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Media: India has signed an agreement to purchase American howitzers M-777

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India signed an agreement yesterday for the purchase in the US of 145-ti light towed howitzers M-777 caliber 155 mm, reports Look With reference to the newspaper Times of India.




The transaction amount is estimated at $ 735 million.

The publication noted that the contract "will strengthen the position of Washington as one of the leading suppliers of weapons for the Indian army."

According to the newspaper, “from 145 howitzers, the delivery of which will begin in the middle of 2017, 120 will be assembled, assembled and tested in India in a joint venture created by BAE Systems and its local partner Mahindra.”

Last year it was reported that the United States offered India to assemble M-777 howitzers on its territory, promising a discount of $ 150 million.

Help newspaper: “The M-777 cannon was developed by the British multinational company BAE Systems. This is one of the lightest guns in its class, which makes it possible to transport a howitzer by helicopter on an external sling. The calculation is five people, the gun allows firing at distances up to 25 km, and special active-projectile guided missiles - up to 40 km. ”
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  1. hirurg
    hirurg 1 December 2016 16: 50
    +7
    Something I Indians do not understand.
    Not like technology gathering, it's like flipping the states.
    So as not to get into a showdown with Pakistan.
    1. iConst
      iConst 1 December 2016 16: 58
      +5
      Quote: hirurg
      Something I Indians do not understand.

      - Why understand there - cunning Hindus ...
      1. cap
        cap 1 December 2016 17: 57
        0
        Quote: iConst
        Quote: hirurg
        Something I Indians do not understand.

        - Why understand there - cunning Hindus ...


        It seems that they decided to gather a string of weapons from the world, and to get hold of military-technical experience. It seems that they are seriously preparing to recapture the disputed territories from Pakistan.
      2. Stas Snezhin
        Stas Snezhin 1 December 2016 20: 25
        +5
        I remembered ..
      3. Akuzenka
        Akuzenka 2 December 2016 23: 13
        0
        And what is incomprehensible here, they are, first of all, for their country. And that’s it !!!! They are not for us. Remember this!
    2. vovanpain
      vovanpain 1 December 2016 16: 59
      +16
      "Will strengthen Washington's position as one of the leading arms suppliers to the Indian army."

      To strengthen or not to strengthen, this is a grandmother in two said, for which the Hindus can be respected, so that they never lay their eggs in one basket, and in general they now have in the first place a program made in India. winked
    3. Giant thought
      Giant thought 1 December 2016 17: 00
      +13
      Hindus supporters of politics do not put all their eggs in one basket, and therefore we see such contracts.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 1 December 2016 17: 14
        +1
        Quote: Thought Giant
        Hindu politicians don't put all their eggs in one basket

        That's why they headed for the abandonment of our artillery?
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 1 December 2016 17: 16
          +8
          Quote: Spade
          That's why they headed for the abandonment of our artillery?

          And we have nothing serial in this class. sad
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 1 December 2016 17: 27
            +16
            We have nothing at all that satisfies India's needs. No highly automated towed guns, no "vehicle self-propelled guns", no normal options for modernizing Soviet guns. Therefore, Israelis, Swedes, Americans graze there.

            We tried to offer the 155-mm Msta-S, but lost to the South Koreans.
            1. Pirogov
              Pirogov 1 December 2016 17: 41
              +6
              Quote: Spade

              We have nothing at all that satisfies India's needs. No highly automated towed guns, no "vehicle self-propelled guns", no normal options for modernizing Soviet guns. Therefore, Israelis, Swedes, Americans graze there.

              We tried to offer the 155-mm Msta-S, but lost to the South Koreans.

              And this despite the fact that Russian artillery has always been the envy of other countries, airplanes are certainly good and tanks, although there are no new declarations, but they’ll practically hammer on artillery, how to explain it or wait when the bottom comes from the Navy .... .......
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 1 December 2016 17: 44
                +7
                Quote: Pirogov
                or wait when there will be a bottom as with the Navy

                Already the bottom.
                For example, even Afghanistan was ahead of us in terms of automation of towed guns.
                1. Pirogov
                  Pirogov 1 December 2016 18: 00
                  +5
                  Quote: Spade

                  Already the bottom.
                  For example, even Afghanistan was ahead of us in terms of automation of towed guns.

                  I fully agree with you that the worst thing is that for some reason the leadership is silent about the problem of artillery, apparently they decided to save on ART. We still manage a lot of old shells like we are, they were going to fight with some missiles, so it's stupid and expensive.
                  1. Suhow
                    Suhow 2 December 2016 22: 18
                    0
                    about stupid to fight rockets, I do not agree, but about expensive it is.
                2. dvina71
                  dvina71 1 December 2016 18: 50
                  +10
                  Quote: Spade
                  For example, even Afghanistan was ahead of us in terms of automation of towed guns.

