Kazakhstan Air Forces Received Next Mi-171Sh

At the airbase in Astana (Kazakhstan), a ceremony was held to meet two Mi-171Sh helicopters manufactured by Ulan-Ude aviation factory reports bmpd with reference to the country's Defense Ministry.

Two Mi-171Sh helicopters (red side numbers "44" and "45") built by JSC "Ulan-Ude Aviation Plant"

"The ceremony was attended by the command of the Air Force and the veterans of the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Kazakhstan", the report says.

It is reported that "the helicopters arrived in accordance with the previously concluded contract between the Kazakh side and the holding" Helicopters of Russia "." Previously, the flight and engineering staff of the airbase was retrained at the factory.

Prior to this, the Air Forces of Kazakhstan received 4 helicopters Mi-171Sh with onboard numbers 40-43.

Help military department: "Mi-171Sh represents one of the latest versions of the helicopters Mi-8. The helicopter has high flight performance and safety level, it is equipped with modern equipment and systems of the new generation. It is easy to operate and maintain, has the ability to use in a wide range of conditions and temperatures - from -50 to + 50 degrees Celsius, reliability and versatility. "

Comments

[Holoy]

The field is smooth. I haven’t seen anything like this ...

[marshes]

Quote: Holoy

The field is smooth. I haven’t seen anything like this ...

So is Astana Airport.

[Kasym]

Hello Swamp! Modernization of all airfields in the country is underway - in the south, in my opinion, everything was repaired, and in some places they increased the strip.
I wonder what is the difference between Mi-8AMTS and Mi-171Sh (export version)? Russia has already adjusted its engines or how (in my opinion VK-2500)?

[marshes]

Quote: Kasym

I wonder what is the difference between Mi-8AMTS and Mi-171Sh (export version)

Yes, the export version, by the way, this is not the first helicopters from Ulan-Ude, you can compare the glazing of the cockpit. The first appeared in Shima at the beginning of the year. Here the prices made both for yourself and the point of assembling the French EU-725 fell away.

Quote: Kasym

Russia has already adjusted its engines or how (in my opinion VK-2500)?

Yes, long established, for them it was not critical, another thing is turboprops.
We are waiting for MI-35, and IL-76.
Here's a joke, with the stubbornness of the border guards, I did not order a Superjet with a VIP cabin, the similarity near Shymkent crashed.

[Kasym]

The Mi-171 has no lower glazing - I know that, I meant it by equipment. I have long understood about these foreigners (EU-725, etc.) - they will not be allowed to make them profitable. To do this, the partner must "invest" - take some of the costs for himself, and foreigners then invest these costs in the price of components.
I agree with AVT, if we want to get something significant in the aircraft industry, etc., we must immediately invest in the development. It’s a troublesome business, but I don’t see it in another way - no one will simply give up jobs right now. That BTR 8 * 8 from South Africa is an example of this - our funding is there.
I understand that the border guards need speed, but why do they need this VIP - it turns out that the border guards general do not get out of the outposts and every airport in the country is international. ... Listen, they are completely obese, civilian routes need to be developed - and they will be happy. 4.12 a daughter flew from Astana; 10 hours were postponed, then two flights were combined and forward - economists h.renovy. There are no pilots or aircraft there, or maybe they really save - but this is not possible. This board would be given to civilians than to carry their "carcasses" in comfort.
I’ll go with my own in holes and holes, I can raise my mood.

[marshes]

Quote: Kasym

The Mi-171 has no lower glazing - I know that, I mean it by equipment. I have long understood about these foreigners (EU-725, etc.) - they will not allow them to be made profitable

And they immediately became unprofitable after signing the agreement on prices within the CSTO, it was not the helicopters that influenced but the assembly of South African equipment. Somehow I unsubscribed on this topic.
It’s just that the government of the neighbors dawned, the money was past the checkout.

Quote: Kasym

I agree with AVT, if we want to get something significant in the aircraft industry, etc., we must immediately invest in the development.

Well, here’s the recent appeal of KB Beriev to the account of Be-132, you’d show us our model. They are afraid as they were with the Kazan team at Farmer1,2. Therefore, Ulan-Ude Kamaz ordered so much that they do not know what to do with them. Rollbacks.

