53
          +9
          Quote: Andrew Y.
          mess ... how overslept? to intelligence matters.


          Obviously, it was not done without the help of the "exceptional", but this does not remove the questions for the intelligence and general staff.
          1. vanek77
            vanek77 12 December 2016 12: 09
            +5
            The mistake was made in the fact that the NDF, the militia, were at the key heights, which gave a fight at the first shots. There were normal fighters in the city, but the assault began not only from three sides and by shelling from the heights of the captured. Yesterday they tried to translate from Arabic, it turned out that something like betrayal inside Palmyra itself, that is, they were stabbed in the back, so to speak by their own. Idlib was taken in about the same way, there were good specialists, but they were stormed by nusrachi, and "civilians" were beating from the upper floors. In Palmyra, at the sight of all this, our people immediately went outside the perimeter and did the right thing, from there they soaked the igiloids. We cleaned Al-Amiriya, but they took her again, for the same reasons. Ours seem to have only wounded, that's good. And in these 20%, there are probably a lot of "peaceful citizens".
        2. SPACE
          SPACE 12 December 2016 08: 09
          +23
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          when Palmyra will be beaten again, will the concert be rolled again?

          Yeah, the stupid, nutty gloating is already rushing ... a circus.
          1. Luga
            Luga 12 December 2016 13: 43
            +3
            Quote: SPACE
            Yeah, the stupid, nutty gloating is already rushing ... a circus.

            Alas, a colleague. There will always be something like that. Maybe Andrei Yurievich alone is not a bad person, I’d just slap him too bile, but a fat minus.
            1. antivirus
              antivirus 12 December 2016 14: 55
              0
              Stalingrad is not in Palmyra. And the experience of Stalingrad is not forgotten? why sculpt "anything is possible"
              Another thing is that it is necessary to collect barmaley in a lured, targeted place. and wait until "yourself?" die (overeat mushrooms)
        3. Stas157
          Stas157 12 December 2016 08: 14
          +26
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          when Palmyra will be beaten again

          Will they be beaten off? No matter how the militants of Aleppo beat off! Looking at how easily, without aviation, the militants captured Palmyra in two days, this no longer seems fantastic!
          We captured Palmyra for 2 weeks with the support of aviation! Why are we (and this is us, we don’t have to blame everything on the Syrians, we are leading!) Were so easily thrown out of the fact that we won so hard ??? Shame!!!
          Here is the result of ceasefires and corridors for militants to exit! If not for these friendly truces, Aleppo would have already been taken. And Palmyra would not be blinked!
          1. Marksman
            Marksman 12 December 2016 08: 20
            +10
            "In total, the Caliphate declared about the trophies captured in Palmyra (intact and damaged) - 30 tanks, 6 infantry fighting vehicles, 6 122-mm guns, 7 ZU-23, as well as various cars, ATGMs, small arms, ammunition, ammunition" ...
            Damn, even our "Shot" and "Urals" ... Why not work out the city, knowing that there are spirits ... with trophies?

            Judging by the photo reports, if they exaggerate, then not much. Very very bad. Given that this will all be directed against counterattacks.
            1. Lord of the Sith
              Lord of the Sith 12 December 2016 10: 40
              +4
              You post garbage. There, a total of 20 units of various equipment were captured, including tanks. Then it magically turned into 20 tanks, then they decided to add 10 more and got 30 tanks.

              Here is their catch: amount of heavy equipment left to #ISIS by pro-Regime forces in #Palmyra: 5 T-55s, 3 T-72s, 2 BMPs, 1 BVP-1 & 1 APC.
              1. donavi49
                donavi49 12 December 2016 12: 09
                +3
                Not really. It is only in the city.

                On the Silos they took the 1 BMP and the Howitzer battery.
                At the skyscrapers took 1 T-62 and 1 T-55.
                Also took the BM-21 in the south.
                Several Howitzers on high-rises without binding.
                1. donavi49
                  donavi49 12 December 2016 12: 10
                  +2
                  And yes, the new design does not allow you to insert more than one photo in a post - it's sad.
                  1. donavi49
                    donavi49 12 December 2016 12: 11
                    +3
                    Who says - it is abandoned faulty.

                    This same tank is already underway.
                    1. Lord of the Sith
                      Lord of the Sith 12 December 2016 12: 16
                      +2
                      Well, I’m saying only 20 units, including that battery of howitzers.
            2. antivirus
              antivirus 12 December 2016 14: 57
              0
              will all trophies go to Mosul or deployed to us?
              1. Marksman
                Marksman 12 December 2016 15: 08
                0
                Quote: antivirus
                will all trophies go to Mosul or deployed to us?


                They say that T4 is the next target ... I doubt that they will keep it. Painfully quickly draped.
      2. Dangerous
        Dangerous 12 December 2016 08: 24
        +7
        I wrote a year ago, but then the "patriots" minus me:
        "Dangerous November 12, 2015 09:09 | Synopsis of the Syrian Army's action against terrorists
        At such a pace of the offensive of the Syrian "army" our pilots seem to be registered there for many years. It was necessary at the beginning of the war to be so enchantingly screwed up so that now we could advance 7 km in 2 weeks "
    2. Odysseus
      Odysseus 12 December 2016 07: 24
      +10
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      mess ... how overslept? to intelligence matters.

      There were not as many ISIS members as they are declared. For nothing, ours began to talk about "many thousands" to justify themselves. This is how we justify the Syrians, not ourselves.
      Watch a video about attacks on checkpoints, 30-40 people attack in jeeps, Syrian soldiers flee. What kind of intelligence will help here ...
      In the vast majority of wars, everything is decided on earth, that is, ultimately by infantry. The Air Force, intelligence is a useful but additional element .. Our miscalculation is rather that knowing the quality of the infantry in this direction, we did not insist on reinforcing it with more combat-ready units. Well, or, in extreme cases, our parts.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 12 December 2016 07: 27
        +15
        Quote: Odyssey
        Well, or, in extreme cases, our parts.

        Let’s send your son there. Well, what, are you ready to send other people's sons there, why shouldn’t yours be there then?
        1. Odysseus
          Odysseus 12 December 2016 07: 37
          +8
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Let’s send your son there. Well, what, are you ready to send other people's sons there, why shouldn’t yours be there then?

