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Erdogan offered Moscow to make payments in national currencies

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Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan offered Vladimir Putin to switch to national currencies in settlements, reports RIA News.


Erdogan offered Moscow to make payments in national currencies


“I offered (to Russian President Vladimir) Putin the following: let's convert our trade to local currencies. For everything that I buy from you, I will pay in rubles, and for everything that you buy from me, you will pay in Turkish lira ",
Erdogan said at the opening of a shopping center in Istanbul.

According to the president, he made the same proposal to Beijing and Tehran, and there they agreed. “We have given the appropriate instructions to our central banks, we will try to transfer (foreign trade) relations to this path,” said Erdogan.

He again called on Turkish citizens to exchange their currency savings for Turkish liras or for gold, since the currency is a lever of pressure.

“Why should we turn our savings into a means of pressure? Those who hold foreign currency under the mattress must convert it into liras or gold. Let's support national values. This will be the answer to those who are trying to put pressure on Turkey. Do not worry, you will not suffer losses, ”Erdogan said.

The agency notes that over the last month, the Turkish lira has fallen against the dollar by 11% (on Friday, the exchange rate was 3,54 lira to the dollar).
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  1. Holoy
    Holoy 4 December 2016 08: 38
    +23
    In principle, he is right ...
    1. Thrall
      Thrall 4 December 2016 08: 41
      +6
      let's translate our trade into local currencies. For everything that I buy from you, I will pay in rubles, and for everything that you buy from me, you will pay in Turkish lira

      With the falling Turkish lira, it is also beneficial to Russia. Yes, and Turkish exporters.
      1. novobranets
        novobranets 4 December 2016 08: 47
        +22
        Quote: Thrall
        With the falling Turkish lira, it is also beneficial to Russia.

        Prices in lira will still depend on the dollar. The same is in rubles. Green candy wrappers is not as easy to eradicate as it seems, but this treaty is one of the steps towards this.
      2. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 4 December 2016 12: 20
        +5
        "With the falling Turkish lira, it is also beneficial for Russia" ///

        What is profitable? Got lira, held it in a bank, and they fell ...
        1. Fitter65
          Fitter65 4 December 2016 14: 27
          +6
          Quote: voyaka uh
          "With the falling Turkish lira, it is also beneficial for Russia" ///

          What is profitable? Got lira, held it in a bank, and they fell ...

          Well, yes then, but again, remember Moses drove Jews through the desert for 40 years, though every day clarifying, Well, no one found my 6 shekels. And in those days, you must admit, it was a lot of money ... laughing Therefore, for calculating the national currency, there is a slightly different mechanism for assessing the ratio of currencies than on the MICEX ...
        2. avt
          avt 4 December 2016 15: 31
          +4
          Quote: voyaka uh
          What is profitable? Got lira, held it in a bank, and they fell ...

          laughing Azochen Wei! This is really a misfortune and a loss of a gesheft among bankers. Well, if you keep money on a deposit and milk interest on this holding and convert it in three currencies at the bank. But still, if you listen to the classics of the genre from Mordechai Levy in girlhood, well, the German philosopher Karl Marx, and still twist the dynamics of the real goods, hand-groomed according to his formula, well, the goods are money-goods and so on. That real merchants of real goods get a faster and more delicious gesheft.
    2. stas132
      stas132 4 December 2016 08: 41
      +3
      It is interesting now to wait for our answer.
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 4 December 2016 11: 09
        +15
        Quote: stas132
        It is interesting now to wait for our answer.

        So we previously proposed this in mutual settlements in the BRICS.
        Quote: novobranets
        Prices in lira will still depend on the dollar. The same is in rubles.
        Exactly. If you have been abroad, you could not help but notice that the price tags on the goods are indicated in several currencies (euro, $, lira, zloty ...). All of them are balanced in terms of dollar-euro quotes in relation to them. But, if you pay in the national currency (lira), then you do not deduct 4,0% of the transaction amount to the states as a "fee" for the fact that you "used" when calculating their currency. No commission is charged in their favor.
        Of course, it is best to carry out calculations in "gold". Then you are not tied to this partner and you can direct the "proceeds" to another market. Buy, for example, not tomatoes, but chips (not chips!) For your electronics industry.
        With mutual settlements in national currency, the area of ​​"green papers" is narrowed. And this is one of the ways to reduce the influence of the country of the "currency issuer" on the governments of the countries of the zone free from total dollar dependence.
    3. OLD FART
      OLD FART 4 December 2016 08: 42
      +17
      You need to knock down the dollar, not right away, of course, but this is the only way to break the back of the "world speculators and usurers" ..
      1. Maki Avellevich
        Maki Avellevich 5 December 2016 07: 56
        0
        Quote: STARPER
        You need to knock down the dollar, not right away, of course, but this is the only way to break the back of the "world speculators and usurers" ..


