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On the "second front" in Palmyra

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Losing Aleppo, Western and Arab-monarchist ideologues of the great Middle Eastern chaos in Syria understand that they are losing the key to all of Syria. Understand that with all the cries about the “lawlessness of Russia and Assad in Aleppo”, the same Russia and Syria in the activities to eliminate gangs in the largest Syrian city will not stop. Deprived of the possibility of obtaining reinforcements, food and weapons from outside, unable to use the civilian population as a human shield on a massive scale, the militants are actually on their knees begging their main sponsors to do everything so that they can get out of the boiler in Aleppo.


It is clear as day: if we were talking only about ordinary "bearded boys" who had "nursed" themselves militarily, then the West would have nothing to do with them. But in Syria (and in Aleppo in particular), there is a frank collaboration of terrorist pawns with those external players, who are trying to add queens with their forces and bring their “order” on the Syrian chessboard.

Pawns are systematically rolled into the sand; pawns are a good mate, sponsors of pawns are a good mate, the comrades from the American, Turkish and Saudi special services, who started in the pawns, feel the skin on soft places, too ... And, given that the front in Aleppo was late time was in fact the only front on which the main forces of the Syrian army are concentrated, the main external sponsors of the Syrian mayhem, came up with an idea that, in their opinion, can somehow change the balance of power in the SAR.

This idea is to open a kind of "second front", since the affairs on the "first front" are such that "bearded boys" can shave their beards in a matter of days, and this will be the final point of the release of Aleppo by government forces. The opening of the "second front" against Russia and Assad in Idlib, which is under the complete control of terrorists, did not make sense, because the anti-terrorist coalition frankly leaves Idlib "for dessert." Yes, and information resonance in the case of Idlib clearly would not work.

But in Palmyra ... According to the logic of foreign developers of operations - the most it. Naturally, the fact that the campaign to free Palmyra from ISIS (forbidden in the Russian Federation) was actively highlighted, and how clear was the signal sent by Russia that Palmyra was torn out from the clutches of the barbarians and returned to the world as the pearl of the cultural heritage of the planetary scale.

Therefore, the very possibility of opening a “second front” precisely on the approaches to Palmyra is a clear attempt not only to inflict as much damage as possible to the Syrian government forces and divert certain forces from Aleppo, where instructors and advisers cook in the boiler, but also to reduce the situation to the application of information and reputational damage to Russia. Like, are you - they are transmitting concerts in the amphitheater of Palmyra to the whole world - come on, ISIS infantry, do something for which forces and funds flow into you where it is required ...

And the ISIS infantry gave ... And what else could be expected if the liberation of Palmyra was the liberation of Palmyra. No progress by tens, and even more so hundreds of kilometers north and east, did not work, if then such goals were set. The city freed from terrorists was left “under guard” of those units of the Syrian army that were supposed to, except that, indicate their presence. The rare rumble of airplanes and the whistle of helicopter propellers in the sky over the ancient city made it clear to the developers of the strategy for conducting a terrorist war in Syria that you can wait for a convenient moment (for example, weather deterioration to reduce the likelihood of use aviation VKS of the Russian Federation and Syrian Air Force), distribute forces on the most vulnerable areas for Assad forces and strike.

And so it happened. Having formed four shock groups equipped not only with ISILs familiar with machine guns, but also with armored vehicles (up to tanks), the militants climbed to Palmyra from four directions. The first strikes - with armored vehicles mined at the front lines - are a classic of ISIS terrorist tactics.

Three directions — southern, northern, and eastern — were chosen to cut off the city and its military continent ATS from the main forces in the west of the province. The igilovtsev triple strike is also a clear attempt to cut the Palmyra transport link with Homs, as well as with Damascus. These two transport arteries are truly vital for Palmyra. Progress from these three areas, including the attack from Al-Safra, allowed the ISIL militants to also cut the Syrian government forces in the city into two parts, turning them by building up their own forces in the rear directions to the boilers.

Now about the fourth direction of impact of the igilovtsevs. This is especially interesting from a tactical point of view. The fact is that the detachments, consisting of several hundred militants, attempted to block the Syrian ground reinforcements, which went in the direction of the military base Tiiyas. The “meeting” took place on December 10 on the section where the road to Huvaisis, As-Salamiya and Ham is adjacent to the Homs-Palmyra highway (this is a few kilometers from the said Tiyas base, which also hosts Russian attack helicopters).

A map published in social networks, in which terrorist formations are marked in black, eloquently indicates that for the weekend (December 10-11) the situation was truly threatening. Successful for the militants, an attempt to cut off reinforcements and deprive the contingent in Palmyra of supplies led to an unequivocal loss of the city previously liberated from the militants by the Syrian army.

Before the onset of ISIS:
On the "second front" in Palmyra


Two days after the onset of the onset of ISIS:


Situation on Sunday evening 11 December:


The situation for the Syrian troops exacerbated by bad weather, which stands in the province of Homs for several days. A series of such facts as the most accurate weather forecast for a specific area available to ISIL, the distribution of forces in critical areas, strikes aimed at dissecting the main group of forces in Palmyra, an attempt to cut off Palmyra from several main roads leading to the city, blocking the group reinforcements show only one thing: the operation was not just carefully planned, it was also planned by professionals. Even if we take into account that there are quite a few former soldiers of the Iraqi army (Saddam's army) as part of ISIS, it is hardly necessary to assume that such a thought-out tactic at the most suitable time for this was developed exclusively by former Saddam’s lieutenants. There is a high-quality preparation of the operation, the exchange of information, coordination of the actions of several thousand militants dispersed in the territory of more than 150 square. km In general, the question “where do legs grow from?” In such a situation can be considered rhetorical.

The critical situation of the Syrian troops in Palmyra forced the Syrian and Russian commanders to actively engage aviation, despite the bad weather. First of all, all-weather Mi-28Н and Ka-52 were raised in the air over Palmyra, which also attacked a group of terrorists who were trying to oppose the reinforcement approach in the area of ​​the forks on Homs and Ham. Strikes in the conditions of the strongest fog were inflicted on the militants virtually all night from Saturday to Sunday. The all-weather and nightly activity of Russian helicopters has become an unpleasant surprise for terrorists, plus a new high-quality advertisement for Russian helicopter engineering. However, they got used to the “surprise”, which was expressed in the continuation of the offensive by the Igilovites.

According to Interfax, on the militant grouping in the south of Palmyra, were used Caliber cruise missiles. The operation also involved long-range bombers of the Russian Aerospace Forces. The Syrian command decided to use six aircraft. One of them (MiG-23) on Sunday fell in the province of Homs. The officially designated reason is “technical malfunction”, although it is far more likely that the cause of adverse weather conditions for an effective air operation is suggested.

According to various sources, the total losses of Syrian troops on the morning of December 11 in Palmyra and its surroundings were more than 250 people. The largest number of dead and wounded - to the northeast of the city, where, breaking through the Syrian defense. igilovtsy even able to enter the city blocks. Information about the losses on the evening of the same day came very contradictory. One thing is clear - at least 320 people.