          I agree. But let's not be nervous. I wrote, as a last resort , the fact is that the special forces have already helped to take the same Palmyra, so that they are already there.
          It would be ideal if the Syrian government had enough fighting infantry on all fronts, or Iran would send more of its soldiers. But alas, we have what we have.
          It may not have been necessary to attack in East Ghout so far, but instead fortify Palmyra with parts from there, but what can we say now ...
          PS As for the regular army, I am against sending our soldiers there, at least until a much more urgent problem for us with Ukraine has been resolved.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 12 December 2016 07: 41
            +2
            Quote: Odyssey
            the fact is that the special forces already helped take the same Palmyra, so that they are already there.

            Yes I remember. And how many more of these guys are you ready to put in the edge of the case?
            1. Odysseus
              Odysseus 12 December 2016 07: 51
              +7
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Yes I remember. And how many more of these guys are you ready to put in the edge of the case?

              You press on emotions. The life of each person is valuable, especially our soldier. But since we started to fight, then you can’t lose.
              Although from my point of view, if we are risking the lives of our guys, then to solve a much more urgent problem with Ukraine. But this is my point of view and it is not important. It is important that we are officially fighting in Syria. Contract soldiers / volunteers are fighting there. And to completely avoid the risk does not work out.
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 12 December 2016 07: 57
                +5
                Quote: Odyssey
                You push on emotions

                No, I just don’t like to do their work for others.
                Quote: Odyssey
                But since we started to fight, we can’t lose.

                The price of the question does not interest you, do I understand correctly? The main prestige, the rest is dust.
                Quote: Odyssey
                And to completely avoid the risk does not work out.

                ISIS held Palmyra for a month, and Assad’s army surrendered it in three days. Even blows by Caliber and TU 22 from a heap of turntables did not help.
                1. Odysseus
                  Odysseus 12 December 2016 08: 12
                  +2
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  ISIS held Palmyra for a month, and Assad’s army surrendered it in three days. Even blows by Caliber and TU 22 from a heap turret did not help

                  So I write that the cause of the defeat is the poor combat ability of Assad's infantry, and not a miscalculation of our General Staff or the weakness of our Air Force.
                  And then many pass this defeat on us, endowing the Air Force with completely mythological properties and forgetting that everything is decided on earth.
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  The price of the question does not interest you, do I understand correctly? The main prestige, the rest is dust.

                  Interesting. I repeat, I was generally against the operation in Syria before resolving the issue with Ukraine, and in terms of Syria, I thought that if we wanted to act actively, then we had to act earlier (both through diplomatic and military means), that is, in 2011- 2012 year.
                  But it is useless to talk about it. Now something needs to be done with the weak combat capability of the Syrian infantry.
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 12 December 2016 08: 16
                    +2
                    Quote: Odyssey
                    So I write that the reason for the defeat is poor infantry fighting efficiency

                    Does that mean anything? This suggests that it is impossible to win this warrior!
                    Quote: Odyssey
                    .Now something needs to be done with the weak combat capability of the Syrian infantry.

                    How can a Georgian choir be turned into an army? No answer hi
                    1. Marksman
                      Marksman 12 December 2016 09: 02
                      +4


                      You can’t win fighting on two fronts without the proper resources (and they are in Aleppo, a little more than all - the Tigers, Falcons, Hezi).

                      There is info about the evacuation of T4 ... uffff
                      (Red spot on the road), from where mi-35/28 worked.

                      Intelligence, Caliber, Hunters - nothing would have helped us save the city, except for our boys at the checkpoints and heights protecting the city, instead of Syrian militia guards who jumped into carts and fled.
                      But! Do we need it ?! Not a single Syrian city is worth Russian blood. The Syrians profiled their Palmyra, in which we invested thoroughly in due time.
                2. Simple
                  Simple 12 December 2016 14: 28
                  +1
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Even blows by Caliber and TU 22 from a heap of turntables did not help


                  Gauges and ironing for highly mobile goals?
            2. Luga
              Luga 12 December 2016 14: 39
              +3
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Yes I remember. And how many more of these guys are you ready to put in the edge of the case?

              In general, I agree with you. It’s not worth it to ruin our guys in Syria once again, every death is a tragedy.
              On the other hand, they do not force anyone into Syria by force; those who serve there know what they are going to. The death of each of our soldiers should give (and, I hope, gives) the necessary experience to save hundreds of others. The army must fight, otherwise it will cease to be an army, and there can be no war without the dead. The only question is what price the enemy will pay for the death of our soldier and what conclusions will be drawn by our command from this death. Dying for the motherland is part of the soldier’s work. No need for extra emotions.
              But regarding the introduction of our troops into Syria to solve strategic problems (read "for the war for Syria instead of the Syrians"), here I am a categorical enemy. Each people AMU must conquer and defend their right to independence, only then will they value it, both their own and someone else's. Help - yes. Exercise - yes. To gain experience, yes. Change in the trenches - absolutely not.
              1. Luga
                Luga 12 December 2016 15: 43
                0
                In pursuit of the above:
                "What are you afraid of? Don't you know that there is no war without the fallen, the dead?"
                Don't you know that you came naturally to military men, and not women?
                If a husband is killed in battle, what miracle is there?
                Others, at home, die without glory, but these died with glory!
                Strengthen your hearts and take down your weapons against your enemies "

                Prince Daniel of Galicia.
          2. antivirus
            antivirus 12 December 2016 16: 02
            0
            apparently there is a division of spheres of influence until the next "a lot of dough, it's time to spend it"
        2. Karaul73
          Karaul73 12 December 2016 07: 40
          +7
          If you talk like that, then what is Russia doing there? There is war and someone has to fight. Otherwise, why then climbed, PR.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 12 December 2016 07: 49
            +7
            Quote: Sentry73
            There is war and someone has to fight.

            I thought and still believe that the Syrian army should do this first of all.
            Even at the very beginning of the warriors, the assad's advantage was overwhelming in all directions. And there were equipment and planes and infantry, but they managed to lose one fight, and they surrendered the city.
          2. Stirbjorn
            Stirbjorn 12 December 2016 09: 37
            +4
            Quote: Sentry73
            Otherwise, why then climbed, PR.