        perhaps. but at the same time just change the color of candy wrappers and money lenders.
        as the classic said - there is nothing new under the sun
    4. vovanpain
      vovanpain 4 December 2016 08: 48
      +11
      Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan invited Vladimir Putin to switch to national currencies in mutual settlements,

      Wait for an answer, wait for an answer. Wait .....
    5. ohtandur
      ohtandur 4 December 2016 09: 43
      +2
      Quote: Holoy
      In principle, he is right ...

      And if we ignore the hatred of the US and the dollar? ... The idea is not clear to me. The Turks want to buy equipment for lard rubles. They go to the bank (figuratively) and exchange their lira for rubles (for we exclude the evil dollar). And they buy equipment. They are happy. what does Russia have? A lot of lire and no equipment, you have to compensate for the purchase of something in the country. For the workers are fucked up by their salary in lire. And then a minus appears. By the previous operation, the Turks bind Russia by the fact that it must buy something from them for the same amount. Import is equal to export. That is, it already harms the import substitution of which all uryaks dream. But okay, let's buy, not only in Turkey! Besides, China with lira is not suitable. Lira must be exchanged. This is a loss of funds. There was one loss in the dollyars and then another from the side. If from the point of view of "out of spite we freeze our ears" so that the United States does not get rich, then yes. And if for the interests of Russia, what is the benefit, explain the smartest? or am I foolish?
      1. novobranets
        novobranets 4 December 2016 10: 14
        +5
        Quote: ohtandur
        In addition, China cannot be approached with lyres.

        Why is this suddenly? Or do you exclude China as a buyer of Turkish goods? China, for settlement with Turkey, will also need lira. So, inside the Turkey-Russia-Iran-China treaty, Russia may well pay off with China liras, and Turkey with Russia will be renminbi. Depending on the country's needs in a particular currency.
      2. Tartar
        Tartar 4 December 2016 14: 35
        0
        Quote: ohtandur
        And if we ignore the hatred of the United States and the dollar? .... And then a minus looms ...

        This will depend on the trade balance between Russia and Turkey.
      3. Yeraz
        Yeraz 4 December 2016 16: 02
        +2
        Quote: ohtandur
        And if for the interests of Russia, then what are the benefits of explaining the smartest? or am I do.rak?

        You don’t. What Erdogan offers means one thing, Turkey buys something from the Russian Federation, and Russia from Turkey. Because you can’t buy anything for rubles and lira. The whole world is made in dollars and euros. There is only 1 plus. Because rubles and lira there is nowhere else to put it, the purchase will be constant and stable)))
        1. Kugo
          Kugo 4 December 2016 16: 18
          0
          that's right )))
      4. 1rl141
        1rl141 4 December 2016 20: 10
        0
        Quote: ohtandur
        They are happy. what does Russia have? A lot of lire and no technology, it is necessary to compensate for the purchase of something in the country. For the workers are safeguarded against pay in salaries in lira.

        And workers, for example, buy the same liras from the state for rubles and go to spend them in Turkey.
      5. Holoy
        Holoy 5 December 2016 11: 34
        0
        ... why do you think so? We have only fruits and vegetables covering all of Russia from Turkey to a fig! Russia also stably purchases from Turkey Furniture, Electronics, Leather, Pharmacy, Fur products, Clothes .. So let buyers pay with liras. For gas transit we pay again with liras ... And how many tourists do they travel? Only the flow will go on increasing ... Investments in Turkey again Lira needed ...
    6. The black
      The black 4 December 2016 10: 35
      +4
      Quote: Holoy
      In principle, he is right ...

      He gives out for his proposal what was previously offered by the GDP.
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 4 December 2016 10: 45
        +4
        Quote: Black
        He gives out for his proposal what was previously offered by the GDP.
        You're right. But now no one can say that this is the hand of Moscow and Putin is to blame for everything! yes
        1. novobranets
          novobranets 4 December 2016 12: 24
          +2
          Black He gives out for his proposal what was previously offered by the GDP
          KAA boa But now no one can say that this is the hand of Moscow and Putin is to blame for everything!
          It’s generally an art to imperceptibly bring an interlocutor to the right thought, and push him in the right direction, so that he would think that the decision he made was his own. winked
    7. GSH-18
      GSH-18 5 December 2016 01: 45
      +1
      Erdogan offered Moscow to make payments in national currencies

      Sensible business proposal yes
    8. Vend
      Vend 5 December 2016 12: 00
      0
      Quote: Holoy
      In principle, he is right ...

