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F-22 involved in Syria began to lose its “stealth”

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With the F-22 fighters involved in Syria, the radio-absorbing paint began to peel off, the reason for this could be adverse climatic conditions, reports MIC with reference to Aviation Week.


F-22 involved in Syria began to lose its “stealth”


“The F-22 fighter aircraft uses several stealth technologies to make aircraft less visible to optical and radar systems. In particular, the fighter’s anti-radar coating absorbs some of the radar's radiation. In general, thanks to all the stealth technologies used in the fighter, its effective scattering area (EPR), according to various sources, ranges from 0,0001 to 0,4 per square meter. For comparison, this indicator in a pigeon is equal to 0,01 square meter, ”writes the publication.

According to Lockheed Martin’s F-22 program manager John Kottam, “the radio-absorbing coating shrinks and begins to peel off due to the fact that it loses its hardness, gradually returning to its original liquid state.” According to him, this process is "accelerated by external factors, including rain and sand dust."

In this case, the publication notes that the exact reasons for the destruction of the coating at the official level is not disclosed.

Complaints about the destruction of the coating came from the US Air Force before. The paint began to shrink when it was hit with fuel or grease.

The company "Lockheed Martin" claim that they have already created a new reliable coating for combat aircraft, which is applied during the maintenance of vehicles.
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  1. insular
    insular 2 December 2016 08: 26
    +41
    This is normal. Winter molt ... Now it will peel off and become even more noticeable.
    1. Alex_Rarog
      Alex_Rarog 2 December 2016 08: 34
      +3
      Offset) will fall off and become not 5 but 4--)))) because it can’t fly)
      1. Giant thought
        Giant thought 2 December 2016 08: 47
        +5
        No one can guarantee that the new coating on F-22 will not peel off like the previous one, because it was also praised in due time so that the Air Force did not have any doubts about the quality, but it turned out to be all zilch.
        1. Thrall
          Thrall 2 December 2016 13: 39
          +1
          It's called "STELS Tears" smile
    2. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 2 December 2016 08: 35
      +12
      Quote: insular
      This is normal. Winter molt ...

      Why can't it be? RPP at "Raptor" were created long ago and are inferior to similar ones at "Lighting". But you must admit that this problem is completely solvable. And without much effort. But I think the comments expected in this article will please you. wink
      1. insular
        insular 2 December 2016 08: 40
        +22
        Aron, do you already want to tell me that the Raptor will fight with the Lightings? I’m not some kind of poop to be on such a cheap move.
        The conversation is still about where the Raptor is, and where is it all-weather? ... About which the deeply respected people were broadcasting to us.
        And we solve any question at all, and it’s not even a question, the question is who will pay for it?
        And I want to remind you that the resource of trees in the world is also limited, so that printing dollars will not work endlessly.
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 2 December 2016 08: 53
          +7
          Quote: insular
          Aron, do you already want to tell me that the Raptor will fight with the Lightings? I’m not some kind of poop to be on such a cheap move.
          The conversation is still about where the Raptor is, and where is it all-weather? ... About which the deeply respected people were broadcasting to us.
          And we solve any question at all, and it’s not even a question, the question is who will pay for it?
          And I want to remind you that the resource of trees in the world is also limited, so that printing dollars will not work endlessly.

          She is quite present. It's just that any RPP tends to age. And it needs to be updated over time. This should be done more frequently during intensive use in adverse conditions. Let me remind you that "Raptors" have been in service for over 10 years and this problem has emerged from him for the first time. It's okay for me. Moreover, the problem is largely attracted by journalists because there is nothing new here.
          1. insular
            insular 2 December 2016 09: 09
            +32
            Quote: Aron Zaavi
            "Raptors" have been in service for more than 10 years and this problem has emerged from him for the first time

            Why am I not surprised by this? Not that the Raptor has been in service for a long time, but that my comment will be followed by an attempt to pull a rubber product over a cactus ...
            After all, not at first, the fact that the Raptor coating does not withstand and crack and wrinkle has been a long time and every time, the proud sons of Israel, we were posted photographs that allegedly confirmed that this was not so ... Why now should it be different?
            This is just the first official confirmation. Otherwise, the Professor would have already been here and threw off a photograph of the Raptor under the snow, somewhere from the Ankorid region, with the words "Where are the cracks?" or from under Tehaschini in the sands, with about the same text. Is it the first time?

            It’s just some sort of uRaptariatism and urLaitingaatism, with bickering ... Not?
            "Hurray! And those who have no analogues in the world!" can only write ... some "specific representatives of a specific country" ... and only about F planes?
          2. NEXUS
            NEXUS 2 December 2016 13: 07
            +8
            Quote: Aron Zaavi
            Let me remind you that the "Raptors" have been in service for over 10 years and this problem has emerged from him for the first time

            Oh well ... for the first time?
            Pilots have previously complained about the destruction of the invisibility of the F-22. In 2009, former Lockheed Martin engineer Darrol Olsen accused the company of applying several extra layers of radar absorbing coatings in order to conceal that the film was easily erased by exposure to water, oil or fuel.

            I think that all these problems of the pangolin passed safely to Lightning.
          3. a
            a 2 December 2016 15: 04
            +2
            Actually, this is not the first time and somewhere this problem was voiced by the Americans themselves.
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        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 2 December 2016 09: 25
          +12
          Quote: Diana Ilyina
          Why, a Jew who does not admire "lighting" is no longer a Jew ?! This can already be considered the talk of the town. No, I certainly understand that all the problems of Fu-22 and Fu-35 are children's problems and the Jews will definitely solve them, but the number of these problems, for me personally, cannot but rejoice!
          if I were Russian, I would prefer to rejoice at the successes of the PAK FA program, and not from the problems of the F-22 and F-35. But everyone has their own reason for joy.
          1. novel66
            novel66 2 December 2016 09: 31
            +16
            two joys are more than one
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            1. Aaron Zawi
              Aaron Zawi 2 December 2016 10: 27
              +7
              Quote: Diana Ilyina

              So the difference is that I am proud that MY country is capable of developing and producing its own aircraft, which, by the way, I am sure, after all the refinements will be better both "raptor" and "lighting" (as was the case with the SU-27 ), and you, like shameful reptiles, bow down and rejoice that the Americans vtyuhayut you do not understand what, which then also have to be finished with a file! That's the whole difference. Rejoice further!

              What emotions laughing . Aren't you ashamed to compare the capabilities of 150 million states and 8 million? Compare Israel with the Kuban and Stavropol Territories. It is quite consistent in terms of population. Yesterday it was announced that the Israeli Aviation Industry has orders of $ 8.2 billion. So do not worry about our technological level. By the way, it’s also not worth it for the Americans. tongue
              1. Diana Ilyina
                Diana Ilyina 2 December 2016 10: 39
                +39
                Aron Zawi Today, 10:27 ↑
                What emotions are laughing. Aren't you ashamed to compare the capabilities of 150 million states and 8 million?
                Not ashamed! If you didn’t climb out of all the cracks like cockroaches, didn’t stick out your “chosenness” and “exclusivity”, didn’t throw mud at Russia and didn’t sing laudatory odes to the American military-industrial complex, then I wouldn’t have to poke your nose into your own manure, which you're throwing a lot on the fan!
                Compare Israel with the Kuban and Stavropol Territories
                I know the Stavropol Territory, I know the Krasnodar Territory, but I have never heard of the “Kuban”! Where is this ?!
                Yesterday it was reported that the Israeli Aviation Industry has orders of $ 8.2 billion
                Published where ?! In the most "honest" and "not polite" Israeli media ?! A lot is written on the fence too ...!
                So don’t worry about our technological level.
                I will be the last on Earth to worry about you! Too much honor!
                1. Aaron Zawi
                  Aaron Zawi 2 December 2016 10: 51
                  +10
                  Quote: Diana Ilyina
                  I will be the last on Earth to worry about you! Too much honor!
                  Well, I don’t know about honor, you know better, but your culture is “off scale”. laughing
                  1. Diana Ilyina
                    Diana Ilyina 2 December 2016 10: 57
                    +25
                    Aron Zawi Today, 10:51 ↑
                    Well, I don’t know about honor, you know better, but your culture is “off scale”.
                    I have already written many times, with normal people, I communicate normally! You and others like you do not fall into the category of normal ones, you are enemies, and the attitude towards enemies is corresponding! So you yourself deserve this attitude, do not blame me!
                    1. Aaron Zawi
                      Aaron Zawi 2 December 2016 11: 12
                      +7
                      Quote: Diana Ilyina
                      Aron Zawi Today, 10:51 ↑
                      Well, I don’t know about honor, you know better, but your culture is “off scale”.
                      I have already written many times, with normal people, I communicate normally! You and others like you do not fall into the category of normal ones, you are enemies, and the attitude towards enemies is corresponding! So you yourself deserve this attitude, do not blame me!