            Well, yes, what did you think? believe in fairy tales about the war on distant approaches ?!
          3. antivirus
            antivirus 12 December 2016 17: 13
            0
            "Several hundred militants, under the sight ??? entered the palmyra" "
            ---- drove past the target of the "NKVD" of the Syrians and the viability of the regime is determined by such "blunders" (or shouts of "unnecessary cruelty", but not blunders. From which your soldiers die (to no avail)
      2. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 12 December 2016 07: 37
        +8
        Quote: Odyssey
        Well, what kind of intelligence will help here.

        military intelligence, what else? how did you miss the preparation? a day or two earlier, could not hit the bearded when they were getting close to Palmyra? tanks, invisible armored personnel carriers? and about "our units" - I agree with Alexander Romanov.
        1. Odysseus
          Odysseus 12 December 2016 07: 56
          +3
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          couldn't hit the bearded when they were getting close to Palmyra?

          You probably don't know, they were near Palmyra, and a small group of jeeps, or a maximum of 1-2 tanks, need half an hour or an hour to get to the front checkpoints.
          I agree with the miscalculation of intelligence in the context that we do not have our own people at ISIS headquarters.
        2. Simple
          Simple 12 December 2016 14: 31
          0
          And who said that they were moving in a column?
          There is a desert, not forests with swamps.
    3. vkl.47
      vkl.47 12 December 2016 07: 36
      +10
      Whiners calm down. You don’t even know anything. Worse than urapatriots, only liberal liberal generalissimos can do anything. Nobody knows anything, but they’ve already raised the scum. How many fighters? How many soldiers? 1 to 5? Or more. Then I’ll see all the masters fight off the assaults
      1. Marksman
        Marksman 12 December 2016 07: 51
        +1
        Nenytik has accurate data on the ratio of the ratio of 5000 IG to 1000, or 10 to 2, and sees nothing wrong with the loss of Palmyra. What are the military, strategic and geopolitical losses? "You cho, uzbagoytes!" ...

        According to the maps of the blacks, the Syrians and we were carried right up to the air base from Palmyra ... The real picture is even cooler.
        I think we should forget about the "monuments" and "city" quarters during the storming of the spring, although it is possible only when Aleppo is taken, or it will be swoops and rebounds. By the way, Iran helps us ...
      2. donavi49
        donavi49 12 December 2016 08: 57
        +3
        Storming the mountain north of Palmyra. 40 + man and tank escapes - storms Toyota 2-3 and about a comparable number of broads.

        Black also stated only 1 of the previous stages - to the granary. And they post each torn-up basket with separate news. Over at Al Bab, in two days 5 people were blown up over the Turks.

        That says a lot.

        Well, everything is thrown, right on the streets.
        1. Marksman
          Marksman 12 December 2016 09: 36
          0
          Who interestingly burped 200 suicide bombers yesterday? ...
          By the way, the last time very effectively fucked a heap of turkach carts and moderate spirits ...



          I think that Syrian observers are fleeing precisely from jihad mobiles. Although you can’t drive it to the ridge and castle ... they simply got scared and ran. Although start a fight, wait for the turntables and you will be happy.
          (It seems to me that at this stage the problems are enormous - a challenge to aviation).
        2. Stirbjorn
          Stirbjorn 12 December 2016 09: 40
          +2
          Quote: donavi49
          Also, black said only 1 of the previous stages - to the granary. And they post each torn-up basket with separate news.

          Naturally, this is a piece of goods - there almost with everyone, they take a farewell video. Yesterday, nonsense about 200 exploding suicide bombers near Palmyra replicated
    4. Tambov Wolf
      Tambov Wolf 12 December 2016 10: 10
      +4
      No, comrade. These so-called "truces" are affecting. The whole "peace" is being induced, instead of carpet bombing of this whole gang of brothers. If Stalin had made a "truce" with the Germans, the war would still have been going on. The guarantee has recently begun to move out . "Peacemaker" at the expense of our dead guys. Disgrace.
    5. svedsl777
      svedsl777 12 December 2016 10: 16
      0
      why didn’t the aircraft work?
    6. GradusHuK
      GradusHuK 12 December 2016 10: 27
      +1
      Who is fighting the terrorists? There is no mobilization, etc., etc. in Syria. Questions to Assad. How is he going to win?
      1. donavi49
        donavi49 12 December 2016 10: 31
        +2
        Um, what will mobilization give? Throw even more equipment and weapons and arrange a race to Damascus or Latakia?

        The problem is the motivation of l / s, their stamina and equipment positions.
        1. GradusHuK
          GradusHuK 12 December 2016 10: 44
          0
          It is necessary to call on their men in Syria to war with dishonesty! While this is not there. They all play in the eastern bazaar. Well, well. Rescue of drowning people is the work of the drowning themselves.
    7. siberalt
      siberalt 12 December 2016 14: 54
      0
      All these fakecomets from the province of "Homs" got bogged down. am This is not even shown on the "military map". The Bramalei are scattering away from Palmyra after a night of hell. Who is not lazy - there is a video. We are not in a position to ring about this. Let the terrorists leave the cities in a pure field for further destruction.
      1. donavi49
        donavi49 12 December 2016 15: 05
        +2
        Walking around the city. The temple of Baal is being considered.
      2. Marksman
        Marksman 12 December 2016 15: 28
        +2
        Quote: siberalt
        All these fakecomets from the province of "Homs" got bogged down. The Bramalei are scattering away from Palmyra after a night of hell.


        I don’t understand if this is a consequence of a severe hangover or inertial processes (attitude "only positive")?
  2. Holoy
    Holoy 12 December 2016 07: 08
    +2
    Assad Army will not restore anything ...
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 12 December 2016 07: 29
      +3
      Quote: Holoy
      Assad Army will not restore anything ...

