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American General: Afghanistan will abandon the "beautiful" Mi-17

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The Afghan authorities will have to abandon the operation of the Mi-17 helicopters, because of the anti-Russian sanctions it will be impossible to maintain them in working condition, reports TASS Statement by the Commander of US Forces in Afghanistan, John Nicholson.


American General: Afghanistan will abandon the "beautiful" Mi-17


“As you know, decisions on Mi-17 were taken because of Ukraine, the Crimea, because of international sanctions,” said Nicholson.

He recalled that at present Afghanistan has not only a fleet of these machines, but also trained specialists. “The Mi-17 is the perfect machine that Afghans use without any problems. The question is in their service, ”the general noted.

According to him, until the beginning of the Ukrainian crisis, "the idea of ​​continuing the use of Russian helicopters was supported by the international community, but everything changed after the introduction of sanctions in 2014 year." Now, “because of the sanctions against Russia, it will be very difficult to maintain them in working order,” said Nicholson.

Recall that in November, the Pentagon officially refused to purchase Russian helicopters for Afghanistan, saying that in the future the Afghan military will be supplied only by the American UH-60A Black Hawk manufactured by Sikorsky.
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AFP 2016 / Aamir Qureshi
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  1. Altona
    Altona 3 December 2016 11: 24
    +26
    You also use Mi-17s in the USA in the mountains, but in spite of your grandmother frostbite your ears.
    1. OLD FART
      OLD FART 3 December 2016 11: 58
      +13
      Opium...? oh well ... Guard, for now, we all remember and know!

      And now here is the hell with you ..?

      You are our caring ....
      1. cniza
        cniza 3 December 2016 12: 34
        +5
        We’ll look at how much they’re enough to play refusals, I think not for long, and it’s not reasonable.
        1. OLD FART
          OLD FART 3 December 2016 14: 23
          +10
          We offered amers ... IL -76 We build over the Afghan will pass (sprays ..) And all the poppy will be small and just flowers ...! refused ... hi There was a "murderous" argument, Afghans cannot die of hunger without poppy ... angry
    2. warriordima
      warriordima 4 December 2016 03: 01
      0
      I can’t put + to such an article, and the minuses have been canceled., But the news of the article is interesting for me and I want to mark it, but how to mark the article with a plus if it is not pleasant to me? What kind of cunning comes out if you put the pluses on not pleasant topics, but relevant.
      1. The comment was deleted.
        1. Manul
          Manul 4 December 2016 21: 27
          +1
          Quote: Waraga
          Che wrote something?! .. As if to himself for a scruff of shit. And in rapture from his own dexterity. Eccentric.

          In fact, you are right, it feels like a person is inadequate. But it’s not necessary to be rude. This is even more unpleasant.
          1. warriordima
            warriordima 5 December 2016 00: 17
            +1
            Quote: Manul
            Quote: Waraga
            Che wrote something?! .. As if to himself for a scruff of shit. And in rapture from his own dexterity. Eccentric.

            In fact, you are right, it feels like a person is inadequate. But it’s not necessary to be rude. This is even more unpleasant.

            Yes, I agree, I spoke too floridly., I have such garbage when it is too lazy to paint and it turns out that it’s not completely clear. I’m just trying to express my thoughts most concisely and succinctly lately., But as a rule this is not always clear in the text.))
            In short, I wanted to write that when the minuses were removed, the possibility of a negative assessment of news, articles, was lost, and a negative rating is also an indicator of an objective assessment.
            And therefore, to put a minus to "not good" news would be more objective than simply ignoring the "like".
            Zy-Hopefully now I put it clearly, or again laid over the collar? laughing
  2. fzr1000
    fzr1000 3 December 2016 11: 25
    +22
    There will be another hawkfall in Afghanistan and, like dear ones, they will return to Mi 17. It was already.
    1. Yuri from Volgograd
      Yuri from Volgograd 3 December 2016 13: 49
      +4
      Quote: fzr1000
      According to him, before the start of the Ukrainian crisis, "the idea of ​​continuing the use of Russian helicopters was supported by the international community, but everything changed after the imposition of sanctions in 2014." Now, "because of the sanctions against Russia, it will be very difficult to maintain them in working condition," said Nicholson.

