In 2017 g in Ulyanovsk, the release of cartridges of the new type will begin

A new range of cartridges for security agencies will begin to produce at the Ulyanovsk plant with 2017, transmits RIA News message of the press service of the regional government.

“In 2017, in Ulyanovsk, they will begin to release new types of cartridges for the Russian law enforcement agencies. Governor Sergey Morozov got acquainted with the course of reconstruction of the new plant of the cartridge factory, where they will create high-tech mass production, ”the release says.

About 150 employees will be involved in the production of products.

“We are participating in a federal target program that lasts for three years: from 2015 to 2017. The new workshop will house the production of a new range of 7,62x51 mm and 8,6x69 mm cartridges, which were not previously produced in Russia. In total, about 600 million rubles will be invested for these purposes ”,

cites the press service of the word general director of JSC "Ulyanovsk Cartridge Plant" Alexander Votyakov.

It is noted that the Ulyanovsk plant is "one of the oldest defense enterprises in Russia specializing in the production of cartridges, existing with 1916 g." The company supplies the domestic and international markets with “various modifications of live ammunition for pistols, machine guns and large-caliber machine guns with various types of bullets.”

The regional government reported that for 10 months of the current year, the plant shipped finished products to 2,8 billion rubles, which is 122% compared to similar indicators of 2015.

Comments

[veteran66]

"a new nomenclature of 7,62x51 mm and 8,6x69 mm caliber cartridges, which were not previously produced in Russia" But is there a weapon for them?

[Samaritan]

Based on the T-5000 ...
You can read here: https://topwar.ru/103237-novaya-snayperskaya-vint
ovka-dlya-specsluzhb-zapuskaetsya-v-seriyu.html
or here: https://topwar.ru/103803-k-seriynomu-vypusku-goto
va-novaya-snayperskaya-vintovka-sozdannaya-v-ramk
ah-okr-tochnost.html

[GSH-18]

Quote: Samaritan

Based on the T-5000 ...

T-5000 is a good karamultuk. I remember that the obstacle to its adoption was just the RF Ministry of Defense and put forward the lack of cartridge production.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: GSH-18

T-5000 is a good karamultuk. I remember that the obstacle to its adoption was just the RF Ministry of Defense and put forward the lack of cartridge production.

And they did it right. For complaints about problems with cartridges for weapons under non-Soviet calibers (first of all, to snipers) went almost immediately after the acquisition of imported weapons, the FSB and the Ministry of Internal Affairs: they are not manufactured in Russia, and purchases abroad cannot be punched.

[dmitriyruss]

Come on, I don’t have to break through, I don’t remember a single case when the leadership of our department refused to buy bourgeois cartridges into shooting ranges and shooting ranges, it’s another matter that according to the mobile standards, there should be a certain amount of ammunition in the stocks for available barrels - and a lot of tons of ammunition - But with the purchase of such parties, it’s just a disaster - and even this is mainly due to the impossibility (including for sanctions reasons) to purchase at the same time such a quantity of ammunition

[VDV1985]

Not only - Lobaev also has

[Lord of the Sith]

The former are most likely for new light machine guns, and the latter for a new modification of machine guns for the Russian Guard, etc.

[nekish]

Chot 8,6x69 greasy for the machine

[GSH-18]

Quote: nekish

Chot 8,6x69 greasy for the machine

Normul.
There’s 11,43mm from Tommy Gang, and that’s all

[Mountain shooter]

Only Tommy-gun has 11.43x22 cartridge. It is necessary to explain what is the digit after the multiplication sign? I would not like to shoot from a machine gun chambered for "Lapua Magnum". If it weighs the same as an assault rifle.

[GSH-18]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

It is necessary to explain what kind of figure is after the multiplication sign?

Do not be smart. It does not look beautiful.

Quote: Mountain Shooter

I would not want to shoot from a machine gun chambered for the Lapua Magnum.

Do not want to, do not shoot. Someone forcing?
AK forever!
And for the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, they’ll make a better thread

[Su24]

Quote: GSH-18

Quote: Mountain Shooter
It is necessary to explain what kind of figure is after the multiplication sign?
Do not be smart. It does not look beautiful.

So don't be smart. They blurted out stupidity and now they themselves are indignant.
8.6mm is a .338. A very powerful rifle cartridge for newer sniper rifles like the Precision.

