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Donbass account

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Vladimir Putin at the Valdai Club made one important statement, which somehow lost sight of our expert community: "Russia and Ukraine managed to dissolve, and then bleed." And Donbass, the entire South-East of Ukraine, was drenched in blood. But we will overcome it, the president added.


Donbass account


Behind the brackets are more important questions: who did it and how they will answer for it. We know, of course, the specific defendants of this case: Victoria Nuland with cookies, on which neo-fascist Bandera politicians and militants were nursed. And what is behind them? The foreign policy of neocon Washington.

Here we need to recall, of course, Zbigniew Brzezinski with his completely cannibalistic scenarios of turning Ukraine into a “new Afghanistan” in the center of Europe in order to weaken both Russia and Europe. He's the author and the Afghan script. However, this strategist always speaks ambiguously, and is hidden behind the backstage scenes of Washington. In the end, formally, Brzezinski is just some kind of adviser at a very old age, which Washington has a lot of - in this way, some of our experts leave the question of Brzezinski’s role in Washington’s strategy.

However, today there are statements by Washington officials, that they can be hemmed into the case of the responsibility of the United States, their European vassals, for the blood of Odessa, Mariupol, Donbass, and in general this Bandera nightmare.

Recently, the outgoing US Secretary of Defense Ashton Carter called on Ukraine to prepare for the worst: "The Union of the President-elect Donald Trump with the Russian authoritarian president." However, the most important thing he said further: “Farewell, promoting democracy in the world!” This is the moment of truth!

All that American diplomats did in Ukraine, including if necessary the resources of Ashton Carter and the militants of the Right Sector (banned in the Russian Federation), is the “promotion of democracy”, that is, the establishment of a colonial “democratic” regime in Ukraine. In other words, this is a banal expansion, covered with a fig leaf of democratic demagogy from the Nobel laureate Barack Obama, on the borders of Russia.

“Promoting democracy” is like Obama’s politically correct message, but Ashton Carter reveals its content to us and talks about himself as an instrument for promoting it, moreover, this instrument itself testifies about its role in fueling conflicts in the Middle East and Ukraine.

It can be assumed that the human factor that led to the supposedly erroneous attack on the Syrian troops in Dair al-Zor is also Ashton Carter, he seems always ready to make a mistake, for the sake of "promoting democracy."

James Klapper, the outgoing head of the national intelligence of the United States, also opened up his mind - for some reason, all the ex-heads begin to speak the truth! - that the “Ukrainian crisis” has no prospects for resolution, because Moscow is not going to leave the Donbass ”. This is how Obama Washington understands the implementation of the Minsk agreements!

On the other hand, these testimonies of officials of the power structures of the West say that Washington, and the West as a whole, are a party to the conflict in Ukraine, and then the OSCE in the Donbass is just their intelligence officer. While the West is considering the implementation of Minsk in this way, there are really no prospects for a peaceful resolution of the conflict. The situation is stalemate.

Even worse, along with Klepper, we see Nazi-Bandera Dmitro Yarosh, he also repeated the Klepper's idea the other day: “Minsk can’t be executed,” after he received the order from Poroshenko. And predicted the imminent resumption of even more serious hostilities in the South-East than before. That is, perhaps, not only in the Donbas?

Thus, evidence is obtained of how Ukraine was turned into Bandera. This is a direct consequence of the use by Washington of the doctrine of "promoting democracy" to the borders of Russia. Washington has always promoted it with the help of moderate bandits, starting in Afghanistan, Yugoslavia, and then in Libya, Syria. In Ukraine, he used Bandera, Nazi Democrats.

According to V. Nuland, the American “democracy” invested 5 billion dollars in “Ukrainian democracy”, that is, in the moderate Bandera opposition, and in Syria it just supplied weapon moderate Islamists.

By the way, this is an old American scheme, run-in in Latin America, where Washington repeatedly brought its “bitch sons” to power, called them “young democracy” and forgave everything, and then it turned out that it was a Pinochet neo-fascist junta, with democratic “squadrons” of death". He turned Ukraine into Latin America, only with the Nazi battalions ...

