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Limited imperial contingent

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Turkey is currently the only NATO member that is actually preparing for war with several neighboring countries at the same time, and its main potential opponent is another member of the alliance - Greece.


Turkey retains the draft principle of manning the Armed Forces, which in terms of the number and quantity of weapons and equipment occupy the second place in NATO after the United States. At the same time, the personnel have combat experience (against the Kurds), and the Turks have much higher resistance to their own losses than any other NATO army.

The country has a powerful military-industrial complex, capable of producing military equipment of almost all classes. The weak point of the Turkish Armed Forces is a large proportion of obsolete weapons. In addition, recently, the high command has been subjected to mass repressions by the political leadership of the country, which by no means strengthened the army.

The ground forces have four field armies (PAs) and one command, as well as the 15 training infantry division.

1-I PA (headquarters in Istanbul) is responsible for the defense of the European part of the country and the Black Sea straits zone. It has three army corps (AK) - 2, 3 and 5. 2 th AK (Gelibolu) includes 4, 8, 18 th motorized infantry, 95 th armored and 5 th brigade commando, 102 th artillery regiment. 3-th AK (Istanbul) is considered part of the NATO RRF. It includes the 52 armored and 23 motorized divisions (6, 23, motorized infantry 47 regiments), 2 th armored and 66 motorized brigades. 5-th AK (Corlu): 1 and 3-I armored, 54, 55 and 65-I motorized infantry brigade, 105-th artillery and engineer regiments.

2-I PA (Malatya) covers the south-east of the country, the borders with Syria and Iraq, fighting the Kurds. It consists of three AKs: 4, 6, 7. The 4 st AK (Ankara) includes the 28 motorized infantry, the 1 and 2 th commandos (MTR), the 58 th artillery brigade, the regiment of the presidential guard. 6-th AK (Adana): 5-I armored and 39-I motorized infantry brigade, 106-th artillery regiment. 7-th AK (Diyarbakyr): 3-I infantry division, 16 and 70-I mechanized, 2 and 6-I motorized infantry, 20 and 172-I armored, 34-I border, mountain special forces, ZNUMX-I, special forces, I’MNHMX, I’MNIXX-I, 14 NNMX-I armored, 3-i artillery regiment.

3-I PA (Erzincan) is responsible for the northeast of the country, the border with Georgia and Armenia. It consists of two AKs: 8 and 9. 8-st AK (Elazig): 1, 12, 51-I motorized infantry, 4, 10, 49-I command brigade, 17-th motorized infantry and 108-th artillery regiment. 9-th AK (Erzurum): 4-I armored, 9, 14, 25 and 48-I motorized infantry brigade, 109-th artillery regiment.

4-I Aegean PA (Izmir) is focused on the south-west of the country, that is, the coast of the Aegean Sea, as well as the northern part of Cyprus (the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus is recognized only by Ankara). It has a transport division, 11 commando, 19 infantry, 1 and 3 infantry training, 57 artillery training brigade, 2 infantry regiment. 11-st AK is deployed in Cyprus: 28 and 39-i infantry divisions, 14-I armored brigade, artillery, 41 and 49-i special regiment.

Army Command aviation includes the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th regiments of army aviation.

In recent years, Turkey has become the second (after Bulgaria) NATO country, which has tactical missiles in service. These are 72 American ATACMS (PU for them are MLRS MLRS) and at least 100 own J-600T, copied from Chinese B-611.

Tank Park: 354 modern German Leopard-2A4, 397 Leopard-1 (170 A1T, 227 A3), 929 even older American M60s (168 Sabra modernized in Israel, 104 A1, 657 A3) and 1376 completely outdated , although the upgraded M48A5T1 / 2 (another approximately 665 M48A5T1 and 723 M48 of earlier modifications in storage).

Armed 772 BRM "Cobra" and 370 "Fasten" 650 BMP AIFV, more 6 thousand BTR - 1381 ACV-3000, at least 29 "Alger" to 100 "Pars" 465 "Kypri" 3064 M113 to 500 M59. All these machines are of their own production, except for the old American M113 and M59, and the M59 may have already been written off. In addition, the gendarmerie and police have 323 Russian BTR-60PB and 214 BTR-80, 25 German "Condor", 124 American V-150 and 228 "Dragoon".

