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Quarantine for migrant workers

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For the third week in a row, the Russian authorities do not please those foreigners who see Russia not only as a country for the opportunity to find a job with a suitable income, but also for the territory of a “temporary” residence. So, on November 15, the government of the Russian Federation adopted a resolution number 2428-r, setting a quota for issuing permits for temporary residence in the Russian Federation in 2017 to foreigners and stateless persons. This quota is reduced by almost 12% compared to the current year: almost 126 thousands of permits in 2016 year against 110 880, planned for next year.


Of regulations Cabinet of the Russian Federation:
The size of the quota for 2017 year is set on the basis of the received proposals of the executive authorities of the subjects of the Federation, prepared taking into account the migration situation and the economic situation in each specific region.

The decision was aimed at improving the efficiency of regulating migration processes and ensuring the uniform application of legislation on the formation and establishment of quotas for issuing temporary residence permits for foreign citizens and stateless persons in Russia as a whole and for each region.


The tendency to reduce quotas also manifested itself the day before, when the government issued a decree of December 3 No. XXUMX. This document provides for the maximum number of foreign citizens who can enter the territory of Russia on the basis of an entry visa - for the implementation of a particular work activity.

Quotas for 2017 year compared to the current year in this situation are reduced by 17,3%. The total number of those foreigners whom Russian employers expect (we are talking about those who arrive in the Russian Federation on the basis of a visa), should be 177 043 people.

From the resolution:
The need of the economy in attracting foreign workers in priority vocational groups is determined on the basis of proposals from the constituent entities of the Federation.


It is especially noted that we are talking mainly about the need for work and talent of qualified foreign “guest workers”. In other words, the Russian employer increasingly needs professionals in high-tech areas and less and less often - low-skilled workers with whom the market has already been saturated and even overloaded in recent years.

Quarantine for migrant workers


The Cabinet of Ministers determined the demand in qualified foreign personnel at the level of 94,8% of the total number. That is, engineers, medical workers, skilled builders, programmers, designers, specialists in the field of information technologies and mass communications need ten times more than “self-educated” tile workers, painters, carers and cleaning managers.

The resolution clearly defines the specific purposes for which the Russian economy may require qualified foreign specialists. From the document:
The decisions made will allow employers to meet the demand for qualified foreign workers, to implement investment projects, including the preparation for holding the FIFA 2017 Football Cup in Russia and the FIFA 2018 Football World Cup in Russia.


The new document is quite remarkable. If earlier Russia kept the “doors” actually open for labor migrants from various countries with any qualifications of these migrants or in the complete absence of such, now the labor market of foreign citizens is relatively clearly regulated. In other words, if the quota for unskilled labor migrants is exceeded, then those will be deported.

In this regard, the question arises: how is it going to deal with labor migrants from countries, for example, the Eurasian Economic Union and the CIS? If we talk about migrant workers from the EEU, then the palm with a large margin in the number of unskilled workers takes Kyrgyzstan. It is this country of the Eurasian Economic Union that “delivers” into the Russian cities of migrant workers, the economic need for a large number of which is controversial. The reason is clear here - the low standard of living in Kyrgyzstan against the background of indicators of other EAEU republics.
A low standard of living pushes citizens of Tajikistan and Uzbekistan to work in Russia, who do not need a visa to cross Russian borders and who (from among those arriving in Russia) are “not burdened” with a higher education engineering or other required specialty. However, by reducing the temporary residence quota, the Russian regulatory authorities bring to the notice of “visa-free” foreigners that the old “freebie” is coming to an end. This leads, firstly, to the fact that the flow of labor migrants from the same Uzbekistan to the Russian Federation will in any case dry up (based on the quotas presented), and secondly, to an understanding of the possibility of an increase in the number of illegal immigrants in the territory of the Russian Federation.

It is quite clear that a person who arrived from the solar "... camp" to look for work in Moscow and, as they say, who smelled money, would hardly accept the fact that he does not fit in terms of quotas or the level of professional qualifications. Such foreign citizens will try to do everything in order not to appear again, as in the film, “in their native village, where they would like to see Comrade Lenin”. And, considering the fact that the Russian market is full of various offices offering guest workers to “legalize” for a certain amount, even if this “legalization” goes against the requirements of government agencies, the problem is really serious. And not all those who resort to the corruption variant of “legalization” remain in the Russian Federation exclusively for honest work ... Those who go into so-called ethnic crime are enough.

Thus, according to the deputy head of the Criminal Investigation Department of the State Ministry of Internal Affairs in the city of Moscow, more than 70% of crimes of a sexual nature against women in the capital are committed by visitors from the countries of Central Asia. It is noteworthy that such statistics has remained almost unchanged over the past few years.

An attempt to go beyond the law by those who decided to stay at any price in the Russian Federation (for a certain period of time) also resonates with other criminal communities offering certain types of “services”. Thus, on the eve of Moscow, law enforcement officers after receiving information from representatives of the E unit of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Federal Security Service conducted a series of detentions. The total number of detainees in different parts of the capital is 25 people, the overwhelming majority of whom are “guests” from the republics of Central Asia, including those with fake passports. According to preliminary information, they are suspected of extremist activity, as well as of links with groups whose activities are prohibited in the territory of the Russian Federation.