Aaron Banks, a British businessman and Brexit supporter, said after a meeting with Trump: "Trump and Putin will work together, because Trump intends to fight against radical Islamists."

Thus, Banks confirms that Obama and Ashton Carter did not fight radical terrorists, on the contrary, they helped them "promote democracy"! If Trump really fights with the terrorists, and hopes to rely on Russia for this, he will have to recognize the responsibility of Obama and Neocon's Washington for the Bandera coup in Kiev, and its grave consequences for Donbas and all of South-East Ukraine.

In other words, Moscow can present a Donbass bill to Trump for bringing the US State Department to power in Bandera in Ukraine, and make his payment a condition for cooperation. Obama to present this account was meaningless, but Trump is necessary. It seems that Trump understands this, in any case, he has repeatedly stated that he will reconsider the Crimean issue, and the Crimea will inevitably pull along both Bandera, and Nuland with cookies ...
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  1. svp67
    svp67 5 December 2016 18: 14
    +3
    And the Ukrainian Armed Forces near Donetsk again started a "war" ... I wonder if they opened fire on targets discovered by an American drone?
    1. St Petrov
      St Petrov 5 December 2016 18: 37
      +5
      they opened fire on the citizens of their state. the rest (who pointed out which caliber, for what purpose) is not important.

      I am surprised at the tolerance of Ukrainians. But apparently everything suits for the third year already.

      38 000 000 A man cannot be intimidated by youngsters from PS.

      1. svp67
        svp67 5 December 2016 18: 38
        +7
        Quote: s-t Petrov
        they opened fire on the citizens of their state. nothing else matters

        You don’t have relatives there, it may not matter, but I have it, so it’s important.
        1. St Petrov
          St Petrov 5 December 2016 18: 41
          0
          You're right. I'm sorry. Not in your place.

      2. WKS
        WKS 5 December 2016 18: 41
        +1
        It was pointless for Obama to present this bill, but Trump needed it.

        Does Trump actually know that there is such a country - Ukraine?
        1. svp67
          svp67 5 December 2016 18: 42
          +2
          Quote: wks
          Does Trump actually know that there is such a country - Ukraine?

          I’m not sure that he will definitely show it on the map, but he was notified of its existence next to Russia ...
          1. OLD FART
            OLD FART 5 December 2016 18: 55
            +2
            “Farewell to the advancement of democracy in the world!”

            By the way, Putin also hinted that the world has changed and ceased to be "unipolar" ...
            It's time for everyone to blame Ukraine, including Saakashvili - Georgian journalist
            http://rp-lnr.ru/mneniya/12934-vsem-pora-svalivat
            -su ..

            Then it will be very interesting men ... The war of nerves (information, terrible since the days of the USSR) We won, it's time to attack ..
      3. Baloo
        Baloo 5 December 2016 19: 08
        +2
        Not 38, as of January 1, 36 Ukrainians without ATO, Donbass and Crimea.
  2. N100
    N100 5 December 2016 18: 34
    0
    Outside the brackets were more important questions: who did this and how they will answer for it ....
  3. Skeptic Self-Taught
    Skeptic Self-Taught 5 December 2016 18: 41
    +3
    Well, what's the point?
    Piglets will be removed by sniper or maidan - to the point ???
    All the same, the organizers, the true organizers, cannot be put in the dock ...
  4. tol100v
    tol100v 5 December 2016 18: 42
    +3
    It is too early to "wang" about Trump's future actions. Let's wait for January. But one can not count on big changes, since the tycoons from the military-industrial complex simply will not allow him to radically change his foreign policy course. A problem with one unknown.
    1. CONTROL
      CONTROL 6 December 2016 09: 45
      +1
      Quote: Tol100v
      It is too early to "wang" about Trump's future actions. Let's wait for January. But one can not count on big changes, since the tycoons from the military-industrial complex simply will not allow him to radically change his foreign policy course. A problem with one unknown.

