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The fatal flight of paratroopers killed in Kuban - they had to jump from another plane

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The fatal flight of paratroopers killed in Kuban - they had to jump from another plane



Three paratroopers who died in the Kuban River during the 24 exercise in November in the Krymsky district of the Krasnodar Territory were supposed to fly on another plane to perform parachute jumps. As a colleague said, by fatal coincidence of circumstances, they were sent instead of the group that accidentally stayed. As a result, no one was injured in the exercises among 80 people, reports KrasnodarMedia reported with reference to Our newspaper Novorossiysk.

"Three young guys drowned when the landing was unsuccessful. One of them had a wife and a child, the other wanted to serve all his life. But fate decided otherwise.

In November, 2016, the friends of the dead Novorossiysk paratroopers told what happened before the tragedy. Recall that 24 November in the Crimean region of the Krasnodar Territory held airborne training exercises. The event was attended by servicemen of the 108 Guards Airborne Assault Regiment, which is part of the 7 Guards Division of Novorossiysk. During a parachute jump, about two o'clock in the afternoon, three servicemen disappeared. Unfortunately, all three paratroopers died, their bodies found in the river.

Boarded the wrong plane

Fatal coincidence, otherwise you will not tell. After all, the group in which the dead paratroopers were in was not supposed to fly on that plane. The fellow Arthur Molochnikov (the name of the hero is changed) told about what happened on the day of the tragedy. In the IL-76, in which there were guys, our group was supposed to fly. However, we were a little late, and they were sent first. I can not imagine why the tragedy occurred, because all the others landed safely. And in our group of 80 people no one was hurt, - says the military.

On Tuesday, soldiers, acquaintances and just residents of Novorossiysk came to say goodbye to the dead paratroopers. An incredible number of people came: more than five thousand people. In all parts of the Airborne Forces of Russia honored the memory of our brothers. After saying goodbye, the paratroopers' bodies were sent home. The next day they were buried.

Criminal case initiated

The military department of the investigative committee opened a criminal case because of the death of three paratroopers. The officer of the military unit, who supervised the jumps, and military personnel who ensure the safety of the landing, are suspected of negligence, which led to the death of three people. Now military investigators are questioning witnesses, studying the documents regulating the conduct of these exercises. According to preliminary data, due to low cloud cover, military personnel didn’t have time to detach parachute systems when released into the water, the press service of the Southern Military District commented
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  1. Homo
    Homo 3 December 2016 05: 55
    +39
    And what has it to do with it, in your own, not in your own airplane?
    1. rotmistr60
      rotmistr60 3 December 2016 09: 02
      +21
      I will fully support you, not in the plane, but in the absence of training to splash down (i.e. land on the water). Although even in training it is often difficult (you have to get rid of a part of the suspended one on one side before splashing down, and then "pull out" of the rest ..., and in winter conditions - a warmed jacket and trousers, when it is problematic to unfasten the suspension carabiner)
      dead in the Kuban river

      Those guilty (I repeat once again) who appointed a landing site near a pond.
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 3 December 2016 12: 24
        +13
        Quote: rotmistr60
        Those guilty (I repeat once again) who appointed a landing site near a pond.

        Guilty seek ungrateful pursuit ...
        But still.
        The IL-76 navigator is primarily to blame. He had to take into account the wind, the height of the discharge, take into account what the demolition of the paratroopers would be with the data of the GMU. I would take a correction for the wind, but I would take into account the safe radius when landing, you look, and the course would lay a couple of degrees "to the wind."
        Perhaps the issuer is to blame ... Someone was hesitant or started landing before the time ... Speed, wind ... flight!
        Of course, the leaders of the exercises for choosing the prism site are to blame. If the river stood up - land on the ice "like dry". And then water, styling, winter clothes, AKS, a canopy of a parachute from above .... CERE!
        Guys should not be blamed. They did what they could ... Everyone wanted to live and fought for life until the last breath. But this is WATER! and not * mother, native EARTH *, on which you can lie down, take a breath and crawl further ... Without a maintenance system (saved vests and positive buoyancy of the airtight jumpsuit), and even in winter conditions ... the guys were doomed
        1. tundra
          tundra 3 December 2016 13: 09
          +2
          Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
          If the river stood

