About natural rent and Russia's inefficiency

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“The Belarusian model has exhausted itself. But no one is in a hurry to leave the swamp. ” With such an interesting title comes the article on TUT.BY. Read on, and then what?



“The famous Russian scientist George Malinetsky, describing the state of the Russian economy, said:“ We have already lost the present. We need to think about the future. ” Along with the scandalous characteristics of the situation in the country of his liberal opponent, banker German Gref at the Gaidar Forum (“Downshifter country”, “technological enslavement of the country by the West”, etc.), this indicates the seriousness of the situation ... "

Here, you know, interesting, insanely interesting, incredible. The title is about Belarus, and it’s almost impossible to disagree with it. From the quarry you are accelerating, and there about Russia ... they begin to tell. It reminds an old joke about a “talented” student who, having Germany on the ticket, but not being ready to talk about her, began his speech like this: “... But speaking of Germany, it’s impossible not to say about her neighbor, France.”

Just an incredibly talented approach. We have, sorry, two very different economic systems. And the “Russian model” refers to the “Belarusian model” approximately as a cabinet to a kitchen service. The Belarusian model of the economy today is absolutely a unique thing.

Now regarding the Russian model of the economy: I do not agree with both “speakers” - and with Gref, and with the bar, that is, ugh, with “the well-known Russianоnym ". Nonsense are gentlemen. Rather, not so much talking nonsense, as engaged in political propaganda. Everything is simple (we have already done this in the late USSR): everyone wants to live richly, and those who already live richly want to live more and more richer.

There is, however, an economic system that provides “peopleяm ”a certain standard of living. Plumbing one, another professor, a third gangster. And everyone is unhappy, which is typical, everyone absolutely reasonably believes that their labor is undervalued. Even in a great book on stories antiquity can be found complaining gray-haired professor, that, they say, even then (thenKarl, under Augusta-Octavian!) "People of mental labor" were paid less than skillful artisans (what does he hint at?).

In short, all unhappy, from banker to racketeer. And then someone (all in white) appears on the scene, who declares: “All our rulers are thieves and idiots! We can live five times better and richer! (I know the password, I see the landmark ...) "What is the general reaction? It is simple: “That's it, Mikhalych! And the men did not know ... "

- That's how much you get? Yes, yes, you!

- Two hundred rubles.

- Do you want to receive two thousands dollars?

All in shock. The trick is that no one bothers you to want at least two thousand dollars, even the moon from the sky. And when the “brilliant reforms” of the theoretical economist end in complete collapse, you can lose not only the “two hundred rubles”, but also the last pants. But people are underway.

You should always ask another question: “What are you specifically do you propose to do it? ”This is usually much more difficult. It turns out that people are for investment and innovation and against backwardness and bureaucracy. "Brilliant economists" begin to speak loudly, confusedly, nervously, to wave their arms and use incomprehensible foreign terms. No, they do not need to be considered as all cheaters. It's just that if a person counts something on a piece of paper there and suggests, on the basis of these calculations, immediately change the life of a huge country ... Sorry.

The Russian economic model is quite a working one. She survived under sanctions in the face of falling oil prices. And the sanctions were aimed precisely at the destruction of the Russian economy. Not deterrence, but destruction. Oil prices fell (at times!), And at the same time (as if by chance), we were cut off lending in Western banks. Such is the "combo", aimed at defeating the Russian economy. This is a war, an economic war.

The Russian economy has survived. It should be understood that the situation we have now is a situation of "wartime", and not the normal course of events. And even in such extreme conditions, nothing terrible happened. Just compare with 90 (when we did everything on the orders of liberal economists) and the crisis of 98. That is, then everything was so, very sadly, and at the slightest whiff of international financial winds, the system was covered with a copper basin.

As for today's days: you know, it is difficult to engage in investments and innovations when they want to destroy you. Just wipe out the planet.

"It is hardly at all correct to speak of the Russian" model of economic growth for 2000's. " Since this “model” was based only on high oil prices, the development of the Soviet legacy in the economic turnover and hopes for the action of the “invisible hand of the market”. And the world market. " Alexander Obukhovich, an economist, the author of the very article with a beautiful title.

Nobody wants to believe in the “Russian miracle”. Absolutely no one. Putin was just lucky with high oil prices. That's the point. Sorry, gentlemen, oil in Kazakhstan’s economy (with a very small population) is much more significant. There, the oil industry is almost everything. But did it help Kazakhstan a lot in “fed zero”? No, not a disaster, of course. And yet: to say that the "zero" Kazakhs made a powerful leap forward, is not necessary. Azerbaijan is a country with even smaller population and with very large oil (not in icy Siberia). So what? Somehow they all sadly ended with the fall in oil prices.

“But this is Russia, where, firstly, there is a steady flow of natural rent into the economy of the country (prices have fallen - there has been less, but still a lot)”. Alexander Obukhovich.

Such here in Belarus economists. As Dersu Uzala said: “There are eyes, there is no see.” In the economy of Saudi Arabia, "natural rent" comes with enviable regularity. The population is small, the cost of oil production is minimal ... So what? As a result of the decline in oil prices, a full-scale political crisis is unfolding there. Everything very badly. The same goes for Venezuela. The same goes for Kazakhstan.

Then there are two funny signs: the role of oil exports in GDP (percent) and barrels of exports per capita.

About natural rent and Russia's inefficiency




Look, funny, huh? (Prices fell - it began to arrive less, but still - a lot). And every honest Belarusian can scratch his head: Russia is a gas station country. Clear. A respected economist operates with funny terms: it is still a lot. As a preschooler about (who still does not know how to count).

Any serious analysis involves tsifir. So, if you look at the numbers ... Yes, Russia exports almost at the level of the Saudis. But she has more than five times the population. So she also herself consumes this magical liquid (transport, industry, heating!). So net exports per capita are very small. It is a pity that many “economists” do not like to turn to figures and prefer to operate with slogans. Russia retains more than half of the oil produced (share of gas exports is less than 30 percent!). Kazakhs and Azeris to 90 percent of the oil produced are driven for export. Three-quarters of the oil produced is sold to tolerant and technologically advanced Norwegians.



Sorry for the bluntness, but the level of "economic analysis" below the plinth is a country-gas station, a country-gas station ... There are countries for which oil is all. And not so little of them on the map. And they have no other perspectives. But this is not Russia.



Saudi Arabia - lives at the expense of oil and oil alone, Saudi Arabia is an absolute monarchy, KSA is a breeding ground for Wahhabism and terrorism. but their no one insults, very respected and worthy people. Reliable partner. Someone called KSA "Wahhabi gas station"? But the way it is! And Qatar in Belarus none does not offend, moreover ...

For Russia, oil means less and less and less ... in a decreasing process. Why? It's simple: Russia did what neither Belarus nor Ukraine could do, and to carry out reforms. To bring the reforms of the state and the economy to a certain stage. But neither in Kiev nor in Minsk no one wants to admit it, categorically.

And what does the same “Belarusian economist” offer? And everything is simple and predictable: “Another way is to try to get on the development trajectory. There are quite a few examples of countries that have entered such a trajectory. And in conditions much worse than ours today. This - and Korea, and Taiwan, and Turkey, and China. "

No, of course, you can even dream of a "banana-lemon Singapore." Where few were from Belarusians and almost no one worked or lived. A respected economist cannot understand one thing (or is deliberately silent): both Korea, Taiwan, and China have risen due to external financial pumping and access to the American market. Or do you think people passed good laws, started working and everything turned out?

You just need to study their economics in detail, with numbers, facts, and data layout by year. To study, Carl, and not retell advertising brochures. Yes, even earn you, but if there is no funding and access to interesting markets, nothing will come of it. Labor in itself means little. I understand, I want to believe that "we will succeed in everything." Not a fact, most likely will not work.

And as we began to dream of “Singapore” in 80, they can’t stop at all. Far Eastern "tigers", Baltic torn cats ... All this nonsense. We must not “imagine”, but clearly understand the economic situation and our opportunities. Any experiments in this area are extremely costly for the people. The modern Belarusian position: “And we will try” - looks rather strange.

The economy, first of all, is intended not for interesting “experiments”, but for ensuring the minimum living standards of the broad masses (suddenly, yes?). Although of course, from a liberal point of view, the broad masses themselves are only a resource for that very economy. But from the point of view of a normal person, before doing something cardinal with the national economy, you need to ask yourself: what are we going to feed the people with?

The Belarusian economy, in fact, enjoyed all the advantages of being in the economic space of Russia - duty-free trade and cheap energy. At the same time, practically nothing is given in return, the “nipple system”. And how did it end? Economic collapse. And here we begin the experiment.

Quote further: “But for this ... a clear understanding of the goals, where we want to go, and super efforts are needed. South Korea undertook such super-efforts when modernization was carried out thanks to the political will of the government, tough decisions at the state level, to the extent that 40% of GDP was invested in the development of new technologies.
This is an investment. And as Sigmar Gabriel, head of the Social Democratic Party of Germany, said: "The level of investment is always a measure of how firmly a country believes in its future and how it is ready to solve problems."
Alexander Obukhovich.

That is, the next splendid reasoning about a great investment is far away ... Frankly: any sensible journalist can “cosplay” Obukhovich and his ilk, endlessly and with kilometers to write articles about Singapore and Hong Kong and the correctness of the investment strategy. Dozens of kilometers. I personally met such nonsense about twenty years ago ... Do you want to live on what, gentlemen, are you?

Will you bow to Mr. Sigmar Gabriel, the head of the German Social Democrats? When the country's economy is already behind the brink of death, and leading economists argue about the need for some "investment", it becomes scary. If even now we start developing the Republic of Belarus according to the most magical scenario of South Korea, then hunger and cold cannot be avoided all the same: serious results will be in ten years. If they will.

But in order to realize the “Korean version” in Belarus, Mr. Gabriel must build dozens of modern factories in Belarus, and the EU must buy their products. Then maybe ... But why is this the EU, why is it Germany, and most importantly, why is Sigmar Gabriel? Everything is fine with them / there are enough problems without Belarus. Ukraine is completely under the control of the West, and there is fabulously cheap rabsila,but nobody builds plants. Amazing right? Build plants themselves and at their own expense? Already tried. It turned out badly with "expansion".

This, you know, is a purely Soviet approach: the main thing is to develop production, and sales are guaranteed. Under capitalism, they do not do that. Tomorrow the capitalist can unleash a lot of production, if someone guarantees his sales. So, at one time, during the very Crimean War (the war was Not only in the Crimea!) the same Nobel over-rich. And why? And the sale of its products was the Russian government guaranteed.

You see what the ficus is: at your own expense and in the free market you will be developing production for a very long time ... You could say infinitely long. After WWII, Europe and Asia were thoroughly destroyed, so, the Americans gave them a chance: technology, investment, orders. Clear, not for free, by no means. 100% political loyalty and subordination to American capital interests. And trying to repeat this miracle just like that, without having political support ... Well, this is insane.

So Poland and Romania tried to get onto the world market under socialism. They took, therefore, loans (in currency from Western banks), bought equipment (from Western suppliers for currency). They deployed, which means production in anticipation of Sberbarys and superdevelopment ... And the Westerners have to buy products from them (for currency!) And refused. Suddenly. And more interest rates on loans raised, which is typical (the contract must be read carefully!).

We have active fliers, something like this turned in 90-e, selling super-expensive fabrics for sneakers, for example, which then promised to buy at ultrahigh prices. The end is a bit predictable. Without a sucker and life is bad. If the rustling of money is heard, it means that the goof has gone to spawn ... By the way, for some reason this history has been little studied (not with slippers, of course). But when huge foreign currency loans hung on the country, the sad consequences of this were declared “the inefficiency of socialism”.

In general, all the arguments of the Belarusian economists are quite simple to understand: they proceed not so much from economics, but from politics. Popularity, hell, earn, very active. They say not what they really are, but what the Belarusians want to hear. The only trouble is that it has the most remote relation to the dull reality.

“The liberal ideas underlying the Russian“ development model of 2000's ”led to the fact that this“ model ”did not just exhaust itself. It simply failed, creating a strategic impasse for the development of the country. ” Alexander Obukhovich.

