Ministry of Industry and Trade announced a competition to create a medium-speed engine for the Russian Navy

The Russian Ministry of Industry announced a competition to create a sample of a medium-speed diesel engine for promising naval ships, reports Flotprom.

Marine diesel engine D500 production of Kolomna plant

According to the documentation, 26,5 million rubles is allocated for the creation of a sample of a V-shaped medium-speed diesel engine with the dimension of 31 / 750.

“At present, in the Russian Federation, domestic medium-speed ship diesel engines with a power above 4500 kW are not produced, which makes Russian shipbuilding and the Russian Navy economically dependent on imports and is unacceptable for these strategic industries and the country's defense” - said the Ministry of Industry and Trade.

The contest is expected to win the designers of the Kolomna Plant.

“We hope to win this competition. State support in the field of diesel engineering contributes to the achievement of high results, as shown by the implementation of the previous Federal Target Program (FTP). Thanks to participation in the federal target program "Kolomensky Zavod" he created a new product: a diesel engine of a new dimension, type D500. In the course of the competition announced by the Ministry of Industry and Trade, a diesel engine for the Navy will be created on the basis of this size range fleet and civil shipbuilding of a new generation, ”Valery Ryzhov, chief designer of the diesel engine building enterprise, told the publication.

Portal's reference: “Medium-speed diesel engines with a power above 4500 kW are used as the main engines of large ships and vessels. For example, the 20380Д16 diesel engines installed on corvettes of the 49 project have 4412 kW of power, and the Navy type Dubna 18 DRPN diesel tankers have 5890 kW of diesel.

Comments

[alekc73]

Competition announced? Diesel needed today. Modern and reliable.

[Giant thought]

This competition had to be announced yesterday, what kind of clumsy bureaucratic machine we have all the same.

[avt]

Quote: Thought Giant

This contest should have been announced yesterday,

There was no need to bring down the ship diesel plant in Bryansk, the director shouted in 2012 - that's it, the point of no return comes and nothing can be done with the plant. And now, of course, the Kolomna "competition" will win and, as before, will ship ships, well, in their spare time from the railway.

[Amurets]

Quote: avt

There was no need to bring down the ship diesel plant in Bryansk, the director shouted in 2012 - that's it, the point of no return comes and nothing can be done with the plant. And now, of course, the Kolomna "competition" will win and, as before, will ship ships, well, in their spare time from the railway.

In addition to BMZ, the Russian Diesel plant and the Khabarovsk Daldizel plant were filled up. RUMO and Penzadiesel remained.

[Vlad.by]

RUMO is also gone, alas!

[APASUS]

Quote: Amurets

In addition to BMZ, the plant "Russian Diesel" was filled up

There licenses were bought there: MAN, Vaasa 22, Vaasa 32. The factory was flooded, and half of Asia supplied Russian diesel. All nuclear power plants had been equipped with diesel generators before, and now it again turns out that diesel is needed.
Most interesting, again it is not clear who is responsible? Did it fall apart?

[Inok10]

Quote: APASUS

There were purchased licenses MAN, Vaasa 22, Vaasa 32.

... the answer is why it was "flooded" on the surface ... precisely for licenses ... but not for their development ... strained your brain and the result is in the form of the base D500 ... all the more so, the Russian Railways on the basis of it deliver the 12LDG12 Diesel Generator to its 500 cylinders - the first example of a new standard series D500 (26,5 / 31) ... photo:
... it’s up to Ship now ...

V.A. Gapanovich noted that the 12LDG500 diesel generator is a fundamentally new model of a medium-speed diesel engine, created in Russia for the first time over the last 50 years. The 12LDG500 diesel generator is the first example of a new size series D500 (26,5 / 31). A new family of diesel engines of a standard size series D500 with a power up to 10000 hp involves the creation of multi-purpose diesel engines for Russian Railways, Navy, nuclear power and other industries.
The 12LDG500 diesel generator is based on own factory developmentsconducted under the leadership of the chief designer of Kolomensky Zavod OJSC for mechanical engineering, Honored Designer of the Russian Federation V. Ryzhov Source: http://www.rzd-expo.ru/developments/detail.php?ID
= 147781

...

