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Media: the layout of the Ukrainian "Oplota" became a sensation at an exhibition in Pakistan

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At the international exhibition IDEAS-2016, held in November in the city of Karachi (Pakistan), the Ukrainian exhibition attracted special attention of visitors and participants of the salon, in particular, a model of a promising tank Oplot-M, reports Military Informant with reference to the Pakistani media.




“The model of the modernized Ukrainian tank aroused genuine interest from both the top military leadership of Pakistan and a number of foreign delegations. The appearance of the model of the most modern Ukrainian tank was the reason for talking about the possible acquisition of a batch of tanks in the interests of the armed forces of Pakistan, which had previously conducted evaluation tests of the new Ukrainian design, ”the material says.

It is noted that the possible acquisition of "Oplotov" will be a direct response to the Indian Armed Forces, armed with Russian T-90 tanks and planning to purchase an additional batch of these vehicles.

Pakistan’s purchase of Oplot-M tanks “can significantly change the situation in the region,” the article notes.

It is reported that representatives of the military departments of Asia and North Africa also became interested in the Ukrainian cars at the exhibition.
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  1. oleg-gr
    oleg-gr 30 November 2016 15: 21
    +22
    The layout is, of course, beautiful. I wonder what will appear in the gland and when. Porosenko has long promised to sell to everyone in the world "the most modern tank" that others will envy.
    1. vovanpain
      vovanpain 30 November 2016 15: 24
      +119
      The Ukrainian exposition attracted special attention of visitors and participants of the salon, in particular, the model of the promising Oplot-M tank

      Well, yes, yes, Pakistan and will order hundreds of other layouts.
      1. Dr. Barmaley
        Dr. Barmaley 30 November 2016 15: 38
        +96
        Well, yes, yes, Pakistan will order a hundred different layouts.


        Paying mock money.
        1. Now we are free
          Now we are free 30 November 2016 15: 48
          +17
          The next sensation will be made by the "Space program of the former Ukraine", where it will be presented in the form of a visual layout non-working toilet from YuzhMash ...
          1. Thrall
            Thrall 30 November 2016 16: 24
            +55
            I remembered an old joke about two businessmen:
            - Buy a car of sugar.
            - I take it.
            One went to look for sugar, the other to look for money ...
            1. cniza
              cniza 30 November 2016 16: 57
              +14
              And they will fight with mock-ups, who passes this information and for what purpose? We’ll discuss a normal product, maybe we’ll even rejoice, our school, and so on ... while it’s fun and nothing more.
              1. Monos
                Monos 30 November 2016 17: 12
                +20
                Quote: cniza
                They will make a normal product.

                They won’t do it. Where will they get engines and gun barrels? The reserves of Soviet heritage are not endless.
                1. BecmepH
                  BecmepH 1 December 2016 06: 23
                  +2
                  Where will they get the engines
                  At one time in Ukraine, the T-80 was modernized by installing a diesel engine on them. And the tank turned out better than ours. Another thing is that at this time they (Ukraine) are not capable of anything.
                  1. kotvov
                    kotvov 1 December 2016 10: 09
                    +2
                    This boar told you which is better?
                  2. Berkut24
                    Berkut24 2 December 2016 12: 46
                    +1
                    Which is better than ours? The entire T-80 cimus was in a turbine, which in cold weather ran faster than a diesel engine and allowed to develop crazy speed. But with the armor, the t-80 was worse than the counterparts. So to put diesel on the T-80 - only spoil the car. All benefits are lost.
                    1. Shishiga
                      Shishiga 6 December 2016 18: 25
                      0
                      But with the armor, the t-80 was worse than the counterparts.

                      And be so kind as a little more in detail the armor was worse, hehe, than with which brothers. List these brothers - pliz.
                      1. Berkut24
                        Berkut24 6 December 2016 20: 54
                        0
                        In Chechnya:
                        The loading mechanism "Basket" of the T-80 tanks had a fatal design flaw. Ready-made warheads were placed vertically, only partially protected by road wheels. A hit from an RPG from the side and above them, led to the decapitation of the tank, due to the detonation of the ammunition. In this regard, the T-72A and T-72B had a higher likelihood of survival after flanking attacks - due to the storage of ammunition horizontally, below the rims of the road wheels.
                        In general, here, maybe, the difference is not quite in the reservation, the T-72 also did not burn slightly, but the T-72 chassis still better covered the side. Nevertheless, it must be admitted that the T-80 was noticeably more expensive than the 72s, but according to the results of the battles it did not show the best defense. Probably, for this reason, UVZ continued to develop the 72nd rather than the 80th. and it’s not even that the 72nd was originally born in the Urals. In the 82nd year I saw the T-80 for the first time at the Izhora plant, there is nothing in it so that UVZ according to the available documentation from St. Petersburg could not reproduce it. Just the 72nd at its price was more suitable for modernization.
                  3. Lee_Mubai
                    Lee_Mubai 5 December 2016 05: 37
                    0
                    And what fuel did the T-80 use? before modernization in Ukraine?
                    1. Shishiga
                      Shishiga 6 December 2016 18: 27
                      0
                      Could and on a solarium, but not very long. Before modernization.
          2. Incvizitor
            Incvizitor 30 November 2016 20: 31
            +21
            Well, before there were such layouts:
            Ukrainian tank building is taking leaps and bounds laughing
        2. oborzevatel
          oborzevatel 30 November 2016 17: 11
          +20
          Quote: Dr. Barmaley
          Well, yes, yes, Pakistan will order a hundred different layouts.