A considerable number of representatives of such cells, who at one time entered the Russian territory as ordinary guest workers, “wake up” with time, activating their activities, for example, in social networks. The most frequent objects of attention are young people (citizens of the Russian Federation), who through influence through the network can be involved in criminal (terrorist, pseudo-religious) communities to promote the interests of foreign curators. A part of yesterday’s “guest workers” is being turned into emissaries of terrorist groups, and some into cannon fodder of structures of international terrorism. According to law enforcement, over the past year, more than 400 citizens of Kyrgyzstan across the territory of Russia, and then Turkey, moved to Syria and Iraq, where they joined illegal armed groups, having understood this very “labor” vocation ...

It would be desirable to hope that a more balanced legislation in the field of labor relations with foreign citizens will allow to impose a certain order in this field. Otherwise, the Ministry of Labor will only make a headache for itself and export it to various law enforcement agencies.
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  1. Butters
    Butters 8 December 2016 06: 25
    +15
    It will be as usual: "The severity of laws is compensated by the non-binding nature of their implementation
    1. Titsen
      Titsen 8 December 2016 07: 07
      +5
      Quote: Butters
      It will be as usual: "The severity of laws is compensated by the non-binding nature of their implementation


      I agree that it will be so.

      If the president’s instructions are not executed ...
      1. Kolya
        Kolya 9 December 2016 01: 48
        +2
        Corruption will distort all good undertakings, even if they are. The people are watching that the authorities will not come up with a new one - nothing works. It’s not even possible to draw any conclusion whether there was a good innovation or not. Corruption distorts everything, even distorts what is good and what is bad.
    2. CorvusCoraks
      CorvusCoraks 8 December 2016 08: 01
      +5
      There is not even a severity of laws. What is the severity of laws?

      Such problems need to be addressed comprehensively, finally, so that the boil does not grow, tough.
  2. 210ox
    210ox 8 December 2016 06: 25
    +18
    But I don’t understand .. Are there really not enough doctors, say, or technical specialists ... What kind of production workers have we been expecting from there, where industry has not been around for a quarter of a century? They only produce crime. Shish to them and not work .. Suitcase-station- home to the village.
    1. Butters
      Butters 8 December 2016 06: 59
      +4
      I remember a story about one such guest worker. In the "purulent" department of our city hospital, he used a scalpel to clean out the wound on the throat of a patient. Under local anesthesia. And the patient was his mother at this time: "all sorts of people came in large numbers here", etc. etc. The scalpel at his throat did not bother him in the least. smile
      1. Tatyana
        Tatyana 10 December 2016 11: 36
        0
         Butters
        I remember a story about one such guest worker. In the "purulent" department of our city hospital, he used a scalpel to clean out the wound on the throat of a patient. Under local anesthesia. AND the patient was his mother at this time: "all sorts of people came in large numbers here", etc. etc. The scalpel at his throat did not bother him in the least.
        Ha! The "come in large numbers" of the Russian patient "got it" that he was not even afraid of death!

        By the way, Russians reasonably do not trust themselves to treat migrant doctors! If only by force - under the pressure of circumstances in the form of officials. Officials themselves at migrant doctors are not treated !!!
        Today the migrant doctor is here, and tomorrow, if anything, look for "wind in the field"!
        1. Tatyana
          Tatyana 10 December 2016 12: 40
          0
          One of my acquaintances, by the way, works in the clinic, and once with laughter and indignation she spoke about migrant doctors from the SA.

          She had some kind of trouble with her anus. She did not go to the doctors for a long time - she was shy - she pulled, as they say, until "the last". And when it was completely hot, I finally came to the proctologist. And there the doctor is a man, a "comrade" is a migrant from Central Asia. laughing
          Her first instinct was to jump out of the office and never give himself up to him. But the “back” of her is so “hot” crying that she still decided to surrender to him. fool He examined her, prescribed a medicine and let him go home. And in the morning she was taken to the hospital for an ambulance. And in the hospital, the doctors were indignant that the proctologist on the eve of the examination - with her diagnosis (!) - let her go home, instead of calling an ambulance and sending her straight from the office to the hospital for surgery.
          In general, we talked with her 2 months after this incident, and she looked scary at that meeting! When I asked if she was healthy, she told me the whole story. The disease left its imprint - thinner, older. She said that our doctors simply saved her in the hospital.
          It happened about 2 years ago. Now she is running healthy, blooming, even though marry her again again! Everything continues to work in the same clinic.
          She said that after what had happened, she would never again trust herself to migrant doctors - under no circumstances! - that does not advise me to do this. For it will only get worse.
          1. CorvusCoraks
            CorvusCoraks 10 December 2016 16: 15
            +1
            Wai wai wai, you need to be highly qualified personnel from the CIS !!!
            1. Talgat
              Talgat 11 December 2016 22: 37
              +1
              we have the same situation in Kazakhstan as in Russia

              A huge number of migrant workers from Central Asia - it is understandable why - the standard of living there is many times lower than ours or in Russia

              But on the other hand, these people invest their (and cheap) labor in our GDP

              A lot of things that our Kazakhs or Russians will not do - and everyone hires Gaster for work on the site - or for construction, etc.