Reminds an old joke about a monkey with a banana peel and an overly curious crocodile:

- Well, you are a fool, monkey!

- Fool is not a fool, but I have fifty bucks a day!

It’s great, of course, that an economist from the fraternal Belarus gives a “tough and honest” assessment of the Russian model. The problem is what it is: fraternal Belarus has lived for the past two decades due to this model. And nobody told us thanks. That very “model of 2000's development” provided first of all the closure of the issue of the “second civil war in Russia”. If anyone does not remember, at the end of 90's the country was on the verge of such a war. Just do not here now smiling wickedly and waving his hand: the story, of course, has no subjunctive mood, but it is quite an alternative development.

And in spite of any sanctions, Russia after the “zero” is no longer the Russian 90. Have occurred Quality changes. What is the misunderstanding between us and Belarusians / Ukrainians. We went through the “post-job”, and they got stuck there. Neither Belarusians nor Ukrainians have a positive post-Soviet experience in economic development. Hence the difference in psychology and assessment of what is happening.

And neither Ukrainian nor Belarusian economists can admit that it was necessary not to show off with “European integration”, but to do reforms together with Russia. Today, the Russian economy has ensured the rearmament of the army, which Germany cannot allow itself (“why should it?”). And the same economy provided a year of high-tech war in Syria (something like that neither Japan nor Germany will pull in any way and even not pull together).

But talking about it is bad form. But the operation of the VKS in Syria (like the Olympics in Sochi) is a presentation of the possibilities of the new Russia. And the West noticed and noted (was forced) and the rest of the planet, too. Russia-2016 is a much more significant state in the international arena than Russia-2013. No one would have to conduct long negotiations with the country of the gas station.

Critical statements of Russian economists about the Russian economy are just normal for a free society. Free discussion and objective criticism are markers of a normal approach to solving problems (not only economic ones) and to government in general. To accept the statement of an individual economist (or even a group of such) as the ultimate truth is quite naive.

The position of the Belarusian economists is clear that, they say, Russia is still as bad (no better) with the economy, they just have “oil and gas”. Say, we have all the same. Alas, not all and not the same. In Russia (in contrast to Belarus and Ukraine), at the moment, there is no admiration for the Western model.

"In the US, 50 think tanks analyze and predict the future." Alexander Obukhovich.

Wonderful, just great. Well, they did not predict the growth of the US government debt to 20 trillions, these same think tanks, they think tank? Or was it absolutely uninteresting to them?

You understand what the trouble is: our Belarusian / Ukrainian colleagues rely on the Soviet / post-Soviet experience and yesterday / the day before yesterday’s Western propaganda when assessing the overall situation. They have no positive post-Soviet experience in economics and state-building. There is an experience of endless "telepany" in the post-Soviet swamp that some have, others have. At the same time, they piously believe that Russia is “teleping” with them in the same swamp. And they want (secretly) out of this taiga swamp. Here they are great.

Today, the difference in the standard of living between the neighboring regions of Russia and Ukraine is becoming quite indecent. And is it all oil? All gas? Is the Olympics in Sochi also oil and gas? And the operation in Syria? Is everything bought for petrodollars? Spaceport Free? Petrodollars? And why Saudi Arabia is not building space centers? And why did KSA in Yemen squeal? Petrodollars of the wrong system?




Army countries gas stations. Successful invasion

Guys, you check it out just in case: we are no longer with you “in one swamp”, something like that. Many economists need to understand one very simple thing: an economist and a political agitator are two very different professions. Absolutely nothing in common.

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  1. +5
    5 December 2016 07: 49
    But many economists need to understand one very simple thing: an economist and a political agitator are two very different professions.

    Political agitators do not need to forget about this either.
    1. +11
      5 December 2016 08: 59
      All over * the world *, and even in the USA, there are private companies and some very cash ones. And in all, without exception, the manager who made the losses must carry out * under the knee *. Someone who cannot prove their own * project * will never be funded.
      It’s only in RUSSIA * the economists who worked * are still advising and, moreover, they demand economic reforms after the failure of their own * ma .. perturbations *.
      It is a pity that there is still no responsibility for acts in the country's economy. These figures would work for a private * uncle * they would not just take off their pants. Would be happy just to survive. And it is so important that they walk imposingly. They also give out tips and teach.
    2. 0
      6 December 2016 08: 43


      Quote: Makk
      Sorry for the bluntness, but the level of "economic analysis" below the plinth is a country-gas station, a country-gas station ... There are countries for which oil is all. And not so little of them on the map. And they have no other perspectives. But this is not Russia.


      judging by the data in the table given by the author should:
      share in% of oil exports - 45,2, gas 29,6.
      total oil and gas - 74,8% from all exports.
      a serious figure, there is something to take care of.
      ps I work at a factory, our Head is always very guarded if the share of profit from one of our regular customers exceeds 20%! fears the consequences of the loss of such a customer, in which case the plant’s revenues will plummet by tens of percent. which is naturally dangerous for economic stability.
      the mechanics of a plant’s economics and a larger organization are about the same
      1. +4
        6 December 2016 08: 58
        share in% of oil exports - 45,2, gas 29,6.
        total oil and gas - 74,8% of total exports.


        Damn, the share of exports in mining
        IN THE MINING, Carl

        that is, how much do we ship from the mined
      2. 0
        10 December 2016 16: 02
        Read carefully 45,2%, and 29,6% is the share of EXPORT from production and not the absolute share in the country's export. These are completely different figures.
  2. +33
    5 December 2016 07: 52
    Sorry, but the real incomes of the majority of the population of the Russian Federation have fallen several times and if some of the inhabitants of the `` beggar's valleys '' have to visit the Canary Islands less often, then others will soon have to start saving on food and medicine, and some have already been brought to this level. You will again start writing to me that they say these people are alcoholics and do not want to work, but 85% of the population of impoverished and half-impoverished Russia cannot be alcoholics who do not want to work. Maybe the whole problem is in you and in your desire to lead Russia, which is clearly ahead of your mental abilities, because apart from raising taxes on the bulk of the already impoverished and half-impoverished population of the Russian Federation, you are not able to offer any other means of replenishing the budget of the Russian Federation ?! At the same time, you do not forget to accrue salaries of 500 thousand rubles a month or so to yourself and your ilk, pay bonuses and undergo treatment in special clinics against the backdrop of an outright failure of your public health reforms!
    1. +7
      5 December 2016 09: 05
      Correctly wrote everything. I will subscribe to every word.
    2. +4
      5 December 2016 09: 55
      "But 85% of the population cannot be destitute and half-destitute" - And what we have 22 million, seemingly beggars, is already 85% of the 147 million population?
      1. +12
        5 December 2016 10: 37
        Well, there are 22 million beggars, the rest are on the brink of that, with the exception of the Rublevsky and the hedgehogs with them, who are in the Russian Federation at most 15%. So most of those who shout that the Russians supposedly have to go to work and quit drinking themselves did not work a single day, but red caviar is consumed daily and multiplied like round and ribbon worms in the body, whose name is Russia, causing him great harm.
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          1. +10
            5 December 2016 14: 11
            I'm also wondering what a "half-beggar" is?
            And then 20 million below the poverty line, is it poverty or poverty? These are, by the way, different things.
            Here I have 8 people in the department - my deputy. two craftsmen, an economist, a senior storekeeper and 2 storekeepers. ALL have apartments, cars, villas. This is not Moscow or the Moscow region and far from Rublevka.
            Salaries from 18 to 30 thousand
            They were not hungry, not in shoes, not undressed, and could afford to go to Turkey or Egypt for a week. Are they "beggars", "half-beggars", or do they live normally? Not chic, but live normally? Of course, they don't change cars every year, they don't eat caviar every day, and they don't change fur coats once a year, and pants not in 50 pairs.
            And yet, in what category do they belong? And most in Russia are about the same.
            Of course, Russians do not fatten, but 85% of the poor and half-poor are obviously too much. To put it mildly, not true.
            1. +5
              5 December 2016 15: 32
              Quote: Tula gingerbread
              Here I have 8 people in the department - my deputy. two craftsmen, an economist, a senior storekeeper and 2 storekeepers. ALL have apartments, cars, villas. This is not Moscow or the Moscow region and far from Rublevka.
              Salaries from 18 to 30 thousand

              This is not even the middle class. Let's analyze ????
              From 30 - from 2500 rent so up to 5?
              already 25-27500 to eat at work min1500 already 23000 26000 so. Further, children 2e for one meal for a family of 15000 minimum need not blinking 8-11 left to put on a shoe fill the car. Poverty is
              1. +3
                5 December 2016 19: 21
                This is if for one person, but as a rule two people work in a family, if they are not pensioners. So not 30 thousand, but about 40-50 thousand per family. and then you write and eat what you eat, etc. What kind of poverty is it if a person is not hungry, he has housing, all appliances, a TV, as a rule, not one, a washing machine, a refrigerator, etc. Yes, and the car. I think the Tula carrot was a little exaggerated when he said that almost everyone in Russia has a car. But half of the families definitely have ..
                Poverty is something else. But of course you are also right, it is difficult to attribute them to the middle class. But they are far from beggars and not "half-beggars".
                No need to exaggerate. Although of course with the policies of the current economic bloc of the government, there is a chance that the number of those whose incomes are below the poverty line will increase.
                1. +2
                  6 December 2016 03: 42
                  If a person has all his income spent on food and utilities, then this person is frankly poor, he is half-poor because he does not have enough money even for treatment. In general, such as you yourself need to live on that kind of money, otherwise you yourself live on 500000 rubles a month and think that others have enough for 20000 rubles ...
              2. +2
                5 December 2016 19: 23
                Quote: Ustinov 055 055
                This is not even the middle class. Let's analyze ????
                From 30 - from 2500 rent so up to 5?
                already 25-27500 to eat at work min1500 already 23000 26000 so. Further, children 2e for one meal for a family of 15000 minimum need not blinking 8-11 left to put on a shoe fill the car. Poverty is

                That is, your family consists of only dad and two children, and for you this is the so-called standard family.
                In the same way I get about 30.000 rubles + what my wife gets (oh yes, she turns out the same can get something)
                And there is a car that we refuel
                And I want to say that we do not live in poverty, and let’s say so, far
                And there are those who work with me and they get 15-20 tr. and do not believe it, they no longer need. It will be said more precisely that they would like more, but they don’t want to hit a finger with their finger to get it anymore. At the same time, it seems that people are far from being stupid, but to the question: Why can’t you find something better? You get the answer: Do I need it?
                Or when you come to the work center and there is 30 foreheads sitting, you offer a job for the same 15-20 tr, and they don’t need it for a fix, they have been sitting in the work center for more than a year and wait for the manna from heaven to fall
                1. +1
                  6 December 2016 03: 45
                  Well, of course, the usual thieves' song that everyone around them, except Chubais and they don’t want to work and do not deserve a better life ... People like you will bring the Russian Federation to the revolution, you don’t want to hear anyone except yourself, and you yourself are stuck.
                  1. +2
                    6 December 2016 12: 08
                    Do you not like your life?

                    To begin with, calm down, drink a glass of water. Unlike 185 million people, you don’t have to take water from an open surface water reservoir and try to clean it. Open the fridge and shake something, preferably sweet, the sweet raises the mood. Ah, you want nothing? A piece in the throat does not climb?

                    But 870 million people like you would be happy and stale bread. And don’t slam the door like that, one seventh of our planet lives on the cost of your very budget refrigerator for a year. Now go to the bathroom, wash yourself, freshen up, into another room, and not outside, as 3,2 billion would have done, and two and a half billion people would have done it in the light of a kerosene lamp, candle, or maybe a bonfire.

