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Operation "Caucasus". Soviet rocket men in Egypt

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It's nice that the publication of some articles, especially those related to our recent past, provoke a response from readers. There are a lot of people among the readers of our publication who either themselves took part or knew those who took part in any operations. It is clear that secrecy for quite a long time did not allow them to tell even their relatives about these events.

It happened with a recent publication about the operation "Anadyr". One of the readers, Viktor Nikolaevich, wrote in the comments that he had the opportunity to participate in a similar operation in the 1970 year. In fact, it was this comment that became the starting point for today's story. True, the author of the commentary served in a slightly different incarnation. He was a military adviser. But in contact with the rocket engineers tightly. Therefore, I considered it important to remind this feat of the Soviet soldier.

The end of the 60s was characterized by a violent confrontation between Israel and Egypt. Both countries sought to occupy a dominant position in the region. The Israelis, by that time, completely refused to cooperate with the USSR and went "under the wing" of the United States. The Arabs, in particular, and Egypt, on the contrary, began to develop relations with the Soviet Union.

In 1967, during the Six Day War, Israel inflicted a crushing defeat on Egypt. To estimate the scale of Egyptian losses, we give some figures. The coalition of the Arab countries lost in 6 days up to 40 people killed, wounded and captured. Over 000 were destroyed or captured. tanks1 artillery barrels. Arab aviation lost over 400 aircraft!

The offensive of the Israelis was so rapid that during this short war Israeli units and formations captured the Sinai Peninsula, the Gaza Strip, the Golan Heights and the West Bank.

In principle, the resistance of the Arabs was suppressed. The region became not just a time bomb, but a blazing bonfire. The flames of this campfire could spread anywhere. What we have repeatedly seen in subsequent years. The USSR was forced to respond.

10 June The Soviet Union broke off diplomatic relations with Israel and sent a warning to Tel Aviv about the need to end hostilities and resolve the conflict by peace negotiations. And to better understand the situation, the ships of the Northern and Black Sea fleets were sent to the shores of Egypt, which, as part of the operational squadron, practically blocked the region.

A Soviet Marine Corps was landed in Port Said. And on top of that, a squadron of Tu-16 strategic bombers with nuclear weapons on board. The fighting stopped the same day. The opposing sides stopped on the line of the Suez Canal. Front stabilized.

It was necessary to restore the Egyptian army. The Soviet Union began a massive supply of military equipment and weapons to Egypt. It was then that many Soviet officers went on missions in the region. It was necessary not only to supply equipment, but also to train the Egyptian army to use these weapons.

The task was solved by the end of 1968. The new army of Egypt has become modern. And this somewhat turned the heads of the country. Cairo decided to start low-intensity hostilities. The calculation was, from the point of view of the Egyptians, correct. Resources of the Arab countries and Israel were not comparable. A war of attrition would ultimately lead to the defeat of Tel Aviv. In fact, the war began in March 1969. But officially, Egypt announced a cease-fire commitment only in April.

What was behind the term "war of attrition"? In reality, these were constant shelling of the east bank of the Suez Canal with long-range artillery. Egyptian aviation raids on Israeli positions. "Air Hunt", when Arab pilots attacked enemy planes and destroyed them during short skirmishes. In addition, the Egyptian "commandos" were activated. Groups of saboteurs constantly destroyed objects in the rear of the Israeli troops.

Naturally, the Israelis could not tolerate such a situation. Despite the fact that superiority in artillery in particular and military equipment in general, Egypt was overwhelming.

The response to the insolent actions of Cairo became air raids on the Arab positions of Israeli aviation. The effectiveness of the raids was so great that at the end of July 1969, the Egyptians sharply reduced the intensity of the shelling. The fact is that in the Israeli army, the principle of the obligatory response has operated and is still in effect. Simply put, any artillery attack, any sabotage, any shelling should be punished. And as fast as possible.

For example, let's take the work of the Israeli aviation 20-24 July 1969. On the Suez Canal, 7 divisions CA-75M were deployed to cover the artillery batteries from the airstrikes. They were located in Suez, Port Said and Ismailia. After several launches, 6 from the 7 divisions were completely destroyed in four days. That is how effective the work of the Israeli aviation.

In addition, the Israelis moved their blows to the rear of the enemy. Now strikes were inflicted not only on military targets, but also on civilians vital for Egypt. The Israeli Air Force constantly "hung" over the Egyptian cities conducting reconnaissance and identifying targets for subsequent attacks. The first aircraft of the Phantom F-1969 (according to the Israeli Kurnass classification) were put into service (September 4 of the year). In addition, the Israeli Air Force was equipped with Skyhawk and Mirage 4С aircraft.



The population of Egypt was demoralized. Realizing that an air strike could be made at any time, the Egyptians began to talk more and more about the need not only to stop the war, but to change the country's political course. So, to shift the president Gamal Abdel Nasser. Egypt could "explode from the inside."

In early December 1969, Nasser secretly arrived in Moscow. The goal is to persuade Brezhnev to send troops to Egypt and create a missile shield from enemy aircraft. Moreover, Nasser offered any concessions, any actions on the part of Egypt. Up to entry into the ATS. In the end, the Egyptian president convinced the Soviet leadership. It was decided to help the "brotherly Egyptian people." But, given our relationship with the United States, the action was supposed to take place without a pump.

In such a situation, the operation of the Soviet Army began, which entered its history codenamed "Caucasus". That is how it was named in the order of the USSR Minister of Defense Marshal A. A. Grechko. The essence of the operation was to create an air defense system in Egypt based on regular units and subunits of the Soviet Army. The initial actions of the USSR consisted in the formation of a special air defense division from the active units and the subsequent dispatch to Egypt. Marshal of the Soviet Union PF Batitsky, commander-in-chief of air defense, personally set tasks for an operational meeting at the headquarters of air defense forces.

The basis of the future Egyptian air defenses should have been made up of various 18-th special anti-aircraft missile division brigades. 13 January 1970 of the year issued an order for its formation and combat coordination. The assigned division commanders received personnel and equipment and were sent to the landfills in Ashuluk and Yangalzh for combat shooting at low-flying targets.

The 18 division included:

—1-I ZRBr (559 ZRP), commander Col. B. I. Zhayvoronok;

—2-I ZRBr (582 SFR), commander Lieutenant Colonel N. A. Rudenko;

—3-I ZRBr (564 SFR) commander Major V. A. Belousov;

—4-I ZRBr, commander Colonel Shumilov (already in Egypt, the brigade was reduced to one division, which made it possible to increase the number of divisions in the other brigades to 8).

Under the command of the division commander, Major-General A. G. Smirnov, there were 24 anti-aircraft missile division, 4 technical division, 2 technical batteries, 24 air defense platoon, 3 full and 1 reduced maintenance, tuning and repair work Shilok.

March 2, 1970 the division began to be sent to Alexandria. The brigades were delivered to the port of Nikolaev and distributed to civilian vessels. For the delivery of the division, 16 merchant ships were involved. fleet. Each ship took on board 2 S-125 divisions along with equipment and personnel, as well as a certain amount of equipment and personnel of other units. On the upper deck there were only tractors, cars, generators and Shilka (covered with tarpaulin). The personnel and missile launchers were loaded into holds.

According to the established scheme, the soldiers and officers of the Soviet Army became "civilian" people. The captains of the ships did not know the route. With the passage of certain points, the next packet was opened. Moreover, even the pilots were not allowed on the bridges of ships. And on the upper deck officers were on duty with weapons. In order to prevent desertion or attempts to contact someone. There was a closed order to shoot to kill anyone who made at least an attempt to jump overboard.

It should be noted here that, despite all the precautions, the secrecy of the operation was not respected. Enemy reconnaissance knew perfectly well about all the actions of our units, about their composition and missions. Moreover, the Americans and Israelis openly mocked our efforts to maintain secrecy. So, immediately after entering the Mediterranean Sea, an American carrier-based fighter appeared over the very first transport. "Agricultural machinery" was not particularly interested in him. It was a "demonstration of knowledge". Israeli radio in Russian in the news constantly reported on the advancement of Soviet transports with the latest secret missiles to Alexandria. It’s a paradox, but our soldiers and officers were the least enlightened in this matter.