Limited imperial contingentIn service it has 1246 ACS - 26 M108T, 363 M52T, 222 M 44T1, 81 M55, 299 T-155, 36 M107, 219 M110A2 more 1800 towed implements - 180 M116 to 600 M101A1, 493 M114A1 / 2, to 400 "Panther", 162 M115 about 10 thousand mortars - M3500 19, 3792 M1 and M29, 1264 M30 etc. Almost all US-made artillery, except manufactured in Turkey by the South Korean license ACS T-155 howitzers and "Panther". . The composition of the rocket artillery: 15 American MLRS MLRS, 80 T-300 "Kasyrga" (newest Chinese WS-1), 24 own towed RA7040, 130 T-122 "Sakarya" (Soviet BM X-21 on the Turkish chassis, more than), more than Turkish, more than 33,000 over SX. -100 (old Chinese Tour 107).

ATGM: American Tou 390 (including self-propelled 173 M901, 48 ACV), 80 Russian Cornet and 70 Contest, 632 new Swedish Eriks, 392 old French Milan. 268 heavily outdated Soviet "Baby" and 186 German "Cobras" are in storage.

The 150 air defense systems Atylgan (8 Stingers on M113) and 88 Zipkin (4 Stingers on Lendrover), 1089 American Red Ay, 850 Stinger, and 40 Russian IZHRXs, 262 Russian Red I, 42 Stinger, and 1700 Russian Russian X-guns, 300 Russian X , 202 extremely outdated American ZSU M439 "Duster" over 01 anti-aircraft guns - more than 120 German Rh-001, 003 Swiss GAI-D803, of 40 the Swiss GDF-1 and GDF-XNUMX, XNUMX Swedish "Bofors", XNUMX T- XNUMX.

Army aircraft are armed with light aircraft, mainly American: up to 6 T-42, up to 9 “Cessna-421”, 3 “Cessna-185”, 1 CN-235, 6 “Beach B200”. The basis of the strike power is combat helicopters: 9, the newest own T-129 (created on the basis of Italian А-129), up to 37 American АN-1 Cobra (up to 21 Р, up to 5 S, 11 W). There are also multi-purpose and transport helicopters: 3 OH-58, up to 160 "Bell-205" and UH-1H, up to 45 "Bell-206", up to 84 S-70, up to 23 AS532, 19 Mi-17. Before 38, Hughes-300 and up to 20 AB-204 are in storage. All of these cars are American, except AS532 and Mi-17, French and Russian, respectively.

Air Force include four command. All combat aircraft are part of two tactical aviation commands (TAK), transport - in the command of the Air Force headquarters, training - in the training aviation command.

1-e TAK (headquarters - Eskisehir) includes 1-th air base (Eskisehir), 3-th (Konya), 4-th (Akıncı), 6-th (Bandyrma), 9-th (Balyksesir), 15-th base Zour (Istanbul). 2-e TAK (Diyarbakyr): 5-I air base (Merzifon), 7-I (Erhach), 8-I (Diyarbakyr), 10-I tankers (Adana). Air Force Headquarters Command: 11-I transport Air Base (Etimesgut) and 12-I transport air base (Erkilet). Training AK (Izmir) includes 2-th (Chigli) and 3-th (Konya) squadron.