Quote: Kasym

I understand that border guards need speed, but why do they need this VIP - it turns out that border guards generals do not get out of outposts and every airport in the country is international

I marvel at myself, An-72 flew into Tajik ... And in parallel, the existing structure will not shine like that.
They drove the An-74 for the Ministry of Internal Affairs at the height of the vanhanalia and made another stupidity, ordered the An-72, they say force majeure ... Money transferred, wait for an answer ....

Quote: Kasym

Listen, they are completely obese, civilian routes need to be developed - and they will be happy. 4.12 a daughter flew from Astana; 10 hours were postponed, then two flights were combined and forward - economists h.renovy. There are no pilots or aircraft there, or maybe they really save - but this is not possible. This board would be given to civilians than to carry their "carcasses" in comfort.

Air Astana seems to have canceled three flights, they say there is no occupancy. Like no, maybe something has changed, you can’t buy an early ticket. Urgent need, the train is problematic, we get to Astana by car. And then they ask what the Land Cruisers are for, Astana, Taldyparizh, Taraz, Shym on it can be reached in any pagoda without incident.

[avt]

Quote: marshes

assembly french eu-725 dropped

Heraza !? What kind of wise guy did you have there, who shoved the version of the turned Puma called by Caracall, which also pours regularly,? Well, it’s certainly not sour.

Quote: marshes

, the likeness under Shymkent crashed.

Superbudget ??? When did he manage to do that? Or maybe it was the 74th Cheburashka ??? Although how he was dropped ...

Quote: marshes

We are waiting for MI-35, and IL-76.

And why not Ka-52? And your steppe is not very close to the level of the sea-edge, and there are enough mountains - the most universal option would be, well, even if it’s more expensive. Although we ourselves are not enough ... ma-pa-wa-that will be!

[marshes]

Quote: avt

Heraza !? What kind of wise guy did you have there, who shoved the version of the turned Puma called by Caracall, which also pours regularly,? Well, it’s certainly not sour.

I don’t know how about the crumbling Caracal, but two presidential boards are flying. And pretty dashing in the center of the city they land that 8/17 didn’t allow it.

Quote: avt

Superbudget ??? When did he manage to do that? Or maybe it was the 74th Cheburashka ??? Although how he was dropped ...

An-72 in VIP performance.

Quote: avt

And why not Ka-52? And your steppe is not very close to the level of the sea-edge, and there are enough mountains - the most universal option would be, well, even if it’s more expensive. Although we ourselves are not enough ... ma-pa-wa-that will be!

Ka 50/52 and Mi 28 are very expensive, Chinese UAVs for, "penny", we will solve the problem.

[avt]

Quote: marshes

I don’t know how about the crumbling Caracal, but two presidential boards are flying.

Well, they are kept warm and lick constantly, this is not a military option.

[marshes]

Quote: avt

Well, they are kept warm and lick constantly, this is not a military option.

Well, yes, maybe. But there is no such noise, you turn your head here on 8/17 and that scoundrel is already above your head and you understand that ....
The same mini-beads fly almost daily at the end of the year and the weather in Almaty varies from -17 to +10.

[Humpty]

Quote: avt

And why not Ka-52? And your steppe is not very close to the level of the sea-edge, and there are enough mountains - the most universal option would be, well, even if it’s more expensive.

On the contrary, in Kazakhstan it is generally accepted (possibly erroneously) that in the mountains even one's own, helicopters should be used with half-naked girls, and vulgar shows against the background of what is actually a graveyard. Notice nothing inherent only in this. The experience of using helicopters in the mountains of the armed forces of Kazakhstan is very, very negative. I won’t spread the evidence, I don’t like taking pictures of the same thing.
Greetings to you too. My friend is a helicopter pilot Yura, from your city. His wife was sort of the director of the Worg.

[marshes]

Quote: Humpty

Greetings to you too. My friend is a helicopter pilot Yura, from your city. His wife was sort of the director of the Worg.

Hi, I don’t know Yury. Goatorg goat came in the early 90s but I know the helicopter pilot that the EU-135 flies, and those who are younger.

[avt]

Quote: Humpty

The experience of using helicopters in the mountains of the armed forces of Kazakhstan is very, very negative

I won't say anything - I don't know. But in Kyrgyzstan there was a training base and turntables for the regiment after 1991, so Akayev drank everything in pursuit of the creation of “Asian Switzerland.” When 200 spirits in galoshes came to you, only a couple of seemingly turntables could be lifted And I would drive into the mountains of Ka-27/29. In Afghanistan, they drove in trial operation and it seems like nothing like that, but really it is impossible to compare with the scale of the Mi 8 series.

