According to the ogre code

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It is widely believed that Japan is a unique Eastern civilization, the quintessence of the best in Asia. Maybe. But not only the best. The atrocities of the Japanese in the period from 1900 to 1945 a year in all the territories they occupied - from our Sakhalin and Primorye to China, Korea, and the Pacific island countries - are hard to even describe.

An excerpt from the book of Valentin Pikul “Katorga”: “On Gilyak boats, on foot or on pack horses, carrying children, through the mountains and impassable swamps in Aleksandrovsk, refugees from South Sakhalin began to get out, and at first no one wanted to believe their monstrous stories about samurai atrocities: “They kill everyone. From them, even the small guys have no mercy. And what non-Christians! First he will give candy, pat on the head, and then ... then head against the wall. We all abandoned that they were making money, just to stay alive ... ”The refugees spoke the truth. When, in the vicinity of Port Arthur or Mukden, the bodies of Russian soldiers who were mutilated by torture were found, the Japanese said that this was the work of the Hunhuzes of the Chinese Empress Cixi. But there was never a Hunhuz on Sakhalin, and the inhabitants of the island saw the real look of a samurai. It was here, on the Russian land, that the Japanese decided to take care of the cartridges: they pierced the military or the warriors who had been captured with cuttings, and cut off the heads of the locals with swords. According to the exiled political prisoner, only in the first days of the invasion they beheaded two thousand peasants. ”



The villages of Mazhanovo, Sokhatino and Ivanovka on Sakhalin fully learned what the real Bushido way is. The occupants burned houses together with people, brutally raped women, shot and stabbed the inhabitants with bayonets, cut their heads to swords with defenseless people.

In 1918, Japan began intervention in the Far East, predatory on targets and punitive on actions. In Transbaikalia, the population of the region decreased from 55 thousand to 30 thousand people. In Vladivostok, killed seven thousand Russian. Only from January to April of 1920 in the Amur Region did occupants burn 25 villages along with residents. The terrible massacre was arranged by the Japanese in Khabarovsk on the night of 4 on 5 on April 1920 of the year. The Koreans who lived in the city were burned to death without exception.

The local authorities had to conclude an agreement with the invaders, nicknamed "Far Eastern Brest", on the cessation of fighting and the withdrawal of troops from the Japanese garrisons and the railway that remained under their control. But in the captured cities: Vladivostok, Khabarovsk, Nikolsk-Ussuriysk, Blagoveshchensk - murder and abuse of the living and the dead continued.

According to the ogre codeDuring World War II, it was an everyday matter for Japanese soldiers and officers to chop civilians with swords, pin bayonets, rape and kill women, children and the elderly. In the Kwantung Army, there were “Basic Rules” that taught how to “torture” prisoners of war “correctly”. For example, paragraph 65 stated: “The methods of torture must be such that they can be easily applied, that large and long-lasting sufferings can be maintained without a sense of pity, and that as a result there are no wounds or scars left ... Methodically continue torture and instill thought: "Now you will be killed." The following are some types of torture. “Putting the interrogated person on his back, dripping water at the same time into the nose and into the mouth ... Or putting the interrogated sideways, trampling his ankle ...”

In July, 1937-th, the Japanese-Chinese war (which lasted until 1945 year). December 13 was captured by Nanjing, and there was a mass slaughter for five days. The Japanese army acted on the basis of the three principles of "clean": burn, kill, rob. The number of victims of the Nanking Massacre, some sources estimate at half a million. Tens of thousands of Chinese women were raped, many of them killed.

In the judgment of the International Military Tribunal for the Far East, the events in Nanking are described as follows: “By the time the Japanese army entered the city in the morning of December 13 of 1937, all resistance had ceased. Japanese soldiers roamed the city, committed various kinds of atrocities ... Many were drunk, they walked the streets, indiscriminately killing Chinese: men, women and children, until squares, streets and alleys were littered with corpses. Even teenage girls and old women were raped. Many women, having been raped, were killed, their bodies were disfigured. After the robbery of shops and warehouses, Japanese soldiers often set fire to them. ”

The book by Iris Chan, Rape in Nanking, is dedicated to these events. The Forgotten Holocaust of World War II ”(The Rape of Nanking: The Forgotten Holocaust of World War II). Only one of the episodes: “The Japanese began by taking out of the city and pinning thousands of men of military age with 20 bayonets so that they would not be able to lift weapon against japan Then the invaders moved to the destruction of women, old people, children. Mad samurai ended the sex with murder, squeezed out their eyes and pulled out of their hearts still living people ”.

Since 70-x Tokyo denies the crimes committed in China. Some Japanese politicians call the falsification of the Nanking massacre. However, in December, the Japanese newspaper 1937, which painted the exploits of the army, enthusiastically reported about the gallant competition of two officers who had argued who would be the first to kill more than a hundred Chinese. Won the samurai Mukai, who stabbed 106 man against 105. Even the German consul in the official report described the behavior of Japanese soldiers as brutal. It is known that the slaughter was led by the senior military commander of the Japanese - the uncle of the emperor, Prince Asaka Takahito. The killings were committed with extreme cruelty. The victims were pinned down with bayonets, their heads were cut off, people were burned, buried alive, women had their stomachs ripped out and the inside turned inside out. They raped, and then brutally killed girls, old women.

The Japanese widely used weapons of mass destruction. They were not at all worried about the consequences. Chemical weapons were used from 1937 to 1945 in the 18 provinces of China. Ching Side, a professor at the Institute of Japanese Studies at the Academy of Social Sciences of the People's Republic of China, writes: “More than two thousand battles were registered in which chemical weapons were used that caused the death of more than 60 thousand people. The real number of casualties is much higher: according to Japanese statistics, chemical weapons were used much more often. ”

In July, the Japanese 1938 dropped a thousand chemical bombs on the city of Wotsuy, Shanxi Province, and during the Wuhan battle, 48 thousands of shells with poisonous gas. In March, 1939-th chemical weapons were used against Kuomintang troops stationed in Nanchang - the full staff of the two divisions died as a result of poisoning. Since August 1940, chemical weapons 11 have been used in North China along railway lines once, the number of casualties among military personnel exceeded 10 thousands.

In the squadron 731, a special unit of the Japanese army, bacteriological weapons were developed. Experiments were conducted on people (prisoners of war, abductees). They were tested for vaccines against typhus, cholera, anthrax and dysentery, venereal diseases (on women and their fruits) were investigated. Experiments were called "logs." People were slaughtered for "scientific purposes", infected with the most terrible diseases, then dissected while still alive. Experiments were made on the survivability of "logs": how many will hold out without water and food, scalded with boiling water, after X-ray irradiation, electric shocks, without any cut-out organ.

Diseases among prisoners of war were fought simply: the whole camp was burned, where the infected were met. The story is a miracle surviving American veteran of the war in the Pacific: “The crowd of prisoners on the island of Baatan began to overtake the Japanese motorcycle. One of the Japanese sided a bayonet to a rifle, set it at the throat level of Americans standing on the sidelines and the motorcycle sped up. ”

When there were problems with food, the Japanese soldiers decided that eating prisoners was not considered sinful or shameful. Eyewitnesses say that "gourmets" cut off pieces of meat from living people. By the end of the war, cannibalism became commonplace. Officers in remote theaters of war called for subordinates to eat only killed enemies. Since on the Pacific Islands the Japanese switched to guerrilla warfare tactics, special “groups of hunters” were created, and enemy soldiers and local residents were fowling. In New Guinea, the occupiers had a division of human flesh into white and black "pork". The first was understood as Americans and Australians, under the second - Asians. Although eating their comrades was strictly forbidden, such incidents were in the Philippines.

On Titizime, the Japanese ate eight American pilots. The case turned out to be documented, since not only the officers, but also the highest army authorities were “helping themselves”. In 1946, 30 people got sued for this case. Five were hanged: General Tatibama, Admiral Mori, Major Matoba, Captain Isi, doctor Teraki. Interestingly, there is no article for cannibalism in international law, but lawyers have found a way out - cannibals were executed for “obstructing the honorary burial”.

From the memoirs of the Indian Lens Naik Khatam Ali, who was captured in New Guinea: “Every day, soldiers killed and ate one prisoner. I myself have seen it happen. About a hundred prisoners were eaten. ”

Experts point out that the soldiers did not commit atrocities because they carried out the order, they liked to bring pain and torment. There is an assumption that cruelty against the enemy is caused by the interpretation of the Bushido military code: no mercy for the defeated, a prisoner worse than death, the enemies should be exterminated so that they could not take revenge in the future.

Opinion ex-Soviet Ambassador Alexander Panov: “The Japanese do not recognize the many atrocities that were committed in China, as well as against the Koreans. There is a statement at the highest level, including that made by Prime Minister Abe, that there is no clear definition of aggression in international law and everything depends on what country’s actions are called into question. ”

Inhumanity, elevated to the absolute, was and remains in Japan one of the main "virtues." Shinto theorists consider this the “firm unshakable spirit” of the Land of the Rising Sun, which gives emperor's subjects the right, coupled with the samurai code of honor, to a special place among the powerful of the world. The barbarous extermination of innocent people is more than a peculiar notion of honor.
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  1. +10
    3 December 2016 15: 20
    Probably in this way the "Samurai ... remaining in the jungle!"
    1. +20
      3 December 2016 16: 43
      There is a Chinese film "People behind the Sun" ... It is very difficult to watch it, it describes a Japanese camp in Manchuria where experiments were carried out on prisoners .. Moreover, they did not recognize the rules of warfare .. It's just ALIEN in the whole sense of the word ..
      1. +29
        3 December 2016 16: 44
        I want to add .. I would not conclude any agreement with them, neither peace nor military ..
      2. +33
        3 December 2016 17: 08
        The Japanese spoke of sympathy and mercy only when the partisans began to cut them, during the occupation of the Far East. Then there were already cries of mercy when in 1945 they began to drive them into herds of prisoners of war and simultaneously destroy the sadists. That's when the sadists began to be destroyed without looking at the * nobility * and proximity to the emperor, and then they began to yell. By the way, there are still many rumors among the Japanese about the brutality of the Russians. Even Murakami in his opuses described RUSSIAN horrors against the Japanese.
        And so * culture * of the Japanese is a fiction of Hollywood and nothing more. By the way, samurai and Bushido and swords are all the result of fairy tales and no more. Until the Japanese were taken out as slaves, instead of blacks, nobody was interested in the poor savages. Tales of the ancient * culture * were created almost simultaneously with Chinese tales. It was then that they attributed to the Japanese * fortitude * and much more.
        1. Cat
          +19
          3 December 2016 18: 38
          China estimates its losses from 1931 (the invasion of Japan) to 1946 - 35 million people! Draw conclusions yourself gentlemen!
          Regarding the "nobility" of the samurai, back in 1938, our soldiers assessed them as "cheesy". Later, the Americans confirmed that most of the Japanese swords are consumer goods from the rails!
          You can even imagine our cavalryman of the 1943 model with a low-carbon steel saber. Especially in the Cossack environment !?
        2. +6
          3 December 2016 19: 12
          Quote: Vasily50
          And so * culture * of the Japanese is a fiction of Hollywood and nothing more.

          You are mistaken. Japan is truly a country with a huge cultural layer. Do not deny him the availability of the fact that he does not look like ours
          1. Cat
            +4
            3 December 2016 21: 25
            This cultural layer forms an unambiguous concept that in the world there are only two civilized countries, Japan and China, the rest are barbarians. In principle, it was the realization that the world was wider than previously imagined by the samurai and that a completely different culture led to Japan's self-isolation in the 17th century.
            1. +7
              3 December 2016 21: 33
              About * self-isolation * invented to explain the primitiveness of Japanese * culture * and the savagery of the Japanese. Of the Japanese, they tried to make mercenaries to capture the colonies in Asia, and so they began to convince the Japanese of * fortitude *, samurai troubles and other crap. By the way, the * legendary * KATANA sword was received from Europeans.
              1. +2
                4 December 2016 18: 32
                Before writing nonsense, would read history books
            2. +2
              3 December 2016 23: 08
              Quote: Kotischa
              This cultural layer forms an unambiguous concept that in the world there are only two civilized countries, Japan and China, the rest are barbarians

              Compare with the European burden of a white man? :)))))
            3. 0
              5 December 2016 12: 19
              Here, it’s more likely not the Roman model (except for us and the Greeks - all other barbarians), but the Greek (except for us - all other barbarians).
              1. +1
                24 February 2017 19: 45
                Actually for Japs, only the Japanese people are all absolutely all the others are not people.
                Yes, and betray a sweet deed for the samurai and spit ima on bushido and other codes.
          2. +2
            4 December 2016 19: 00
            if you only consider the culture of the "oppression" of the outlaws ... if you knew what the term "land of the rising sun" means ...
          3. +1
            12 December 2016 01: 01
            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            You are mistaken. Japan is truly a country with a huge cultural layer.