      Yes, they do not fall more often, there is another difference.
      Firstly, the Mi-8 is technologically less perfect and therefore can easily withstand difficult conditions.
      Secondly, Black Hawk is much more modest in capabilities.
      Thirdly come out more.
      When the Pentagon bought Mi-8 for Afghanistan, the congress removed them, and they said that it would be good to buy not only for Afghanistan, but also for the USA)
      What was there...
      1. KryoWarrior1978
        KryoWarrior1978 3 December 2016 16: 28
        +4
        Isn't reliability the consequences of manufacturability? Isn't it
      2. aksakal
        aksakal 3 December 2016 17: 08
        +27
        Quote: Yuri from Volgograd
        Firstly, the Mi-8 is less technologically advanced and therefore can easily withstand difficult conditions.

        - you have strange concepts about technological perfection laughing This is the reasoning of a typical humanist who has no idea about technology and the principles of its design. For you, I will explain - the dream of every designer is to achieve the desired operation of the mechanism under construction through its as simple device as possible. Strictly speaking, the success of this work and technological excellence. The T-34 tank is called the best tank of the Second World War precisely because of its manufacturability, that is, the design of the tank was such that it made it possible to create this tank on the conveyor in huge quantities at minimal cost (all, especially temporal). The German "Tiger" was much less technologically perfect, and for you it will be a break from the template. You are stupidly confusing the complexity of the device with its technological perfection. And therefore, of course, I am sure of this, the wrong impression about your competence and mental abilities develops. And in the case of the Tiger, and in the case of the Black Hawk helicopter, we see an example of the negligent attitude of the designers to their work - this is when there is a very complex design with very modest capabilities of this design. Hopefully you will not confuse the terms and call “technological perfection” what is usually called complex suck.
        1. Yuri from Volgograd
          Yuri from Volgograd 3 December 2016 18: 50
          0
          Quote: aksakal
          Quote: Yuri from Volgograd
          Firstly, the Mi-8 is less technologically advanced and therefore can easily withstand difficult conditions.

          - you have strange concepts about technological perfection laughing This is the reasoning of a typical humanitarian who has no idea about technology and the principles of its construction. I will explain to you

          Here I will explain to you in detail, since you are a great technical specialist.
          Blackhawk differs from Mi8 in exactly the same way as M16 from Kalash.
          The difference in the gaps in the fit. We have gaps and, roughly speaking, this reduces efficiency.
          Amerikosov everything is perfectly adjusted, but malenny dust incapacitates.
          So dusty in Afghanistan.
          Therefore, there Mi8 and Kalash rule.
          Fershteyn?
          1. Drshan
            Drshan 3 December 2016 19: 10
            +16
            I do not understand you! What does the gap and reliability in combat conditions in comparison with technological perfection? Ah, ah! The beauty! Ah, ah! Everything is fitted! And you turn it on - it does not work ... Why would it? Nothing personal, purely business.
          2. Krsk
            Krsk 4 December 2016 01: 52
            +2
            your comments are just a celebration of logic, and also about something else you can?
            1. Yuri from Volgograd
              Yuri from Volgograd 5 December 2016 01: 50
              0
              Gentlemen, you are really monochrome.
              I answer all in bulk- READ CAREFULLY !!!
              They threw their hats, but in my opinion no one mastered the text.
              It's a pity the minus was canceled, it's easier to navigate how much we have in the "hurray" trend.
          3. murriou
            murriou 4 December 2016 02: 25
            +5
            Quote: Yuri from Volgograd
            Amerikosov's everything is perfectly tuned, but small dust disables

            Perfectly adjusted - this is when military equipment works normally in combat conditions. Like Kalash, for example.

            And when military equipment only at exhibitions works in perfect cleanliness, it’s called differently laughing
      3. user1212
        user1212 3 December 2016 17: 26
        +10
        Quote: Yuri from Volgograd
        Firstly, the Mi-8 is technologically less perfect and therefore can easily withstand difficult conditions.