[GSH-18]

Quote: Su24

So don't be smart. They blurted out stupidity and now they themselves are indignant.

And what is the stupidity that I blurt out in your opinion?
Did you understand what they presented to me?
I talked only about caliber. There was no talk of a cartridge.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: GSH-18

I talked only about caliber. There was no talk of a cartridge.

Well yes ! "I am not me, and the horse is not mine!"

[edge]

Quote: GSH-18

And for the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, they’ll make a better thread

in general, the cartridge line goes under the model created and adopted for armament; guess what they put into service and under which arsenals will be clogged

[Max White]

In fact, a weapon is made under a cartridge, and not vice versa

[nekish]

8,6x69 on the right

[dmitriyruss]

yeah, it’s definitely not going to jump from branches

[Nikolaevich I]

Confusing a "fork with a bottle"! Thompson has a pistol cartridge, and 8,6 (8,58) * 69-rifle ...

[VDV1985]

This is at the level of comparing a member with a finger ...

[delvin-fil]

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/АШ-12

[Genry]

Quote: Sith Lord

The former are most likely for new light machine guns, and the latter for a new modification of machine guns for the Russian Guard, etc.

The first ones are analogous to the characteristics of the "royal" 7,62x54R but with a modern sleeve and without a protruding welt, for machine guns and magazine rifles.
The second - .338 LM are optimal for sniper weapons. Although they can go into a machine gun instead of 7,62x54R and 7,62x51, it is necessary to put off the snipers somewhere, and bulletproof vests do not stop him, otherwise 12,7 is heavy.

[Black Colonel]

Although they can go in a machine gun instead of 7,62x54R and 7,62x51
And this is how?

[Genry]

Quote: Black Colonel

Although they can go in a machine gun instead of 7,62x54R and 7,62x51
And this is how? belay

Take a sledgehammer ....
Well, is it really not clear that the machine guns under 7,62 × 54 are frankly weak, and 12,7 × 108 are too powerful. Cartridge 8,6x69 (.338LM) perfectly penetrates modern body armor.
If they do sniper 8,6x69, then there will sometimes be a marriage and there will be deterioration of equipment equipment on which it will be possible to produce machine-guns rather than target cartridges.

[demchuk.ig]

Quote: Genry

The second - .338 LM are optimal for sniper weapons. Although they can go into a machine gun instead of 7,62x54R and 7,62x51, it is necessary to put off the snipers somewhere, and bulletproof vests do not stop him, otherwise 12,7 is heavy.

And if the rejected cartridges are enough for three B / C to the machine gun, and then shoot sniper?

[Genry]

Quote: demchuk.ig

And if there are enough rejected cartridges for three b / c to the machine gun

Are you talking about a bucket of "garbage" that stands at the bunk of every sniper?
You need to understand several economic factors:
1. When the equipment for the production of cartridges is worn out (wear of molds, rollers), which occurs precisely "by old age", you will not be able to produce cartridges with MOA 0,5 for snipers on it. But you can release with MOA 1,0 for Marksman. With this required accuracy, the equipment will last several more "lives". Then the equipment will switch to an abnormal deviation for machine guns and will survive until the roof collapses.
2. Worn machine gun trunks 7,62 can be easily turned over, cut into 8,6. And they will have a second life.
3. You can reload a cartridge case that was shot by a sniper only for a machine-gun cartridge.
And why start production 7,62x51 if you can limit it to 8,6x69. Although if for a bulk sale, because for yourself it’s more profitable to buy a little.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Sith Lord

The former are most likely for new light machine guns, and the latter for a new modification of machine guns for the Russian Guard, etc.

These are cartridges for imported snipers. And for ours under the import gauge.

Today, we are proactively developing a sniper system in new calibers, which have not yet been in our country. The first caliber is 7,62x51 mm and the second is 8,6x69 mm. The work, which has received the general name "accuracy", is being carried out by five of our enterprises, whose task is to create a Russian sniper complex that is not inferior to imported analogues.

© general director of TsNIITochmash
8,6x69 is the same Lapua Magnum.

[corporal]

Quote: Sith Lord

and the second for a new modification of machines for the Russian Guard, etc.