5 March. The first Rosa Luxemburg transport entered the port of Alexandria, which unloaded on the night of March 6. Brigade Zhayvoronka already in the evening 6 March began the march. In the evening, 7 March began its deployment at Cairo West. 18-I special division began to carry combat duty in the Egyptian sky. What Israeli radio leaders laughed at, the new 125-e complexes, will soon become a worthy opponent for Israeli aviation. A small, but formidable rocket will be a terrible dream for the Phantom pilots.

Immediately after arriving in Alexandria, the soldiers and officers changed into Egyptian military uniforms without insignia. It was assumed that subordinates should know all the commanders and superiors in person. However, in reality it turned out that the divisions and units lost control in many respects. The soldiers simply did not know how to react to the next "commander".

This led to some confusion at the port of discharge. The speed of unloading, the rapid redeployment of equipment and weapons in the hangars, the presence of many unfamiliar officers, led to confusion of personnel. And this, in turn, was the cause of the "loss" by units of its weapons and technical equipment. The columns left, and the cars "were" later. Some “lost girls” spent weeks wandering in foreign divisions.

The issue with the commanders was resolved brilliantly in Russian. Unlike private and non-commissioned officers, officers began to wear jackets. Now anyone could see if the jacket was tucked into a soldier's trousers. And vice versa.

Operation "Caucasus". Soviet rocket men in Egypt





Equipment position for launchers process is quite long. That is why a special team dealt with this issue long before the appearance of the division in the Egyptian sands. But it is more interesting for us to learn about what soldiers face in such conditions.

The fact is that the feature of this theater is sandy ground. That is, the equipment of traditional shelters and communications in Egypt is simply impossible. The sand is crumbling, and all the work goes down the drain. But even when visually there are shelters, after the first burst of ammunition everything turns into useless dunes.



It was then that our fighters met with the local kind of dugout - Malga. Malga was equipped simply. In any recess was established skeleton of reinforcement. Then the walls of the frame were lined with sandbags. Then it was necessary only to sprinkle the resulting structure again with sand from the nearest sand dune. Masking perfect. But, protection in the event of serious shelling, useless. A close-blasted ammunition "pierced" the malga, like butter knife.

However, many of those who were in Egypt remember the malga as a home. Especially those who were seconded to the Egyptian units. They lived in dugouts for months. The only inconvenience, except for shelling, is a deserted living creature. Geckos and other lizards lived quite comfortably in the Malgo. And did not cause inconvenience. Unless, of course, falls from the ceiling on the face in a dream. But scorpions, phalanxes, tarantulas and other insects ... It is necessary to shake up the bed, clothes and everything that needed to be worn over. Even half an hour after you take off your pants or jacket, there will already be a scorpion tired of the sun and will perceive your invasion as aggression.

In the channel area there is another attack. These are flies and huge red mosquitoes. And in the reservoirs of many parasites. The usual bathing of two fighters in the channel turned for them sending home and disability. About dysentery and other delights of this kind and do not write. Everyone understands that the body of a Soviet person is not well adapted to local diseases. According to the recollections of the participants in the events, he rescued the old soldier’s method - alcohol.

The story of a special division would not be complete without combat episodes. Just because for the "fright" of very competent Israeli pilots, grounds were needed. And the beginning of the work of the Soviet air defense was quite dramatic. And in no way connected with the Israelis.

The fact is that the Egyptian aircraft were equipped with the Soviet system of their own-alien "Silicon-1". 26 December 1969 of the year in Ras Gariba Israeli DRG captured right at the airfield and took the Egyptian reconnaissance and target designation station P-12PM by helicopter. Silicon-1 system requester was in the hands of Americans. And then the Israelis. Arabs continued to use "Silicon-1". On the Soviet air defense system, there were new systems "Silicon-2".

14 March 1970 of the year to the position of the battalion N. M. Kutintseva received a signal about the detection of a low-flying goal on the airfield. Chief of Staff 86 ZRBr Rzheussky asked for the presence in the air of their aircraft. The Egyptians reported that they were not in the air. After that, at the command of Rzeussky, the division worked with two missiles on the target. The plane was shot down. The pilots died.

As it turned out, Russian Egyptian reconnaissance aircraft IL-28BM was shot down by Russian missiles. The plane was returning from a mission over the Mediterranean Sea. Guilty made, of course, Soviet officers. Lieutenant Colonel Rzheussky received a warning about incomplete office compliance from the Minister of Defense.

This case is not the only one. The agility of the pilots and aviation services of Egypt simply amazed our missilemen. So, March 18 were shot at by arrows covering two aircraft. The Strela-2 MANPADS anti-aircraft gunner from the platoon of the C-125 battalion in Alexandria launched a An-24 civil aircraft at an altitude of about 1000 meters. The shooter did so by executing the order, which was brought to him just a day before. "Airplanes flying below 6 km and closer to 25 km should be considered enemy planes and destroyed."

In another division, the Su-7B UAR fighter-bomber fired. The pilot violated all orders and entered the division's area of ​​responsibility. And the plane went straight to the position. The anti-aircraft gunner performed the launch and hit the target. The pilot was also able to land the car, as in the case of the An-24 with a damaged engine. But the Arab pilots "began to respect" the Russian air defense.

Now about the episodes of combat work, which discouraged the Israeli pilots from testing the strength of Soviet air defenses.

5 July 1970 of the year 10 ZRDN CA-75M and 3 ZRDn C-125 first met in real combat with 24 enemy planes. At three o'clock in the afternoon, a group of 14 aircraft attacked the positions of the rocket men. The Israeli "Phantoms" of 69 squadron divided into two groups. The shock group of three pairs was at a low altitude on the Soviet position.

The division of Lieutenant Colonel S. K. Zavenitsky performed two starts. As a result, one of the Kurnass was shot down. The rest left the battlefield and left the shelling zone.

Egyptian CA-75M opened fire on aircraft of other groups. They became the authors of another victory over "Kurnass." Thus, the result of the first raid was the loss of two "Phantoms" by the Israelis. But, as mentioned above, Israeli pilots always paid off debts. Therefore, in the 16 watch began the second raid by a group of 10 aircraft. This time, the Phantoms decided to attack the CA-75M who were standing in ambush. Two divisions met the group with fire in the forehead. Worked not only rocket launchers, but also anti-aircraft artillery. 69 squadron lost another Phantom.

After this raid, the Israelis for a short time died down their ardor. The command began to look for ways to counter the new missiles.

Probably the hardest fight in this confrontation took place on July 18 1970. Unlike previous "arrogant" attacks, this patina was beautifully designed. Only the most experienced and reputable pilots are selected to participate in it. Almost legends of Israeli aviation: Major Shmuel Hetz (commander of the 201 th air squadron) and Lieutenant Colonel Avihu Ben-Nun (commander of the 69 air squadron).

During the raid, the enemy used an aircraft equipped with means of suppressing the radar of early detection of air defense of the UAR. In principle, the brunt of the attack was on the Egyptian CA-75M. However, a pair of Major Hez went on the attack on the division Tolokonnikova. Moreover, the calculation of the CHP of the division was forced to transfer tracking and control on the 2-th operating frequency. The 1 frequency was jammed with interference.

Tolokonnikov launched two missiles. The plane of Hets, in spite of the anti-missile maneuver, was shot down. The aircraft operator jumped with a parachute, and the Hetz himself died trying to reach the airfield.

The position from which the plane was shot down Hez, spotted Ben-Nun. He decided to strike retaliation. However, the anti-aircraft gunners managed to detect the attack and launched the 3-second launch with two missiles. The enemy attempted to conduct an anti-missile maneuver, but a rocket exploded next to the 69 squadron commander's plane. The downed plane was able to reach the base, but was not subject to recovery.