                  Forget about towed artillery. They began to think about this already in the Red Army, and in part the self-propelled guns went. Because the deployment / coagulation time is minimal, which is vitally important in the context of a battery fight.
                  The United States is at war with the armies much less technologically advanced than theirs. They can afford the divisions of towed barreled artillery, which is located in the radius of destruction of the Castle. But we are not. D-30 And MSTA-B will last their age, they are not much worse than the British product. And that's all I think. There are no alternatives to self-propelled guns for us.



                  Count the service)))
                  And take a look at the revenge.
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 1 December 2016 18: 53
                    +2
                    This, of course, is all good ... But I'm not sure that in principle it is possible to create self-propelled guns that can be deployed by Mi-8 helicopter
                    1. dvina71
                      dvina71 1 December 2016 19: 18
                      +8
                      Quote: Spade
                      oh I'm not sure that in principle it is possible to create self-propelled guns that can be deployed by Mi-8 helicopter

                      There is one question ... why?
                      It is necessary to transfer at least the battery, so that at least some effect is obtained .. One gun - nothing.
                      Total .. four helicopters without BC .. because they drag fluff, four more without BC .. because the service staff and BC drag to these fluffs ..
                      Slowly slowly .. a dream, not a goal.
                      1. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 1 December 2016 19: 46
                        +6
                        Not a battery, division. Which will support the battalion. Airborne assault units, and so in fire weapons are totally limited, to deprive them also of artillery - it does not climb into any gates.
                  2. Vadim237
                    Vadim237 1 December 2016 20: 35
                    0
                    It’s time for Russia to move to the world standard, caliber 155 millimeters. Otherwise, howitzers with us will soon cease to buy at all.
                  3. Vladimir Postnikov
                    Vladimir Postnikov 2 December 2016 03: 20
                    +2
                    Quote: dvina71
                    Quote: Spade
                    For example, even Afghanistan was ahead of us in terms of automation of towed guns.

                    Forget about towed artillery. There are no alternatives to self-propelled guns for us.
                    Count the service)))

                    Interestingly, what kind of war are you preparing for? Self-propelled guns, of course, better than a towed gun, but also much more expensive. But this is not the most important thing. The main thing - with whom are you going to fight with self-propelled guns?
                    They put this cross on towed guns when I was still a student, and now I am already a pensioner. In February of 2013, S. Shoigu ordered to withdraw from service and transfer to the storage base by the end of 2013 of the year the D-30 howitzers located in the Ground Forces. And today, no matter how you look at the news from Ukraine and from Syria, it’s everywhere there, darling.
                    And now I will ask a question, which, apparently, you hardly thought about: What is a projectile? It’s good now to supply everyone with free Soviet guns and shells, but they also need to be replenished. At the pace that Syrian friends are shooting, Soviet shells will soon end. Lopatov was not talking about automation in vain here, since this issue is directly related to the consumption of shells. And he had in mind not so much the automation of the loading process as the guidance process.
                    And problems in the shell industry you will find on the Internet, if you want. And the main problem is money. New shells cost new money. Everything was interwoven in one tangle, and joint-stock companies, and help to comrades, and obsolete tools.
                    Regarding your categoricalness regarding the advantages of the ACS, an anecdote immediately comes to mind: "Oh, he is. Yes, but who will give him?"
        2. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 1 December 2016 18: 31
          0
          Quote: Spade

          That's why they headed for the abandonment of our artillery?

          They also want to buy a new shell from us. wink
          http://www.imi-israel.com/home/doc.aspx?mCatID=68
          633

          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 1 December 2016 18: 37
            +2
            Of course they want 8)))) if it will be cheaper than the usual OF. You are too smart with this shell, much too smart.

            http://forum.topwar.ru/topic/8520-новый-израильск
            i-155-mm-shell /
      2. Sealek
        Sealek 1 December 2016 18: 19
        +6


        "over automation" - French & US Artillery In Action Conducts Heavy Support Fire: CAESAR, M777, M109 Paladin, M142 HIMARS
        ("client" since 1.00)

        "and these teach us to pick our nose with a finger ..." wassat
        1. Vladimir Postnikov
          Vladimir Postnikov 2 December 2016 02: 45
          0
          Quote: SeAlek
          "and these teach us to pick our nose with a finger ..." wassat

          Interesting film. I see that you didn’t like the Americans. Well, and what claims to the French?
    4. Nross
      Nross 1 December 2016 17: 15
      +3
      And what is not clear: they howitzers on the northern mountains, to narrow-eyed should be brought closer.
      This question has been hanging with them for a long time and the purchase of 145 pieces will solve little. Unless the kitayoz can confuse.
      And you can bring them to packs quickly, although packs are secondary ....
    5. OLD FART
      OLD FART 1 December 2016 17: 44
      +3
      Quote: hirurg
      Something I Indians do not understand.