        What does the inability of the American engine to work in the highlands have to do with technical excellence?
      4. Philip Staros
        Philip Staros 3 December 2016 22: 09
        +6
        They said everything right, except for one point - not PERFECTION, but the DIFFICULTY of technology. You all said yourself - more reliable, more opportunities, etc. And if so, "unnecessary details" and the rise in price in Western technology are not "perfection", but complication. Do you know why hackers are called hackers? Well, here and there - "extra compartments" ...
      5. Signore Tomato
        Signore Tomato 3 December 2016 22: 35
        +2
        Quote: Yuri from Volgograd
        Firstly, the Mi-8 is technologically less perfect and therefore can easily withstand difficult conditions.
        Secondly, Black Hawk is much more modest in capabilities.


        Full gap pattern.
        Technologically, the eerie Mi-8 is superior in its capabilities to the terribly advanced Blackhawks.

        Template break:

        The break of the template is an unexpected action, aimed at breaking the mind of the interlocutor. “X tore up the Y pattern” means that X performed an action that Y did not expect from him.


        Shiny tights tightly and seductively encircled beautiful hips - a wonderful addition to a light evening dress. From the very tips of diamond earrings to the socks of elegant slippers with thin stiletto heels - everything was simply gorgeous. Eyes with just cast shadows looked at the reflection in the mirror, and lips painted with bright red lipstick were stretched with pleasure. Suddenly, a childish voice was heard from behind: “Dad ?!”


        http://lurkmore.to/Разрыв_шаблона
  3. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 3 December 2016 11: 26
    +8
    Well then. Market. Americans squeeze us out of Afghanistan. Afghans will crash on the expensive Sikorsky, and Americans will take profits.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 3 December 2016 11: 46
      +18
      There is no "market" here. Afghanistan has no money to buy weapons.
      1. fzr1000
        fzr1000 3 December 2016 12: 03
        +10
        The US has them, which sponsors Afghan. And Sikorsky lobbies for an increase in his revenue in the Senate or wherever else. Such a "market".
        1. Observer2014
          Observer2014 3 December 2016 12: 45
          +4
          fzr1000
          The US has them, which sponsors Afghan. And Sikorsky lobbies for an increase in his revenue in the Senate or wherever else. Such a "market".
          Let "Sikorsky" lobby and have anything and any market. But when their helicopters begin to fall. And they will start. The image of the company will not be up to the market. As a matter of fact, this is why our cars were purchased for Afghanistan.
        2. alexmach
          alexmach 3 December 2016 13: 23
          +1
          And it’s quite a normal and understandable decision, even without taking into account the sanctions of the Crimea and anti-Russian policy.
      2. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 3 December 2016 14: 13
        +5
        Quote: Spade
        There is no "market" here. Afghanistan has no money to buy weapons.

        The market is where they buy and sell.
        Little boy in the market "Mom, buy a red plastic helicopter!" "No, he has a bad effect on you, better striped, iron, though more expensive." And then the boy fell on him. Here's a sad story.
        The market in Afghanistan, the real one, is simply the opinion of the buyer ignored by the lender.
    2. fif21
      fif21 3 December 2016 11: 57
      +16
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      Well then. Market. Americans squeeze us out of Afghanistan.
      Let them abandon AK and cartridges wassat I think that this will increase the "love" for mattress toppers from Afghans. hi
      1. nerd.su
        nerd.su 3 December 2016 23: 45
        0
        Quote: fif21
        Let them abandon AK and cartridges

        They will not refuse, they themselves produce them. And RPG-7 too.
        1. fif21
          fif21 4 December 2016 01: 57
          0
          Quote: bot.su
          Well they themselves produce them. And RPG-7 too.
          And what did Dostum ask Putin and Kadyrov? Right AK and ammo wassat And you got a dog!
          1. nerd.su
            nerd.su 4 December 2016 11: 37
            0
            Given the situation, it is unclear whether he asked or we ourselves offered him.

            Why dog? Do you personally know and he annoyed you?
    3. Koshak
      Koshak 3 December 2016 14: 25
      +2
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      Well then. Market. Americans squeeze us out of Afghanistan. Afghans will crash on the expensive Sikorsky, and Americans will take profits.

      You do not know that this is not a poor Afghanistan who buys these turntables, namely the Yankees who buy them from us for the Afghans? So there is no squeezing, the Afghans are not investing in this business, all this is intra-domestic financial friction.
      1. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 4 December 2016 18: 52
        0
        Quote: Koshak
        [quote = Mav.