      Assad’s army is not operational without our ground support.
      1. Marksman
        Marksman 12 December 2016 07: 54
        0
        Not quite right, a small part, raking in the fires behind the carts in Hama, Aleppo ... But there are few of them, the Tigers.
        And they will not be allowed to release them soon, for, they say, preparations are underway in Idlib.
  3. Holoy
    Holoy 12 December 2016 07: 11
    +10
    Surprising is the position of our General Staff ... Climb to Syria with some VKS ... and chase their Jeeps in the desert on jet aircraft? Have they ever ever told the President the truth? What are our people in Syria going to do without battalion tactical groups?
    1. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 12 December 2016 07: 26
      +16
      Quote: Holoy
      What are our people in Syria going to do without battalion tactical groups?

      It is, of course, correct ... Chasing jeeps in "Sushki" is a rotten thing ... Without ground operations there won't be a fig there. The Syrians, I see, somehow, to put it mildly, do not really know how to fight - so, at the level of clarifying the relationship between the two villages. You have to fight on the ground. BUT... Well, it will be Afghanistan again ... I don’t fight there - I won back, and I’m no longer suitable for age. And there, NAVIRHU, are you ready for a second Afghan? And how Obama and Clintons will be happy if we go on the earth! This is exactly what America wanted and achieved from us in 79 and is striving for now. So that zinc comes to us not just once, but as "Tulips". And even better - like they have in Vietnam. And there you see how they count, the people will rebel against the GDP, and there, you see, a new Yeltsin will appear ... I personally am not ready to give them such joy ...
      1. Holoy
        Holoy 12 December 2016 07: 38
        +1
        Now the tactics of warfare has changed significantly ... since the days of the DRA ...

        Battalion-tactical groups possess maneuverability and huge firepower ... Donbass demonstrated this ...
      2. cap
        cap 12 December 2016 08: 30
        +2
        Quote: Zoldat_A
        Quote: Holoy
        What are our people in Syria going to do without battalion tactical groups?

        It is, of course, correct ... Chasing jeeps in "Sushki" is a rotten thing ... Without ground operations there won't be a fig there. And there you see how they count, the people will rebel against the GDP, and there, you see, a new Yeltsin will appear ... I personally am not ready to give them such joy ...


        I did not take the place of quoting as a whole. I agree completelyhi
      3. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 12 December 2016 12: 16
        +5
        "Chasing jeeps on" Sushki "is a rotten thing" ////

        Drying is a good platform for hitting the ground, but it’s missing
        sighting pylons and no air-to-ground missiles with GOS.

        For the F-16 to bang a rocket in the center of the body moving a toyota in the desert
        - elementary "educational" work.

        Start equipping your planes with normal avionics (for which both the glider and the engines are excellent).
    2. rotmistr60
      rotmistr60 12 December 2016 07: 27
      +10
      Climb to Syria with some VKS ...

      Yesterday "News of the week" showed a whole story about the work of our special forces in Syria with footage taken by the special forces. Very impressive. Guys-heroes do their job professionally.
      1. Holoy
        Holoy 12 December 2016 07: 35
        +1
        Quote: rotmistr60
        Yesterday in "News of the week" there was a whole story about the work of our special forces in Syria with shots taken by the special forces. Very impressive. Guys-heroes do their job professionally.

        MTR will not lead to victory ...
        My opinion about our MTR ... It is commendable. For a short period of time, they were able to reach the level of the 75th Rangers regiment. But it’s far to the level of the Green Berets ... and due to financing the level of the Delta and Seals, it’s almost impossible to achieve ... and even 20 years you need to gain experience ...
        1. rotmistr60
          rotmistr60 12 December 2016 07: 43
          +13
          were able to reach the level of the 75th Rangers regiment. But to the level of the Green Berets far away ...

          Are you sure what you are writing about? Do you know that at the international special forces competitions ours plugged your "green berets" into the belt? Tell that to those guys who are now fighting in Syria.
          1. Holoy
            Holoy 12 December 2016 07: 46
            +1
            Quote: rotmistr60
            Are you sure what you are writing about? Do you know that at the international special forces competitions ours plugged your "green berets" into the belt? Tell that to those guys who are now fighting in Syria.

            I am sure. 1. Competition is not an indicator. The realities of the war are different ... 2. The current Green Berets do not compete ... they are classified ...
            1. rotmistr60
              rotmistr60 12 December 2016 07: 49
              +10
              The current Green Berets do not compete ... they are classified ...

              And ours probably so, sort of like a walk out? In which division of berets did you serve? Do not look at night the American fighters.
              1. Holoy
                Holoy 12 December 2016 07: 52
                +1
                Quote: rotmistr60
                And ours probably so, sort of like a walk out? In which division of berets did you serve?

                And I praised ours ...
              2. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 12 December 2016 07: 59
                0
                Quote: rotmistr60
                In which division of berets did you serve?

                He has them lackey, maybe there. Although this is unlikely for you to say something.
                1. rotmistr60
                  rotmistr60 12 December 2016 08: 03
                  0
                  You probably mean it - 42 MCI SpN (military unit 59190)?
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 12 December 2016 08: 07
                    0
                    Quote: rotmistr60
                    You probably mean it - 42 MCI SpN (military unit 59190)?

                    Well, when there is Google the truth, you know everythingwink They didn’t even retype it, they simply copied it in Google
                    1. rotmistr60
                      rotmistr60 12 December 2016 08: 11
                      +2
                      With your "mind" it is high time to become some kind of guru. Everyone is trying to teach others. If a person really served in the special forces, then he will not speak disparagingly about the Russian.
                      1. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 12 December 2016 08: 35
                        +1
                        Quote: rotmistr60
                        If a person really served in the special forces, then he will not dismiss the Russian.

                        I knew one fighter of this unit. They killed him, right at the workplace with SVD in their hands.
                        Quote: rotmistr60
                        then he will not dismiss the Russian.

                        I read his comments, they are dry, there is no bravado and no show-offs.
                        Quote: Serg65
                        Holuay is a Troll of the 4 level, all the time trying to start a crowd and designate for her enemies in the person of the General Staff, the President and other officials!

                        Is Baluevsky screaming the most now, is he a level 5 troll?
                        Quote: Serg65
                        The point, Alexander, is not in Google! The point is this type! This pseudohydrobatman has the same relationship to Holloway as I do to Princess Diana!