            Yes - of course - they have a culture - BUT THEY have always been enemies - simply because of the science of geopolitics

            Khan Khubilai was going to resolve the issue - but unfortunately the "kamikaze" divine wind among the Yapas - but simply the storm prevented our common khan

            And then the great great grandchildren of the same. who served with Khubilai died in the battles of Halingol

            My grandfather gave his life on the eastern front

            I don't really like Japanese culture. and all my relatives and old people too. There is an ancient Kazakh expression "sudan shykkan sumurai" - someone says that this is not about those Japanese samurai - but someone writes and proves. what is it about the ancestors of the Japs. that they passed from the Caucasus to the islands and were forced to conflict with the steppe inhabitants along the way - and walked along the Amur to the Pacific Ocean - and from that and "Sudan Shykkan" - that is, those who landed from the water

            I do not know. but Japanese culture is somehow hard to accept with a bang. photo of grandfather (he’s young there - 25-30 in uniform) in the hall behind the glass. Himself not a nationalist - but it’s kind of hard for the Japanese in general
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      4. +1
        3 December 2016 22: 08
        This film is about the "squad 731" mentioned in the article
        1. +3
          4 December 2016 00: 53
          Quote: igoryok1984
          This film is about the "squad 731" mentioned in the article

          About this detachment there are two books written by the Japanese. The film is heavy, and the books are even heavier.
          These are "Devil's Kitchen" by Morimura Seiichi and "Special Unit 731" by Akiyama Hiroshi.
    2. +2
      5 December 2016 12: 08
      The Japanese do not recognize the many atrocities that were committed in China, as well as against Koreans.
      Well, if such behavior is natural for them. They also applied to their people in Japan. This is their culture. It can be idealized, is the question worth it?
  2. +6
    3 December 2016 15: 30
    Arigato. It is clear to anyone who has seriously taken up Japanese BI that they are carriers of a culture completely alien to us. But by the way, what does the author say about the more than correct attitude towards our prisoners in the Russian-Japanese war
    1. +23
      3 December 2016 16: 02
      The author writes about the atrocities that the Japanese troops committed in the occupied territories. And cases of a good attitude are already at the end of the war, and, as an exception to the "rules". In relation to a woman, one can judge the people. See how the Japanese treat women. Like soulless creatures ...
      1. +3
        3 December 2016 17: 35
        hehe ... can recall how the Czech government treated gypsy women?
      2. +2
        3 December 2016 17: 48
        Are you kidding. And somehow I did not notice that the Japanese woman was not a man. Have you seen a living Japanese? And as regards the cruelty, the ancient graters and Koreans in the case of the Japanese and Koreans among the Japanese slaughtered the Japanese no worse. Another thing is that the Japanese were stronger. And besides, they smoothly transferred their Middle Ages into the 20th century to familiar opponents, which by the way caused themselves enormous harm. Like MacArthur said that maybe Japanese and people, but he does not know the arguments in favor of this.
        1. +9
          3 December 2016 18: 24
          Quote: Kenneth
          And somehow I did not notice that the Japanese woman was not a man.

          An example from the battles near Port Arthur. The Japanese fired at our sisters of mercy, despite the red crosses. When one of the Japanese officers was taken prisoner, the question why their soldiers did this answered that all Japanese women who served in their hospitals were recruited in brothels .And the Japanese believed that the Russian nurses were also from there and there was nothing to spare them in this case.
          1. 0
            3 December 2016 19: 58
            This is an argument. Are you seriously. An episode of a hundred years ago is doubtful of origin. But what about the Russian chicken is not a bird woman is not a man.
            1. +4
              4 December 2016 00: 34
              something stuck you on the "good" narrow-eyed people who were the first to start wars
            2. +7
              4 December 2016 01: 04
              Quote: Kenneth
              This is an argument. Are you seriously. An episode of a hundred years ago is doubtful of origin. But what about the Russian chicken is not a bird woman is not a man.

              But what about the fact that when opening the Tatar Strait and researching on Sakhalin, G.I Nevelskaya faced such a phenomenon as the fact that on Sakhalin and Hokkaido samurai slaughtered the Ainu male population, the elderly and children, and women were sold to public houses in Hong Kong and Singapore. This has not been widely published, but is in the reports of Nevelsky.
            3. 0
              19 December 2017 08: 23
              For Russians, this meant a subordinate position in the family and decisions taken by a purely male congregation.
              As for the position of a Japanese woman, specific points are added under the same positions as the Russians. Let me give you one example from memory: a Japanese wife cannot go to bed until her husband arrives home. There have never been such situations in the Russian family. Yes, if Russian husbands listened to the advice of their wives, in Japanese families this is simply impossible.
        2. Cat
          +5
          3 December 2016 21: 40
          And as regards the cruelty, the ancient graters and Koreans in the case of the Japanese and Koreans among the Japanese slaughtered the Japanese no worse. Another thing is that the Japanese were stronger. And besides, they smoothly transferred their Middle Ages into the 20th century to familiar opponents, which by the way caused themselves enormous harm.

          As far as I remember, Koreans did not come to the Japanese islands to fight, the Chinese tried twice to organize an invasion of Japan, and even then under the leadership of the Mongol khans. But the Japanese in the Middle Ages almost every century invaded Korea. But each time they got it in the teeth. About 30-50 years passed, and again the invasion and teeth-tightness. And so on until the 20th century. Therefore, the thesis is stronger than the Japanese myth! The Japanese were more aggressive than their neighbors, but this was not strength, but disrespect and contempt, which cost Japan the defeat in World War II.
      3. +2
        3 December 2016 21: 43
        Quote: aleks2016
        In relation to a woman, one can judge the people.
        golden words, Yuri Venediktovich (c) only one people have Cologne New Year's Eve, and to another, even a tourist, is not considered an option.
    2. +15
      3 December 2016 16: 48
      Quote: Kenneth
      about a more than correct attitude towards our prisoners in the Russian-Japanese war

      Do not consider us more stupid than you ... Japs in that war took loans from Jewish bankers for the war against "Russian savages". Eating a warm liver cut out from a Russian prisoner who has not yet been killed would have caused shock in "civilized" Europe. Therefore, the "slanting ideological brothers" of the Americans and the British were forced to look after the "image of morality", and it was also not bad to get a gesheft for the minimum set of amenities provided to the prisoners, from the point of view of Japs.
      1. 0
        3 December 2016 17: 40
        And who should I consider you if you write garbage. The rite of eating the liver in Japanese tradition is unknown to me. Share the link. But the fact that the Japanese were well treated as Russian prisoners and officers were generally released under certain conditions of evidence.
        1. +4
          4 December 2016 07: 22
          Quote: Kenneth
          And who should I consider you if you write garbage.

          ... more dumb than you ...
          Quote: Kenneth
          The rite of eating the liver in Japanese tradition is unknown to me. Share the link.

          Do not read the democratic press until dinner ... Read normal literature, get to know the world. At your request, I give the link:
          "Each new murder on the battlefield should stimulate the personal courage of the samurai. Hence the rule of" try of the sword "(tameshigiri) and the custom of eating the liver of a slain enemy (kimotori). According to Shinto beliefs, the source of courage in a person is the liver -" kimo ". gets a new special charge of courage. Cutting the body of the enemy with the technique of kesagiri, "monastic cloak", from the left shoulder to the right side, the samurai pulled out the liver and ate it. "
          http://www.proza.ru/2009/04/06/126
          Google about "kimotori".
          Quote: Kenneth
          But the fact that the Japanese were well treated as Russian prisoners and officers were generally released under certain conditions of evidence

          With the very sympathetic attitude of the European-American press to the Japs, your "cute Japs" could not demonstrate their Asian essence to the Europeans, so they tried to adhere (and defiantly!) To the European rules of warfare.
          1. +1
            5 December 2016 08: 42
            Right That war was Japan’s first war with a European country, so the samurai adhered to the rules and regulations, but China was unlucky with this. In 1894 - 1895, Japan waged a war with him quite according to Bushido.
        2. +1
          6 December 2016 12: 37
          Eating the enemy’s liver is a long-standing Japanese custom called the Kimotori Rite.
          According to Shinto beliefs, the liver (kimo) serves as a source of courage in the human body. It was believed that by eating the raw liver of a defeated enemy, you get a new charge of courage.
          Judicial records documented evidence of cannibalism in Japanese forces during World War II. When they ran out of food, Japanese soldiers killed and ate each other when they did not have any of the civilian population of the enemy. In other cases, they killed and dismembered enemy soldiers. Well documented is the incident that occurred in Chitijima in 1945, when Japanese soldiers killed and ate eight downed American pilots. This incident was made public in 1947 during the trial of 30 Japanese military personnel, five of whom (General Tachibana, Admiral Mori, Captain Yuoshi, Major Matoba, and Dr. Teraki) were hanged. And since there is no article in international military law for cannibalism, they were tried for murders and "depriving dead prisoners of war of an honorable burial."
          Officers of the Japanese military base then held a festive dinner together with the naval ones, and at the height of the fun, Japanese General Tachibana ordered his subordinate to bring a little “kimo” from the fresh grave of the recently killed prisoner of war.
          The subordinate readily complied with the order, and the slightly toasted enemy liver took a worthy place on the festive table. Obviously, not wanting to lag behind his land counterpart, Admiral Mori ordered the American pilots captured recently by Japanese sailors to be brought to the table.
          Some of the American prisoners of war were executed before eating their liver, but others were much less fortunate - they were eaten for several days, amputating the limbs as needed to keep the meat fresh.
        3. 0
          19 December 2017 08: 33
          If you do not know a fact, this does not mean that it does not exist.
          He is well known to the Americans, who created a special squad to search for these criminals after the occupation of Japan. There are documents of this court.
          "... the kimotori rite, the eating of the liver of captured officers. Samurai were especially famous for this in the camps of American POW prisoners of war in Sumatra."
    3. +13
      3 December 2016 17: 53
      Kenneth
      Arigato. It is clear to anyone who has seriously taken up Japanese BI that they are carriers of a culture completely alien to us.

      Anyone who is seriously engaged in Japanese BI should understand that this is like the Khokhloma painting in Russia. The relationship is, but rather ethnographic. I am sure you have not eaten from painted wooden dishes for a long time.
      European Fencing School, incl. and Russian, two orders of magnitude ahead of the Japanese.

      Last year I was at the Samurai exhibition in the Hermitage. Interesting.
      I compared the time of making armor with our wars!
      Introduced a "samurai" in the Poltava or Borodino battle. Clowns.

      The Japanese, in relation to prisoners of war, are probably worse than the German Nazis. Perhaps it is possible to compare with the Finnish camps or the attitude of Estonian and Latvian punitive towards the civilian population in the occupied territories.
      In discussions of war crimes, we forget about China’s losses from the Japanese occupation. For them, WWII began in the 30s !!!
      1. +1
        3 December 2016 20: 04
        It is a pity that having visited the exhibition, you did not burden your mind by studying the question why at this time the Japanese did such armor and did not run after each other with the fuseys
        1. +1
          3 December 2016 20: 23
          Kenneth ...
          It is a pity that having visited the exhibition, you did not burden your mind by studying the question why at that time the Japanese did such armor and did not run after each other with the fuseys

          They arranged intercourse with "fuzei", but ceremonial armor was still made "the old fashioned way", as modern fans of "Japanese BI" try to imagine.
          1. 0
            3 December 2016 20: 32
            They made guns. Only at this time they had a bad time with the friends
    4. +6
      3 December 2016 17: 57
      Quote: Kenneth
      But by the way, what does the author say about the more than correct attitude towards our prisoners in the Russian-Japanese war

      There is something else. The Japanese then tried very hard in everything to be like white people, hence the human attitude towards prisoners
    5. +9
      3 December 2016 18: 06
      It is enough to read the memoirs of Russian sailors to find out that the attitude was disgusting. And after Witte began to tilt all of Japanese diplomacy with the Africans at the head, it also worsened.
      You can not compare the Japanese with the Europeans. They are different. They must be compared with the Chinese, Koreans, and Vietnamese. And here yes, the Japanese are the quintessence of everything Asian. And cruelty, and cynicism, and practicality. Including to yourself.
      1. +3
        3 December 2016 19: 09
        Quote: M0xHaTka
        It is enough to read the memoirs of Russian sailors to find out that the attitude was disgusting

        By European standards - perhaps, although I must say that the attitude was quite acceptable. But on Asian ... they never fussed with anyone like that
      2. 0
        13 November 2017 14: 47
        From the drunken revelations of the Chinese comrades (trying to honor them, not to be very frank about their attitude towards the Japanese), the following was compiled: the Japanese hate China, as they hate their ancient fellow tribesmen, who expelled the ancestors of the Japanese from their society. The descendants of Amaterasu and Yamato at the genetic level have the desire to humiliate and make the Chinese suffer. And the Chinese are clearly aware of this, just by the 1930s they had forgotten a little, and the creatures from Nippon, generously financed by Western banks, did not fail to remind the Chinese "non-brothers" about themselves ..
    6. 0
      15 December 2016 22: 37
      During the RJAV, Japan passed the exam to join the "world club". So they played gentlemen.
  3. +31
    3 December 2016 15: 49
    Thanks to our fathers for defeating this barbarian country in 1945. My wife's father (Marine captain) took the Kuril Islands. And my father died on the Leningrad front in 1941. On the Kuril Islands, under my leadership, the support stations of the RSDN "Tropik" were installed. I also remember the rusty Japanese tanks on Iturup. I have the honor.
  4. +20
    3 December 2016 15: 49
    Here is such a civilized nation .... And who could have thought of the Germans? ... And the Russians went to Alaska, and all the peoples living in the territories annexed to Russia were well living and developing ...
    1. +2
      3 December 2016 18: 11
      Quote: tinibar
      And the Russians marched to Alaska, and all the peoples who lived in the territories annexed to Russia lived well and developed ...