[marshes]

Quote: avt

I won't say anything - I don't know. But in Kyrgyzstan there was a training base and turntables for the regiment after 1991, so Akayev drank everything in pursuit of the creation of “Asian Switzerland.” When 200 spirits in galoshes came to you, only a couple of seemingly turntables could be lifted

That for Akayev Mi-8 under the VIP salon we turned at 405 factory, I personally know the people former co-workers of the father in the TEH.

Quote: avt

And I would drive into the mountains of Ka-27/29. They drove in Afghanistan and it seems like nothing like that, but really with the scale of the Mi 8 series can not be compared.

In Afghanistan, the air is dry and it is dangerous to fly in the spring and autumn, icing. Yes and the mountains are tall, death in winter. Therefore, in Kant Su-25. Another American-Brazilian is not feeling bad.

[Humpty]

Quote: marshes

In Afghanistan, the air is dry and it is dangerous to fly in the spring and autumn, icing. Yes and the mountains are tall, death in winter.

In winter and summer, the MTV-cabinet flies confidently in almost the entire available altitude range.
In "T" anka I am afraid to fly as a passenger, but I don't have to choose.
Over the past 20 years, almost all cases of catastrophes of our and your helicopters in the mountains of Kyrgyzstan are somehow connected with the human factor.
One case is either a failure of technology, or icing. I don’t know for sure.
Another (or two cases) are presented as saying that the equipment has failed.

[marshes]

Quote: Humpty

In winter and summer, the MTV-cabinet flies confidently in almost the entire available altitude range.

Especially as the weather is now, low cloudiness humidity 70%, hello to the crew.
In the daytime in clear weather, no problem, you drag tourists. One I remember lying on one side and buried. At you.

Quote: Humpty

In "T" anka I am afraid to fly as a passenger, but I don't have to choose.

Are there many children? Are there elderly parents? That in FIG.

Quote: Humpty

Over the past 20 years, almost all cases of catastrophes of our and your helicopters in the mountains of Kyrgyzstan are somehow connected with the human factor.
One case is either a failure of technology, or icing. I don’t know for sure.
Another (or two cases) are presented as saying that the equipment is failing.

Yes, you do not fly very well to build statistics.
Here we have signed up private traders under the state program. Rendering medical services. The search, and so on ... They will not die.

[Humpty]

Quote: marshes

Especially as the weather is now, low cloudiness humidity 70%, hello to the crew.
In the daytime in clear weather, no problem, you drag tourists.

Exactly .

Quote: marshes

That in FIG.

He worked here with us in one of your offices, it was a good time.
Rosochka overwhelmed the whole thing, a little truth choked. I had to seriously return to the old affairs.

[Humpty]

Quote: avt

But in Kyrgyzstan there was a training base and turntables on the regiment after 1991,

Frunze 1.

Quote: avt

so Akayev drank everything in pursuit of the creation of "Asian Switzerland"

With teetotalers - presidents, alas, things went wrong with us from the very beginning.
Among the available "helicopter fleet", according to the possibilities of use, each represents a bright individuality.

[Zymran]

Quote: marshes

Here's a joke, with the stubbornness of the border guards, I did not order a Superjet with a VIP cabin, the similarity near Shymkent crashed.

And which is better for border guards?

[marshes]

Quote: Zymran

And which is better for border guards?

Yes, the one that they buy for the MO. For the lack of the An-24/26 72/74, the CASA C-295

[Max_Bauder]

Quote: marshes

So is Astana Airport.

Patstalom!

[Krayt]

When will the Russian Federation cease to rearm foreign armies at its own expense to the detriment of its own ?!

[marshes]

Quote: Krayt

When will the Russian Federation cease to rearm foreign armies at its own expense to the detriment of its own ?!

Buy from the French, what's the problem.

[Krayt]

Buy from anyone, but not in vain from the Russian Federation.

[marshes]

Quote: Krayt

Buy from anyone, but not in vain from the Russian Federation.

Yes, for the money.

[Krayt]

If for money, not for nothing. I would not be indignant

[marshes]

Quote: Krayt

If for money, not for nothing. I would not be indignant

We bought BTR-82A before you, we worked directly with the factory. We took a quick look at the Government and appointed an intermediary, we have to procure through the State Duma and the assignee.
Interestingly, more than 100 were bought, and 70 were put into service, where did the rest go? They returned under warranty.