The basis of the combat power of the Air Force range from 240 to 246 F-16 fighter jets (183 -– 189 C, 55-57 training and combat D), most of which are produced under license in Turkey itself. Old American fighter aircraft remain in service - up to 41 F-4E and 21 F-5. There are 4 aircraft ARLO "Boeing-737", 5 aircraft DER, EW and communications (2 "Gulfstream-550", 2 CN-235, 1 C-130B), 7 KC-135R, 95, XNXX, refueling machines, 3, 400, 15, 160, 2; 560M, 2 German-French C-550, 3 "Cessna-4", 1 "Cessna-330", 48, "Gulf Stream-235", 21 European А130, 5, Spanish CN-13, XNHXXXXXUMUM, 2 European, CNNXX, CNNXX, CNNXX E, 1 N, 169 J), up to 40 training aircraft (1 South Korean KT-27T, up to 41 T-67D, 38 T-35, 260 French SF-116D), up to 22 helicopters (up to 532 French XXNXX XXNXX XXNXX XXNXX XXNXX XXNXX X94 X) -1H).

Ground-based air defense has the outdated American long-range air defense system, the Nike Hercules (92 PU), 8 batteries (48 PU), the “Advanced Hock” air defense missile system, the 86 English air defense missile system “Rapier”, the 32 air defense missile “Atylgan”, the 108 air defense missile system, and the XNUMX British air defense system “Rapier”, the XNUMX air defense system “Atylgan”, the XNUMX air defense missile system, the XMNUMX air defense missile system, the Rapira air defense system, the XNUMX air defense system Atylgan, the XNUMX air defense missile system, and the XNUMX air defense system.

On the VVB "Incirlik" are stored 70 nuclear bombs B-61 (50 - for the US Air Force, 20 - for the Turkish Air Force).

The Navy has 14 German submarines: the newest 8 / 209 Preveza project (1400 T4, 1 T4), 2 relative to the new Atylay project.

The basis of the surface fleet 22 frigates: 8 of Gaziantep type (American Oliver Perry), 4 of Yavuz (German MEKO2000TN) and Barbaros (MEKO2000TN-II), 6 Burak (French D'Estien D'Or) ) In addition, 5 American Knox frigates are withdrawn from the Navy and are in the sludge.

There are 18 newest corvettes of their own construction: 2 type "Hell", 16 "Tuzla" (the latter are sometimes classified as patrol boats).

All German-built or local rocket boats, but according to German projects, are 9 of the type Kilich, 10 FPB57 (2 Yildyz, 4 Ruzgar and 4 Dogan, slightly different in equipment), 4 of the old Kartal ( another 4 withdrawn from the Navy). There are 17 patrol boats: 6 AB-25, 4 PGM71, 6 Karamürsel and 1 Trabzon, and also up to 80 small patrol boats on the coast guard.

As part of the Navy 25 minesweepers: 6 type "Aydin" (German project 332), 5 "Engin" (French "Circe"), on 5 "Sadie" and "Silifke" (American "Adjutant"), 4 "Foca" (American same "Cape").

Landing forces include the Ertugrul (American Terrebon Perish), 2 own Sardujabei and Osman Gazi, 25 MDK (17 EDIC, 8 "Yeni"), 63 landing craft.

In the naval aviation 9 Spanish base patrol CN-235M, up to 9 transport aircraft (up to 7 TV-20, 2 ATR-72), 23 anti-submarine S-70B, up to 29 multi-purpose and transport helicopters (up to 12 "Bell-212" 14 "Bell-412ER", to 3 "Bell-206").

The Marines include the 1 Brigade, as well as special forces: the 9 squadron SAT (combat swimmers, saboteurs), the 5 squadron SAS (anti-sabotage combat swimmers).

Turkey remains the strongest and most dangerous adversary of Armenia, our ally in the CSTO. Ankara is not just actively seeking the overthrow of the Syrian President Assad, but is (along with Qatar) one of the main creators and sponsors of the IG banned in Russia. Actively supports the Majlis of the Crimean Tatars, which occupies a radically anti-Russian position. In general, President Erdogan does not hide his desire to restore the Ottoman Empire at least in a reduced form. In this regard, the Kremlin’s attempts to “tie up Ankara with a pipe,” that is, with economic (especially energy) interests, are obviously untenable. Geopolitics was, is and will be more important, and here our interests are opposed. Therefore, Turkey is one of the main potential opponents of Russia (which was confirmed a year ago), and the opportunity to change the situation is not visible.