        You do not know that this is not a poor Afghanistan who buys these turntables, namely the Yankees who buy them from us for the Afghans? So there is no squeezing, the Afghans are not investing in this business, all this is intra-domestic financial friction. [/ Quote]
        I will disappoint. I am aware that the Afghan has no money and his opinion is lowered, you know where. And he wants exactly our "turntables, namely the Yankes" make them subscribe to theirs. So where is the justice? I’ll give you a loan, and I’ll put a percentage, only you will take not what you want, but what I indicate.
        And do not shag grandma about the most intelligent.
  4. Cat
    Cat 3 December 2016 11: 29
    +6
    Yes, a strange replacement of the "excellent" Mi17s for the "inappropriate" UH-60A Black Hawk. But in this story, something else is surprising, this is admitted by the General of the US Army !? Why would "Yaroslavna's cry" at such a level! There are two options:
    The first. Create instability in factories where Mi helicopters are collected! Not very likely.
    Second! More believable. The bell to the newly elected US president. Like, don't go to this Crimea and sanctions, we are scared to fly on the patriotic UH-60A Black Hawk! Give us back Mi17.
    1. evge-malyshev
      evge-malyshev 3 December 2016 15: 08
      +2
      Quote: Kotischa
      Like, don't go to this Crimea and sanctions, we are scared to fly on the patriotic UH-60A Black Hawk! Give us back Mi17.

      I would like to believe. But ... It is unlikely ... Simply - his shirt is closer to the body.
    2. dzvero
      dzvero 3 December 2016 21: 15
      +3
      Rather, the third option is for the general to have a stake in an intermediary company buying the Mi-8 from Russia.
  5. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 3 December 2016 11: 29
    +3
    American general ...

    What is the point - the American general decides for the Afghans. But this is for the government, and the Afghans as they fought with the Americans will continue.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 3 December 2016 11: 47
      +9
      Who pays, he makes decisions. Afghans here from which side?
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 3 December 2016 11: 47
      +11
      Can the Afghan army hold the situation? Not. Therefore, ISOF decides for them - it’s logical.

      Plus, the Americans were burned in the same Iraq - when Bush conquered it for Iran, suddenly so. Having overthrown Saddam, the Americans focused on early elections, in which Shiites won (surprise, surprise, surprise) (there are simply more of them, and Shiite will vote only for Shiite, just like Sunni, for Sunni, regardless of the candidate’s attractiveness). Well and further on the thumb, every year the Shiites took more and more power, and gravitated more and more to Iran. The Sunnis, on the contrary, were removed from all significant posts. Which in general created the basis for the uprising, which was used by the IG.
    3. Koshak
      Koshak 3 December 2016 14: 28
      +1
      Quote: rotmistr60
      American general ...

      What is the point - the American general decides for the Afghans. But this is for the government, and the Afghans as they fought with the Americans will continue.

      The Afghans did not invest a dime in these purchases. The entire procurement project is funded by the Yankees.
  6. Vladimir 38
    Vladimir 38 3 December 2016 11: 51
    +2
    Here, and in a previous US news, the Be200 was supposedly going to buy ..
  7. fif21
    fif21 3 December 2016 11: 53
    +2
    In response, Russia will abandon Coca-Cola, Pepsi-Cola laughing And in response to the rejection of the RD 180, it will reject the Maykrasoft products! laughing And there’s nothing more to buy from the USA. Reduce the trade balance by zeros. hi
    1. Olegovi4
      Olegovi4 3 December 2016 15: 48
      0
      irony, such irony. here it is not necessary to look for answers, but new markets for our machines.
      1. fif21
        fif21 3 December 2016 16: 11
        +4
        Quote: Olegovi4
        and new markets for our machines.

        Orders for 5 years in advance! We need to build another plant! Amerikosy drive their topic, we are ours! They have the most expensive weapons, we have the best! laughing Can the decommissioned Strela MANPADS be sold to the Taliban? Or exchange it for cowboy scalps laughing
        1. Olegovi4
          Olegovi4 3 December 2016 16: 38
          +2
          pzrk? which will then "float" during launches on civilian sides, maybe not in Russia, but in Central Asia for sure. bad idea. bad laugh.
          1. fif21
            fif21 4 December 2016 02: 06
            0
            Quote: Olegovi4
            pzrk? which will then "float" during launches on civilian sides, maybe not in Russia
            The mattress toppers didn't bother with the Stingers. And MANPADS can be tested in combat conditions, by the hands of the Taliban. Russia does not have a monopoly on MANPADS. And civilian airplanes are safe for the Taliban, but Amer's dragonflies are a real threat. hi
  8. Anatole Klim
    Anatole Klim 3 December 2016 12: 39
    +1
    Mi-17s are great cars that Afghans use without any problems.