      Yes, they are like children buying up "toys-weapons" from different countries and no systematization ... How they gathered to defend their Motherland with all this "set of Lego", it is not clear .. They steam all the garbage specifically! Russia has more than once offered cheap and cheerful service, full training ..! India gouges still those ... (by way of life, etc.), but the programmers are good there ...!
      1. cap
        cap 1 December 2016 17: 58
        +2
        Quote: STARPER
        India gouging even those ... (by lifestyle, etc.), but the programmers there are good ...!


        Have you forgotten about tea? laughing
        1. OLD FART
          OLD FART 1 December 2016 18: 05
          +1
          Quote: cap
          Have you forgotten about tea?

          Tea is not the same for a long time ... Something they clearly water it (as we do in principle) .. While Kazakhstan is valued, they have this holy thing and they rarely slip bullshit! hi
          1. cap
            cap 1 December 2016 18: 23
            0
            Quote: STARPER
            Quote: cap
            Have you forgotten about tea?

            Tea is not the same for a long time ... Something they clearly water it (as we do in principle) .. While Kazakhstan is valued, they have this holy thing and they rarely slip bullshit! hi


            I'm going to brew the Indian Blue Diamond, the main one I use.
            By the way, how do you like the changed profile on the site?
            I'll tell you right away, the innovation is not impressive. It is inconvenient to look at the comments from the "bell". It seems to me that they changed it because of personal data, although this did not bother me personally.
            1. OLD FART
              OLD FART 1 December 2016 18: 38
              +2
              Quote: cap
              By the way, how do you like the changed profile on the site?

              I am a conservative by nature ... I’ll briefly say .. Horror (I thought I got a black mark, wrote a little yesterday on Israeli topics ..))))! And I know the reason why they do it .. But I have no right to be indignant, I try to adapt, for me the main thing is different and I adhere to this!
              But he didn’t drink such tea ...
              The Indian "blue diamond" is the main one I use.

              Elite probably some kind of ???? I really miss good tea, I tried everything that is available .. Fu, garbage from the floor to be honest ..!
              1. cap
                cap 1 December 2016 19: 16
                +1
                Quote: STARPER

                0
                STARPER Today, 18:38 ↑
                Quote: cap
                By the way, how do you like the changed profile on the site?

                I am a conservative by nature ... I’ll briefly say .. Horror (I thought I got a black mark, wrote a little yesterday on Israeli topics ..))))! And I know the reason why they do it .. But I have no right to be indignant, I try to adapt, for me the main thing is different and I adhere to this!
                But he didn’t drink such tea ...
                The Indian "blue diamond" is the main one I use.

                Elite probably some kind of ???? I really miss good tea, I tried everything that is available .. Fu, garbage from the floor to be honest ..!


                I live in the Far East, far from India, but such tea and also "Indus" leaf are always on sale. The price is 102 rubles 200 g. I'm sure it's not expensive. Considering the distance and the fact that the packaging is with an Indian logo.
                I am also a retrograde and the thoughts were the same considering the identity of my nickname laughing We survive. I can’t invite you to tea, but I read you with interest. hi
                1. sabakina
                  sabakina 1 December 2016 19: 32
                  +2
                  There is an offer, you give me a package of tea, I give you black salt. Is going?
                  1. OLD FART
                    OLD FART 1 December 2016 19: 38
                    +1
                    Quote: sabakina
                    There is an offer, you give me a package of tea, I give you black salt. Is going?

                    So I'm the first in line ...! wink
                    I will make out a car of salt ... crying
                    1. sabakina
                      sabakina 1 December 2016 19: 41
                      +2
                      Well, if "KEP" Anatoly sends tea, no problem.
                      1. cap
                        cap 1 December 2016 20: 08
                        +2
                        Quote: sabakina
                        Well, if "KEP" Anatoly sends tea, no problem.

                        Quote: STARPER
                        So I'm the first in line ...