However, Ben-Nun’s slave, Captain Aviam Sela, decided to attack Tolokonnikov’s position at an extremely low altitude. The goal was discovered, but there was not enough time to work out a new capture and firing cycle. NURy and bombs hit right on target. I will continue to refer to the findings of the investigation. Probably, the fragments of exploded ammunition hit the rocket engine. There was a fire burning solid fuel, which turned into a fire. Further, from the standpoint of other divisions, they saw a column of black smoke and heard an explosion. With a characteristic white cloud. Detonated warhead rocket.

The entire launch crew was killed, the driver of the TZM, a soldier from a different settlement, who helped his twin brother. You can and should list these soldiers by name:

- Lieutenant Sumin Sergey Petrovich, senior technician-head of the antenna post;

- Private Mamedov Alshat Heydan-ogly, senior number of the starting calculation;

- Private Didenko Evgeny Fedorovich, driver;

- Private Dobizh Nikolay Vladimirovich, the number of the starting calculation;

- Corporal Zabuga Alexander Anatolyevich, senior battery operator;

- Private Naku Ivan Ivanovich, the number of the starting calculation;

- Private Dovganyuk Nikolay Andreevich, senior number of starting calculation;

Private Dovganyuk Ivan Andreevich, senior number of starting calculation.

The combat history of the special division continued. Rocket-fighters conducted active hostilities from June 30 to August 3 1970. During the battles 8 aircraft destroyed, shot down 3 (figures recognized by Israel). The division’s total losses were 12 men. Of these, combat 8 (this particular battle is described above), 3 people died in accidents and 1 people from the disease.

166 division soldiers were awarded orders and medals. Two, division commanders Nikolai Mikhailovich Kutintsev (on the account of the division according to the Decree on awarding the title of Hero of 11 goals and not a single loss of personnel) and Popov Konstantin Ilyich (in the battle of 3 on August 1970 of the year his division shot down 2 and knocked out one aircraft), were awarded the title of Hero Soviet Union.





This article only covers one side of Operation Caucasus. The story is told only one heroic connection. But during this period in Egypt there were pilots and technicians of the 35 th separate fighter squadron on the Mig-21MP, the 135 th aircraft fighter regiment on the same aircraft, the 63-th separate aviation detachment on the Mig-25P and Mig-25RB. There were military sailors from the 5 of the Mediterranean Operations Squadron. There were sea pilots from the 90-th separate special-purpose reconnaissance air squadron. There were warriors of electronic warfare from the EW Center. There were signalmen from the 513-th separate short-wave communications battalion and VHF communications company. There were military advisers in the Egyptian parts.

It is impossible to forget the fighters who participated in the wars "which were not". Forget victories can not be doubly forgotten. Russia has stood and will stand on this. Our memory is the basis of our strength.

Today we can talk a lot about the expediency of the tasks performed by our soldiers and officers. However, our goal is to pay tribute to the memory and respect to those who executed the order of the Motherland.

The authors strongly recommend all readers to refrain from the modern political component when commenting on this material.
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  1. Olena
    Olena 6 December 2016 05: 50
    +5
    -Our military .., of course, heroes .., as always .., but the effectiveness of their actions is "inappropriately small" ...
    -Losses of Israel are insignificant and simply incomparable with the losses of Arabs, Egyptians and our military ... -If the actions against the Israelis were effective enough, then all of Israel would simply be blown away .. like a balloon ...
    -Our, as always, simply did not have enough professionalism and decisiveness in our actions ... -What was it to sit among the red-hot sands and wait for attacks from the Jews ... -It was necessary to deliver preemptive strikes ourselves ... at the identified Jewish airfields ... And so ... -the Jews remained in the "heroes" and imagined themselves ... God knows what, and ours .......................... ....
    1. domokl
      domokl 6 December 2016 06: 32
      +23
      Do you even understand that ours helped the Egyptians recreate air defense, and did not fight with Israel? And second, do you imagine a ground operation in that area? How many troops would have to be delivered there. And last, but what about the World War II? The Americans lead also supplied equipment and military advisers. And in the event of a direct attack, they would definitely not stand aside ...
      So, I'm sorry, but they wrote complete nonsense ...
      1. Olena
        Olena 6 December 2016 07: 54
        +2
        - Yes, you yourself write nonsense ... - People like you always have a "causal reason" for all occasions ...
        -Our incompetent "military specialists" stupidly trampled in Egypt and in the Blok East .. without any visible positive results ...
        - Until the apotheosis of the complete fiasco of "our specialists" was the air battle with the Israeli Air Force on July 30, 1970 ... when the Jews simply knocked down "our aces" who had arrived ... as in a training battle ...
        -After that, both the Egyptians and the Arabs were completely disappointed in "our help"
        -And Anwar Sadat did ... -then he "made peace" with Israel ...
        -Such as you then too ... -Also immediately found "good reasons" ... our shame ...
        1. domokl
          domokl 6 December 2016 08: 52
          +12
          Are you in the kuos of this fight? I mean just three of our fighters 30 July? Or wikipedia? read the memories of fighters .. you will learn a lot. And about the attitude of the Soviet pilots there ... And do not know why the 30 battle took place? How did the Israelites act before and after this battle? Oh and your head is filthy ..
          1. Olena
            Olena 6 December 2016 09: 13
            +3
            -Yes Yes Yes Yes....
            -Yes ... - "reason" you have already found ... - "- Who could have expected ..; -who would have thought ..; -and it turns out they applied ..; -and we were not ready ..; -and they had, but we didn’t have ..; -and now, if only ..; -and now we had "grenades of the wrong system" (as in the movie "White Sun of the Desert" ... -what referred to the "gallant warrior" when he was simply thrown out of the window ...) ...
            -It is your head that is filthy with your "reasons and excuses" ...
            -Russia (USSR) then lost five of our fighters ... -they were shot down and our pilots died .. and the Jews managed without losses at all ... -they only had one plane damaged, which then landed on its own airfield ...
            1. zoolu300
              zoolu300 6 December 2016 13: 08
              0
              This is a war, a chain of victories and defeats, and in a war, losses are inevitable. Let us, by your analogy, declare the pilots of the Israeli Air Force and its command "armless and headless", because they could not do much against the divisions of our air defense systems. There can be no guarantee of an easy victory with a serious opponent.
          2. veteran66
            veteran66 6 December 2016 10: 55
            +5
            Quote: domokl
            I mean just three of our fighters on July 30?

            why three? The Israelis, of course, indicate more, but there were five of them, two died, two returned, some fragmentary information about one. But the battle was not in our favor from the very beginning, starting from the organization and ending directly with the battle itself. True, our pilots fellows, were able to resist numerically superior enemy from a previously losing situation, but Olena is partially right (a). Having prepared the pilots for aerial combat, we were completely unprepared for their organization and support, it’s a shame that we stepped on the same rake (starting from Khalkhin Gol, through the Second World War, Korea and to Egypt)
            1. domokl
              domokl 6 December 2016 11: 39
              +2
              I will not argue. Despite the great superiority of the enemy (no less than 30 aircraft), Kamenev's quartet was put into action, the battle took place in vertical maneuver at altitudes of 12-2000 m. Zhuravlev - the wingman was shot down and ejected.

              Four Yurchenko pulled up to the battlefield to build up forces, but unnoticed at the extremely low altitude "Phantoms" (according to our data, more than 12-ti aircraft) when approaching the battlefield (at a distance of 10 km from the battlefield) produced a rocket attack of the link in the climb as a result, the presenter Yurchenko exploded in the air, while Yakovlev and Syrkin catapulted out of wrecked airplanes. Makara engaged the Mirage, which evaded the attack, and he landed at the nearest airfield. Yakovlev died after the ejection due to the defeat of the parachute dome, he was caked, apparently, with an afterburning jet of a flying airplane.