Quote: APASUS

Most interesting, again it is not clear who is responsible? Did it fall apart?

... above it’s understandable why ... it’s not necessary to buy a lot of licenses ... but, to create with the mind, this is another matter ... so what is the point of import substitution like Bryants buy a license? ... or how to create a line Kolomentsy base from 2000 hp up to 10000 hp ...

[Inok10]

Quote: Inok10

or how to create a line Kolomentsy base from 2000 hp up to 10000 hp

P.S. ... source: http://www.kolomnadiesel.com/productions/diesel_e
ngine / d500 / performance_attributes /
... Regards to the Honest Community ...

[Amurets]

Quote: Inok10

.. above it’s understandable why ... there’s no need to buy a lot of licenses ... but to create one with your mind is another matter ... so what is the point of import substitution like Bryants buy a license? ... or how to create a line Kolomentsy base from 2000 hp up to 10000 hp

No need to lobby for the interests of Russian Railways. Because the production of licensed diesels was established at those plants that destroyed. And how much will be done to finalize the 12LDG500 diesel, the grandmother said in two.

[Inok10]

Quote: Amurets

No need to lobby for the interests of Russian Railways.

... you can simply old ... to you? ... because if you are, I’d already clean my face ... but didn’t bother to walk and read the link? ... this is infa 2014! ... in the yard the end of 2016 ... ... oh, I love Constructive Critics, with a Critical mindset ... oh, how I love ... they don’t know how to read, they don’t know the materiel, but they climb everywhere ...

Quote: Amurets

Because the production of licensed diesel engines was established at those plants that were destroyed.

... and they did the right thing ... they have their own and better, the Kolomenskys ... ah, "very smart" - licensed into the furnace ... who forbade them to develop their own? ... the answer is no one! ... but it was easier to buy a license with credit money than to develop ... Now they are not there, and this is right ... these are not Partners / Affiliates - these are Freeloaders! ... ... and God forbid, they would have been able to smuggle licensed diesel engines into Russian Railways, the Navy, Rosatom, "supposedly Domestic", but the truth is under the trans-river license ... units ... oh, there’s such a bummer ... in Russian, Paddle and all over his face "with a wide smile across the river" ... SHMYAK! ... ...

Quote: Amurets

And how much the 12LDG500 diesel will be refined, the grandmother said in two.

... oh, how bad it is with the materiel ... it's a diesel generator ... sample 2012-2014 ... it is already in the Russian Railways ... purchased in a series ...

[Alexanast]

Amurets, Bryansk plant and Kolomensky produced diesel engines completely different, from the word completely. And what does lobbying for Russian Railways have to do with it.
They have been manufacturing diesel engines for the fleet on Kolomenskoye for a very, very long time ... This is to the point ...

And how much will the diesel refining 12LDG500 be produced

[Amurets]

Quote: Alexanast

0
Alexanast Today, 11:44 ↑
Amurets, Bryansk plant and Kolomensky produced diesel engines completely different, from the word completely. And what does lobbying for Russian Railways have to do with it.
They have been manufacturing diesel engines for the fleet on Kolomenskoye for a very, very long time ... This is to the point ...

The new diesel engine undergoes a full cycle of tests for reliability and refinement and the identification of miscalculations and shortcomings. By the way, this applies to any diesel engine. And the fact that BMZ: RUMO: Daldiesel: and other plants produced engines of different dimensions and different types is understandable and they are all in demand by the fleet.

[Sergey S.]

Quote: Alexanast

Amurets, Bryansk plant and Kolomensky produced diesel engines completely different, from the word completely. And what does lobbying for Russian Railways have to do with it.
They have been manufacturing diesel engines for the fleet on Kolomenskoye for a very, very long time ... This is to the point ...

And how much will the diesel refining 12LDG500 be produced

All right.
But, I join the opinion that the refinement will be difficult and long.

A lot of innovations and high parameters ....
I wish success to the people of Kolomna and really hope, or rather, believe that they will cope with childhood diseases of new engines faster than not many others ...