                        I’m not an entrepreneur. I don’t sell wagons. laughing
                        Throw in a personal email address both, I guarantee a pack laughing
                        The season of salt is over, ketone Putin has passed, we are waiting for a year, then we will return to this issue.
              2. Vz.58
                Vz.58 1 December 2016 19: 58
                +3
                On business I am in Moscow and in proximity. In rubles, but not to the elite, and to the Klin region. Everywhere in the shops I saw good teas, not in bags, but in boxes of loose tea. Both Darjeeling and ahmad tea and the price is amazing for me, good black long leaf teas. And at my place, a good black loose tea costs 60 grams - 200 Russian rubles. And 95 gasoline costs about 90 rubles per liter. So we turn, so as not to rust
                1. OLD FART
                  OLD FART 1 December 2016 20: 13
                  +1
                  Quote: Vz.58
                  Both Darjeeling and ahmad tea and the price is amazing for me, good black long leaf teas. And at my place, a good black loose tea costs 60 grams - 200 Russian rubles.

                  It comes to us to see what is sweeping from the warehouses ... angry
                  1. Vz.58
                    Vz.58 1 December 2016 21: 10
                    +1
                    Buy in bulk. Here Georgian has changed for the worse. And I don’t buy it from us. Ceylon is also not that. But this is due to the fact that I'm probably getting old or getting older and the tongue is not the same (not sexy, damn it)
                  2. Des10
                    Des10 1 December 2016 21: 43
                    +1
                    still normal tea - there are different manufacturers everywhere (in cities) on sale. Like a bad one. The only question is choice, the price of good tea from 200r is available, well, and higher.
                    Why is it like this for you?
        2. aleksandrs95
          aleksandrs95 1 December 2016 23: 36
          +1
          tea lover himself, the most intelligent Chinese who has almost no equal. buy on ebay.
          1. kuznec
            kuznec 2 December 2016 07: 06
            +2
            I bring good tea from India. But buying is best in stores. There are a lot of bullshit on the market. Darjeeling 800 rubles 500 grams, assam 700 rubles, delicious green - 900. Puer did not even look - expensive.
    6. avdkrd
      avdkrd 1 December 2016 19: 25
      +1
      Quote: hirurg
      Doesn’t look like technology gathering, it seems like waving the states

      Why is everything black or white? If you bought from us, then well done, and if the best in its class in the states, then you waved ... What Russian counterparts could Indians buy? Msta B with similar ballistics is almost three tons heavier, despite the fact that these three tons make up 40% of the weight. I don’t know how the price-quality criterion is, but technically (not sadly) the M-777 is cooler.
    7. Zulu_S
      Zulu_S 1 December 2016 19: 29
      0
      It's just that the Indians, just in case, do not focus on one arms supplier. In addition, first assembly on its territory, then licensed production (in the future), then development of Saoi. A very smart, balanced policy. It's not like our auto industry. First, everything was destroyed (to the ground), now - screwdriver assembly of foreign cars. By the way, our tanks have "legs growing" from there. The T-34 did not appear out of nowhere. His predecessors are of foreign blood. For example, BT and earlier. Well done, they are going the right way.
    8. Vz.58
      Vz.58 1 December 2016 19: 35
      +2
      For the second day, Russian sites have been hanging. "Rossiyskaya Gazeta" does not hang up. Topwar.ru is almost constantly stuck. Lenta.ru freezes. Europe and America do not freeze
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 1 December 2016 19: 48
        +1
        They began to fight against "Russian propaganda".
        1. Vz.58
          Vz.58 1 December 2016 20: 30
          +1
          If we were fighting against Russian propaganda, then the "Rossiyskaya Gazeta" Rg.ru, this is the organ of the President and the Government of Russia, would freeze. And she doesn't freeze
  2. minus
    minus 1 December 2016 16: 53
    +9
    Here I like the Indians .... Well done !!!
    According to the newspaper, “of the 145 howitzers, the delivery of which will begin in mid-2017, 120 will be mounted, assembled and tested in India in a joint venture,
    In all cases, I try to place production on my territory good When will we start taking an example from them?
    1. iConst
      iConst 1 December 2016 17: 01
      +6
      Quote: Minus
      In all cases, I try to place production on my territory. When do we start with them?

      -Yes, as-be and not really nada ... And so almost all of his ...
      1. minus
        minus 1 December 2016 17: 38
        +5
        Instrument-making, technological equipment, electronic products? Is this with us ??? No !!!! Do you know for example what equipment most sausage manufacturers buy? Reconditioned used equipment from German and Austrian manufacturers! And from the new Czech, Polish and Belarusian. Because there is no production of equipment!
        1. dvina71
          dvina71 1 December 2016 19: 09
          0
          Quote: Minus
          Do you know for example what equipment most sausage manufacturers buy?