A cool machine at Rosguard under 338 LM, here even the harsh Hollywood guys nervously smoke on the sidelines

[kapitan92]

Quote: veteran66

"a new nomenclature of 7,62x51 mm and 8,6x69 mm caliber cartridges, which were not previously produced in Russia" But is there a weapon for them?

Under the trophy cook!

[cniza]

Quote: kapitan92

Quote: veteran66

"a new nomenclature of 7,62x51 mm and 8,6x69 mm caliber cartridges, which were not previously produced in Russia" But is there a weapon for them?

Under the trophy cook!

The first thing that comes to mind ... what would it be?

[Max White]

It is also an option

[GSH-18]

where they will create high-tech mass production, ”the release said.

Ahhh! And I was thinking-manual and piece

[mojohed2012]

There was a rumor that in Russia they will produce the latest cartridges on the 3 printer. Well, like not stamping and drilling, but olive and pressing.

[Vovanya]

the release of cartridges in a NEW TYPE and the release of cartridges of a NEW Nomenclature are two big differences ....

[Understanding]

Very accurate remark!

[GSH-18]

8,6x69 mm, which were not previously produced in Russia.

Here everything is done very competently by ours (at the end, then!)
The development of a truly new weapon begins with a new cartridge - this is a rule known to all gunsmiths.
It seems that soon we will see really new, advanced examples of small arms.

[Vladimirets]

Quote: GSH-18

8,6x69 mm, which were not previously produced in Russia.
Here everything is done very competently by ours (at the end, then!)
The development of a truly new weapon begins with a new cartridge - this is a rule known to all gunsmiths.
It seems that soon we will see really new, advanced examples of small arms.

This is a long-known and fairly common cartridge .338 Lapua Magnum. In addition to purely military models, this cartridge has a lot of civilian hunting weapons. Previously, all these cartridges were imported, now, due to sanctions and the ruble exchange rate, the trickle has dried up, so filling the niche with our manufacturers was just asking.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Vladimirets

Previously, all these cartridges were imported, now, due to sanctions and the ruble exchange rate, the trickle has dried up, so filling the niche with our manufacturers was just asking.

With cartridges for imported calibers, there was a problem before. The twower or the old militaryphotos had complaints from specialists that they almost had to smuggle cartridges across the border - for there were no official purchases.

[Vladimirets]

Quote: Alexey RA

With cartridges for imported calibers, there was a problem before. The twower or the old militaryphotos had complaints from specialists that they almost had to smuggle cartridges across the border - for there were no official purchases.

The fact is that there are weapons, and we have them, including ammunition that is quite rare even for the west. And there are imported ones, but common ones with us (we even make weapons for them) and with them, for example .223rem, .243vin, .308vin, .300vinmag, .338lapmag. These cartridges were dragged from behind the hill, while the buck was worth a little and there were no sanctions. It was not particularly profitable to expand our production, in addition, you can write a whole book about the pivoting of our industry. Since 2014, people have sat down, there are no cartridges, and those that are are worth a lot of money. Some cartridge factories had already begun organizing the production of their cartridges, although components were increasingly being supplied from abroad.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Vladimirets

Since 2014, people have sat down, there are no cartridges, and those that are are worth a lot of money. Some cartridge factories had already begun organizing the production of their cartridges, although components were increasingly being supplied from abroad.

And even before 2014 they squatted: even the faces complained that the state contract for the supply of cartridges for imported sniper guns could not be broken through, and the "drop deliveries" from over the hill were too irregular.
By the way, Rogozin Jr. at one time was very pushing that ORSIS would make not only rifles, but also cartridges for them.

[GSH-18]

Quote: Vladimirets

This is a long-known and fairly common cartridge .338 Lapua Magnum. In addition to purely military models, this cartridge has a lot of civilian hunting weapons. Previously, all these cartridges were imported, now, due to sanctions and the ruble exchange rate, the trickle has dried up, so filling the niche with our manufacturers was just asking.

Well, good
However, such money (600 million rubles) will simply not be tamped on. Znach weapons under these calibers will be released in mass volume. New weapon.
We have been talking about caliber 8,6 for a long time. So it happened.

[Max White]

We have in the KZ one cartridge .338LM is in terms of Russia about 500 rubles.
So the release of a domestic cartridge in this caliber, it seems, is economically justified.