True, the personality traits of Erdogan are such that lately he has managed to quarrel with virtually the whole world. This led to his microcapitulation in front of Russia this summer. As a result, Ankara ceased to demand the immediate overthrow of Assad and began to imitate the fight against IS. The main victim of this process, however, became the Syrian Kurds. They made a common mistake - they too believed Washington and this summer, for the first time in the entire period of the civil war, they began to fight, albeit on a limited scale, against the Syrian army. The retribution followed instantly - Moscow and Damascus ceased to object to Turkey’s attacks on the Kurds. And Washington, of course, did not help them with anything. Under current conditions, friendship with him is suicidal, the Kurds have become just another confirmation of this fact (“With respect to the partisans”).

All this, however, does not negate the fact that Ankara is an enemy to us, and not an ally, and not even a fellow traveler. The next blow in the back she will inflict on us at the first opportunity. Moreover, microcapitulation in front of Moscow became Erdogan’s strongest incentive for revenge. However, if the new US President Trump really decides to fight Islamic radicals, and not Assad, this will lead to a radical change in the situation in the Middle East. Ankara is unlikely to bring joy.
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  1. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 3 December 2016 05: 48
    +3
    The armor is strong and our tanks are fast. Well, well, gentlemen of the Turks. It can be seen in the country that things are really bad, since the only way out is a regional war.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 3 December 2016 05: 52
      +3
      Turkey is currently the only NATO member that is actually preparing for war with several neighboring countries at the same time, and its main potential opponent is another member of the alliance - Greece.

      Turkey follows the path of GERMANY of the 19th and 20th centuries ...

      Erdogan is dumb as a cork ... repeats its path into the abyss.
      1. Monarchist
        Monarchist 3 December 2016 17: 01
        +1
        Lech, I would not be in a hurry to say that Erdogan is stupid. He can show great resourcefulness.
    2. The stranger
      The stranger 5 December 2016 05: 40
      +2
      Nah, even shitty.
      There are already more planes there than pilots - tossing around in the jail. And the generals there, for the company to the pilots.
      Army - draft. And on the night of the coup, the bearded men of Erdogan fucked and cut soldiers right on the streets. Although it was said to those that these are teachings, and they obeyed the order. One way or another, the connection between the people and the state is also slaughtered. For excluding several large cities, the only link between the population and the state was the army.
      By and large, you can score on the Turkish army. Well, how to shoot at unknown Kurds with double-barreled shotguns, somewhere beyond the horizon - obviously still can. Though sluggish. But to fight with a normal state-no longer.
      Yes, and looked at the list of weapons? Have you read? Not sweating? Me too :) Who, how, and what will mend and keep afloat this whole shirshchain in which case - I absolutely can not imagine.
      Even without saying that in any situation, they will not have any international support, not even from Allah.
  2. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 3 December 2016 05: 53
    +9
    We will never forget that the Turks are not "friends" to us. Well, let the Turks not forget that in modern warfare, quality is more important than quantity. No wonder Turkish aviation does not fly over Syria. And the blow of our aviation on the Turkomans after the Turkish dishonest showed what exactly would happen to the Turkish army, if anything. So Erdogan is still "on the ropes", despite all his unpredictability. I liked the recent one - out of habit I "vyak" about Assad - and immediately called Moscow - "Yes, I didn't mean it, I'm not me, and the horse is not mine ..."
    1. Atheist 13
      Atheist 13 3 December 2016 06: 08
      +3
      Well, while the Turks are fighting the Kurds and while the United States and other countries support the Kurds, this war will never end.
      PSTurks have never been friends to us, but now we are playing together against the European Union, geopolitics.
    2. Same lech
      Same lech 3 December 2016 06: 14
      +2
      and immediately call Moscow - "Yes, I didn't mean it, I'm not me, and the horse is not mine ..."

      smile

  3. Cartalon
    Cartalon 3 December 2016 06: 06
    +3
    It is unlikely that the Turkish army of the year for an offensive war against a stable enemy, during the Cypriot war, their aircraft happily sank their fleet and this time they will get something off.
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 3 December 2016 14: 50
      +1
      Quote: Cartalon
      It is unlikely that the Turkish army of the year for an offensive war against a steady enemy