[avt]

Quote: Krayt

When will the Russian Federation cease to rearm foreign armies at its own expense to the detriment of its own ?!

To the captain, mana. In general, Kazakhstan, unlike Butsk and Armenia, walks on its own, and not from a loan allocated by Russia, albeit at prices lower than export, as a member of the Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO). Only Azerbaijan from ex-Soviet republics is stealing money.

Quote: marshes

Buy from the French, what's the problem.

Well, you buy it, something that is not in Russia and we take it from us, well, the same light turntables are messerschmitts, the average transporter bought anything so-so in quality and right - we froze the IL-112, and when we put it in the series, our old Ana is already at the limit. We’ll have to change it urgently. By the way, I look, they started to pack with us with serial new bulk carriers and river-sea bulk containers ..

[Krayt]

Yes, how to say. The Su-30 and Yak-130 are asked either for pennies, or for nothing, and after the overhaul the air defense systems have already received it for nothing ... I somehow have no desire to arm foreigners to the detriment of and at the expense of the Russian Federation and I don’t like that Moscow does this

[avt]

Quote: Krayt

Yes, how to say.

It is necessary to say as it is in reality. They do not ask, but buy on their own.

[Krayt]

Well, put the air defense system after the overhaul, they received for nothing, and not for their

[Zymran]

The repair was at our expense. And so you either write them off or "donate" to your ally.

[Krayt]

I have not heard that the repair was at your expense, and the only allies of the Russian Federation are its army and navy.

[Talgat 148]

The only ally reliable and loyal is Kazakhstan! And the fleet .... while it still smokes .... And judging by your pissimism, you and your friends probably don't! )))

[Krayt]

Among my acquaintances there are two families of Russian refugees from Alma-Ata. During the war with Georgia, you did not send a single soldier to the Russian Federation as aid, and you did not recognize Crimea as part of the Russian Federation, so there is no ally from you and that is to say the least. I don’t consider you friends, because I know the price, and the fleet, though not the newest and most modern, but the Russian marines fought in the Caucasus so that they deserve my respect and not only mine. I have no doubt in the marines of Russia .... they are not Kazakhstan, which recalls Russia only when it needs something from Russia ...

[Talgat 148]

You are a typical would-be patriot! You have all the tomatoes, you are D'Artagnan!
Refugees come from a disaster or war zone, these families are most likely repatriates !!!
And an ally of us will come out great when enemies attack you! This we proved in 1941 near Moscow !!!! But not when you offend others gently! Little Crimea or even less South Ossetia ..... yes there is nowhere to turn around without us! I have no doubt in the Marine Corps and in general in the Russian Army .... but no one will guarantee the invincibility of their military forces, all the more so in the history of the last century, the Russian army achieved victories at the cost of enormous sacrifices and not only Russian blood it got! You need to be more modest!
You do not need allies, you do not need friends ??? Who do you need?
Well, God bless you! But remember the Kazakhs freebies from the Russian Federation in the form of free weapons never received !!! In our pride and self-respect !!!

[Krayt]

These families left for Russia after the pogroms of the Russian population in the 90s, and I know firsthand what is happening in the northern regions now ... You did not prove anything near Moscow, because you were not there ... Even a rifle CBT was issued, mainly to seafarers, as people with the best education and training. And even before the collapse of the USSR, the level of training in your educational institutions was at times inferior to the preparation of similar educational institutions in the RSFSR ...... That's who Russia doesn't need, it's parasites sick with Russophobia .... So Russia is offending someone there. ..So go ask these `` offended '' helicopters, since they are closer to you than Russia, which I have no doubt about ...

[Talgat 148]

And you do not know the prices !!!

[Humpty]

Quote: Krayt

I somehow have no desire to arm foreigners to the detriment of and at the expense of the Russian Federation and I do not like that Moscow does this

But "us" Russia sends all sorts of devices for free. And then they make her bad, on her head. What can I say something like such bad women who are always with money, with strangers and for free.
The Chinese also send free help, but less valuable.

[Talgat 148]

About 10-15 years ago, the Tu-154 came due to the lease of Baikonur in Alma-Ata and .... everything, the resource is over! And so much you fed us a freebie, I have a Russian Glock-17 pistol, a Sako TRG M10 sniper, an Avtik Beretta ARX-160a2, etc.
And representatives of Rosoboronexport don’t know how to get “for free” to get into Kazakhstan!
Continue to live in your world where everyone lives at YOUR expense!