              But our third four (Saranin, Vasiliev, Mazur, Suprun) took off after the start of Yurchenko's four in three minutes and arrived at the battle site, where there was no one else, and only three smoke from the fallen aircraft could be seen. "(According to the recollections of the pilot, captain B .F. Vasilieva)
              1. veteran66
                veteran66 6 December 2016 11: 54
                +2
                Quote: domokl
                (According to the memoirs of the pilot captain V.F. Vasiliev)

                Yes, I read this, only this is only a small fraction of all the information about that fight, but even from this story it turns out that Yurchenko, Yakovlev and Syrkin were shot down, and before that Zhuravlev. Yakovlev died after the bailout due to the defeat of the canopy of the parachute, and Zhuralov (in my opinion, the material on this battle at home) was killed by hitting the stones during a landing (ZS tore during the bailout). Until now, nothing is known about Kamnev (Kamenev), it seems they heard about him after this battle, and someone says that the plane did not reach the airfield. Five in total.
                1. domokl
                  domokl 6 December 2016 12: 08
                  +1
                  In general, I, too, a little do not understand some of the nuances. I mean the ambush tactics we got caught on. It seems that there flowed from ground services directly to Israeli airfields. At least 69 I acted very purposefully. But, not an aviation specialist. It is necessary to communicate with specialists. There will certainly be voices.
                  1. veteran66
                    veteran66 6 December 2016 12: 16
                    +3
                    Quote: domokl
                    It is necessary to communicate with specialists. There will certainly be voices.

                    everything has already been sucked and posted on the Internet, both from our side and from the opposite, even the Arabs hurried in advance. You rightly pointed out, we were trapped. The Jews quickly saw through our tactics and competently set up an ambush, and ours chased after "easy prey", according to one of the data (from the Arab side), the Egyptians warned that not everything is as easy as it seems, but ... we are all smarter. So four of us dashed against 24, and then 4 more came up from our side and 12 from the Jewish side. The outcome of the battle was a foregone conclusion.
                  2. Black Colonel
                    Black Colonel 7 December 2016 10: 08
                    0
                    "We need to talk to the specialists. There will be versions I will definitely voice."
                    Previously, VAF lived here, an inveterate specialist in aviation technology and everything related to aviation. good Then he changed his nickname. But something I have not watched for a long time. Here he would give a complete picture of those events.
              2. Monarchist
                Monarchist 6 December 2016 18: 17
                0
                Where can I read it?
            2. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 6 December 2016 12: 52
              +5
              Quote: veteran66
              True, our pilots fellows, were able to resist numerically superior enemy from a previously losing situation

              8 "mirages" and 4 "phantoms" versus 16 "moments" somehow do not attract a "numerically superior enemy".
              Quote: veteran66
              Having prepared the pilots for aerial combat, we were completely unprepared for their organization and support, it’s a shame that we stepped on the same rake (starting from Khalkhin Gol, through the Second World War, Korea and to Egypt)

              The worst thing is that, using the EWs extensively themselves, our Air Force was absolutely not ready for the EW to be used against them. Moreover, on a rake of low stability of standard IA control circuits to the effects of electronic warfare, ours will attack regularly - in 1973 and 1982.
              In the last big Arab-Israeli war, almost all air battles in the area of ​​the same Bekaa valley took place like a carbon copy: first, a demonstration group was discovered, the raised forces of the Syrian IA were displayed on it with commands from TsUNIA ... and then an attack group appeared. Terrestrial radars see the strike group - but TsUNIA fighters cannot notify about it: Syrian communications channels are clogged with electronic warfare. And the airborne radars of the Syrian fighter aircraft do not see the fighters - they are out of the cone. Further, the demonstration group disperses and, together with the strike group, arranges for the beating of the Syrians.
              And worst of all, the USSR's air defense completely relied on the same "radio control" from the ground - right up to the automatic launch of the fighter to the target.
              1. veteran66
                veteran66 6 December 2016 13: 19
                +3
                Quote: Alexey RA
                8 "mirages" and 4 "phantoms" versus 16 "flashes"

                8 "mirages" and 4 "phantoms" against 4 flashes (link Kam (e) neva), then Yurchenko's link pulled up, which was neutralized by the approaching "phantoms", the last link flew in when everyone already "made noise and dispersed", except Moreover, you do not take into account two more links of "phantoms" circling in the wings in the event of a build-up of the USSR Air Force. I absolutely agree with the rest in your post, for which you and +
          3. a
            a 6 December 2016 14: 20
            +1
            Where it is possible to read about this battle, if it is not difficult to link, it is really very interesting, otherwise the Israelis with their exorbitant pride are full of all kinds of works, but I just can’t find ours.
            1. veteran66
              veteran66 6 December 2016 14: 26
              +1
              Quote: un-e
              Where can I read about this fight,

              You search for a battle on July 30, 1970 in a search forum. Here on the forums in disputes, the whole truth comes up, up to the side numbers of aircraft and the names of the pilots. Five years ago, I analyzed the information about this fight, now I don’t remember the links, but I found it that way
            2. veteran66
              veteran66 6 December 2016 14: 30
              +1
              http://www.rusarmy.com/forum/threads/vozdushnyj-b
              oj-vvs-sssr-i-izrailja-30-ijulja-1970-goda. 11501 /
              Quote: un-e
              that's where you can read about this fight
              , and the most interesting and balanced already in the discussions, the story itself from the brave Jews
            3. Monarchist
              Monarchist 6 December 2016 18: 29
              0
              Honestly: I don’t know about it at all. Somehow I came across a Jewish book about the 1973 war, and that’s all, but the material is interesting.
              Comrades, if you know, kint the list (preferably in Aldebaran or similar reader x)
          4. bug_1
            bug_1 6 December 2016 16: 33
            +2
            Yes, our domocles crap all right .... do not be like this that in the eyes of God dew ...
            1. hohol95
              hohol95 6 December 2016 20: 13
              +3
              And you do not become like those who say - Jews were routed in the air battle of Russians in the Beka Valley ... Be careful in expressions!
        2. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 6 December 2016 12: 31
          +7
          Quote: olena
          -Our incompetent "military specialists" stupidly trampled in Egypt and in the Blok East .. without any visible positive results ...

          HSCI, exactly the same specialists hustled in Vietnam. And there the results were many times better.
          Maybe it's not in specialists? wink
          Quote: olena
          - Until the apotheosis of the complete fiasco of "our specialists" was the air battle with the Israeli Air Force on July 30, 1970 ... when the Jews simply knocked down "our aces" who had arrived ... as in a training battle ...