      What do you mean by a steady adversary ??
      Turkey can’t bend Armenia? Maybe.
      Turkey cannot bend the Iraqi army (imagine that there is unity in Iraq) can.
      Turkey can’t bend the Georgian army? Maybe.
      Turkey can’t bend the Bulgarian army? Maybe.
      The only question is Iran, but Turkey will not be able to, because the armed forces are not equipped with such modern means that they can defeat Iran without huge losses.
      Those. Turkey can defeat any of its neighbors.
  4. Mainbeam
    Mainbeam 3 December 2016 07: 02
    +2
    Informative regarding the size of the Turkish army.

    But the conclusions are clumsy, if we assume the diarchy in the army before these very repressions. The repressions carried out a purge of dissidents in the upper echelons of the army, which means they made the army stronger. You can also take a different look at the relationship with Moscow, wondering who actually shot down the Su-24 and for what purpose? Has Erdogan surrendered or has he been oiled by Turkish Stream? Is the restoration of the "Ottoman Empire" a question from the same field as the "restoration of the Union empire" for Putin?

    It is not so simple with Turkey as it is written in the article. I consider the political conclusions to be wrong.
  5. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 3 December 2016 08: 07
    +1
    The fact that the Turkish army is well armed and trained is known to all who are interested in foreign forces. But with Greece, i.e. by the readiness of the Turkish army to fight one of the NATO members, the author was too clever.
    and its main potential adversary is another member of the alliance - Greece.

    One can suppose in thoughts, but in reality - direct stupidity.
    1. The stranger
      The stranger 5 December 2016 05: 50
      +1
      In reality, sheer stupidity is precisely this statement.
      A member of NATO, Turkey has already attacked a member of NATO, and half of Cyprus has been taken away. Now every day, Turkish aviation violates Greek airspace.
      Since 1973, an agreement has been in effect between a member of Greece and then a member of the Bulgarian Air Force on repatriation of the Greek population on Bulgarian territory, immediately with the outbreak of hostilities between members of Turkey and Greece.
      Why do you think their best І army stands precisely on the Greek border? And at the time of the VD stood there, and not on the Bulgarian.
  6. Ustrushan
    Ustrushan 3 December 2016 12: 38
    +1
    As has long been known, Russia has two faithful allies. The rest according to the situation. We do not have the strength to rank everyone. We cannot alone restore complete order in Syria. So we need to seek compromises and take into account the vital interests of other countries. Agree in a word, but keeping a gun in sight.
    1. Monarchist
      Monarchist 3 December 2016 17: 32
      0
      You +: a comment to the very point. Russia now cannot independently act in Syria and therefore is forced to interact with random fellow travelers.
      The more modern weapons we have and the more stable the economy, the less we will look back at fellow travelers
  7. Sofa expert
    Sofa expert 3 December 2016 13: 59
    +3
    An interesting term was invented by the author `` microcapitulation '', but Erdogashka did not microcapitulate, but macrodeceived us, something like that))
  8. Yeraz
    Yeraz 3 December 2016 14: 46
    0
    Yes, this Khramchikhin is still that fantasy)))
    Where is Turkey quarreling, quarreling, quarreling with the WORLD)))
    Since when did the USA and a couple of European countries together with Iraq and Syria become the whole world?)))
    In the world of 200 countries actually))
    1. The stranger
      The stranger 5 December 2016 05: 52
      0
      Can I remind you which countries love and respect Turkey? And they will lay bones for her, supporting against whom?
      1. Yeraz
        Yeraz 7 December 2016 03: 52
        0
        Quote: Alien
        Can I remind you which countries love and respect Turkey? And they will lay bones for her, supporting against whom?