[velikoros-xnumx]

Penzadiesel

The smoking room is still alive. Somewhere from a couple of years ago, Finns came to Penza and negotiated the development and production of marine diesel engines at the Penza diesel plant. I don’t know how it ended.

[Ivan Ivanov]

Quote: avt

the director shouted in 2012 - that's it, the point of no return

Dear dear partners, there were also political necessity to give orders

[hirurg]

Our diesel officers with a universal joint need to be attached to one place so that the pistons move faster.
Well, it doesn’t get through my head .....

[venik]

Quote: hirurg

Well, it doesn’t get through my head .....

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So it is necessary through the "anus" .. Sorry through the "back door" ......

[Amurets]

Quote: hirurg

Well, it doesn’t get through my head .....

In my time there was a continuation: "It does not reach through the head, it will reach through the hands." And go to work, "take more, throw on." http://www.korabel.ru/news/comments/rossiya_poter
yala_dizelestroenie.html This is a 2008 article. Since then, in connection with the events in Ukraine, the situation has become even worse.

[venik]

Quote: Thought Giant

This contest should have been announced yesterday,

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Yes, it was necessary not yesterday, but the day before yesterday! So why not declare it now? Better late than never!!!!

[Zaurbek]

..or the day before yesterday. A lot of it rests not even in the design, but in the casting of the cylinder block with the required accuracy. and with this we have trouble.

[Amurets]

Quote: Zaurbek

A lot of it rests not even in the design, but in the casting of the cylinder block with the required accuracy. and with this we have trouble.

Not just casting a block. It is rather a problem of automotive diesel engines and medium diesel engines with power up to 1000 kW. Larger, there are other technologies and a welded sump. But the accuracy and alignment of the holes, the quality of the materials, it has always been a problem.

Quote: APASUS

There licenses were bought there: MAN, Vaasa 22, Vaasa 32. The factory was flooded, and half of Asia supplied Russian diesel. All nuclear power plants had been equipped with diesel generators before, and now it again turns out that diesel is needed.

You forgot the diesel engines Semt Pilstick. Also bought a license.http: //www.propulsionplant.ru/dvigateli/
dizelnye-dvigateli / proizvodstvennoe-obedinenie-en
sskii-dizel / dizeli-6chn4046.html
And most importantly, those who say that this problem was raised five and ten years ago are right. Under this link you will find for the sake of whom our diesel engine building was ruined.http: //analogi.ru/sostdizelstr

[Juborg]

On average, an engine is created in 7-10 years, and when do we wait for it, if you take into account a hundred, the competition will not be deliberately delayed or even failed?

[donavi49]

Well, it will be based on 12keD500, which is already spinning at the stand of Kolomna.

According to the terms in the source (Flotprom) it is indicated:
The completion of development work is scheduled for November 2018.
http://flotprom.ru/2016/Импортозамещение9/

[venik]

Quote: juborg

On average, the engine is created 7-10 years

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Is not a fact! If there are developments - maybe faster ...

[Zaurbek]

So far, they will conclude contracts for Chinese marine diesel engines (copies of MAN)

[dvina71]

Quote: juborg

On average, an engine is created in 7-10 years, and when do we wait for it, if you take into account a hundred, the competition will not be deliberately delayed or even failed?

You are confused. 10 lei is a cycle, in the course of which the line undergoes a complete replacement of the engine with a new one.
I explain.
The engine goes into operation. The first two years, pop-up flaws are eliminated and statistics are kept. Which leads to the first modernization and replacement of parts. Then another two years, and the engine comes out with the sign M, for which statistics are also kept .. that after 10 times leads to the replacement of almost all parts.
This is in brief.
The development of a new engine is much shorter. Because it is always done on the basis of an already working engine with a similar performance characteristics.
The task to develop such an engine should not be given to the manufacturer. And the institute, which will arrange such an engine, will calculate the stresses, wear and which hardening is necessary for it.
But then we need a manufacturer who will comply with this technology.