      Yes ... Well, unfortunately, we did not get around the sow ... and we strongly pressed the Nogais, Chechens, Circassians, Yakuts, Aleuts ... but who else. There are laws of the development of the Empire and they are ruthless to those who oppose them ... Another thing is that those who obeyed created all normal conditions for development under the laws of the Empire.
      1. +17
        3 December 2016 19: 22
        Quote: svp67
        Well, unfortunately, the sowing cup didn’t leave us as well ... and we strongly pressed the Nogais, Chechens, Circassians, Yakuts, Aleuts ... but who else.

        Just do not lie. Chechens are a nation that went from robbers robbing caravans in that area - with morality flowing from there. Robbery, not military, as they are pleased to consider now. Adygea ... this is a nation that lived on the trade in live goods. Russian live goods, to be specified.
        Yakuts / Aleuts and other Khanty and Mansi have preferences that the title nation NEVER had. Until now - drive to the north to understand what is supposed to be local and what is Russian.
        1. Cat
          +4
          3 December 2016 22: 13
          On the Adyghe, Nogai and Chechen issues, the position of Russia was cruel, and just on the basis of your arguments, it’s your own fault. But contemporaries of those events reproached themselves for the fact that when the Caucasians asked to return to the white kingdom's allegiance. But Russia did not make a broad gesture, which was not peculiar to it. But these are not the only errors of the Russian Empire in national politics - the Bashkir issue has been resolved for two centuries! The confrontation between the Russian administration and the Chukchi with the Koryaks lasted at least 120 years. Moreover, in this confrontation, Russia almost completely lost its allies - the Yugokars. There were many such conflicts, only that they had a good end and the world was for the benefit of all! Therefore, it is not customary to recall the past and stir up the forgotten.
          Although I will give you one example from the distant past. During the expansion to the east, the Russians pressed the Kuchumov Tatars so tightly that after 150 years Tatischev noted the following: The Bashkirs living in the upper reaches of the Ufimka River (Krasnoufimsky, Nizhneserginsky and Artinsky districts of the Sverdlovsk region), although they are called Bashkirs, are essentially Tatars, but they are called Tatars! And this will be repeated a century and a half after Yermak's campaign! Only in the course of the Pugachev uprising did the Ural Tatars who supported Catherine in the mining documents become the Tatars, and not the "Ufa and Bardym Bashkirs". Although they paid for this rehabilitation with the fact that they were not given Cossack liberties, unlike the Bashkirs.
          1. +8
            3 December 2016 23: 13
            Quote: Kotischa
            On the Adyghe, Nogai and Chechen issues, the position of Russia was cruel, but just on the basis of your arguments, it’s your own fault

            No. There was no "Themselves to blame" but there was a simple struggle to ensure that merchants were not robbed and women and children were not driven away. And I don't see anything immoral here. And if the same Chechens and Circassians defended their right to robbery of Korovans and Russian slaves to the very end - who is to blame for this?
            Quote: Kotischa
            The confrontation between the Russian administration and the Chukchi with the Koryaks lasted at least 120 years

            Now let's concretize what this confrontation consisted of. What were they trying to force the Chukchi with koryats? Please answer the question, then let's go further
            1. +2
              4 December 2016 00: 35
              Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
              Now let's concretize what this confrontation consisted of.

              It began with the struggle for tributaries
              The first mention of the Chukchi in written sources dates back to 1641. due to the fact that in the Kolyma region they attacked the Russian collectors of yasak (to submit furs collected from the natives). It is worth noting that this was aggression by the Chukchi, at that time the Russians had not yet reached their territories.

              And the struggle for their territory and leadership in the region continued already ...
              Directly in Chukotka, Russian pioneers (Cossacks led by ataman Semen Dezhnev) appeared in 1648. In 1649, Dezhnev founded the winter hut in the upper reaches of Anadyr, on the site of which the Anadyr prison was built in 1652.
              The Chukchi and Russians did not immediately fall in love with each other and their meetings rarely ended peacefully. Attempts to force the Chukchi to pay yasak have been made repeatedly, but without much success. In general, among the peoples of the Far North, the Chukchi showed the Russians the most fierce resistance.
              1. +1
                4 December 2016 11: 24
                answered below
            2. 0
              4 December 2016 14: 33
              Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
              And if the same Chechens and Circassians up to the last asserted their right to rob rob Korovans and Russian slaves - who is to blame?

              Are you sure that only they defended it? let’s omit the question of caravans, many lived by their robberies, but the question is, where did the Chechens and Circassians suddenly seize Russian slaves from? How did the Russian settlements in those parts appear?
        2. +1
          4 December 2016 00: 27
          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          Just do not lie

          If you don’t know something, it doesn’t say that you are lying.
          Now this is not a problem, a lot of materials. Take and read about wars with the Chukchi, Yakuts, and other nations. And then look who is lying and who is simply not in the know
          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          Yakuts / Aleuts and other Khanty and Mansi have preferences that the title nation NEVER had. Until now - drive to the north to understand what is supposed to be local and what is Russian.

          You do not confuse the times of COLONIZATION and current times. Somehow determine the time of events.
          1. +3
            4 December 2016 11: 24
            Quote: svp67
            If you don’t know something, it doesn’t say that you are lying.

            Let's get it right. As I understand it, you can’t object to the Circassians and Chechens, we turn to the Chukchi
            Quote: svp67
            It began with the struggle for tributaries

            An interesting observation :) That's just a little hurt the eye of one piece of the article you cited
            Quote: svp67
            The first mention of the Chukchi in written sources dates back to 1641. due to the fact that in the Kolyma region they attacked the Russian collectors of yasak (to submit furs collected from the natives). It is worth noting that this was aggression by the Chukchi, at that time the Russians had not yet reached their territories.

            It seemed strange to me, so I read the full article. And it says there
            It should be noted that by this time the Chukchi were local expansionists and waged frequent wars against neighboring peoples. It was Chukosti lawlessness that led the Koryaks, Itelmens and Yukagirs to accept Russian citizenship with joy and relief and went with the Russians on campaigns in the Chukchi.

            So the image of the unfortunate and oppressed by the evil Russian colonialists somehow fades, but instead we see some kind of force that specifically oppressed the tribes around them, and which the Russian settlers pressed on the wort and covered up those suffering from the Chukchi nationality.
            Quote: svp67
            And then look who is lying and who is simply not in the know

            How can I tell you? You take an article, rip out a fragment from it that somehow confirms your point of view and calmly ignore everything else. Don't like the term "lying"? Well, I will say about you: "deliberately misleads the opponent by distorting the facts." That's better?
            1. 0
              4 December 2016 13: 53
              Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
              So the image of the unfortunate and oppressed by the evil Russian colonialists somehow fades, but instead we see some kind of force that specifically oppressed the tribes around them, and which the Russian settlers pressed on the wort and covered up those suffering from the Chukchi nationality.

              And you at least measure the distance from the Ural Mountains to the places where these events took place, measure and compare how much our ancestors had to go through and how many Chukchi. That our ancestors, that the ancestors of modern Chukchi went to expand their interests. Our ancestors were stronger and could offer more for development, that's all.
              Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
              Don't like the term "lying"? Well, I will say about you: "deliberately misleads the opponent by distorting the facts." That's better?

              No, it is you pulling out from the article something that goes into your idea and trying to prove it. And everything else you just do not care, as it does not fit into it.
              Then we pose the question differently. Did our Cossacks subordinate those peoples to the Russian Tsar? If so, why did they do it?
        3. +5
          4 December 2016 05: 39
          Under the Soviet regime, 14 small peoples in the Far East did not have income taxes, fees for children in institutions, and privileges for entering the institute --- privileges and training. Perhaps there were some more ... It seems to be for the court?
      2. Alf
        +9
        3 December 2016 23: 04
        Quote: svp67
        Another thing is that those who obeyed created all normal conditions for development under the laws of the Empire.

        Here are the golden words! The difference between the Russian Empire and the Japanese or Chinese Empire, among other things, is that for the Republic of Ingushetia all subjects were equal (although there were excesses), and for the nuclear weapons or KI, if you are not Japanese or Chinese, then you are no worse than cattle.
        1. +7
          3 December 2016 23: 14
          Quote: Alf
          The difference between the Russian Empire and the Japanese or Chinese, among other things, is that for the Republic of Ingushetia all subjects were equal

          It would be fine if they are equal. Otherwise, the "newcomers" turned out to be much "equal" to the titular nation ... this has never happened anywhere else
          1. +5
            4 December 2016 00: 50
            Those who compare the Japanese / Koreans conflict with the Russians / Bashkirs, Russians / Chechens or Russians / Chukchi conflicts forget that Japan, Korea and Russia were represented by their states in the conflicts, and the Bashkirs, Chechens and Chukchi were just tribes in Russia .

            Therefore, Japan in the interstate conflict has always acted as an aggressor, and Russia in domestic conflicts as the law enforcement officer, forcing bloodthirsty savages on its territory to civilization.
          2. Cat
            +4
            4 December 2016 06: 59
            Andre You wondered how many times the Bashkirs (Volkogolovye) besieged your hometown or burned neighboring Chebarkul to the ground?
            Look at the map of the Chelyabinsk region and ask yourself why there is such a wonderful "zagigulina" on the western border with Bashkiria?
            And the last one who lives in the villages of Shamakha, Aroslanovo and others. Nyaz-Petrovsky and Verkhne-Ufaleysky districts? Pay special attention to the founding dates of the settlements of the north of your native region!
            Repeatedly the Bashkirs drove into the fortress of Yekaterinburg, Klinovaya, Chelyabinsk and Chebarkul the last fortress was burned several times! Yes, a fortress, why? Moreover, Yekaterinburg and Chelyabinsk had the status of fortress factories! And until the mid-19th century, garrison teams stood in them, and they built them. The response to the attacks of the Bashkirs and Tatars? The government’s reaction was tough, the date of the founding of settlements is the restoration of villages after punitive expeditions. Finally reconciled at the end of the 18th century, after the Bashkirs were the highest command of Catherine granted the status of the Cossack army.
            Now where are the Tatars from? In the north of the Chelyabinsk region and the south of the Sverdlovsk region runs the natural border of the Siberian Khanate. From the north, in the forest area, Khan Kuchum granted land to his nukers to protect the border. Moreover, the Tatars led a sedentary lifestyle, unlike the Bashkirs. Until 1738, the Tatars participated in all the exile of the Bashkirs. The last event when they burned together a Russian village in the territory of future Upper Earrings. In the future, the Tatars did not participate in the raids, they tried to put up. But at the same time they carefully concealed that they were Tatars, not Bashkirs. What is it for?
            Concerning preferences for small nations! The Sverdlovsk and Tyumen regions are the fiefdoms of the Vaguls and Ostyaks, of which 18 families remained on the territory of the former according to the census! You will say that I have a guilt complex. I will answer yes! I live in the mountains where tomponymy screams about ancient Bulgarians, Turks, Fino-Ugrians, but the latter are not. Assimilated went to the north. I believe that Russia is a multinational country and I am jarred by the title of the titular nation. Pivotal yes, the title "Russian" was never a "title" it was a burden. The Russian peasant, Cossack, and merchant were a reflection of the power of the White Tsar beyond the Urals. And this "face" corresponded, and if there were excesses, as without them. The Bashkir took a saber, mounted a horse and went into exile .........
            1. +2
              4 December 2016 11: 27
              Quote: Kotischa
              Andre You wondered how many times the Bashkirs (Volkogolovye) besieged your hometown or burned neighboring Chebarkul to the ground?

              Sorry, I did not understand. Do I argue? :)
              1. +1
                4 December 2016 13: 57
                Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                Sorry, I did not understand. Do I argue? :)

                No, you simply do not want to see that the path of Russia's development to the East was also far from an idyll, that all peoples joined it voluntarily. In order for this to happen, one often had to prove one's strength. Russia was an empire and proved its case by force of arms too.
              2. Cat
                0
                4 December 2016 15: 24
                Unfortunately, Andrei was just building factories-fortresses in Chelyabinsk and Yekaterinburg and others. Fortresses and factories on the lands of the Bashkirs without their consent was one of the "excesses" when it was Russia that violated the vassalage agreement. That cost almost 200 years of fermentation in the Bashkir steppes. Moreover, both sides did not always behave beautifully!
      3. +2
        4 December 2016 04: 19
        Quote: svp67
        Quote: tinibar
        And the Russians marched to Alaska, and all the peoples who lived in the territories annexed to Russia lived well and developed ...