        Haha, a ridiculous attempt to translate the topic when the absurdity of the previous statement was proved.
        Let's use the same method.
        Tell me a few countries for which another will fall with bones ??? How many countries will fall for Russia with bones ?? I think 0.
        And Azerbaijan will lay bones for Turkey and vice versa, except for those cases that will lead to the complete extermination of one of the parties, but even this will not mean complete neutrality, since assistance will be rendered on material, human and other levels, but on a smaller scale.
        There are no such countries for Russia.
        1. The stranger
          The stranger 7 December 2016 19: 42
          0
          Really funny. I don’t know where you live, is it really that history and political science are classified there?
          Offhand: for refusing to send troops to the Eastern Front, i.e. against the USSR, Bulgarian Tsar Boris III paid his head. Hitler killed him in the 43rd. And in the 44th, these troops went along with the III Ukrainian Front to Vienna. Therefore, at first they did not fight not because they were afraid.
          If you don’t bring the Lord between NATO and Russia, surprisingly many armies in Europe will not move, contrary to the order of their governments. With the consequences for the generals, and for other lower ranks. And even more pindobaz partisans without even waiting for the Iskander so that nothing more will be needed. Except coffins. Do you think you can succeed without rubbing for the partisans?
          Or do you think they will do it by your order?
          Nude ...
          Take it easy, people all over the world have beliefs, not just you.
          1. Yeraz
            Yeraz 7 December 2016 21: 48
            0
            Quote: Alien
            Really funny. I don’t know where you live, is it really that history and political science are classified there?

            But the flag does not show where I live ?? Born and raised in Russia.
            Quote: Alien
            If you don’t bring the Lord between NATO and Russia, surprisingly many armies in Europe will not move, contrary to the order of their governments. With the consequences for the generals, and for other lower ranks. And even more pindobaz partisans without even waiting for the Iskander so that nothing more will be needed. Except coffins. Do you think you can succeed without rubbing for the partisans?
            Or do you think they will do it by your order?
            Nude ...

            And where are YOU contradicting me here ??? And in general, what are you trying to prove ??? Again, jumping from topic to topic ??? In the world of a unit of countries for which the bones will fall another !!!!!
            The trouble of Europe and the United States is in sensitivity to losses !!! In general, this is the general misfortune of Christian countries at the moment, the least among the Russian Federation, but the Muslim countries, and Asia, are the most calm towards this. The principle in this parameter is unanimous in the first place, and the rest is already changes a lot.
            Moreover, the actions of the partisans depend on the Country that comes if it completely destroys the population or if it is certain that it will be destroyed and leaves their homes, then it’s difficult to carry out partisan actions in these places due to the lack of a population that would cover you (plus geographical factor, etc.)
            For example, there will be no partisanism in the Karabakh conflict. Since both sides are confident that the other side will completely destroy the civilian population of the other, so there will be few casualties among the civilian population. Maximum DRG, well, taking into account the terrain and disaster with infrastructure, plus 20-year mining of each patch this is generally unrealistic thing.

            Quote: Alien
            Take it easy, people all over the world have beliefs, not just you.

            Touch your face your loved ones will talk.
            But I did not deny that I was convinced of something alone. I personally know three guys from St. Petersburg who volunteered and died in battles against the Ukrainian army.
            Everything rests on the number of convinced and what sacrifices they are ready to make for the sake of their convictions.
            These 3 of my friends showed maximum readiness, and the rest only in the offices and on the bench.
            1. The stranger
              The stranger 7 December 2016 22: 30
              0
              So sir. Some Russians are capable of something, and no one else, understand that?
              1. Yeraz
                Yeraz 7 December 2016 23: 29
                0
                Quote: Alien
                So sir. Some Russians are capable of something, and no one else, understand that?