[vlad_vlad]

alekc73 Today, 14:42 AM New
Competition announced? Diesel needed today. Modern and reliable.

selling diesel. German. Today. Modern and reliable.
attached to the diesel engine: bow, feed, sides, equipment. It looks like a German-built ship - but in reality it’s diesel.

[Vladimirets]

Quote: alekc73

Competition announced? Diesel needed today. Modern and reliable.

IMHO, the usual public procurement procedure, most likely the engine is already there, but some formalities must be observed, not in vain "The designers of Kolomensky Zavod expect to win the competition".

[Alex_Tug]

Come on. I also have to change my glasses. I do not make a tragedy out of it.

[Polite Moose]

This, I understand, is efficiency. Ukrainians and Ukrainians only 2 years ago threw us with their engines, and then our Ministry of Industry and Trade, as if stung, arrived in time for the competition. If they continue to walk so broadly, then after another 2 years we will see the finished terms of reference for the engine. And competitive procedures will be held in record time. 1-2 years, no more.

[Sagittarius]

Yes, we lost a lot of time, but did anyone answer for this?

[venik]

Quote: Sagittarius

Yes, we lost a lot of time, but did anyone answer for this?

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Yes, to find the guilty - NOT A PROBLEM !!! To solve the second eternal Russian question: WHAT TO DO (so as not to lose time) !!!

[Mikado]

I have been at work for two years, at 13-14 I once a month sent my employees to the Gulf of Finland on a river-sea dry cargo vessel "Nevsky" (to do work during the voyage), sometimes I went myself. Dry cargo ships were built in the 70s and 80s. So there are still native GDR-ovsky diesel engines! I mean, if you take a responsible approach, you can make high-quality engines that will last a long time and reliably. So help, Lord, our machine builders in the development of domestic engines! Good deed!

[BABA SHURA]

The country of thieves woke up. 750 at the start, but how much will it get to the point? There are no engines not only for ships, the auto industry with agricultural machinery is all in import. He was on Yaroslavsky, what did he see there, German innovations?

[Potter]

Wow, the hamsters woke up.
Lie and do not lie. The auto industry with us and began with the assembly of Fords (screwdriver). He came to full independence. Now in the automotive industry, localization is 75-80%. Including at YaMZ. There will be no 100% problems.
It is a pity that production was killed at the Bryansk plant, but there they made low-speed diesel engines for the merchant fleet and auxiliary vessels.

[venik]

Quote: Potter

It is a pity that production was killed at the Bryansk plant

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Lord! But when will we learn not to step (in chorus and in unison) on the same rake called "breaking - not building" !!! Stalin is needed to build, and Gorbachev is enough to break it ...

[dvina71]

Quote: Potter

It is a pity that production was killed at the Bryansk plant

What kind of motor production was in Bryansk and where? You and Belgorod did not confuse?
SO Belgorod plant is working ..

[Amurets]

Quote: dvina71

What kind of motor production was in Bryansk and where? You and Belgorod did not confuse?

And here it is.

[Amurets]

But the crankshaft from this diesel engine. Great for KAMAZ.

[Amurets]

And here's another shotto from the assembly shop BMZ (Bryansk Engineering Plant)

[BABA SHURA]

A television prompter, can enumerate, diesel engines for GAZelle and UAZ, for tractors and combines? Your capacities are the missing imported parts.

[75 hammer]

Enough to cry, this diesel engine has already been developed by him Kolomna on the basis of D49, and the money for the retrofitting of production, because the plant broke storms of change!

[donavi49]

No. Kolomna made 12LDG500. And while they are still finishing, the railwaymen have already bought out the first lots. The naval ones will only develop on the basis of the D500. Based on the document "Completion development works are scheduled for November 2018. "

And D500 itself is a new development, and not based on D49. It is based on another project that did not reach the metal in 90.

[uskrabut]

It’s strange somehow, we know how to do nuclear reactors, but they still haven’t created a diesel engine for the fleet. Although it is generally surprising with such ministers that at least part of the enterprises has been preserved. They worked according to Thatcher’s plan.

[Mikado]

it's like an author like Isaev wrote about the motorization of the Red Army in 1941: "It was easier for the Soviet Union to create a new heavy tank than a heavy truck." What can you do, we have such a country!