                      Yes to health. Well, are we enemies to you and your like-minded people, so what? So maybe you should just ignore us, and not react like a habalk on Privoz? Although if you need a scandal, then it will be for you. wink
                      1. Diana Ilyina
                        Diana Ilyina 2 December 2016 11: 22
                        +28
                        Aron Zawi Today, 11:12 ↑
                        Yes to health. Well, are we enemies to you and your like-minded people, so what? So maybe you should just ignore us, and not react like a habalk on Privoz?
                        Well, first of all, I don't know how it is with you on the Privoz, I was not there. Secondly, I react the way you deserve! Thirdly, not to react, it means letting you lie shamelessly, throwing mud at my country, so you won't wait, you will be actively receiving change!
                        Although if you need a scandal, then it will be for you.
                        Navel just do not tear! Good luck young man ...
                      2. Krabik
                        Krabik 2 December 2016 19: 58
                        +3
                        Aaron Zawi
                        just ignore


                        Enemies are engaged in subversive activities, agitation and provocation.

                        I have to react.

                        And Diana is very aggressive and I like it;)
                      3. HERMES
                        HERMES 2 December 2016 23: 37
                        +2
                        Quote: Aaron Zawi
                        Quote: Diana Ilyina
                        Aron Zawi Today, 10:51 ↑
                        Well, I don’t know about honor, you know better, but your culture is “off scale”.
                        I have already written many times, with normal people, I communicate normally! You and others like you do not fall into the category of normal ones, you are enemies, and the attitude towards enemies is corresponding! So you yourself deserve this attitude, do not blame me!

                        Yes to health. Well, are we enemies to you and your like-minded people, so what? So maybe you should just ignore us, and not react like a habalk on Privoz? Although if you need a scandal, then it will be for you. wink

                        Comrade ... the rise of Russia makes me happy. But along with it the people of Russia got a side effect ... and this effect reminds me of stories with antennae from the 30s of the last century. Patriotism is good ... it is necessary. I would even He said it was necessary. But when patriotism turns into nationalism, into the idea of ​​national superiority ... personally, it causes disgust for me. Blindness ... and hatred.
                        Russia went through a lot ... there were lessons and they were bloody, scary. And watching the events today ... what in most cases the Russian people are turning into ... I consider it regrettable.

                        Russia and Ukraine ... which side will finally wake up first and understand - what are they doing? They will put their pride in one place and see ...
                      4. IGS
                        IGS 3 December 2016 13: 27
                        0
                        Aron, just wondering .... And how do you know about Privoz? winked
              2. alexej123
                alexej123 2 December 2016 11: 22
                +14
                The first - there is no Kuban Territory, there is the Krasnodar Territory. If you had in mind the concept of Kuban, then for your information the Kuban River flows through Stavropol. There are the same Cossacks Kuban.
                Second, am I missing something, or are the Krasnodar and Stavropol Territories not part of Russia? I understand that these are the wet blue dreams of the "liberalistic free world" - the partition of Russia, but the thought is getting richer.
              3. a
                a 2 December 2016 15: 08
                +3
                Nevertheless, as was said above, the Israeli Aviation industry cannot make airplanes.
                1. Kaiten
                  Kaiten 2 December 2016 23: 02
                  +3
                  Quote: un-e
                  the Israeli Aviation industry cannot make airplanes.

                  Kfir
                  1. HERMES
                    HERMES 2 December 2016 23: 44
                    +4
                    IAI Kfir - Dassault.
                    IAI Lavi - General Dynamics.

                    Are there projects from scratch?
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                      1. IGS
                        IGS 3 December 2016 17: 42
                        +1
                        About tuevu drones I write to write?
                        Let's not confuse soft with warm. III, so answer me, how do you know about Privoz? And I will answer about drones winked
              4. iConst
                iConst 2 December 2016 15: 50
                +6
                Quote: Aron Zaavi
                Aren't you ashamed to compare the capabilities of 150 million states and 8 million?

                In fact, there is such a country as Sweden. 9.5 million population. However, "pulls" a sickly complex of military developments, including not the worst fighter. Plus self-propelled guns, other light armored vehicles.
            2. avia1991
              avia1991 2 December 2016 10: 30
              +9
              Quote: Diana Ilyina
              you like shameful reptiles jackals bow

              Everything is fine and beautiful. It was up to this point. You shouldn’t be so, Diana - they ruined all your essay winked
              THEY are not Russians! And that's it. Let them chirp to themselves: our heads somehow agree, our supporters in Israel itself are also many. And such .. "broadcasters" - and there are many of them! "Democracy", however: everyone is free to chat what they want wink
              1. Diana Ilyina
                Diana Ilyina 2 December 2016 11: 01
                +21
                avia1991 Today, 10:30 ↑
                Everything is fine and beautiful. It was up to this point. You shouldn’t be so, Diana - they ruined all your essay
                Well, excuse me for what it is! I used to call white white, not black, black black and not white, blacks are blacks, not African-Americans, and enemies are enemies, not partners! So brought up.
                1. avia1991
                  avia1991 2 December 2016 12: 08
                  +6
                  Quote: Diana Ilyina
                  and enemies are enemies

                  Just about, with this you have gone too far. Then write specifically: "Aaron - you are my enemy!" And Russia has normal relations with Israel, and - I repeat - there are quite a few of our supporters in Israel. And you all indiscriminately - in the enemy camp .. Emotions are understandable - but their demonstration is not always acceptable.
                  Quote: Diana Ilyina
                  So brought up.
                  But don’t add on parents! Why do we own a head?
                  1. Diana Ilyina
                    Diana Ilyina 2 December 2016 12: 33
                    +15
                    avia1991 Today, 12:08 ↑
                    And Russia has normal relations with Israel, and - I repeat - there are quite a few supporters of ours in Israel.
                    Yes, but the trouble is what, these "normal" relationships go sideways to us! Because the "valiant" Israeli Air Force, instead of helping us to bomb the Barmaley, without embarrassing our Aerospace Forces, periodically bomb our Syrian allies! And so, yes, peace-friendship-chewing gum ...!
                    Emotions are understandable - but their demonstration is not always acceptable.
                    Sorry, but as many here consider a woman = a fool, and therefore what to take from me!
                    But don’t add on parents! Why do we own a head?
                    And I don’t add up! My emotions and feelings, these are just my emotions and feelings. Well, I hate enemies with all the fibers of my soul and I can not do anything about it! I could have scratched my eyes through the monitor, some would have scratched my eyes for a long time! But here, if only, if only! Pichalka.
                    1. Temples
                      Temples 2 December 2016 13: 10
                      +4
                      Diana, you are smart. hi
                      1. Diana Ilyina
                        Diana Ilyina 2 December 2016 13: 46
                        +12
                        Temples Today, 13: 10 ↑
                        Diana, you are smart. hi
                        Thank you Vladimir, on a kind word! love Not often here you have to hear this!
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                    1. avia1991
                      avia1991 2 December 2016 16: 24
                      +6
                      Quote: Vitaliy72
                      Avia Are you a latent Jew?


                      Excuse me or how, but before making such conclusions, you should at least read what a person writes in general, and then turn on the moshkh and think about why he wrote that.
                      If you are personally bursting with pride from how well you "bit" the son of Israel on VO - I am sad for the site. By your behavior, both you and Diana, in this case, only pour water on the mill of these comrades! In noble anger, you rush at the embrasure - but the embrasure is not there! It was the Jews who set you up a hologram - and they’re neighing, watching you spray gall wassat ..
                      How much space is taken for these showdowns, how much strength! .. And what is the result? Did you prove something to them? Could you convince? Do not make me laugh. They don’t give a damn about all the cries - you still won’t be able to get them, and they’ll be able to have fun looking at your ardor.
                      I respect Diana. And he wrote to her because she didn’t match her tone, and the words weren’t quite the same, and even more so - rudeness - it was not typical for her. She is a WOMAN, and as a rule, this can be seen in the comments. AND "women" they just don’t come here.
                      As for the Jews - I prefer not to answer them, although it doesn’t always work out at all, but I should: IGNOR is the best remedy against them. In this case, in order to attract attention, they will have to "give birth" to really smart things, and whoever cannot - will simply knock them off the site, because if there is no communication, there is no response to your thoughts - what to do here?
                      Something like this. You can be offended, I won’t apologize for the word at the beginning of the comment: if you took me that seriously, it means that you are the same!
                      hi I have the honor.
                      1. Krabik
                        Krabik 2 December 2016 21: 48
                        +2
                        I agree with you, they stupidly poison us like dogs.