          Sausage unitary loading or separate?
          And the second ... in Yandex banned? ON .. help ..
          http://www.meatvestnik.ru/2013/04/blog-post_10.ht
          ml # .WEBKPH1OyUk
      2. Zulu_S
        Zulu_S 1 December 2016 19: 39
        0
        Quote: iConst
        Yes, somehow, and not really nada ... And so almost all of my ...

        Well yes. Lada - their own foreign cars, even our BMWs have already come from Kaliningrad. The plans - Mercedes from the suburbs.
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  3. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 1 December 2016 16: 56
    +3
    UVZ and shop 9 are in the span. sorry. weak "marketing." and "guns" are cool .. "rheinmetal"
    ; have a rest ...
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 1 December 2016 17: 30
      +1
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      UVZ and shop 9 are in the span. sorry. weak "marketing."

      "Plant No. 9"?
      Duc ... PAT-B still lags behind the American in terms of performance characteristics. sad
  4. hotrod
    hotrod 1 December 2016 16: 58
    +2
    $ 5 million eio beyond economic efficiency. Or am I not understanding something? How much does our D-30 cost in production?
    1. Phantom Revolution
      Phantom Revolution 1 December 2016 17: 02
      +3
      Features please compare .......
    2. Sagittarius
      Sagittarius 1 December 2016 17: 08
      +2
      Apparently, the Indians decided for some reason to like the Americans.
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 1 December 2016 17: 24
        0
        Quote: Sagittarius
        Apparently, the Indians decided for some reason to like the Americans.

        here is a delicate matter ... "east" you understand ... the Indians understand that our guns are good, but too many rejections of American weapons are not "comme il faut" - a lot is tied, normal situation. cunning .... and smart.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 1 December 2016 17: 31
          0
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          Indians understand that our guns are good

          Are these the ones that the Israelis are modernizing for them?
      2. Lopatov
        Lopatov 1 December 2016 17: 31
        0
        Quote: Sagittarius
        Apparently, the Indians decided for some reason to like the Americans.

        Because China
      3. creak
        creak 1 December 2016 17: 31
        +3
        Quote: Sagittarius
        Apparently, the Indians decided for some reason to like the Americans.

        Apparently, even the Indians are able to count money and evaluate equipment by the ratio of price and quality.
        Therefore, in India, for example, the licensed production of MIG fighters, T-72 tanks has been established for a long time, and the issue of licensed production of the T-90 is being studied?
        Or Indians should be liked exclusively by us - so Russia does not have a monopoly on the supply of weapons to India ..
        India is not Tajikistan to take what they give, unlike many of our "friends", it pays for its purchases and has the right to decide for itself what to buy for its money ...
    3. McLuha-MacLeod
      McLuha-MacLeod 1 December 2016 17: 22
      +2
      They have half made of titanium there.
    4. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 1 December 2016 17: 30
      +2
      Quote: hotrod
      How much does our D-30 cost in production?

      D-30 has a caliber of 155 mm and shoots at 25 km?
      1. dvina71
        dvina71 1 December 2016 19: 11
        +1
        Quote: Alexey RA
        D-30 has a caliber of 155 mm and shoots at 25 km?

        MSTA-B has a caliber of 155 and shoots at 25 km ..
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 1 December 2016 19: 29
          +1
          Quote: dvina71
          MSTA-B has a caliber of 155 and shoots at 25 km ..

          Can MSTA-B be transported by helicopter from a payload of up to 5 tons? wink
          The fact of the matter is that "three axes" combine the range and caliber of the Msta with the mass of the D-30.
          1. dvina71
            dvina71 1 December 2016 19: 48
            +2
            Quote: Alexey RA
            The fact of the matter is that "three axes" combine the range and caliber of the Msta with the mass of the D-30.

            AND? It’s still a target for Grad. No matter how it was delivered.
            If MSTU is puzzled, it can also be facilitated. Remove the shield, replace some parts with alloy ones. You can neglect a ton and a half. What for?
            Helicopters carry batteries, BC and service staff? Seriously?
            1. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 2 December 2016 10: 30
              0
              Quote: dvina71
              Helicopters carry batteries, BC and service staff? Seriously?

              Absolutely. The Indians have a very large part of the border with neighboring unfriendly powers located in the mountains, where the helicopter is often the only vehicle. And artillery firefights in the mountains are a reality for them.
              Quote: dvina71
              AND? It’s still a target for Grad. No matter how it was delivered.