      It is right, but what he said earlier about Syria is now begging for his language. wink
  2. alekc73
    alekc73 4 December 2016 08: 40
    +8
    The offer is excellent. But ..... This is a blow to the dollar and Uncle Sam. Many people in our country will be against it, since they serve not Russia, but foreign corporations. If they raise a war, this is not market, it contradicts international principles of trade and the like nonsense hi
    1. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 4 December 2016 08: 53
      0
      Quote: alekc73
      Many figures in our country will be against it, because they serve not foreign companies, but foreign corporations. If they raise a war, it’s not market, it contradicts international principles of trade, and so on.

      I myself am not an economist, so I definitely can’t know whether it is profitable or unprofitable to make such calculations. However, if this will benefit our country, then why not? However, our president is a candidate of economic sciences + loyal competent advisers. They will figure it out and if this is a worthwhile business, then we will accept the proposals of our Turkish trading partner. And is there really a force in the country stronger than the political will of our president? What kind of figures can anyone seriously fear?
      1. avt
        avt 4 December 2016 10: 17
        +1
        Quote: Thunderbolt
        I myself am not an economist, so I definitely can’t know whether it is profitable or unprofitable to make such calculations. However, if this will benefit our country, then why not?

        As a non-economist, I will not say to an economist that it is very beneficial for the transition period to be settled with a single payment instrument. But only with the relative equality of the export-import potential of the parties. Not for nothing, But Butska again jumped to the calculations in dollars. Naturally, both currencies are tied to the USA reechs ticket, since no one canceled the Fed or Brighton Woods, they only put the reserve yuan in the rank, but ideally $ is used as a certain coefficient in such calculations, without double conversion and% losses on this banking operation .
    2. Vita vko
      Vita vko 4 December 2016 09: 54
      +4
      Quote: alekc73
      Great offer

      It was after Putin’s proposal to carry out settlements in the national currencies of the BRICS countries that the information and cold war against Russia began. Therefore, this proposal is very dangerous for Erdogan. Most governments that wanted to abandon the dollar support course in international payments were overthrown.
      In conditions when public debt is several times higher than US GDP, only international trade is the only factor in securing the US currency. This is the basis of the US fraudulent system in which any growth in the state dog can be covered at the expense of other countries.
    3. Lelek
      Lelek 4 December 2016 11: 34
      +1
      Quote: alekc73
      .Many figures in our country will be against it, since they serve not Russia, but foreign corporations.


      And to hell with them. But our "egg-headed" financiers need to carefully calculate all the risks of this event. Measure seven times ....
    4. Kugo
      Kugo 4 December 2016 16: 19
      0
      Vova is the corporation itself, he and his gang have nothing to do with lira, not rubles
  3. Amurets
    Amurets 4 December 2016 08: 46
    +5
    He again called on Turkish citizens to exchange their currency savings for Turkish liras or for gold, since the currency is a lever of pressure.

    And his fate awaits Colonel Gaddafi. He also did not want to trade for green candy wrappers.
    1. novobranets
      novobranets 4 December 2016 08: 54
      +2
      Quote: Amurets
      And his fate awaits Colonel Gaddafi.

      Hi, Nikolai. hi The Turk has signed treaties with China, Iran and Russia for a reason. All these countries are not small and not frail, and pushing the Turk, the Americans, thereby putting pressure on the rest. More precisely, they will have to do so, but I think against four, the amines have a small intestine. Do not pull.
    2. avt
      avt 4 December 2016 10: 42
      +1
      Quote: Amurets
      And his fate awaits Colonel Gaddafi. He also did not want to trade for green candy wrappers.

      No. He turned even more abruptly, he was going to introduce the “golden dinar”, in fact, tie it back to gold, and this is a swing on the Federal Reserve System, as the center of the world emission of money in general.
      1. Amurets
        Amurets 4 December 2016 11: 53
        +1
        Quote: avt
        Quote: Amurets
        And his fate awaits Colonel Gaddafi. He also did not want to trade for green candy wrappers.

        No. He turned even more abruptly, he was going to introduce the “golden dinar”, in fact, tie it back to gold, and this is a swing on the Federal Reserve System, as the center of the world emission of money in general.

        Quote: novobranets
        The Turk has signed treaties with China, Iran and Russia for a reason. All these countries are not small and not frail, and pushing the Turk, the Americans, thereby putting pressure on the rest.