        Yes ... Well, unfortunately, we did not get around the sow ... and we strongly pressed the Nogais, Chechens, Circassians, Yakuts, Aleuts ... but who else. There are laws of the development of the Empire and they are ruthless to those who oppose them ... Another thing is that those who obeyed created all normal conditions for development under the laws of the Empire.

        What is the manner of the Jewish svp67 to lie and incite?
        You won’t pass a meter, so that you don’t throw mud at the Russians, or poison other nations ...
        "Did the Russians annihilate everyone and eat them with onions and butter?" and only you are poor and unfortunate, suffering from the time of the Pharaohs
        1. +2
          4 December 2016 07: 04
          Quote: Donhapa
          You won’t pass a meter, so that you don’t throw mud at the Russians, or poison other nations ...

          That is, you think that it is right to turn a blind eye to various aspects of the history of your country that do not fit into your well-organized and IDEOLOGICAL correct system in your head? Well then, do not be surprised that another revolution will occur in our country. History needs to know as much and fully as possible in order to be prepared not to repeat mistakes or, on the contrary, to be ready to repeat something. And to recognize it by the principle, I like it - I read it, but it doesn’t - then no, I'm sorry not for me.

          Quote: Donhapa
          What is the manner of the Jewish svp67 to lie and incite?

          The question is now for you. Where did I lie and pit peoples?
          1. +2
            4 December 2016 11: 29
            Quote: svp67
            History needs to know as much and fully as possible in order to be prepared not to repeat mistakes or, on the contrary, to be ready to repeat something. And to recognize it by the principle, I like it - I read it, but it doesn’t - then no, I'm sorry not for me.

            You managed to distort the essence of the article you quoted about the Chukchi. There is only one sense in the article, and you adjust it to your position.
            1. +1
              4 December 2016 13: 57
              Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
              You managed to distort the essence of the article you quoted about the Chukchi. There is only one sense in the article, and you adjust it to your position.

              Okay, what is the essence of that article in your opinion? Just that with regard to your Chelyabinsk, you agreed that the process of developing these territories did not always go peacefully, that for this you had to WAR with the peoples who previously inhabited them, that they had to lead to obedience to the laws of the Empire, to force them to abandon part of their inherent life, and here You declare that this is all lies and distortion of facts. What a lie then?
    2. +2
      3 December 2016 20: 36
      tinibar ...
      ... Here is such a civilized nation .... (Japanese)

      Civilized by whom?
      ... And about the Germans, who could have thought such a thing? ...

      Only those who are not familiar with them.
  5. +15
    3 December 2016 16: 10
    There is an assumption that cruelty against the enemy is caused by the interpretation of the Bushido military code: no mercy to the vanquished, captivity is worse than death, enemies should be exterminated so that they could not take revenge in the future.

    And what then can be about the Kuril Islands? Let them rejoice that the rest of the islands remained with them ..
    1. cap
      +13
      3 December 2016 16: 33
      Quote: Azim77
      There is an assumption that cruelty against the enemy is caused by the interpretation of the Bushido military code: no mercy to the vanquished, captivity is worse than death, enemies should be exterminated so that they could not take revenge in the future.

      And what then can be about the Kuril Islands? Let them rejoice that the rest of the islands remained with them ..


      The islands went to the Americans, and now belong too.
      The whole situation with the islands, in my opinion, was inspired by the Americans in order to close our fleet in the Sea of ​​Okhotsk.
      To give anything to the Japanese, I consider the height of cynicism for our ancestors to have laid down their lives in the name of Victory. Let trample on their islands that they deserve it and get it. As a nation that lost the war, let them make hara-kiri according to the code of samurai.
      1. +3
        3 December 2016 20: 10
        Many did by the way. But what if they increased their military budget against us. And by the way there are more than Russian
        1. 0
          3 December 2016 21: 09
          Quote: Kenneth
          ... Many people did by the way ... (hara-kiri)

          But not all. Remained asigaru.
          Let us then discuss them.
  6. +16
    3 December 2016 16: 14
    The war showed who it was worth ... How many more Americans would have fumbled if our army had not defeated the Kwantung Army? And what kind of warriors are the French and the British, the period of hostilities in the 39-40s showed, especially when they quickly flew into Dunkirk ... And the Japanese could effectively fight only with a weak enemy and civilian population.
  7. +16
    3 December 2016 16: 14
    There is not and cannot be any "code of honor for the samurai", there are only the rules of the savages.
    1. Cat
      +5
      3 December 2016 22: 29
      They have codes, we have charters.
      Borrowing military traditions is a normal occurrence - for example, giving military greetings (honor) in the Russian army has existed for less than 200 years, and in Europe has existed since knightly times. But for some reason, Russia has not taken root in the tradition of cutting civilians into a dispute! We are horrified to read the description of the campaign of the Rus to Byzantium, we justify ourselves that we were at the beginning of the road, pagans, barbarians. And with the adoption of Orthodoxy, we have changed! In Japan, our peace was perceived as weakness. Only Haken-Gol and Hassan put the samurai in place, and in 1945 who the hell was that!
  8. +5
    3 December 2016 16: 15
    Quote: Kenneth
    Arigato. It is clear to anyone who has seriously taken up Japanese BI that they are carriers of a culture completely alien to us. But by the way, what does the author say about the more than correct attitude towards our prisoners in the Russian-Japanese war

    Examples in the studio!
    1. cap
      +3
      3 December 2016 16: 50
      Quote: esaul1950
      Quote: Kenneth
      Arigato. It is clear to anyone who has seriously taken up Japanese BI that they are carriers of a culture completely alien to us. But by the way, what does the author say about the more than correct attitude towards our prisoners in the Russian-Japanese war

      Examples in the studio!


      Please an example.
      Japan. Hokkaido. Toyama Port. Morning. A private liquor store.
      "-Konichiva! (Hello)
      - Oh hayo, it’s a good deal! (good afternoon)
      - Soren des ka? (are you russian?)
      - Hai! Soren des! (Yes)
      Further in Russian the owner speaks:
      - I was in a camp in Russia in Siberia, I know Russian
      -What do you want?
      -Beer drink a father
      - take in the refrigerator.
      When calculated, I put two cups of plastic similar to sour cream.
      It turned out a present. Sake. With a comment:
      - this is what the Russians say "hangover"
      After that, he said that he was happy that he had served in the camp, and was not shot by our soldiers who captured him.
      And he drank with us "For Victory!". He did not take money for the "hangover" laughing
      1. +6
        3 December 2016 17: 09
        Kep, is this an example of the attitude towards our prisoners in the Russo-Japanese war?
        1. cap
          +6
          3 December 2016 17: 26
          Quote: Caretaker
          Kep, is this an example of the attitude towards our prisoners in the Russo-Japanese war?

          The Japanese judged by himself.
          The Japanese did not particularly favor those who were captured, including ours, who knows what sins were behind him. As for the attitude to prisoners in general, and to our prisoners of war, there is the Internet. You can read it if you are very interested. Personally, I had to live in a house built by captured Germans. Many later returned to Germany, as older people told me. On the branch, a little higher I am expressed his opinion, nothing should be given, because "the road to hell is paved with good intentions."
          1. cap
            +10
            3 December 2016 17: 47
            Quote: cap
            On the branch, a little higher, I expressed my opinion, nothing should be given, because "the road to hell is paved with good intentions."


            By the way, in the light of the latest statements made at the meeting of the Japanese minister with Lavrov, mention was made of 1956 for which allegedly "they wanted to decide something." It looks like they will come to something. So,
            from where I live to the islands not far, just "bast" on the map.
            Only the military can get there now without any problems. Only desperate people can move there. If the Japanese get into it with any sauce, I’m sure the Russian person will be simply unsafe there.
            This is my personal opinion.
            1. +2
              3 December 2016 19: 07
              Quote: cap
              This is my personal opinion

              kep, sorry for the stupid question, do you accidentally have a surname "Obvious"?
          2. +6
            3 December 2016 23: 36
            well, it should not be given, therefore, but because as long as they put up with their bases, giving them anything means stupidly transmitting it directly to the Americans. And we certainly do not owe anything to the Americans.
            this is how they go home (what a Japanese word)) - and ... we’ll come up with some other pretext.
    2. 0
      3 December 2016 20: 15
      The internet will help you.
  9. +6
    3 December 2016 16: 17
    Especially surprising are people who condemn the nuclear bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
    1. +9
      3 December 2016 16: 40
      If nuclear bombings are condemned, then as an unacceptable weapon for all countries.
      But excessive worship of an alien culture and mentality is incomprehensible and does not lead to anything good. Especially if it is cruelty.
      Also, someone is fascinated by fascism, but not explicitly.
      1. 0
        3 December 2016 19: 38
        You first decide whether nuclear weapons are an unacceptable or acceptable weapon for the Russian Federation, and only then issue the phrase "for all countries" on the mountain.

        Someone is interested in liberalism, but not explicitly.
      2. Alf
        +5
        3 December 2016 23: 09
        Quote: Reptiloid
        If nuclear bombings are condemned, then as an unacceptable weapon for all countries.

        Japan’s nuclear bombings are condemned for the reason that there were no MILITARY reasons, but only political ones.
    2. +6
      3 December 2016 17: 05
      During the aforementioned bombing, not the military, but civilians were destroyed. The military were in shelters and were not injured.
      1. +2
        3 December 2016 17: 34
        The East is a delicate matter, for many Asian countries Europeans are alien representatives. At least how many times Europeans will study their customs. On the fingers count the exceptions.

        But it's not about Muslims
      2. +2
        3 December 2016 19: 51
        As a result of the nuclear bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the mobilization resource that the Hirohito government planned to use in the event of an Allied landing was destroyed.

        In practice, the Japanese were shown a method of remote contactless destruction of their armed forces and a militia with zero losses for the Allies.

        At the same time, it was a well-deserved punishment for the Japanese atrocities in Korea, South Sakhalin, China and Southeast Asia during the first half of the 20 century.

        Anyone who thinks otherwise is a liberal and cosmopolitan.
        1. +3
          3 December 2016 20: 28
          And who thinks so that he is a beast and an eater
          1. +2
            3 December 2016 21: 22
            Operator ---- "" valid, invalid ..
            .. "" On August 6 every year, a representative of the Russian government speaks (writes) about these bombings, regretting it. Earlier, under the USSR, they were judged --- as the encyclopedia says. Give an example where they are not judged. Then you will be like those Japanese who hunted people in the jungle, because civilized people are only Japanese, and everyone else is animals. And they eat animals.

            But the Japanese themselves treated the victims of the bombing strangely ----- pretended to be gone. Japanese writer ??? wrote
            1. +1
              4 December 2016 01: 00
              The USSR / Russia condemned / condemns the nuclear bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki for only one reason - as a means of moral pressure on a potential enemy (USA).

              As soon as we cease to be adversaries, we will support the US position on nuclear bombing.
              1. 0
                4 December 2016 05: 45
                And while this did not happen, you should not vang, because you know, a hundred if my grandmother had what ?, she would become a grandfather.
                1. 0
                  4 December 2016 14: 38
                  "Don't tell me what to do, and I won't tell you where to go" (C)
              2. 0
                4 December 2016 18: 49
                Quote: Operator
                The USSR / Russia condemned / condemns the nuclear bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki for only one reason - as a means of moral pressure on a potential enemy (USA).

                As soon as we cease to be adversaries, we will support the US position on nuclear bombing.
                ---- ?????????
                And when will we cease to be opponents? Some liberal fantasies a la Gorbachev and Yeltsin, you did not know that they were already. propagandized. Somehow you dreamed and persist. "" Let's support the US position "" ABALDET !!!!!
        2. Alf
          +1
          3 December 2016 23: 12
          Quote: Operator
          In practice, the Japanese were shown a method of remote contactless destruction of their armed forces and a militia with zero losses for the Allies.

          Not true. Raids B-29 inflicted no less destruction and human losses, and there were only a few B-29s shot down. Remember the "firestorm" when the 29th was bombed not with rockets, but with lighters, knowing full well what material Japanese houses were made of.
          1. 0
            4 December 2016 00: 54
            The situation itself had a shocking effect on the Japanese: one plane - one destroyed city.
        3. +2
          28 March 2017 22: 26
          what nonsense did you write. Overpopulated Japan never, unlike Germany, had problems with the mobilization resource. It was mostly civilians who suffered, not troops. It was to thrash civilians in order to disrupt the government (and to a greater extent not the Japanese, but the Soviet one) and is the hallmark of liberals and cosmopolitans of the West, in Hiroshima, in Dresden. The Russians fought with soldiers, and not with women and children sitting in cardboard houses. And for the Japanese state, the loss of the Kwantung army is a much greater catastrophe than several tens of thousands of women, children and old people burnt alive.
          1. 0
            28 March 2017 23: 05
            In the 1945 year, an assault on the Japanese islands was planned, the Japanese formed a militia in response, bombing was aimed at reducing the number of militias.
            1. +2
              28 March 2017 23: 48
              that is, the six millionth army is sideways, it doesn’t have to be reduced. You need to start with a potential militia. If there are only two ready-made atomic bombs in the arsenal, and by the end of 1945 it is possible to manufacture a couple more pieces. Right at the top of the art of war. To reduce the country's population by a hundredth of a percent, without affecting the regular army. After such impressive military results, you can begin the landing operation? Even American generals did not believe in such nonsense, assessing the possible landing possible by 1952 and the loss of a million people even with bombs.
              No one doubted that this atrocity was a performance for only one spectator-comrade Stalin. What Churchill directly hinted to Comrade Stalin at a personal meeting
              1. 0
                29 March 2017 00: 04
                The regular Japanese army was reduced in 1945 in Manchuria, Korea, China, Indochina and the Philippines.