          We have in the Kuban, the rivers do not rise.
          Estuaries yes, well it is rare, for 30 years I remember a couple of times.
          Excuse me, you can say a lot who is to blame,
          and you won’t get the guys back.
          My neighbor almost had a tantrum yesterday, her son just served
          in that of our division.
          Let the earth rest in peace!
        2. domokl
          domokl 3 December 2016 18: 21
          +7
          Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
          The navigator IL-76 is to blame for the first place.

          Guys, don’t talk nonsense. The case of the navigator to bring the plane to the landing site. weather forecasters give a forecast. What, they did not assume the wind?
          Second. Parchute systems today are not "coffins" from the Great Patriotic War. The parachute is steerable! And the paratrooper must be trained to operate it! I remember when we jumped on the water for the first time, on a windless day, you look down and you see ... the sky, the officers checked us a hundred times for stones in our pockets. Exactly simple stones .. We then threw them into the water ... To make the waves go. Otherwise, you just won't see where you get to ... from the sky you fly to the sky ...
          The boys died because the immediate commanders, the head of the PDS and other monganul ... Drive this knowledge into the soldier’s head by any means necessary. Although, I am sure that 90% of paratroopers have never jumped into the water ...
          Winter clothes, a parachute, which covered from above and deprived of air, forgetfulness about the possibility of quick uncoupling .. And all .. The parachutist gasped. Platoon, company and head of the PDS on the block ...
          1. tundra
            tundra 3 December 2016 22: 07
            0
            Just like that?
            I'm not special in this area
            Well, I don’t know, it’s once a platoon and so they are poor.
      2. 210ox
        210ox 3 December 2016 17: 28
        +2
        Gennady, there was a rush here, in my opinion. The weather for two weeks in the Kuban was unfavorable - a strong east wind. It seems that it has calmed down and let's get on the plane quickly .. The teachings are "burning", time is running out .. "the plane sat down-stupidity. And then everything was superimposed - on the ground the group was not ready, the navigator did not calculate, etc. .. Yes, and of course, at this time of the year, and the platform next to the river ... Yes, there are a lot of fields .. well, winter crops were trampled there, but would have remained alive ..
        Quote: rotmistr60
        I will fully support you, not in the plane, but in the absence of training to splash down (i.e. land on the water). Although even in training it is often difficult (you have to get rid of a part of the suspended one on one side before splashing down, and then "pull out" of the rest ..., and in winter conditions - a warmed jacket and trousers, when it is problematic to unfasten the suspension carabiner)
        dead in the Kuban river

        Those guilty (I repeat once again) who appointed a landing site near a pond.
        1. tundra
          tundra 3 December 2016 22: 11
          0
          Quote: 210ox
          Gennady, there was a rush in my opinion. The weather for two weeks in our Kuban was an unfavorable, strong east wind

          True truth Damn well, not a war after all, peacetime Otnostelno!
      3. Orionvit
        Orionvit 3 December 2016 22: 46
        +1
        According to the instructions, you must slip out of the suspension system at a height of two meters to the surface of the water, face the windward side, then dive and swim in the direction opposite to the wind .. In the conditions of military exercises with equipment and weapons, it is almost impossible. It is solely the fault of the leader of the jumps.
    2. Rom14
      Rom14 3 December 2016 11: 01
      +14
      Well, how and what!? Sabotage! ... Of course it's a pity for the guys ... But the question arises, what if there is war again? Of course, someone will be "shot" because they did not spread the straws and did not remove the river from the field. For a year of getting used to the service, the youngsters do not have time to become a full-fledged responsible Warrior, responsible for their actions .., a year of service in the Airborne Forces is not serious.
      1. tundra
        tundra 3 December 2016 13: 25
        +2
        Quote: Rom14
        ., the year of service in the Airborne Forces is not serious.