              It is possible that this is an inevitable process.
              1. CorvusCoraks
                CorvusCoraks 15 December 2016 19: 14
                0
                I would prefer that they, along with their cheap labor, stay in their homeland and invest it in their homeland. After all, there are such moments that many of them unofficially work without any deductions (1), as you said, cheap labor - because of them, salaries in a number of industries are too low (2), it is high time to mechanize cheap labor, reduce it to minimum, but who will do this when it is easier to recruit "cheap labor" - slowing down scientific progress (3), about the fact that a huge number of them work illegally or commit crimes, national organized crime groups, etc. generally keep quiet (4).
                Personally, I see some cons in their presence.
                I have not already mentioned that they often import unpleasant sores + the general sanitary situation in the country clearly does not improve.
                And again, I have not yet said that in their midst they often preach glad. ideas, then some of them somewhere in Syria may come up.
    2. woron333444
      woron333444 8 December 2016 07: 06
      +3
      I support you, but there really are not enough specialists, namely specialists. We have 140 thousand on the city. population one pediatric neurologist. He is the only, but not an expert. There is enough technical, but little work.
      1. 210ox
        210ox 8 December 2016 13: 23
        +6
        And for the medical specialists, what I want to say is the economic question ... There are enough graduates of the medical academies, but young doctors go where the money is, and not where the work is for pennies .. How much does a children's neurologist get? Thousands of 20 at best .. That's and The reason will be normal payment and Gaster will not be needed.
        Quote: woron333444
        I support you, but there really are not enough specialists, namely specialists. We have 140 thousand on the city. population one pediatric neurologist. He is the only, but not an expert. There is enough technical, but little work.
      2. lis-ik
        lis-ik 9 December 2016 13: 34
        +1
        Quote: woron333444
        I support you, but there really are not enough specialists, namely specialists. We have 140 thousand on the city. population one pediatric neurologist. He is the only, but not an expert. There is enough technical, but little work.

        I will support you, the fact is that for work I often travel to different enterprises. I was very surprised when I saw working "gaster" on some of them using high-tech equipment. For example, a huge and expensive machine for converting waste paper into cardboard with subsequent color printing on it (packaging for foodstuffs), on metal-working machines of the latest models, etc. Those. there are also qualified personnel there, and young people who explained to me as a technician by education how and what works. For example, an assembly (a machine can hardly be called) for processing recyclable materials into cardboard printing on it with simultaneous cutting and folding, I was a lot surprised. I didn’t know at all that there were such people.
        1. Enemy
          Enemy 10 December 2016 12: 10
          0
          > hard to call a machine

          Installation.
    3. Titsen
      Titsen 8 December 2016 07: 10
      +2
      Quote: 210ox
      .What industrial workers we expect from where industry has not been around for a quarter of a century. They only produce crime.


      And our bureaucrats are causing a headache!

      And corruption - any prohibitive and restrictive measures only lead to it!

      Although why bumbling - everything is conscious and in order to survive!
      1. Enemy
        Enemy 10 December 2016 12: 10
        0
        That is, you do not need to interfere with all of us going to us?
    4. Hapfri
      Hapfri 9 December 2016 07: 20
      +2
      Are there really enough doctors, say, doctors or technical specialists?
      They do not speak Russian either)))
      Drug trafficking is their area of ​​application
      1. Uncle Murzik
        Uncle Murzik 9 December 2016 07: 26
        0
        Hapfrey, how did you want, my friend’s capitalism? lol
  3. Fox
    Fox 8 December 2016 07: 06
    +16
    their skilled workers are like dirt ... there’s no work. all. for example, Togliatti. the techies don’t work. people are leaving. new quarters are empty — no one is buying apartments ... they can’t sell theirs. in short, economic growth.
    py.sy.lovers of the site "made by us": take your head out of your ass and look around, at one newly created workplace-20 dismissed.
    1. Landing Station6
      Landing Station6 8 December 2016 10: 25
      +1
      their skilled workers are like dirt.

      We do not have enough turners, welders, bulldozers, electricians, drivers with experience on buses, fuel trucks. This category has work and enterprises hold on to them.
      1. AlexVas44
        AlexVas44 8 December 2016 10: 54
        +8
        Quote: Airborne6
        We do not have enough turners, welders, bulldozers, electricians, drivers with experience on buses ...