      Trump has been appointed to preside by that part of the US business elite that requires the restoration and strengthening of the middle business class! In it - in the US business elite - the split into those serving the interests of peace and the interests of war (regardless of whether they are "Republicans" or "Democrats") has been taking place for several decades.
      So - the forces are approximately equal! But - the war party is still in power ... and it will not be easy to "push" it out of there ... Let us sympathize with Trump ... "Along the way" - when carrying out the planned reforms - he may refuse them! the task may be beyond your powers!
  5. Cat
    Cat 5 December 2016 18: 44
    +7
    What is happening in the southeast of Uraina is scary! It is terrible because people continue to die there. People who could live and give life to others. And they must answer for this. Reply for everything!
  6. SPACE
    SPACE 5 December 2016 18: 50
    +1
    In other words, Moscow may present a Donbass bill to Trump

    Patience, revenge is a cold dish. And it cannot and will not be engaged in this meaningless affair, at least not now. But bills are accumulating and sooner or later they will have to pay them in full for Donbas, Chechnya, Abkhazia ... the list is large and Alaska alone they are not finished and they know this very well, even if they stumble ...
  7. 1536
    1536 5 December 2016 19: 05
    +5
    In short, the Americans need one Moscow region with Moscow to remain from Russia, and everything else would become a protectorate with individuals from Western Ukraine and Poland. In Moscow, the American ambassador idolische ruled, and the people would die out. Unenviable scenario.
  8. Ulan
    Ulan 5 December 2016 19: 10
    +4
    I don’t believe that Donbass, after all that the junta has done with it, will return to Ukraine. Trump, in my opinion, will pay less attention to Ukraine. There is nothing from Navar, for the US finance this is an extra burden and as an anti-Russian entity, Trump is unlikely to need it, of course, according to his statements about the desire to establish relations with Russia.
    Perhaps the United States will try to replace Poroshenko with a less aggressive-Russophobic-minded president. Perhaps the publication of compromising evidence on Poroshenko is the first step in this direction.
    Poroshenko remove and not only physically, the United States has the opportunity
  9. Volzhanin
    Volzhanin 5 December 2016 19: 41
    0
    Perhaps our authorities will change the rhetoric from guilty, apologizing to constructively presenting. And for outrage on our outskirts, every westerner must answer with blood, health and money!
    Western geeks will soon die in batches and the geyropa and geymerika will burn in the fire!
  10. Karabin
    Karabin 5 December 2016 19: 54
    +11
    made one important statement that somehow overlooks our expert community:

    But Mr. Kamenev did not miss.
    "Russia and Ukraine were able to separate, and then to bleed." And they drenched blood in the Donbass, the entire South-East of Ukraine. But we will overcome this, the president added.

    Of course we will overcome. There is no alternative to Minsk. The price issue has not yet been settled.
    We know, of course, the specific defendants in this case: Victoria Nuland with cookies, which were fed neo-fascist Bandera politicians and militants.
    And how much money did the Russian Federation invest in Yanukovosch and how many of them did this vegetable spend to support Bandera? How much money does Sberbank give for the ATO, buying to this day ukrozaym?
    According to V. Nuland, the American "democracy" has invested $ 5 billion in "Ukrainian democracy",
    cheap and cheerful. According to Putin’s testimony, the Russian Federation invested up to 200 billion in Ukraine. And what is the result?
    In other words, Moscow can present a Donbass bill to Trump for bringing the US State Department to power in Ukraine, Bandera, and make its payment a condition of cooperation.
    Bullshit.
    Trump understands this, in any case, he has repeatedly stated that he will reconsider the Crimean issue, and the Crimea will inevitably pull along with Bandera in Kiev,
    All hope for old Donald laughing
    Russians in Ukraine are abandoned by the Kremlin. Russians can be planted, burned, ironed by artillery, considered genetic garbage - with impunity. Russians in Ukraine can be betrayed, as Putin and Co. did. The author is trying to wash the black male to white. It turns out clumsily. Learn Victor from professionals from federal channels. And the betrayer once betray again. Get ready for the Kuril epic.
    1. Comrade Glebov
      Comrade Glebov 5 December 2016 21: 14
      +4
      Aw, you write nasty things, ay, WRONGS WRITTEN. Nizya Putin scold, he is our own mother. But you can’t argue with you, my friend. Although you are a cynic, a + for the analysis is unambiguous.
  11. Zloy
    Zloy 5 December 2016 20: 24
    +5
    You can't really count on Trump. On the whole, of course, one can expect that there will be no such frostbitten "democracy" as it could under Hillary, however, an aggravation of the situation should be expected in Ukraine in the near future. The conflict can only be resolved by military means. Here, as grandfather Lenin said, either one or the other will win.
  12. Sabtr
    Sabtr 5 December 2016 20: 51
    +1
    Something we sat down, brothers, is it not time for us to clear up ... Happy New Year to the ARMED FORCES OF UKRAINE !!! DONETSK IS UKRAINE Greetings from Donetsk (Ukraine) Kuybyshevsky District (Smolyanka) And you gentlemen, the officers came and looked like in DNRASTI -TII people live and not only believed ROSSMI and all sorts of rumors In DENERASTI, only those who are in the militias live well (FIFTH COLUMN)
    1. Ulan
      Ulan 5 December 2016 20: 55
      +1
      No, of course we will only "believe" WaltzmanSMI, and you will broadcast them to us here.
    2. Comrade Glebov
      Comrade Glebov 5 December 2016 22: 16
      +4
      Quote: SabtR
      DONETSK IS UKRAINE