                        I often noticed the same problem as Diana.

                        We will be treated%)
                2. HERMES
                  HERMES 2 December 2016 23: 51
                  +3
                  Quote: Diana Ilyina
                  avia1991 Today, 10:30 ↑
                  Everything is fine and beautiful. It was up to this point. You shouldn’t be so, Diana - they ruined all your essay
                  Well, excuse me for what it is! I used to call white white, not black, black black and not white, blacks are blacks, not African-Americans, and enemies are enemies, not partners! So brought up.


                  Black and white .... someday you can understand - that there is something in the middle. That is what has the properties of both black and white.
            3. Winnie76
              Winnie76 2 December 2016 11: 17
              +1
              Quote: Diana Ilyina
              what you Americans vtyuhayut it is not clear what, which then

              Do not vtyuhayut, and give. No pay. But I would take the F-15 in place of the Jews
              1. Aaron Zawi
                Aaron Zawi 2 December 2016 11: 56
                +4
                Quote: Winnie76
                Quote: Diana Ilyina
                what you Americans vtyuhayut it is not clear what, which then

                Do not vtyuhayut, and give. No pay. But I would take the F-15 in place of the Jews

                Most likely we'll take another 25.
          3. Alexanast
            Alexanast 2 December 2016 10: 42
            +23
            if I were Russian, I would prefer to rejoice at the success of the PAK FA program


            Feel the difference. Russian rejoices Russian plane, and a Jew ... winked
            And the Jew rejoices that not everything is good in Russia so far.
            1. Aaron Zawi
              Aaron Zawi 2 December 2016 10: 56
              +3
              Quote: Alexanast

              Feel the difference. Russian rejoices Russian plane, and a Jew ... winked
              And the Jew rejoices that he does not invent the wheel. Why should a small country do everything herself if she can buy what she needs!
              And the Jew rejoices that not everything is good in Russia so far.

              Aren't you all right? belay After all, one PAK FA can bring down a dozen F-35 without straining. They explained the situation to me here. So everything is fine with you, and not just good.
              1. Alexanast
                Alexanast 2 December 2016 11: 02
                +11
                They explained the situation to me here. So everything is fine with you, not just good


                Well, do not believe everything they say and write. Diana has already explained to you, behind the fence is not at all what is written on it.
                1. Aaron Zawi
                  Aaron Zawi 2 December 2016 11: 13
                  +3
                  Quote: Alexanast

                  Well, do not believe everything they say and write. Diana has already explained to you, behind the fence is not at all what is written on it.
                  here she certainly knows better.
                  1. Alexanast
                    Alexanast 2 December 2016 11: 30
                    +12
                    here she certainly knows better.


                    Diana knows about this, but I would not advise you to check - there may be an angry dog.
              2. alexej123
                alexej123 2 December 2016 11: 26
                +5
                We rejoice that we ourselves ensure our security, we DO NOT ASK ANYONE FOR ANYTHING. Good or bad live? Maybe. But we live by ourselves, without handouts.
              3. NEXUS
                NEXUS 2 December 2016 13: 01
                +12
                Quote: Aron Zaavi
                Why should a small country do everything herself if she can buy what she needs!

                Then what kind of sovereignty are we talking about? There to buy, beg here ... and if Washington tells the pots to put on their heads, because you’ll put them on, you won’t get anywhere, because you completely and completely depend on them. You are the same Hohland for the USA, only more sleek and your own.
                And most interestingly, you understand that. That is why you are defending the F-35 project and the dinosaur, as this is the creation of your masters. And your self-deception about the fact that you can buy everything you need, and you are so small very touched. If the state is not able to protect itself and ensure its security, it is not sovereign and not free. If tomorrow the USA closes this cornucopia with weapons and Russia does not sell anything, what will you do? To buy from third-party states? And so if they block it?
                At the same time, I’m talking not only about weapons. Oil, gas and so on ...
                1. tilix
                  tilix 2 December 2016 14: 41
                  +3
                  Then what kind of sovereignty are we talking about?
                  Was in Moscow, domestic cars on the roads percent 10. And there, you provide yourself bully . You live in Ljaland. You think up nonsense, and chat with it where not getting.
                  1. NEXUS
                    NEXUS 2 December 2016 15: 16
                    +11
                    Quote: tilix
                    Then what kind of sovereignty are we talking about?
                    Was in Moscow, domestic cars on the roads percent 10. And there, you provide yourself bully . You live in Ljaland. You think up nonsense, and chat with it where not getting.

                    We, dear mattress, under the USSR, rode beautifully on Zhiguli, and especially did not worry. By the way, do you provide yourself with space engines or are you also sitting in Lalyaland? Or maybe your production is not transferred to China, why did the middle class send Hillary so much fun? Or maybe you started to produce fine-grained metals, or to process titanium?
                    1. Krabik
                      Krabik 2 December 2016 21: 55
                      +1
                      NEXUS


                      Rare earth metals(fine metals).

                      And yet, yes, we have imported brands of cars with localization in the Russian Federation and the engines are already starting to do, and not just weld the bodies.

                      It’s a very effective approach to competition for markets, instead of head-on competition like China.
                    2. tilix
                      tilix 3 December 2016 00: 08
                      +1
                      and you provide yourself with space engines
                      If you knew why engines from Russia are used in America, you probably were ashamed to talk about this at all. They are bought on a tender because they are the cheapest. And there too.
                      In general, turn to someone who exclaims about self-sufficiency.
                      And who besides you? Your people, for the most part, do not buy your cars. Self-sufficiency, of course.
                      1. NEXUS
                        NEXUS 3 December 2016 00: 20
                        +5
                        Quote: tilix
                        They buy them on a tender, because they are the cheapest.

                        Yah! Just because it’s cheaper, or maybe because your boasted industry has declared that such an engine is IMPOSSIBLE to create? And when they saw hundreds of serial RD-180s with us, did they shrug? No? So who is to be ashamed of then?
                        You scold our cars ... because we live somehow. And you cut off the supply of titanium, do not sell RD-180, stop selling rare earth metals, without which electronics cannot exist and where will you be? Aircraft industry will become, space programs will become, and electronics covered with a copper basin, and with it and IT technology and so on ... and we run on our Lada Vesta and IKS Trail ...
                      2. tilix
                        tilix 3 December 2016 00: 42
                        +2
                        Just because it's cheaper
                        yes
                        do not sell RD-180
                        We’ll be happy to see that you pay a penalty and start to think with your head. Would you check who buys more from whom? we sit up and wonder about self-sufficiency.
                        http://www.tradingeconomics.com/russia/balance-of
                        -trade
                      3. avia1991
                        avia1991 3 December 2016 21: 25
                        0
                        Quote: tilix
                        And who besides you? Your people, for the most part, do not buy your cars. Self-sufficiency, of course.

                        Fiddle with statistics, it was odd: most of the market in Russia is occupied by the products of domestic car factories. And if you add the foreign cars that we are going to in Russia - it turns out that there is practically no net import on sale! And if you recall how insignificant the share of Amer’s cars is .. wassat I just want to write: "whose cow would moan .."
                        Quote: tilix
                        If you knew why engines from Russia are used in America

                        We know that. But to you - ordinary American "burghers" - your government will never tell the Truth, for it’s a shame: Amer’s own industry can’t even get any closer to the parameters that our engines have been stably giving out for almost 25 years!
                        Go pray your star-striped - and bainki, it's time to watch another fairy tale about American exceptionalism laughing
                        PS Purely for reference - you trump, on occasion wink : RD-180 USA buy from Russia for a simple reason: because in the world there is not only a serial - not even an experienced analogue. tongue
                  2. alexej123
                    alexej123 2 December 2016 15: 26
                    +6
                    You take an interest in places of production of foreign cars? Kaluga, Peter, Tolyatti, Nizhny Novgorod, Kaliningrad. Have you sent your plants to Kuda? And where are the Americans working?
                  3. sdc_alex
                    sdc_alex 2 December 2016 19: 57
                    +3
                    Was in Moscow, domestic cars on the roads percent 10. And there, you provide yourself bully. You live in Ljaland. You think up nonsense, and chat with it where not getting.