        I still wonder how the local driving schools can prepare such a number of bus drivers, and they, in turn, will have experience. I do not find the answer. But each trip on the bus stubbornly claims that the driver in his own country, if he drove anyone, then, apparently, lamb for grazing.
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 8 December 2016 20: 17
          +1
          The bus travels 25 minutes, + there may be a traffic jam .....
          And on their minibus ----- 7 minutes of fear and you're there.
      2. 210ox
        210ox 9 December 2016 05: 40
        +4
        Have you seen the Kyrgyz lathe or Uzbek ..... About electricians and welders do not need la la ... these specialists are, again, the thing is to pay.
        Quote: Airborne6
        their skilled workers are like dirt.

        We do not have enough turners, welders, bulldozers, electricians, drivers with experience on buses, fuel trucks. This category has work and enterprises hold on to them.
      3. Enemy
        Enemy 10 December 2016 12: 14
        0
        And you take the young guys - graduates of vocational schools and technical schools without experience, as before, and after some time you will have experienced workers. Otherwise, where is the youth experience? And one more thing: let your owners and beneficiaries not forget to pay a decent salary, and moderate their greed, abandoning super-profits.
    2. Vladislav 73
      Vladislav 73 9 December 2016 06: 07
      +8
      Quote: Fox
      , on one workplace freshly created-20 laid off.

      100% true! Every year, the states shake up at the plant, every spring and autumn "optimization of the states"! Brigades, plots are reduced, and then it is mostly really "specialists" who leave! And either you do not understand at all, or students with whom the plant has a contract concluded. Those who either do not know how to do anything, or stupidly do not want to, the number is leaving. So it turns out that the volume of work is growing, before the same duties were performed by 2-3 people, now 1 is torn, and the salary is as it was. This remains. And they rub our ears that our productivity is low! They would try to run a shift for three, for a penny! But the bosses became like uncut dogs! This writer, Shargunov, now a deputy, killed somehow in a zombie box, they say, what are you chasing, here is not a very long time ago they opened a plant in the Urals (where he did not specify) for 500 jobs! You come to Chelyabinsk and count how many thousands during this time while your plant was being opened, they were already thrown out into the street! Putin was taken to ChTPZ, but why was he not taken to ChTZ (which was not at that time ......... the line was "Tankograd") then? 4 months delayed salary, actions, pickets, .... And nothing, Governor Dubrovsky and the prosecutor's office are silent, but on TV they tell how life has become better, life has become more fun!
      1. Uncle Murzik
        Uncle Murzik 9 December 2016 07: 31
        +4
        the problem is that employers need migrants as cheap rabsila! remove them, you need to raise their salaries, why Belarusians are not attracted a lot, they need to pay more than Tajiks! the problem needs to be addressed comprehensively! you need to completely abandon migrant workers from the south!
  4. Nix1986
    Nix1986 8 December 2016 07: 28
    +8
    The abundance of migrant workers is a big evil, it slows down the economy, because business doesn’t spend money on modernization of production, why buy a new machine with high productivity, when it is easier to hire 100 gaster. Gaster should remain only in the service sector.
    1. avg-mgn
      avg-mgn 8 December 2016 08: 17
      +2
      This decision pushes to that. Foreigners are needed in their place. I don’t see that they would be hired by large enterprises, their place in the construction of the compound (it’s cheaper), and in the field of improvement, and then under strict control or as part of mixed teams.
      1. Nix1986
        Nix1986 8 December 2016 08: 49
        +3
        There is another point, increased competition in obtaining a quota place will lead to increased corruption (which is a sin to hide, now the situation with migrants is already mired in the corruption component).
      2. Enemy
        Enemy 10 December 2016 12: 24
        0
        Strictly speaking, there is a place for their citizens, and not for cheap rabsile. For it also inhibits the mechanization of labor. Where there is cheap labor at construction sites, there is still manual labor. While in developed countries, the same work has long been mechanized.
    2. Hapfri
      Hapfri 9 December 2016 07: 24
      +1
      . Gaster should remain only in the service sector.

      From which I conclude that in the service industry you have never worked
      1. Nix1986
        Nix1986 9 December 2016 08: 36
        +2
        Well, why, when he was a student, he worked as a security guard and laid down networks. I think that to work as a janitor, knowledge of Russian and decency is enough, to know the effect of quantum entanglement and to be able to write neural networks is not necessary.
        1. Enemy
          Enemy 10 December 2016 12: 25
          0
          And why do we need security guards? Do not recognize your own?
    3. Enemy
      Enemy 10 December 2016 12: 20
      0
      That's right. Why buy, say, a small excavator, if you can hire a handful of digger migrant workers by buying only shovels with stretchers and wheelbarrows?
      I would say that cheap labor force slows down precisely the qualitative development of the economy, as well as the growth of living standards of its people - because salaries do not grow or grow more slowly than they could.
  5. CorvusCoraks
    CorvusCoraks 8 December 2016 07: 58
    +5
    So, according to the deputy chief of the criminal investigation department of the Main Directorate of the Ministry of Internal Affairs in the city of Moscow, more than 70% of sexual crimes against women in the capital are committed by visitors from Central Asia.