        Yes, not only in the Airborne Forces!
        Or I have a senile grumbling
        I remember on weekends or holidays
        you’ll go for a walk with the children, and there, in dismissal
        landing, sailors from the sea school (now the Coast Guard Institute, well, a word combination) are all so handsome, handsome!
        MEN!
        That's just the daughter of sailors for some reason called fishermen laughing
        And this is in the dashing 90s,
        Pity the guys are so sorry!
      2. PHANTOM-AS
        PHANTOM-AS 3 December 2016 23: 11
        +4
        Quote: Rom14
        Well, how and what!? Sabotage! ... Of course it's a pity for the guys ... But the question arises, what if there is war again? Of course, someone will be "shot" because they did not spread the straws and did not remove the river from the field. For a year of getting used to the service, the youngsters do not have time to become a full-fledged responsible Warrior, responsible for their actions .., a year of service in the Airborne Forces is not serious.

        I completely agree! The year of service for the Airborne Forces is too little. In the air, anything can happen: crossing, demolition on trees, water surface, etc., etc. and the paratrooper should be ready for all this.
        Once again, I repeat for the Airborne Forces is NOTHING!
        And we grieve over the boys soldier
      3. bastard
        bastard 4 December 2016 09: 12
        +2
        Quote: Rom14
        Well, how and what!? Sabotage! ... Of course it's a pity for the guys ... But the question arises, what if there is war again? Of course, someone will be "shot" because they did not spread the straws and did not remove the river from the field. For a year of getting used to the service, the youngsters do not have time to become a full-fledged responsible Warrior, responsible for their actions .., a year of service in the Airborne Forces is not serious.

  2. region58
    region58 3 December 2016 05: 58
    +11
    by fateful coincidence, they were sent instead of a group that accidentally lingered. As a result, no one was injured in it among 80 people in exercises

    And another group means you can drop on the river, and the guys from another group can die ... Some kind of nonsense ... In the footsteps of Stephen King, we go ...
    1. Orionvit
      Orionvit 3 December 2016 22: 50
      +1
      If I married another, then I would already be a millionaire. Indeed, something like this. And a meteorite flew nearby. Guilty leadership exercises.
  3. tracer
    tracer 3 December 2016 06: 41
    +16
    Looks like a serious preparation gap. This must be taught at the VAR. Unfastening or cutting off the lines (depending on the parachute model and the combat option). But the trained fighters were obliged, according to the instructions, to unfasten the dome before it fell into the water. The parachute is most likely either D 6 or D7 and I doubt very much that D5. Both are controlled to correct the landing. The Kuban in that place is 25 or 40 meters wide at most. You could have saved, you could have saved the guys with instructions and a kind swear word with training. Eh ... sorry for the guys, of course .... "And the paratrooper's fate is sometimes short as hand-to-hand combat" ... Kingdom of Heaven for the lost.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 3 December 2016 06: 47
      +9
      It seems like a serious preparation gap. This must be taught at the VDP.


      I agree ... any incident has a specific reason.

      Maybe the youth relied on their own strength ...
      but you have to understand that if you fall into the water in full equipment weighing under 30 kg there are no chances to get out with him ... couldn’t they explain this to the young?