                    How did you now try to move off the topic ... good
                    Talk about military equipment and weapons. Can you name the percentage in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation of imported weapons and military equipment?
                2. Pajamas
                  Pajamas 4 December 2016 23: 11
                  0
                  Quote: NEXUS
                  Quote: Aron Zaavi
                  Why should a small country do everything herself if she can buy what she needs!

                  Then what kind of sovereignty are we talking about? There to buy, beg here ... and if Washington tells the pots to put on their heads, because you’ll put them on, you won’t get anywhere, because you completely and completely depend on them. You are the same Hohland for the USA, only more sleek and your own.
                  And most interestingly, you understand that. That is why you are defending the F-35 project and the dinosaur, as this is the creation of your masters. And your self-deception about the fact that you can buy everything you need, and you are so small very touched. If the state is not able to protect itself and ensure its security, it is not sovereign and not free. If tomorrow the USA closes this cornucopia with weapons and Russia does not sell anything, what will you do? To buy from third-party states? And so if they block it?
                  At the same time, I’m talking not only about weapons. Oil, gas and so on ...

                  And where did you get the idea that America is the mistress of Israel? It seems to me everything on the contrary is that Israel does what it wants and milks the United States as it can, what is your logic? I have a normal attitude towards Israel and the Jews, they are smart, mostly educated people, not without their own "pleading", but I cannot compare with our remote places. I don’t need to talk about the epic Russians I live for several years, I was in a Tver house on Seleger, for objective reasons We were there for a couple of years, EVERYONE plundered even the glass was removed from the windows, which they could not carry was broken, our people are both a great feat and meanness and meanness no less. Let's not talk about the manuals Here - "The theoretical foundations of research and analysis of latent crime." This is the result of a 10-year study by scientists of the Research Institute of the Academy of the Prosecutor General's Office of the Russian Federation under the guidance of Professor Sergei Inshakov. 46 murders a year 000 murders per 31 population, in the US -100, ahead of us only Honduras, El Salvador, Venezuela and a couple of three African zhivoglots. For a year in the world of 000 murders, we have 5% of the world in absolute terms, we have no analogues. What can we say about everyday life drunken hooliganism and theft. And so yes - the main trouble is not we ourselves, but the Jews.
                  1. NEXUS
                    NEXUS 4 December 2016 23: 22
                    +2
                    Quote: Pajama
                    And where did you get that America is the mistress of Israel?

                    Where did you read that statement? No need to juggle, dear. I said that Israel is very dependent on the United States. In this case, your
                    Quote: Pajama
                    It seems to me that everything is on the back; Israel does what it wants and milk the USA as it can,

                    Not at the box office at all ... maybe there is England, which is the true owner of the United States and Israel has nothing to do with it.
                    Quote: Pajama
                    And so yes - the main trouble is not ourselves, but the Jews.

                    And where did I write that the Jews are to blame, dear? And by the way, where does your statistic come from?
                    1. Pajamas
                      Pajamas 5 December 2016 03: 18
                      0
                      [quote] [quote = NEXUS] [quote = Pajama] And where did you get that America is the mistress of Israel? [/ quote]
                      Where did you read that statement? No need to juggle, dear. I said that Israel is very dependent on the United States. At the same time, your- [quote = Pajama] It seems to me everything in turn is Israel does what it wants and milk the USA as it can, [/ quote] [/ quote]
                      Hmm, what is this?
                      [quote] [quote = NEXUS] Then what kind of sovereignty are we talking about? There to buy, beg here ... and if Washington tells the pots to put on their heads, because you’ll put them on, you won’t get anywhere, because you completely and completely depend on them. You are the same Hohland for the USA, only more sleek and your own.
                      And most interestingly, you understand that. That is why you are defending the F-35 project and the dinosaur, as this is the creation of your owners. [/ Quote] [/ quote]
                      Here are your words about the owner, the memory is failing, or are you ready at any moment to give up your words?
                      1. NEXUS
                        NEXUS 5 December 2016 13: 29
                        +2
                        Quote: Pajama
                        pangolins, maybe this is the creation of your masters

                        Yes, I said this and say it ... your statement that everything on the contrary does not stand up to criticism at all, since the true owners of the USA are England. And it always has been. Explain the sovereignty of Israel? But Obama himself, since he already has nothing to lose, can, for example, recognize such a state as Palestine without regard to Israel. And what will Tel Aviv do in response?
                        Quote: Pajama
                        Here are your words about the owner, the memory is failing, or are you ready at any moment to give up your words?

                        No, my memory is fine. Only I did not see your arguments in favor of your position.
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      3. Fitter65
        Fitter65 2 December 2016 12: 51
        +7
        Yes, it’s okay to make excuses, it’s just that the Russian Aerospace Forces, when operating surveillance radars for transmission, pour a little abrasive powder of the 100th fraction into the radio beam, so it’s reptile and peels off this expensive coating ... laughing hi
      4. opus
        opus 2 December 2016 15: 46
        +12
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        o agree that this problem is completely solvable. And without much effort

        what
        1) An-24RV. The cost of painting the aircraft is 29 700 US dollars.
        2) the cost of painting the Tu-154 aircraft with polyurethane paints in those years amounted to 70-80 thousand dollars, Tu-134 aircraft - 40-50 thousand dollars(this is July 2004)
        3) Cetus is painted using the best and most durable materials. The average cost of a single coloration is $ 10 000
        Cetus aircraft about the size of a Yak 52 ()
        4) As a result, 23 foreign liner and two domestic aircraft still painted. Representatives of Landor Associates, who for their services, according to unofficial information, received about 30% of the total cost of the project (that is, $ 600 000-900 000) we are talking about repainting S7 aircraft in green)
        I’m not much mistaken if I assume that the cost of painting (repainting) F-22 will be approximately 200 000 $ apiece (taking into account logistics and to tear off, recycle the old)).

        There and the paint is "different", painters with tolerances, the requirements for the thickness are different.
        "strip off, dispose of old paint":
        Mi-8 in 1983, that the difference in weight of a conventional helicopter to this shape and after "refinishing" up to 900 kg only due to long-term layers of paint.
        all 186 F-22s will be repainted need to be tinted / repainted,
        PHYSICAL POSSIBILITIES paint brushes 12-15 machines a YEAR !!!!
        Those. less than 5% of the fleet is operational.
        It is still worth

        Not ... of course there is "infa"

        USAF Eyes Robotic Repair To F-22 Stealth Coating
        250 d. US apiece F-22 (painting) ... fool
        but it must be exactly a manager or UO, what would you believe in these things
        To understand the falsity of a statement
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        without much effort.
        rate:


        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        With intensive use in adverse conditions, this must be done more often.

        1. Intensive operation - no, the hour is too expensive and there are no tasks for it
        2. The conditions are the same as in America.
        Hochma

        Quote: John Cottam
        John Cottam, "The radar absorbing coating wrinkles and begins to peel off because it loses its hardness, gradually returning to its original liquid state." According to him, this process “is accelerated by external factors, including rain and sand dust.

        Where are the rains and sandstorms? in Turkey? in KSA?
        Echelon where the F-22 flies at least 5000, there are no sand storms and "rains"

        PS ... Who else believes in
        Quote: author
        its effective scattering area (EPR), according to various sources, is from 0,0001
        1. Krabik
          Krabik 2 December 2016 22: 03
          +2
          its effective scattering area (EPR), according to various sources, is from 0,0001


          In general, these measurements were taken after a nuclear explosion in front of the locator.
          After the wave of electromagnetic radiation, the radars go blind and the FU-22 becomes invisible and blind, like the mosquito Petya from the tale of 8 bears and a glass of vodka ...
          1. opus
            opus 3 December 2016 02: 01
            +1
            Quote: Krabik
            In general, these measurements were taken after a nuclear explosion in front of the locator.

            ?????

            In 1996, the Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty was signed, and countries that have ratified the Treaty have pledged not to resume nuclear weapons testing.