          Paying mock money.

          Models of aircraft have not yet been offered?
          1. Stas Snezhin
            Stas Snezhin 30 November 2016 18: 45
            +8
            Models of aircraft have not yet been offered?

            Everything is much more serious with them, they don’t deal with trifles.
            Preparing a model of an armored Saturnolet
            and the layout of the "Photon Mars Gnaw" ..
            By the way, absolutely impenetrable from the layouts of any weapon!
      2. Titsen
        Titsen 30 November 2016 15: 57
        +7
        Quote: vovanpain
        Pakistan and order a hundred different layouts.


        And the PESHAN will fight - in a TANK!
      3. bald
        bald 30 November 2016 19: 26
        +21
        It would be necessary for Ukraine to take more equipment with it.
      4. PAM
        PAM 30 November 2016 21: 08
        +9
        two days ago, I read this article on a military informant, I thought about it. Dill is writing praising your tank, and now this nonsense has been posted here.
    2. 210ox
      210ox 30 November 2016 15: 26
      +15
      "Beautiful" .. Even the chipboard board was not torn off ..
      Quote: oleg-gr
      The layout is, of course, beautiful. I wonder what will appear in the gland and when. Porosenko has long promised to sell to everyone in the world "the most modern tank" that others will envy.
      1. Serg koma
        Serg koma 30 November 2016 16: 42
        +30
        In order.
        1. The author of the article "Military informant" (see link) does not use the word "layout"(in the title), the phrase"with reference to Pakistani media"
        REPRINTING AN ARTICLE - IT'S NOT WORTH BECOMING A "CO-AUTHOR""
        2. Original article 28.11.2016/30.11.2016/2016 (today is already 22/11/2016), and the exhibition is IDEAS 25. Event type: Exhibition. Dates: from 11/2016/XNUMX to XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX
        And this is "NEWS"?
        3. IMHO. This article is on the VO website (right here) is provocative in nature, the author, or rather, the co-author is trying to provoke negative reviews about the country's defense 404
        There is NO objective data, except for the general words "interest" and "conversations" in the article.
        1. meriem1
          meriem1 30 November 2016 18: 04
          +4
          What is more objective ??? The layout is not a tank in iron. Not run-in and not tested for vulnerability .. And where does the number ???? So you can get to the bottom of the pillar! Which usually do comrades who have no arguments!
          1. 78bor1973
            78bor1973 30 November 2016 21: 31
            +4
            Even this model is just a modernization of the previous tank, it’s not able to offer anything essentially new Ukrainians, even to revive the old scrap!
        2. Archon
          Archon 4 December 2016 12: 48
          +1
          the site administration should follow this. Without control, you can turn the site into yy.
    3. Urfin
      Urfin 30 November 2016 15: 28
      +11
      Apparently an exhibition of modelers, designers))).
      If you look closely, the gunner has triplexes, but of them he does not see anything at all)) why are they?)
      1. jjj
        jjj 30 November 2016 15: 33
        +7
        People apparently forgot about the quality of Ukrainian metal, the quality of the Ukrainian assembly and the traditional Ukrainian scam
      2. Giant thought
        Giant thought 30 November 2016 15: 34
        +22
        And when these mock-ups of military equipment became the sensation of the exhibition, it may be in the inflamed consciousness of Ukrainian journalists.
        1. cap
          cap 30 November 2016 16: 43
          +3
          Quote: Giant thought
          And when these mock-ups of military equipment became the sensation of the exhibition, it may be in the inflamed consciousness of Ukrainian journalists.


          For example, I appreciated the humor of journalists.
          The fact that the TANK presented for sale is just a LAYOUT is a SENSATION. laughing
      3. The stranger
        The stranger 30 November 2016 15: 57
        +8
        A sighting system on the roof, covers 90 degrees of anti-aircraft machine gun fire.
      4. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 30 November 2016 16: 04
        +6
        Quote: Urfin
        Apparently an exhibition of model designers

        Ours also often drag models to exhibitions. Wasn’t our colleague Kars collecting a model? what
        1. Albert1988
          Albert1988 1 December 2016 11: 50
          0
          Quote: Vladimirets
          Wasn’t our colleague Kars collecting a model?