                At least I emphasized my quote, but it is not clear what you mean. If we talk about preparedness for losses, then of Christians for big sacrifices during the conflict, the society is ready only in Russia, and in other Christian countries there will be a squeal. Plus in Russia Muslim parts and Buryats with Kalmyks who will extinguish discontent in those parts that will screech. But it will be dangerous if the enemy is Muslim countries, here Muslims will be a danger in the army.
                1. The stranger
                  The stranger 8 December 2016 20: 32
                  0
                  I'm not talking about anything. He simply said that in the event of a war, NATO - Russia, many nations will not oppose Russia, moreover - American troops themselves will disarm on their territories. Because they themselves are at the concepts, and not because Putin is afraid of them hybrid, or whatever else they are.
                  Everything else is incomprehensible to me.
                  1. Yeraz
                    Yeraz 8 December 2016 20: 42
                    0
                    Quote: Alien
                    He simply said that in the event of a war, NATO - Russia, many nations will not oppose Russia, moreover - American troops themselves will disarm on their territories. Because they themselves are at the concepts, and not because Putin is afraid of them hybrid, or whatever else they are.

                    Well, that’s what they would say. Here I agree with you in part. It’s just that not everything always happens at the request of the people and in the present world you can manipulate public opinion and create the right background. Even between friendly peoples.
                    Yes, and with nuclear weapons you should not wait for an attack on Russia. No. The Soviet scenario, yes, a war where Russia will be dragged. And I think there will be no direct invasion. And the first 2 options are more dangerous than the second.
                    1. The stranger
                      The stranger 9 December 2016 02: 57
                      0
                      You can manipulate. Until the case spreads over the side of the sandbox.
                      Then, suddenly, out of clubs of pink feathers of plundered plush toys, warped faces jump out, screaming Hurray, and hit with bayonets. Friends will tell why the grief of the Allies was beaten, so they should not bother. And nobody cares about sensitivity to losses, this is genetics. Europe, blasphemy.
                      By the way, treat not only the Bulgarians. Though only you shout Hurray except us.
                      Our accounts are large, and all are unpaid. Hammer on NATO. On pindoarmii help you score.
  9. knn54
    knn54 3 December 2016 14: 49
    0
    "Was the deceased a moral person? ..."
    Ostap -Sulayman -Berta -Maria -Bender -Bey, son of a TURKISH-SUBMITTED ...
  10. Monarchist
    Monarchist 3 December 2016 17: 21
    +1
    Leopards2 are serious animals, and Leopard1 is quite toothy. Aviation: you have to be careful with the F16. In general, the Turkish army is equipped quite seriously. In the event of a military conflict, their adversary can be quite tight (depends on: strength, armament, training)
    The media somehow flashed a message that in the Turkish army there is traditionally no coordination really (putsch example)
  11. mgero
    mgero 4 December 2016 14: 26
    0
    I believe that Turkey has only one strong point, it is an increase in population, they are not good-looking vayaks. but with the number they can achieve a lot.
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 4 December 2016 16: 34
      0
      Quote: mgero
      they are nonsense vayaks

      Are these Turks worthless warriors? On the contrary, from the Muslims, the Turks were always the most powerful wars. And they were always famous for this.
      The only thing in a certain period lost their technological moment and the West and Russia in this regard have advanced forward. Now this potential is being built up.
      1. The stranger
        The stranger 5 December 2016 05: 56
        0
        Yes?
        Come, read the history of wars with the participation of Turkey for the nineteenth and twentieth centuries.
        Whoever did not fight with them didn’t beat them in the tail and mane.
      2. Krabik
        Krabik 5 December 2016 17: 39
        0
        The Turks have been famous for their lousy wars throughout their history, and the victories during the Ottoman Empire were brought by detachments recruited from the children of slaves withdrawn from Bulgaria and Ukraine (Russia).

        Now their situation is much worse, they do not have Russian slaves, and they are not able to provide the army with weapons. delivery rem. sets and ammunition during the war they have to pay in gold or their lands.

        But even in this situation, I really hope that the Russian Federation will not have any direct clash with Turkey. this clash will mean that we have fallen to the level of Turkey ...
  12. protoss
    protoss 5 December 2016 15: 39
    0
    some kind of stupid enumeration of Turkish arms, no estimates, no analysis, no conclusions.
  13. murriou
    murriou 10 December 2016 09: 50
    0
    own J-600T, copied from the Chinese B-611.

    Copying from the Chinese is an achievement of rare strength laughing