            RAPTOR has just begun to smell!
            USA - September 23 1992 of the year, the last UNDERGROUND NUCLEAR explosion
    3. Iline
      Iline 2 December 2016 08: 50
      +2
      It was smooth on paper and forgot about the ravines ....
    4. Wildowl
      Wildowl 2 December 2016 12: 31
      0
      It will peel and not evenly grow. A miracle of technology - a hairy fighter! (like humor)
    5. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 2 December 2016 14: 45
      +1
      In vain they rolled out of good hangars, there they would not have peeled off. laughing
      1. Kasym
        Kasym 2 December 2016 16: 17
        +2
        Who can clarify. Is it a RADIO ABSORBENT COATING or DIFFUSION? Rather the second than the first. Because you can understand the second, but the first is more likely that the journalists "stuck" their definition.
        A paint and varnish product that is capable of scattering radar radiation was back in the USSR. But as I understand it, it was not an easy task - it was necessary to cover in a certain way and for a long time it was not enough. hi
        1. Iline
          Iline 2 December 2016 16: 44
          +1
          Any absorption of energy involves heating the absorbing surface. Too interesting solution for heating an airplane using external energy sources, isn't it? And how will it look in the IR range?
          So, most likely, this is a scattering coating.
        2. opus
          opus 2 December 2016 16: 56
          +5
          Quote: Kasym
          Who can clarify. THIS IS A RADIO COVERING COVER

          If about what "peels off" is "Anti-radar coating of a fighter that absorbs part of the radar radiation."
          The thickness is too thin to "scatter"

          but I think it’s a duck AW

          these are marks about sorties against the Caliphate aboard the American F-22 Raptor
          1. Kasym
            Kasym 5 December 2016 08: 59
            +1
            In the USSR, the smallest rectangular aluminum plates (if you want nano-particles) were added to the paint and varnish product. When applying this varnish, the plates lay down randomly, at different angles to the surface of the fuselage - they scattered radio waves in different directions. Therefore, I write that the method of application was special and this varnish was quickly "erased". hi
            As far as I remember, the radar receivers received no more than 20% compared to aircraft without this coverage. This method was developed, if not mistaken, in the 70-80s in the Union.
            But how do you imagine "absorption"?
  2. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 2 December 2016 08: 34
    +1
    Guys, take the brushes and go ahead ... restore the "super paint", and if not, we will fit you a couple of cans of "secret" enamel .... laughing
  3. Smoked
    Smoked 2 December 2016 08: 38
    +1
    Well, great. You look, some company will invest money in the development of a coating for a sustainable abrasive and there will be profit. And the military there will get what they wanted and can give something to the civilian market. I would not refuse such coverage for cars.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 2 December 2016 08: 39
      +4
      Quote: Smoked
      I would not refuse such coverage for cars.

      Does your car fly?
      1. Atheist 13
        Atheist 13 2 December 2016 08: 44
        +6
        Will be invisible to police radars lol
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 2 December 2016 08: 47
          +5
          Quote: Atheist 13
          Will be invisible to police radars

          Atheist, most importantly believe
          1. novel66
            novel66 2 December 2016 08: 53
            +2
            you need to listen to Konashenkov before you drive
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            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 2 December 2016 09: 23
              +3
              Quote: Atheist 13
              and the party, United Russia, is selflessly devoted to the ideas of the party and I fulfill all the instructions of the president’s message !!!

              Stop drinking in the morning
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        2. Corsair
          Corsair 2 December 2016 09: 25
          +2
          police measure the speed with a laser, there radio stealth doesn’t play a role very much laughing
          1. marshes
            marshes 2 December 2016 09: 37
            +2
            Quote: Corsair
            police measure the speed with a laser, there radio stealth doesn’t play a role very much

            You and we have banned them without a video fix, mostly radio-frequency ones. Although there are hybrid specimens.
            And there are stationary ones, according to the induction principle. One cable is mounted in the roadway 100m to the camera of the other behind it.
            1. alexej123
              alexej123 2 December 2016 15: 27
              0
              On average measure?
              1. marshes
                marshes 2 December 2016 15: 55
                +2
                Quote: alexej123
                On average measure?

                which principle?
                The first induction principle, about 12 years ago, became interested in the cables nailed to the roadway at the stationary post of the Traffic Police. "Rubezh" There the limit is up to 40 km / h. , the calculation of the speed is due to the time between the sensors, now I reset the speed by the sign. I don't like letters of happiness.
                Now I’ve looked in the network, they can cover the entire area with cables, there are still sensors on the piezoelectric elements.
                1. alexej123
                  alexej123 2 December 2016 16: 08
                  +2
                  That's right. We heard they do it this way: In a certain area with a speed limit, two cameras are installed. Speed ​​and time on one and the other. Even if you were driving in front of them, they are calculated according to the average speed between them. If it is exceeded, keep a letter.
      2. Smoked
        Smoked 2 December 2016 08: 50
        0
        No, but I want an abrasion resistant paint.
        1. marshes
          marshes 2 December 2016 09: 00
          +2
          Quote: Smoked
          No, but I want an abrasion resistant paint.

          Carbon coating will work? Can Gravitex be cheaper.
        2. avia1991
          avia1991 2 December 2016 12: 15
          +1
          Quote: Smoked
          No, but I want an abrasion resistant paint.

          They have been selling it for free for a long time, but the same Americans are riveting .. A really strong coating - the current does not shine, scratching in appearance and to the touch. Who participates in jeep pokatushki - use with pleasure.
      3. svp67
        svp67 2 December 2016 10: 35
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Does your car fly?

        Apparently sometimes, when the traffic police inspector looks at her photo from the video recording camera, he thinks that YES, but so low, low ...
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  4. Terminolol
    Terminolol 2 December 2016 08: 38
    +1
    Yes, it’s clear what reason ... the offended pigeon shit, and that’s it. He leaves for a car, and here is a high-tech coating, God himself ordered.
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  6. parkello
    parkello 2 December 2016 08: 52
    +9
    I just wondered just who F-22 are fighting in Syria? they are so invisible that neither their work is visible. do they have traces of bombing also using stealth technology? flew invisibly straight, bombed invisibly, left invisible craters and destruction ... not just a song fellow what karoshi little thing etat fu-22 ... give two!
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 2 December 2016 09: 18
      +1
      Quote: parkello
      I just wondered just who F-22 are fighting in Syria?

      They scare us or try to scare us, but what?
      Quote: parkello
      they are so invisible that neither their work is visible. do they have traces of bombing also using stealth technology?

      Well, sort of, really our people don’t know about it.
      1. parkello
        parkello 2 December 2016 09: 22
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Quote: parkello
        I just wondered just who F-22 are fighting in Syria?

        They scare us or try to scare us, but what?
        Quote: parkello

        Well, sort of, really our people don’t know about it.
        Well, the first question is, why ... we need invisible planes in the war with ISIS, do the Igilovites have air defense or aviation? Well, the second to the first about intimidation - but they themselves are not afraid?
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 2 December 2016 09: 32
          +1
          Quote: parkello
          Well, the first question is, why ... we need stealth planes in the war with ISIS

          I kind of wrote in Russian. That they scare us. ISIS + Pentagon = Democracy.
          Quote: parkello
          but they themselves are not afraid?

          Of course not, they don’t fly close
          1. parkello
            parkello 2 December 2016 09: 46
            +2
            Vaughn Che .. otherwise I didn’t immediately understand something. I didn’t sleep at night, and this slows down the brain. need to rest. don’t be angry, when I read in different languages, sometimes I don’t always immediately understand what I’m talking about. .
    2. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 2 December 2016 11: 21
      +7
      "I just wondered who the F-22 is fighting with in Syria" ////

      They accompany the Syrian fighters, not getting too close. And by the way,
      American pilots claim that the Syrians have never noticed their presence. wink
      Like that "specialty work". I fully admit that they also check air defense unobtrusively.
      1. Alexanast
        Alexanast 2 December 2016 11: 33
        +9
        Well time

        American pilots claim that the Syrians have never noticed their presence


        That, probably, is so ... lol
      2. a
        a 2 December 2016 15: 13
        0
        those. how do spies spy? and if something, from around the corner how will the hooligans attack?
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 2 December 2016 19: 33
          +2
          You are absolutely right. This is precisely the tactics of stealth fighter actions.
      3. alexej123
        alexej123 2 December 2016 15: 29
        +1
        And I didn’t see them, I swear by Mom!
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  8. Odysseus
    Odysseus 2 December 2016 08: 59
    +1
    By the way, this is a systemic problem. She is constantly pursuing the Raptor, stealth is, of course, good, but RPMs are very sensitive and easily deteriorate. As a result, Stealth planes require quality service and still face various restrictions.
    Let's see how the Americans cope in this regard with the F-35 which they are going to use around the world and in critical conditions (from aircraft carriers, with vertical take-off, etc.)
    Ours and the Chinese also have to go through all this hemorrhoids with aircraft maintenance with low ESR.
    1. marshes
      marshes 2 December 2016 09: 05
      +2
      Quote: Odyssey
      Ours and the Chinese also have to go through all this hemorrhoids with aircraft maintenance with low ESR.