          Do not offend Kars - he is an avid modeler - I would have collected an order of magnitude better (I’m sure that even from scratch), and here it is - a whip in the elementary school circle ...
    4. GSH-18
      GSH-18 30 November 2016 15: 40
      +8
      layout Ukrainian "Bastion" became a sensation at an exhibition in Pakistan

      Buyers want a layout. Himself "stronghold" and they do not need a gift! good
      Skakly are still those mock master cases! laughing
      1. oborzevatel
        oborzevatel 30 November 2016 17: 13
        +6
        Quote: GSH-18
        layout Ukrainian "Bastion" became a sensation at an exhibition in Pakistan

        Buyers want a layout. Himself "stronghold" and they do not need a gift! good
        Skakly are still those mock master cases! laughing

        Aha
        1. notingem
          notingem 30 November 2016 22: 39
          +2
          Probably a field kitchen. I like
        2. Gemini
          Gemini 5 December 2016 01: 06
          +1
          Is it an armored field kitchen?
          1. AlexVas44
            AlexVas44 6 December 2016 16: 01
            0
            Kitchen, but with the possibility of self-defense. So that porridge is so easy not to take !!!
    5. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 30 November 2016 15: 41
      +14
      Pakistan’s purchase of Oplot-M tanks “can significantly change the situation in the region,” the article notes.

      She can only change the situation in the bank accounts of the Ministry of Defense of Pakistan. I hope they pay in advance and wait for the weather from the sea. laughing
      1. Lynch
        Lynch 30 November 2016 17: 26
        +6
        Pakistan’s purchase of Oplot-M tanks “can significantly change the situation in the region,” the article notes.

        They will not really change, only stronger in favor of India.
    6. Pasha
      Pasha 30 November 2016 15: 52
      +10
      It is Uninhabited, Supersonic, StealthTank, on Jet Propulsion, with a depth of immersion of 5000 meters.
      Moreover, it was made contrary to the Russian Federation. And it was tested in battle on the moon, where the Ukrainian base.
      But all this is very SECRET.
      laughing
      1. cap
        cap 30 November 2016 16: 48
        +5
        Quote: Pasha
        It is Uninhabited, Supersonic, StealthTank, on Jet Propulsion, with a depth of immersion of 5000 meters.
        Moreover, it was made contrary to the Russian Federation. And it was tested in battle on the moon, where the Ukrainian base.
        But all this is very SECRET.
        laughing


        The Americans lease a Ukrainian base on the moon. Tests were conducted on Mars near the pyramids, where Ukrainian special forces are training. laughing
    7. GSH-18
      GSH-18 30 November 2016 15: 54
      +4
      The appearance of the model of the most modern Ukrainian tank became the reason for discussions on the topic of the possible acquisition of a batch of tanks in the interests of the armed forces of Pakistan, which had previously conducted evaluative tests of the new Ukrainian development, ”the material says.

      Yes, everything is simple. Pakistan has the loot on normal T-90 Nem, the year for hemp was lean! lol So they "look closely" to the dill.
      1. Orionvit
        Orionvit 30 November 2016 16: 52
        +10
        On occasion, Pakistan will also find Bablos on the Russians, but only Pakistan, this is traditionally the patrimony of the United States. The owner did not order to buy from Russia. But on American tanks, they definitely don’t have enough bucks. I don’t understand what the Pakistanis think. To negotiate about such high-tech equipment as tanks, with a country with a completely destroyed economy like Ukraine.
        1. GSH-18
          GSH-18 30 November 2016 17: 02
          +3
          Quote: Orionvit
          On occasion, Pakistan will also find Bablos in Russian

          And who will sell them to them then? We supply T-90 India, Pakistan in flight request
          Well, only if they buy where the thread is ... And yes, they definitely don’t have enough bablos for Abrams.
        2. Olegovi4
          Olegovi4 30 November 2016 18: 55
          +1
          packs have long been tightly tied with teas. Airplanes do. Azerbaijan is going to kind of take fighters), the fleet too. I think the tanks will be from there. China today has a lot to offer.
          1. GSH-18
            GSH-18 30 November 2016 19: 34
            +2
            Quote: Olegovi4
            China today has a lot to offer.

            So this situeshin is already a long time ago ... it started with Chinese down jackets wassat !
            In which chicken feathers for the second winter season themselves lol gathered in the ass area laughing
            Since then, Chinese quality has not undergone any changes. bully
          2. Albert1988
            Albert1988 1 December 2016 11: 52
            0
            Quote: Olegovi4
            packs have long been tightly tied with teas.