    The total number of detainees in different places of the capital is 25 people, the vast majority of whom are “guests” from the Central Asian republics, including people with fake passports. According to preliminary information, they are suspected of extremist activity, as well as links with groups whose activities are prohibited on the territory of the Russian Federation.


    Some of yesterday’s “guest workers” are turning into emissaries of terrorist groups, and some are becoming cannon fodder of international terrorism structures. According to law enforcement agencies, over the past year, more than 400 citizens of Kyrgyzstan through the territory of Russia, and then Turkey, have moved to Syria and Iraq, where they entered illegal armed groups, understanding that way their "labor" calling


    Arrivals from Asia, Transcaucasia are not needed! No matter how many they see, but
    engineers, physicians, skilled builders, programmers, designers, specialists in the field of information technology and mass communications
    , among them I have never met.
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 8 December 2016 13: 53
      +2
      Quote: CorvusCoraks
      , among them I have never met.

      Well, it means your environment is like that. I have not a single trader in Azerbaijan. Some of my relatives are doctors, other military men, football players (by the way, they all left the Russian Federation, although they were born here, but I don’t need to explain what’s happening with football) Those who graduated from St. Petersburg State University they left the Russian Federation and again for the same reason, in Europe and in the Historical Homeland there are more opportunities and prospects (here, as every general says, his son), etc. And the same situation among my other Georgians and Armenians I know. 1 cousin he will soon graduate from a university and have knowledge of German, he will leave either to Azerbaijan or Germany, but rather to Germany, and the other banking sector with honors and a connoisseur of Chinese will also leave. The trend is, the higher the preparation, the higher the likelihood of leaving Russia, although this Russian children who were born here and some who saw their historical homeland once in a lifetime. Well, even my nephew, who was a purebred Russian, left to speak))) He lives with his grandmother in Baku, his grandmother even learned to speak Russian)))
      1. CorvusCoraks
        CorvusCoraks 8 December 2016 17: 03
        +2
        Quote: Yeraz
        Quote: CorvusCoraks
        , among them I have never met.

        Well, it means your environment is like that. I have not a single trader in Azerbaijan. Some of my relatives are doctors, other military men, football players (by the way, they all left the Russian Federation, although they were born here, but I don’t need to explain what’s happening with football) Those who graduated from St. Petersburg State University they left the Russian Federation and again for the same reason, in Europe and in the Historical Homeland there are more opportunities and prospects (here, as every general says, his son), etc. And the same situation among my other Georgians and Armenians I know. 1 cousin he will soon graduate from a university and have knowledge of German, he will leave either to Azerbaijan or Germany, but rather to Germany, and the other banking sector with honors and a connoisseur of Chinese will also leave. The trend is, the higher the preparation, the higher the likelihood of leaving Russia, although this Russian children who were born here and some who saw their historical homeland once in a lifetime. Well, even my nephew, who was a purebred Russian, left to speak))) He lives with his grandmother in Baku, his grandmother even learned to speak Russian)))

        What interesting relatives do you have, without clan, without tribe, without homeland? Of course, I understand what you’ll say now, why not, etc.
        The main thing is that if they squeeze there, let them not come back, although what am I such people are always looking for a better place ...

        And as for the specialists from the CIS, in comparison with the thousands, millions of low-skilled workers, there are only a few of them.
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz 9 December 2016 15: 17
          0
          Quote: CorvusCoraks
          What are your interesting relatives, without a clan, without a tribe, without a homeland?

          What does it mean without a clan, without a tribe and a homeland ??? Unlike most Russians, many know their kind, the homeland is Azerbaijan and voila we even know which Türkic tribes we belong. The Russians probably don’t know anyone further than their cousin. So, such keep expressions for yourself.
          Quote: CorvusCoraks
          The main thing is that if they squeeze there, let them not come back, although what am I such people are always looking for a better place ...

          Well, this is not for you to decide. In general, the Türks have the proverb My Land is where the hooves of my Horse are.
          Quote: CorvusCoraks
          And as for the specialists from the CIS, in comparison with the thousands, millions of low-skilled workers, there are only a few of them.

          So this generation of the 90s was, right now another generation is growing and being born and they are better prepared and will not go to unqualified work.
      2. Hapfri
        Hapfri 9 December 2016 07: 34
        +2
        although these are the children of Russia born here

        All the same, the children of Russia do not leave Russia. Ethnic Russians have no tendency to change their place of residence. On the contrary, there is now a large flow of Russians from Ukraine who want to stay and live here, in the Russian environment, surrounded by Russian culture.
        If you are leaving here, then Russia has not become your homeland. Germany will not become a little breeze and you will leave from there.
        1. Uncle Murzik
          Uncle Murzik 9 December 2016 10: 07
          0
          Hapfrey apparently there are no Russians among them belay The negative trend started back in 2012, and already in 2015, according to official statistics from Rosstat, 350 thousand people left Russia forever, which is 10 times more than, for example, in 2010. This is the largest number of emigrants in the last 16 years.