[Vadim237]

Sniper rifle "Twilight" firing range 3500 meters - sighting.

[Vladimirets]

Quote: Vadim237

Sniper rifle "Twilight" firing range 3500 meters - sighting.

Check out how they set the record with this rifle. Such shooting can be called "sighting" with a big stretch. http://alternathistory.com/vintovka-svlk-14s-sumr
ak-neveroyatnoe-tochnoe-i-moshchnoe-oruzhie

[uav80]

Non-serial rifle, with non-serial ammunition, and with a special bar adjustable at 400MOA, and only at 3440m into a 1x1m target ...

[an-sar]

Actually, a weapon is created under the cartridge !!!!

[Vovanya]

On the contrary - a cartridge is created for a new weapon.

[Titsen]

Quote: veteran66

"new nomenclature of 7,62x51 mm caliber cartridges

I have a bolted mattress-striped ruzhbike of this caliber.

What's new here?

[Juborg]

Campaign all army sniper weapons go in these calibres as the most optimal ballistics.

[Sasha_Sar]

Since the end of the XIX century, weapons under the cartridge were created, and not vice versa. Not every state can afford the creation of a cartridge. If memory fails the last time, a cartridge of 7,62 was created in 1943. Which went to AKM and SKS.

[Botanologist]

7,62x51 is the standard 308win cartridge, which is produced by all and sundry. I have a box from Novosibirsk in my armory, 5 packs of the Barnaul packs, I don’t use Tula. Carabiner Boar.

[Max White]

1) Weapons in Russia under this cartridge already exist. This is the Orsis T-5000 and the Lobayev rifles, of which there are several in the lineup.
2) The presence of our own production of cartridges in the caliber of 8,6x69 mm. will give impetus to new developments of sniper systems. I think CORD is one of the first to start work in this direction.
I believe that it is not necessary to remind that the TTX of a cartridge with a caliber of 8,6x69 mm (.338LM) is much better for sniper rifles than the TTX of cartridges in a caliber of 7,62x54 mm., 7,62x51 (.308 Win) mm. or 7,62x67 (.300 Win Mag)

[Banishing liberoids]

But what kind of weapon are these cartridges for, or weapons still being tested? Or cartridges for sale?

[marshes]

Quote: Exorcist Liberoids

But what kind of weapon are these cartridges for, or weapons still being tested? Or cartridges for sale?

The same snipers from OSIRIS.

[Banishing liberoids]

Swamps - can be Orsisa? ??

[marshes]

Quote: Exorcist Liberoids

Swamps - can be Orsisa? ??

Well, Orsisa!
Now it’s not bad to stir up an assault rifle with a short stroke of the piston. And do not buy the NK 417 in a quiet or ARCH-200 beret.

[Asadullah]

Now it’s not bad to stir up an assault rifle with a short piston stroke.

Fuck the elephant whistle ..... NE class, just what was missing. For the assault weapons it’s heavy, but for the support of the attack aircraft, what the doctor ordered ... it’s a pity that they waited so long .... very sorry.

[marshes]

Quote: Asadullah

Fuck the elephant whistle ..... NE class, just what was missing.

And in FIG you buy trunks?

[Asadullah]

And in FIG you buy trunks?

What kind!?

[marshes]

NK-417, and ARCH-200 Beretta.

[Asadullah]

Hello *** New Year! So you buy it, if your flag is Saule!))))

[marshes]

Quote: Asadullah

Hello *** New Year! So you buy it, if your flag is Saule!))))

Here the photo was exposed during the discussion of one of the rifles. From the training center near Moscow. And Ramzan .... just have no atomic bomb.

[Asadullah]

Here the photo was exposed during the discussion of one of the rifles. From the training center near Moscow. And Ramzan .... just have no atomic bomb.

So for the Heckler specialists they bought a little, for sniping, the "athletes" rushed around with them for sure. And anything could fall into private hands. In mine, for example, High Power. What is happy with aki a sparrow in a puddle.

[GSH-18]

Quote: marshes

The same snipers from OSIRIS.

ORSIS

[Sirocco]

Quote: Exorcist Liberoids

Or ammo for sale?