  9. AID.S
    AID.S 3 December 2016 12: 41
    0
    No business, only personal ....
    They can do no harm to the detriment of themselves, they will do no harm ...
  10. kaserog
    kaserog 3 December 2016 12: 41
    +3
    Quote: fif21
    In response, Russia will refuse

    I would forbid the transit of mattresses to Afghanistan through us - let Sikors drag in an underground passage
  11. dauria
    dauria 3 December 2016 12: 45
    +12
    But the Afghans and the Mi-24 were. Probably already rotted. The aircraft they were interested in was civilian Boeing with the Canadian DHC-6 and our motley ones. Straight Museum of Flying Aviation. Once in the sky over Mazar met the MiG-17. If I saw Baba Yaga riding a broomstick, I would be less surprised. I took a picture in the 85th in Kunduz.
  12. Ham
    Ham 3 December 2016 13: 52
    +3
    so then we already heard all this ... already loudly, with fanfare and howls, refused our helicopters ...
  13. andron-30
    andron-30 3 December 2016 14: 55
    +1
    that’s how the decision of a bunch of idiots calls into question the security of the country, which we have not such mountains and mountains, the war in Afghanistan is in our hearts and minds.
  14. Franciscan
    Franciscan 3 December 2016 15: 04
    0
    the market is just squeezed out for themselves.
  15. Olegovi4
    Olegovi4 3 December 2016 15: 45
    +1
    now under this business vyalikoukropiya smeared on the maintenance of turntables. until they are all put into the ground.
  16. Orionvit
    Orionvit 3 December 2016 16: 12
    +2
    For that fought for it and ran. Flag in their hands, let them fly on Amer. At MI-17, there is no shortage of buyers.
  17. 3vs
    3vs 3 December 2016 18: 07
    +2
    And who is stopping the Afghan government from directly concluding a service agreement with Russia and supplying spare parts / new cars?
    The Naglo-Saxons only have financial support, they owe the Afghans for everything that they have done on their land, I can’t even imagine how much, they will do the rest without them! ((c) "Formula of love" "Why do we need a blacksmith, we do not need a blacksmith" laughing )
  18. woyt.69
    woyt.69 3 December 2016 19: 51
    0
    I did not know that Afghanistan joined the anti-Russian sanctions. And thank God, Afghan imports (heroin, opium, hash, etc.) let the Yankees get it.
  19. murriou
    murriou 4 December 2016 02: 28
    0
    Everything as usual. Russia is to blame for the fact that the United States imposed sanctions against Russia laughing
  20. Mentat
    Mentat 4 December 2016 03: 32
    +3
    Quote: Yuri from Volgograd
    Mi-8 is technologically less perfect and therefore can easily withstand difficult conditions.

    Something in this phrase is wrong. Either the logic is non-standard, or the “technological excellence” of American helicopters is alternative.
  21. Evil 55
    Evil 55 4 December 2016 05: 52
    +1
    We will get more .. The more often you step on the rake, the sooner you will learn to think with your head.
  22. San_jok
    San_jok 4 December 2016 09: 44
    0
    Afftyr, and why in the title "beautiful" in quotation marks?
  23. pafegosoff
    pafegosoff 4 December 2016 21: 05
    0
    Flag in their hands! Afghans will not fly on American.
    The general, as a practice, is very sorry that it happened.
  24. drunkram
    drunkram 5 December 2016 07: 22
    0
    Mi-171 despite the fact that we love it both in Iraq and Afghanistan, flies past because of the political situation - it reminded me of the situation with Ukrainians and their sanctions against the Russian Federation, I’ll give a damn to my neighbor and I don’t care they will smell bad and the soil will fertilize at the neighbor, the main thing is that he spoiled and washed off