                    Refreshed? Calmed down? Fine. Since instead of sleeping or working, you are sitting on the Internet and reading this post (which means you have money for a computer and the Internet), then most likely you live more than $ 300 a month, which means you are included in 17% of the lucky people of this planet. Still sure your life is crap?
                    1. 0
                      6 December 2016 13: 56
                      Oh, you are comparing Russia with Africa ?! Don't you think that if you are throwing a show-off about Russia as a European and civilized country, then you need to compare not with Africa, but at least with Uruguay, which is far from today's Russia like the moon ?! I am not interested in the problems of the whole World and I somehow deeply do not care that there in Africa, in our country and in the Russian Federation, there is far from everywhere central water supply. Would you like to go with buckets for water ?! And into the sarter on the street ?! And people do not live in Africa, but in the Russian Federation, and even if we take into account all the emergency housing, Khrushchev houses and the so-called `` old fund '' of which there is almost no left in Moscow, but life also exists beyond the Moscow Ring Road, and she is there completely different ...
                      1. 0
                        6 December 2016 16: 43
                        Quote: Krayt
                        But doesn’t it seem to you that if you throw show-offs about Russia as a European and civilized country, then you need to compare not with Africa, but at least with Uruguay, to which today's Russia is far from the moon ?!

                        Well this is necessary, as we are far from Uruguay! It’s directly interesting that they have something in Uruguay that Russia is far from? Can the water supply to each, the most rural house let down? Or are there no direct toilets? Interestingly, but is there electricity in all the villages there?

                        Russia is a completely European and civilized country. The only trouble is that many expect that Putin will personally build a warm toilet and a water well for them.
                  2. +1
                    6 December 2016 12: 16
                    And I would like to note that I did not say that the rest are NOT WORTHY for a better life. However, in order to get this better life, you need to do something, and not sit on the fifth point. Believe me, I have lived and seen a lot, and I realized one simple thing: Everyone gets as much and lives as he respects and appreciates.
                    You can love and respect yourself, will fall into narcissism and narcissism, but .... I do not think that it will bring any kind of results. Return to reality, understand the simple thing, if YOU do not do something for yourself, then no one will. And do not forget that you need to set real tasks.
                    And then there are those that: I want a car, an apartment, a good rest and so on. You ask this: Where do you work?
                    Answer: No where, I am looking for work
                    Education 8 classes, work experience in fact not what, but all the same I want ZP 30k and no matter what.
                    Start with yourself first
                    1. 0
                      6 December 2016 14: 00
                      The lion's share of today's businessmen is crime of the 90s, and the remainder are descendants of the CPSU elite, who grabbed something from the people's property, by fraudulent schemes. So you want to get the registers, how did you go once ?! Well then, okay, so far you are preparing the loot ... After all, you have the lion's share of the country's population, they are alcoholics who do not want to work. Maybe you should look for another country with another people, for permanent residence ?!
                      1. +1
                        9 December 2016 16: 25
                        Quote: Krayt
                        After all, you have the lion's share of the country's population, it is alcoholics who do not want to work.

                        Note that you said this about it, I did not say that.
                        I just said that without a desire, a real desire to earn money, it will not work to get a normal salary. At the same time, it is worth recalling that with a normal RFP, one also has to work, and not just come to work.
                        Again, it is worth noting that I am not living in Moscow, but 230 km from Moscow, and I work not in Moscow, but in the same city in which I live. And I really don’t understand people from my hometown who are going to work in Moscow to receive a salary of 25t.r., while in my same hometown, I can easily find a job with a salary of between 20-25 tons .P.
                        At my very place, an aunt so darts to Moscow, works there as a nurse, receives 28 tr, while a nurse in the city receives 24 tr
                        To the question "aunt, do you need this? It is quite a reasonable answer: I have a daughter and a granddaughter there now
                        Again, I agree that this is not the situation in all parts of our country. There are regions where it is worse, but there are where it is worse. here I completely agree. And here the question is not even for the federal authorities. but to the locals. Why is the minimum wage in such places set at the minimum?
                        For example, the minimum minimum wage is now 6800 (I can be wrong), in our region it is 13t.r. Our governor made the right policy in his time, ask first of all your governors why you didn’t.
                        Or are you just like those about whom I spoke, you will sit and consider what is enough for me, and therefore not what to rock the boat.
                        Just look around you and see what happens to people. For the most part, people care less; they don’t care about everything that happens around. They can sob about their bad life, but at the same time do nothing to improve it.
            2. +3
              5 December 2016 16: 19
              Below the poverty line, it means the poor. If the housing and communal services costs 6-7 thousand, then the person receiving the 18000 rubles is a beggar. And a person needs to support his family, be treated, dress, at least sometimes somewhere to relax. You yourself would have lived on such amounts, then you would have understood how much. No, well, it’s clear that we have stealing officials who, with a salary of 18000-30000 rubles, drive Lexus cars, but they are not all of Russia. All Russia paws sucks looking at them ...
              1. +1
                5 December 2016 22: 21
                Ugh! Yes, we do not suck a paw! And our bears don’t walk in the streets! And a communal apartment from 6000 is with an apartment area of ​​90m2 !!!!!
                Fosgen, where do you get the amounts from? I explain to you in Russian: if a communal apartment is 6000, then the apartment has more than 90 square meters. And are these really poor people?
                1. +2
                  6 December 2016 03: 46
                  Well, then you do not live on the money voiced by you. I have an apartment less than 50 meters and a communal apartment of 6000, so that's enough to lie.
                  1. 0
                    6 December 2016 07: 54
                    This is not even in winter. Paying to the studio.
                    1. +1
                      6 December 2016 10: 42
                      You are completely lying, I spend 7000 for housing and communal services, and this is when I live in Voronezh, in Novosibirsk it costs more, of which 309 rubles is a payment for overhaul, 30 rubles is an intercom, 887 rubles is a payment for housing, 176 rubles for garbage disposal, 190 rubles for a telephone line, plus 2 rubles 50 kopecks per minute of conversation, 1 cubic meter of cold water 29 rubles, heating 930 rubles, I don’t remember the price of a hot won and general house expenses, and 1 square meter of electricity is 2 rubles 40 kopecks. You know how much the nurse gets. in Novosibirsk and Voronezh ?! Her patch for a manicure will not be enough for you, Madame Chubais ... And the fact that they pay, they do not pay on time .... Do you know how much they pay workers at VASO, or Rudgormash ?! You will die of hunger on their salaries ... At the VoronezhSintezkauchuk plant they pay about 25 rubles, but there they even removed the `` harmfulness '', and the work is such that after a year of such work, everyone has stomach ulcers ... You are stuck .. and have become insolent, and you are so far from the people that it is funny for me even to write to you ...
                      1. +1
                        7 December 2016 17: 06
                        In St. Petersburg, I pay for 35 km. m. in winter 4300 p.
                  2. +1
                    9 December 2016 16: 37
                    And I have an apartment of 64 sq.m and a full communal apartment with all the stray areas of 6500-7000, it depends on the month. At the same time, there is not a single meter, neither for gas, nor for water. Only on electricity, with which I do not particularly bother.
                    I have a comp running around the clock. under average load, a bunch of household appliances: microwaves, slow cookers, a cooler, a washing machine (two young children), the light is on in all the candles (yes there are LED lights), I do not save electricity to insanity, only it eats about 1000 a month. There is no meter on the water, and I am not going to set it, although I also pay about 1000 for water, plus heating about 2500, plus the rent itself 1500, plus gas, less than 1000.
                    But then, as I wrote, I do not save, but if you start saving on the same water, it will turn out well, in the same light the same will turn out not bad.
                    And do not forget that in the apartment I do not live alone, but with children and with my wife, who also has income.
                    There is such a joke: not knowledge frees your pockets from cash
                    For example, I work and at the same time I am on parental leave, as a result, I get only one double income from my family, plus what my wife receives.
                    It would be the desire to live well, but one desire is not enough. Like in that fairy tale, the grandmother wanted and what she got
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              1. +2
                5 December 2016 19: 23
                I tried to say this on a different topic, but so many defenders of the current government have fallen upon me that my mother does not grieve.
      2. +3
        5 December 2016 13: 50
        Quote: Vadim237
        "But 85% of the population cannot be destitute and half-destitute" - And what we have 22 million, seemingly beggars, is already 85% of the 147 million population?
        No, the remaining 100 with a small million are midgets. Where did you see the contradiction here?
        1. +5
          5 December 2016 14: 02
          Do you know who they call the poor and the half-poor? Those. Russians, most of whom have housing (their own, by the way), a car, work, a summer residence .... well, rogue people are simply rare. And such 85% laughing
          Boys, you have a good test and a lie.
          1. +4
            5 December 2016 15: 37
            Quote: nadezhiva
            Do you know who they call the poor and the half-poor? Those. Russians, most of whom have housing (their own, by the way), a car, work, a summer residence .... well, rogue people are simply rare. And such 85%
            Boys, you have a good test and a lie.

            as a rule, it’s all credit (except for work) - so its own only according to documents, but actually banking. And those who are not credit, then inherited from their grandparents (housing, cottages), which, in turn, provided this welfare of the USSR
            1. +1
              5 December 2016 22: 18
              Yeah, we have a loan. And in Europe they buy for cash and immediately to the property. And ten percent banks do not pay %%. And mortgage debtors are not thrown out of housing, and they are not given to refugees at home. Really right?
              And nonsense about credit and inherited cottages (the Russians can’t buy it themselves), he’s beyond reality, in principle. Such nonsense can only be written by a person who has never lived in Russia.
              1. +3
                5 December 2016 22: 40
                Quote: nadezhiva
                Such nonsense can only be written by a person who has never lived in Russia.

                Yes, there is no life beyond the Moscow Ring Road fellow laughing
                1. 0
                  5 December 2016 23: 03
                  Yeah. And also, here, in the Urals, bears, wolves, wild boars, moose))) In short, you don’t need to go to the store laughing
                  1. +1
                    6 December 2016 03: 49
                    You need to cry, but you laugh .... This laugh will very soon turn into bloody tears ... And about the interest on loans in the USA and the Russian Federation, if you compare them, you understand that the bankers of the Russian Federation misses Buchenwald ''
                    1. 0
                      6 December 2016 07: 58
                      The United States print candy wrappers and stimulate demand for its candy wrappers. Because whatever %% bid they want, they’ll draw one for themselves. And with Russia there is an economic war. Fershteen?
                      And do not croak us bloody tears. Do not wait. Russia has been vaccinated against any revolution.
                      1. 0
                        6 December 2016 11: 12
                        negative You are not Russia, and judging by your behavior, the vaccine obviously did not work. And the United States also does not like many people, but it does not bother them to live, maybe because they have Chubais and no company ?!
                  2. +1
                    13 December 2016 13: 20
                    Not surprisingly, a large regional city in the Tula province, personally encountered elk in the city. What does the especially witty not in the zoo.
                    So we don’t have to go to the same shops. As said: Stirbjorn: Yes, there is no life beyond the MKAD we have no life here, neither people nor animals. On the inside of the Moscow Ring Road it is clearly visible
          2. +4
            5 December 2016 16: 25
            negative Do you want 85% of Russia's population to be homeless ?! Well then, a boy soon like you will bring Russia to a civil war. Today, the Su-33 fighter crashed again, because on the only aircraft-carrying cruiser of the Russian Federation all landing cables are rotten. You have plundered everything, the whole country and everything is not enough for you, you still have to drive the people into the dugouts, otherwise he has apartments ... But you yourself do not want to go after Nikolay the Bloody ?!
            1. +1
              5 December 2016 22: 13
              Fosgen, are you Russian at all? nadezhiva by definition cannot be a boy wink You know what, gentlemen. In the process, you collapsed from an oak tree, watering Russians with slops.
              1. +1
                6 December 2016 03: 50
                `` Russians, too, '' have long been stinking from their own sewage, you have done so well that it is useless to water you with anything.
                1. 0
                  6 December 2016 08: 00
                  Poor you, my friend, began to sculpt in Russian. Are you tired? There is no easy money. Even when your job is to water the state of Russian wink
                  1. +1
                    6 December 2016 10: 23
                    stop negative You and Chubais are not Russian, so don’t tell my sneakers, gentlemen of rUSK, and do not call yourself my Homeland, my Homeland, this is not your dirty linen and not what it is wearing.
          3. +1
            6 December 2016 17: 07
            Mr. Lyashko, this is your URY ....
    3. +3
      5 December 2016 10: 43
      Quote: Phosgene
      there cannot be 85% of the population of impoverished and half-poor Russia who are not willing to work as alcoholics.