          The Red Army is strong, but its connection will destroy ... © sad
          1. Black Colonel
            Black Colonel 7 December 2016 10: 15
            0
            "Maybe it's not a matter of specialists?"
            Until hell there were limitations and contradictions in the instructions for the use of military equipment. Politics, PANIMASH, was humane. Hence all the troubles. And as soon as politicians cease to get into the actions of military experts, the result immediately makes itself felt.
        3. Monarchist
          Monarchist 6 December 2016 18: 11
          +1
          Now sitting at home is easy to clever. Would you be there to do
          1. volodin 51
            volodin 51 6 December 2016 22: 15
            +4
            WE were in Egypt, the soldiers and officers, the conscripts fulfilled their duty. We, the boys, soldiers from the 35th squadron, were 19-20 years old. And I do not regret anything.
    2. volodin 51
      volodin 51 6 December 2016 21: 57
      0
      Have you been there?
      1. sivuch
        sivuch 7 December 2016 10: 07
        0
        In 82, I was finishing grade 10 (unless, of course, that was the question)
        1. sivuch
          sivuch 7 December 2016 10: 42
          0
          My previous post is missing somewhere
  2. Do not care
    Do not care 6 December 2016 07: 07
    0
    Thanks to the authors for an interesting story.
    Very likely.
  3. midshipman
    midshipman 6 December 2016 07: 44
    +8
    And in 1972, the MiG-25R appeared in Egypt. With a group of specialists from NII-33 (p / box 188), we have arrived at VNIIRA. The work was great. The United States and the Israelis folded, notes fell at the UN. I published an article about these events in "VO" "Creative business trip". I have the honor.
    1. volodin 51
      volodin 51 6 December 2016 22: 01
      +1
      MiG-25R arrived in KAIR-WEST in the spring of 1971.
  4. Lazy ozzy
    Lazy ozzy 6 December 2016 10: 39
    0
    List of fighters of the dead, real USSR.
  5. bbss
    bbss 6 December 2016 11: 37
    +4
    He served an emergency in 1970-72 in the Air Defense of the Country. At the end of the training (Kulyab), many soldiers wrote reports on the direction of service in Egypt or Vietnam. The mood was fighting. Some officers in the training managed to serve in hot spots.
  6. tezey
    tezey 6 December 2016 12: 35
    +6
    For olena. So you wrote, or wrote - Our military .., of course, heroes .., as always .., but the effectiveness of their actions is "inappropriately small" ... In this case, illiterate nonsense. The effectiveness of our military operations in Egypt was correspondingly great. The task set to prevent the bombing of Egyptian territory was fully accomplished. Or is it not so? Exactly. Therefore, do not trend about what you do not know.
    1. Black Colonel
      Black Colonel 7 December 2016 10: 23
      +1
      The effectiveness of our military in Egypt was accordingly great.
      Arabs have always had low morale. When they win, they are heroes. As soon as the slightest kipish is planned - immediately scattered. This is their genetic feature.
  7. a
    a 6 December 2016 14: 18
    0
    [quote = domokl] Are you in the kuos of this fight? I mean just three of our fighters on July 30?
  8. hohol95
    hohol95 6 December 2016 15: 27
    +4
    Why did Gamal Abdel Nasser rush to Moscow? Losses! Not even a shadow of information about the "Raviv" raid flashed, when 6 captured T-54 and 3 BTR-50s smashed to shreds the Egyptian air defense system consisting of Soviet radar stations !!!
    Then, six captured T-54 tanks and three BTR-50 tanks, painted in colors and with identification marks of the Egyptian army captured in the “six-day war”, were transferred to the Egyptian coast of the Gulf of Suez. True, the crews were Israeli. Within ten hours, the detachment marched fifty kilometers, attacking Egyptian units. In total, 19 coastal defense posts, two early warning radar posts and several rear camps were hit. The losses of Egypt amounted to about 150 people killed, including one general. Up to 40 radar stations were destroyed !!!
    The IDF had only one lightly wounded. 1 Skyhawk was lost, the pilot was killed. After this operation, Nasser fired the NGSH and the commander of the Egyptian Navy. And on September 18, Cairo announced the temporary suspension of Nasser's work as president at the direction of doctors. As it became known later, Nasser had a heart attack, it is highly likely that successful Israeli special operations played a significant role in this.
    And it is likely that the Egyptians bargained with secret information regarding the arrival and locations of our military !!!
    1. Monarchist
      Monarchist 6 December 2016 18: 33
      0
      It looks like it was
    2. skeptic31
      skeptic31 6 December 2016 21: 24
      0
      Can you even imagine what a radar is? Even if we talk about such protozoa as the P-12, which were seen at 300-500 km. (Of course, low-flying at such distances they were too tough). Moreover, if you consider that at first, when ours were not there, the Egyptians generally had a complete seam with radar. The Egyptians at that time did not have such a huge number of radars. In addition, just like that, without cover, radars are not worth it. They, as a rule, are either part of the missile division, or, very large, are located far in the rear, in very small numbers. Or do you think that the Israelis destroyed 40 air defense divisions?
      1. hohol95
        hohol95 6 December 2016 23: 14
        0
        Though I am "", but not ""! Certainly not divisions! I am writing that the air defense network WAS FROM about 50 radar stations! In pieces! Why they were poorly defended is a question for the Egyptians!
      2. hohol95
        hohol95 6 December 2016 23: 23
        0
        Weapons have been supplied to them since 1955!
    3. skeptic31
      skeptic31 6 December 2016 22: 52
      +1
      And they bargained at the highest level.
  9. hohol95
    hohol95 6 December 2016 16: 07
    0
    On November 4, two Kurnassa appeared above Cairo, several times at low altitude breaking the sound barrier. The result was thousands of window panes bursting from the sound wave. This psychic attack was supposed to demonstrate the ability of the Israeli air force to strike even at the most protected objects in Egypt - and the capital certainly belonged to those. On November 11, 1969, the Israeli Phantoms won their first air victory. In a fleeting battle over the Gulf of Suez, the crew of the 69th squadron with the AIM-9B rocket shot down one MiG-21.
    1. Black Colonel
      Black Colonel 7 December 2016 10: 28
      0
      thousands of window panes burst from the sound wave
      There are still blocks of equipment out of order. A platoon told us when I urgently served in 70 ZRBr in the MPR.
  10. EvgNik
    EvgNik 6 December 2016 17: 35
    +1
    Alexander, Roman - thanks for the article, recalled the past. Thanks to all the guys for the pretty correct polemic.
    bug_1, as expressions like yours are not particularly respected on the site, the result of your comments is 0.
    Draw conclusions.
  11. skeptic31
    skeptic31 6 December 2016 19: 14
    +5
    A very good article. Still such articles about other operations. About Syria, about Vietnam. From myself I will add only a few details, solely to clarify some events. The defeat of the first group of Egyptian S-75 divisions occurred solely because of the Arab sloppiness. They placed the divisions in a line along the Suez Canal. At the same time, they did not make sure that they covered each other. This is necessary because this division is defenseless against aircraft that attack it from the upper vertical. Those. the plane creeps up at low altitude, then makes a candle over the division, and attacks in a dive, the most accurate and safe attack. In addition, two more points need to be added. This group of Egyptian divisions lacked the necessary radar cover. The roofing felts were saved by the Egyptians, our roofing felts did not suggest how this could end. To this must be added the low moral stability of the Egyptians, who often just scattered when they saw the attacking Israeli aircraft. True, they still fired a couple of missiles on planes.
    Israelis very rarely attacked with one or even two pairs of aircraft. The attack pattern used was usually three or even six pairs. While some couples attacked, or rather, depicted an attack on the forehead, the main pair (s) tried to approach the target at a very low altitude, so that after making a candle, they would simply shoot the target point blank.
    The Silicon-1 interrogator is an important production, but it's not that simple. The requester himself is not that much. Its structure is not so complicated, but you need to know the radio frequency codes, which are constantly changing. For example, pilots change them even in flight. This is a very simple operation - I pulled out one circuit and installed the other. The order of changing the codes is strictly confidential and never repeated. By the way, the Israelis had nothing of the kind. Their most "terrible" secret is how much they shot down their planes. Especially during the fighting against Syria.
    Information about the "shelter" in the sand is interesting, but again not complete. In fact, she was more related to the 75th complexes. The 125th was easier to harbor. They are more compact or more mobile. Often, shelters for them were made directly in ordinary buildings. Demolished extra walls and roofs, which were replaced by bamboo mats. Such pre-prepared positions made it possible to frequently and covertly change the positions of our divisions and attack suddenly.
    And the loss figures given in this article are obviously taken from Israeli sources. Our data are somewhat different and I’m not sure that their sources should be trusted so much. I can not believe that because of such small losses, they were forced to stop raids on Egypt. And they stopped the raids.
  12. hohol95
    hohol95 6 December 2016 20: 36
    0
    “It should be said that for the first time the issue of sending Soviet troops to Egypt was raised back in March 1968 during negotiations with the USSR Foreign Minister A.A. Gromyko and the USSR Defense Minister A.A. Grechko who arrived in Cairo. President Nasser initially insisted increase the supply of weapons and equipment for the formation of two more divisions, then increase the number of Egyptian pilots trained in the USSR, and, finally, send "volunteer pilots" from socialist countries or Soviet aviation units and air defense regiments to Egypt.

    As General Malashenko recalled: “The reaction of Marshal A.A. Grechko was restrained. The minister replied that it was not easy to resolve these issues, he would report on their content to the Soviet leadership. He noted that, in his opinion, two more divisions would be formed and armed within a year difficult, it will take at least two years. The number of Egyptian pilots trained in the USSR could be slightly increased. Regarding the additional supplies of tracked vehicles, it was stated that the Soviet army itself needed them.