      By the way, the F-117 shot down in Yugoslavia is in assembled condition, without a bow, in China.
      1. Odysseus
        Odysseus 2 December 2016 09: 12
        +1
        Quote: marshes
        By the way, the F-117 shot down in Yugoslavia is in assembled condition, without a bow, in China

        I saw a satellite photo of a copy, hardly a native F-117.
        By the way, servicing the F-117 was one more trash blow, it was largely because of this that the plane was written off quite quickly, while waiting for more technologically advanced machines.
        1. marshes
          marshes 2 December 2016 09: 25
          +1
          Quote: Odyssey
          I saw a satellite photo of a copy, hardly a native F-117.

          So the Americans checked with a satellite radar, confirmed.
          Quote: Odyssey
          By the way, servicing the F-117 was one more trash blow, it was largely because of this that the plane was written off quite quickly, while waiting for more technologically advanced machines.

          I watched about him, they still remembered the scientific defector. Mol is a technological diversion of the USSR against the United States.
          And so a flying iron with emf.
          1. Odysseus
            Odysseus 2 December 2016 09: 34
            +1
            Quote: marshes
            So the Americans checked with a satellite radar, confirmed.

            That this is "native" and not a Chinese fake? Curiously, I have not heard about this.
            Quote: marshes
            And so a flying iron with emf.

            Well, his fighting history is not bad, but very expensive and trashy to maintain.
            The Americans keep them in good condition, so they can potentially fly.
            1. marshes
              marshes 2 December 2016 09: 42
              +1
              Quote: Odyssey
              That this is "native" and not a Chinese fake? Curiously, I have not heard about this.

              Seriously, from the beginning, users of Google’s images were noticed, the command knew quite well, I had to be the first to admit, others have the same satellites.
              Quote: Odyssey
              Well, his fighting history is not bad, but very expensive and trashy to maintain.
              The Americans keep them in good condition, so they can potentially fly.

              In this matter I respect them, conservation, and conditions allow.
  9. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 2 December 2016 09: 00
    +1
    I will sell paints, enamels from all over the world, including from the USA. Deliveries from Russia to Syria on the terms of self-pickup by F-22 aircraft through the cordons S-300, S-400, S-500. Survivors will receive surprises from "Shells" and "Thors".
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  11. NordUral
    NordUral 2 December 2016 09: 18
    +3
    In general, thanks to all the stealth technologies used in the fighter, its effective dispersion area (EPR), according to various sources, ranges from 0,0001 to 0,4 square meters. For comparison, the pigeon’s figure is 0,01 square meters, ”the newspaper writes.
    Therefore, 0,0001 is a stupid and impudent lie. 0,4 most likely corresponds to reality. And the question is: what are these poor conditions in Syria? Except for dust, they don’t fly into a storm.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 2 December 2016 11: 28
      +3
      And why should a military firm declare an airplane that is not for sale,
      "arrogant and stupid lie"? What is the point?
      EPR is determined not on a computer, not in a laboratory, but in practice: when flying from different angles near air defense radars. They have radars, both domestic and foreign (including S-300).
      Why not measure the real EPR and publish it?
      1. Parsec
        Parsec 2 December 2016 14: 59
        +5
        Quote: voyaka uh
        EPR is determined not on a computer, not in a laboratory, but in practice: when flying from different angles near air defense radars.


        EPR is determined on a computer, in a laboratory, in an anechoic chamber. In all other cases, the EPR will float to a large extent. In practice, the capabilities of this complex to detect this aircraft from a given position in a given weather at a given time of the year at a given time of the day are determined.

        Again you are interpreting the unknown to you.
      2. opus
        opus 2 December 2016 16: 07
        +6
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Why not measure the real EPR and publish it?

        because the image intensifier tube (EPR, RCS) in 0,0001 is bullshit
        And this nonsense is easy to dispel
        1.RCS in 0,0001 square meters is the disk area 0,0001 square meters of an ideal and isotropic re-emitter, which, when placed at the target location, creates the same power flux density at the location of the radar antenna as the real target
        2.F-22 has AN / APG-77 radars behind a RADIO-TRANSPARENT nose fairing.

        Diameter AFAR: 0,813 m, Essno Area 0,519 sq.m
        Thickness (as Volume: 0,275 m³) = 0,53 m
        Those. EVEN when irradiated strictly below the EPR of the rectangle will be comparable to
        0,53X 0,813 = 0,43 sq.m (this is not true, since it is not a flat plate, the angle of incidence is not taken into account, there is no distance to the radar)
        So let it be "vzlyad", if compared with "dove"

        AND THIS excluding the OTHER DRUG

        You can turn the Disk of the AFAR blade as you like, but you won’t get 0,0001.
        And I'm not talking about the rest: engines, pilot, electronic tripe, power elements, fasteners, pilot's seat, hydraulic cylinders and rods, etc. /
        Data all the tricks are for the far zone of the radar.


        Near all these tricks are not relevant

        Nonsense in 0,0001 is NOT possible, even if their fairing can become either radio-transparent, then radio-absorbing
        1. Operator
          Operator 2 December 2016 16: 59
          +1
          The fifth generation aircraft:
          - the radar antenna in the idle position is closed by a radio-absorbing curtain;
          - the radar antenna blade is deflected into the upper hemisphere, so when the curtain is open, the signal reflected from the canvas goes away from the enemy’s aircraft.

          But there is a big "but" - the omnidirectional edge reflection of the antenna (with the curtain open) is equivalent to the reflection of about 1/5 of the entire area of ​​the antenna, which is 0,1 square meters in this example.

          Another 0,1 sq. M is added by an OLS matrix and IR / UV sensors (in the idle position, deployed by 180 degrees).

          Plus, an additional glider adds 0,2 sq.m (the 0,02 sq.m indicator was achieved only in one aircraft - F-117 due to the radio-absorbing cellular filling of the glider with a thickness of 200 mm, as a result of which the carrying capacity and flight range decreased sharply).

          Total ESR of the fifth generation aircraft is at least 0,4 sq. M with open radars / OLS and 0,2 sq. M with closed radars / OLS. And this is only with radar irradiation strictly on the course. When the probe beam falls at a different angle, the ESR of the aircraft increases by an order of magnitude.

          Well, for dessert - with the radar on, the fifth generation fighter is comparable to the B-52 bomber with the radar off.
          1. Muvka
            Muvka 2 December 2016 17: 23
            +1
            A fairing where did you divide? Is he also hiding behind a radio-absorbing curtain?
            1. Operator
              Operator 2 December 2016 17: 26
              0
              Radar nose radar is transparent (does not reflect), by definition, for both its own and for someone else's radiation.
          2. opus
            opus 4 December 2016 14: 01
            +1
            1. Show me the shutter (I guess the roll?)
            If there is such a THICKNESS RP curtain, I propose to immediately cover her la, why be wise?
            2. About the corners of the headlights, I wrote as if not a mess ... and how not a mess, do not turn off the la means BLIND!

            3. About "dessert" is nonsense.
            Not when the heat of -22 will not be equal to the heat of -52! Even if f-22 assemble from corner reflectors
            1. Operator
              Operator 4 December 2016 16: 10
              0
              It was not about the effective dispersion area of ​​the F-22 with the radar turned off, but about the visibility in the radio range of the F-22 with the radar turned on.

              For clarity, I compared the F-22 with the radar on (generating its own radiation) and the B-52 with the radar off (reflecting external radiation).
              1. opus
                opus 5 December 2016 13: 41
                +1
                Quote: Operator
                It was not about the effective dispersion area of ​​the F-22 with the radar turned off, but about the visibility in the radio range of the F-22 with the radar turned on.


                I still do not understand anything.
                It’s the same as comparing the noise of a scooter with a motor turned on and the noise of a belaz turned off.
                And where is the curtain hidden?
                good
                Quote: Operator
                the radar antenna in the idle position is closed by a radio-absorbing curtain;
                1. Operator
                  Operator 5 December 2016 14: 03
                  0
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                  1. opus
                    opus 5 December 2016 19: 39
                    +1
                    Quote: Operator
                    But hell knows her - for example, pulled back and lays down along the radar hardware

                    AN / APG-77 cannot do this (it’s just not enough space)
                    and no one (that) can


                    Yes, and it will not give anything .. shopping mall "tripe": digital radar computer, drives, power supply, converters, cooling system, etc. - one fig: a piece of the same diameter perfectly reflecting PB


                    Quote: Operator
                    As a promising solution Poghosyan

                    well ... that's why he
                    1. Operator
                      Operator 5 December 2016 20: 17
                      0
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                      All the "entrapment" of the radar is shielded from the front by the antenna, and from the sides - by the non-radio transparent body of the aircraft.
                      1. opus
                        opus 5 December 2016 21: 55
                        +1
                        Quote: Operator
                        from several segments pulled back into the cavity between the antenna sheet and the radar equipment.