          Details at: http://dos-news.com/lenta_novostei/emigraciya-iz-
          rossii-bet-rekord-za-poslednie-16-let.html
        2. Yeraz
          Yeraz 9 December 2016 15: 20
          +1
          Quote: Hupfri
          All the same, the children of Russia do not leave Russia. Ethnic Russians have no tendency to change their place of residence.

          Listen to these tales, tell others who do not live in Russia, and not who was born in Russia. For a start, read the data of official structures about the outflow of Russians. And I myself see how Russians leave the Russian Federation and how many more are there, but you don’t have the opportunity be surprised THEY ARE ALL ETHNIC RUSSIAN !! Only 5 acquaintances in China, 1 in Japan cleaned up. 2 families in India, 1 in Cuba, Turkey and 7 in the USA are still different in Europe and these are only those that I personally know, and my acquaintances even more. And most are all young and educated.
        3. Yeraz
          Yeraz 9 December 2016 15: 28
          0
          Quote: Hupfri
          If you are leaving here, then Russia has not become your homeland. Germany will not become a little breeze and you will leave from there.

          Of course, it didn’t and willn’t. You Russians simply don’t feel double standards for yourself, but we feel. It’s difficult for me to get into the club in St. Petersburg, because I come from the Caucasus, although I come there surrounded by 10 of my acquaintances Russians. At the hiring nationality it matters a lot in career advancement. It is clear that Russia will not be our homeland in the same sense as the Historical Homeland. And here we will always be second-class people on a state scale and in the consciousness of the titular nation.
          And Germany will not become a homeland, they’re not traveling for that. It’s just that in terms of career growth and development there are better conditions. That's all. Plus Turkish Ghettos, where you can merge with them for the benefit of 1 people. And in Russia he took a Russian wife, consider everything your kind It stopped, because in 90% of cases, children from these families consider themselves Russian or do not consider themselves, but behave like Russians and then your family stops.
          We would be glad to move to Azerbaijan, but not everyone will be able to live in that mental environment and it is not so easy to drop everything here and move to another place to start everything from scratch. When the young guy is still fine, and when all the relatives are here and everything you have here is hard.
          1. CorvusCoraks
            CorvusCoraks 9 December 2016 17: 00
            +1
            "Just in terms of career growth and development, there are better conditions. That's all. Plus Turkish Ghettos, where you can merge with them for the benefit of one nation."

            The same rats, like the current "migrant refugees", only you hint that you would work, and not go for benefits. Well, the fact that there are those among us who "just to fill their belly" - who are only interested in "Just in terms of career growth and development there are the best conditions", is not surprising.

            "Of course, it has not become and will not. You are Russians, you just do not feel double standards on yourself, but we do. It is difficult for me to get into the club in St. Petersburg, because I am from the Caucasus, although I come there surrounded by 10 of my Russian acquaintances. nationality matters, in career advancement and much. It is clear that Russia will not be a Motherland for us in the same sense as the Historical Motherland. And here we will always be second-class people on a national scale and in the consciousness of the titular nation. "

            And you didn’t think that your behavior, influx over the past 25-30 years, that your nationality, that the rest, which now have separate independent states, just got everyone. What is this attitude more than justified? What bad, guarded attitude towards you did not appear from scratch?

            They would behave like modern, civilized people, not cave savages, and the attitude would be normal. But it seems that this does not threaten you for a long time.

            Oh yes, more like friends, I think without you even the air would be cleaner.
            1. Yeraz
              Yeraz 9 December 2016 17: 35
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              Quote: CorvusCoraks
              The same rats as the current "migrant refugees", only you hint that you would work, and not go for benefits

              People are educated and want to develop, and there are better conditions, what's bad ???
              Quote: CorvusCoraks
              And you didn’t think that your behavior, influx over the past 25-30 years, that your nationality, that the rest, which now have separate independent states, just got everyone. What is this attitude more than justified?

              Well, so the behavior of individuals, and not the majority, according to your classification, and Europeans are right to call Russian savages and cavemen.
              Quote: CorvusCoraks
              Oh yes, more like friends, I think without you even the air would be cleaner.

              Here is the confirmation of my words. Knowing nothing about me, you immediately put a tick without you even saying air cleaner. Not knowing how I behave in society, etc. Just because of the blood.
              Exactly such a fascist as the Germans or some like in Ukraine, but people like you are most yelling about fascism among others, behaving the same way.
              But in the end, we will live where we decide. It’s not the USSR, which moved us by force, wherever he wants. And if there will be CRITICALLY many Nazis like you in the community, we will have an option, in the form of relatives who settled in Germany and other places, and in the historical homeland.
              The dispute is over from the caveman to the CIVILIZED bully
              1. CorvusCoraks
                CorvusCoraks 9 December 2016 17: 54
                +1
                Quote: Yeraz
                People are educated and want to develop and there are better conditions, what's bad

                Such people can develop everywhere, you know the saying "Where they were born, they were useful there"? And if not, can it be about them? Maybe they don't put in enough effort or are they not so educated or want to develop?