            So the thought came to me - maybe the Chinese want to buy a stronghold through the packs? They just need a couple of instances to analyze and copy ...
            Although it is unlikely - I'm sure they already know everything about this unit - the Ukrainians must have already sold all the documentation to them ...
            1. Crimean partisan 1974
              Crimean partisan 1974 5 December 2016 17: 18
              0
              what is there to sell, the packs scream that they sold the 404th 80s with engines 5DT-complete bullshit, they need urgent compensation, but the 404th neither 5 DTs have 6 DTs, for forum users, the 5DT push-pull engine is a two-stroke engine reverse oppositki, very computerctn. BUT a resource of 200 hours, they say that 6TD has a resource of 1000 hours !!!, this is rather from the realm of fiction
    8. Kent0001
      Kent0001 30 November 2016 16: 04
      +4
      There will be nothing but a layout or a maximum of a creeping case.
    9. NEXUS
      NEXUS 30 November 2016 16: 31
      +12
      Quote: oleg-gr
      The layout, of course, is beautiful. It is curious what will appear in the gland and when.

      He is already in the gland ...

      Another question is whether Ukrainians are able to fulfill the order for the delivery of these tanks to the customer on time and in proper quality.
      Quote: oleg-gr
      Porosenko has long promised to sell to everyone in the world "the most modern tank" that others will envy.

      Apparently he was talking about Tirex ..

      I just think there will be neither one nor the other ... Ukraine is not even able to fulfill its obligations to supply tanks to Indonesia and Thailand.
    10. spech
      spech 30 November 2016 18: 25
      +1
      Damn enough to make fakes or give a source am
    11. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 30 November 2016 19: 59
      +3
      Quote: oleg-gr
      The layout is, of course, beautiful. I wonder what will appear in the gland and when. Porosenko has long promised to sell to everyone in the world "the most modern tank" that others will envy.

      Pakistan, being bad with India, is moving closer to China. That's where he will take tanks, cheaply and without a headache. Ukrov has an old song: "Pay for development, come back in 4 years. We offer to forgive 50 tanks, I remembered" to restructure! "
    12. Uncle Murzik
      Uncle Murzik 1 December 2016 07: 56
      0
      article bullshit! what could be the interest in the layout? belay wassat
    13. Semen Semyonitch
      Semen Semyonitch 25 December 2016 08: 57
      0
      Quote: oleg-gr
      The layout, of course, is beautiful

      Externally, tuning the T-72 ... What is there in electronics ???
  2. nnm
    nnm 30 November 2016 15: 22
    +9
    At a mock toy exhibition?
  3. Terminolol
    Terminolol 30 November 2016 15: 23
    +7
    I think our designers and not so slush if desired. But in the metal ... It's like a concept car - we want, we strive, but not the fact that it will turn out.
    Well, they drove a little ... but whether they will do it, whether they will deliver it ... with the quality that is claimed.
  4. nnm
    nnm 30 November 2016 15: 24
    +10
    Excuse me, but there was a version of the mega supertank "Azovets" .. well, the one that looks like a trash can, has it already been forgotten?
    1. 210ox
      210ox 30 November 2016 15: 29
      +11
      Some gopniks stole him, or took him away .. Probably Putin’s agents wassat
      1. nnm
        nnm 30 November 2016 15: 37
        +2
        Take it higher ..... DARKEST yourself !!! bully
    2. GSH-18
      GSH-18 30 November 2016 16: 26
      +4
      Quote: nnm
      Excuse me, but there was a version of the mega supertank "Azovets" .. well, the one that looks like a trash can, has it already been forgotten?

      Nah, they still couldn’t find him among Ukrainian garbage cans, the infection is masked! lol
    3. ser65
      ser65 30 November 2016 17: 13
      +2
      so his aunts were stolen ....
  5. nnm
    nnm 30 November 2016 15: 25
    +5
    It’s not clear what attracted attention there ... coloring, I guess. Something is not given on TTX data
    1. Sagittarius
      Sagittarius 30 November 2016 15: 38
      +6
      If the Pakistanis contact Ukraine with the order of these tanks. then it will be their big mistake, they will earn themselves only a headache.
      1. Not served
        Not served 30 November 2016 16: 04
        +6
        The interest is rather caused not by the layout itself, but by the financial conditions for cutting the budget for these tanks. Here Ukraine is equal in the whole world is difficult to find.
        Therefore, some officials from Pakistan work and maybe even quite well.
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    3. GSH-18
      GSH-18 30 November 2016 16: 29
      +2
      Quote: nnm
      It’s not clear what attracted attention there ... coloring, I guess. Something is not given on TTX data

      They are given orally by the treblers from ukroboronexport, so that later, if there is no evidence laughing And it was possible to steer without problems! laughing
    4. Alf
      Alf 30 November 2016 18: 20
      +1
      Quote: nnm
      Something is not given on TTX data

      So it’s secret.
  6. igorspb
    igorspb 30 November 2016 15: 25
    +8
    I really want it, I just wish the packs to work with the "neighbors" .... gain invaluable experience ....
    1. nnm
      nnm 30 November 2016 15: 27
      +4
      It is only difficult for Pakistani models to gain "experience" with Russian T90s
    2. Normal ok
      Normal ok 30 November 2016 15: 45
      +2
      Quote: igorspb
      I really want it, I just wish the packs to work with the "neighbors" .... gain invaluable experience ....