      Under one condition, that UKRAINE IS A PART OF THE USSR!
    3. Squelcher
      Squelcher 6 December 2016 02: 13
      +1
      The provocation is not counted, not your brother to me ..... licking black.
    4. Squelcher
      Squelcher 6 December 2016 03: 52
      0
      Not a brother, you are me licking ..... black.
    5. BLOND
      BLOND 6 December 2016 06: 23
      +2
      Quote: SabtR
      Something we sat down, brothers, is it not time for us to clear up ... Happy New Year to the ARMED FORCES OF UKRAINE !!! DONETSK IS UKRAINE Greetings from Donetsk (Ukraine) Kuybyshevsky District (Smolyanka) And you gentlemen, the officers came and looked like in DNRASTI -TII people live and not only believed ROSSMI and all sorts of rumors In DENERASTI, only those who are in the militias live well (FIFTH COLUMN)

      the fascists would not come on tanks and everyone would live normally!
      Not a 3,14 gift ... God, he is not Timoshka - he sees a little.
    6. Baloo
      Baloo 6 December 2016 08: 53
      +1
      Download further and further banderlog, as far as possible from Donbass
    7. pts-m
      pts-m 6 December 2016 13: 15
      +1
      sabtr that forgot to wear shoulder straps ruin, Celebrate your holiday, but look as if across the throat did not get up.
  13. Comrade Glebov
    Comrade Glebov 5 December 2016 21: 08
    +5
    Everything that American diplomats did in Ukraine
    one must not forget as well as all that which was not done, although Russian diplomats should have done. Both those and others should answer in full.
    Ashton Carter urged Ukraine to prepare for the worst
    26 years ago it was necessary to warn.
    In other words, Moscow may present a Donbass bill to Trump
    There is no facespalm icon ... You might think Trump will steer something there. No account will be presented to anyone there. Unless our officials are unlikely to rest in Courchevel. The question is, how now to live with all this? Ukraine must be returned. Anyway. Ordinary people, ordinary Ukrainians are ours, as it were, the first channel and some particularly patriotic patriots didn’t come out on the GVO.
  14. esaul1950
    esaul1950 5 December 2016 21: 50
    +3
    We will wait and see, but something tells us, we will see a lot of "bad" things from them.
  15. esaul1950
    esaul1950 5 December 2016 21: 52
    +5
    Quote: SabtR
    Something we sat down, brothers, is it not time for us to clear up ... Happy New Year to the ARMED FORCES OF UKRAINE !!! DONETSK IS UKRAINE Greetings from Donetsk (Ukraine) Kuybyshevsky District (Smolyanka) And you gentlemen, the officers came and looked like in DNRASTI -TII people live and not only believed ROSSMI and all sorts of rumors In DENERASTI, only those who are in the militias live well (FIFTH COLUMN)