                I did not understand your thesis about the "hundredth of a percent": is this - a hint that the samurai crap completely after losing this hundredth and ran to surrender to race?
                1. +1
                  29 March 2017 12: 24
                  They ran to surrender when they lost the millionth Kwantung army in less than a month. We captured 800 thousand samurai who were shamefully surrendered. They lost 9800 people dead. It’s not the cardboard houses of children that were burned, but the work of a perfect Soviet military machine
                  1. 0
                    29 March 2017 12: 36
                    The Soviet military machine in Manchuria stalled after reaching the second line of defense of the Japanese (unknown to the Red Army) and only started moving again after the radiogram of the Japanese emperor to the command of the Kwantung Army to accept surrender conditions and withdraw Japanese troops to the rear.

                    The emperor agreed with the opinion of his military about the senselessness of the defense of the Japanese islands in the context of the use of weapons of mass destruction (in any situation for the USA, USSR and Britain, there would be no Japanese left in Japan).

                    Of course, the Red Army would have broken through the second line of defense of the Kwantung Army, but for a longer time and with great losses.
                    1. 0
                      13 November 2017 14: 59
                      Well, the 2nd line. Where are the Chinese written off from the accounts of history? Kuomintang, where did it disappear? Yes, and "allies" from the south of China moved at the very least.
    3. +2
      4 December 2016 18: 56
      No need to smack nonsense. Not the sadists, who were mostly on the front lines, but ordinary fishermen, office workers, and workers died from the bombing.
      1. 0
        4 December 2016 19: 30
        Pў.Pµ. РѕРїРѕР »С З РµРЅС † С‹.
        1. +1
          29 March 2017 12: 24
          potential militias not real
  10. +7
    3 December 2016 16: 26
    Even reading was scary. And what was the survivor of these horrors ???
  11. +10
    3 December 2016 16: 44
    A little about the servants of these cannibals.
    ... General L. F. Vlasyevsky: “Semenov is a man without certain political convictions, a political dreamer with great adventurous inclinations, but by no means a man of real politics” [24]. General A. P. Baksheev: “Semenov had more enemies than friends. He made a lot of mistakes on an almost national scale. But we could not oppose him, we would be accused of treason in Japan, which would not support anyone except Semenov. After the 2nd Emigrant Congress, the head of the Japanese military mission in Harbin gave a banquet in honor of Semyonov, which showed the Japanese view of Semyonov as the head of emigration ”[25].
    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%B5%D0%BC%
    D1%91%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2,_%D0%93%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B3
    %D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%9C%D0%B8%D1%85%D0%B0
    %D0%B9%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87

    A little about Kolchak, whose board was recently hung in St. Petersburg
    1. +10
      3 December 2016 17: 04
      Thanks Leonid for your comment. It should be sent to those who installed a filthy board in St. Petersburg Kolchak. I have the honor.
      1. +2
        3 December 2016 18: 30
        Quote: midshipman
        It should be sent to those who installed a filthy board in St. Petersburg Kolchak. I have the honor.

        We are strange people so excited about this board in honor of the Russian officer and polar explorer Kolchak

        But for some reason we do not notice this established in 2008 in Moscow

        This, in Irkutsk

        This in Vladivostok

        This in Yekaterinburg

        Peter again


        Don’t you find it strange?
        1. +1
          3 December 2016 18: 34
          Okay, these are boards, but what about this?
          - Irkutsk

          - Omsk
        2. +2
          3 December 2016 18: 49
          ... Strange people, we are so excited because of this board ...

          So the Leningraders got excited! Others don't care. No offense.
          Perhaps we do not know, and there were protesters in these cities too, but they were "extinguished", which is easier in a small town.
    2. 0
      3 December 2016 20: 24
      In the Russian-Japanese war, Kolchak sank a Japanese cruiser
      1. Alf
        +2
        3 December 2016 23: 14
        Quote: Kenneth
        In the Russian-Japanese war, Kolchak sank a Japanese cruiser

        Which one ? The name on the barrel.
        1. 0
          3 December 2016 23: 30
          Quote: Alf
          The name on the barrel.

          IJN Takasago. On the night of November 29-30, he was blown up by mines placed by Kolchak.
  12. +13
    3 December 2016 16: 46
    and Grandfather has Grandmother too, and I'm glad that the two are saturated with modern technology
    1. +4
      3 December 2016 17: 47
      This medal deserves a bow and very much so.
  13. +4
    3 December 2016 16: 56
    Almost instant the transition (in one generation) from feudalism to capitalism (the Meiji era / Meiji Jidai /) was not accompanied by a corresponding transition mentality, therefore, the result is quite expected.
    1. +2
      3 December 2016 17: 39
      But do they really want to change their mentality.? Their traditions, originality are important for them. True, under the influence of the Americans, some changes seem to be taking place.
  14. +3
    3 December 2016 17: 44
    Cruel education --- sophisticated torture --- conquest of foreign lands (your own little one) --- strict lifestyle and, against this background, a great love of art. Yes, the Pacific Ocean, with its vagaries, a seismic zone. All this gave birth to this people. Where their ancestors came from there is another question. There is clearly no explanation. Roughly speaking, they are refugees and immigrants from Asia, China, and even Korea. This is what Japanese is.
    1. +2
      3 December 2016 18: 19
      Quote: bald
      and against this background, a great love of art.

  15. +2
    3 December 2016 18: 14
    The author clearly gives "parting words" to the ongoing negotiations with the arrogant descendants of Amaterasu ...
  16. +5
    3 December 2016 18: 16
    Quote: midshipman
    Thanks Leonid for your comment. It should be sent to those who installed a filthy board in St. Petersburg Kolchak. I have the honor.

    And who among the major historical figures did not have good deeds and erroneous deeds for the country? Name at least one Kolchak AI, an early lieutenant — took part in the Arctic expedition to find Sannikov’s land and distinguished himself by the hydrographic work of the North Seas — relevant and today, Semenov, being a small Transbaikal ataman, took an indirect part in the expulsion of Chinese troops from Inner Mongolia- (modern Mongolia) But this in no way justifies their further deeds And in general, the atrocities in the Civil were more than enough on all sides, both red and white and green and all the others. The brother went against the brother of Pioneer Pavlik Morozov, his own grandfather killed Pavlik handed over the father’s Cheka who didn’t fully take the food tax from his fellow villagers So let's take a careful approach to this issue and not hang labels and hallmarks left and right
    1. +5
      3 December 2016 18: 39
      Not only Pavlik but also his younger brother. Not a father, but an uncle. Uncle was illiterate and demanded that Pavlik write linden. Was Pavlik supposed to take the blame upon interrogation?
      Are you sure that the death of citizens from starvation is not a good reason for the surplus apportionment, which. By the way, introduced Nicholas II?
    2. +1
      3 December 2016 21: 00
      Dear Evgen, Pavlik was shot dead by an employee of the NKVD. Look at the name of the grandfather, then you will understand a lot. This grandfather will never kill a grandson. I was in those parts. I have the honor.
  17. +1
    3 December 2016 18: 45
    Quote: Caretaker
    Not only Pavlik but also his younger brother. Not a father, but an uncle. Uncle was illiterate and demanded that Pavlik write linden. Was Pavlik supposed to take the blame upon interrogation?
    Are you sure that the death of citizens from starvation is not a good reason for the surplus apportionment, which. By the way, introduced Nicholas II?

    But not at all costs And do not provoke the Tambov and Kolyvan uprisings By the way, my distant relatives took part in the Kolyvan uprising, as on the side of those whom the surplus appropriation made beggars from the well-to-do, so on the other side And everyone had their own truth
  18. +14
    3 December 2016 19: 01
    Honestly, I do not understand all this shaft of angry comments.
    Why are we shocked by the crimes of German fascism? For one simple reason - there are certain cultural and moral values ​​that are common to the peoples of Europe, and for us too. These values ​​have long been reflected in the rules of warfare - fighting the military, it is not good to kill civilians (well ... unless for the triumph of democracy wassat ) to kill prisoners is not good, but death must be humane, i.e. since enemy soldiers need to be killed, then you should try to inflict a minimum of suffering - all kinds of torture, intestines out, burning alive, etc. immoral and unacceptable.
    Generally speaking, the Germans are the European people and everyone knows this. Nevertheless, during the WWII period they did something that completely contradicts European morality and, on the whole, on the other side of good and evil. For which, forever, for all future generations, German fascism has become the face of the devil on earth. Well, now, of course, some people are trying to bleach them, but you won’t wash off a black dog.
    In other words, the Germans knew very well what is good and what is bad, but they chose the dark side of power.
    But with the Japanese - it’s a completely different matter. I understand that this is difficult to understand, because morality has been injected into us from early childhood and we do not think outside ourselves - the more difficult it is for us to imagine that someone can live according to completely different morality than ours However, in the case of Asians, this is exactly the case.
    It is necessary to understand and accept that our ideas about what is Good and what is Evil do not coincide at all with how the same Japanese see it. We have our own culture, they have their own. They are really alien to us. Therefore, one cannot equate the SS man who pulls out gold teeth from the "Untermenshees" who have just been killed in the gas chamber and the Japanese who winds the guts of a Korean on the blade of his beloved katana. The SS man knows that from the point of view of the European society in which he lives, his actions are unforgivable (although he came up with an excuse for himself). But the Japanese does nothing reprehensible about what his mother taught him.
    In order to change something in this world, you first need to UNDERSTAND why it happens. Well, the first thing you need to understand - "what is good and what is bad" of a European and an Asian are VERY different. We are not just different, we are VERY DIFFERENT people. Therefore, we cannot give the same assessment of the actions of the Japanese and the Germans. Simply because the former acted in full accordance with their existing morality, and the latter violated its commandments.
    Another aspect is important here - no forgiveness! We are people. We have OUR view of what is good and what is bad. And we should not allow anyone to act with us contrary to our morality. We established for ourselves what is Evil and what is Good, and we decided that Good must win, and for this Good must be with fists. And whose Good (European or Asian) has more fists - that one is Good and Kinder. We should not let the same Japanese play football with the heads of the Chinese simply because "they have such a culture and we must respect it" No! This is how the path begins to respect the rights of drug addicts, terrorists, and so on ... If someone does something that runs counter to our morality, then we must explain the depth of delusion by all available methods (this is how the barmaleevs in Syria are now VKS mind-mind is taught) and period.
    Here, however, someone can object, but how then will we differ from the United States, which, with their aircraft carriers and the triumph of democracy, a stopper in every barrel?
    But nothing. It’s just the morality that we plant is a little different. More correct - in our opinion. And here, alas, everything is very simple. What is morality? This is a social contract designed to make society the most effective. And sooner or later, the most efficient society will be able to impose its morality on the rest - ultimately making humanity more effective than it was before ...
    But what will we become for the same Japanese? Imagine that they turned out to be stronger, came to us and began to teach us what to kill in a particularly sophisticated way and eat enemies - this is it ... Scary? Well, imagine what we look like for the Japanese ... But that we were stronger. And it is we who teach them morality, and not they - us.
    In general, read Heinlein ...
    1. +2
      3 December 2016 19: 24
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      ... Here another aspect is important - no forgiveness! We are the people. We have OUR view of what is good and what is bad. And we should not allow anyone to act with us contrary to our morality. We have established for ourselves what is Evil and what is Good, and we decided that Good should win, and for this, Good should be with fists ...

      Moreover, in all world religions, Good and Evil have the same or very similar definitions.
      1. +2
        3 December 2016 19: 30
        Quote: Caretaker
        Moreover, in all world religions, Good and Evil have the same or very similar definitions.

        Nope :) Well, compare the European knight without fear and reproach, who prefers death than defile the mouth with a lie, with a Japanese samurai, for whom the deception of the enemy is a virtue
        1. +3
          3 December 2016 20: 58
          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          Nope :) Well, compare the European knight without fear and reproach, who prefers death than defile the mouth with a lie, with a Japanese samurai, for whom the deception of the enemy is a virtue

          World religions - Christianity, Islam, Buddhism.
          And the knights who ruined Constantinople can hardly be attributed to those who "without fear and reproach."
          1. +2
            3 December 2016 22: 43
            Quote: Caretaker
            World religions - Christianity, Islam, Buddhism.

            Which one do the Japanese profess? :)))
            Quote: Caretaker
            And the knights who ruined Constantinople can hardly be attributed to those who "without fear and reproach."