Thanks to air support, which allowed the Homs-Palmyra road to be unblocked, the Syrian army received reinforcements and was able to stop the terrorist attack that was so actively launched. The fighting continued. Al-Jazeera stated that the militants were able to break through to the historical center of ancient Tadmor (the name is Palmyra in the Arabic version). A few hours later, the same channel reported that the militants had completely taken control historical part of the city, while mass evacuation of the population began from the city.

In the Western, Qatari and Saudi press, they do not hide their gloating over the difficulties that Russia and Syria have to face in Palmyra these days. And this is understandable - they (also mentioned by the media) are also against terrorism ... But how else? ..

Thus, it can be stated that the tactics of opening the second terrorist front in Syria worked. The ideological inspirers of the militants achieved their goal - the Syrian army began a large-scale transfer of forces and means to Palmyra, exposing other sectors of the antiterrorist confrontation. The fact is that the Syrian army only has to learn how to consolidate victories previously obtained at great cost and keep the liberated territories. Otherwise, even the heroic deed of Lieutenant Alexander Prokhorenko near Palmyra is actually reset to the lax attitude of the Syrian command. Is this the main task of the apologists for the Syrian chaos? ..
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  1. Spartanez300
    Spartanez300 12 December 2016 05: 49
    +19
    So much effort and sacrifice was spent on the liberation of Palmyra, and so mediocre to surrender it.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 12 December 2016 05: 55
      +20
      This action was carried out in a vile form traditional for the West,


      There is no war without defeat ... you are not the LORD GOD ...
      you must answer for your mistakes or thoughtlessness, but ISIS doesn’t forgive mistakes, and you’ve been punished.

      In our history, they don’t put two of our enemies as the best examiner ... a bullet or a bomb ... in the worst case, they will cut off their heads ... here’s their score ... so it’s useless to cry ... you have to correctly learn how to fight an enemy .. . preferably not on their mistakes.
      1. Looking for
        Looking for 13 December 2016 23: 31
        -1
        Watching from whom to lose.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 12 December 2016 06: 16
      +6
      Quote: Spartanez300
      So much effort and sacrifice was spent on the liberation of Palmyra, and so mediocre to surrender it.

      And who is to blame? Again we?
      1. avia1991
        avia1991 12 December 2016 08: 09
        +8
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        And who is to blame? Again we?

        Argue with a professional? ..
        “The fact that the militants did not stop was understandable. And what we are doing today, as a military man, is difficult for me to understand - these are humanitarian pauses, in particular, ”the general added.

        Baluevsky also criticized the military leadership of Russia because of the capture of Palmyra by terrorists.

        “Whatever the Syrian army, but not to track the concentration of enemy forces in the Palmyra region <...> This is wrong. It should not be. And my colleagues who are there - I do not understand them either. The Syrians may not have the same opportunities as we do. But where did we look - if this is really so - that they took Palmyra? ”Said a high-ranking military man.

        https://www.gazeta.ru/army/news/9441971.shtml
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 12 December 2016 08: 20
          +2
          Quote: avia1991
          Baluevsky also criticized the military leadership of Russia because of the capture of Palmyra by terrorists.

          Baluevsky gathered in politics.
          1. avia1991
            avia1991 12 December 2016 08: 42
            +12
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Baluevsky gathered in politics.

            laughing !
            Bravo-bravo, Alexander: everything that does not fit with your opinion immediately gets an "objective" explanation! laughing
            The only thing I agree with is that any miscalculations, incl. military, there are specific names, "the military leadership of Russia" - this is an exaggeration.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 12 December 2016 10: 02
              +5
              Quote: avia1991
              Bravo-bravo, Alexander: everything that does not fit with your opinion immediately gets an "objective" explanation

              No, just in fact. As soon as someone receives the prefix EX, it begins to criticize everyone and everything.
              And then, who said that ours missed. Maybe they knew about the congestion and reported this to Assad or the Syrian army headquarters. Nobody knows that.
              1. Starley from the south
                Starley from the south 12 December 2016 20: 26
                +3
                Who cares if our military knew or didn’t ... In my opinion, there was a mole in the leadership of the Syrian army. Little could be done: night, fog ... But on the other hand, there is a silver lining - the militants are concentrating and Palmyra, they say there are no civilians, only ruins remained from Palmyra, majestic, but ruins, whole buildings have long been gone. So it can work on it with a more powerful weapon. It is high time to use aviation in the city.
                1. avia1991
                  avia1991 12 December 2016 20: 46
                  +1
                  Quote: Starley from the South
                  So it can work on it with a more powerful weapon.

                  Palmyra - a world historical heritage! If we get to this attitude to our history, we are worthless as civilizations.
                  1. Stena
                    Stena 13 December 2016 13: 08
                    +2
                    Quote: avia1991
                    Palmyra - a world historical heritage! If we get to this attitude to our history, we are worthless as civilizations.

                    What is more important - the old columns or the life of a soldier? When in World War 2 cities were leveled with the earth (Allied aviation) - and nothing. Here the commander is either an art critic or a military man. 2 in one - hard to combine ...
                    1. avia1991
                      avia1991 13 December 2016 20: 12
                      +1
                      Quote: Stena
                      When in World War 2 cities were leveled with land (Allied Aviation) - and nothing.
                      You yourself answered: "(Allied aircraft)"!
                      You, apparently, do not know much about the history of the Second World War, and those orders and directives that came from the Headquarters of the Supreme Commanders regarding the preservation of the cultural and historical heritage!
                      Rummage around in old school textbooks, for example: it is written specifically there, and this is not propaganda - I know from the words of real war veterans. It is precisely this attitude, respect not only for one’s own values, but also for culture, religion, the worldview of other nations — that distinguishes the Russian nation from the rest of the world. If you recall, in the history of pre-Soviet, ancient Russia there are quite a few examples! And here it will be the same.
                      And your approach is akin to the attitude of the Chukchi to a new apartment (anecdote): a fire in the middle of the room is for heating, and the claim: "you need a hole in the roof, however - there is nowhere for the smoke to go out!"
                      1. Stena
                        Stena 15 December 2016 16: 07
                        0
                        Quote: avia1991
                        You, apparently, do not know much about the history of the Second World War, and those orders and directives that came from the Headquarters of the Supreme Commanders regarding the preservation of the cultural and historical heritage!
                        Rummage around in old school textbooks, for example: it is written specifically there, and this is not propaganda - I know from the words of real war veterans. It is precisely this attitude, respect not only for one’s own values, but also for culture, religion, the worldview of other nations — that distinguishes the Russian nation from the rest of the world. If you recall, in the history of pre-Soviet, ancient Russia there are quite a few examples! And here it will be the same.
                        And your approach is akin to the attitude of the Chukchi to a new apartment (anecdote): a fire in the middle of the room is for heating, and the claim: "you need a hole in the roof, however - there is nowhere for the smoke to go out!"