    Marshal Grechko considered it inexpedient to send volunteer pilots to the UAR, and the transfer of entire units from the Soviet Union was a matter of big politics. "

    Unlike the Minister of Defense, an active supporter of the expansion of the military presence in Egypt was the USSR Ambassador to Cairo, S. A. Vinogradov. General Malashenko later recalled how the military, and primarily General P.N. Lashchenko, they tried to prove to the ambassador that the Egyptians have a double superiority in power over Israel, but do not want to fight themselves and therefore seek to free the Sinai with the wrong hands. For some time, the arguments of the military leadership took effect. Subsequent events showed the correctness of General P.N. Lashchenko. All military specialists who visited Egypt and Syria unanimously noted the constant desire of the Arab leadership to solve problems with their own hands - they passionately wanted victory over hated Israel, but preferred that it was done by soldiers and officers of the Soviet Union.

    After a year and a half, the opinion of the Soviet leadership regarding direct participation in the Middle East conflict has changed. This time the question met with "understanding" and consent was given.
    In December 1969, the General Staff of the Soviet Armed Forces and the General Staff of the Air Defense Forces presented to the country's leadership a plan for Operation Caucasus.
  13. hohol95
    hohol95 6 December 2016 20: 49
    0
    Something no experts with Stars of David!
    "On the night of November 9-10, 1969, the destroyers Nasser and Domietta, carrying Soviet specialists, in cooperation with missile and torpedo boats, coastal artillery and with the support of aviation, fired at Israeli positions in the Rumani and El -Baluz. As a result of the shelling, military equipment concentrated in these places, fuel and ammunition depots, as well as a mechanized brigade of Israelis were destroyed. When breaking away from the enemy, the destroyers were attacked by more than 40 Israeli aircraft for two hours, 3 of which were shot down. "
    1. Kaiten
      Kaiten 6 December 2016 21: 23
      +1
      Quote: hohol95
      Something no experts with Stars of David!

      What for?
      50 years ago, you swelled about a hundred billion dollars in Arabs when workers all over the country stood in lines for milk and meat, and in Novocherkask there was even a working revolt. As a result, you were expelled from Egypt with shame. Now in Syria are stepping on the same rake. If we ignore the cheers of patriotic nonsense, your affairs there are, to put it mildly, difficult. And most importantly, the Arabs will not appreciate it. Here the Middle East, there is a different mentality. I have been living here for more than 25 years, and still am amazed at some aspects of Arabic psychology.
      1. hohol95
        hohol95 6 December 2016 21: 52
        0
        Live at least at the cold pole! I'm just interested in the opinion on the events "On the night of November 9-10, 1969, the destroyers Nasser and Domietta ............! Do you have IT? If not, then no!
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 6 December 2016 21: 55
          0
          Quote: hohol95
          Live at least at the cold pole! I'm just interested in the opinion on the events "On the night of November 9-10, 1969, the destroyers Nasser and Domietta ............! Do you have IT? If not, then no!

          "Yashkin's Tales".
          1. hohol95
            hohol95 6 December 2016 22: 11
            0
            So this was not? And the explosion of 2 Egyptian torpedo boats with the death of divers on September 8, 1967, wasn’t there?
            1. Aaron Zawi
              Aaron Zawi 6 December 2016 22: 21
              +1
              Quote: hohol95
              So this was not? And the explosion of 2 Egyptian torpedo boats with the death of divers on September 8, 1967, wasn’t there?

              I don't know anything about this. In general, I completely disagree with the assessment given by the Soviet officers to the Egyptians. In 1973, their anti-aircraft gunners, after the withdrawal of Soviet specialists, managed to inflict heavy losses on the Israeli Air Force. The units of the "commando" and the ATGM company proved to be excellent. So arrogance is out of place.
              1. hohol95
                hohol95 6 December 2016 22: 28
                +1
                And what is arrogance? Egyptian boats - Israeli divers!
                They started well in 1973 - finished BAD! We got out from under the air defense umbrella and that’s all .......... And the fact that they themselves sold their secrets to you was written about this a lot around the world!
              2. hohol95
                hohol95 6 December 2016 22: 43
                0
                You will not mind this!
                "Another way to use supersonic fighters was psychological pressure on the population. The Israelis were the first to do this, tortured to death by Egyptian artillery raids. Operation Shock began in November 1969, in which F-4s performed supersonic flights at low altitude over Cairo and other Egyptian cities. The results in some raids were amazing: people burst their eardrums, glass fell in windows, and even telegraph poles did not always withstand an acoustic shock. At the same time, these raids could not produce any military effect, but the Israelis hoped that the population of Egypt will demand peace.The Arabs, of course, were not averse to living in peace, but without the Jews, and therefore their reaction was adequate, but since the MiG-21 from airfields located east of the Nile Delta could not reach Israeli cities, but sonic strikes on the enemy garrisons in the Sinai did little, the Syrian Air Force was involved in retaliatory actions of this kind. Arya 29, a single Syrian MiG-1970 demonstratively crossed the sound barrier during a low-level flight over Haifa, which shocked a good half of the city's residents. The "response" of the Israeli Air Force command was predictable: the effect of "shock therapy" extended to the cities of Syria. "
                And how did the MiG-21 manage to fly over Haifa? They say MiG-25s flew over Israel and for some reason they were not shot down!
        2. Dan4eG
          Dan4eG 6 December 2016 22: 43
          0
          Quote: hohol95
          I'm just interested in the opinion on the events "On the night of November 9-10, 1969, the destroyers Nasser and Domietta"

          And one more thing: according to Izkor 9-10 / 11/69, we had two dead - Yakov Shabtai and Amira David, one milimnik from the Navy, another from the Air Force
          1. hohol95
            hohol95 6 December 2016 22: 46
            0
            Is this when shelling the destroyers of the coast?
            1. Dan4eG
              Dan4eG 6 December 2016 23: 00
              +1
              Quote: hohol95
              Is this when shelling the destroyers of the coast?

              as something "destroyed concentrated in these places military equipment, depots of fuel and ammunition, as well as a mechanized brigade of Israelis" and the two dead do not stick!
              1. hohol95
                hohol95 6 December 2016 23: 26
                0
                Someone had bad glue!
      2. hohol95
        hohol95 6 December 2016 21: 56
        0
        And let me curiosity - did you study at your own expense in the USSR? They didn’t go to kindergarten for the state. score? Dig Khrushchev with Brezhnev and ask them questions that are of interest to you!
        1. Kaiten
          Kaiten 6 December 2016 22: 37
          +2
          Quote: hohol95
          They didn’t go to kindergarten for the state. score?

          Do you know why in Soviet times, an American engineer at a plant in the USA received several thousand dollars, and a Soviet engineer 120 re, an order of magnitude or two less? Therefore, the lion's share of the relying salary, the Soviet state was underfunded with the sauce that then this money is returned in the form of free kindergartens, schools, medicine, housing, etc. In fact, this allowed by reducing the living standards of owls. citizens to accumulate huge financial surpluses, which were used to maintain all sorts of dubious regimes in Africa and Asia. So that the free Soviet kindergarten, it is not free, it is paid by the under-paid salary of our parents.

          Quote: hohol95
          Did you study at your own expense in the USSR?

          Have you heard about the distribution? In Soviet times, a student, because he studied for free, was obliged to work 3 years in any place where the state would send him. There is nothing socialist about this. In some cap. countries, a similar system is also practiced. In addition, Soviet Jews were obliged to pay their diplomas when leaving the state of Israel for about 7 thousand rubles — this is a salary for five years (average salary 120 r).
          1. hohol95
            hohol95 6 December 2016 22: 40
            0
            I AM NOT ONLY WALKING ...........
            Dig Khrushchev with Brezhnev and ask them questions that are of interest to you!
            And you paid for your diploma?
            1. Kaiten
              Kaiten 6 December 2016 22: 50
              0
              Quote: hohol95
              And you paid for your diploma?