            Let's not confuse legends, epics, morality and its practical implementation on the battlefield :)))
            1. 0
              4 December 2016 10: 04
              Andrei from Chelyabinsk
              World religions - Christianity, Islam, Buddhism.

              Which one do the Japanese profess? :)))

              Some profess Buddhism, but most Shinto.
              1. 0
                4 December 2016 11: 33
                Quote: Caretaker
                Some profess Buddhism, but most Shinto

                I completely agree. But Shintoism is quite fundamentally different from Christianity, don’t you?
                1. 0
                  4 December 2016 11: 55
                  In my opinion, we affirm the same thing.
                  We do not want any land,
                  But we won’t give up our tip ...

                  This also applies to ideology.
                  1. 0
                    4 December 2016 14: 43
                    The Japanese are great originals - most of them simultaneously profess local Shintoism (the deification of natural objects) and Buddhism that came from the continent (the teachings of the Indian preacher - Raja Siddhartha Gautama, nicknamed Buddha Shakyamuni).
                2. -1
                  14 February 2018 02: 09
                  Muslims do not see anything wrong with deceiving the infidels, or not very faithful.
                  Also, if not worse, separately about the attitude of Jews towards the gentiles.
        2. +1
          3 December 2016 21: 09
          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          European knight without fear and reproach, who prefers death, than defile the mouth with a lie

          You are confusing legends and real life.
          1. +1
            3 December 2016 22: 41
            Quote: Dart2027
            You confuse legends and real life

            I don’t confuse anything, because I’m talking specifically about legends
    2. +4
      3 December 2016 19: 37
      Andrei doesn’t agree with you in everything, though I didn’t think up the idea, I can think of it gradually. I like Heinlein, like other science fiction writers. There were times I read Japanese Akutagawa, Konzaburo Oe ... about poetry ... about netsuke, about Fuji engravings, schools, genres ...... Cannibalism is not mentioned anywhere. This is not the norm of their life, but there seems to be some belief that the Japanese are above all, that everyone else ----- is nothing compared to his needs Or whims. Nobody matters except the Japanese .... Something like that ....
      1. +2
        3 December 2016 19: 59
        Quote: Reptiloid
        Andrei doesn’t agree with you on everything, though I didn’t think up the idea to the end, I can gradually think up

        I would be glad if you share :) I always enjoy a discussion with a thinking person. I could be wrong too.
        Quote: Reptiloid
        Cannibalism is not mentioned anywhere

        It's right. Unlike Maori, the Japanese did not seem to have permission to eat, but the difficulty here is that they do not have such a ban. For a European, the idea is a rational being unacceptable, but within the framework of Japanese philosophy, this is not encouraged but not prohibited.
    3. +5
      3 December 2016 20: 28
      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
      Why are we shocked by the crimes of German fascism?

      Who is shocked? Racism lies at the very foundation of Protestant-bourgeois civilization. This, excuse me, is commonplace. Civil society theorist Locke invested in the slave trade. Indian genocide, slave trafficking, monstrous crimes in the colonies are well known.
      The genocide of the "lower nations" by the fascists is no different from this. And it does not stand out against the general background. Only representatives of non-European cultures, for example, Russians, and even the most naive among Russians, can shock the actions of the fascists.
      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
      For one simple reason - there are certain cultural and moral values ​​that are common to the peoples of Europe, and for us too.

      The culture of Catholic Europe is very different from Protestant even now (although the latter, of course, dominates). Eastern Europeans are already inferior to the rest ..
      Well, for the West, Russians are barbarians (this is not a curse word, but an exact definition).
      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
      it’s not good to kill civilians (well ... unless for the triumph of democracy

      In the ironic ending of your thesis, you yourself admit that something is wrong with your logic. When did civilian lives worry Europeans and Americans? In Hiroshima? in Khatyn? Now in Syria?
      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
      Nevertheless, during the WWII period they did something that completely contradicts European morality and, on the whole, on the other side of good and evil.

      It fully complies with European morality and, moreover, it follows from it. That has never been denied by the Europeans themselves. Please read European philosophers, for example, the Dialectic of the Enlightenment of Adorno and Horkmaer.
      The fascists were made a fiend of hell only because they touched the Jews, and the American-Jewish version of imperialism won.
      The mass genocide of Russians is of no interest to anyone and nobody cares; it is mentioned only in passing and with the obligatory addition that the Russians then came, raped all German women and established "totalitarianism."
      With the rest of your theses a bit later.
      1. +2
        3 December 2016 21: 27
        The Russians are the native Europeans, the only remaining autochonts of the subcontinent (the Illyrians are completely assimilated by the Slavs and Celts).

        Slavs and Celts did not practice slavery. The latter is the invention of Asians - Semites, who colonized the Peloponnesian and Apennine peninsulas.

        The Jews of the Mediterranean and Black Sea regions actively participated in the slave trade of Slave Slaves captured by the Khazars, Polovtsy and Tatar-Mongols.

        The organizers of the African mass slave trade in the 17-19 centuries were British Jews whose ideology was Judaism based on racism - the division of people into a God-chosen nation and gentiles.

        British Jews financed the so-called. "three flights":
        - The first flight from Europe to Africa to import beads, hardware and other tinsel;
        - The second flight from Africa to South and North America for the importation of slaves;
        - The third flight from South and North America to Europe to export gold, silver and colonial goods received as payment for slaves.

        The Anglo-Saxons for a long time neglected the Russians, calling them White Asians. But after implementing the concept of a melting pot in the United States and the migration of the inhabitants of the West Indies, India and Pakistan to Britain, the Anglo-Saxons recognized the loss of their racial frequency (a similar erosion occurred in France and Germany due to the migration of Semites from Africa and Turkey).

        Therefore, at the moment, Russians are considered one of the standards of the white race (along with the Scandinavians), including taking into account the latest studies of the genome of Europeans, who found the Mongol haplogroup C at the level of 1-2 percent in Russians, which is a fraction of the 5-10 percent of African and Asian haplogroups in the genome of Western Europeans.

        So now Germans dream of being raped by Russians, not Arabs laughing
        1. +2
          4 December 2016 00: 49
          "Therefore, at the moment the Russians are considered one of the standards of the white race" ////

          It’s more and more interesting to read your posts every day. For me it is ... how to look into the world of aliens, approximately. recourse
          1. +2
            4 December 2016 01: 20
            There is nothing strange about it - you are an Asian with the appropriate mentality bully
            1. +2
              4 December 2016 01: 53
              I would probably take that as a compliment. Something does not attract me to be a "standard" ...
        2. +1
          4 December 2016 02: 05
          The first Europeans to buy slaves and start the transcontinental slave trade were the Dutch. In general, the African labor industry is the patrimony of the Arabs who traded with might and main with black Africa for a very, very long time.
          1. +1
            4 December 2016 14: 48
            Traders of African slaves with colonies in South and then North America came from many European countries, but the financiers (owners of working capital and the main beneficiaries) were British Jews, some of whom moved to the colonies.

            The slave trade was a process of initial capital formation for Jewish bankers.
        3. +1
          4 December 2016 04: 42
          Quote: Operator
          The Russians are the native Europeans, the only remaining autochonts of the subcontinent (the Illyrians are completely assimilated by the Slavs and Celts).

          Curious, but I'm not a specialist in comparative genetics. and I can’t say anything about this. However, what I write is related to cultural, not genetic or geographical factors.
          Quote: Operator
          The organizers of the African mass slave trade in the 17-19 centuries were British Jews whose ideology was Judaism based on racism - the division of people into a God-chosen nation and gentiles.

          Representation by the Jews of themselves as a chosen people and the absence of a ban on usury became the basis of their prosperity under capitalism, this is absolutely true.
          But Protestant morality is very similar, it is based on the idea that God did not die for all, but for the elect. And the criterion for election is wealth.
          Yet inferior peoples and savages must vacate their place for the "chosen ones."
          Therefore, in North America, the Indians were genocidal and robbed of their land. And in the South, Catholic Spaniards, although they robbed and killed, but then got married in Indian and Black women and formed new Latin American peoples.
          Even Catholics traded in slaves, and only the British and Dutch were on their way.
          Quote: Operator
          The Anglo-Saxons for a long time neglected the Russians, calling them White Asians

          It was on cultural grounds, genetically, they always recognized us as Europeans, which always caused them complexes. Like Europeans, but some are not like Europeans.
          Quote: Operator
          Therefore, at the moment, Russians are considered one of the standards of the white race (along with the Scandinavians)

          Perhaps I repeat I do not know this question.
          PS A personal note: when I go to a supermarket (in Moscow) on Saturdays, I have a feeling that I was in aul, and my blue-eyed blonde daughter was almost the only one among the general mass. Which, by the way, was completely absent USSR (with all declared internationalism).
          So I don’t know what we have there with a pure race. At least in the largest cities.
          1. 0
            4 December 2016 15: 47
            1. While segregation was maintained in the United States, the descendants of the Anglo-Saxons (most Protestants) looked down on the Russians. After the 1960's, mixed marriages with African and especially Hispanics began to spread among them. Therefore, the former Anglo-Saxon snobbery ceased to work.

            2. At present, in Russia, especially in Moscow, there are a lot of migrant workers (non-citizens) from Transcaucasia and Central Asia.

            3. There is a concept of genotype (what is the dominant haplogroup of the Y chromosome in most people of a cultural and linguistic community called people), and there is a concept of phenotype (which genes that are not related to the Y chromosome are more common in the same people). The genotype is determined by the male part of the cultural and linguistic community, the phenotype is determined by the female.

            Examples of genotypes and phenotypes

            The Aryan genotype and the European phenotype are Poles and Slovaks (60% R1a1), Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians (50% R1a1).
            The Illyrian genotype and European phenotype are Norwegians and Swedes (40% I1), Serbs, Croats and Slovenes (70% I2).
            Hamitic genotype and European phenotype - Greeks, Albanians, Bulgarians and Macedonians (30% E1).
            Aryan genotype and Semitic phenotype - Pashtuns and Tajiks (50% R1a1).
            Aryan genotype and Mongolian phenotype - Kyrgyz (55% R1a1), Tatars (35% R1a1).
            The Celtic genotype and the Mongolian phenotype are Turkmen (60% R1b1), Bashkirs (40% R1b1).
            The Celtic genotype and the African genotype are Cameroonian (75% R1b1).

            4. In addition to the genotype and phenotype, the cultural and historical community is directly affected by the process of cultural assimilation by the minority that has seized power in a particular country, for example:
            - The Rigvedian Arians assimilated India, the majority of the Hindu population speaks the Sanskrit dialect;
            - Avestan Arians assimilated the Persians (60% J2), the majority of the Semitic population speaks the Sanskrit dialect;
            - the Turks assimilated the inhabitants of the Anatolian Peninsula (40% J2), the majority of the Semitic population speaks the Turkic language;
            - Slavs assimilated the inhabitants of the Balkans (with the exception of the Greeks and Albanians), the majority of the Hamitic population speaks Slavic languages;
            - Slavs assimilated the inhabitants of the former Yugoslavia (with the exception of the Macedonians), the majority of the Illyrian population speaks Slavic languages;
            - the Celts assimilated the inhabitants of Scandinavia, the majority of the Illyrian population speaks Celtic languages.

            5. About the purity of the race.

            Genetic surveys of Russian citizens who identify themselves with the Russian people over the course of 15 years by different researchers gave the same result - 50 percent of Russians are carriers of the Aryan haplogroup R1a1, 20 percent are carriers of Illyrian haplogroups I1 and I2 percent NNXX nNX .
            Belarusians and Ukrainians have the same thing, and in the part of the Aryan haplogroup the set of its subclades (subgroups) also coincides.

            Moreover, in the territory of Southern Belarus, Northern Ukraine (Polesie, Chernobyl), Carpathian and the Central Black Earth region of the Russian Federation, carriers of subclades of Poles, Czechs, Slovaks, Serbs, Croats, Wends and other Slavs live, which determines the localization of the center for the formation of Slavs in the 1 millennium BC.
            1. +1
              5 December 2016 09: 04
              Little time, so briefly.
              Quote: Operator
              After the 1960s, mixed marriages with African and especially Hispanics began to spread among them. Therefore, the former Anglo-Saxon snobbery ceased to work.

              Looking at their propaganda, I do not notice any changes. As before, Russians are not civilized barbarians.
              Well, on an individual level, yes, there are changes. The victory of globalism with its international for the rich and the destruction of even Western nations scared their citizens.
              Quote: Operator
              At present, in Russia, especially in Moscow, there are a lot of migrant workers (non-citizens) from Transcaucasia and Central Asia.

              I’m saying that there is a clear tendency towards the replacement of the Russian population by newcomers, which, in the final analysis, cannot affect genetics. In fact, this is something like Europe-light.
              Quote: Operator
              3. There is a concept of genotype (what is the dominant haplogroup of the Y chromosome in most people of a cultural and linguistic community called people),

              Regarding sub-item, three thanks, interestingly, I will study.
      2. +2
        3 December 2016 23: 00
        Quote: Odyssey
        Who is shocked?