        Yes, I agree with you. It's just that the Yankees can make a targeted terrorist attack and some accommodating mongrel will come to the place of the Sultan. That's what I'm afraid of. How many already objectionable leaders removed?
        1. avt
          avt 4 December 2016 13: 18
          0
          Quote: Amurets
          It's just that the Yankees can make a targeted terrorist attack and some accommodating mongrel will come to the place of the Sultan.

          request So the US actually didn’t refuse their cards drawn for this region, and the situation in the region went so far that Erdogan brought the war to his territory and the partition of Turkey was not completely removed from the agenda, and Islamization with the help of the existing and losing position in Syria, and Iraq bandinter ogro-oh-oh-ohmom help.
          1. Amurets
            Amurets 4 December 2016 13: 56
            +1
            Quote: avt
            So, in fact, the US did not refuse their cards drawn for this region, and the situation in the region went so far that Erdogan brought the war to his territory and the partition of Turkey was not removed from the agenda

            I mean the same. And I don’t know what will be better? Erdogan or his successor or successors in the event of the partition of Turkey.
      2. vladimirvn
        vladimirvn 4 December 2016 16: 12
        0
        ... "and this is a swing at the Federal Reserve System, as the center of the world emission of money in general." ...

        .. wait for "guests", wait for "guests" ...
  4. garnik
    garnik 4 December 2016 08: 46
    +3
    Russia has a surplus in trade with Turkey. If we agree to this, we will be more "tied" to Turkey. With China, it's a different matter.
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 4 December 2016 16: 03
      0
      Quote: garnik
      If we agree to this, we will be more "attached" to Turkey.

      Erdogan is not in vain Fox)))
  5. Alexdark
    Alexdark 4 December 2016 09: 10
    +1
    Eyes callous to his favor. We must somehow put into the background their plans for Assad.
  6. afrikanez
    afrikanez 4 December 2016 09: 12
    +3
    Gaddafi also proposed to abandon the dollar and everyone knows what happened to him. Erdogan is evidently tired of being in this world. Although Turkey is a member of NATO, maybe it will be allowed?
    1. Alexdark
      Alexdark 4 December 2016 09: 24
      +1
      A member is not a member, but the recent military coup already says a lot. For example, that they will not be allowed to do anything! And if you believe the words of Perdogan, they generally wanted to bang him.
    2. Maki Avellevich
      Maki Avellevich 5 December 2016 08: 01
      0
      Quote: afrikanez
      Gaddafi also proposed to abandon the dollar and everyone knows what happened to him. Erdogan is evidently tired of being in this world. Although Turkey is a member of NATO, maybe it will be allowed?


      every Member, even if he is a member of Nato, must know his place.
      If Erdogan forgets him, then adult uncles will show him.
      nobody will be allowed to rock an economy boat
  7. yuriy55
    yuriy55 4 December 2016 09: 34
    +2
    Totally agree". At the same time, the Russian currency speculators have a little spit in their mouths ... I mean banking ...
  8. Sergey333
    Sergey333 4 December 2016 10: 02
    0
    That's right, you need to finish off a sick fascist beast across the ocean am
  9. vanavatny
    vanavatny 4 December 2016 10: 13
    +1
    and to hell with us lyre, gentlemen, economists? this kick in the dollar on our ass will be imprinted ...
  10. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 4 December 2016 10: 19
    +4
    It’s a paradox, but Erdogad seems to have smart advisers — moving away from the dollar towards the national currency is already an incentive for economic growth.
  11. Zena20298
    Zena20298 4 December 2016 10: 37
    +2
    Erdogan is inadequate. It is necessary to wait from him for any dirty tricks ... And why do we need their useless lyres? Our country is now not in the position to do something again at the expense of itself, and so huge unbearable expenses for us in connection with the construction of a nuclear plant ...
  12. 96423 lom
    96423 lom 4 December 2016 10: 53
    0
    Why don't the two noble dons pay off as they want.
    1. Eastern wind
      Eastern wind 4 December 2016 12: 04
      0
      Who told you that Erdogan, even jokingly, can be called a "noble don"? There is nowhere to put samples on this guy.
  13. Boa kaa
    Boa kaa 4 December 2016 11: 50
    +1
    Apparently they got Tayyip a lot: they don't take him to the EU, they wanted to "turn over" the States. And where to go to the "poor sultan"?
    But I'm a little bit different.
    currency is a lever of pressure.
    “Why should we turn our savings into a means of pressure? Those who hold foreign currency under the mattress should convert it to lira or gold. Let's support national values. This will be the answer to those who are trying to put pressure on Turkey. Don’t worry, you won’t suffer losses ”
    Even the Turks (!) Have gotten to the obvious. But our manetarists of the "Harvard school" still cannot "absorb" this obvious fact. Apparently because all their egg-boxes are filled with "green" ones and they are stored in "non-our" banks. Therefore, they have - where the wallet is, there is the homeland. No wonder, "London is the capital of Russian oligarchs" ...
    over the past month, the Turkish lira fell against the dollar by 11% (on Friday the rate was 3,54 lira per dollar(!!!)).