                        Well hello, come ...
                        Do not confuse - respect for your values ​​and the preservation of ancient columns. And the Russian nation is distinguished from the whole world by faith, hope and love.
                        Here the war is on. When there will be an excursion - then we will talk about the values ​​of universal people .... And in the war they perform tasks. And if the old column interferes with the advancement of troops, then any normal commander will use it up. What are we talking about? Or consider real examples from history? About how all drape troops blew up bridges and crossings? About how they destroyed buildings and castles recognized as historical values? The very concept of value is conditional. And the life of a soldier is an objective value. Therefore, you can certainly confuse warm with salty, but time puts a lot in their places ...
                2. Alekseev
                  Alekseev 12 December 2016 21: 15
                  +1
                  Quote: Starley from the South
                  it didn’t cost

                  It is clear that the Syrian army has completely insufficiently motivated and trained fighters. not enough on all fronts, b] otherwise why would Iranians and Hezbollah in Syria? [/ b]
                  The "nibilized" ones sometimes scatter like cockroaches when the barmaley begin to press. and betrayal by military leaders, bribery, etc. quite likely.
                  But the seizure of Palmyra by ISIS did not succeed bloodlessly, aviation was working on them, now it is necessary to carry out an operation by the Aerospace Forces to isolate the area of ​​hostilities and, having transferred reinforcements, equalize the "isolated" to the sand of the desert.
                  And counterintelligence forces have another operation to identify traitors in the ranks of the SAA.
                3. 320423
                  320423 12 December 2016 21: 51
                  0
                  I agree with you the most worthwhile thing that the Syrians did was evacuate civilians so go ahead and with the songs. Only not aviation, but TOS Pinocchio all the more so they are available.
        2. A jacket
          A jacket 12 December 2016 13: 21
          +5
          And my colleagues who are there - I don’t understand them either

          They are there, and he is here ...
          1. Inok10
            Inok10 12 December 2016 16: 48
            +6
            Quote: Jacket
            They are there, and he is here ...

            ... yeah ... so it is ... all the more, if his memory serves right, he was in 2004-2008 ... not the best time for the RF Armed Forces ... the "box" with the storming of Palmyra opens simply ... and an enviable synchronism of actions is visible, fresh news:
            The headquarters of the international coalition led by the United States announced today the start of "a new stage of the operation to isolate the self-proclaimed capital of IS (the Islamic State terrorist group, banned in Russia), the city of Raqqa" in Syria. According to a press release distributed today, the decision was made and announced by the so-called "Syrian Democratic Forces" conducting the operation on Saturday.
            More on TASS:
            http://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/3864880
            ... the amazing thing is nearby ... and the storming of Palmyra began on Saturday ... and by some miracle, until Saturday, those same "democratic forces" did not conduct any active actions in the Raqqa region ... that is, everything that happens is terribly reminiscent of the history of the Second World War of 1944 -1945 ... when all the most efficient troops of the Wehrmacht were sent to the Eastern Front ...
            Quote article:
            Otherwise, even the heroic act of Lieutenant Alexander Prokhorenko near Palmyra is actually nullified by the slack attitude of the Syrian command. Is this not the main task of the apologists for the Syrian chaos? ..
            ... this journalistic trick has been used in vain ... doesn’t paint, Alexei Batkovich, doesn’t paint ... there isn’t any slackness ... there is a tactical understanding of superior forces if Assad removed all available reserves from the surroundings and built Stalingrad in Palmyra , then the thin isthmus of Sabbur-Atreus would have been cut ... well, the group in Palmyra would have been completely surrounded ... then it would really have been - oh ... that would have been a strategic defeat ... not to retreat nice, but tactically necessary ... hi
        3. vorobey
          vorobey 13 December 2016 07: 34
          +3
          you can argue as much as you want ... and about anything .. many factors have developed from slackness and bad weather to the desire to get even ... Aleppo is completely under the control of the SAR and the 5000 barmaley who entered Palmyra did not go to Aleppo ... our there is too little to influence the outcome, but to conduct homework on the mistakes it’s enough .. the infantry takes the city and not the VKS .. and the Syrian infantry will agree all the same, however, like the ISIS infantry. press a little now and roll back. By the way, the Western media are gloating and not a single journalist has expressed that the world heritage is again in the hands of the barbarians. everyone just describes how the leader snapped his nose. but there is one positive point ... For the videoconferencing, the work on the utilization of radical meat has increased, which means we will increase training
      2. seos
        seos 14 December 2016 20: 36
        0
        This is a lite retelling of the Syrian version of events without basic details ...
    3. arkadack
      arkadack 12 December 2016 06: 16
      +14
      Nothing has been handed over there yet. This offensive, if not expected, was fully foreseen. Another conversation is the training and motivation of the Syrian army. Not even a question - a problem. As for information ... All the successes of the terrorists "friendly media" began to cover minutes after the start of the offensive. And they talked about the capture of the city by the militants. Therefore, what the author is right about is that the action was planned, so to speak, by the "political leadership". In general, there are doubts about the detailed awareness of the author and his good intentions. So dashingly and with enviable persistence he describes the problems of the Russian army, blinking at the worries about the fatherland, while the "favorite" thesis of the liberals, such as "everything is lost", can already be seen. So ... We are still holding the city and ... "I think we will, Comrade Stalin."
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 12 December 2016 06: 20
        +6
        Quote: arkadack
        If this was not expected, then they fully anticipated it.

        Of course, that is why Palmyra fell.
        Quote: arkadack
        We are still holding the city and ... "I think we will, Comrade Stalin."

        What kind of city are you holding onto sitting on your sofa ??? Some slogans sits pushing.
        Quote: arkadack
        In general, there are doubts about the detailed knowledge of the author and his good intentions.

        Go to Syria
        1. Same lech
          Same lech 12 December 2016 06: 37
          +7
          Go to Syria


          ALEXANDER can’t send people to a slaughterhouse ... what's the point if we even send a million fighters from monitors and computers to this hell ... it's not BATTLEFILD-2 shooters ... corpses cannot pave the way to PALMIRA belay .
          Let’s leave this business to our special forces ... they know their business well ... though there are few of them for thousands of barmales.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 12 December 2016 06: 41
            +9
            Quote: The same LYOKHA
            .. what's the point if we even tear a million fighters from monitors and computers into this hell ... it's not a BATTLEFIELD-style shooter

            In order to send him there, he will still have to manage to catch him. The keyboard characters, only slogans sit push.
            Hurray-ours go to Syria-ISIS Khan. 2 months, I give a tooth.
            Kuzya goes to Syria-URA ISIS kirdyk. 1 month, give-false tooth
            1. Same lech
              Same lech 12 December 2016 06: 45
              +8
              Hurray-ours go to Syria-ISIS Khan. 2 months, I give a tooth.
              Kuzya goes to Syria-URA ISIS kirdyk. 1 month, give-false tooth


              smile Likely to the dentist will be a big turn.
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      2. Volodin
        12 December 2016 06: 44
        +19
        Quote: arkadack
        So famously and with enviable persistence describes the problems of the Russian army, mowing under the surviving for the fatherland,

        And what are you mowing under when you write "we still hold the city"? Are you holding him there on your sofa, or do you think Palmyra was held by the Russian army? Before writing comments, at least read the article carefully and news reports.