                        Maybe yes, maybe not. I personally don’t know him.
                    2. Serg65
                      Serg65 12 December 2016 08: 25
                      +2
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      Well, when there is Google the truth, you know everything. They didn’t even retype it, they just copied it in Google

                      The point, Alexander, is not in Google! The point is this type! This pseudohydrobatman has the same relationship to Holloway as I do to Princess Diana!
                      Holuay is a Troll of the 4 level, all the time trying to start a crowd and designate for her enemies in the person of the General Staff, the President and other officials!
            2. bug_1
              bug_1 12 December 2016 09: 25
              +6
              Quote: Holoy
              I am sure. 1. Competition is not an indicator. The realities of the war are different ... 2. The current Green Berets do not compete ... they are classified ...

              everything is correct ... the lackey is absolutely right and you don’t know the basics and you don’t have to argue ... rangers are shkodniks (they kill and shit in the front line) and green berets are top-class pros and they are not killers but agents .. in their task as once the creation of an underground and "muddied" in the deepest and deepest rear of the enemy is included .. these are these pid .. they create partisan detachments from the local population .. these goats must be killed first of all .. and the rangers are so .. shkodniki .. the instructor explained this to us about 15 years ago at the school ... yo mayo .. I thought all the specialists here and I'm a sucker ...)))) and now I look here, maybe more I know others .. strange somehow ...
        2. vovanpain
          vovanpain 12 December 2016 08: 37
          +7
          Holoy
          MTR will not lead to victory ...
          My opinion about our MTR ... It is commendable. For a short period of time, they were able to reach the level of the 75th Rangers regiment. But it’s far to the level of the Green Berets ... and due to financing the level of the Delta and Seals, it’s practically impossible to reach ... and even 20 years you need to gain experience ... [/ quote]
          Thank God that this is only your opinion; you just don’t tell our seals and cats about it. In the best case, they will make fun of you, in the worst they can even attack your head. wink
        3. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 12 December 2016 10: 42
          +5
          Quote: Holoy
          to the level of the Green Berets far away ... but due to financing the level of the Delta and Seals practically can not be reached.

          Have you ever had to cover a clearing for American instructors "through international cooperation" in the mountains? And then, as is always the case with drunkenness among serious men, sparring is full contact. So we saw your Green Berets on [mat, mat, mat]... They groan, whine like fifth-grader girls - "you do not fight according to the rules, kick in the shin, with your saber fingers on the Adam's apple, some kind of" turntables "have invented ... In greenhouse conditions, among some Lithuanian Nibul, they, perhaps, Ramba are all polls. And so, in an adult way, Rambo is alone, and even that in the movie ... Well, really, there’s still one there - with strong nuts ... laughing
          1. Holoy
            Holoy 12 December 2016 12: 52
            +1
            Quote: Zoldat_A
            Have you ever had to cover the clearing for American instructors "through international cooperation" in the mountains? And then, as is always the case with drunkenness among serious men, sparring is full contact. So we saw your Green Berets on [checkmate, checkmate, checkmate]

            In fact, the Green Berets and especially the Delta with Seals are classified ... what international cooperation? These fighters under the guise of other people's documents travel the world under the guise of tourists ... completing tasks ...
            1. Zoldat_A
              Zoldat_A 12 December 2016 15: 56
              +2
              Quote: Holoy
              These fighters under the guise of other people's documents travel the world under the guise of tourists ... completing tasks ...

              It was with those tourists that we ate alcohol somehow. We were also tourists, only we lived in a "other hotel". I personally wouldn’t be stumped, but the command said “we need to establish contacts” ... We trained some monkeys, they trained others. The monkeys are fighting among themselves, but we have something to share - somehow the authorities reasoned and organized an informal friendly dinner, which ended in sparring. But then they still drank "awl" together ... laughing
              1. Holoy
                Holoy 12 December 2016 18: 15
                0
                Primitive thoughts ... The reality is different. These are tourists from the MTR ... for example, rub near the Presidential residence in Sochi, so that in case of something it would be nice to bring something out there ...
            2. perm23
              perm23 12 December 2016 17: 25
              +2
              Moron do not know so do not write. nonsense. They are not intelligence agents, not the CIA. We know how they work in Iran. And in Grenada. how Them builders got them there.
              1. Holoy
                Holoy 12 December 2016 18: 20
                0
                Nice to meet you... hi By the way, the CIA often uses the Green Berets, even more often than the Pentagon ... The Green Beret fighters can work independently, they have all sorts of skills, and not just intelligence ... But they need intelligence to ... for sabotage ... no way without it ...

                You lack the Depth of knowledge and intelligence ...
              2. Zoldat_A
                Zoldat_A 13 December 2016 07: 11
                +2
                Quote: perm23
                They are not intelligence agents, not the CIA. We know how they work in Iran. And in Grenada. how Them builders got them there.

                It’s a pity, you can put only one plus - it’s clear that you know what you are talking about. We still remember these Green Berets from Vietnam ... I myself didn’t get to Vietnam, the green one was still there, but the elders told me. And then he himself saw them live. Nothing special. Tourists Only suitcases with stickers are missing. Yes, and Oklahomshchina native where they learn to play heroes, not the mountains and jungles of Asia and not Africa, where there are enough any landscapes. I would say that their combat effectiveness is very exaggerated. Both in personal contact sparring and at the level of the monkeys they trained. Our monkeys ruffled their monkeys as they wanted ...
      2. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 12 December 2016 10: 34
        +3
        Quote: rotmistr60
        Yesterday "News of the week" showed a whole story about the work of our special forces in Syria with footage taken by the special forces. Very impressive. Guys-heroes do their job professionally.

        Yes, we have not only special forces, but also ordinary RAPs, not to mention ODShBr, they do such a job perfectly. We have a lot of good guys. If only there, NAVIRKHU, they would hand over the boys, like glass containers. Seen enough in the 90s in Chechnya ... Pasha-Mercedes for Chechnya separate [mat, mat, mat, mat]. And the boys will do their job ...
    3. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 12 December 2016 07: 40
      +1
      Quote: Holoy
      What are our people in Syria going to do without battalion tactical groups?