      Although there may be paralysis of the extremities ... the water is chilling ... floundering until it cramped arms and legs ... also without options.
    2. tso1973
      tso1973 3 December 2016 07: 23
      +4
      Totally agree with you ! This is precisely a gap in preparation and about low cloudiness is also nonsense, if only the height of the clouds was not lower than 100 meters!
      1. tundra
        tundra 3 December 2016 13: 40
        +5
        Quote: tso1973
        This is precisely a gap in preparation and

        This is not my business.
        It used to be you go, you go, the tower stands, they train,
        Now everything is built up, private (STSUKA) investors.
        There was a stadium, on the day of the Airborne Forces I took my son there, (my son served in des)
        Equipment exhibited, BMD, howitzers, the boy squealed with delight.
        Parachutists landed at that stadium in the middle of the city.
        Now only advertising, real estate in the city center.
        And why the paratroopers, the stadium? Well it in FIG.
        True in Raevka something cool built.
        It seems closer to the landfill.
        Well I do not know.
        Maybe all the same you need to keep (RF) in the city
        An example is needed for the guys too!
    3. Ivan Tucha
      Ivan Tucha 3 December 2016 07: 24
      +11
      They could have taught, but they could not swim or were poorly skilled. I’m bad and I’ve been swimming at 40, during my years of service I always thought with horror about a possible splashdown. By the fact that if you are swimming in the water somehow like a dog in swimming trunks, then in the equipment there’s zero chance ...
      1. tundra
        tundra 4 December 2016 15: 01
        +1
        Quote: Ivan Tucha
        but they could not swim

        It’s been a long time since I watched how sailors are taught to swim.
        It’s worth this team that can’t do it on the pier,
        And the two foremen, in turn tying an unskilled rope, dragged them along the water along the pier.
        Slightly weaken the rope, they start to start bubbles, they pull them up.
        From the side it’s cruel, the wife gasped, I told her, and if he falls overboard at sea. Better here, under the supervision of bubbles let out.
      2. tso1973
        tso1973 12 December 2016 09: 15
        0
        How to swim did not know how ?! Really the rules have changed, in 1992 in the Tula VDD I passed swimming exams like everyone else, even the three didn’t set off any further and then either train and pass the standard or in support and forget about the DA and reconnaissance. And the dead paratroopers were clearly not with security.
      3. tso1973
        tso1973 26 December 2017 13: 56
        0
        When you pass the final exams at the training center, you pass the swimming. You passed the exams badly, went to serve in support and you are unlikely to jump from the silt, and even with the equipment! At least it was at 106 VDD in 1992.
    4. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 3 December 2016 08: 12
      +6
      Quote: tracer
      But trained fighters were required to unfasten the dome according to instructions before it fell into the water

      The parachute (harness) is unfastened in advance, and when touching the feet of water you just need to straighten, arms extended up, and slip out of the straps. But not earlier, because when splashed, it is difficult to determine the height. At least that's what the instructor taught me.
      By the way, in a similar way, in the late 90s two commercial parachutists died in Togliatti, splashing down on the Volga. The AN-2 pilot, having descended above the splash-water site, caught water, and tossed it. Fortunately, no one died on the plane. hi
    5. alpamys
      alpamys 3 December 2016 10: 36
      +6
      Quote: tracer
      The parachute is most likely either D 6 or D7 and I doubt very much that D5. Both are controlled for touchdown adjustments.

      D5 can also be adjusted, pull two the straps are stronger and you get a glide, and the reserve as a float should hold for a couple of hours, if you unfasten it from the suspension, I remember this from VDSnikov coaching, I haven’t gotten into it myself even once.
      1. domokl
        domokl 3 December 2016 19: 05
        0
        Quote: alpamys
        D5 can also be adjusted, pull two harnesses harder and get a slip,