        Where in the text about the "problems of the Russian army"?

        And to the obvious problems with discipline and combat capability of the Syrian army, weave Comrade Stalin - absolutely, excuse me, "like a puddle ..."
        1. arkadack
          arkadack 12 December 2016 08: 35
          +3
          Hello. I read the article from cover to cover. As well as some of your others. By the way, they are quite recognizable even if you don't know the author in advance. (I congratulate you, you have your own creative style.) The circle of interests is even guessed. Therefore, I came to this conclusion about their objectivity and information content. You don't even know great quotes from great people. We will not say anything about the sofa, more "rudeness is the first sign of the absence of arguments." Comments are not an article. I try to be brief. The only thing that I have not yet understood is that you turned them upside down, i.e. for what reason. Didn't understand anything, or what intent do you have? .... There is an assumption about the information you are setting out. Most likely you do not check it. You sketch everything in a row, guess - good, no - well, to hell with him. The main thing is to express colorfully, more details ... Here, too, most users do not bother too much.
          1. Volodin
            12 December 2016 12: 49
            +3
            Quote: arkadack
            rudeness is the first sign of the absence of arguments


            Here I am about the same ... Sergei, if you had them (arguments), you would, firstly, not be rude in your 1st comment (you would not hurt to reread it), and secondly, instead of dust in the eyes with "Comrade Stalin" (which I personally regard as a strange attempt to trite to collect "plus signs"), they would have brought at least some refutation of the materials presented in the article. What's not true about it? The fact that ISIS members entered Palmyra? That they were well prepared for this offensive? Or the fact that the operation to defend the city by the Syrian army as a whole failed, despite the help of the Russian Aerospace Forces and such heroes as the aforementioned Lieutenant Prokhorenko, provided during the liberation of the city from the Basmachi?

            In general, the denials - in the studio ... And if they are not, then

            Quote: arkadack
            We won't keep silent about the sofa

            If you are with yourself on you, then it is really better to remain silent.
          2. Besmaster
            Besmaster 12 December 2016 13: 42
            +3
            Strange comment. It looks like either a personal dislike, or a custom comment. What did the author of the article lie about ?. Is it that the bearded men in Aleppo need an exit opportunity and the sponsors decided to divert the Syrian army ?. Or is it a lie that the palmyra was missing?
    4. Rom14
      Rom14 12 December 2016 07: 01
      +11
      Consequences of the "truce" with the Basmachis, Kerry knew what to do. Purely out of curiosity, maybe someone knows - our military in the General Staff has at least one Analyst, well, or a scout with a transistor receiver of the "Alpinist" type to listen to the enemy ??? An operation of this magnitude has been preparing for more than one day ... It is a pity for the dead soldiers ...
      1. rvRomanoff
        rvRomanoff 12 December 2016 08: 00
        +3
        In the next article on a similar topic, I already wrote in the comments about the Kursk Bulge; I will especially mention Kharkov for you (March 1943). Need to continue, or think for yourself? Where can I get two additional divisions in a country, half of the population of which wipes his pants in these your Europe?
    5. vkl.47
      vkl.47 12 December 2016 08: 29
      +5
      Try with the reservists to defend the city from a trained enemy who is superior in number and skill to you. As naive as children. All forces are thrown into Aleppo. They won’t forgive in the palmyra. The task is not the same. They will be knocked out of there. It’s not as simple as a sofa to appear.
      1. Atheist 13
        Atheist 13 12 December 2016 08: 51
        +1
        Palmyra, these are the ruins near which the Syrian village is located, 500 meters from the city of Tadmar, not? So Palmyra or Tadmar passed?
    6. xetai9977
      xetai9977 12 December 2016 11: 22
      +4
      The Ishilovites took large trophies there. In general, I must admit, their command is quite high, and ordinary soldiers are disciplined and distinguished by a high military spirit. Here are shots from captured Palmyra
      http://warsonline.info/siriia/novosti/siriia/isla
      mskoe-gosudarstvo-zakhvatilo-palmiru.html
    7. perm23
      perm23 12 December 2016 12: 48
      +2
      This is war. and the opponents here are very strong and trained. So do not panic ahead of time. The enemy is very strong and treacherous. and the Syrian army is very worn out and small.
    8. 1rl141
      1rl141 12 December 2016 13: 23
      +2
      Quote: Spartanez300
      So much effort and sacrifice was spent on the liberation of Palmyra, and so mediocre to surrender it.

      "Tell me, uncle, it's not for nothing
      Moscow burned by a fire
      It was given to the Frenchman. "
      What further was everyone knows. And there is nothing to drizzle and cry. This is not the end.
  2. westland
    westland 12 December 2016 06: 18
    +7
    I admit that I don’t understand the conduct of modern wars and not modern ones either, but in my opinion, when a bearded earhooks in the desert stick, everything just needs to be burned with cluster munitions, and not a caliber run over 1000 km so that it directly hits someone alone and gives amnesty to thousands, and so it is not when it does not end.
  3. Deniska999
    Deniska999 12 December 2016 06: 20
    +11
    The Palmyra castle, the Syrians stormed the month, surrendered in a day. A vivid example of weak discipline. Plus left a bunch of weapons, armored vehicles.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 12 December 2016 06: 30
      +3
      Plus left a bunch of weapons, armored vehicles.


      They’re running fast ... but there’s no strength or desire to take all this out ... the Russians will make up for the shortage ... however, our staff officers are also good ... they shouldn’t give weapons to anyone and anywhere ... anyway will fall into the hands of the enemy.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 12 December 2016 06: 37
      +5
      Quote: Deniska999
      Palmyra Castle Syrians stormed a month, surrendered in a day

      Today I already wrote about this in another topic, I repeat.
      This proves that the Syrian army of Nichrome is not combat ready. And it is not able to withstand in open combat, even while on the defensive, even with the support of our Air Force.
      1. Atheist 13
        Atheist 13 12 December 2016 13: 52
        +1
        Medals to them for passing Palmyra laughing
  4. Atheist 13
    Atheist 13 12 December 2016 06: 43
    0
    Palmyra is not ours ....
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 12 December 2016 06: 50
      +5
      Quote: Atheist 13
      Palmyra is not ours ...