      Afghanistan-2, want to get it?
      1. Holoy
        Holoy 12 December 2016 07: 42
        0
        ... I do not want anything. Ask this question to our President!
        1. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 12 December 2016 07: 48
          0
          Quote: Holoy
          ... I do not want anything. Ask this question to our President!

          and he had already said that there wouldn’t be such a thing.
          1. Holoy
            Holoy 12 December 2016 07: 50
            +1
            Quote: Andrey Yurievich
            and he had already said that there wouldn’t be such a thing.

            So already there is ... stuck ... and that's a fact!
            1. Andrey Yuryevich
              Andrey Yuryevich 12 December 2016 08: 04
              +3
              don’t whimper .. alarmist. we are not stuck, we are there on an ongoing basis, our bases are there.
              1. Holoy
                Holoy 12 December 2016 08: 08
                +1
                ... Gee ... Using VKS alone leads only to a rise in price ... and running in a circle ... Russia got a little worse than the GIFT ... It's just that time is still not enough ... every year everything will go on increasing ... Rake, such a rake ...
                1. cap
                  cap 12 December 2016 08: 41
                  +1
                  Quote: Holoy
                  ... Gee ... Using VKS alone leads only to a rise in price ... and running in a circle ... Russia got a little worse than the GIFT ... It's just that time is still not enough ... every year everything will go on increasing ... Rake, such a rake ...


                  At least in honor of the holiday, change the cucumbers to sauerkraut,
                  and don’t draw a map with felt-tip pens; the situation changes quickly; color pencils work better. hi
                2. Xnumx vis
                  Xnumx vis 12 December 2016 15: 02
                  0
                  XY ... To go nuts! ------Everything is lost ! We all will die!! Save who can! It’s a rake, it’s a rake .----. You are a direct alarmist and provocateur!
        2. Serg65
          Serg65 12 December 2016 08: 27
          +2
          Quote: Holoy
          ... I do not want anything. Ask this question to our President!

          My dear, you didn’t answer me .... what does the 42 MRP SpN have to do with the 37 berth in Vladivostok ????? I'm all waiting and longing repeat
  4. Odysseus
    Odysseus 12 December 2016 07: 12
    +5
    The most offensive, they were left with large stocks of weapons. In general and in good condition.
    We must survive this defeat, not to twitch. First, finish all things in Aleppo. Then East Guta and Yarmouk.
    And only then the attack on ISIS.
    Otherwise, the combat-ready infantry will not be enough for everything and again a trishkin caftan will turn out.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 12 December 2016 07: 44
      +2
      Quote: Odyssey
      We must survive this defeat, not to twitch. First, finish all things in Aleppo. Then East Guta and Yarmouk.
      And only then the attack on ISIS.

      Drive not numerous Assad combat units from flank to flank? They took Palmyra, threw it to Aleppo, ISIS again takes Palmyra. We remove the parts from Aleppo, throw them to Palmyra, how long does ISIS take to go to Alepo again?
      1. Odysseus
        Odysseus 12 December 2016 08: 19
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Drive not numerous Assad combat units from flank to flank? They took Palmyra, threw it to Aleppo, ISIS again takes Palmyra. We remove the parts from Aleppo, throw them to Palmyra, how long does ISIS take to go to Alepo again?

        After the liquidation of the front in Aleppo and Eastern Ghuta, a fairly strong military group is freed up. There is an opportunity to maneuver with reserves.
        For example, leave Hezbollah in Aleppo, and transfer Iranians and Tigers to the Eastern Front against ISIS.
        In my opinion, this is more reasonable than trying to liberate Palmyra now only in cash on the Eastern Front. It is necessary to eliminate at least part of the enemy’s fronts and enclaves, otherwise this war cannot be won.
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 12 December 2016 12: 19
          +3
          "For example, leave Hezbollah in Aleppo" ///

          Do you understand what you're talking about? Leave Shiites in a Sunni city?
          Either the locals will cut them out, or they will massacre.
          1. Odysseus
            Odysseus 12 December 2016 12: 40
            0
            Quote: voyaka uh
            Do you understand what you're talking about? Leave Shiites in a Sunni city?

            Not in the city itself, west of the positions near Aleppo. In order not to get a debilitating blow from Idlib.
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 12 December 2016 13: 16
              0
              Ah ... that's another matter. So, probably it will be.
  5. Observer2014
    Observer2014 12 December 2016 07: 15
    +6
    A natural question arises: "How did they surrender Palmyra instantly?"
    And there are several reasons. The first is the betrayal of the Syrian fathers of commanders. And the second. "The game of cats and mice" Already ours. Humanitarian pauses, we do not bomb. headquarters gene. This style of work is "pull the cat by the tail". Or I also like "Choke Python rings" laughing Honestly, it just freezes more than its enemies.
    1. Observer2014
      Observer2014 12 December 2016 07: 37
      +3
      I want to add. It has already become clear that the forces of the Air Forces and Special Forces cannot solve the problem. To cover the cities that have been beaten off by the militants, ground troops are needed. Responsible for your own square if you want. Who can quickly respond to emerging threats.
      1. PHANTOM-AS
        PHANTOM-AS 12 December 2016 09: 42
        0
        Quote: Observer2014
        . It has already become clear that the forces of the Air Forces and Special Forces cannot solve the problem. For covering cities that have been beaten off by militants, ground troops are needed. Responsible for your own square if you want. Who can quickly respond to emerging threats.

        First of all, Bashar needs to declare a general mobilization, form an efficient army and hold at least what they took. Otherwise, "zinc" will continue to come to Russia.
        Soon, the bearded will have MANPADS, and this is the inevitable loss of our turntables and attack aircraft.
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 12 December 2016 09: 13
      +5
      The situation is the beginning of 8 numbers. By the way, Black writes that they spent several sleeping cells on 10-12 people in the city.

      8-9 most likely the Syrians did not even report upstairs, hoping to solve it on their own. 9 numbers knocked down posts at a dominant height. Mahr was also lost, fights went for Jazal and Dzhihar on the flank (this is many kilometers from the city, the mine).

      10 numbers apparently went reports - but it was too late. Also lost a key point - the granary. There was dug a ROP by all the rules, even archaeologists. There was art. Babahs could not take it for the first time. The second time they launched a truck (in fact, the only one recognized by them of the past events) and an assault - during which they took from half to 2 / 3 opornik. Then the remnants of the army departed. The fate of the city was decided.