      So they have been working for a long time. Since the 90-s, the tank fleet of Pakistan has been equipped with Ukrainian Т80ud (320pcs). And, which is characteristic, they don’t complain.
      1. alexej123
        alexej123 30 November 2016 15: 53
        +15
        Maybe not Ukrainian, but Soviet? Ukraine developed its own tank?
      2. svp67
        svp67 30 November 2016 16: 17
        +11
        Quote: Normal ok
        Since the 90s, the tank fleet of Pakistan has been equipped with Ukrainian T80ud (320pcs). And, which is characteristic, they don’t complain.

        Actually, the T-80ud is a SOVIET development, this time. Two, the Pakistanis didn’t have much to complain about, for that money it was the best choice, the T-80UD was bought at 40% lower, at a price that Russia offered its T-90. Nevertheless, there are complaints, they are mainly associated with a VERY low survivability of the barrels of tank guns made in Ukraine
        Yes, and there are claims to the MTO. It’s like this to drive — kill the engine in advance, but apparently it’s impossible to keep the temperature within acceptable limits, and it’s not possible to twist the tower ...

        I think that just the price of Ukrainian engines is so low that they can be changed almost every month ...
      3. Orionvit
        Orionvit 30 November 2016 17: 05
        +4
        Because these 320 pieces, still Soviet assembly.
        1. GSH-18
          GSH-18 30 November 2016 18: 37
          0
          Quote: Orionvit
          Because these 320 pieces, still Soviet assembly.

          That's it! And what are they then Ukrainian ??? But the guns on them are definitely Ukrainian, Soviet, then they developed their own resource in the Soviet Union under the USSR request Xenovye guns in Ukraine lol Just like their "newest" mortars laughing Bullet on their own laughing laughing
  7. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 30 November 2016 15: 27
    +8
    They haven’t even seen the layout of ukroins - they’re even more astonishing there — how people can quickly degenerate.
  8. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 30 November 2016 15: 27
    +6
    Glued from plywood? They can still work out of plywood. And where will they take the armor steel? In Poland? And the barrels of the guns? They even have nowhere to make machine gun barrels and nothing. And in the article there are no links - who is the author? Where did he get the "sensation". What media?
  9. svp67
    svp67 30 November 2016 15: 28
    +4
    Pakistan’s purchase of Oplot-M tanks “can significantly change the situation in the region,” the article notes.
    In the matter of choosing which tank to buy, I think that Pakistan will come to the same conclusion as Thailand, that is, buy Chinese, so it will be more true ...
    1. GSH-18
      GSH-18 30 November 2016 18: 42
      +1
      Quote: svp67
      In the matter of choosing which tank to buy, I think that Pakistan will come to the same conclusion as Thailand, that is, buy Chinese, so it will be more true ...

      Well, yes, according to the degree of xrenovity, the Chinese tank goes slightly higher than Bender. By the fact that all these are copies of Russian or Soviet tanks request
  10. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 30 November 2016 15: 30
    +7
    That's just the Indians bought real tanks and were not fond of science fiction.
    1. Orionvit
      Orionvit 30 November 2016 17: 07
      +3
      That's just the Indians bought real tanks and were not fond of science fiction.
      And now, looking at their (Russian) T-90s, neighing with the Pakistanis.
      1. GSH-18
        GSH-18 30 November 2016 18: 46
        +1
        Quote: Orionvit
        That's just the Indians bought real tanks and were not fond of science fiction.
        And now, looking at their (Russian) T-90s, neighing with the Pakistanis.

        Along the way, it is. Hindus well done, they are doing everything right. They increase cooperation with the Russian Federation and increase the degree of localization of the production of tank warheads and shells under licenses on their territory. So it will soon be possible to say that the T-90 is also the Indian MBT.
    2. GSH-18
      GSH-18 30 November 2016 20: 17
      0
      Quote: Expelling Liberoids
      That's just the Indians bought real tanks and were not fond of science fiction.

      That’s why they will kick the back of the Pakistanis on occasion, without any nuclear weapons good
  11. Maz
    Maz 30 November 2016 15: 31
    +12
    Nekhai will buy, as if the Indians then pile them
    1. Mikado
      Mikado 30 November 2016 15: 41
      +15
      I think it’s necessary to be completely stupid to order production equipment against the background of scandals about Thailand’s shortfall in tanks and low-quality armored personnel carriers delivered to Iraq independent Ukraine. The equipment produced in the USSR does not count; they armed half of Africa with it in the 90-2000s.
      "The main reason for breaking the contract with Thailand is the inability of KhZTM to produce more than 5 of these machines a year." I wonder who they will be arming at such a rate. If only Estonia or the island of Malta.
      The result is that one of the Svidomo ukropatriots wrote a bravura stuffing, our administration reassigned it to VO.
      1. uskrabut
        uskrabut 30 November 2016 15: 58
        +3
        Quote: Mikado
        they armed it in the 90-2000s half of Africa