              No, with a break broke into Sheremetyevo. He not only paid, but also gave a subscription, that by the end of the month I undertake to leave the USSR.
            2. Kaiten
              Kaiten 6 December 2016 22: 54
              +1
              Quote: hohol95
              Dig Khrushchev with Brezhnev

              The son of the kondovo communist Khrushchev lives in the United States. Dad in the next world is spinning in a coffin. Distilled America called.
              Gd punished the descendants of Brezhnev.
              1. hohol95
                hohol95 6 December 2016 22: 58
                0
                Wouldn’t you go to an engineer - a logger, a miner, a high-voltage installer, a fur animal hunter! STALEVAR !!! And you were drawn to cold offices!
          2. hohol95
            hohol95 6 December 2016 22: 49
            0
            Would NOT go to engineers - would go to violinists or cellists! Oistrakh! Rostropovich! And you would be presented with golden chess and Stradivarius violins! And the Russian bosom-all would have stolen it! In life! Or talent didn’t come out?
            1. Kaiten
              Kaiten 6 December 2016 22: 56
              0
              Quote: hohol95
              Would NOT go to engineers - would go to violinists or cellists!

              What naivety. Do you think conservatory diplomas did not have to be paid?
          3. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 6 December 2016 22: 57
            +4
            Quote: Kaiten
            Soviet Jews were obliged to pay their diplomas when leaving for the state of Israel about 7 thousand rubles -

            Why are others silent about this? There, Atalef, he froze all eyes with his chumodan and 20 bucks in his underpants, that he had taken out of the Union, but was silent about 7. sad
            1. Kaiten
              Kaiten 6 December 2016 23: 01
              0
              Quote: Mordvin 3
              Why are others silent about this?

              Think it's time to claim a refund? Thanks for the good idea ...
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 6 December 2016 23: 11
                +2
                Quote: Kaiten
                Think it's time to claim a refund?

                We will not give it back. And then even then you will demand the cost of apartments, at the market price. Figures. repeat
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                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 6 December 2016 23: 22
                    +2
                    Quote: Kaiten
                    It is very Jewish

                    Who lead the ... laughing
                    Quote: Kaiten
                    Look how many people in the world feed.

                    It was in the Union that they fed all kinds of different African loafers, and they themselves fell apart. Enough, I guess.
                    1. Kaiten
                      Kaiten 6 December 2016 23: 32
                      0
                      Quote: Mordvin 3
                      Who lead the ...

                      Naturally, if the "Jewish" faces have left, then the Mordvinians will have to be "Jews".

                      Quote: Mordvin 3
                      It was in the Union that they fed all kinds of different African loafers, and they themselves fell apart. Enough, I guess.

                      Probably.
                      1. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 6 December 2016 23: 45
                        +4
                        Quote: Kaiten
                        "Jewish" muzzles left

                        No, they are all over the place. crying
                        Quote: Kaiten
                        Mordvinians will have to be "Jews".

                        Where are we, Siri, but wretched. belay
      3. Ilja2016
        Ilja2016 23 March 2017 22: 21
        0
        Wait, rake in full)
  14. Dekabrist
    Dekabrist 6 December 2016 22: 36
    +9
    Attention Mr. olena and other couch armies. Sorry, that is long, try to read it, otherwise it will be with you too. I apologize to Vasily, so the author. So.
    Vasya lived a quiet, calm life of those who are called office plankton. He lived quietly and peacefully. I went to work and pretended to be working. He killed working hours by wandering around the network and communicating on sites and forums. He especially liked watching videos from the scene of hostilities. Although at one time Vasya had slanted from the army, but after watching a bunch of videos, he considered himself an expert in tactics of warfare and military equipment. Revising such videos, he left caustic comments under them. Like, "they don’t know how to fight," or "Yes, I would have driven such torn footcloths." Many agreed with Vasya's opinion when he commented on the political situation and rejoiced at the ongoing conflict. Well, still, a new conflict is new videos from the war, which will give the opportunity to show their deep knowledge to experts like him. They make the blood run through the veins faster, looking at the deaths of others.

    So Vasya lived. Discussing events on the network and the military, sitting in a warm and comfortable office. For lunch, he went to a cafe. And he would continue to live like this until once a strange man in a gray suit sat down at his lunch break.
    - Good afternoon, are you busy? - the man asked and calmly sat at the table to the middle manager. Bob muttered something and continued to surf the net from his iPhone. What does he care about a neighbor? Here on the forum there is a debate about the advantage of the new tank over a submarine in the conditions of warfare in the stratosphere. Vasya expressed his opinion, a number of users called schoolboys. A number of users who claimed that this was impossible were called downs and sent "smoking" materiel. Vasya enthusiastically argued which army is stronger and which technique is cooler.

    The neighbor sat quietly nearby and drank coffee, watching with interest how Vasya poked at the smartphone screen, scribbling comment after comment ...

    “And you know, I came after you,” a neighbor on the table said suddenly.
    “What?” Vasya hardly looked up from the smartphone screen and stared at the man in surprise.
    “You know, I like you.” You have deep knowledge in combat tactics and colossal knowledge of the technical and technical characteristics of military equipment of the armies of the world.

    “Calculated by IP!” Thought Vasya. - "So what? Whom have I recently called names on the forum? Who did you fight with there? ”

    Meanwhile, the neighbor continued.
    “I will help put your knowledge into practice.” Such fighters have always been needed.

    Vasya leaned back in his chair, the flash blinded and he fell on his back ... to the ground! “Where does the earth come from in a cafe in the middle of the city ?!” thought Vasya and was horrified by what he saw, he was dressed in camouflage and body armor, and a machine gun was lying nearby.

    Everything around has changed. A neighbor on the table, who sat quietly a second ago, now stood over the manager. And around were the ruins of a building. Shooting was heard nearby.
    “Glitch, for sure! While he sat on the net, he poured this drug into my coffee! ”- Vasya thought feverishly.

    -Nope, what you see is not a hallucination. This is war. That you so loved to discuss and watch. What you were so happy about, what you were talking about. And you have to go through it. And you have no choice. The thing is that with your comments you touched too many soldiers, alive and dead. Consider me the collective image of millions of soldiers killed in wars. We decided that it would be nice to make you a hero of what you like to discuss so much.

    - But I…
    - Do not worry. Just go and fight. You loved to argue that the military has a choice. Here is the choice. Either you fight and hope for the best, or you can shoot yourself right away. By the way. Look at you! Snaryaga - as you love. Everything that you considered necessary. Your unit is around the corner. Good luck

    And the man in the gray suit was gone.
    Vasya picked up the machine and wandered around the corner. “Bullshit. Now I’ll come and tell you that I’m here by chance. They will send me home. Fuck do I need to substitute my skin here? There are military for this! But it’s not bad for me in my office! ”
    He calmly went out and saw people in uniform sitting by the fire. And then something exploded nearby. The manager fell on his belly and tried to crawl away. The shells lay nearby, lifting the debris of concrete slabs into the air. Something wet and hot fell on his face. Vasya began to crawl away. At least somewhere, he was deaf from the roar and blinded by dust. A couple of times it hurt him with pieces of concrete. He screamed in fear. He did not realize what he was doing. When the artillery bomb ended, he saw that he was left alone.
    “Fuck! We have to get out! ”Thought the manager-expert on combat operations. - “Go? Where?"

    Vasya made his way through the ruins of the ruined city, hoping that they would not shoot him. After all, all people are brothers? Why would they shoot a man? An hour later he was laid face down on the ground, stepped on his back, putting the barrel of the machine gun to the back of his head, and politely asked who he was and where he was so handsome from. He honestly tried to answer that, they say, here he is by chance and in general he is now at work in his city. Sits in a cafe. And the bastard neighbor poured drugs into his coffee. The soldiers looked at him and laughed.

    - Oh yeah. What exactly did you use, fighter? - asked the military, lifting him by the scruff of his feet to look at the pupils. Vasya did not have time to answer - the bullet knocked down the head of the man holding the manager by the scruff of the neck. The enemy machine gun began to hit a group of soldiers. The karachik manager was trying to crawl out. He wanted to go to the enemy. Tell that he is here by chance. And that you don’t have to shoot him.