      And if - on the contrary?
      15% - the same "unwilling and unable"? ...
      Then - it all fits together! Well it is an equation with one unknown ... that is - known, certainly known! Surname, place of work ... even - incomes are known ...
      1. +3
        5 December 2016 11: 00
        So I think so. Out of merit, these 15% use 85% of Russia's income alone, while 85% of the Russian population survive on pennies.
        1. +2
          5 December 2016 11: 50
          Quote: Phosgene
          So I think so. Out of merit, these 15% use 85% of Russia's income alone, while 85% of the Russian population survive on pennies.

          We survive, survive, and will survive !!!
          ...probably...
          Well. we’ll definitely reach retirement!
          1. +2
            5 December 2016 12: 26
            Do not rush to reach the pension. Appreciate life!
          2. +5
            5 December 2016 14: 15
            Why pull? Live and the pension itself will come and don’t notice how. Came to me - already 12 thousand. While I continue to work, because there is strength and desire. And I want to pamper my grandchildren.
    4. +3
      5 December 2016 13: 07
      Quote: Phosgene
      At the same time, you do not forget to pay salaries of 500 thousand rubles a month to yourself and your kind, or so, to pay bonuses and be treated in special clinics against the background of the frank failure of your public health reforms!
      If it’s not a secret, who do you contact? To the author of the article?
      Quote: Phosgene
      there cannot be 85% of the population of impoverished and half-poor Russia who are not willing to work as alcoholics.
      And these are the figures, about 85% of the poor and half-humble from where?
      No, for some commentators on VO "Yaroslavna's cry" is, of course, a trend. But can you know when to stop? Everyone knows perfectly well how protest moods are created in society, but when individuals begin to move this towards fool Site administration, return the minuses.
      1. +3
        5 December 2016 13: 51
        Yes, yes, of course, it’s all the agents of the State Department of Propaganda that are letting us go; in fact, we are all grateful to the party and its leader personally, for everything that they do for us and our steadily growing prosperity. We will be even more grateful when we go to retire at 65. Administration of the site, return the minuses in order to inflict an En-Putin moral and psychological blow to the souls who sold Obama laughing
        1. +2
          5 December 2016 13: 57
          Well ... see, see wink team hired to counter campaigning from the Kremlin in action laughing Already screaming about how in Russia everything is bad and even worse. By the way, it seems that in Germany the level of the poor was only around 20%. Do you want to go there? Or pay more for work in the hated Russia?
          Administration, indeed, return the cons.
          1. +8
            5 December 2016 14: 49
            Return, return ... And then we'll see who promotes whom. wink To Germany? The guys there are average social 600 oyro. This is for parasites. The average salary is 2000 oyro. Less than half or a little more. The result is not in our favor, whatever one may say ... But this is lyrics because Germany is interested in the Germans. I’m more interested in our sheep. And now you don’t know where we are from, tell us how to live, for example, for a teacher with a higher education with a salary of 11 thousand rubles, with a delay of two weeks at almost Moscow prices? Or try to work as a fireman in a year 61? How's that prospect? Well, which of us is on the salary of the State Department? Guys, I don’t know how it is in Moscow, but it seems to us from behind two hillocks that the notorious protest moods are being stoked by the government ...
            1. +3
              5 December 2016 15: 10
              The average social is 600? And the average price for 1-piece, 2-piece and 3-piece? In Euro laughing And compare with Russia? Prices in capitals do not take into account.
              weakly wink
              And about the delays s / n municipalities you do not even sing. One !!! a complaint to the prosecutor's office puts the entire municipal authorities in an odious position. By the way, educators with experience of 11 do not get, well, nothing. And young people .... these lawyers and economists from 12-15 sometimes start.
              So what about housing prices? Compare?
              1. +7
                5 December 2016 15: 34
                Not weak. You want to tell me what poor Germans are and how they suck to live ?! My dear! I know very well how "shitty" they are, because a whole bunch of friends and relatives live there. Their main problem now is, as it were, not to live shitty as a result of the raid of freeloaders, but very far from the sad picture you are drawing. I will probably disappoint you a lot, but a good house and a new car are not a problem there because it is easy to get a loan at one and a half percent without much damage to the family budget. I have been there several times and none of our Russian Germans lives there in poverty, some specimens even manage to thump without working from the word at all. Now to our realities, they interest me much more. For a small-sized odnushka, I will unfasten 11 thousand per month for 20 years, and this is about 40 percent of the family budget with a constant tendency to increase this proportion. The rest is for food. I don't like this prospect. My wife and I are a state employee, maybe as your leader, who LADIES, offer to go into business? And who will put out the fires and teach the children? A gang of parasites of deputies and accountants whom you littered here? And then they settled well, that they are not starting to scream about the Maidans ...
                1. +2
                  5 December 2016 18: 22
                  I’m sure to disappoint you, but a good house and a new car is not a problem there, because it’s easy to get a loan at one and a half percent without much damage to the family budget. I have been there several times and none of our Russian Germans are in poverty there, some copies even manage to plump without working from the word at all.


                  1 Know Russian gets Germany job last
                  2 Life there is somewhat more expensive than in Russia
                  3 Finding a job even with a salary of a thousand Euros is not as easy as it seems.
                  4 By the way, even purebred Germans find a job for a thousand Euros is not so simple. request
                2. +1
                  5 December 2016 19: 33
                  You know, I read both those who are for and those who are against, and I will say a simple thing. The truth, as always, is in the middle, and we all tend to exaggerate. The problems in the country are of course immeasurable, and not all of them are from sanctions and oil prices, more from our "native" government, which is busy with anything, but not working for the development of the country and improvement life of its citizens. Stupidly share the budget and that's it.
                  But despite this, life in Russia is not as gloomy as some paint it. And of course, Russia is one of the richest countries in the world, if not the richest, if national wealth is divided into each inhabitant and it is shameful, of course, that such a rich country has such an unbecoming standard of living. here you are right.
                3. 0
                  5 December 2016 22: 43
                  So, not weak. But you did not answer the question about the cost. Good. I will answer. So.
                  Real estate prices in Germany, euro / m² (2016)
                  The following territories were taken:
                  Munich, West Germany, East Germany
                  Apartment: 6 - 800, 7 - 000, 2 - 500
                  Cottage, villa: 6 - 000, 7 - 750, 3 - 000
                  Luxury real estate: 10 - 000, 25 - 000, 09 - 000

                  Convert to rubles?
              2. +5
                5 December 2016 15: 39
                Quote: nadezhiva
                So what about housing prices? Compare?

                compare mortgage rates, for starters
                1. +1
                  5 December 2016 22: 49
                  Pffff. What for? If the amount of overpayment is known (and this is not a secret). We add to the initial cost the amount of the overpayment. But even in this situation, European real estate is more expensive. And if you still voice the magic amount of content laughing
              3. +7
                5 December 2016 16: 44
                What planet do you live on? Or in what empyreas soar? Receive, still receive. The prosecutor’s office? Court? Yes, right away from work you fly upside down with a tightly spoiled labor without waiting for a showdown that can be considered for years. What about housing prices? Sucks with the prices. Odnushka ceiling, kopeck piece is already sky-high, treshka is a luxury for millionaires. Although in Soviet times, for a family with two children, a three-ruble note is the standard when receiving housing in turn.
                1. 0
                  5 December 2016 22: 56
                  Treshka in Soviet times was not the standard for families with 2 children. With same-sex children they gave a kopeck piece. This is the first.
                  Second, at prices. Odnushka 1-1.2 million. Dvushka 1.6-2.0 million. Treshka from 2.4 million. It is in the city with a population of one million, but not always the center.
                  For sporting interest, take a look above prices in magical Germany. I promise: you will laugh for a long time. Even with a zero mortgage rate, prices will be sky-high. The first digit is Munich, the second is western Germany, the third is eastern. Do not forget to convert from euros to rubles)))
                  1. +3
                    6 December 2016 06: 20
                    Are you an employee of a real estate agency for life? This explains a lot ... That's when our Germans will massively rush to sell their terribly expensive and overwhelming mansions (my sister and husband built one from scratch in 4 years) in Germany and rush back to "cheap and prosperous" Russia, that's when we'll talk. quite the opposite ...
                    1. 0
                      6 December 2016 08: 02
                      Didn't guess from the word "absolutely". Let's wait about 5 years. And then we'll see: who will kill whom in the end. Germans are migrants or vice versa.
                      1. 0
                        6 December 2016 12: 25
                        A Russian German migrant scare about anything. Not burdened with multicultures, they are able to fend for themselves. No wonder our youth there built the Turks for two times.
                  2. +3
                    6 December 2016 06: 26
                    In 1988, my parents received a three-ruble note with two same-sex children. Now I can only dream of this and lick my lips ...
                  3. +2
                    6 December 2016 07: 06
                    You want to say that for 1,6-2 million rubles you can buy a new apartment in the regional center of Russia ?! Have you tried it yourself, but a fed up storyteller ?! If you buy in the Grafskaya type station, which was attributed to Voronezh, where my relatives live, it’s possible, but it’s actually not a city, but a very distant suburb, with very lousy transport links, almost long-distance and the fare is higher than the city .... To put you in your place, I’ll say simply - Germans are not attracted to life in the Russian Federation, and Russians cannot obtain German citizenship. So you would be better silent ... You and your Chubais are stuck and so far from the people that you yourself are better off looking for yourself a new country to move to permanent residence ...
                    1. 0
                      6 December 2016 08: 05
                      In the levee? No problem. Choose a reliable developer and go. In Moscow suburbs odnushki from 1.2-1.5. In the regions, the price is almost the same as in the suburbs, slightly lower.
                      Prices fell slightly. Nobody noticed?
                      1. +2
                        6 December 2016 10: 14
                        In a levee, with rough finish and outside the city, you wanted to say ... So it’s not in the city and you will have to invest at least 1 million rubles in such an apartment to turn it into a living room ... Prices fell slightly outside the city .. .
                    2. 0
                      7 December 2016 17: 08
                      took a mortgage last year on DDU studio 27 square meters. m. with decoration in the center of St. Petersburg for 2 million rubles. Wait another year. It’s cheap for Peter, but it’s a fact.
                      1. +1
                        7 December 2016 19: 43
                        And if you take a room in a hostel, or a communal apartment, it will be even cheaper, but this is not an apartment, this is a hut, in fact, without amenities, or with minimal amenities. There is talk about what should not be called budgetary housing for an apartment of 150 meters and that the owners of such apartments, or large in size, must pay a luxury tax. Because such apartments, for the majority of the population of the Russian Federation, are just luxury and, moreover, unattainable.
                    3. 0
                      29 May 2018 22: 01
                      Yes, do not need fairy tales. In Otradnoy, the apartment in the new building is 1,3 million. It is already built (three years ago) and with some kind of repair. And Otradnoye (specifically from the stop where the new buildings are) is 15 minutes by minibus to Pridel (a market, not a train station). And in a construction site in general, you can take a lam. As for transport - there, in Voronezh, it’s disgusting, wherever you live. But then there’s a 15 rubles minibus, and for example in St. Petersburg it’s 40-45, although you can’t say that the salary difference is three times that of Voronezh. however, in the same Otradnoye such palaces are being built - you’ll sway.
          2. +2
            6 December 2016 03: 53
            am negative And you and Chubais do not want to go home ?! Why are you sending Russians from Russia to Germany ?! Maybe you yourself need to pack your bags ?!
            1. +3
              6 December 2016 06: 24
              And so it will be ... When everything is completely overwhelmed and bankrupt, these guys with overpowering and misunderstood ungrateful people will go to the terribly expensive and impossible for Europe and America to live well-deserved rest to their accounts and villas.
              1. +2
                6 December 2016 07: 08
                Remembering the descendants of Khrushchev and others like him, I willingly agree with you. Here is Trotsky's ice pick '' they would have a `` gift ''
            2. 0
              6 December 2016 08: 07
              Russians)))), watering a well-known substance to their homeland can not be Russian. A-priory.
              The Russians, calling for a revolution, to overthrow the system can not be Russian. This is .... the citizens of the world. Without homeland.
              1. +2
                6 December 2016 10: 15
                am negative So you are not our homeland and not Russia. These are your Gaidars and Chubais are not Russian and you along with them ...
              2. +3
                6 December 2016 11: 58
                So do not bring the country to sin! Could the Emperor escape February ?! Could, if I hadn’t messed up where state affairs, and where family matters? Could VP escape October ?! Could it be if instead of solving pressing military and other problems it wasn’t engaged in demagogy and was not in the hobby of liberal dreams? Could the Politburo have avoided the collapse of the USSR? It could, if it managed to develop a sane economic program that meets new challenges and takes care of the proper education of party cadres. The current ones repeat the fate of their predecessors and lead the country to another collapse with criminal inaction in the economy, in the conditions of a systemic crisis and external pressure, reflexion in foreign policy and total irresponsibility, which pervades the entire state system, starting from the rural administration, ending with the administration and personally the GDP.
        2. +1
          5 December 2016 15: 34
          SUPPORT
      2. +3
        5 December 2016 13: 56
        .. "Site administration, return the cons" ...
        Reminds me, give me a gun! laughing
      3. +7
        5 December 2016 16: 29
        Yes, you have been in the red for a long time, people do not even go to the polls and do not vote for you, that is why you removed the point against all and the minimum turnout. am negative Protest mood ?! Yes, you create them yourself. Everyone comes to the store, receives bills for housing and communal services and a beggarly salary, which you do not even want to pay on time. What is not true ?! So why don’t you introduce criminal liability for violation of the labor code in the Russian Federation and not timely payment of salaries ?! Yes, because then you will have to be sent to prison the next day!
  3. cap
    +12
    5 December 2016 07: 55
    Guys, you check it out just in case: we are no longer with you “in one swamp”, something like that. Many economists need to understand one very simple thing: an economist and a political agitator are two very different professions. Absolutely nothing in common.