              But for this, the "hail" must also be delivered. And BC for him. smile
  5. viktor.
    viktor. 1 December 2016 17: 09
    +1
    Hindu business and nothing personal request
  6. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 1 December 2016 17: 12
    +9
    "Three sevens" M777 turned out to be one of the coolest tactical innovations of the beginning
    this century. In Afghanistan, they made a bunch of two helicopters: one drove under the belly
    howitzer and people, other shells. Basement at night in the depths of the gangster region,
    20 miles short of landing. And shied 155 mm shells. Turned the camp into funnels
    and flew away.
    1. iConst
      iConst 1 December 2016 17: 27
      0
      Quote: voyaka uh
      "Three sevens"

      Three "axes". "People's" port bag was. To try the one "sovetsky". Didn't find ...
      1. Dekabrist
        Dekabrist 1 December 2016 18: 27
        +3
        Soviet port is an everyday mass drink that has no clear characteristics. One thing can be said for sure: if some kind of family ties can be found between Soviet and French champagne, then Soviet port in its overwhelming majority had nothing to do with Portuguese port. "Massandra" is an exception. And they called it about the same as the products of the military-industrial complex - "Product No. ...". The same is for ports: 13, 15, 26, 33, 72, 777.

        The homeland of 777 Port was Azerbaijan. They made it from the cheapest wine materials with the addition of alcohol. The most conscientious producers poured some oak shavings into this mixture. After which the mixture was heated, mixed, filtered and bottled in 0,7 liter bottles. Soon, this technology was extended to the entire great Soviet Union. You can make a lot of complaints about a popular drink. However, it was manufactured in compliance with sanitary standards and was not able to cause significant harm to health with moderate consumption.

        You can not say about the current surrogates, called port. Their cost is minimized due to the complete elimination of the fermentation phase - ordinary juice is diluted with alcohol.
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          1. Dekabrist
            Dekabrist 2 December 2016 10: 42
            +1
            That's when you try a decent port, then we'll talk.
            1. nikcris
              nikcris 2 December 2016 19: 24
              0
              Give me the bag that I have to try. Fart at Svidomo exploded, it seems.
              Of fortified wines, I recognize sherry and occasionally Madeira.
              You, apparently, are a young botanist and do not remember the "Revolution of red carnations", after which a real port appeared in the USSR - we so supported the "revolutionary"
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 1 December 2016 17: 36
      +1
      Dear, non-ergonomic, short-barrel ... Innovation is evident.

      The Indians make their main towed weapon the Swedish self-propelled FH77 and their own "scooter" based on its motives "Danush". After working out the rearmament program, there will be 600 of them.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 1 December 2016 17: 48
        +3
        Funny M777 in its airmobility and sophistication
        helicopter applications.
        1. cap
          cap 1 December 2016 18: 04
          0
          Quote: voyaka uh
          Funny M777 in its airmobility and sophistication
          helicopter applications.


          From the example you cited, Indians are likely to take such tactics.
          There are enough mountains in Pakistan. Here they should not be blamed, and reproach of tricks, too (on a branch).
          They fight them and know better. hi
        2. Lopatov
          Lopatov 1 December 2016 18: 20
          +1
          Airmobility? 105mm howitzers are better. Moreover, India has 2400 of them.
          1. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 1 December 2016 18: 49
            +1
            Quote: Spade
            Airmobility? 105mm howitzers are better.

            The 105 mm weaker projectile power. Here the Indians took the ultimate caliber for air mobility.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 1 December 2016 18: 57
              +2
              Not much.
              But the projectile is easier, and they can be thrown by helicopters more.

              The Indians just caved in. They're on the lookout for "being friends against China"
              1. Alexey RA
                Alexey RA 1 December 2016 19: 40
                +1
                Quote: Spade
                Not much.

                In a 105-mm howitzer M119A1, the projectile weighs 19 kg and has 2,1 kg of explosives - versus 42 kg of shell / 5,7 kg of explosives in the M777.
                But in the caliber of 155 mm there is also the OFS M795 weighing 47 kg with 10,8 kg of explosives.

                And the firing range of 105 mm is half that of the "three axes".
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 1 December 2016 20: 18
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                  Quote: Alexey RA
                  105 mm is half the size of the "three axes".

                  Half as much? 24 km against 17.
                  Well, about the weight of the "Chumadans" - the Nexter 105-mm howitzer, on which the Indians lick their lips, has a combat rate of fire of 12 rounds per minute against 5 rounds per minute for the M777. That is, the first one will throw only 2 kg less explosives in a minute.
                  1. Alexey RA
                    Alexey RA 2 December 2016 10: 45
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                    Quote: Spade
                    Half as much? 24 km against 17.