      11 evacuation-departure numbers, throwing equipment. At 11-12 hours of the day, the fighters were already in the center, right here.


      Well, there’s really a lot of equipment left, and this is just the technology in the city - it’s even scary to imagine how many Cornets, Bassoons, machine guns, riflemen, cartridges and shells are left. Also equipment. At one time there was an article - outgoing units, with the approval of the command, gave full-time personal protective equipment to the Syrians. There, another captain wrote - they say I gave my body armor to the Syrian lieutenant, I didn’t have time to leave, and he already boasts a second-hand Geleksi who exchanged for my armor.
  6. Spartanez300
    Spartanez300 12 December 2016 07: 19
    0
    At least most of the civilians managed to withdraw.
  7. Same lech
    Same lech 12 December 2016 07: 26
    +3
    the Syrian army lost at least 340 people during the defense of Palmyra during Saturday and Sunday. Losses of ISIS - over five hundred dead and wounded.


    The massacre is good ... near the infantry battalion for a total of two days ... a meat grinder.
  8. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 12 December 2016 07: 26
    +5
    It's just a mess! The troops in this Syria are not at all combat-ready. Do they think that someone else will fight for the freedom of their country? Something reminiscent of the situation of the war of the 73rd year with Israel. It is worth pushing harder, and the army begins to RUN, throwing equipment. Allies wassat no words, some interjections.
    1. Dangerous
      Dangerous 12 December 2016 08: 22
      +2
      Well, this was understandable even at the beginning of the war, when they managed to surrender most of their territory, and then there was a fully combat-ready army, with tanks and aircraft.
  9. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 12 December 2016 07: 27
    0
    What will happen to the remaining 20 percent of the population is even scary to think about.
  10. Mihail177
    Mihail177 12 December 2016 07: 29
    +7
    Well, yes, now we are waiting for the medal "For the capture of Palmyra II" and the concert of Georgiev II ..... These rakes are already tired.
  11. vkl.47
    vkl.47 12 December 2016 07: 30
    +4
    Quote: Andrew Y.
    mess ... how overslept? to intelligence matters.

    No need to panic. Otherwise, it’s #SEPROPALO. Experts in intelligence. Worse than urapatriotov, liberal sofa gineralisimusy
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 12 December 2016 07: 40
      +1
      No need to panic. Otherwise, it’s #SEPROPALO. Experts in intelligence. Worse than urapatriotov, liberal sofa gineralisimusy


      Well, let people let off steam ... here is not a party meeting with like-minded people. hi
    2. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 12 December 2016 07: 43
      +4
      Quote: vkl.47
      Quote: Andrew Y.
      mess ... how overslept? to intelligence matters.

      No need to panic. Otherwise, it’s #SEPROPALO. Experts in intelligence. Worse than urapatriotov, liberal sofa gineralisimusy

      where is the panic? where is everything gone? people are angry, that's all, you don’t need to spread your fingers here ... what are you different from woofers? another couch genius ...
    3. rotmistr60
      rotmistr60 12 December 2016 07: 46
      +2
      #EVERYTHING IS LOST

      Everything is gone, no one is screaming. And about intelligence, the question was asked correctly.
  12. BOB044
    BOB044 12 December 2016 07: 47
    +4
    How so many militants with military equipment. They were not noticed and the aircraft did not strike at them. A lot of questions form.
    1. dep071
      dep071 12 December 2016 09: 25
      0
      WELL DONE! At least someone thinks. I would put a hundred stars!))
  13. 3vs
    3vs 12 December 2016 08: 29
    +2
    Again, our guys climb under the bullets, the Syrian army is worthless for the Motherland ...
    Apparently, Satanovsky is right, the VKS is about to strike at the places of accumulation of this rubbish outside the borders of Syria, at training camps, on the approach to the border with Syria ...
    Jews hit Syria and nothing ...
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 12 December 2016 09: 50
      +3
      Quote: 3vs
      Apparently, Satanovsky is right, the VKS is time to strike at the places of accumulation of this rubbish outside the borders of Syria

      for Turkish partners ?! wassat
  14. GEV67
    GEV67 12 December 2016 08: 46
    0
    Everything should be so and it should be, the main thing is to hear more often how valiant politicians once again agreed on a truce. negative
  15. senima56
    senima56 12 December 2016 08: 56
    +1
    You can say a lot, but the meaning is the same: "We are fucked up!" It is "we", but not the Syrians!
    1. dep071
      dep071 12 December 2016 09: 21
      0
      We? No need to generalize.
  16. 3vs
    3vs 12 December 2016 09: 03
    0
    Quote: senima56
    "We are fucked up!" It is "we", but not the Syrians!

    "We are fucked up!" the Syrian said this about his own people, although it looks like he lives in Russia!
  17. Serg65
    Serg65 12 December 2016 09: 07
    +2
    Alexander Romanov,

    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Maybe yes, maybe not. I personally don’t know him.

    I had to run into him on another thread and ask a few questions regarding his aptitude. Unfortunately, I did not hear the answers, he immediately disappeared and appears only in the "news" topic
    My dear, you didn’t answer me .... what does the 42 MRP SpN have to do with the 37 berth in Vladivostok ????? I'm all waiting and longing

    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 12 December 2016 09: 59
      0
      Quote: Serg65
      has to the 37th pier the city of Vladivostok ???