    "... economist and political agitator are two very different professions. Absolutely nothing in common."

    I completely agree with this phrase. Therefore, we will introduce a progressive tax scale gradually over the course of three years. Like in a joke about a talking animal.
    And where to rush tea is not 37 years old., Then before the war it remained, about the horror of the same three years with a little, we have time.
    But what about this? Mr. Oleg Egorov.
    "36 200 and 90 167 700
    amounted to the average monthly salary in the country in October 2016 (Rosstat) and the salary of the head of the state-owned Gazprom Alexei Miller in 2015 (Russian Forbes). The difference is almost 3 thousand times. The average Russian hard worker in his entire life (40 years) could not earn as much as Miller makes in a week. The income of the head of state-owned Rosneft, Igor Sechin, in 2015 was “only” 2,2 thousand times higher than the current average salary in the country. The people appreciate the managers they hired! "
    http://www.profile.ru/economics/item/113051-kto-l
    uchshe-otnimet-pensiyu
    Belarusians and Ukrainians didn’t have a hand here, and it’s hard to answer with irony, except perhaps bitter. hi
    1. +23
      5 December 2016 07: 59
      Yes, we live normally! here and the last "polls" do not lie! Yes
      1. +7
        5 December 2016 13: 39
        offset!

        and in general the author confidently proved with facts and figures that Russia does not depend on oil and gas and everything should be qualitatively good. Hooray.

        the question is what to do with the misunderstandings that appear from an empty wallet, vile medicine, pension, etc. and great statistics on the topic "get it all"?
        1. +4
          5 December 2016 14: 19
          The author forgot one more. Our sorrow economists also rely on Western investment. Listen to what the new economy minister says. development, and that’s all in the economic block, we’ll lower inflation to 4% per year and FOREIGN investments will flow in a full-flowing river.
          They are no different from Belarusian and Ukrainian.
          1. cap
            0
            5 December 2016 14: 49
            Quote: Tula gingerbread
            The author forgot one more. Our sorrow economists also rely on Western investment. Listen to what the new economy minister says. development, and that’s all in the economic block, we’ll lower inflation to 4% per year and FOREIGN investments will flow in a full-flowing river.
            They are no different from Belarusian and Ukrainian.


            Here is another pearl, the best banker in the world.
            Nabiullina called the main task of the Central Bank
            Today at 13: 47, views: 408
            The head of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation Elvira Nabiullina called the main goal of the department at the present time.
            According to her, these are actions aimed at so that the change in the ruble exchange rate does not affect inflation.
            http://www.mk.ru/economics/2016/12/02/nabiullina-
            nazvala-osnovnuyu-zadachu-cb.html
            1. +4
              5 December 2016 15: 26
              That's it about me. The light in the window is the inflation rate and this is the main indicator that should lead to an increase in foreign investment. And what the author writes is just the result of state, internal investments.
            2. cap
              0
              5 December 2016 15: 38
              Quote: cap
              so that the change in the ruble exchange rate does not affect inflation.


              If you transfer her words to the table in clause 2, the last line about the issue of rubles under the currency.
              It can be decrypted in this way, I will not lend with new money, because their increase will lead to an increase in inflation ..
              Even simpler, "we did not live richly, there is nothing to start."
              1. +2
                5 December 2016 19: 58
                Everything is simple here. Money supply really should provide commodity circulation. That is, the money supply should correspond to the quantity of goods.
                In developed countries, it is from 70 to 80% of the mass of goods. In Russia, according to Glazyev and other economists, this is 30-35%.
                That is, there is a strong underfunding of the real sector of the economy. As a worker in real production, I know this well. The manufacturer suffocates from underfunding and the inability to obtain a loan at an acceptable percentage.
                Our amount of money does not depend on the needs of the economy, but on the amount of currency entering the country. That is, a tight peg to the dollar and the dictates of the Fed.
                Any freshman in economics knows that finance is the blood of economics. What will happen to a person if they pump 70% of the blood from him? He will either be screwed up or fall into a coma.

                So our economy is in a coma, except for those sectors where the state investment goes.
                Our economic bloc in the government and the Central Bank have chosen the simplest way to fight inflation - withdrawing money from the economy. Those. pumping out blood. Although there are many other ways to fight inflation, the Primakov-Maslyukov-Gerashchenko government knew and used this very well.
                But these brains do not have enough desire, because for this you need to plow, and when to have fun on kursavels.
                Because Glazyev and speaks of add. emissions. It is not money that banks need to give, which immediately drag it to the currency exchange, but for specific projects., For reindustrialization. Even Zhirinovsky talked about this, and in the economic bloc of the government, like a wall of peas. The wall is impenetrable, indeed - the block is standing, no other idea except liberal can break through. Ugh, it’s pained, and if the country's competent economy is just huge, huge prospects.
      2. +1
        5 December 2016 13: 58
        About 98% did not guess. Less.
        Most Russians - 81% called themselves happy. Such data showed a social survey conducted by VTsIOM.

        Moreover, according to the center, this indicator is "high" in all socio-demographic groups. However, young people and Russians with high incomes are “more optimistic” than the elderly and those who complain about their wealth.

        When asked what makes them happy, the Russians themselves called family (20%), children (20%), “good work” (14%), health (13%) and their well-being (13%).

        VTsIOM conducted a survey from November 5 to 6 in 130 settlements. 1600 people over the age of 18 were interviewed.

        Read more at RBC:
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    2. +11
      5 December 2016 08: 03
      Quote: cap
      ) The difference is almost 3 thousand times. The average Russian hard worker in his entire life (40 years) could not earn as much as Miller gets in a week. The income of the head of the state Rosneft Igor Sechin in 2015 was “only” 2,2 thousand times higher than the current average salary in the country. Appreciates the people of managers hired by him!

      these are still understandable from where they are "pulling" - gas-oil .... and where does the "chief" of the Russian Post. The prize is more than 90 lemmas, a mystery! from the parcels natyr? what
      1. +2
        5 December 2016 08: 15
        From pensions from pensioners, or other benefits: children’s, invalids, .... And about loans in the mail.? Forgot?. That's where it all comes from. !!!!!!
      2. +1
        5 December 2016 12: 33
        All big bosses are entitled to bonuses, these are our laws. Even the deputies have only 5 paid assistants each. There used to be a poor stratum of intellectuals (I don’t consider "honored"), but now there is a fat stratum of deputies. This is what they generally produce, besides serving "crap" for their own kind?
        1. +4
          5 December 2016 14: 22
          My opinion is that it’s high time to reduce the number of deputies. Members of the Federation Council also need to be elected, one from the region, and not appoint 2 as now.
          And then the Federation Council. turned into a sinecure for those officials who either fined or someone's "their people".
          1. +2
            5 December 2016 18: 14
            it is extremism. attempt to overthrow the existing system or something
    3. 0
      5 December 2016 09: 59
      Just do not forget that there are millions of hard workers in Russia, and the head of Gazprom alone.
      1. +5
        5 December 2016 11: 07
        Just do not forget that 10% of the former party bosses chopped off 90% of the country's wealth, robbing the rest. So, do not forget that there is not one such "head", you are our diligent defender.
      2. cap
        +3
        5 December 2016 12: 21
        Quote: Vadim237
        Just do not forget that there are millions of hard workers in Russia, and the head of Gazprom alone.

        How can you forget about people who care about you, if not for them, Miller would not pull the whole country out of the communist swamp. Honor and praise be to them.
        1. +3
          5 December 2016 16: 34
          Yes, yes, here they are, slaves from the galley '' ha ha ha ...
    4. +2
      5 December 2016 10: 25
      But what about this? Mr. Oleg Egorov.
      "36 200 and 90 167 700
      amounted to the average monthly salary for the country in October 2016 (Rosstat) and the head’s salary


      To be honest - almost do not care
      I have been living in Russia all my life - and I know the system well.
      So I’m never surprised.
      Do you want to get involved in social justice?

      By the way, yes, to surprise an American with such a run of numbers is also problematic.
      C'est la vie, mon sher
    5. +1
      5 December 2016 13: 55
      Quote: cap
      Belarusians and Ukrainians didn’t have a hand here, and it’s hard to answer with irony, except perhaps bitter.

      So the whole article is based on the fact that Mr. Oleg Egorov lives well and nefig Belarusians teach everyone how to live. Already appeals about multimillion-dollar American investments in China are generally ridiculous. Well, the pancake was lucky for the Koreans, the Chinese and Singaporeans - the Americans took and gave so much wealth, but no, they still ran naked through the jungle. And the bastards do not want to help us fool
      1. +1
        5 December 2016 18: 17
        Well, damn it, the Chinese and the Singaporeans were lucky to the Koreans — the Americans took and gave so much wealth,


        the article is not talking a little about that. did not give wealth, but provided "a fishing rod and a pond with fish"
        somehow
        (by the way, provided for political purposes)
  4. +2
    5 December 2016 08: 07
    By all means, the economy of Belarus rests on integration with Russia.
    1. 0
      5 December 2016 10: 15
      Too late. The train left.
    2. +5
      5 December 2016 10: 56
      Quote: Victor N
      By all means, the economy of Belarus rests on integration with Russia.

      Victor You have mixed Ukrainian with ours.
      1. +1
        5 December 2016 20: 06
        So they got to the shameful status, the poorest country in Europe.
        Forgot the saying - an affectionate body of two queens sucks. Why was it tearing economic ties with Russia. which brought benefits to Ukraine. Lead on cookies, like savages on glass.
        The sweet promises that promised the golden mountains for a break with Russia and Russophobia turned out to be zilch.
        The Ukrainians considered themselves to be the most cunning, and they were divorced as .... I will not say, otherwise someone will complain again, the complainants are divorced. lol
  5. +3
    5 December 2016 08: 11
    Since the reform of the Ministry of Internal Affairs in 2011, the indexation of wages to employees of the internal affairs bodies has never been carried out. Even if it is assumed that 2012 the monetary allowance was indeed doubled, now its purchasing power according to official (!!!) inflation statistics has decreased to the level of 2. How do you source funds for re-equipment? For the olympiad? For a bridge to the Crimea? And this is with a permanent annual reduction
    1. 0
      5 December 2016 17: 36
      Quote: Ivan staryi
      How do you source funds for re-equipment?