    And this despite the fact that Turkey takes 17th place in the ranking of world economies! True, we have not gone far from it (15th place), but why do we have to pay 64 rubles for a dollar ??? am
    I understand everything: that it is necessary to "squeeze out" the ruble mass so that there is no inflation, that our goods are cheaper - more competitive on the world market, etc.
    But Judah, take all of you! why then omit the citizens of the richest country in the world (even before the Turks) or Latvians when they give 1 euros for 1,5 Latvian lat (Poor Latvia !!!!) !!!
    But in Tsarist Russia, 1 ruble was worth $ 5!
    Therefore, until the ruble becomes "significant", no one will take us seriously economically. And when the ruble is equal to LAT laughing , then it will be possible to trade in rubles and it is very unprofitable for our economy! And abroad we will feel like a German burgher in Poland laughing
  14. Eastern wind
    Eastern wind 4 December 2016 12: 01
    0
    Believe Erdogan in his rainbow promises can only suicide! And the idea itself is strange. What are we going to do with these lyres? Collect? Erdogan did and does everything just for himself.
  15. fa2998
    fa2998 4 December 2016 12: 02
    0
    Quote: Amurets
    He again called on Turkish citizens to exchange their currency savings for Turkish liras or for gold, since the currency is a lever of pressure.

    And his fate awaits Colonel Gaddafi. He also did not want to trade for green candy wrappers.

    But it is interesting, our "guarantor" with a weakening ruble will turn to voters - hand over dollars, will they change queues at the box office for rubles ?? laughing what hi
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 4 December 2016 14: 06
      +1
      Quote: fa2998
      But it is interesting, our "guarantor" with a weakening ruble will turn to voters - hand over dollars, will they change queues at the box office for rubles ??

      Not on your nelly!
  16. razved
    razved 4 December 2016 12: 19
    0
    The "green deity" is gradually disappearing into oblivion. It is noteworthy that the idea of ​​his funeral does not come only from Russia.
    1. 31R-US
      31R-US 4 December 2016 14: 28
      +1
      I think you and I will not see the funeral of the green deity.
      1. razved
        razved 4 December 2016 14: 35
        0
        I completely agree with you.
  17. spiriolla-45
    spiriolla-45 4 December 2016 14: 34
    0
    Ay da Recep, you have a short memory. Tea forgot how such ideas ended for Gaddafi?
  18. Shurik70
    Shurik70 4 December 2016 15: 14
    +1

    Late he caught himself.
    He is already a political corpse (and perhaps soon real)
    Although we, of course, will go for it.
  19. viktor.
    viktor. 4 December 2016 15: 35
    +2
    i.e. Turks Tomatoes? Is Russia gas? not sickly yes. right now, the eurogheys from the usa find themselves throwing a couple of lards to Erdogan and that’s it stop erdogash will change beyond recognition yes CHAMELEON in one word who will squeeze it under that and repaints !!!!!!
    1. vladimirvn
      vladimirvn 4 December 2016 16: 16
      +1
      ... that is, turkish tomatoes? Is Russia gas? not bad...
      In general, before the severance of relations, we imported from there to a fig and more, everything and everyone. So at a glance: household appliances, automotive and spare parts, chemical industry products, etc., not counting agricultural products
  20. MuadDib
    MuadDib 4 December 2016 15: 47
    +1
    And then he will again make some vile thing.
  21. Tolik_74
    Tolik_74 4 December 2016 18: 19
    +1
    It's time for countries to switch to mutual settlements in their currencies. And China to lower the rate of its yuan. will be a green piece of paper
  22. Rostislav
    Rostislav 4 December 2016 23: 56
    0
    The idea is correct, all the difficulty in developing a way to establish the ruble / lira exchange rate. If this is done through a cross-rate against the dollar, then pure profanity will come out.
  23. zoolu300
    zoolu300 5 December 2016 07: 29
    +1
    Erdogan "bitch ... ra" is still the same. If he decided to "throw" the owners of the Fed, then he will not live long. If, together with the owners of the Federal Reserve System, decided to "throw" the "oligarchy" of the Russian Federation, then it may very well be.