        u, how smart ... and also winter clothes get wet only after 30-50 minutes ...
    6. severniy
      severniy 3 December 2016 11: 46
      +1
      Kuban 25, 40 meters, what nonsense ??
      1. alexej123
        alexej123 3 December 2016 13: 23
        +1
        I agree. In those places, this is practically the mouth of the Kuban. 100 meters will be accurate.
    7. BULB TARAS
      BULB TARAS 3 December 2016 14: 56
      +4
      D 7 ??? Have you not heard ... maybe D-10? They wrote that the low edge of the cloud and the pilots could not fit into the dimensions of the site (usually when jumping from the IL-76, they indicate the number of seconds in order to leave the board for the entire personnel, otherwise you can get on the wires of the forest or water that are outside the landing site) and the paratroopers did not we managed to get ready for splashdown as those who jumped into fog or strong clouds know that the earth or water sometimes appears very unexpectedly, it is simply no longer possible to "pull" somewhere or get ready.
    8. domokl
      domokl 3 December 2016 18: 26
      +4
      And what else is D-5? I’ve only met them in Fergana in the 80 ... Everywhere there were 6s of different series ... But even on D-5 ser 2 or 4 flying away on 100-200 meters to the side is absolutely not a problem. The head of the PDS for the eggs must be suspended for such training of paratroopers
  4. Perseus
    Perseus 3 December 2016 07: 00
    +4
    died because they flew in the wrong plane? what nonsense?
  5. 501Legion
    501Legion 3 December 2016 07: 19
    +5
    The guys are sorry, we must draw great conclusions from this tragedy.
    1. domokl
      domokl 3 December 2016 18: 31
      +5
      No need to do anything. you just need to return the Airborne Forces to 2's one-year life ... How many jumps does the jump have now at the exit (demobilization)? During the 2 year of service in the SA, the soldier had 10-15 jumps. But in different conditions, with and without weapons. Just 10-15 for 750 days ... Because they prepared thoroughly.
      I remember after all the checks at the airfield, all the troubles on the landing site due to the wind, half the company was ready to jump without a parachute, only to go to the barracks .. And on the slings we hung every day for a couple of hours ...
  6. Ivan Tucha
    Ivan Tucha 3 December 2016 07: 26
    +3
    Sorry for the boys. They rest in peace ...
  7. demotivator
    demotivator 3 December 2016 07: 32
    +17
    Boarded the wrong plane
    Maybe someone will be satisfied with such an explanation of what happened, only this does not in the least remove several issues from the agenda. It is known that the paratroopers drowned in the river. Kuban. Ice water, wet clothes and parachutes made matters worse. So the question is: those who organized these jumps did not know that there is a river in the area of ​​the drop, and it is possible that the fighters could get into it? And if they knew, then why there was no organized watch on the river of rescuers, ready at any moment to come to the aid of those in trouble. I understand that this is impossible in a combat situation, but in this case, what prevented you from thinking through everything to the smallest detail? And don't blah blah about "wrong plane." With such stupid commanders, even if you put them on any plane, they will still be drowned, or something else will happen. As in the case of a bad dancer, whose eggs are problematic.
    1. domokl
      domokl 3 December 2016 18: 43
      +4
      I will try to answer.
      1.Ice water, wet clothes and other nonsense. Have you ever hit an ice hole in winter?
      Clothing does not get wet instantly. This happens long enough. Not a minute and not five ...
      2. River in the area of ​​discharge. Modern parachute systems allow you to glide over a fairly long distance. I don't mean "mattresses". Ordinary D-6 and beyond. How wide is the river in the drop area? 25-40 meters? Any parachutist on a 5-6 jump will go such a distance in any! side with no problem.
      3. Airplane and navigator. Here I agree with you. The weather is given to the navigator from the ground. His task is to bring the aircraft to the site. I very much doubt that the navigator was over this site for the first time ...
      the platoon and company commander is definitely to blame. plus the head of the PDS. However, the main culprit is the one that gave the soldier the opportunity to serve 1 year ...
      You look at these nerd-devils of the Airborne Forces and it becomes scary ... Is this a paratrooper? Dead moron ... It's a shame. Until 40, I had a combat weight of 81 kg. Although outwardly there were kg on 70. and this? It is necessary to change the very system of training paratroopers. Remove conscripts at all ... Only a contract, only professional in their field. Otherwise there will be no sense
  8. Captain Angry
    Captain Angry 3 December 2016 07: 49
    +15
    Surely the jumps were carried out in full equipment: helmet, body armor, unloading vest, weapons (automatic, RPG), RD-90, GK-30. The D-10 system was specifically designed for this and was designed for more weight, taking into account the equipment. , demolished the water barrier, in a rapidly changing environment, they simply didn’t have time to work out the DOS for splashdowns — they would be freed from the dome. So they worked it out — that’s 100% of the Airborne Troops of their people train as they should. It just happened - for which, in principle, paratroopers make additional payments when performing parachute jumps for special conditions of service and risk. In this case, the circumstances turned out to be stronger than the fighters. Until the parachute jumps are completed, there will always be RISK and DANGER. Memory of the dead soldiers.
    1. domokl
      domokl 3 December 2016 18: 46
      +1
      What is the upward flow with such a load on the parachute? soldier-70 kg, equipment -20 kg, weapons and ammunition-10 kg, possibly a walkie-talkie and more. For a hundred kg is displayed ...
      It's just that the soldiers are not prepared by the PDSniki ...
  9. corporal
    corporal 3 December 2016 07: 53
    +5
    What a moronic article ??? What does the sequence of flights, jumps, if the valiant landing cannot swim ??