                    Hehehehe ... so the French usually delicately lower the type of shells for which a range of 17-19 km is achieved. Maximum - write the abbreviation: M913 and HE-ER G2.
                    Guessed? That's right - for GIAT / Nexter LG1, the firing range is usually given as the maximum active rockets. And without them, it works for 11 km with the standard OFS. What is written in the Nexter catalog.
                    "Three axes" with active rockets works for 30 km.
  7. Sergej1972
    Sergej1972 1 December 2016 17: 12
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    In the years of friendship with the USSR, the Indians bought weapons not only from us, but also from Western countries.
  8. milling machine
    milling machine 1 December 2016 17: 17
    +10
    Now I will run into couch patriots, but the howitzer is really good and probably the best in its class.
    The Hindus chose from what they offered, and to say that they are stupid because they did not choose our analogue only says that ours did not satisfy them in terms of performance characteristics. And "hurray-patriotism" ala "our everything is better and the others have shit" - at least stupid.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 1 December 2016 17: 31
      +1
      Quote: frezer
      Now I will run into couch patriots, but the howitzer is really good and probably the best in its class.

      not a bad gun ... it's not "voentorg" that is to blame, but "marketing" ... * (it seems like you can't swear on the site ...) Americans are podongy, but advertising works ...
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 1 December 2016 17: 39
      +3
      Quote: frezer
      Now I will run into couch patriots, but the howitzer is really good and probably the best in its class.

      And what is she good at?
      Let's compare with the main Indian 155-mm gun FN77 / "Danush"
      The "best in class" is much more expensive, has a shorter firing range, is not ergonomic, and is not extremely resistant to counter-battery combat.
      1. alexej123
        alexej123 1 December 2016 17: 45
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        Do we have this class, including weight? And my caliber is not ours? Or not? Question to the specialists we use 155 mm?
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 1 December 2016 17: 51
          +4
          We have nothing even similar. Although there is a need for such tools.
        2. Samaritan
          Samaritan 1 December 2016 17: 53
          +1
          You can read here:
          Russian Field Artillery: https://topwar.ru/100615-polevaya-stvolnaya-artil
          leriya-rossii.html
          About M 777
          https://topwar.ru/71502-polevaya-gaubica-m777-odn
          a-iz-luchshih-v-svoem-klasse.html
          155 mm news:
          https://topwar.ru/92917-novosti-v-sfere-155-mm-ar
          tilleriyskih-system.html
      2. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 1 December 2016 18: 54
        +1
        Quote: Spade
        And what is she good at?
        Let's compare with the main Indian 155-mm gun FN77 / "Danush"

        These are different classes of guns.
        The Three Axes is a light airborne weapon. 4,2 tons of live weight.
        And "two axes" is a 12-ton division. Only a Chinook, SSTellion or Mi-26 will lift it.

        It's like comparing the Nonu-K with the D-30. smile
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 1 December 2016 19: 09
          +1
          "Division"? eight)))))
          The M777 is a weapon in service with all US brigade artillery, except for the "heavy" brigades, where the old M109 is still being kept. Well, and 105-mm howitzers, which are actively withdrawn "to the reserve", replacing everywhere again with the M777
          Is that why the Stryker Brigade needs an airborne gun?

          Therefore, the M777 and FM77 guns of the same class.
      3. aleksandrs95
        aleksandrs95 1 December 2016 23: 48
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        777 is a dream of counter battery fighting, and the price is almost like MSTA S.
  9. milling machine
    milling machine 1 December 2016 17: 47
    +8
    [] not a bad gun ... it's not "voentorg" that is to blame, but "marketing" .. [/ quote]
    Well, as I wrote above: "ours is all better, while others have shit."
    Well, why can't you accept the fact that Russia is not ahead of the rest in terms of technology and weapons in particular? Yes, we do not have weapons samples, or even better than Western ones, but not everywhere.
    IMHO. As a citizen of my country, I believe that a true patriot of his country should objectively see the shortcomings of his country and strive to correct them, and not yell, "that everyone is stupid and we are the most intelligent and correct."
  10. milling machine
    milling machine 1 December 2016 17: 55
    +1
    Quote: Spade
    Quote: frezer
    Now I will run into couch patriots, but the howitzer is really good and probably the best in its class.

    And what is she good at?
    Let's compare with the main Indian 155-mm gun FN77 / "Danush"
    The "best in class" is much more expensive, has a shorter firing range, is not ergonomic, and is not extremely resistant to counter-battery combat.

    Quote: Spade
    Quote: frezer
    Now I will run into couch patriots, but the howitzer is really good and probably the best in its class.