Here, as always, options are possible. High-quality products will go to the Moscow Region, and marriage to the domestic market, the benefit of hunters and other arms holders is complete.
I would like to finally have quality products on the shelves.
Since the roulette game with the purchase of BP in our stores is already quite tired, the gunpowder is lame, the bullets are oval, and the diameter of the bullets jumps judge for yourself who is in the subject of Barnaul 7.78-7.81. Conscience would have, these manufacturers at least 7.83-7.85. As always, they are afraid of something, no matter what happens. We will watch and draw conclusions.

[marshes]

Quote: Sirocco

Quality products will go to the MO

This is not for the MO. Maybe for the FSO, FSB, GRU, the Ministry of Internal Affairs.

Quote: Sirocco

and marriage to the domestic market, the benefit of hunters and other arms holders is complete.

You don’t respect hunters like that, they won’t take it. Not suckers

[Sirocco]

Quote: marshes

You don’t respect hunters like that, they won’t take it. Not suckers

It's not about who the goof is, but who is not. The point is as always the price is quality. Not every hunter has the means to purchase imports at an average price of about 200 rubles. In consequence of which it is necessary to acquire what they offer.
There is a second option, this is reloding, which will also partially solve this problem in the event of a PS partition. I am silent about imported components. (Price)

[marshes]

Quote: Sirocco

It's not about who the goof is, but who is not. The point is as always the price is quality. Not every hunter has the means to purchase imports at an average price of about 200 rubles. In consequence of which it is necessary to acquire what they offer.

Owners of trunks under 308 Wencester, and Lapua Magnum are not ordinary people, weapons for 3 pieces of mowers, at least. I use a sucker 7.62x39, Ruger Mini. And this miracle took 2.5. But I do not regret it.

Quote: Sirocco

There is a second option, this is reloding, which will also partially solve this problem in the event of a PS partition. I am silent about imported components. (Price)

Here is the word imported I am doing this 12 brass until 20 pieces are bloated. And that is exclusively for double-barreled guns. They jam in the machine.
And for this, a whole machine is needed, the sleeves per mm are elongated, it is necessary to trim, for 39,51,54.

[Sirocco]

Quote: marshes

Owners of trunks under 308 Winchester, and Lapua Magnum are not ordinary people, weapons for 3 pieces of mowers, at least.

Just these minor minorities are not simple, I know a couple of such comrades who immediately buy 2-3 hundred patriots at a horse price, and are satisfied And to us mere mortals, they offer from a series on you, God, that we are no good.
About the machine and stuff, these pribludy are worth 500-600 green, I think. Well, plus accessories that we don’t produce and don’t sell, since we equip the PSU with a rifled NIZZZYAYA.))))

[marshes]

Quote: Sirocco

Just these minor minorities are not simple, I know a couple of such comrades who immediately buy 2-3 hundred patriots at a horse price, and are happy. But we are mere mortals, they offer God, you are not worthless from the series.

Well, I take a limited amount of 20 pieces, this year I couldn’t get it because of ear-hooks. And the season is on the wolf’s nose. Until the gray ones worry, but right away ...

Quote: Sirocco

About the machine and stuff, these pribludy are worth 500-600 green, I think. Well, plus accessories that we don’t produce and don’t sell, since we equip the PSU with a rifled NIZZZYAYA.))))

It can be cheaper by photo and video ... Not a problem. I didn’t bother with a rifled one. But for a smooth-bore gunpowder and capsules it became a problem to buy, shotgun batteries.
In short, strictly we have.

[Vladimirets]

Quote: marshes

Owners of trunks under 308 Winchester

Under 308vin is full of quite budgetary weapons, and the same "Vepr", and Tikka, and Cheset. The cartridge is very common.

[marshes]

Quote: Vladimirets

Under 308vin is full of quite budgetary weapons, and the same "Vepr", and Tikka, and Cheset. The cartridge is very common.

Everything is relative with us; not everyone can afford a rifled barrel.
Soon they will be confiscated near Lapua, then we will probably continue.
We will be with single-barrel cartoons

[Vladimirets]

Quote: marshes

Everything is relative with us; not everyone can afford a rifled barrel.

Hunting is generally not cheap now. Just made from rifled quite common.

[marshes]

Quote: Vladimirets

Hunting is generally not cheap now. Just made from rifled quite common.