    Quote: The same LYOKHA
    ... floundering until convulsion of arms and legs ... also without options.

    For general information: in the distant (EMNIP) of the 60s, an experiment on behavior on water was conducted, the essence is as follows:
    - volunteers were tied hand and foot and thrown into the pool in order to determine the duration of the float. Of about 200 (two hundred) people, 99,8% without any problems stayed in the water, which was due (as the experimenters found out) to the presence of a number of rescue instructors who could immediately intervene in the experiment if the subject went to the bottom.
    Morality: man is a waterfowl creature, and in most cases purely psychological factors "help" him to drown, such as fear of water, fear of seizures, etc. ( naturally I do not consider hypothermia, spasm of the heart muscle and loss of consciousness).
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 3 December 2016 09: 14
      +2
      - volunteers were tied hand and foot and thrown into the pool in order to determine the duration of the float. Out of about 200 (two hundred) people, 99,8% without any problems stayed in the water, which was caused (as experimenters found) by the presence of a number of rescue instructors,

      An unclean experiment ... did not take into account the presence of water flow, temperature, equipment, lack of any help, etc.

      Only real walruses can cross the OB at sub-zero temperatures and then lightly.
      1. domokl
        domokl 3 December 2016 18: 52
        +2
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        Only real walruses can cross the OB at sub-zero temperatures and then lightly.

        Alexei, he wrote garbage .. In Berdsk they jumped and got to the Ob just in the winter ... They felt great in winter clothes on the Ob Sea ... It was really problematic to get out of the hole myself. But ..have .. the landing party is not drowning ...))) It’s quite normal to sit in a jumpsuit for 20-30 minutes in cold water. Horseradish gets wet clothes
    2. Baloo
      Baloo 3 December 2016 09: 38
      +3
      Swim in winter clothes with weapons in ice water? Even in a wetsuit with warm underwear, the water temperature is 10 degrees, and then you quickly numb after 30 minutes of swimming under the buoys underwater (underwater orientation, I have such experience in distant Soviet school childhood).
    3. severniy
      severniy 3 December 2016 12: 05
      +8
      Dumb morality. Not everyone can swim across the Kuban in summer in swimming trunks, but now in clothes, even without ammunition, the probability of drowning is close to 100%. So buoyancy, or the training of fighters, is all nonsense. Command staff for landing! For such jumps, there are special forces with special equipment. They would have thrown them out in the middle of the Black Sea and rattled, "how can that be! These are the Marines! They had to swim out!"
    4. tundra
      tundra 3 December 2016 13: 49
      +1
      Quote: Corporal
      Moral: a person is a water-floating creature, and in most cases purely psychological factors such as fear of water, fear of seizures, etc. “help” him drown (naturally, I do not consider hypothermia, spasm of the heart muscle and loss of consciousness).