    And what is she good at?
    Let's compare with the main Indian 155-mm gun FN77 / "Danush"
    The "best in class" is much more expensive, has a shorter firing range, is not ergonomic, and is not extremely resistant to counter-battery combat.

    FN77 / O_o. And why didn’t you immediately compare the 777 with a ballistic missile? Range higher charge more.
    I say - the Indians are "stupid". But the couch "hurray-patriots" have already explained everything to them.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 1 December 2016 18: 14
      +2
      Quote: frezer
      FN77 / O_o. And why didn’t you immediately compare the 777 with a ballistic missile?

      Hello, we’ve arrived.
      You yourself indicated "in your class". I cited as an example not a ballistic missile, but the most that neither is a weapon of the same class with the M777
      Why are you so suddenly unhappy?
      She can be the best "in her class" only if she is the only one in this "class".
      And the Indians are not at all "stupid", because they bought exactly the FN77 in the amount of 200 pieces. And another 400 guns are assembled by themselves using technologies received from the Swedes.
  11. Sasha75
    Sasha75 1 December 2016 17: 55
    +5
    Probably those who shot from it probably praised for more than one year and they knew everything about her, or they read the articles and all of them were so good, because it’s also written on the fence but they don’t use it))). But in fact it overheats like it’s unknowingly that the chamber is being banned, like old cannons firing nuclei are afraid of premature ignition of gunpowder, it is inconvenient to charge a projectile; This is what I saw after 3 shots from it, I’m not a deep specialist, maybe it is so necessary that it is inconvenient so that the rate of fire is less, they are banned, so they don’t have much time to do it, and they don’t know how to use a log shell, it’s hands training selfie sticks . It’s on the surface, and what’s deeper, who knows good luck in using))).
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 1 December 2016 18: 23
      +3
      Quote: Sasha75
      it is inconvenient to charge the projectile; it is necessary to send it literally above your head

      Et yes. Their crooked dosher is just an example of ergonomics. wassat
  12. Franciscan
    Franciscan 1 December 2016 17: 56
    +1
    Quote: Alexey RA
    Quote: Spade
    That's why they headed for the abandonment of our artillery?

    And we have nothing serial in this class. sad

    except for old Soviet stocks.
  13. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 1 December 2016 21: 16
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    Well then. They live with them.
    hirurg Today, 16:50 New
    Something I Indians do not understand.

    "Read VO and you will be smart yourself" So my classmate said half a century ago or less, or almost so ...
    The axis of China - Pakistan is looming. Try to draw an alternative once ... India - USA. Five, here are the pies. And only Russia, somewhere very high, we simply don’t see, it has not just contacts like the USA, but trusting relationship. Please remind me of the joint exercises of the SSHA and China, India and China, India and Pakistan, it’s ridiculous. And the arms trade .... or buying it is very difficult. Do you think India is going to fight them? What is ours, what is Amerovsky, is just a big garbage chute. Try it in real combat conditions. The last conflict with China, Pakistan was a long time ago. They will not invent their own gunpowder, which will show themselves in the best way in the near collision, and those technologies and plants will be ordered. For a radical solution to problems.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 1 December 2016 23: 04
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      "The last conflict with China, Pakistan was a long time ago" /////

      I have just been with Pakistan. Pakistanis destroyed the Indian barracks on the border.
      The Hindus landed special forces and destroyed the Pakistani camp inland.
      Nationalists came to power in India with very warlike rhetoric.
  14. Ckyy
    Ckyy 1 December 2016 23: 32
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    how so Indians brother ??? Russian weapons are the most in the world and you .... a knife in the back? : 3
  15. Valkh
    Valkh 2 December 2016 04: 34
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    I am sure - for India this is a step forward !!!
  16. sgazeev
    sgazeev 2 December 2016 06: 46
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    Quote: hirurg
    Something I Indians do not understand.
    Not like technology gathering, it's like flipping the states.
    So as not to get into a showdown with Pakistan.
  17. sgazeev
    sgazeev 2 December 2016 06: 49
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    Quote: Spade
    "Division"? eight)))))
    The M777 is a weapon in service with all US brigade artillery, except for the "heavy" brigades, where the old M109 is still being kept. Well, and 105-mm howitzers, which are actively withdrawn "to the reserve", replacing everywhere again with the M777
    Is that why the Stryker Brigade needs an airborne gun?

    Therefore, the M777 and FM77 guns of the same class.

  18. Engineer
    Engineer 2 December 2016 08: 22
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    Yes, I remember how there was an article praising this titanium howitzer, and the author even in his grayness claimed that she also had a titanium barrel laughing