                Quote: Yeraz
                Well, so the behavior of individuals, and not the majority, according to your classification, and Europeans are right to call Russian savages and cavemen.

                Ahaha, well, well, individuals))) A little out of laughter from the chair did not fall)))

                Quote: Yeraz
                Here is the confirmation of my words. Knowing nothing about me, you immediately put a tick without you even saying air cleaner. Not knowing how I behave in society, etc. Just because of the blood.

                So wait, you wrote in each post about your friends how they left and how good it is? What does it have to do with
                Quote: Yeraz
                Just after the blood.
                ? I just pointed out to you, since you are so happy for your friends, then do not use any opportunity to take advantage and leave our
                Quote: Yeraz
                Russian savages and cavemen
                cave-savage society.

                "Exactly a fascist like the Germans or like some in Ukraine, but like you, the most yelling about fascism among others, behaving in the same way." I am not a fascist, I am the one who is on nat questions, nat. he doesn't close his eyes and + don't like it very much, once someone about some ephemeral friends who has dispersed around the world starts singing - it's too old song "it's time to blame", I've already heard a lot from people of certain views. I always say that, no one keeps you, only then back if you don't ask for anything.

                "Well, in the end, we will live where we decide for ourselves. This is not the USSR, which moved us by force wherever it wants. And if there are CRITICAL a lot of Nazis like you in the society, we will have an option, in the form of relatives, who settled in Germany and other places, and in the Historic Homeland. "
                Yes, it’s definitely not the USSR, there would be an empire, figs who would allow the country to fragment and gain independence.
                Well, in Germany, of course, they are waiting for you, because now there are so few visitors ...
                Oh yes, "Nazis, such a fascist, like the Germans or like some in Ukraine" if this is because I have my own point of view and you do not like it, then you are no better than the Europeans who shout "fascists" about nationally oriented forces , but they themselves do not see the Ukrainian and Baltic fascists point-blank.
                Now the argument can be considered over. yes
              2. vladimirvn
                vladimirvn 10 December 2016 11: 15
                +1
                People like you have no homeland (Yeraz). You are mold in any society, therefore the attitude towards you is appropriate. Wherever you live, you will never go to protect your land. What is in Armenia, what is in Azerbaijan, you Russian quickly indicate where their place is. am
                1. Yeraz
                  Yeraz 10 December 2016 15: 47
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                  Quote: vladimirvn
                  People like you have no homeland (Yeraz).

                  I have a specific Motherland Historical Azerbaijan.
                  Quote: vladimirvn
                  Wherever you live, you will never go to protect your land.

                  What are you ?? My father went to Russia from Russia and defended Azerbaijan, I’m the son of my father and I’ll also go to fight if a full-scale war begins. So don’t judge a person you don’t know.
                  Quote: vladimirvn
                  you Russian quickly indicate where their place is.

                  I indicate to the Russians where their place is ?? I don’t suffer from it. As my father says, this is their land and their rule, you conduct it worthy of your family and its honor is enough. And that the Russians are doing this Russian business. If it comes to critical a point that doesn’t suit you, pack your things and leave. It’s good we live in the modern world and can settle down wherever we want. We can indicate to the representatives of our blood in our Historical Homeland, otherwise it’s not our business.
  6. knn54
    knn54 8 December 2016 07: 59
    +1
    We are building capitalism. However. And in this case, the "owner" kills not TWO, but THREE birds at once
    - savings on wages (including taxes to the budget),
    - knocks down prices for local,
    - and, most importantly, directs the hatred of local workers not against themselves, the "good", but on the "come in large numbers", because of whom troubles occur.
    - 210qu: Is there really not enough of our say doctors?
    GOOD have long left. And here is the REAL case:
    About 7 years ago, two pediatricians and a surgeon arrived from Palestine with their families. Their wives are Kharkiv women, they also graduated from the local medical institute. Great practice (under military conditions). They successfully passed certification. After that they got jobs. ASKED for 5000 cu ... And this is when there is a shortage of QUALIFIED specialists!
    PS I have affirmed and will affirm: SUCHABILITY is our scourge. Therefore, first of all, we need HIGHLY QUALIFIED teachers, engineers, etc.
  7. Alexander S.
    Alexander S. 8 December 2016 08: 28
    +3
    Once I moved to another region ... to study and work ... I received temporary registration ... they asked me what kind of education ... where I worked ... where I will work ... as if I received a work permit. .. felt like a guest worker.
  8. lwxx
    lwxx 8 December 2016 08: 38
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    I think that this is also due to the fact that a hundred this year there are many immigrants for permanent residence. And just illegal immigrants increased.
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 8 December 2016 13: 58
      +1
      Quote: lwxx
      And just illegal immigrants increased.