      Our country has increased its investments in US treasuries, that is, in treasury securities, to $ 90,9 billion, according to statistics from the United States Treasury.
      It turned out that in the first summer month of this year, Russia increased reserves in US bonds by 3 percent, and over the year - by 21 percent. Our country now ranks 16th among the main holders of US government securities.
      Recall that in 2015, Russia owned securities for 72 billion dollars.

      What is not a source of funds for rearmament, 20 billion a year.
      Your deeds are wonderful.
      Russia is investing in the United States, a country that has imposed sanctions against Russia and considers Russia to be enemy No. 1.
  6. +12
    5 December 2016 08: 20
    Here, after all, the whole question is what to compare with. And all the time, these "smart people" are compared with the 90s. Of course, if you compare shit with shit, then yes, one pile is older, and therefore it smells less, and the color is different .. For some reason, no one, talking about "current" achievements, does not stutter about the period 70-80. when the economic growth rate was up to 7,8% per year (more than the USA and England combined). At the same time, for some reason, they do not remember that after the Second World War we lost almost 40% of GDP (England is about 1%, almost 30 million of the population (most of them are of working age and in their prime). But now we have built an "excellent model", although the model - she is a model - in laboratory conditions everything seems to be fine, but in practice it is complete .....
    1. +3
      5 December 2016 10: 14
      And nevertheless: today Russia is not 90's Russia.
      Quality changes.
      Of course I would like more and better.
      But what is rich ...
      1. 0
        5 December 2016 20: 11
        This is wrong. This is exactly what they want from us - rejoice in what is and do not twitch and do not bother us, who are "working" for your benefit around the clock, ungrateful.
        I do not call for the Maidan and express to the authorities what we think about them and the situation in the country is necessary.
        Here they will hear.
  7. +11
    5 December 2016 08: 31
    One point is not reflected - neither in this article, nor, apparently, in the criticized original (which I did not read).

    Only extremely stupid people can believe that oil and gas are frozen - it poked a pipe and pump yourself an over 100 years old. The mining technology is more serious than iPhone technology. I propose to friendly neighing over lovers of iPhones and their manufacturers. And who does not believe - I propose to see, for example, the architecture, structure of the Bovanenkovo ​​gas condensate field. Or the Astrakhan gas condensate field of deep occurrence. For Russian gas to go to Geyropa or (all the more so) Ukraine, it must go through a hundred stages.

    The gas station is translated into Russian as the country of the highest technology in the field of mining.

    A few more points. Russia is the greatest atomic power of all time; even close there is nobody who possesses such high technology. In my opinion, this is more important than the automotive industry. Russia produces the best weapons in the world - if you take the price-quality ratio. According to this criterion, the US weapons are much worse, and I don’t even want to remember the others. Until recently, Russia was a great space power. Here, unfortunately, the invisible hand of the market got to our assets. Although some things in this industry have remained at their best. So Russia needs to develop something in which it is traditionally strong.

    And returning to the gas station country. For unknown reasons, a completely abnormal dictatorship of the buyer, not the manufacturer, has developed in the world. This will be exactly as long as some irreplaceable natural resource (for example, indium) is exhausted, or until Russia, embittered by the attacks, stops supplying any resource (palladium, for example). What will happen to the automobile industry if 40% + annual turnover disappears from the market right away? I don’t even know. I think that the price will increase several times and, accordingly, palladium - not sold, but put in the Central Bank storage - will significantly increase the gold reserves of Russia.
    1. +4
      5 December 2016 09: 21
      hi And it always makes me happy when tears of envy are heard in the iksperdov replicas (about the "gas station country"). ("Well, bastards - well, they have everything, but we, such correct ones, don't have it" crying ) Yes! Russia is a rich country! tongue
      1. +1
        5 December 2016 09: 24
        The richest. For any resource - from fresh water to gold - it occupies the top places in the lists (1-2-3, etc.). There is everything. smile
        1. +4
          5 December 2016 10: 55
          It seems that I have nothing to do with this wealth. People are separate, wealth is separate. It is all managed by our effective managers (officials). Very efficiently manage, mainly in your pocket!
        2. 0
          5 December 2016 20: 14
          The country and I also talked about this. But for some reason the population is not. Maybe because this wealth does not serve all the people of Russia?
    2. +1
      5 December 2016 10: 14
      Quote: Gormengast
      or until Russia, embittered by the attacks, stops supplying any resource (palladium, for example). What will happen to the automobile industry if 40% + annual turnover disappears from the market right away? I don’t even know.

      This is a weapon and it can and should be used as necessary. Only for this we need the extreme need and determination of the Supreme, which apparently has not yet come.
    3. +1
      5 December 2016 10: 16
      nor, apparently, in the criticized original (which I did not read


      And in the Belarusian press this is the standard - the reason for the difference in living standards in the Republic of Belarus and the Russian Federation is oil.
    4. +1
      5 December 2016 14: 00
      Quote: Gormengast
      The gas station is translated into Russian as the country of the highest technology in the field of mining.

      Only equipment is now being bought in the West, and in China. By the way, aircraft and shipbuilding industry were still developed in the USSR - where is it all now? where are our aircraft - Superjet half of the imported components or what?
    5. +1
      5 December 2016 18: 19
      Well, the equipment purchased here and drilled in permafrost
      and domestic or not or worthless
      the cable broke on the Kuznetsov and the plane sank. and on Mount Ai-petri, which in the Crimea, since the 70s, the cabins have been raised on Austrian cables, they refused from the domestic ones due to their low elasticity, that is, worthless
  8. +5
    5 December 2016 09: 03
    Judging by the comments on this article, most of the regulars are starving, and are close to hungry fainting. Many of the commentators sold the car and moved to a smaller apartment, turning the difference into a few bags of potatoes, fleeing starvation?
    Even the prices of basic products did not rise in price in two, and whose incomes fell several times. Yes, and in Belarus hungry for PAPERTI - I do not watch.
    1. +7
      5 December 2016 09: 11
      Interesting logic. While there is no mass impoverishment of the population and hunger riots - everything is fine in the country!
      Indeed, what to complain about ?! Rise in price EVEN not 2 times!
      We have a war! Sanctions! The country is in danger! Tighten the belts and unite! But do not tell me which point of sanctions directly affects the revenue of the federal budget? Sorry, I do not believe in the decline in oil prices at the request of Obama, Soros and others like them.
      1. +6
        5 December 2016 10: 04
        Quote: Ivan staryi
        We have a war! Sanctions! The country is in danger! Tighten the belts and unite!

        wassat and at that time the postmaster received 95 lyamo prizes! The article is clearly in favor of such gavnoedov.
    2. +7
      5 December 2016 10: 09
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      and whose income has dropped several times

      I have, most respected! Take the counting sticks and count: since 2012, the salary has not been indexed, i.e. the face value has not changed; the prices have grown a little during this time - adding up only these two factors we already get a decrease in the purchasing power of my salary by about half.
      1. +4
        5 December 2016 17: 06
        Well, that you, the hire of the State Department and personally Obama, so vilely slander the party and the president, whom, as you know, we should be grateful for life ... We are PROMISED to index our salary for as much as 300 (three hundred) rubles in the FUTURE year and we are immensely happy and promise rally around our government steadily and constantly fighting for the welfare of citizens of the Russian Federation .... wink
        1. 0
          5 December 2016 20: 19
          And it already was, spring passed, summer came, thanks to the party for this. Everything tends to repeat itself, on a new coil of spiral.
      2. +1
        5 December 2016 18: 19
        under Yanukovych it was better to live
    3. +3
      5 December 2016 14: 04
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Many of the commentators sold the car and moved to a smaller apartment, turning the difference into a few bags of potatoes, fleeing starvation?

      Well, well ... the experience of the Russian Empire and the USSR, periods of collapse, does not teach anything to see.
  9. +4
    5 December 2016 09: 08
    "Forgive me, gentlemen, oil is much more important in the economy of Kazakhstan (with a very small population). The oil industry is almost everything. But did it help Kazakhstan in the" well-fed XNUMXs "?"

    As a Kazakhstani, it’s a little surprising for me to read it. This means trampling Russia into the mud. Judge for yourself: in 2013, GDP (per capita) in Russia was $ 14680, Kazakhstan $ 13650, in 2015 Russia - $ 9054, Kazakhstan - $ 9795.
    Why is Russia's GDP falling faster than Kazakhstan's GDP? The point, of course, is not the sanctions. It's just that the principle "oil is everything" does not work for Kazakhstan either. For example, Kazakhstan mines about 23 thousand tons of uranium, in Russia - about 3,5 thousand tons.
    1. +2
      5 December 2016 10: 18
      As a Kazakhstani, it’s a little surprising for me to read


      And there it is said about Azerbaijan. Not only Russia produces oil. And for Azerbaijan / Kazakhstan, KUDA oil is more significant. But there didn’t work out any breakthrough on the basis of petrodollars, alas.
      Just the facts are nothing more.
      And what is there to be offended?
      1. +1
        5 December 2016 10: 24
        Unfortunately, like in Russia. Contrary to the author's opinion, the oil industry in Russia also turns out - "almost everything", if the result is the same - a decrease in GDP
        1. 0
          5 December 2016 20: 12
          In Russia

          a) war in Syria
          b) sanctions
          c) Donbass support against the junta

          and so on trifles like the Free spaceport
  10. +7
    5 December 2016 09: 24
    The proof that we all still live very well, cheerfully tells how her life is arranged, citing and refuting her own conjectures. You can blame Belarusians or someone else, since they don’t have the opportunity to answer. But other people's mistakes - it doesn’t matter whether it is Poland or Romania, can in no way justify their own stupidity ... And the economic situation our country is in is not only the result sanctions and falling oil prices, how much misunderstanding of the leadership, what can happen at all - when partners throw, and oil prices seem to suddenly fall ... When the foreign market is in priority over the domestic one - it should be the other way around ... unless you are going to strip this country to the skin .. when you need to develop production, not banks.
    Yes, and much more is interesting - is it to sell oil and gas, and to invest money in American papers - at what percentage? and let's compare with interest rates - in banks in the Russian Federation? for us, for citizens ... well, what’s not business - to rob their own people ... But what difference does it make to me how much Gazprom will sell gas there? A significant part of this money will go to the USA, and not to the Russian economy ..
    Author: Oleg Egorov is not an economist, but a political agitator ...
  11. +5
    5 December 2016 10: 01
    "It is difficult to invest and innovate when they want to destroy you. Just wipe you off the face of the planet."

    But what, has it ever been different in the history of Russia? Sorry no cons! The author clearly does not know what he is writing. The army was re-equipped - this is certainly good, but before that it was destroyed. The second question, at what cost was this rearmament! This is money that seems to have got into the manufacturing sector, but this did not make life better in the country. The shamefully low level of salaries is a retribution for the rearmament of the army. Re-equipment itself is not an achievement, IT IS A NECESSITY! And the fact that this has not been done before is a crime. The budget is still tied to oil and gas - is that normal? Under Stalin, there was not even any talk about the sale of oil and gas, but the country was developing. From plow to space! TO SPACE, CARL! And do not be equal to Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan! It is necessary to equal leaders in industry and technology! IN TECHNOLOGY, CARL!
    1. +2
      5 December 2016 11: 29
      Quote: uskrabut
      The shamefully low level of salaries is a retribution for the rearmament of the army. Re-equipment itself is not an achievement, IT IS A NECESSITY! And the fact that this has not been done before is a crime.

      Nobody sees the difference between "wages" and "living standards"?
      -------------
      ... Happiness is not in the "level of wages", but in the "standard of living"?
      or: Don't chase (chase) "levels", and you (you ...) will be happy! ... although - with such an attitude towards "levels" - it is unlikely ...
      Quote: uskrabut
      The budget is still tied to oil and gas - is that normal?

      Taldychat and taldychat, explain with figures and diagrams - not oil and gas, not from oil and gas, but from this and that - and that's why ...! But no - the "oil needle" comes up again !!!
      ... But when are you "nashiryatsya" !?
      1. +6
        5 December 2016 11: 34
        Quote: CONTROL
        Nobody sees the difference between "wages" and "living standards"?