        Well here I am, for example.
        Quote: Odyssey
        Racism lies at the very core of Protestant-bourgeois civilization

        Nope. You do not spread the "white man's burden" throughout Europe. The British - yes, but this is a separate conversation and I would not mix continental European and English morality. In the end, it was the British who came up with the same concentration camps ...
        Quote: Odyssey
        The culture of Catholic Europe is very different from Protestant even now (although the latter, of course, dominates). Eastern Europeans are already inferior to the rest ..

        It does not matter. What matters is that the values ​​are common. It's just that some people consider themselves a little "more equal" than others. But the general moral is still the same
        Quote: Odyssey
        In the ironic ending of your thesis, you yourself admit that something is wrong with your logic

        All that. The only difference is that the powers that be in Europe have organized the right to act outside the framework of existing morality.
        You see, not a single European would agree to justify the bombing of Dresden. Well, they don’t know anything about her. The same thing with enclosing in Britain. So the British do not remember this eerie page of their history.
        The only question is that those in power (and they have never been moral) simply do not allow the demos to think about how many sins against the current morality the current position of Europeans is. And they are not too keen to figure it out on their own.
        Quote: Odyssey
        It fully complies with European morality and, moreover, it follows from it. What has never been denied by the Europeans themselves

        Sorry, the bullshit is complete. Nietzsche didn’t even come to that
        Quote: Odyssey
        The fascists were made a fiend of hell only because they touched the Jews, and the American-Jewish version of imperialism won.

        I love conspiracy theories, but there is a small nuance - the Nazis captured all of Europe, including France and Poland, and they broke the back of the USSR. Can you explain what the Jews have to do with it? :))))
        Quote: Odyssey
        The mass genocide of Russians is of no interest to anyone and nobody cares; it is mentioned only in passing and with the obligatory addition that the Russians then came, raped all German women and established "totalitarianism."

        He is interesting to us, and this is enough.
    4. +2
      3 December 2016 20: 56
      Heinlein is a definite plus, but in general I agree with you, only about the old militarist .... I read almost everything, and I think that his moral principles have changed a lot throughout my life, what do you recommend for others? Pysy: just interesting
      1. +1
        3 December 2016 23: 04
        Quote: 3x3zsave
        Pysy: just interesting

        "Star Rangers", (or "Starship Troopers) of course :)))) Heinlein is a good author, but he has one really serious (and I would even say great) book and I pointed it out above.
        I would include it in the school curriculum, chesslovo ...
        1. 0
          4 December 2016 05: 05
          Interesting opinion, I would stop at "The moon is hard laying" (the Moon is a harsh mistress) and "Star double"
    5. +2
      4 December 2016 02: 06
      "For one simple reason - there are some cultural, moral values ​​common to the peoples of Europe, and for us too" /////

      This sentence is the most important one in your post. Russians are a normal and ordinary European people. And Europe developed from Greek philosophy, 10 "old" testaments, Roman law and the gospel. And America is the same immigrant Europeans. Differences between European nations are small things compared to this basis. The proof is the ease with which, for example, the Germans dissolved among the Russians and the ease with which the Russians dissolve among the Americans. Two or three generations - and no cultural trace. Therefore, any attempts by Europeans (including Russians) to fence themselves off
      from each other, coming up with non-existent "uniqueness" are unproductive.
      1. +2
        4 December 2016 08: 05
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Therefore, any attempts by Europeans (including Russians) to isolate themselves
        from each other, coming up with non-existent "uniqueness" are unproductive.

        Excellent, and now apply this wonderful logic to yourself.
        Therefore, any attempts by Jews to isolate themselves from other Europeans by inventing non-existent uniqueness of the Jewish people are unproductive.
        Let's finally finally solve the Jewish question, simply by giving up the fact that you are Jews or, as you say, the non-existent "uniqueness" of the Jewish people. Stop being Jews, become Europeans. Do it!
        1. +1
          4 December 2016 11: 07
          "Therefore, any attempts of Jews to isolate themselves from other Europeans by inventing
          the non-existent uniqueness of the Jewish people is unproductive. "////

          I agree with you. I am for.
          1. 0
            4 December 2016 15: 55
            The basis of European unity is Christianity, one of the dogmas of which is the formula "there is neither a Hellene nor a Jew," therefore Christianity is called a humanistic religious doctrine - in the sense that it does not pay attention to racial differences.

            Therefore, the only way to become a European (in the cultural sense) is to adopt Christianity. Plus, it is advisable to switch to one of the languages ​​of the Indo-European group (Sanskrit dialects) - in the case of Israelis, to Yiddish.

            Confessing Judaism (dividing people into God's chosen people and gentiles) or Islam (dividing people into the Ummah and all others to be destroyed), one cannot become a European by definition.
          2. +1
            5 December 2016 09: 38
            Quote: voyaka uh
            I agree with you. I am for.

            Excellent. It remains to persuade all the rest of your wonderful compatriots. I'm afraid they will mind.
    6. +2
      4 December 2016 04: 12
      Let's continue.
      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
      We have our own culture, they have their own. They are really alien to us. Therefore, one cannot equate the SS man who pulls out gold teeth from the "Untermenshees" who have just been killed in the gas chamber and the Japanese who winds the intestines of a Korean on the blade of his beloved katana.

      The fact that the Japanese have their own culture, the Russians have their own (and the modern Europeans have their own), this is absolutely true. But the fact that it’s normal for Japanese culture to wound the intestines of a civilian and play football with their heads is just your statement. I am not a specialist in Japanese culture, but I don’t think they would agree with you.
      Moreover, I'm sorry, but it seems to me that you personally in this case really adopted the European culture. Simply put, your remarks are pure racism.
      "Well, what to take from these Japanese? Savages, sir. Pure Asiatic."
      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
      What is morality? This is a social contract designed to make society the most effective.

      The concept of efficiency has no relation to morality; moreover, morality should be abolished from the point of view of efficiency.
      For example, in terms of efficiency, it’s easiest to make money simply by killing or robbing someone. However, morality does not allow me to do this.
      Or, from the point of view of efficiency, it is easiest to satisfy the sexual instinct by raping a beautiful defenseless girl. However, morality does not allow me to do this. Well, etc.
      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
      And the most efficient society, sooner or later, will be able to impose its morality on the others, eventually making humanity more effective than it was before ...

      This is precisely the Western view of morality: whoever is stronger is right. We are stronger, which means we are more efficient, which means we have the right to destroy you, those who are not strong, and therefore not effective.
      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
      But we were stronger. And it is we who teach them morality, and not they - us.

      Excuse me, who are we? Japan was also defeated by the Soviet Union. And the Soviet view of morality (no matter how to relate to it) is diametrically opposed to yours — who is stronger is right.
      But Japan was also defeated by the USA. Yes, they began to "teach the Japanese morality."
      Bombing women and children with nuclear bombs, and demolishing entire neighborhoods where there are no military targets. But what is typical, "they never taught."
      Japanese culture (even though Japan has been occupied since 1945) is still very different from the West.
      PS If you offended, excuse me. The fact that you were shocked by the Nazi art in the USSR (by the way, let's say in Denmark they behaved in a completely different way) characterizes you as a very good person.
      I’m much worse, it doesn’t surprise me at all.
      1. +1
        4 December 2016 12: 19
        Let's figure it out :)
        Quote: Odyssey
        If offended, sorry.

        Do not offend. Moreover, you managed to correctly formulate your opinion on a very acute issue. hi
        Quote: Odyssey
        But the fact that it’s normal for Japanese culture to wound the intestines of a civilian and play football with their heads is just your statement. I am not a specialist in Japanese culture, but I don’t think they would agree with you.

        Let's look at a specific example. Who is a warrior in the European sense? First of all, he is the defender of the weak, those who cannot defend themselves. A warrior fights for his country, for women, the elderly and children.
        And who is a warrior in Japan? First of all - the servant of the Emperor. He carries the will of his Emperor and sees this as his honor and mission.
        Before leaving the Russian-Japanese war of 1904-1905, some Japanese soldiers killed their children if there was a sick wife in the house and there were no other guardians left, because they did not want to condemn the family to starvation. They considered such behavior a manifestation of devotion to the emperor. According to Tomikura and other authors, such acts were considered laudable, as the killing of a child and a sick wife was seen as an expression of devotion and sacrifice towards their country and Emperor Meiji.
        If you look at the basic postulates of bushido, you will see courage, loyalty to the lord and justice there. All! So if the lord (officer) decides that eating the killed enemy is fair, the Japanese will eat him without a twinge of conscience. He has priority - to fulfill the will of the Emperor, if without cannibalism in any way, then there will be cannibalism.
        Quote: Odyssey
        "Well, what to take from these Japanese? Savages, sir. Pure Asiatic."

        False :))) The difference between a racist and me lies in the fact that, being convinced of the superiority of my own culture, I do not look down upon the carriers of another culture.
        A racist sees his racial superiority (let's say cultural and technological) and denies representatives of a different race equal rights with him.
        I, seeing my cultural superiority, am absolutely not ready to refuse the same Japanese equal rights with me. Those. I, despite cultural differences, I treat them the same way as representatives of my race, and therefore I am not a racist :)
        Quote: Odyssey
        The concept of efficiency has no relation to morality; moreover, morality should be abolished from the point of view of efficiency.

        In no case
        Quote: Odyssey
        For example, in terms of efficiency, it’s easiest to make money simply by killing or robbing someone. However, morality does not allow me to do this.

        Yes. And why? Because otherwise the society would consist exclusively of the strong. The weak would die, and this is counterproductive - very often intellectual workers are not good fighters, and the society of the "strongest" would quickly lose in the race of scientific and technological progress to other societies.
        Quote: Odyssey
        This is precisely the Western view of morality: whoever is stronger is right. We are stronger, which means we are more efficient, which means we have the right to destroy you, those who are not strong, and therefore not effective.

        Again, not so :))) You yourself write
        Quote: Odyssey
        Japan was also defeated by the Soviet Union. And the Soviet view of morality (no matter how to relate to it) is diametrically opposed to yours — who is stronger is right.

        Incorrectly :))) There are two peoples - for example, the USSR and Japan. They have diametrically opposed views on morality in many respects. And they have an interest in the same territories.
        Countries should agree on who owns what and what belongs to and determine morality, which will subsequently form the basis of relations between these countries. So, for example, the USSR is not at all ready to allow the genocide of the Chinese, the inhuman treatment of prisoners, etc. and for Japan - it’s all in the order of things - that’s how she sees the future world order. We converged on the battlefield, and our Good fists were more powerful. Accordingly, we forced the Japanese to conduct external affairs from our understanding of morality. By force.
        That is what I was talking about.
        Do you know what the fundamental difference is between us and the same Americans? Both they and we used force against Japan. But we applied it in full accordance with our morality. We did not need the hecatombs of corpses - we fought the army against the army, the warrior against the warrior and forced the Japanese to surrender. We demanded that they comply with our morality on a number of issues - and we ourselves showed a model of how we adhere to this morality.
        The Americans, on the contrary, declaring one morality, acted completely differently themselves, outside their morality. These are carpet bombing and so on. The hypocrisy of pure water. By the way, it’s quite in the tradition of Japan :)))))
        1. 0
          4 December 2016 16: 02
          You trample around, the difference between the Russian / European and Japanese is only one thing: in the culture - the former has a Christian, the latter - a Shinto.
        2. 0
          5 December 2016 09: 35
          Little time, so briefly.
          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          Let's look at a specific example. Who is a warrior in the European sense? First of all, he is the defender of the weak, those who cannot defend themselves. A warrior fights for his country, for women, the elderly and children.
          And who is a warrior in Japan? First of all - the servant of the Emperor. He carries the will of his Emperor and sees this as his honor and mission.

          About the warriors of Japan, persuaded. You know the topic better. Although I don’t really understand what the Emperor’s benefit is in playing football with the heads of the Chinese.
          But you idealize European warriors. Such an understanding of the warrior that you described is typical only for feudal poetry of the troubadours, and then looking at the art of the crusaders it is difficult to identify them as "defenders of the weak"
          To the soldiers of the European armies after the victory of capitalism, your description, in my opinion, does not apply.
          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          False :))) The difference between a racist and me lies in the fact that, being convinced of the superiority of my own culture, I do not look down upon the carriers of another culture.

          Persuaded, you are not a racist))) Although I believe that all cultures are different and you should not talk about the superiority of one over the other, but those who come to impose their cultural values ​​on others should be unscrewed.
          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          Yes. And why? Because otherwise the society would consist exclusively of the strong. The weak would die, and this is counterproductive - very often intellectual workers are not good fighters, and the society of the "strongest" would quickly lose in the race of scientific and technological progress to other societies.