      Astana is yours
      1. Atheist 13
        Atheist 13 12 December 2016 06: 58
        +2
        Astana is not mine laughing
  5. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 12 December 2016 06: 50
    +7
    but also reduce the situation to inflicting information and reputation damage on Russia

    This is understandable. But it becomes sad when you read and hear in the news about Palmyra. It is sad that they did not seem to know that the United States was pushing the militants from Mosul to Syria, as if there was no aviation or space intelligence, which simply had to fix the concentration of the militants, as if they did not understand that the United States would prepare a new dirty trick. Rejoiced in the victories and partial liberation of Alepo, relaxed? So think what you want, but the reality is not hospitable.
  6. solovald
    solovald 12 December 2016 06: 53
    +6
    The times of Carthage, the Moors are long gone - this, in its time, was convincingly proved by Israel, snapping like seeds of the army of Egypt, Syria, etc. in the Arab-Israeli wars. Now on BV the real fighters (as in Afghanistan) are those whom we call "barmaley", it is they who can disperse a small number of hundreds of Assad soldiers equipped in modern uniforms and weapons. Civil war, by definition, only ends with a Pyrrhic victory. Only the beneficiaries will win. Hence the moral - not to be at a broken trough.
  7. skarl
    skarl 12 December 2016 07: 15
    +6
    I see, among the Russians there are even more trolls than among the Ukrainians, the khan, they all pissed off ... sit and get clever ... especially Mr. Alexander the troll’s novels are still the same ....
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 12 December 2016 07: 24
      +5
      Quote: skarl
      especially Mr. Alexander Romanov, the troll is still one ....

      Yes, such as you are not a sin to touch. One Hurray and more nifig. It’s not your relatives who die there, cheers do not yell.
  8. basmach
    basmach 12 December 2016 07: 29
    +9
    A year ago, he left a comment on the Syrian army. Unlike most of the writers here, I happened to be in the SAR on a business trip to 95. I also talked with other advisers. Opinion is not an army, a bunch of people with weapons. Yes, there are individual fighters and even units that are able and able to fight, but in general, at the seams. And all this war (already 5 years soon) all this proves
  9. SPACE
    SPACE 12 December 2016 07: 30
    +6
    the loose attitude of the Syrian command

    When he reports on victories, they talk about the outstanding generals of the Russian command, as a failure and the slackness of the Syrians. Of course, perhaps there is some truth in this, then it shows that at the level of strategic planning, Russia is only partially involved, which is hard to believe. Therefore, I think this is still a flaw of the Russian generals, even if we assume the low resilience of the Syrians, then this factor should be taken into account by them. Recently, the low activity of the militants against the background of Aleppo, was suspicious that something was wrong here, it was too early to rejoice, everything could not be simple and easy, I was sure that they would hit in another place, I assumed it would be Der-e-zor or Palmyra, on the place of the militants would have done so. By the way, these events confirm the good military and organizational talent of the "command" of the militants. In any case, one can state that, first, poor forecasting and vision of the situation by the military, the second, it seems, is not the first time, and it was not possible to prepare a plan and reserves to stop such possible threats. Learning from mistakes is a good lesson.
    1. Rom14
      Rom14 12 December 2016 10: 32
      +1
      Actually, after drying down by the Turks, it was possible to grab hold of the UM ...
  10. Polkanov
    Polkanov 12 December 2016 07: 37
    +2
    Quote: Atheist 13
    Astana is not mine laughing

    ... so it is - Tselinograd ...
  11. astronom1973n
    astronom1973n 12 December 2016 07: 38
    +5
    Following the logic that "the militants must be forgiven and released," there will be no sense. It is equivalent to pouring from empty to empty. If we had released the Germans during the Second World War, then victory would not have been seen! And the barmaleevs, or whatever they are, need to go to a prisoner camp and filter them, or to work to rebuild the country. And so ... They were released from one place, they ran to another. It got wet, start over! And there is no other dialogue, I gave up - to the camp, no - to the expense!
  12. astronom1973n
    astronom1973n 12 December 2016 07: 42
    +4
    Quote: skarl
    I see, among the Russians there are even more trolls than among the Ukrainians, the khan, they all pissed off ... sit and get clever ... especially Mr. Alexander the troll’s novels are still the same ....

    Yes, Romanov is right! What is he wrong about? Was the intelligence slammed, or was it that our servicemen were dying because of headaches while planning?
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  14. Volzhanin
    Volzhanin 12 December 2016 09: 01
    +8
    Our authorities were suctioned off at the Americans. The Omerzikos ruffle our patience as they want, and they are glad to be deceived. Well, right, like fools on a rope. Oh, it’s funny and sad to look at the miserable gimmicks of our spineless inconsistent authorities.
    Continue to enthusiastically lick Anglo-Saxon dupes! What more could you wish for our liberal pack in the EP brand.
  15. cariperpaint
    cariperpaint 12 December 2016 09: 37
    0
    why did they disperse? Does anyone know the details? there will be normal komenty from MO then discuss. and now it’s blah blah blah show some sort of ... but about intelligence ... and who said that it is not? but how to close the holes there? inflatable soldiers?
  16. Patsyk on Motsyk
    Patsyk on Motsyk 12 December 2016 09: 47
    +7
    As one comment was correctly noted (not here) - while the CHILDREN of our bureaucrats study, stay and live in all sorts of England and other zabugony "brothels" - then we will arrange "truces" to the detriment of ourselves and our state ... do you think that our leadership did not understand all the consequences of these "truces"? (After all, in the same place - in the General Staff there are certainly NOT CHILDREN sitting and they understood everything) It's just that when "your eggs" are in the hands of the enemy, you have to look back at these "eggs" and think about the consequences. And this is just one of the reasons for what happened.
  17. Mihail55
    Mihail55 12 December 2016 10: 03
    +2
    Quote: cariperpaint
    why did they disperse? Does anyone know the details? there will be normal komenty from MO

    Already the second day has gone. So far, only scanty information from our media !!! The victories of the generals sounded very clearly about victories, but now? Hence the speculation and non-remembering
    1. Rom14
      Rom14 12 December 2016 10: 48
      +5
      While Konashenkov is in shock, he is silent. But it’s clear, the vile Americans are to blame. The only thing that is very unfortunate is the death of people for the sake of rotten politics ... I don’t believe that our intelligence was not aware of the large-scale operation, which took several days to prepare ...
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    3. cdrt
      cdrt 12 December 2016 13: 59
      +2
      victory has many fathers and only defeat is an orphan
  18. astronom1973n
    astronom1973n 12 December 2016 10: 45
    0
    Quote: cariperpaint
    why did they disperse? Does anyone know the details? there will be normal komenty from MO then discuss. and now it’s blah blah blah show some sort of ... but about intelligence ... and who said that it is not? but how to close the holes there? inflatable soldiers?