        Being abnormal at work thinking about where to make money.
    2. 0
      5 December 2016 14: 07
      Quote: uskrabut
      It is necessary to equal leaders in industry and technology! IN TECHNOLOGY, CARL!

      It follows from the article that such grace is possible only with
      Quote: uskrabut
      A respected economist cannot understand one thing (or deliberately holds back): Korea, Taiwan, and China rose due to external financial pumping and access to the American market.
      I mean, the recipe is simple - external financial pumping and access to the American market fellow
  12. +3
    5 December 2016 10: 49
    Karl, who wrote the article and had dealings with Clara, leave the house and go to payment points, shops and social security offices, talk to "ordinary" people. They, Karl will tell you a lot of interesting things. And also read the article by Paul Craig, published recently, where it is said who approved Nabiullina in the Central Bank and what those whom you, Karl glorify, are doing. Although Craig is an enemy, but the only one who said about yours, yours, Karl, comrades, "bringing good" to the people. Yes, more, Karl, if he does not pay pensions and salaries, then you can attach a couple more palaces for "athletes", skating, attention Karl, on limousines and not having any victories in sports. Where is the bubble, Karl? People like me, not liberals, Karl will not understand you either, even though you, Karl, are a friend of Nabiullina and Gref with about comrades.
    1. +2
      5 December 2016 11: 48
      Quote: Tambov Wolf
      Karl, who wrote the article and had dealings with Klara, get out of the house and go to payment points, shops and social security offices, talk to "ordinary" people. They, Karl will tell you a lot of interesting things ..

      ... Better yet, Karl - well, "a little Aaron", you have to understand ... - talk to homeless people and porters in grocery stores! They're for you, Karl ... Aaron! - they will tell you how much the country's leadership is saturated with the liberal "democracy" that has been actively implanted in the last 30 years (started in advance, right?) - and she, this "liber ..." is an overwhelming minority not only among the population, but also in the country's political establishment ( and not only our country ...)!
      ... And they will explain to you, Karl-Aaron (well, Adam ..) - where do the Nabiullins, Mannerheims and Kolchaks come from ... and Raikins funded by the Ministry of Culture, and films like "Dear Hans, dear Peter", "Duelist" or "Good boy" and About love "... Marvel's" supermen "in the same stream - nicho-nicho, snot shook his fist, and - suddenly ... It struck! The spider-man-chalkor is an iron man! this is myself - I bit my ass, and all business!
      Have you seen and heard enough, Aaron-Adam? or is it Karl? ...
      --------------
      Dulles plan in action! and - wins?
      ---------------
      Hybrid warfare is not fiction, and it is not fought with weapons and force, but with concepts and ideologies!
      And here in this we - our country (or - not yours?) - lose to them!
      1. 0
        5 December 2016 22: 49
        I read your opus. Somehow it is not clear, already. Approximately like your avatar. You wonder where they got it? Already a fellow comrade is either stoned or bored. Yes, and the little nose is somehow not dumber Russian. What did you write about Aaronov there?
    2. +2
      5 December 2016 13: 38
      And talk to the soldier in the trench what he thinks about the plans of the General Staff and the strategy of war. He is then always visible from the trench. lol And a locksmith grinding a nut must be asked about the country's production development strategy until 2020. Obviously, everything will be explained for one or two. Who else needs to be questioned there? And they forgot the attendants at the entrance - that’s the answer to any question. fellow
      Do not fucking listen to anyone. Sure - do it. Failed - answer. And the talkers at the stalls have someone to listen to. angry
      1. +2
        5 December 2016 20: 33
        That's what the conversation is about - sit and do not rock the boat, we know better what to do and "the party is leading us to victory."
        And why such contempt for the locksmith? By the way, they all have at least a ten-year education and many are also interested in economics and politics.
        And where did you get the idea that geniuses are sitting in the government?
        Forgot words - judge them by their deeds. Something is not so hot.
        While there was a high oil price, all the inability and unprofessionalism of the economic bloc of the government was not visible, but when the price fell, everything went out and got out.
        All these would-be economists from one "Gaidarov's nest", all entirely theoreticians, did not smell real life and real production.
        For reference, read the "work" biography of the newly appointed Minister of Economic Development.
        You don’t need to be so scornful about people, and if they have no idea about macroeconomics, then they understand perfectly well about the real in their wallets.
      2. +2
        5 December 2016 22: 45
        If for you "our" liberal gentlemen from the government are geniuses of economics, then you need to go to Echo of Moscow. They will appreciate and love you. And here many of us are not on our way.
  13. +5
    5 December 2016 11: 46
    The article is inadequate.
    For Russia, oil means less, less and less ... a process is decreasing. Why? It's simple: Russia has done what neither Belarus nor Ukraine could do - to carry out reforms.
    Lord, what nonsense. Have we made a technological revolution, a scientific breakthrough? The process is going on in decreasing order ... go to any aircraft factory, look at what equipment the assembly is going on there. Hi 80 ...
    The volume of oil exports in 2010 year - 134,7 billion $, in 2013 g - 173,7 billion $ - growth 29%
    The volume of exports of industrial goods in 2010 - $ 21,44 billion, in 2013 - $ 28,34 billion - an increase of 32%. Those. over three years the share of industrial goods in the structure of exports has won 3%. An awesome process of "decreasing" oil share.

    And why is everyone counting the share of oil in GDP? Do you spend GDP on roads, kindergartens? GDP is a virtual, conditional indicator. You better calculate the share of the oil industry in the budget. The budget is real money that you can touch. Duck, the share of the "raw materials sector" in the Federal budget is about 35%.

    In the economy, our authorities are showing absolute failure. Pension rubles were converted to points and froze. Introduced fees for overhaul. In our city - the whole center is paid parking. Knocking out a place in kindergarten is the height of the resourcefulness of a young parent. And so on. Well, do not tell me, their reforms are successful ... Everything is very modest.
    1. +5
      5 December 2016 11: 58
      Quote: Alex_59
      Well, do not tell me, their reforms are successful ...

      So they have successful reforms, and we are not talking about us.
      People in Russia began to live better - the list is attached wassat
      1. +6
        5 December 2016 14: 08
        Quote: uskrabut
        People in Russia began to live better - the list is attached

        well, yes, Shuvalov said that revenues are growing, Nabibulina assented that even too quickly - well, what else can you say request
    2. +4
      5 December 2016 12: 47
      Quote: Alex_59
      Lord, what nonsense. Have we made a technological revolution, a scientific breakthrough? The process is going on in decreasing order ... go to any aircraft factory, look at what equipment the assembly is going on there. Hi 80 ...

      The trouble is not that the author defends the current Russian economy, but that he has chaos in his head.
      One thesis is directly opposite to the following.
      For example, he rejects the Belarusian model, while rejecting its market reform proposed by the author of the article which he criticizes, but at the same time rejecting the market reform of Russia in the 90s, but at the same time scolding Belarus for not having carried out reforms of its state economic models!
      From the article it is clear only that he is very dissatisfied with the Belarusians (maybe they took the girl away from him or what other grief they caused smile )
      But to understand what he wants from them and why all this is written is completely impossible.
      1. 0
        5 December 2016 18: 11
        For example, he rejects the Belarusian model, while rejecting its market reform proposed by the author of the article which he criticizes, but at the same time rejecting the market reform of Russia of the 90-s, but at the same time scolding Belarus


        1 Russia chose the "bad option" - it took the most brutal path of reforms. But she reformed the economy.

        2 Belarus chose "a very bad option" - did not do a damn thing. And schazz they all have a lot of fun.
  14. +3
    5 December 2016 11: 57
    I got acquainted with the article by Alexander Obukhovich on the Belarusian Internet. The article is really dubious.
    Briefly, its essence - the author adheres to very exotic views, he rejects the Belarusian model as a conservative Soviet structure of the economy, rejects Soviet planning (moreover, which is very strange based on the experience of the USSR, and after all, the USSR destroyed not planning, but rejection of it), but at the same time rejects the Russian privatization-monetarist model. He wants to go through the "fourth way." The essence of which is to reduce social benefits, increase unemployment, reduce "unnecessary" production capacities, carry out "correct" privatization, and invest all funds in several sectors of industry and agricultural for which there is a sale. That is, in general, it is very similar to the Russian reforms, with the difference that the author proposes to carry out a "correct" privatization, and not be limited to monetary methods, but to pursue an active state industrial policy.
    I doubt that such reforms will lead Belarus to prosperity, and if I were Belarusians I would be an opponent of such reforms, but the author of this article, at least, reasoned logically
    But the author of the "refutation" is not present. "The refutation" is a set of chaotic self-contradictory theses. Some kind of turbulent stream of denial of negations in which it is impossible to single out any logical thought.
    1. 0
      5 December 2016 20: 09
      Refutation "is a set of chaotic self-contradictory theses. Some kind of turbulent stream of denial of negation in which it is impossible to single out any logical thought


      The author, not being Khazin, did not set a goal to explain HOW everything should be done
      Not my task.
      Neighing purely over "economic analysis"
  15. +3
    5 December 2016 12: 27
    The author is a complete zero in the economy. But certainly a staff speaker.
    The wish of the administration. If you want to post interesting material on economics, post Delyagin, Khazin, these people, at least, understand what they are writing about, unlike the author.
    Enough of us experts without specialized education. One Gay Mikhryut was enough with the head.
    1. 0
      5 December 2016 20: 37
      Krichevsky would be happy to honor Glazyev.
  16. +1
    5 December 2016 13: 31
    Has a normal adequate economic article appeared on the site?
    Can not be . belay How did she get here past the fans of the Boldyrevs, Glazyevs and Kasatonovs? belay Someone did not explicitly inspect.
  17. +4
    5 December 2016 17: 18
    In Russia (unlike Belarus and Ukraine), at the moment, there is completely no worship of the Western model.

    Does the author really think so?
    Then the question arises: "Where are we constantly trying to integrate?" What about one economic zone from Lisbon to Vladivostok? Or does the author hope that the EU will be in the same trade zone with the Russian Federation on the terms of the Russian Federation? lol
    Lacking admiration for the Western model? But what about Shuvalov's dogs flying to the exhibition? How are the kids of top officials studying not in Russian universities? What about the accounts "close to the trough" in Western banks?
    And Putin himself is a supporter of Western investments, which lead to the pumping out of the resource base from the Russian Federation, and not to the desired industrialization and modernization of production.
    And "accession" to the WTO, at least in a carcass, at least in a roller, is not admiration for the Western model?
    I will believe in dramatic changes only when such European integrators as Chubais sit in the places where the criminal court determines them, while reconsidering the results of the "privatization of the 90s" at the state level, and not in the "kitchens" of Solovyov.
    1. 0
      5 December 2016 17: 56
      You certainly branch camp. When they sit down you will work for soldering
      1. 0
        5 December 2016 18: 17
        What are you saying? True? And before them I worked for a salary and a bonus. And do not believe it! Enough!
        And about the branch of the concentration camp: you were not taught in childhood what to change candy for candy wrappers, so to speak, an equivalent exchange? So it is with investments for resources.
      2. +2
        5 December 2016 20: 40
        How are you worried about Chubais? Probably the landing of Ulyukaev is a personal tragedy for you. I will be glad if I am mistaken, only then it is not clear what you are talking about.
        They worked for rations during the war, do not insult our fathers and grandfathers.
  18. +1
    5 December 2016 17: 42
    It's simple: Russia has done what neither Belarus nor Ukraine could do - to carry out reforms. Bring state and economic reforms to some stage.

    "What" and up to "what" respected author?
    1. +1
      5 December 2016 18: 13
      Comrad, do you still remember the USSR of the late 80's?
      And the RF of the early 90's?

      After the crisis of 98, Russia came close to civil unrest.
      1. +1
        5 December 2016 18: 48
        Quote: Olezhek
        Comrad, do you still remember the USSR of the late 80's?
        And the RF of the early 90's?