          I don’t agree at all here. You are talking about a general principle, not a specific society. If all societies are guided by these principles, then there will simply be no other societies. And then why is killing and robbery a privilege of the strong? The weak will come up with a bomb or use poison, and. etc.
          The fact is that the criterion of effectiveness as a whole is not related to morality. I can give you another million examples.
          For example, I'm sorry for the vulgarity, you wanted to use the toilet, but being in a public place will not satisfy your need. You will find a toilet or a secluded place)))
          Although the most effective would not be tormented but to satisfy their need. And animals that do not have morality do so.
          It seems to me that speaking about efficiency you need to explain what you mean by efficiency.
          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          Do you know what the fundamental difference is between us and the same Americans? Both they and we used force against Japan. But we applied it in full accordance with our morality. We did not need the hecatombs of corpses - we fought the army against the army, the warrior against the warrior and forced the Japanese to surrender. We demanded that they comply with our morality on a number of issues - and we ourselves showed a model of how we adhere to this morality.

          I would say this, we demanded that they not apply their morality to us and other nations. But in general it is accepted.
          PS About the Jews somehow another time)))
    7. 0
      13 November 2017 15: 05
      Absolutely right! First, one needs to defend one's value system (and to a large extent also comprehend it), and only then admire the "cultural" (for the cult ur = cult of the genus) achievements of strangers.
  19. +4
    3 December 2016 20: 18
    And what has changed? Then the Japanese staged genocide, no one argues with that.
    So now DAISH, or rather, those who are behind him behave no better. And the bombing of Yugoslavia? APU and national battalions? And what would happen to the Russians on the territory of the Baltic States if the local "patriots" were untied? There is no need to remind about German fascism.
    In general, there was nothing new in this.
    Commentary on the original article:
    Skeptic, 09:10, December 2, 2016
    Don't demonize anyone. People of all nationalities exhibit extreme atrocities in war. The Germans hanged, cut, burned, raped. After Goethe and Schiller, they strangled their own kind in gas chambers. It's the same with the French, British, Poles. Only with a different "national flavor". Unfortunately, during the evolutionary development, man has not become either better or kinder. We kill hundreds of animals. In Norway, they break the skulls of fur seals with bats, in Japan they cut the throats of dolphins, leaving them to fight in mortal agony. Cruelty - I must admit - is the same property of a person as the ability to sympathy and empathy. Man is an extremely imperfect bearer of reason. The development of mankind is slowed down by the fact that the brutal essence constantly distracts him from progressive and constructive activity into the divisions of territories inherent in animals and finding out who is the most dominant primate (which will then show off on the pages of a glossy magazine). If not for this, we would have long been able to teleport to distances of millions of light years and explore other worlds. But no, let's better fight for oil, but it is desirable that we remain after five thousand people in the nuclear desert. Stupidity.
    1. +3
      3 December 2016 21: 46
      Andrey is from Chelyabinsk !!!!! There are Sheckley's stories about cannibalism. in future. Several. In general, I wrote a lot of clever things. And were representatives of reasonable Western civilizations cannibals? I thought at school - "" ek bent! "" "Then I did not know about the Japanese and about the Middle Ages. And about cannibalism in the Middle Ages in Europe for 365 there was a transfer here to the article about the castle, there used to be a discourse on this topic. AK-64 (a member of the forum) wrote that he saw an inscription in England that Jonathan Swift fought against eating children. We must look for an article tomorrow. Or today. And Europeans do not beat themselves in breasts and do not repent. As well as the Japanese. NOBODY ever regretted. !!!! The priority is their own needs and desires. Absolutely fearless, without thoughts and reproaches of conscience. But there were responsibilities - and komikadze, harakkiri. If in plain sight, and if in secret, then everything probably changes.
      1. +3
        3 December 2016 21: 49
        And about the removal of organs during the war is also cannibalism.
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        1. +2
          4 December 2016 01: 41
          Cannibalism, according to witnesses - frantic, was common during WWII in German concentration camps in which Jews were held

          http://www.strana.co.il/News/?ID=86403&cat=4
          1. +1
            4 December 2016 02: 08
            And in the camps of Russian prisoners of war. Hunger is not an aunt.
            1. +2
              4 December 2016 04: 22
              Alex-- Warrior !!!!! Not for you to write about Leningrad !!

              Why don’t you be indignant, how did the Balts kill your fellow Jews for gold and clothes? Or in Ukraine? You have a lot to expose.
              1. +2
                4 December 2016 11: 16
                "Alexey - Voyaka !!!!! You shouldn't write about Leningrad !!" ////

                Why is this? My grandfather died of hunger there. And dad is a miracle
                survived. And he told a lot. What is "not for print".
                It’s for me to tell. And then one glamor comes up.
            2. +1
              4 December 2016 10: 20
              But the Jewish children did not shy from hiding in the cesspools, Schindler's list, and their Russian peers, pioneer heroes with weapons in their hands fought against the German invaders.
              1. +1
                4 December 2016 11: 19
                Because Spielberg filmed the truth, unpleasant, but what really
                It was. And not bullshit with pistols.
                1. +4
                  4 December 2016 11: 37
                  That is, according to your Jewish truth, Lenya Golikov and Zina Portnova, this is bullshit with pistols.
      3. +1
        4 December 2016 05: 19
        Heinlein also has cannibalism, ritual, like communion with the messiah (a stranger in a foreign country), ears grow out of Christianity, malt and Cahors - "His blood and flesh."
  20. +2
    3 December 2016 23: 06
    The rhetoric in this article reminds me of a debate about fried potatoes or mashed potatoes ... The level of atrocities of soldiers depends not only on the culture, morality and values ​​of the society and state to which they belong, but also on how much they are restrained (by no means provokes) the command of military units, formations, etc. With my own eyes I saw what some of our soldiers were doing in Chechnya with prisoners of war "Czechs", and not only .... in those parts where the commanders could not hold them in their "hands" ... turn it, they did not go far from the Japanese sadists or fascists .... And these grief commanders had excuses for them, well, like he recently lost a friend or a fellow countryman, or they just shot at us from this village ... and so on. I do not want to put single cases on a line with the masses in any way .... But sometimes the big starts with the small. The culture of Japan can even be respected because patriotism is brought up in a cultured Japanese family, and therefore a cultural Japanese will NEVER buy a non-Japanese car and never vote for a deputy who drives a non-Japanese car .... In my opinion, to us before that as to the moon
    1. +1
      4 December 2016 04: 33
      Well now it remains to cry and be ashamed, like an old actress for secondary roles. Want the participants of that war to expose ----- go to their meeting evenings !!!!!
  21. +1
    3 December 2016 23: 19
    in short, let their cranes be thrust into themselves.
  22. +3
    3 December 2016 23: 28
    It depends on what period in history we are talking about.
    As a result of the Russo-Japanese War of 1904-05, about 80,000 Russian prisoners of war fell into Japan. In 1906 they all returned to Russia. They were treated well. Officers could even travel around the country. There are their memoirs. No atrocities and did not smell.
    In World War II, having entered the Axis with Hitler, the Japanese dramatically changed their attitude towards prisoners.
    All according to the article.
  23. +3
    3 December 2016 23: 55
    In 1980, he was in a hospital in Tula in the same ward with a veteran. In 1945-46 he was the commandant of one of the Manchurian cities and sent a train with Japanese prisoners of war to felling in the USSR. An order came to provide the Japanese with food (from captured warehouses) according to the norms of the domestic Armed Forces of the Field Army (not front-line) for the duration of the journey. We have formed food stocks. Before sending the train, I went to the captured food warehouses to check if everything was done correctly. When inspecting the warehouses, I drew attention to the huge circles standing at the wall. I asked the Japanese, "what is this?" They answered: sunflower cake. "For what?" Feed Russian prisoners of war. Those who have come across the production of sunflower oil know what oil cake is. Nobody cleans seeds before pressing. I wanted to replace the Japanese lard, meat, cereals and bread with this cake, but it is impossible - the order. The veteran told a lot of "good" things about the Japanese.
  24. +5
    4 December 2016 00: 08
    The question is complex. Had to be in Japan. They really are in many ways incomprehensible to representatives of other cultures. But such a moment. On the island of Shikoku there is the city of Matsuyama. There is a Russian cemetery where sailors who died in captivity during the 1904-05 war are buried. This is the only cemetery in Japan where only Russians rest. Children take care of the cemetery. For your money. Every year, older students pass on their responsibilities to younger students. It is believed that this was a war of knights, and the souls of deceased knights live in a cemetery. In general, in Japan there are about 30 cemeteries where Russian sailors were buried. There, for them, well-groomed territory is allotted for them, clean sand all around, columns with surnames and numbers. And the cemetery caretaker has an account book, where there is more complete data for each buried person, and all this is still stored.

    The largest Russian cemetery is located in Nagasaki, and it was formed before the First World War - there are many monuments to the participants of the 1905 revolution of the year who left Russia and found the last refuge in Japan, and Russian sailors who died during the Tsushima battle. The abbot of the local temple is watching the cemetery in Nagasaki.
    Therefore, I repeat, the question is complex.
    1. +2
      4 December 2016 04: 41
      Quote: Dekabrist
      . On the island of Shikoku there is the city of Matsuyama. There is a Russian cemetery where sailors who died in captivity during the war of 1904-05 are buried. the only cemetery in Japan where only Russians rest. Children take care of the cemetery. For your money. Every year, older students pass on their responsibilities to younger students. It is believed that this was a war of knights, and the souls of deceased knights live in a cemetery. In general, in Japan there are about 30 cemeteries where Russian sailors were buried.
      Therefore, I repeat, the question is complex.

      And all the same, HORRY them and not the island!
    2. +2
      4 December 2016 05: 34
      So the Germans take care of the graves of our soldiers and do not smash the memorials, and the Russian cemetery in Nagasaki existed before the Russo-Japanese war, Nagasaki is one of the ports where Russian ships and ships had the right to call, a sort of port-franco.
  25. cap
    0
    4 December 2016 00: 59
    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
    Quote: cap
    This is my personal opinion

    kep, sorry for the stupid question, do you accidentally have a surname "Obvious"?


    Knowing the path and going it is not the same thing hi
  26. +4
    4 December 2016 01: 46
    Quote: Caretaker
    tinibar ...
    ... Here is such a civilized nation .... (Japanese)

    Civilized by whom?
    ...

    All the same Jesuits as the Poles with the Baltic states dashed, only much later.
    Around the same time, they also wrote a "great and ancient" history to the Han Chinese, allegedly from ancient manuscripts, which, lo and behold, have not survived to our time, not a single leaf, not a single tablet, not a pebble, everything that is, everything is no older than time the appearance of the Jesuits in China and Japan ...
    These are the universal "civilizers" from the popes, they found an approach to all the rulers ..., to almost everyone, except for almost all Russians (in Galicia it took 600 years) ...
    1. +1
      4 December 2016 12: 29
      Penzyac
      No one denies Japanese culture (civilization) as such.
      I just noticed that one should not oppose the "civilized" Japan and Germany to the rest of the "wild" countries.
      In many matters, the inhabitants of these countries (Germany, Japan) were less cultured than those whom they tried to conquer.
      1. +1
        4 December 2016 14: 28
        In this regard (comparison of cultures) the following thought came up: look at Japanese cartoons. There are 2 big differences! Some are about Europeans and the West in general, while others are about "" friends ", the Japanese
        . Pay attention to the EYES of the "warriors of light" "(or rather, the shape of their eyes)! Damn, the coins are old! Which of the human races are like that? And for some reason they are blue-white !!! One gets the impression that the Japs want to show yourself "super-Europeans" "!
        And about the victory of cannibalism in the whole world of science fiction writers, there is a "pessimistic" novel by Heinlein "Freehold of Farnham" "and" "optimistic" "Anta Skalandis" "Catalysis" "! If in the first the main character runs back to our, dear , XX century, then in the second the heroes gladly accept the so-called historical progress. Moreover, Skalandis has cannibalism ... without murder and without pain!
        Sheckley also had something similar, but a thought came, saw me typing, and left.
        And somewhere in the west, products in the form of human organs are sold in grocery stores, the remaining abortive human remains are used for various purposes ... What does all this lead to ?????????????
        And I read the novel “A stranger in a strange land”.
        Sincerely.
  27. +3
    4 December 2016 19: 17
    All the "enlightened" and "cultured" ones were noted in the centuries as none of the "subhumans".
    "Barbarians": IV Grozny, VI Lenin, IV Stalin quietly stand aside, watching what their "enlightened" contemporaries were doing.
    Churchill alone put his hands to the killing of so many people that the HVF and the ITT, taken together, are simply white lambs. Moreover, Churchill can be imputed almost personally, and VIL and IVS can be imputed something indirectly.

    About the "art" of Detachment 731 (as well as the materials of the Nyurberg Tribunal), I and my friends read back in the 80s, like in "Roman Gazeta" in the reading room of an ordinary library. To say that you experienced a shock is to say nothing.
  28. 0
    2 February 2017 13: 00
    By the way, here was a similar note earlier, in addition
    https://topwar.ru/23219-koshmarnye-stranicy-voyny
    -japanese-soldaty-kannibaly.html
  29. 0
    13 November 2017 15: 11
    It turns out that there are two nations in the world whose soldiers quite consciously ate people - the Japanese during World War II and the Poles during our Time of Troubles. Abomination and filth, and there and there ambition and arrogance, and there and there the cannibals did not suffer much punishment.