Well, not counting the ammunition — fuel, food, satellite communications — it’s easy to go to relatives, 370 km, and walking along nearby is already essential, and if you go further into the steppe it is very expensive.

[faridg7]

Oh, those Barnaul people ...
We here not so long ago searched for a comrade’s carbine, we wanted to find a 308 barnaul centaur, they told us that they wouldn’t be anymore, it turns out they don’t do it themselves, they brought it from the states.

[31R-US]

Animals cannot be killed.

[Sirocco]

Quote: 31R-US

Animals cannot be killed.

You have that barrel on the Avatar just for the silent extermination of the "Beasts"

[Vladimirets]

Quote: 31R-US

Animals cannot be killed.

Yeah, but you can eat.

[faridg7]

You do not like animals? You just don’t know how to cook them.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Sirocco

Since the roulette game with the purchase of BP in our stores is already quite tired, the gunpowder is lame, the bullets are oval, and the diameter of the bullets jumps judge for yourself who is in the subject of Barnaul 7.78-7.81.

Pornoul ... ©

Cartridges are taken from one pack (or rather, from the remainder of this pack). The difference in landing a bullet in a sleeve is up to 1.5 mm.

© Ulanov

[Samaritan]

The production in Russia of .338 Lapua Magnum and 7,62x51 (.308 Win) caliber ammunition for the ORSIS T-5000 sniper rifle was mastered by the Ulyanovsk Cartridge Plant in early 2014. According to the head of the Ulyanovsk enterprise Alexander Votyakov, to produce these cartridges, the plant bought modern equipment of the Italian company VASINI Srl. The new equipment provides high-precision assembly of all components of the cartridge, as well as automatic control of its main design parameters. In addition, in June 2015, the Novosibirsk Cartridge Plant (NPZ) launched the production of .338 Lapua Magnum hunting cartridges with a shell bullet (FMJ, weight 16,2 grams, tompak shell) and a brass sleeve. Despite the fact that the purpose of the manufactured ammunition is declared as "hunting", Russian law enforcement agencies have already shown interest in the cartridge. Moreover, snipers of one of the FSB units even carried out test firing with these cartridges.

For understanding:

[Titsen]

Quote: Exorcist Liberoids

What weapons are these cartridges for?

Under my rouge bike!

[Alex_Tug]

About 150 employees will be involved in the production of products.

Where are 150 employees here? Okay, 10 automatic machines, so be 10 loaders, 5 cleaners, 2 accountants, the remaining 130 who? Effective manager?

[Alex_Tug]

In principle, fitters, drivers .... anyway, staff per 100 people are superfluous.

[GSH-18]

Quote: Alex_Tug

About 150 employees will be involved in the production of products.

Where are 150 employees here? Okay, 10 automatic machines, so be 10 loaders, 5 cleaners, 2 accountants, the remaining 130 who? Effective manager?

Security, canteen, warehouse, management, accounting, sales department, support staff (drivers, electricians, cleaners), etc.
And you thought it was so simple?

[Alex_Tug]

Security, canteen, warehouse, management, accounting, sales department, support staff (drivers, electricians, cleaners), etc.
And you thought it was so simple?

Just counted, I have more than 50 people did not succeed. Even with a TB engineer. 100 people get a pull.

[GSH-18]

Quote: Alex_Tug

Security, canteen, warehouse, management, accounting, sales department, support staff (drivers, electricians, cleaners), etc.
And you thought it was so simple?

Just counted, I have more than 50 people did not succeed. Even with a TB engineer. 100 people get a pull.

Well, if the production is planned to be so productive, then some other departments will be ..
Type of personnel department, quality control department, expedition .. Who knows

[Pharao7766]

And that Russia switched to NATO standards?
If only for hunters 308Win, Lapua for specialists in small quantities ...
But in the article "for the release of new types of cartridges for the power departments of Russia."

[Sirocco]

Quote: Pharao7766

But in the article "for the release of new types of cartridges for the power departments of Russia."

I think that all the same, it’s not only for security officials, otherwise after a month of operation this plant will rise, unless it starts production of trinkets from shells and bullets And the presidential election in 18 is at stake, I think this office will puff.

Quote: Alex_Tug

Effective manager?