    Vasya tried to tell such stories for two whole days. But they did not listen to him, it was not up to him. The enemy went on the offensive. A number of units were completely knocked out. Few people paid attention to the holy fool. And Vasya was trying to get out. But wherever he tried to go, there was hell everywhere. Hell and corpses. Vasya opened his eyes. The head was very noisy, there were circles in front of my eyes. Blood clotted on his face. Nearby stood a man in a gray suit.
    Vasya opened his mouth and wheezed softly:

    - Let go ... I understand ... I do not want. I will erase all accounts ... I will apologize ...
    The man smiled.

    - Got it? What do you understand? What 18 summer boys who were called up for service, there is no chance to blame? I realized that the officers have no chance to leave these very boys? Understood that war is evil? Got to follow the speech? Got it, that you are not an "expert"? Got what war is? That war is not a beautiful picture that you can watch in front of the monitor and humor about the corpses. The war is the alcohol-gangrenous stench of sanbats, blood-stained bandages trampled into the mud of a trench in half with sleeves, bandages that did not come in handy for that funny red-haired guy from yesterday’s replenishment - he simply died from a jagged splinter in his stomach. I realized that war is the smell of a corpse decomposing in the sunshine with a dark green putrefactive venous network and eyes pecked by birds, lying at the sole of a shot high-rise, a corpse that no one cares about. And you won’t care when you yourself become such a corpse. Or maybe not lucky, and you will return, without an arm or leg. At first you will be greeted as a hero, but then officials, and people too, will remember you less and less. Nobody needs you except your former colleagues. You’ll worry and try to get the benefits set for you, but in response you will hear the phrase “I didn’t send you there” in the offices of officials. And middle managers will pass by you, looking with disgust, as if you were a failure. A loser who could not or did not want to first pull away from the army, and then did not resist the order and allowed himself to be taken to the war! They are not like that! And they will be sitting in their offices and watching videos from the next war, receiving their portion of adrenaline, and sarcastically comment on burning corpses hanging from the armor. And you ... all that remains for you is the old pea coat, the feeling that you were abandoned and life was broken. You will be reluctant to take you to work, because who needs a man crippled by war, who can have a nervous breakdown at any moment. You want to say that you understood it in just a couple of days?

    “Yes,” the manager croaked. - Let go ... I will not ...
    “I'll let you go.” And for one reason only! Do you know what? I am composed of the souls of warriors who fell in battle, and it will be disgusting to me that such a pathetic little soul will complement me. Go, I'm letting you go.
    1. domokl
      domokl 7 December 2016 02: 40
      +1
      I wanted to write beautifully ... No, it does not fit ... Mentally. And to the point. I read how I looked into the soul of this creature .. Thank you.
    2. veteran66
      veteran66 9 December 2016 14: 40
      0
      Quote: Dekabrist
      and I will be disgusted that such a pathetic little soul will complement me. Go, I'm letting you go.

      this story needs to be printed after each review of the database before comments.
  15. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 6 December 2016 23: 42
    +2
    With the 1969-1972 "war of attrition" Israel began a long "study" of missile air defense.
    In the Doomsday War of 1973, the losses from him were great. But during the war a large number of installations, missiles, and radars were captured. This came in handy for developing tactics to combat Syrian air defense in 1982 and beyond.
    Therefore, the Russians are too optimistic in assessing the capabilities of missile defense systems. There are a lot of master keys. Without intensive opposition by fighters of attacking aircraft, missile defense is cracked easier than it seems.
    1. Dekabrist
      Dekabrist 6 December 2016 23: 55
      +4
      Especially if the calculations are Arabs. Five prayers a day, when there to look at the radar.
    2. hohol95
      hohol95 7 December 2016 09: 36
      0
      And the bombing of 2 Egyptian torpedo boats with the death of divers on September 8, 1967, was there or not?
      1. Dekabrist
        Dekabrist 7 December 2016 10: 10
        +1
        "On September 8, Israeli combat swimmers blew up two Egyptian torpedo boats, however, several swimmers were killed (the boats were not really worth it)." What's the sensation? Arab sailors also pray five times a day in the same way.
        1. hohol95
          hohol95 7 December 2016 10: 22
          0
          Have there been losses! Suddenly the swimmers are simply "eaten" and this is not a combat loss!
          1. Dekabrist
            Dekabrist 7 December 2016 10: 29
            +1
            Strange, I like I wrote the previous comment in Russian. Or should it be written: "Killed by the well-aimed shots of the valiant Egyptian askers?"
            1. hohol95
              hohol95 7 December 2016 10: 39
              0
              And I didn’t ask you! The Israeli opponent!
              1. Dekabrist
                Dekabrist 7 December 2016 11: 13
                0
                Does he deny?
                1. hohol95
                  hohol95 7 December 2016 15: 59
                  0
                  While silent! Maybe he knows the details!
                  1. Dekabrist
                    Dekabrist 7 December 2016 17: 15
                    +1
                    Clear. You have your own war of attrition.
  16. Kaiten
    Kaiten 6 December 2016 23: 54
    +1

    Quote: mordvin xnumx
    Quote: Kaiten
    "Jewish" muzzles left

    No, they are all over the place. crying:

    As soon as the robbery calms down,
    flares up sharper immediately
    the eternal dispute between the Slavs among themselves -
    where among them and who is Jewish
    Igor Guberman

    Quote: mordvin xnumx
    Quote: Kaiten
    Mordvinians will have to be "Jews".

    Where are we, Siri, but wretched. belay


    Late ... We will cut quietly, but carefully

    1. hohol95
      hohol95 7 December 2016 09: 37
      0
      Personally for you!
    2. andj61
      andj61 7 December 2016 10: 31
      +1
      Quote: Kaiten
      As soon as the robbery calms down,
      flares up sharper immediately
      the eternal dispute between the Slavs among themselves -
      where among them and who is Jewish
      Igor Guberman
      Quote: mordvin xnumx
      Quote: Kaiten
      Mordvinians will have to be "Jews".
      Where are we, Siri, but wretched.
      Late ... We will cut quietly, but carefully



      The Lord’s sowing is the same everywhere,
      and they lie to us about the difference of nations;
      all people are Jews, and just not all
      found while the courage to confess.

      The Jewish eye lies on everything
      all have Jewish tricks
      And pouring down from heaven on us
      six-pointed snowflakes.
      I.Guberman
  17. Zuborez
    Zuborez 7 December 2016 17: 17
    0
    The author is a Jew?
  18. Jääkorppi
    Jääkorppi 22 December 2016 09: 54
    0
    We must remember and be proud! However, the Jews, after all, "a quarter of our former people" command respect. The country that first built socialism in the Middle East. Objectively, the USSR had little in common with the national bourgeoisie of the Arab states. Millions of inept money thrown into Egypt. Fascist Ideology and Harboring Nazi Criminals Gamal Abdel Nasser. The USSR's Middle East policy requires an objective assessment.
    1. Ilja2016
      Ilja2016 23 March 2017 22: 26
      0
      "The country that first built socialism in the Middle East."
      What? !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Is everything okay with your head?
  19. Ilja2016
    Ilja2016 23 March 2017 22: 28
    0
    Quote: JääKorppi
    Millions of stupidly swollen money in Egypt.

    Maybe you become the Minister of Economics. Specialist found
  20. volodin 51
    volodin 51 April 16 2017 18: 48
    0
    I didn’t come here as a tourist to look at the palm trees, at the pyramids. We want the palm trees to straighten the sheet and people to straighten their back! We sang this song in Egypt. We are boys 19-20 years old. We have nothing to regret. Who was not there and not it’s necessary to argue. Almost everyone has returned home. Thanks to the commanders. Over the years, you understand. There were Front-line soldiers, not for you to judge.
  21. DPN
    DPN 13 May 2017 11: 53
    0
    Israel has a good principle, got it in the face, GIVE UP, we can only do this at street level, and no more.
  22. den-protector
    den-protector 24 July 2017 16: 20
    0
    Israel is guided by the right principle, the principle of a compulsory and prompt response, without inaudible muttering about a violation of international law. Power is always respected, and words are perceived adequately only as a complement to the force option or the real threat of the use of force. Russia has a problem with this.