[marshes]

Quote: avt

By the way, I look, we began to be stocked with serial new bulk carriers and river-sea bulk logs ..

So Kashagan launched CPC is not capable, oil has gone ....

[Kasym]

Bolot, with CPC everything is fine and according to plan. Kashagan should improve the financial situation, but these export restrictions may cut - although, we have already reduced production (14g-80mt, 15g-72mil). Something from the Ka-226 has died out and nothing is heard. Probably ours do not want to finance 100%, and Kamov does not want (cannot) take part of the costs. I wonder what projects this Ministry of Aerospace and Defense was opened for? Rogozin flew in, wrote for Baiterek (he brought technical documentation on this case - a new launch vehicle with the modernization of the launch pad) - this is space. And this is what "aero .. and defense .." means. Probably connected with the replacement of Ukraine. And what can we replace in Antonov and the defense industry there? Maybe what about the BTT - to some extent to replace Kharkov - the equipment in Semsk from there ?! Radishes, everybody secrets - At least something would be posted. Remember, recently a Japanese plant was launched in Alma-Ata (ropes and cables are made of iron, heavy-duty) - Kuznetsov will probably be able to make these brake cables.
Konstantin, at one time you received much more valuable "toys" in the form of a thousand nuclear weapons with carriers. And you can believe that we did not see the money either. Somewhere from the end of the 90s they asked you for these S-300s ... for money, but you did not have the opportunities - you yourself did not have enough, and even with the release of a large number of military aircraft to the scrap. Recently, another S-295 board came - do you think for beautiful eyes !? ... In terms of gold and foreign exchange reserves per capita, we are even ahead of you. Finish the MiG-35 - we'll see. In the meantime, there is still a contract for the Mi-35, they wrote for 7 Su-30SM (general contract up to the regiment), for the Aktobe years. We want the Yak-130 schools, we need the IL-76 (we had one on the wing). There are agreements with UVZ on modern T-72 to T-90 and Terminator at our BTT repair plant. Do you really think that the Russian Federation will "give" all this?

[marshes]

Quote: Kasym

. Something with the Ka-226 died out and nothing was heard. Probably ours do not want to finance 100%, and Kamov does not want (cannot) take part of the costs

Everyone needs money.

Quote: Kasym

I wonder what projects the ministry for aerospace and defense industry opened.

Under any, that would not solve MO, there are no kickbacks and the same criminal record. Tas was carefully pushed back ...

Quote: Kasym

Rogozin flew in, they wrote for Baiterek (he brought tech. Evidence on this case - a new launch vehicle with modernization of the launch pad) - this is space

Yes, with interest they should already have a lard of green money, so the proton will fly out either the proton will fly on kerosene or all the projects they offer. They don’t have money.

Quote: Kasym

Remember, recently a Japanese plant was launched in Alma-Ata (ropes and cables are made of iron, heavy-duty) - Kuznetsov will probably be able to make these brake cables.

I know about the steel wire rope plant, but as Pride said, it will not allow it.

[Kasym]

So Tas there and solves these defense projects - the first deputy. premiere.
They wrote off this yard for a long time quietly. The fact of the matter is that Baiterek can go all at our expense, at least the initial stage. Otherwise, why drag such a proof? Heavy hangars, as rumors go, may not be ... A bunch of versions of what will happen next.
Actually, for ANAS a good chance to push the military-industrial complex - I don’t think it will miss. Then he created this ministry, before that they only reduced it. Now we can only guess - let's observe. And with the cables ... they will be surely tested. Shoigu after such a scandal ... he will undertake.
Recently I just read somewhere that part of the parts from titanium (alloy) on the MiG-31 comes from the Republic of Kazakhstan.

[marshes]

Quote: Kasym

So Tas there and solves these defense projects - the first deputy. premiere.

What decides there?

Deputy Prime Minister of the Republic of Kazakhstan for Social Development, Education and Health. (since September 13, 2016)

Quote: Kasym

They wrote off this yard for a long time quietly. The fact of the matter is that Baiterek can go all at our expense, at least the initial stage. Otherwise, why drag such a proof? Heavy hangars, as rumors go, may not be ... A bunch of versions of what will happen next.