        If you tell me, then I even remember how in childhood shells and cartridges from the time of the Second World War dug out of forest plantations and put them on the roof of a shed. Preparing for the "dashing" times lol Yes, that's bad luck - the adults "burned the hut" laughing
        And at the expense of the 80s and 90s, can you recall what started then and who was at the "helm"? And most importantly, from whose submission did these "rebuilders" emerge?
      2. 0
        6 December 2016 03: 24
        Quote: Olezhek
        Comrad, do you still remember the USSR of the late 80's?

        You will not believe it :) I remember the USSR even in the mid-70s.
        And I'm not saying that now we live worse or the same as in the 90s. Better and much better. And honor and praise VVP that he managed to stop the country's gradual slide into the abyss. It is only time to stop endless comparisons with the "Time of Troubles" and move on. And just such not only movement, but also the desire to move somewhere is not observed.
  19. 0
    5 December 2016 18: 24
    that the situation that we have now is a “war time” situation, and not the normal course of events

    The Buryats overtook the Belarusians?
    Huge and very different country Russia
  20. 0
    6 December 2016 01: 05
    I read both the article and all the comments, 122 at the moment. The conclusion is simple, the one who most of all complains about the difficulties of life, low salaries, poor conditions, lack of opportunities, they criticize and are eager to steer themselves. First you make your life successful, it is in these conditions, and only then teach others. And then they themselves are without pants, but the mind is a chamber. If you are so smart, why are you so poor?
    1. +1
      6 December 2016 06: 29
      Yes of course! Everything is in business! Who is not in business that does not fit into the market!
      1. 0
        6 December 2016 07: 05
        No, not in business, but the state is like a big family, and if you have not been able to create a normal family with normal living conditions and prosperity, then I very much doubt the ability of those same people to develop the state normally. There are a lot of people in my circle from whom I constantly hear - "Why, I will work for 20 thousand if I get 8 on the stock exchange and lie on the couch at home, and the state is bad, it does not care about me." And if in your large family some cousin or second cousin, or a neighbor on the entrance has a store or business or just a well-paid job, should he give you part of his income for kinship or neighborhood? So the state should, as it can in the current realities, it also provides its citizens in the current realities, and a relative or neighbor owes you nothing, although it can.
        1. 0
          6 December 2016 08: 54
          yes, our rulers are good, they’re out of luck with the people - an old song, we know
          1. 0
            6 December 2016 09: 06
            Yes, what have rulers and people to do with it. The rulers solve the problems of the country as they are allowed by the internal and external situation. We do not live on the moon separately from everyone. Yes, there, at the top, they without problems will assign each inhabitant (citizen) of Russia a salary of a lard of rubles per day and even print banknotes with 9 zeros, receive and be happy, you are all billionaires, only you can’t buy a loaf of bread for your billion. Millionaires have already made us remembered in the 90s. It’s better now, quietly peaceful and modest than in 98 millionaires and starving and in freezing cities and towns for half a year without salaries.
    2. 0
      6 December 2016 20: 51
      Quote: savage1976
      If you are so smart, why are you so poor?

      https://nstarikov.ru/blog/72793
      The answer is here. I doubt that you will understand, but still ...
  21. 0
    6 December 2016 11: 27
    "If anyone does not remember, at the end of the 90s the country was on the brink of such a war." Yes. 99th year, the house on Guryanov, genocide, got out of hand. I personally attracted the Liberal Democratic Party. Hangouts of former military men, private security companies (warehouses with weapons), especially when there was information about the sponsorship of Zhirinovsky's party by criminals. Trend - from the word "tryndet". The emotional "shit in the toilet" was very timely. Cooled. We have a sensible President. Riots are not needed.
  22. +1
    6 December 2016 17: 04
    nerd.su,
    Uruguay has a very reliable banking system and inflation is close to zero, water supply is not everywhere, but the quality of tap water is very high everywhere, it can be drunk everywhere without boiling. Alas, in Russia there is not even that ...
    1. 0
      6 December 2016 17: 29
      Uruguay has a very reliable banking system and inflation is close to zero, there is water supply


      And in our apartment there is a haz ... five hundred ...
      1. +1
        7 December 2016 05: 16
        Yes, it’s Chubais who asked me where Russia is far from Uruguay, so I answered, otherwise we should thank them for living better than in the Republic of Chad, but life in Spain is why they’re in Russia do not want to do ....
    2. 0
      7 December 2016 17: 24
      the sizes of Uruguay and Russia are slightly different. All of Russia physically can never live well - climatic conditions for this life simply will not allow it. If in Uruguay you can put a plant in a hangar, then in Siberia you need to build a stone building with heating. The economic feasibility of installing an factory atka decreases sharply and profit from it, too. If in Uruguay you can put a hut and live in it for a penny, then in Russia you need to build a warm house with heating and something to heat it, to put up the same boiler house, which is not necessary in Uruguay. And so in everything. Comparing warm countries with Russia is nonsense. In Iceland, living conditions will be worse. And the prices of imported products, too.
      1. +1
        7 December 2016 19: 36
        And Norway lives and the climate does not interfere. And Sweden lives and Finland and none of them stand in line for the citizenship of the Russian Federation, ours stand for their citizenship. Maybe it’s the government of the country, and not the climate ?! A house in Uruguay, one-story, of brick, an area of ​​about 80 meters, costs about $ 100000. Where there is a bad life, housing costs nothing.
        1. +1
          8 December 2016 10: 14
          the territories of Norway and Sweden are not comparable with Russia - there is no need to build roads of this length, railways, electricity, no need to build as many thermal power plants, etc. Number of population per square. m. also not comparable. And how do the Swedes work and how do we work? Yes, they have cowsheds cleaner than our hospitals (I myself have been) - there is no our gouging. There, the standard of living does not come from the government, but from the heads of people. And there was no destructive war in the history of Sweden in the XNUMXth century, there were no revolutions, there were no arms races. They sat themselves all the last centuries, like Christ’s bosom, did not experience any disasters and will continue to sit. Like heaps of other countries, including the United States
          1. +1
            8 December 2016 10: 54
            So in Russia, you can’t pull anything anywhere, but build a thermal power station in place. As for the revolutions, the Russian government and no one else are to blame for them. Through the fault of his stupidity in Russia, all problems exist. As for the roads, in Denmark in general, bridges between the islands are laid, and no one whines over the sea over the sea, and in Russia there are no such bridges yet, well, except that in Vladivostok 1 it is comparable to not the largest bridges in Denmark. Workers need to be paid normally, as they pay in Russia, they work the same way, and even more work than they are paid. In Denmark, Sweden and Norway, living standards are much higher. And in the Kremlin they want to pay workers like in the Republic of Chad, and have the results of labor like in Spain ... It doesn’t and never will be. Something needs to be invested in a person before something is required of him.
        2. 0
          8 December 2016 11: 11
          Quote: Krayt
          A house in Uruguay, one-story, of brick, an area of ​​about 80 meters, costs about $ 100000

          Ek Uruguay hooked you! We’d go somewhere else.
    3. 0
      7 December 2016 18: 45
      Quote: Krayt
      Uruguay has a very reliable banking system and inflation is near zero

      Reliable banking system? And so they and the IMF are discussing restructuring terms for their banks !? Is inflation close to zero? If you compare the numbers, the differences are penny, we can assume there are no differences.
      We can also drink water without boiling. At least I drank and not only did not die, but did not even get sick. This is not an indicator. Another thing is that no one in their right mind will constantly drink water from a water supply without boiling, neither in Uruguay, nor in Russia, nor in the USA. I hope not to explain why.
      So is this, the electrification of the whole country, especially in rural areas, is in Uruguay?
      1. +1
        7 December 2016 19: 33
        They drink in Uruguay, and in Russia it’s often that such a liquid flows from the tap that it’s not worth it to be washed, and even it was somehow shown on TV. Well, prices in Uruguay do not rise as in the Russian Federation, no need to lie and banks there are quite reliable. You don’t confuse Argentina, and I don’t see anything from Argentina who want to move to Russia.
        1. 0
          7 December 2016 23: 00
          Normal water in Russia, and liquid in the TV, otherwise who will watch it laughing Well, in some heads there is still a slurry. And banks are also quite reliable. Prices in Russia did not rise much until a certain point. Uruguay is not a country so that the whole world gangs up on him. And we will beat back our own.
          Yes, that Argentina, that Uruguay. In Uruguay, all life in the capital, two-thirds of the population, two-thirds (!) Of all enterprises. Let's compare then Uruguay and the Moscow region, it will be more honest.
          1. +2
            8 December 2016 08: 05
            negative You know that, Mr. URIA storyteller, so that you would be less stupid with your tongue here, I sincerely wish you to spend the rest of your life in the slums of Volgograd, where tens of thousands of people live, with bad water, and often without it at all ... Reality will only reach people like you when you experience it in your own skin and don’t need to write to me that only alcoholics who do not want to work live there. People live there better than you, but there are many better people than you, in any case more decent, and there is more benefit to the country from each of them than from an overweight drunk in an office with parquet and a flag.
            1. 0
              8 December 2016 11: 00
              You don’t tell me about bad water, I know a lot about it. Yes, both reality, and alcoholics who do not want to work, and fat drunks in their offices - these are your fantasies. Do not ascribe them to me laughing
              Well, I wish you to spend the rest of your life in the elite neighborhoods of Montevideo, good tap water and securely attach money to Uruguayan banks. I hope you didn’t stole them from the water supply system that was supposed to be taken to the Volgograd slums? lol
              1. +3
                8 December 2016 11: 06
                am So I am not an `` honest man '' of Uncle Vova Chubais, I have no money on Montevideo ... And your knowledge is worthless, or you know nothing, looking at Russia from the window of an official Mercedes, or you know, but deliberately harm the people of Russia ...
                1. 0
                  9 December 2016 03: 03
                  Well, make money or be lucky to find a lost Chubais collection truck!
                  1. +2
                    9 December 2016 08: 29
                    am But Chubais, Yakunin and the like, did they earn, or stole ?!
                    1. 0
                      9 December 2016 15: 41
                      Chubais participated in the planning and execution of the robbery of the people and the state. I was not much interested in Yakunin, but if they didn’t put me in prison, then I didn’t steal ... And by and large, I’ll put me on people like Yakunin. But Chubais is a completely different matter. This agent of the American imperialists must be sent to a logging company before the end of his days.
                      1. +1
                        9 December 2016 16: 18
                        So Yakunin did not go far from Chubais. Railway transport around the world is cheaper than transport by road, but not in the Russian Federation, because the Russian Railways steal just huge amounts, this is the only explanation for what is happening with pricing. In addition, do not you think that the management of unprofitable and supposedly unprofitable enterprises does not have the right to accrue bonuses, since through the fault of their evil leadership the enterprise is unprofitable ?! And at the end, one small but big question - If you think that Chubweis should be hung on the first lamppost and here our opinions coincide completely, then why doesn’t your Putin do this ?! Maybe you need to find a more worthy person than Putin for the presidency of the Russian Federation, who will finally reward Chubais deservingly, and will not drink coffee with them ?! I have to say right away, I’d hang a new one next to Chubais and Yakunin ....
  23. +1
    6 December 2016 20: 43
    Quote: Tula gingerbread
    ALL have apartments, cars, villas. This is not Moscow or the Moscow region and far from Rublevka.
    Salaries from 18 to 30 thousand
    They do not starve, are not swollen, are not undressed, and could afford to go to Turkey or Egypt for a week

    To put it mildly, frank and cynical untruth, if sn in rubles. of course! smile
  24. 0
    7 December 2016 17: 17
    An oil-dependent economy is not only the sale of oil, it is oil-based production, it is the infrastructure that extracts and transports oil, refines it, it is jobs in the industry, it is the fees and taxes on oil, its refined products, and on the sale of gasoline etc. domestically, this is a huge chunk of GDP, dependent on the price of oil, even if it is not sold abroad. The oilman produces oil, then it is transported, processed, made gasoline or something else, gas stations selling gasoline - this whole chain (and it is huge) pays taxes based on the price per barrel. That’s the addiction - it’s not bad. It’s bad when there is nothing else.
  25. +1
    7 December 2016 19: 29
    I fudo I haven’t been in St. Petersburg for a long time, being in Pskov. I have 50 meters.