    Close the holes? Why completely close the column on the march? You don’t know the answer? Then back to the military school!
  19. Evgenijus
    Evgenijus 12 December 2016 10: 52
    +4
    War is not only victories. Yes, there was a miscalculation, they did not take into account the "leading" role of "Western partners" and overseas ones as well. Palmyra today is largely a miscalculation of our politicians. Why don't we criticize our Foreign Ministry with its analytical apparatus? After all, they had to predict the course of ISIS in Palmyra, convey the possible development of events to the military, to our General Staff. Where did the thousands of militants from the liberated cities of Syria go to? They said that they were released with their families to Idlib. Yes, the bearded men brought their wives, and themselves - under Palmyra. After all, they knew that Obama had allowed the "unarmed" opposition to be armed, immediately after the encirclement of Aleppo's militants.
  20. pts-m
    pts-m 12 December 2016 12: 17
    0
    It looks like a tactical trick ... trap, but potooooohm .... again bast yes bastard start over ...
  21. Semurg
    Semurg 12 December 2016 12: 38
    0
    Quote: Polkanov
    Quote: Atheist 13
    Astana is not mine laughing

    ... so it is - Tselinograd ...

    Akmolinsk-Tselinograd-Akmola-Astana.
  22. Ostup bender
    Ostup bender 12 December 2016 12: 52
    +3
    For half a century, the tactics of the "barmaley", so to speak, have not changed. In this war, they became insolent to the point that they could hold the city for a long time. With an alliance, they did not allow such impudence. The barmaley have not even switched to their usual tactics, partisan. This is just to come.
  23. mikh-korsakov
    mikh-korsakov 12 December 2016 13: 46
    +4
    "Everyone imagines himself a strategist seeing the battle from the side" (Sh. Rustaveli). I do not in any way consider myself even a tactician of modern warfare, but the devil is pushing me to bring my own five kopecks into the discussion. I remember how our leadership assumed the posture of humanism and ordered the organization of humanitarian corridors in Aleppo in the hope of removing civilians. The pauses lasted for weeks, no one left Aleppo. Our military leadership asked VVP to stop this comedy, but he remained adamant, they say, maybe something else will come out. The West did not appreciate the kindness of GDP, and became more and more impudent in insults, receiving only verbal answers. They pulled the rubber. Then it burst, the barmaley people were driven from Aleppo, but the time was lost. The West continued hysterics, but notes of respect began to appear in it. for winners are respected. During this time, the enemy managed to gain a foothold and won a local victory in Palmyra. What is the bottom line? Palmyra as a symbol of Russia's fight against ISIS has been lost. The West still spits at us, but there are notes of celebration. The Aleppo case is not over. Repetitions of surprise attacks on Syrian cities are possible. The question arises, why are our Aerospace Forces in Syria? If they want to rid the world of ISIS, they will not achieve this, because the issue is resolved on the ground, teaching Syrian troops to fight is a long history. That is, a fork appears in the head, expressed in a rough form by a proverb. "Either before ... be, or at ... be"
  24. fa2998
    fa2998 12 December 2016 13: 46
    +3
    Quote: cariperpaint
    Does anyone know the details?

    I don’t know all the details, but I know for sure- 1) the Syrian desert is not the Belarusian woodland or the Ardennes. 2) The air is completely ours (Russian Aerospace Forces and the SAR Air Force). Otherwise, there is complete misunderstanding.
    How can such a concentration of militants be allowed, with armored vehicles, pickups, suicide vehicles, thousands of barmaley! Where did the UAVs and the vaunted satellites who read newspapers from outer space go? It has long been clear to the Syrians (let them not be offended, but "those warriors"), but there was hope on our videoconferencing, on preventive strikes-detection-destruction.
    This is there for a long time! They took Aleppo, lost Palmyra again. Well, at least we had a concert! hi
    R S.-Some kind of angry comment turned out, but evil takes everything about victories, but then the generals are all silent!
    1. T-130
      T-130 12 December 2016 22: 53
      +1
      Well, they also do not plan to be fools, all movements (there are not such great distances for several hours at most) were made in bad weather and in fog, when an ordinary drone is simply often useless, well, the operation was most likely developed not by bearded ones, but by their sponsors!
  25. cdrt
    cdrt 12 December 2016 13: 55
    +1
    Only everyone has long understood that for staff work on the side of Assad we, our own advisers, flock.
    And just a few days ago, they admired the amazing work of the headquarters during the assault on Aleppo.
    And now, as the strike was splashed, and at the operational-tactical level, so are the Syrians.
    Baluevsky is right - our flight is that the intelligence did not reveal either preparation or access to the source, nothing.
    Worked out in a fire mode.
    1. Hierarch
      Hierarch 12 December 2016 14: 10
      +1
      And she had this training? What, it was necessary to nominate an army? There was no one in Palmyra. Only "bribes" at checkpoints.

      And stop writing about "defeat". Palmyra is essentially an unimportant village. If not considered from the point of view of archaeologists essno ...
  26. Mihail55
    Mihail55 12 December 2016 14: 19
    +1
    I don’t understand who OUR media work for? Have noodles become cheaper for the people? News as before in Pravda in two lines or should we wait for Solovyov at night? And, unfortunately, not everyone goes to VO!
    I want to believe in the best, but the momentary is not happy!
  27. Vasya Sharapov
    Vasya Sharapov 12 December 2016 14: 38
    +3
    these swings in Syria will be very long. in my opinion, we need to determine exactly why we are there. if for a long time and no matter what, then a different approach is needed. take the young men to our schools as well (artillery, tanks, infantry, etc., etc.) educate them, motivate them to return to their homeland so that they have something to lose besides life (because you can try to save life by trying to escape) and discipline needs to be iron. but it’s expensive and most importantly for a long time and one more question .. what is it here we are bombing here we are not bombing. we climbed into the war are killing our citizens and we are truce gum corridors ... nonsense. and we will run after them all over Syria ??
  28. den-protector
    den-protector 12 December 2016 15: 26
    +3
    It’s too early to throw bonnets into the air, the struggle for peace in Syria and the whole world will be long and bloody. Patrons of terrorists want to squeeze everything out of the most losing situation, fight off their bloody loot. Burn them in hell. They say that the Syrian army is experiencing a large shortage of military personnel, and in Europe there are a lot of men among refugees, let's say, of draft age. I understand that sitting on the couch is easy to reason, but I, as a Russian, cannot understand why young men are massively felling to hell, and not defending their homeland. Arab mentality or what?
  29. Deck
    Deck 12 December 2016 16: 06
    +3
    Maybe it wasn’t in such a hurry?