      On the contrary, it has decreased. And so I visit the FMS periodically, then most of them are Ukraine, then Moldova, then Russians from Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan, Armenia and Georgia. Moreover, if you take Ukraine and Moldova, these are new arrivals, Russians from Kazakhstan are mostly old people moved to their children and want a second pension, then Azerbaijan, Armenia and Georgia are mainly women who have lived here for 20 years and did not consider it necessary to obtain Russian citizenship, because my husband works, why do you need a passport, but the law has become tougher, there have been many deportations and everyone ran to get through their husbands. And those guys who were also born here and RF citizens by birth, but found their wives in the Historical Homeland and wives also need to obtain citizenship. Only I have such famous people 5. And my brother will most likely be there to look for a wife and plunge into the beautiful world of Bureaucratism FMS)))
      There are few representatives of Asia
  9. Krayt
    Krayt 8 December 2016 08: 56
    +8
    Foreigners in Russia are not needed at all, they take a piece of bread from the indigenous population of the Russian Federation, take money out of Russia and increase the level of crime in the Russian Federation.
    1. Skeptic Self-Taught
      Skeptic Self-Taught 8 December 2016 15: 15
      0
      And you go revenge street?
      1. Krayt
        Krayt 8 December 2016 17: 09
        +2
        In Khatkovo they drove out all the gasters and found the locals so that the streets of revenge ...
      2. cast iron
        cast iron 8 December 2016 19: 59
        +6
        Why don’t you go the streets of revenge yourself, wise guy? You think there are no pensioners or students to earn extra money as janitors? You’ll say a penny, and I’ll tell you that a penny is precisely because Tajik slaves are gaining bird rights without registration under the Labor Code of the Russian Federation. And the chiefs of communal organizations, at the expense of slaves from Middle Asia on Land Cruisers, drive around in expensive fur coats.
      3. vladimirvn
        vladimirvn 10 December 2016 11: 07
        +1
        Yes, I would not refuse as a second job or retirement. Especially if the salary is decent. And then Gaster only salaries damping us.
      4. Enemy
        Enemy 10 December 2016 12: 37
        0
        Yes, any granny for a good salary will go for revenge. As it was in the USSR. So do not say stupidity ...
        1. Skeptic Self-Taught
          Skeptic Self-Taught 10 December 2016 14: 37
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          Key phrase: a good salary ... so sit still, worn-out ...
  10. VladimS
    VladimS 8 December 2016 08: 56
    +2
    Quote: Titsen
    And corruption - any prohibitive and restrictive measures only lead to it!

    Those. propose nowhere to prohibit anything and not to restrict anything?
    We will go far with a similar approach.
  11. avt
    avt 8 December 2016 09: 50
    +1
    In this regard, the question arises: what about the situation with labor migrants from countries, for example, the Eurasian Economic Union and the CIS?
    wassat The question arises: did the author not understand that the EAEU member states generally don’t deliver migrants to Russia anymore, but now they are moving to themselves within the framework of a single labor market ?? Unlike the CIS.
    1. AlexVas44
      AlexVas44 8 December 2016 10: 59
      +2
      Quote: avt
      ... now there is a complete movement within the framework of a single labor market ...


      And let the movement go on. It all depends on the employers - they are ready to accept anyone, just to bring down tariffs, less "arose" and more shovels thrown.
    2. Volodin
      8 December 2016 11: 23
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      Quote: avt
      Type no longer deliver to Russia

      That's right, that "type" ... This is the first.
      Second, instead of wasting time on inserting chipped emoticons, the reader should be interested in the definition of a labor migrant.
  12. den-protector
    den-protector 8 December 2016 11: 59
    +5
    These quotas are exclusively for official employment, and how many more will work in the "shadow". It is the "shadow" employment of migrants that is beneficial primarily to our bourgeoisie, in order to save on costs, in particular, mandatory payments to the budget and state extra-budgetary funds. There are probably more of our smaller brothers in large cities, such as Moscow and St. Petersburg, than allocated by quotas for the country as a whole. Why this self-deception or the illusion of some kind of government regulation?
  13. Altona
    Altona 10 December 2016 16: 38
    +1
    I am not a racist, but let the inhabitants of Central Asia, and partly Moldova and Ukraine, feed on their "independence" and the power of their "statehood". We have enough of our unemployed people in abundance. In my city, several thousand people go to work.
  14. Zolotse
    Zolotse 10 December 2016 22: 05
    +1
    I know several Uzbek women who made themselves a fictitious marriage for money, and live here "for a sweet soul" and nothing threatens them. And "our citizens helped them in this, and at all stages
    1. CorvusCoraks
      CorvusCoraks 11 December 2016 14: 03
      0
      Our people have become too selfish, if only to get the benefit themselves, and what will happen next does not bother them. These include rubber apartments (20-30 Gaster people live in an apartment), university dormitories that donate to Gaster illegally, the illegal issuance of citizenship, which is sometimes even worse than simply illegal stay, etc. etc.
  15. Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 11 December 2016 19: 13
    +2
    I am begging you. As long as I was not Russian citizenship, I did not get out practically without any quotas and official employment from the Russian Federation. There are a million options and developments on how to get around this whole "kitchen".