    And you did not get lost by chance?
  16. samarin1969
    samarin1969 5 December 2016 22: 43
    +2
    "In other words, Moscow can present a Donbas bill (!?) To Trump (!?) For bringing Bandera to power in Ukraine by the US State Department, and make his payment a condition of cooperation."
    Who is against? It just sounds too "uraoptimistic".
  17. Dekabrist
    Dekabrist 5 December 2016 22: 52
    +5
    Dear sirs, I absolutely do not want to breed srach following the example of well-known Internet resources, however, reading articles and comments on Ukraine, you observe some one-sidedness.
    The insidious mattress for a barrel of jam and a packet of cookies easily bought bad guys - Ukrainians, turning Ukraine out of the blue into European Afghanistan.
    But if some territory (not bad hamsters) is in the sphere of interests of some country, where is the opposition to insidious mattresses.
    23 of the year Ukraine, in terms of international politics, dangled like ... a flower in an ice hole, really it was not clear that this would not be endless.
    And the mattress stubbornly panted. She trained in Yugoslavia, which is not necessary to shoot, she smoldered for centuries, in Georgia. In Ukraine, the soil was fertilized. A lot of soil and do not. Skakunov on the Maidan was horseradish and nichrome. And nothing was decided there. These were the scenery for hamsters. Other people decided in another place.
    And then there is our ex-presenter, who is carefully kept for some reason at Rublevka, instead of sending the sheep to Mongolia to inseminate, having got offended, he even threw a loaf and run away.
    And in such cases, a change of leader is the key to success. To understand how the change of leader affects the country, look back a little, remember: "The country is one step away from the abyss and, thanks to the president, we will take this step."
    And now the process has entered such a jungle that it is not even clear how it will move on. In any case, analyzes of sofa analysts have nothing to do with reality, as well as media information on both sides.
    1. Uncle Murzik
      Uncle Murzik 6 December 2016 08: 06
      +1
      Dekabrist and such realities Ukraine galloped 7-8mln of the population, 10-12% of the territories that will not return when they are not! belay a change of leader is the key to success! laughing
      1. Dekabrist
        Dekabrist 6 December 2016 08: 26
        +1
        I know our realities. The topic was different.
      2. pts-m
        pts-m 6 December 2016 13: 20
        0
        Yes, at least a dozen leaders will change, just like in a fable ... no matter how you feed a jackal, he looks at everything in the EU ... History confirms this.
        1. Dekabrist
          Dekabrist 6 December 2016 15: 35
          +2
          It wasn’t written for hamsters.
    2. sunzhenets
      sunzhenets 7 December 2016 15: 06
      0
      Dekabrist, I agree with you.
      And the mattress stubbornly panted. She trained in Yugoslavia, which is not necessary to shoot, she smoldered for centuries, in Georgia.

      And ours stubbornly did not do anything, no matter what.
      When banderlogs overthrew the legally elected president of Ukraine (which is in the sphere of interests of the Russian Federation), our president and the prime minister watched the Olympics in Sochi.
      Where they store Yanukovych - I don’t know, but why didn’t they use the lawfully elected president of Ukraine in political games? Where is his loud statement about the illegal coup? (He does not pull, well, let him name the successor). Why was Parashenko recognized as the lawfully elected president? Why couldn’t Yanukovych allow the recruitment of volunteers through the Russian military registration and enlistment offices to repel the coup’s aggression in the Donetsk and Lugansk regions?
  18. Lelek
    Lelek 6 December 2016 00: 51
    +1
    (It seems that Trump understands this, in any case, he has repeatedly stated that he will reconsider the Crimean issue, and the Crimea will inevitably pull both Bandera in Kiev and Nuland with cookies ...)

    But this is unlikely. The Washington Regional Committee and the Bilderberg Club will not allow it. In an extreme case, the fate of Kennedy. And Trump already now, shaking the air, understands this perfectly and surrounds himself with "hawks" in order to shrug his hands and say: "I wanted to do as I promised, but it did not work out, the advisers also beat our American" democracy. " I'm good". This is a personal opinion, but time will tell. yes