        And here it is, not half. They armed it all over Africa.
        1. Mikado
          Mikado 30 November 2016 16: 08
          +3
          and so rearmament that they left nothing to themselves, and the money went into someone’s pockets. fellow Therefore .. since 2014, the BM-37 mortar of the 37th model was again adopted for service, and in 2015 the battery was adopted for service .. attention .. B-4 howitzers! (here is a link to the same bravura article in Ukrainian http://wartime.org.ua/22348-na-ozbroyennya-28-omb
          r-nadyshla-batareya-203-mm-garmat-b-4-zrazka-1931
          -roku.html) wassat
          1. Olegovi4
            Olegovi4 30 November 2016 18: 58
            +3
            and the mortar is good. by VUS the commander of this unit.
            1. Mikado
              Mikado 1 December 2016 08: 29
              0
              clear that good drinks another question is that old. There is nothing new (either sold, or stolen, or broken), they drag to the front what is the place in the museum.

              and ammunition for him, probably, come from more modern mortars? is the caliber the same?
          2. bk316
            bk316 30 November 2016 19: 55
            +3
            in 2015 the battery was adopted for service .. attention .. howitzers B-4!

            C'mon, I don't believe it. I’m probably the last one to see them live. And where can I get ammunition of this caliber?
      2. Orionvit
        Orionvit 30 November 2016 17: 09
        +4
        The result is that one of the Svidomo ukropatriots wrote a bravura stuffing, our administration reassigned it to VO.
        Then you need to open a humor page on VO, and then most of the news from Ukraine will fall into the "humor" section.
        1. Mikado
          Mikado 30 November 2016 17: 13
          +4
          I don’t even know .. it would be funny if it weren’t so disgusting .. and for three years already .. a circus of madmen .. It's like they said about Pol Pot that his regime resembles - "What would happen if the children took over the school ". Pretty much the same.
          1. Orionvit
            Orionvit 30 November 2016 19: 21
            +1
            The difference between Ukraine and Pol Pot is that Ukraine is patronized by the world's leading powers, and this is really tragic. And Ukraine, with all the chaos that is happening, has not yet sunk to the horror of the Khmer Rouge.
            1. Mikado
              Mikado 1 December 2016 08: 20
              0
              the fact of the matter is that "yet." If Bandera's fans wake up with more imagination, they will slide down so that Pol Pot will envy them. The behavior of punitive forces in Donbass, torture of prisoners, the "Tornado" contingent is a living example of this. And the deeds of 70 years ago should not be forgotten.
  12. Smog
    Smog 30 November 2016 15: 32
    +15
    First, let Thais consult about the execution of contracts by the Ukrainians
    On September 1, 2011, a contract was signed for the sale of Oplot-M to foreign buyers - Ukrspetsexport and Thailand signed a contract worth $ 241 million for the manufacture and supply of 54 tanks [59] with the subsequent expansion of the contract, as the purchase volume was planned at the level of 200 tanks of this class. [60] In the modification for the Thai army, in comparison with the standard version, some changes were made to the internal equipment, communication equipment and headsets, an air conditioner was installed for the comfortable operation of tankers in a tropical climate [61].

    On June 26, 2013 the first manufactured tank was presented [62]. On November 5, 2013, the first batch of 5 tanks was handed over to the Thai army in Kharkov [63] [64] In December 2015, it became known that since there were not any Strongholds in 2015 [58], the Government of Ukraine requested a transfer of the contract to 2016 year [65].

    On February 9, 2016, representatives of the Thai Ministry of Defense confirmed a previously denied leak in the press that Thailand intends to terminate the contract for the purchase of Oplot tanks and is considering the purchase of the Chinese MBT3000 to replace it. The main reason for the termination of the contract is the inability of KhZTM to produce more than 5 of these machines per year. Thailand received only 50 of the 10 tanks ordered. [66] [67] On May 16, 2016, the authoritative agency Jane's announced that the Thai military had signed a contract for the purchase of the MBT-3000 tank. [68] Thai media reported that the Thai Ministry of Defense intends to receive 50 tanks from Ukraine within the previously paid advance, and the order for the 150 remaining tanks will go to China. At the moment, the Government of Thailand does not intend to demand the return of the advance due to the disruption of supplies. [60] According to the publication Interfax Ukraine, in May 2016, Ukraine provided the delivery to Thailand of the third batch of new main battle tanks (MBT) "Oplot" consisting of 10 machines. Thus, the total number of tanks "Oplot" in the Thai army was brought to 20 units. [69] Another batch of tanks "Oplot" in the amount of five vehicles arrived in Thailand in mid-November 2016. [70]