[Zaurbek]

A nuclear reactor is technologically simpler than an internal combustion engine. The main difficulty is fuel ... and the rest is almost a samovar with a turbine ...

[venik]

Quote: uskrabut

It’s strange somehow, we know how to do nuclear reactors, but they still haven’t created a diesel engine for the fleet.

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Once (at the beginning of the 60s) one of the leading designers of the Yuzhnoye Design Bureau came to Academician Yangel with a similar question ("why can't we make a solid-fuel engine for ballistic missiles? We launch satellites - but this is not possible!" Yangel chuckled bitterly and took out a pack of Gillette blades from a desk drawer - "We can't even do razor blades the way the Swedes do - and here's solid rocket fuel ... Not everything comes out right away ..."
The time has come - they did (and no worse than the Yankees), although they stole something ...
I think with diesels - it will do too! Well, we are such a people - SLAVAN! To go - you need a good pendell for the 5th point ... AND GO! More than once it was ...

[Irokez]

Yes, not a pendell is needed, but normal working conditions and at least a little understanding from the higher management that solves its financial problems at the expense of lower ones.
Capitalism is a witness and all this says: "I can turn what I want." Those who care about the enterprise for the long term have lower profits and profitability, pouring money into the future, and quick money spoils all managers, plus loans to him at a low interest rate and everything will go like clockwork there.
There’s still a systemic problem because our business was initially in worse conditions than in the debugged west that built a system for a long time and lives well bending and spreading the rivals that appeared after the 90s and they don’t want to pay attention to their debts because they want to write them off at the expense of others, but so far no way - others so far have resisted and did not lie down, and recently they began to rise.
Slavs are more creative in nature than east or west, for it is easier for us to invent than copy on a large scale (copy is not interesting). But others just copy a lot of the same thing and they have grandmas. We have a flight of thought, and they have it in the cage for a while and they are debugging the mass production.

[viktor.]

us until the roasted cock pecks

[Neputin]

Finally! Glory to Russia! Glory to the patriots! Less than 17 years have passed since the problem arose and the ice was broken. BLEAT, but how long can I wait for you, GOATS? (In 2000, the question of creating a stand in Rybinsk for testing domestic engines for the Navy was raised and money was allocated - this is a reminder for especially stubborn ones - GUGL to help)

[the same doctor]

Creating a sample engine requires almost all the equipment for its mass production. That is, make equipment, make a sample, but we won’t buy it from you. Or make the engine on your knee, artisanal, and then the production model will not necessarily be the same. It would be more honest to announce TU and order a series of engines. Without any stupid contests there. And to estimate prices, keep in mind the prices of similar imported samples. Then there will be no sense in saving on the machine park. It will be possible to get away from handicraft and do everything at once on a modern level. By the way, I have an idea to improve ICE.

[dvina71]

Quote: also a doctor

By the way, I have an idea to improve ICE.

Even afraid to ask .. what?
Because over the past 20-30 years of sensible innovations in the internal combustion engine, the cat has cried .. The cooler, the turbine .. that’s all, but .. the phases are still adjustable ..
The weight of the rest changes the quality of the exhaust, noise ... and a bunch of parameters ... except for efficiency and specific fuel consumption ..

[BABA SHURA]

Quote: Potter

Wow, the hamsters woke up.
Lie and do not lie. The auto industry with us and began with the assembly of Fords (screwdriver). He came to full independence. Now in the automotive industry, localization is 75-80%. Including at YaMZ. There will be no 100% problems.
It is a pity that production was killed at the Bryansk plant, but there they made low-speed diesel engines for the merchant fleet and auxiliary vessels.

A television prompter, your capacities, are not enough imported parts.

[Kudrevkn]

Similar diesel engines were made at a plant in Troitsk (Chelyabinsk region), which is now plundered and destroyed? But in my opinion, this is a technology of the twentieth century or WWII, long outdated. Either they are finished in the Ministry of Industry, or are the bastards traitors to Russia's national interests? I don't see any other explanation for this "innovation"?