                        Each prong will give a wonderful splash on my radar
                        Quote: Operator
                        All the "tripe" of the radar in front is shielded by an antenna, and from the sides -

                        we have the same antenna antenna in parallel to the axis of the aircraft.
                        What does it "screen"?
                        minus the cross section of the disk? Oh well...

                        Quote: Operator
                        and from the sides - non-radio-transparent body of the aircraft.

                        that is, the hull either absorbs (fiction) or dissipates (ahtung !!! - not in the direction of the radar) - x2 fiction
        2. Muvka
          Muvka 2 December 2016 17: 16
          +2
          Sorry they won’t answer you. And do not even admit their wrong. And if you think logically - you're right.
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 2 December 2016 19: 47
            +6
            Why do not answer? I am interested in participating in the discussion. I carefully read the professional answers of opponents. Actually, because of this, I am in VO.
            If there are no direct personal insults, then any even the most radical disagreement with me is completely legitimate. Even if there is insult, I will endure! - my favorite saying: "they carry water to the angry." So thanks to opus, Operator and others.
            I personally think that Lockheed is not lying - there is no point in this. Maybe their criteria are different.
            1. opus
              opus 4 December 2016 14: 05
              +1
              The criteria for heat are absolute.
              So lokhid is lying.
              But if you measure EPR with a plane wave at a range of 200km +, from the ground, when the f-22 is at the level of 15 000 m, and even flies from the radar (moves away) under azimuth in 45g, the radar is turned off and turned up, + thunder / rain . Then yes you can get 0,0001
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 4 December 2016 19: 04
                +1
                Lockheed declares not one of those. characteristic F-22, and good
                a couple of dozen. And they do not argue with any of them, except for the EPR.
                It turns out: everything is true, but one is a blatant lie. What for? The plane is not for sale. What do they earn from this? As far as I came across in business with American specialists, they are truthful, often to the detriment of themselves ("fuckers" in Russian terminology).
                I respect your knowledge, I can not challenge the calculations. But Lockheed
                holds a hefty group of physicists in the state who are also similar
                are able to do calculations. Maybe you do not take into account something? Any
                engineering jokes?
                1. Krabik
                  Krabik 4 December 2016 21: 58
                  0
                  The FU-22 is not supplied abroad and has been a top aircraft for a long time.

                  It makes no sense to Lockheed to divulge the military secrets of this plane!

                  Therefore, the words "blatant lie" can be interpreted as military cunning and deception of the enemy.
                  1. voyaka uh
                    voyaka uh 5 December 2016 01: 03
                    +1
                    Recently, they deceived themselves. On the coast of California installed
                    SAM systems Patriot. We will not argue whether it is the best or not, but its radar is definitely one of the most modern in the world. So from year to year they
                    conducted exercises: an air raid and its reflection. Used F-15. Everything was going well. But last year the F-35 was used for a change ... And oops! - bummer - teachings failed. The Patriots did not see the "aggressor". Confusion.
                    And, note, the E-F-35 is several times larger than that of the F-22. There, maybe Lockheed
                    not lying? Why should they dishonor their air defense? On the photo is a Patriot radar
                    1. Operator
                      Operator 5 December 2016 01: 54
                      0
                      To promote products on the foreign market, what you can think of - like "Jet cow" itself in the mirror does not distinguish laughing
                    2. Krabik
                      Krabik 5 December 2016 04: 00
                      0
                      I did not analyze all the actions of Lockheed and the United States, but only expressed a logical idea, as I would have done in their place.

                      I certainly wouldn’t disclose the weapon characteristics to everyone;)
                2. opus
                  opus 5 December 2016 13: 40
                  +1
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  And they do not argue with any of them, except for the EPR.

                  They argue. Of a couple of dozen argue with 4-7
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  What for? The plane is not for sale. What do they earn from it?

                  1. It’s necessary that taxpayers didn’t give Schaub a hat
                  2. Scare (confuse) opponents / opponents
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  also similar
                  are able to do calculations.

                  There are no calculations from Lockheed. You won't see them (I'm the same)
                  They did not answer me about 0,0001
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  Any
                  engineering jokes?

                  So we must admit that they did:
                  1. A breakthrough in materials science.
                  I will explain:
                  The propagation of RS depends on the relative magnetic permeability and relative permittivity of the medium.
                  So they invented material that in these parameters is equal to air (atmosphere), AND AT ALL THE RANGE OF ALTITUDES, HUMIDITY AND TEMPERATURE
                  (or)
                  2. A breakthrough in electronic (computers) devices and comfortable spaced gratings.
                  Let me explain.
                  Radiation from the radar will fall onto the aircraft (at the CZK angle, CZK modulation / phase, frequency) - the F-22 on-board computer should understand what kind of radiation it is for the arrival of 1 and 2 waves to simulate and emit it (in the prophylactic phase). This is, in order for 4 to receive a portion of the reflected wave on the radar web in antiphase, to extinguish the reflected signal
  12. NKVD
    NKVD 2 December 2016 09: 19
    0
    Well, it’s normal in Syria, there’s a lot of desert. And sand is a good abrasive, sand particles fly high in the atmosphere.
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  14. Valkh
    Valkh 2 December 2016 09: 28
    0
    Quote: insular
    This is normal. Winter molt ... Now it will peel off and become even more noticeable.

    And it will become more hairy !!!!
  15. uhu189
    uhu189 2 December 2016 09: 33
    +5
    I’m reading comments and wondering - it seems that our T-50 flew hundreds, didn’t age, didn’t break, all the weapons were the most advanced, all the newest were introduced everywhere without exception, and the army was almost ready to meet with aliens. And some wretched and backward Americans vainly try to catch up with us. People - why are you? Maybe it’s enough to rave already and look for specks in someone else’s eye? Aged on the raptors coating - be calm, they will apply a new one. There will be a problem - with their financing they will find a solution. We need to deal with our problems, and make sure that aging of the T-50 coating is a problem for our aviation, and not like the development of the second stage engine now.
    1. Skubudu
      Skubudu 2 December 2016 10: 35
      +2
      Quote: uhu189
      I’m reading comments and wondering - it seems that our T-50 flew hundreds, didn’t age, didn’t break, all the weapons were the most advanced, all the newest were introduced everywhere without exception, and the army was almost ready to meet with aliens. And some wretched and backward Americans vainly try to catch up with us. People - why are you? Maybe it’s enough to rave already and look for specks in someone else’s eye? Aged on the raptors coating - be calm, they will apply a new one. There will be a problem - with their financing they will find a solution. We need to deal with our problems, and make sure that aging of the T-50 coating is a problem for our aviation, and not like the development of the second stage engine now.

      For Americans, the coating does not age but regularly deteriorates; news on the peeling F-22 RPP periodically pops up.
      Ours may also face this problem in the near future on the T-50.
      On the F-35 subsonic attack aircraft, there is no such problem so far, most likely due to the fact that the aircraft is flying slowly and does not receive large loads on its surface.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 2 December 2016 12: 05
        +3
        I think this is no longer due to speed with the temperature difference at altitude and on the ground. Microcracks, moisture gets there, etc ...
    2. prorab_ak
      prorab_ak 2 December 2016 17: 10
      +1
      What's incomprehensible here, just on topics with srach with guys from the promised half of the local "warriors-patriots" are rapidly earning stars ... just like yesterday's rocket ... disgrace
      Looks like the foam of some people sprinkles .... enemies, jackals, etc. fellow .... in gives the girl laughing
      So everything is clear here, analysts are zero, and the foam flies in flakes .... it's very convenient, the mantra is to read, "your masters get you a threshing floor, and you are happy", etc. etc.
      But .... who is strong in mind, as a rule, is silent wink
      And in such topics, comments usually fly from the same comrades, and even differ in the same way as potatoes from potatoes .... so draw conclusions wink
      1. Krabik
        Krabik 3 December 2016 04: 48
        0
        What is the news, such are the comments.