    Pakistan you say. Oh well. Wait for them before the carrotkin
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 30 November 2016 16: 02
      +4
      Heh heh heh ... pomnitsa, when Malyshevtsev was tortured according to the terms of delivery of "Oplot" under the Thai contract (which has already been completed for 2 years), then all that was received in response:
      Now work on it is going on as usual, as well as on other foreign orders
      ©
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  14. BOB044
    BOB044 30 November 2016 15: 39
    +9
    Media: the layout of the Ukrainian "Oplota" became a sensation at an exhibition in Pakistan
    As in the Volga Volga film, this is a good steamer, only he is afraid of water.
  15. mamont5
    mamont5 30 November 2016 15: 40
    +3
    Pakistan's purchase of the Oplot-M tanks “could significantly change the situation in the region,” the article says.

    And what will they buy? Models? Since there is nothing else from dill and never will be. They made those "strongholds" of 10 pieces for all the years, while there were still guns, but now ...
  16. Smoked
    Smoked 30 November 2016 15: 40
    +2
    I immediately thought that this was an answer to the Indians with the T-90, but the choice of the Bastion was obviously a problem.
    1. uskrabut
      uskrabut 30 November 2016 15: 54
      +1
      Ukrainians seem to be selling their strongholds in Thailand, here the Pakistanis should be asked from the Thais what kind of crap is this stronghold?
      1. igor67
        igor67 30 November 2016 18: 12
        +4
        Quote: uskrabut
        Ukrainians seem to be selling their strongholds in Thailand, here the Pakistanis should be asked from the Thais what kind of crap is this stronghold?

        .
        1. GSH-18
          GSH-18 30 November 2016 23: 11
          0
          Quote: igor67
          I must ask, what kind of crap is this stronghold?

          Damn, squeaks like that trachtur through the mud lol It can be seen that it is empty, lightened up to an impossible presentation option. In short, T-80 skaklali mutilated, and now they are promoting with all their might request
          What kind of shushpanzer they did, it's hard to understand request certainly does not cause delight, at least.
  17. ltx777
    ltx777 30 November 2016 15: 40
    +4
    It is strange that Ukraine did not present a model of the empire's starship from "Star Wars" or "Millennium Falcon", otherwise it would have been a sensation too ......)))
  18. Sasha_Sar
    Sasha_Sar 30 November 2016 15: 42
    +6
    In my opinion, "Ukrainians" confused the exhibition of weapons with an exhibition of toys. And we can wish India an early resolution of all its territorial disputes with Pakistan.
  19. Normal ok
    Normal ok 30 November 2016 15: 42
    +4
    The officers of the Pakistani Defense Ministry forgot to read the comments on VO, so the sick ones do not know that the "Oplot" is a bad tank.
    1. Smog
      Smog 30 November 2016 15: 47
      +8
      Yes, the tank may not be bad.
      Here is the country-producer let us down. Reputation, you know, soaked, a little, in some places.
      1. Orionvit
        Orionvit 30 November 2016 19: 32
        +3
        Yes, the tank may not be bad.
        Where can he be good? For 25 years, no research has been carried out in Ukraine, no money has been invested in the development of new technologies, armor alloys of composite materials, and everything else. The barrel for a cannon cannot be made normal, and so it is in everything. And you say not bad. They just slightly upgraded the T-64 and T-80, and issued it as a new tank in quality as "Zaporozhets".
    2. ultra
      ultra 30 November 2016 15: 52
      +2
      It can be a good tank, but here Ukraine is a worthless supplier.
    3. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 30 November 2016 16: 09
      +6
      Quote: Normal ok
      The officers of the Pakistani Defense Ministry forgot to read the comments on VO, so the sick ones do not know that the "Oplot" is a bad tank.