      Then it was necessary to add 37 mooring berth, a trading port wassat
      1. Serg65
        Serg65 12 December 2016 10: 36
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Then it was necessary to add 37 mooring berth, a trading port

        Alexander, as I understand it, you know perfectly well who is based on the 37 pier wink
        So here. the most respectable Holuay, directly with his saliva at the mouth, proved his involvement in these guys hi
  18. Erg
    Erg 12 December 2016 09: 38
    0
    Something tells me that the "fall" of Palmyra has a political motive, and not a military one. I remembered Chechnya ... So, soon the city will be "brought back".
  19. guzik007
    guzik007 12 December 2016 09: 47
    +1
    Even after our first "official departure" from Syria, he expressed his premonition that we were bogged down there for a long time.
    It seems that the "small victorious war" that Vova needed so much at one time has dragged on very long and it is terribly difficult for the Kremlin to put a good face on a bad game.
    1. Erg
      Erg 12 December 2016 09: 57
      +2
      "The main battles" are in the offices. I remember the phrase - "Have you seen a member of a mosquito? So the policy is even more subtle" ... I would not say that the Kremlin plays badly. If you follow the main vector, it is quite successful.
      1. guzik007
        guzik007 12 December 2016 10: 07
        0
        I would like to believe.
        But something tells me that "the tradition is fresh, but it's hard to believe"
        1. Erg
          Erg 12 December 2016 10: 23
          +1
          We see only the tip of the iceberg. A simple example is September 11th. Look at the position of the "world community" on these events ... The world is built on lies (to one degree or another). hi
          1. guzik007
            guzik007 12 December 2016 10: 34
            0
            Unfortunately, in such games, the winner is the one who has reserves.
            Tactical "Pyrrhic victories" are not excluded, but ... the bigger wallet always wins.
            Even in Christmas tales for a long time I do not believe
  20. Ivan Ivanov
    Ivan Ivanov 12 December 2016 10: 34
    0
    ig not suckers, not suckers those who stand behind them, I hope we will draw conclusions, especially! diplomats .. bomb-sky-bomb-fly-no-fly-dear partners
  21. Chyudilkin
    Chyudilkin 12 December 2016 10: 50
    +1
    But it seems to me (and I hope) that the commission of the palmyra is planned quietly and peacefully, by certain personalities. And I also hope that some of them now know where the baboons came from. And that, too, is somehow strange, the barmacs attacked, but there are no people, so the remnants of the shoot ran away. Let's see what happens next .....
  22. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 12 December 2016 11: 49
    +1
    If they threw it because it was malfunctioning. So the question is, why did so many equipment fail?
    In the end, it was again confirmed that in war, today as in the past, the most important infantry is a man with weapons in his hands. No aircraft, no tanks can stop the superior infantry. Today, infantry is even more important than in the past because armaments are portable guided weapons - the anti-tank and MANPADS.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 12 December 2016 12: 14
      +1
      Not. I showed 1 T-62 above - which they threw, he started up at Blacks and drove off.

      In the city, those tanks that stand on city streets are most likely in good condition and with full BC. The park may be dead. On December 9, this entire mechanic group went to the photo shoot south - so most likely most of the serviceable.

      Another BMP abandoned by Black came to life.
      1. donavi49
        donavi49 12 December 2016 12: 16
        +1
        By the way, I am apprehensively awaiting today's reports from them, with the opening of the warehouses, how many riflemen they will take, different anti-tank systems, mines, shells.
    2. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 12 December 2016 13: 25
      +3
      "No aviation, no tanks can stop superior infantry" ////

      Aviation with obsolete instruments that do not see small targets on the ground, without night vision devices and without sights for working on moving targets on the ground ... of course.
  23. Mentat
    Mentat 12 December 2016 12: 03
    0
    Quote: Stirbjorn
    Quote: Sentry73
    Otherwise, why then climbed, PR.

    Well, yes, what did you think? believe in fairy tales about the war on distant approaches ?!

    Do you believe in Nord-Ost, in Beslan, or don’t you already believe?

    I’m wondering, by the way, if you look at your IP address, will it be a Russian proxy or are you really so handsome with a white ribbon on your chest, only recently with Bolotnaya on the forum?
  24. donavi49
    donavi49 12 December 2016 12: 40
    0
    But this is already dangerous. Among the 20% remaining in Palmyra is the RAS group:
    The press service of the RAS said that Russian scientists from the expedition of the Institute of the History of Material Culture of the Academy are still in Palmyra, which again took control of the militants (banned in the Russian Federation) of the ISIS group.

    According to the agency, Interfax reports, archaeologists are not evacuatedbut the fighting does not take place in the part where they work.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 12 December 2016 13: 03
      +1
      If these archaeologists have a head on their shoulders, then they already taxied from Palmyra
  25. Londa
    Londa 12 December 2016 12: 50
    0
    Why was the city cleared at all ??? So that the militants calmly go again ??????????????
  26. Lavrenti Pavlovich
    Lavrenti Pavlovich 12 December 2016 13: 23
    +1
    The surrender of huge warehouses with weapons and ammunition that ISIS so needed is this betrayal. Why did you run? Why didn't the warehouses blow up? Why wasn't the Aerospace Forces bombed? During the Second World War, our Great Leader issued order No. 227 dated July 28, 1942 "Not a step back." The effect is positive, if in July 1942, at the beginning of the offensive of the Nazis to the Volga, the pace of advancement to the east, deep into the USSR, was sometimes measured in tens of kilometers per day, then in August they were already measured in kilometers, in September - hundreds of meters per day. In October 1942, in Stalingrad, the Germans regarded an advance of 40-50 meters as a great success. By mid-October, this "offensive" had stopped. Stalin's order "Not a step back!" was carried out literally, becoming one of the most important steps towards our victory.
  27. oleg46
    oleg46 12 December 2016 14: 53
    0
    Quote: Erg
    The world is built on a lie


    Absolutely true!
  28. mitya1941
    mitya1941 13 December 2016 07: 36
    0
    Spirits have already approached the As-tiyas airbase. Special forces and a significant part of the Russian air group in Syria were brought in to repel the attack on the airbase. As a result of a series of massive airstrikes and counterattacks, the terrorists were thrown back to their original positions of 3-4 km. east and southeast of the base.
  29. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 13 December 2016 17: 45
    0
    Quote: voyaka uh
    "No aviation, no tanks can stop superior infantry" ////

    Aviation with obsolete instruments that do not see small targets on the ground, without night vision devices and without sights for working on moving targets on the ground ... of course.

    And the most modern aviation, with the best instruments in the world, with all sights for working on double targets on the ground, will not be able and will not stop the infantry using the very simple measures of counteraction. The proof is the actions of the US and Friends coalition aviation in Iraq, including the Battle of Mosul.
    Koneno if the infantry acts like in the Middle Ages aviation will deal with it.