      People are drowning from panic, I don’t boast well, I and my wife and children,
      another time by the hour and the sea does not climb,
      You need to understand water and the sea.
      And relax
      Last swim, in October, hard of course
      Well, if without a panic and the motor is normal then you can.
      1. corporal
        corporal 3 December 2016 14: 14
        +3
        Quote: tundra
        People are drowning in panic

        Agree to all 100 good
        Quote: severniy
        Kuban and in the summer in swimming trunks, not everyone will swim

        It’s clear to the bad dancer what is in the way, but to the bad swimmer?
        Quote: Balu
        Swim in winter clothes with weapons in ice water?

        What's so complicated? Pea jackets and cotton pants have zero buoyancy, it’s difficult to keep the machine on themselves, but it’s possible that dumping with pieces of iron is necessary, I don’t argue.
        And in ice water it is preferable to be in clothes (at least underwear).
        1. tundra
          tundra 3 December 2016 14: 45
          +2
          Quote: Corporal
          And in ice water it is preferable to be in clothes (at least underwear).

          That's right, you’ll not be so quick around.
          The principle of a wet hydro suit.
          Well, like you can’t heat all the water around you.
          And again, without panic,
          Damn what I mean
          You can’t return the guys anymore. angry
  10. elenagromova
    elenagromova 3 December 2016 08: 15
    +6
    Eternal memory ... Very sorry guys
  11. Baloo
    Baloo 3 December 2016 09: 36
    0
    did not have time to disconnect the parachute systems

    So you weren’t ready? This is not practiced, not trained properly?
    Not far from the summer house is an airfield, sometimes in the summer I see parachutists jumping. Once I saw a parachutist quickly descending in a spiral on a paraglider. Is this such a technique or failed to manage?
    The next day I came to work, in the ward there is a young parachutist from Moscow about yesterday's competitions. He got off with a hip fracture and a cracked pelvis. He asked him the same question, he said that only masters can do this. hi
  12. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 3 December 2016 10: 09
    +2
    The guys died, they rest in peace ... Debriefing is inevitable, if the instruction before the release was complete and the possibility of splashdown was stipulated in it, the commander can get off with disciplinary action. Worse, if you put the guys on the plane without instruction, for the repetition of the mother of learning. Unfortunately you can’t foresee everything.
    I remember a case - a warrant officer assigns two soldiers the task of cleaning the sewer mains inside the unit. He instructs: "fill the bowel of the water truck into the pipe, press it with one foot, stand on the bracket with the other, hold onto the upper brackets with your hands, and as soon as the water is discharged from the water truck, quickly up the brackets." From words to deeds, the first one climbed into the well, tucked his gut, the second fighter stands at the top, belaying with a rope. They give water, no one from the well. Stinks, the water rises up the well, the fighter pulls the rope, pulls the soldier (he lost consciousness), together with the carrier they pull out the water truck. The soldier in the hospital. Accident, debriefing. The soldiers both confirm the briefing, but the lower one says that he was not told that when the water was discharged there would be an eerie smell and that jumping out of the well did not need to breathe. The ensign got off with fright, and could, because of one phrase, sit down in the event of the death of a soldier.
    1. domokl
      domokl 3 December 2016 18: 55
      0
      Have you ever jumped without this zae..a? They instruct everything and so much that you no longer perceive it. Like checking a parachute .. A hundred people pull the canopy, and then, if that’s what you look, you signed it and the form or not ...
  13. evge-malyshev
    evge-malyshev 3 December 2016 11: 11
    +1
    The title of the article is clearly provocative. And then this or that plane?
  14. Sergei 68
    Sergei 68 3 December 2016 11: 43
    +3
    Unfortunately, I didn’t jump myself, but there are athletes I know and they say with all their experience it’s not always possible to jump as they should, but in the water in such weather as that day or today (+ 2, rain and snow, the river is muddy and stormy), if would not help hell would get out, but here in full gear. And the article is some kind of yellowish truth, then these are a pity, and let others fly?
    1. tundra
      tundra 3 December 2016 14: 00
      +2
      Quote: Sergey 68
      And the article is some kind of yellowish truth, then these are a pity, and let others fly?