        Coatings are confused and change them, and here the theme is sucked out of the finger.
        Why not puff here?
      2. alexej123
        alexej123 3 December 2016 10: 39
        +1
        You are a "very humble" "strong mind". This is what is called Freedom of Speech.
  16. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 2 December 2016 09: 41
    0
    including rain and sand dust. "

    If you store in a dry and cool place, and fly only in fine weather conditions, then everything will be fine.
  17. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 2 December 2016 09: 42
    +2
    Well, how so? American means EXCELLENT wassat but on ours - it does not peel off! I saw the climatic test reports. Only our "fingers" do not fan out, and the paint is in storage, especially secret. There will be a mess - then they will use it. ON ANY aircraft.
  18. sabakina
    sabakina 2 December 2016 10: 07
    +1
    It’s a pity in Syria that there are no microorganisms that ate paint from the fire extinguishers that equipped the planes that we delivered somewhere in Africa. I liked the taste of the paint so that the cylinders gnawed.
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  20. Karaul73
    Karaul73 2 December 2016 10: 21
    0
    Probably, a protective coating should be applied to this paint, which has already been invented and shoved by the US Army for a couple of billion dollars.
  21. Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 2 December 2016 12: 05
    0
    Quote: Skubudu

    On the F-35 subsonic attack aircraft, there is no such problem so far, most likely due to the fact that the aircraft is flying slowly and does not receive large loads on its surface.

    Sound speed and F-35 speed sound?
    1. Skubudu
      Skubudu 2 December 2016 13: 00
      +2
      Quote: Aaron Zawi
      Quote: Skubudu

      On the F-35 subsonic attack aircraft, there is no such problem so far, most likely due to the fact that the aircraft is flying slowly and does not receive large loads on its surface.

      Sound speed and F-35 speed sound?

      What does the speed of sound have to do with 330m / s? I wrote that it flies slowly, the cruising speed is only 850 km / h and the maximum speed on the afterburner is 1700 km / h, compared with a normal fighter the maximum speed of which is 2500 km / h +.
  22. sergeyzzz
    sergeyzzz 2 December 2016 12: 31
    0
    Quote: insular
    And I want to remind you that the resource of trees in the world is also limited, so that printing dollars will not work endlessly.

    You do not seem to know that dollars are not out of paper. They are made like a cotton rag, only in a non-woven manner.
    1. byxarik1
      byxarik1 2 December 2016 15: 35
      0
      took it and ruined everything! such a brilliant plan was negative
  23. Disorder
    Disorder 2 December 2016 13: 31
    +1
    Everything is fine. F-22 is not B-2, and climate control hangars are not being built for it. The radar absorbing coating is characterized by low mechanical resistance, and in Syria the most unfavorable conditions for it are the abrasive action of sand, temperature and humidity changes.
  24. Operator
    Operator 2 December 2016 13: 34
    +5
    The radar absorbing coating is a golimy plastic filled with ferromagnetic powder. At the same time, plastic is not of the highest thermal and abrasive resistance due to the need to spray it onto the surface of the aircraft in liquid form, interspersed with a solvent.

    Plastic peels off after each flight of the aircraft at supersonic (plus the presence of raindrops and sand particles in the air), and it is possible to restore the coating only in stationary conditions using a robotic spraying complex. The F-22 and F-35 are actually subsonic aircraft.

    Those. exploit "Predators" and "Jet Pigs" is possible only at a few air bases equipped with capital hangars and robotic complexes. Otherwise, the wrinkled and peeling coating will significantly reduce the aerodynamic qualities and illumination of "inconspicuous" aircraft.

    Who else raves about 3000 Jet Pigs as replacements for tactical aircraft? laughing
  25. Leonid Har
    Leonid Har 2 December 2016 13: 59
    0
    Urgently place them in airtight containers and do not pull out from there until better times. And when their service life expires (after 20 years), then write off due to obsolescence.
  26. doubovitski
    doubovitski 2 December 2016 14: 19
    +3
    Quote: Aaron Zawi
    ..... Let me remind you that the "Raptors" have been in service for over 10 years and this problem has emerged from him for the first time. It's okay for me. Moreover, the problem is largely attracted by journalists because there is nothing new here.


    As long as these pieces of iron were on their own territory, carefully hidden from the possibility of observing them in a real situation, and not in a computer simulator, it was possible not to talk about this. But when they were shone, they saw, the blame for the fact that "invisibility" turned out to be zilch, they explain it by such a trifle. Which can be eliminated in one night and the work of one punished contractor, a can of paint and a brush.
  27. doubovitski
    doubovitski 2 December 2016 14: 35
    +2
    Quote: uhu189
    I’m reading comments and wondering - it seems that our T-50 flew hundreds, didn’t age, didn’t break, all the weapons were the most advanced, all the newest were introduced everywhere without exception, and the army was almost ready to meet with aliens. And some wretched and backward Americans vainly try to catch up with us. People - why are you? Maybe it’s enough to rave already and look for specks in someone else’s eye? Aged on the raptors coating - be calm, they will apply a new one. There will be a problem - with their financing they will find a solution. We need to deal with our problems, and make sure that aging of the T-50 coating is a problem for our aviation, and not like the development of the second stage engine now.



    Calm down. The message that the paint had peeled off is not proof that he was invisible. From whom are you looking for the truth? The snake has no legs, you will not find anything similar to the truth in the p and o s about. Quite simply, while these pieces of iron were hiding from our locators, so as not to get the characteristics of "invisibility", the paint stood. As soon as they began to drive them under the rays of our locators, there was such a misfortune.
    Is it too idiotic excuse? It is necessary to cover your own ass and justify the cost of spending?
  28. Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 2 December 2016 14: 44
    +1
    Quote: Diana Ilyina
    Well, first of all, I don't know how it is with you on the Privoz, I was not there. Secondly, I react the way you deserve! Thirdly, not to react, it means letting you lie shamelessly, throwing mud at my country, so you won't wait, you will be actively receiving change!
    "Everyone hears how he breathes ...". In general, until you showed up with your rituals, no one remembered Russia.
    Navel just do not tear! Good luck young man ...
    Thank you for the "vyunoshu". When I was 47, I haven't received such compliments for a long time.
  29. tractor driver
    tractor driver 2 December 2016 14: 48
    +1
    And where are the traditional sanctions on Russia? Any Psaka understands that it’s the Russians who steal in order to stick to the T50. It's a shame, even ... wassat
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  31. cosmos132
    cosmos132 2 December 2016 20: 10
    +2
    How they shot them down and they will shoot them down
  32. ronnon
    ronnon 2 December 2016 21: 17
    0
    And why argue whose planes are better ...
    The war will judge.
  33. Kaiten
    Kaiten 2 December 2016 22: 58
    0
    Quote: insular

    And I want to remind you that the resource of trees in the world is also limited, so that printing dollars will not work endlessly.

    dollars are printed on COTTON paper.
  34. Temer
    Temer 3 December 2016 05: 43
    +1
    Weather conditions are to blame ???? laughing Or maybe it was necessary to quit with expensive "toys" after the F-117 shot down by the Yugoslavs?
  35. tezey
    tezey 3 December 2016 15: 45
    0
    The question is essentially. For the solution of what combat tasks in Syria are involved F-22. Where they are based and where they fly. On the other hand, let them fly. For our air defense, the experience of detecting and tracking aircraft with stealth technology in a real environment is simply invaluable.
    1. Krabik
      Krabik 4 December 2016 22: 04
      0
      FU-22 was created as a plane to gain superiority in the air.
      For the same purpose, ours make the T-50.

      But after 20 years, the FU-22 was replaced with a more efficient FU-35 platform and now the characteristics of the FU-22 are no secret, so they began to fly next to our radars.


      Therefore, for our anti-aircraft defense, of course, the analysis of the outdated aircraft is important, but not particularly.
      And the FU-22 poses a threat to our aircraft there and covers their bombers and AWAK systems, for which they were made.
  36. Tai
    Tai 3 December 2016 20: 04
    +1
    I understand that they are invisible only when they are in hangars?))
  37. TARSUS
    TARSUS 3 December 2016 21: 49
    0
    NEXUS,
    What nonsense are you talking about. Do you even know whose money the RD-180 was made from?
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 4 December 2016 23: 24
      +2
      Quote: TARS
      NEXUS,
      What nonsense are you talking about. Do you even know whose money the RD-180 was made from?

      And on whose, wise guy?
  38. SEER
    SEER 4 December 2016 13: 42
    0
    Quote: TARS
    NEXUS,
    What nonsense are you talking about. Do you even know whose money the RD-180 was made from?

    Oh really??! :-)
  39. Operator
    Operator 5 December 2016 23: 59
    0
    opus,
    The curtain segments can overlap like the diaphragm of the camera lens.

    The F-22 and F-35 have a fixed radar antenna sheet.

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