Most likely it will. And an example of this is Russian Railways, which was torn apart in parts and in private hands. As a result, instead of one accountant, foreman, foreman, a dozen appeared. As in the story As one man fed three generals. So it is with us.
PS
Today, to us at one of the structural divisions of Russian Railways, the lord came from Moscow, if Matveyev A. doesn’t change his memory, it seems, so the men from the boiler room told him how he answered them about the request for raising Z, P, what is your increase in Z, P. Thank you for crying so much, next year I promised to reduce their RFP by 10-15%. No workwear, no harm, no benefits, all deprived. And they get 15 tyrov.
These are the managers here. Alas. And this is everywhere, not only in a separate structural unit.
Of course, jobs are gut. But as always, fools and roads interfere.

[Indifference]

How is that? -Why, as far as I know, they are deprived of normal design, benefits, etc. and tp? all only by agreement with hindsight! -where protection for workers? where are the unions? why don’t you find yourself working everywhere 6-1 day off for 11-12 hours shift? -they don’t hire workers who love their work and slaves !!! when in general this chaos ends with the disempowerment of the workers? -all they say, sue — why should it go to court? —why not make it so that there is no thought in the minds of these fat women to deceive and exploit ordinary people?

[NKVD]

The governor is lying. This is a 308Win cartridge. very popular with hunters. It is produced by both the Tula Cartridge Plant and Barnaul.

[va3610]

Yes, he does not lie, he just does not understand a bolt what he is talking about.

[Siberia 9444]

Quote: NKVD

The governor is lying. This is a 308Win cartridge. very popular with hunters. It is produced by both the Tula Cartridge Plant and Barnaul.

And also Novosibirsk

[K-50]

The new workshop will house the production of a new range of cartridges of 7,62x51 mm and 8,6x69 mm caliber, which had not previously been produced in Russia.

Probably all for export, a caliber that is not typical for Russia.

[nekish]

7,62x51 shaft, 8,6x69 high-precision take

[cap]

The regional government reported that for 10 months of the current year, the plant shipped finished products to 2,8 billion rubles, which is 122% compared to similar indicators of 2015.

Here the people are shooting. Patronov is not enough

[serverny]

Yes, mostly black and green and shoot.
Americans massively buy Barnaul chambers for them - the benefit is extremely cheap and quite reliable.

[Mavrikiy]

Crap.
Humanly, you need a clean place, a new production, from scratch. Yes, it will come out more expensive, and the state program, and the military stability of the industry ... What are all the eggs in one basket?

[Rudik]

I remembered a wonderful movie and the phrase about the SWINE DRIVE !!!!!!!!!!!
Well, the bullet with the screw rushing ....

[16112014nk]

"Si vis pacem, para bellum."
You want peace, get ready for war.

[Black Separ]

Quote: cap

Here the people are shooting. Patronov is not enough

Well so ... Patrons go to the counts of Voentorg, and there we buy them

[cosmos132]

Cartridges of 7,62x51 caliber go in modern sniper rifles (Russia) to replace 7,62x54 rounds, because the deviation of hits by 1200 m for the new cartridge is 30 cm, and for the old it is twice as much. I chose Manlicher

[Forever so]

For law enforcement agencies ?? And why didn’t they take 10 to 69. A wonderful light heavy caliber complex would work.

[a001126]

I have a boar-308, these cartridges of the production of Novosibirsk, Barnaul, Tula were always on sale, now they cost 35-45 rubles / pc

[Dinko]

Cartridges of NATO countries 8.6x69 is 338 Lapua magnum is just what we need for our sniper rifles.

[BAI]

Americans, when making a long-range sniper rifle, first made a cartridge, to it - a barrel, a butt, then optics and electronics. The cartridge is primary.

[Tuzik]

oh how, 338 is a very expensive cartridge in the west, good export prospects for production, give to the masses.

[Nikola3]

Black Separ]
Well so ... Patrons go to the counts of Voentorg, and there we buy them [quote] And in your place in Lugansk, is something being released now?

[Massik]

Kaby 6x49 would be interesting, with the departure from the ancient 54P, and 338 especially produce and does not require that it is 50000 rounds per year? About nothing. Well, they will sell the 308th in civilian life, anyway it’s a drop in the bucket compared to army calibers.