      yes
  15. Kosmotoga
    3 December 2016 11: 48
    +1
    This morning some bumps flew into this unit by helicopter from the window. The first time I saw that the spinner flew right into the unit and sat down. Apparently the command of the unit was shaking thoroughly.
  16. Dekabrist
    Dekabrist 3 December 2016 14: 34
    +6
    RVDP.
    "If there are water bodies or dangerous obstacles near the landing site, the person on duty at the landing site, at the direction of the head of the jumps, sets up rescue and observation posts. Rescue posts are set up near water bodies located closer than 1,5 km from the boundaries of the landing site.
    Observation posts are set up at the most dangerous obstacles for landing (forest, power lines, etc.), located within 1,5 km from the boundaries of the landing site. A mobile rescue team on a vehicle with communications and rescue equipment is designed to assist paratroopers who have landed outside the landing area. The personnel of the rescue and observation posts must be trained in providing first aid and equipped with the necessary medical equipment to provide it. "
    And everything else is painted there in detail. Of course, you don’t foresee everything, emergency always happened, but in most cases it is a consequence of someone’s time ... guild.
    1. domokl
      domokl 3 December 2016 18: 58
      0
      bully Yeah ... a half orchestra at our Gas-66 rolled out and stretched the tables for laying in case of need ... By the way, it's funny, but they really caught jumpers with an "egg" ...
  17. iouris
    iouris 3 December 2016 15: 03
    +3
    I, of course, understand the risk and all that, but from the circumstances of the case it follows that there was criminal negligence in organizing the event. If there was even a minimal possibility of "landing" on the water, rescuers and life-saving equipment had to be on duty in the landing area. And the fact that "they flew in the wrong plane" is already beyond the bounds of good and evil.
  18. BULB TARAS
    BULB TARAS 3 December 2016 15: 05
    +1
    Quote: Homo
    And what has it to do with it, in your own, not in your own airplane?

    Well, just human superstitions ... in this case, soldiers.
    1. domokl
      domokl 3 December 2016 19: 00
      +1
      repeat we didn’t shave before jumping ... God forbid a pregnant woman to meet, or there is a black cat .... Paratroopers are not superstitious. They are these .. lol
  19. tundra
    tundra 3 December 2016 15: 58
    +2
    And remember how everyone was kidding when the Americans
    with their dodge or how they were bombarded by the Hamers
    So let it be better, a dozen BMDukh will be broken.
    It’s clear that it’s not a war, so it’s even more offensive in peacetime,
    to bear such losses.
    1. domokl
      domokl 3 December 2016 19: 02
      +1
      Military service, especially in high-risk units, is always a lottery. does not like slackness and other "I am myself". Everyone knows what he is doing ...
      1. tundra
        tundra 3 December 2016 19: 22
        0
        Yes, just Americans watch and make fun
        Our damn corpses consider
        Well, what the hell
        1. tundra
          tundra 3 December 2016 19: 23
          0
          The women will not give birth.
          1. iouris
            iouris 3 December 2016 22: 04
            +3
            From whom to give birth then? And also it is necessary to maintain and educate.
  20. salamandra2826
    salamandra2826 4 December 2016 16: 43
    +1
    Several years ago, while jumping in DOSAAF, paratroopers drowned in a pond (where there is no current), they showed it on TV. Then it turned out that two of the drowned had served in the Airborne Forces. Of course, about "another plane", for the reaction. The instructor himself, the problem has not been solved for several years.