    1. PHANTOM-AS
      PHANTOM-AS 12 December 2016 23: 38
      +1
      Quote: Deck
      Maybe it wasn’t in such a hurry?

      Now there will be "For the capture of Palmyra-2"
  30. dzvero
    dzvero 12 December 2016 16: 54
    +3
    My 5 cents ...
    The situation with Palmyra revealed several important points.
    BV and Syria including - a 'patchwork quilt' from different tribes. Yesterday's "ally" today will go over to the enemy and say that it was so. Or he will simply leave the position because he is scared and generally gets shot and may even be killed.
    The bulk of the Syrian army is not combat-ready. Separate units do not generally weather. If they are put together in a fist, as in Allepo, then the combat mission will be performed as it should, but the remaining directions will be very vulnerable.
    The command of the Russian contingent is unlikely to "sleep through" the situation. To draw conclusions you need to know everything about the situation at the moment. In my opinion, the barmaley used the tactics of 'flash mob' - they dispersed to the exit positions and gathered in tactical groups just before the attack. The distances are not too long - 150-250 km, and in the presence of transport, such an action will require half a day. Attacking small groups is time consuming. Apparently the VKS worked on the largest groups with 'boxes', but could not stop the wave.
    Regarding the motivation of the Syrian defenders. It is not known how many really combat-ready people were in the city at that time. It is possible that the Syrian command preferred to evacuate its citizens and give the city over than risk a siege. I am sure that Black would never have agreed to a truce, a corridor for civilians and convoys with humanitarian assistance. And the west would not hit a finger on a finger.
    So I would not be in a hurry to accuse the Russian command of carelessness and so on. Yes, the loss of Palmyra is a painful shot in the image, but sometimes it’s better to lose in the small than lose everything.
    By the way, all these cards distort the picture. In Syria, there is no continuous front with trenches and other delights of trench warfare. Fighting proceeds in directions and strong points play an important role. The closest analogue is Rommel and the British in North Africa.
  31. Disorder
    Disorder 12 December 2016 17: 33
    +1
    Barmaley in Aleppo it will not help.
    It is possible that this operation has nothing to do with Aleppo. Taking advantage of the fact that the main forces of the SAR were deployed in Aleppo, other barmalei concentrated their forces near Palmyra.
  32. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 12 December 2016 17: 36
    +3
    1. Aviation, drones, satellites all this did not stop several thousand people with a certain amount of technology secretly concentrate and suddenly attack. And UTB in an empty area! Why the terrain is not mined is also unclear.
    2. Aviation, tanks and heavy artillery did not help to maintain a position with a ratio of no more than 3 to 1 in favor of the attackers (or maybe it really hit 2 to 1?).
    3. Volunteers (both among Islamists and in the Syrian army) are better than professionals!
    4. Well-armed, trained and motivated infantry with mortars up to 120 mm, melee MLRS, portable RPGs, ATGMs and MANPADS, reconnaissance drones - this is the most effective way to wage war.
    It is necessary to restore the mass typesetting of the army.
    1. Vasya Sharapov
      Vasya Sharapov 12 December 2016 18: 15
      0
      let the barmalei not go in a herd of five thousand heads. gagged before the attack and in front of the mines. volunteers do not win the war. you need amia, and it’s not enough to dial it. still need to be trained and the succession of generations is also welcome. In short, it’s a long business, but without this, my opinion will eventually be torn apart by Syria
    2. dvaposto
      dvaposto 16 December 2016 19: 41
      0
      https://youtu.be/_PE3dpFOlWM
      Chronicle of the fall of Palmyra
      http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/3127572.html
  33. Stilet
    Stilet 12 December 2016 18: 14
    +1
    How all this infuriates me !! Russia has secured so much money for all these bombing and shelling, maneuvers of the AUG and the air force, somersaulting with sanctions ... and the Syrian army is surrendering the city. It is time for Mr. Assad to take his generals for maracas or something, or get there yourself with a stick. It is necessary to turn the tide with a lack of discipline in the root, maybe right up to executions. Well, what to do then? Hands breed something! How much will they run? And tomorrow, the IG will again be at the walls of Aleppo? To start all over again? It’s time for us to stop being nannies. Why did A. Prokhorenko die?
  34. libivs
    libivs 12 December 2016 18: 17
    +3
    Who else doubts that mixing in Syria is serious and for a long time? And without any prospect of victory. In the best case, we only have to get an airbase and Tartus. All other profits, apparently, will be received by "partners" and co, whose determination and attitude have been clearly demonstrated to us in exchange for incomprehensible and suspicious "humanitarian pauses" ala the Chechen war. Maybe you should do something more useful for yourself - the Galician-Kiev gang?
    1. OLD FART
      OLD FART 12 December 2016 21: 13
      0
      Quote: libivs
      Does anyone still doubt that kneading in Syria is serious and for a long time? And without any prospect of victory. In the best case, we should only get an air base and Tartus.

      Along the way, things will be so ... (variable success ..) ..
      Quote: libivs
      All other profits, apparently, will be received by "partners" and co, whose determination and attitude have been clearly demonstrated to us in exchange for incomprehensible and suspicious "humanitarian pauses" ala the Chechen war.

      There, our territory was also the border with the Fin. flows and weapons could be blocked (and even our traitors, to train Berezovsky, for example, well, in a downward direction)
      Quote: libivs
      Maybe you should do a more useful occupation for yourself - the Galician-Kiev gang?

      And here the second Syria can form ...! I have already written more than once, it is necessary to work with Israel tightly ... They all have all the levers there .. Just do not need to shout that I am anti-Semite, etc. This is not true! ... (there they have a lobby all over the world and financial flows, also in their hands ..))) We need to try to negotiate, or even then force to push ... (how? well, you can think of and Russia has different opportunities ..)))) Oh wei, as they say .. bully
  35. 1536
    1536 12 December 2016 19: 33
    +1
    It is felt that a limited contingent of our troops in Syria is indispensable. Bandits get paid a lot. And Kerry and Biden climbed into the US Treasury with their feet, they don’t count money. We cannot pay this to Syrian soldiers. Therefore, one must either leave, sit at the bases and watch Assad urinate or fight for real. Not a single bandit can withstand a well-planned attack by regular professional troops. Syria is not Afghanistan. In Syria there are no mountain inaccessible areas. Everything is visible in the palm of your hand.
    1. PHANTOM-AS
      PHANTOM-AS 12 December 2016 23: 35
      +1
      Quote: 1536
      It is felt that without a limited contingent of our troops in Syria can not do

      It’s unknown to fight for what or for whom, something is not a hunt.
    2. Stena
      Stena 13 December 2016 13: 20
      0
      Quote: 1536
      It is felt that a limited contingent of our troops in Syria is indispensable. Bandits get paid a lot. And Kerry and Biden climbed into the US Treasury with their feet, they don’t count money. We cannot pay this to Syrian soldiers. Therefore, one must either leave, sit at the bases and watch Assad urinate or fight for real. Not a single bandit can withstand a well-planned attack by regular professional troops. Syria is not Afghanistan. In Syria there are no mountain inaccessible areas. Everything is visible in the palm of your hand.