I apologize to us for this haemorrhage. In 2004, we signed a lease, then both the contract and Baiterek were 12 years old, but there was no performance.

Quote: Kasym

Actually, for ANAS a good chance to push the military-industrial complex - I don’t think it will miss.

He has to think about something else, age.

Quote: Kasym

Recently I just read somewhere that part of the parts from titanium (alloy) on the MiG-31 comes from the Republic of Kazakhstan.

Well, yes, we decided to take part of the market for Titan, due to sanctions.

[avt]

Quote: Kasym

Something with the Ka-226 died out and nothing was heard.

Quote: marshes

Everyone needs money.

Come on ! He wrote more than once - the engines are imported, and the Russian will be only in 4 years. What is the joy of Helicopteraerbas despite the fact that they have already entered Kazakhstan and Russia with their turntables, to produce a competitor in the form of Ansat and Ka-226 ?? To get the engines, Russia allowed them to equip messengers with sanitation and the sale of flight watches. Engines are the main problem.

[Kasym]

Sorry, Bolot, I didn’t even look at what issues he was solving there - it would be more logical to do the opposite. The siloviki power-eaters ate it, or maybe they get it out of attack - they completely lost their fear. Maybe that's why this ministry was muddied so that there was control? In order to determine the tasks and goals of this ministry, you need to look at old contracts and where interests come into contact with the Russian Federation.
Space. Yes, because of Baikonur, the NAS is so harnessed. There were tripartite agreements on the Zenith (Ukraine-RF-RK). We took part in finances there.
BTT. RF launches entire series. And then you need to look at what capacity and where will go under these matters. And the old park needs to be repaired and modernized - therefore, something will come to Semey, maybe the area and capacity with the nomenclature will increase. Those agreements with UVZ recall.
Air. There were agreements on Antonov (An-140 and An-152). But we have our own winged metal. Therefore, maybe some details of the fuselage, etc ..

AVT, all the best. Yes, we have a new ministry opened here - so I'm wondering with my fellow countryman what is being muddied up there. There is so much fog that it was as if the stripe workers did not arrange a washing room. And in fact, the National Academy of Sciences is seeking high-tech industries. They go nuts so that ... well, that Baikonur, for example, and "space dreams 01" ... Here we are unanimous in the opinion that it is necessary to invest in development and that it would be very relevant to those engines.

[avt]

Quote: Kasym

Here we are unanimous in the opinion that it is necessary to invest in development and in those engines it would be very important.

If you don't have a "hot zone" - you don't have an engine. As now with the French for the Superbudget. And without an engine, draw whatever aerodynamic schemes you want, it's all the same

Quote: Kasym

But we have our own winged metal.

which by the way is a high-quality metallurgy product and is a high-tech production, all one will go to the spoons.

[Talgat 148]

It is reported that "the helicopters arrived in accordance with the previously concluded contract between the Kazakh side and the holding" Helicopters of Russia "." Previously, the flight and engineering staff of the airbase was retrained at the factory.

We bought them !!!!!!! Ku-pi-li !!!! For money!!!! Not for free, not for debt !!! And not Mr. Sam (Uncle Vova) did not give them! And bought it! OK????

[Dmitriy444]

Noticed the mismatch of the sides in the photo? Find the difference))).

[marshes]

Humpty,
It seems that the new VO program does not allow the construction of a ladder. It resets.

Rosochka overwhelmed the whole thing, a little truth choked. I had to seriously return to the old affairs.

And what was and what does it do?

[Talgat 148]

Quote: Talgat 148

About 10-15 years ago, the Tu-154 came due to the lease of Baikonur in Alma-Ata and .... everything, the resource is over! And so much you fed us a freebie, I have a Russian Glock-17 pistol, a Sako TRG M10 sniper, an Avtik Beretta ARX-160a2, etc.
And representatives of Rosoboronexport don’t know how to get “for free” to get into Kazakhstan!
Continue to live in your world where everyone lives at YOUR expense!

... landed ... sorry.

[Talgat 148]

Krayt,
Moraism! There have never been any pogroms in Kazakhstan! There were conflicts with Chechens, Turks and Chinese, and then at the household level! But there have never been Russian pogroms!
Dear, spend a little educational program with yourself and study the closest and largest neighbor where more than 3 million Russians and, moreover, Russian-speaking Kazakhs live !!!

[Talgat 148]

Krayt,
I wonder what does the SVT-40? )))