      The question is - what are the goals of the operation of the Russian troops (VKS) in Syria? The task of fighting for the Syrians and returning them to their statehood with our blood was not set (judging by the official media). Destroy terrorists, especially from the North Caucasus and the countries of the former USSR - yes. So why is there a "limited contingent"? (although the presence of an air force base and a fleet implies such a contingent) ...
  36. Prince of Pensions
    Prince of Pensions 12 December 2016 22: 11
    0
    The first strikes - with armored vehicles mined at front-line positions - are a classic of ISIS terrorist tactics.
    What effectively resists against such bombs on wheels?
    1. PHANTOM-AS
      PHANTOM-AS 12 December 2016 23: 33
      0
      Quote: Prince of Pensions
      What effectively resists against such bombs on wheels?

      ATGMs, mines, RPGs, and yes to the fig nomenclature.
    2. aiden
      aiden 13 December 2016 02: 25
      0
      concrete blocks and mines
  37. T-130
    T-130 12 December 2016 22: 47
    +1
    Considering the armament available to the ATS (and Russia doesn’t fit for long), the armament of several thousand assembled militants in Palmyra is just a gift! If I’m not mistaken, the Solntsepeki, which is in service with the ATS, can cover 20 hectares in one gulp. And what of that Palmyra for the battery of such cars? it is especially important that the inhabitants were taken out, now all living things can be destroyed there, and at the same time, the architecture or what is left of it will not suffer!
    1. sa-ag
      sa-ag 13 December 2016 11: 51
      +1
      Quote: T-130
      armament of several thousand assembled militants in Palmyra - it's just a gift!

      And what are they sitting there waiting for? They came took trophies and went on to Homs
  38. aiden
    aiden 12 December 2016 23: 22
    +1
    They write that they are storming the air base near Palmyra, where VKS helicopters are located. A few breakthrough attempts were repulsed, there is half reinforced from ours and tigers
  39. antivirus
    antivirus 13 December 2016 09: 36
    0
    Even if you consider that there are a lot of former members of the Iraqi army (Saddam’s army) in ISIS, it’s hardly worth considering that such a well-considered tactics of action in itself
    Did the "partners" plan? Did you understand psychology and know the mentality?
  40. sa-ag
    sa-ag 13 December 2016 11: 47
    +1
    Assad follows the path of Najibullah, and what is happening in Syria resembles Afghanistan, with the difference that in Afghanistan they still managed to build something and drive the spirits ... the final will be with the division of Syria into zones of influence
  41. Avas2006
    Avas2006 13 December 2016 17: 05
    +1
    In Aleppo, the Kurds "felled" the territory east of their Sheikh Maqsood: Bustan al Pasha, Sheikh Khader and Hellok districts. What does it mean? Expansion, contract, or took their own?
  42. Chaos
    Chaos 13 December 2016 21: 18
    +1
    About videoconferencing. The pilots came for lunch at the flight canteen. One of them raises the voice to the waitress. - And where is the jam that I did not eat for breakfast? that poor to the chief of the dining room. He runs to the store, bring him this jam. Isn't this flyer dropping bombs anywhere in Syria now and escaping to the base in afterburner? Where did the pilots and helicopter pilots shoot if the barmalei took the city almost without loss? The effectiveness of the videoconferencing system is 0 point. Knights, swifts where? aerobatics, VKS elite train for parades?
  43. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 14 December 2016 11: 03
    0
    Quote: Alekseev
    And counterintelligence forces have another operation to identify traitors in the ranks of the SAA.

    So Assad is afraid to do this - the "non-friendly" Western media will immediately accuse him of terror against his army, although there is no such army in Syria now! hi
  44. Lionov
    Lionov 14 December 2016 11: 43
    0
    In the East, there is a saying that a donkey loaded with gold opens the gates of any fortress better than any army. The palmira was banally surrendered, whether we like it or not, but this is so. Absolutely the same scenario happened a little over a year ago, associated with the defeat of the second most powerful and fighting units of the Syrian army of the 52nd division in the province of Deraa in the year 15. How could it happen that several hundred rebels managed to capture the base - one of the largest and most important in Syria during an 8-hour battle? But it’s very simple, more than thirty tanks a day before and all heavy weapons left the base and evaporated in an unknown direction , all the officers packed their bags and disappeared with the commander. After the base was decapitated and gave the command to storm. It seems that we still learn a lot of interesting things about the re-capture of Palmyra.
  45. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 14 December 2016 17: 14
    0
    Some kind of inferiority complex! In place of taking advantage of the confusion of the bandits to crush them without a "breath" without letting them come to their senses, we constantly looked back at the Western crap, reporting almost every step we took, constantly pauses, as a result of which we got what we should have to get with such a policy - a stab in the back from these same crap! When it comes to our leadership that if they have undertaken to destroy the thugs, then we must do it decisively and promptly without looking back at the Western "humanists", otherwise we will receive "palmyras" and pay with the lives of our soldiers and the losses of allies!
  46. Radikal
    Radikal 14 December 2016 22: 19
    0
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Quote: avia1991
    Baluevsky also criticized the military leadership of Russia because of the capture of Palmyra by terrorists.

    Baluevsky gathered in politics.

    In the sense - "myself"?
  47. runway
    runway 15 December 2016 11: 00
    0
    "Those who served in the army do not laugh in the circus."
    And what do you expect if politicians start to lead the fighting. As a result - weekly and even monthly "truces", the cessation of bombing, and the removal of (alive!) Terrorists from the city by buses .... The operational management of the General Staff in this situation is not to be envied. Yuri Nikolaevich Baluyevsky, of course, has a lot of experience in managing military groupings, but he, in this situation, could not help when the situation resembles "Trishkin's caftan".
    The situation will radically change not with the capture of Aleppo, Palmyra or some other city, but when ISIS sponsors - the USA and the EU cease to feed terrorists with money and weapons.
  48. Des10
    Des10 15 December 2016 14: 53
    0
    How to believe now Volodin and VO, eh?
    Here is a description of an eyewitness:
    http://amdn.news/podrobnoie-opisaniie-ataki-igil-
    na-pal-miru-ot-uchastnika-boiev-pierievod-s-arabs
    kogho
  49. Des10
    Des10 15 December 2016 15: 10
    0
    Quote: Des10
    How to believe now Volodin and VO, eh?
    Here is a description of an eyewitness:
    http://amdn.news/podrobnoie-opisaniie-ataki-igil-
    na-pal-miru-ot-uchastnika-boiev-pierievod-s-arabs
    kogho
  50. Des10
    Des10 15 December 2016 15: 14
    0
    3000 Oral, and the Tigers and the 11th division remained to defend the city (about 500 people, along with special forces of the Air Force).
    The defenders almost all died.
    http://amdn.news/podrobnoie-opisaniie-ataki-igil-
    na-pal-miru-ot-uchastnika-boiev-pierievod-s-arabs
    kogho

    read, believe Volodin and VO now?
    1. Parsec
      Parsec 15 December 2016 16: 55
      0
      Quote: Des10
      read, believe Volodin and VO now?


      You would have thought before, and whether to believe the Arab now and then?
      Both Arab and Jewish press descriptions of battles are a paramilitary version of the Thousand and One Nights.