      They forgot to ask the Thais how long they should wait for their tanks. smile
      And they also forgot to ask the Iraqis - what is it, the real Ukrainian quality. Because the reserves of the Soviet T-80 corps and 125-mm guns are not endless. And what is a "Ukrainian welding body" or a "Ukrainian-made gun" the Iraqis know well - all parties had problems with new 30-mm guns made in Ukraine on the armored personnel carriers supplied by Ukraine.
      The frequency response, on the reference model of the armored personnel carrier presented by the Ukrainians before signing the contact, stood the Soviet gun serving as a model for copying - and worked like a clock.
  20. Proton
    Proton 30 November 2016 15: 43
    +2
    E my, what is this prespapie with a spoon? laughing
    1. nnm
      nnm 30 November 2016 15: 45
      +1
      Tse peremoga independent!
  21. Fitter65
    Fitter65 30 November 2016 15: 45
    +6
    It's a cool thing, it's just super. Damn it’s a pity that I quit working at 1:35 am. But I would have been a wonderful model on the shelf. By the way, there are very good model firms in Ukraine, they would give them a model for the sample, they would have it in plastic in a million copies. On the one hand, there is advertising all over the world, and a percentage of taxes on sales to the treasury.
    1. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 30 November 2016 16: 19
      +4
      Quote: Fitter65
      Cool thing, just super
      Well, it's definitely not a "thirty-fifth" scale, plus the model is slightly crooked. Itself "saw" in a more "budgetary" 1:72.
      Quote: Fitter65
      By the way, in Ukraine there are not very bad model firms
      Yes, firms, maybe not bad, but the quality reviews are not very good (casting, size, curvature, etc.) Previously, they won at the expense of the price, but now they have risen at a price almost equal to the "monsters". It is worth trying, of course, to see for yourself or to refute it. PS The "original" (prototype) is not even discussed.
      1. Fitter65
        Fitter65 30 November 2016 16: 37
        +1
        Well, I really only encountered aviation from ICM at 1:48 ... The truth was Ural-4320 from them ... It seems like it was not bad.
    2. Orionvit
      Orionvit 1 December 2016 16: 27
      0
      Well I do not know. My friend is fond of tank models, so he prefers Russian firms. From the Ukrainian, then you have to make many details yourself. And the prices bite, now in Ukraine it’s definitely not up to the models, even if it feeds.
  22. ultra
    ultra 30 November 2016 15: 47
    +7
    The materials on the site are getting "more interesting and interesting" !!!! The next one will be about the most beautiful drawings! lol lol
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 30 November 2016 16: 29
      +5
      Quote: ultra
      The materials on the site are getting "more interesting and interesting" !!!! The next one will be about the most beautiful drawings!

      Or about the biggest: laughing
      The largest working drawing of the Mayak T 3.0 rocket is registered by specialists of the National Book of Records of Ukraine. Its area is 10 square meters, it is twice the current record to date. 30 designers of Yuzhnoye Design Bureau named after Yangel took part in the creation of the drawing. A special moment for young specialists was that the drawing was signed “into work” by the legendary Alexander Degtyarev - General Designer - General Director of CB Yuzhnoye in 2010-2016. Earlier, Alexander Degtyarev was illegally fired by the government-controlled leadership of the National Space Agency.
  23. nnm
    nnm 30 November 2016 15: 48
    +4
    Rate that on nenkosayte now found !!!! So they, it turns out, everywhere carry some kind of mock-ups - even at NATO headquarters!

    http://economics.unian.net/industry/1652876-ukrai
    na-vpervyie-v-istorii-predlagaet-soyuznikam-novey
    shee-orujie-i-tehniku-v-shtab-kvartire-nato-foto.
    html
  24. Wedmak
    Wedmak 30 November 2016 15: 49
    +2
    No, well, if Pakistan buys a couple of hundred of these models, then yes, the situation will change radically. ))) Ukraine cannot provide for its own, but it’s already creeping into the international market somewhere.
  25. uskrabut
    uskrabut 30 November 2016 15: 51
    +3
    "representatives of the military departments of Asian and North African countries were also interested in Ukrainian vehicles at the exhibition"
    toy manufacturers and WT developers laughing
    1. CT-55_11-9009
      CT-55_11-9009 30 November 2016 16: 07
      +2
      No-no-no, in WT we don’t need this !!! Let WoT stuffed, they do not mind!
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 30 November 2016 16: 31
        +3
        Quote: CT-55_11-9009
        No-no-no, in WT we don’t need this !!! Let WoT stuffed, they do not mind!

        Nafig nafig. There is still a Swedish tank destroyer to survive ... laughing
        1. KaPToC
          KaPToC 30 November 2016 20: 34
          0
          Quote: Alexey RA
          Nafig nafig. There is still a Swedish tank destroyer to survive ...

          We didn't, I haven't played for a week, "I cried.
          1. CT-55_11-9009
            CT-55_11-9009 30 November 2016 22: 09
            +1
            And what, Strv 103 stuffed? Figase ...
            1. KaPToC
              KaPToC 30 November 2016 22: 11
              0
              Quote: CT-55_11-9009
              And what, Strv 103 stuffed? Figase ...

              Hardcore and only hardcore ...
  26. swan
    swan 30 November 2016 15: 52
    +10
    Why does everyone react this way to appearance? Any schoolchild can draw a "beautiful" tank (in fact, the Internet is littered with these wunderwaves). Any student can come up with a successful layout.
    The latter, although it matters, but the quality of the tank and its combat power determine completely different things.
    In the end, everyone can "redraw" and "copy" a successful tank.
    Scientists and engineers do not fight at all over where to shove something (although this too).
    The main problems lie in the plane of physics, chemistry, electronics and the establishment of those processes.
    Here is a banal detail - the barrel. Pipe and pipe. But making a good barrel ... it takes an incredible amount of effort and research. Otherwise, it overheats, deforms and loses accuracy (especially "high-quality" samples may become completely unusable after a couple of shots).
    Again, more durable alloys will make it possible to give more pressure of powder gases to this barrel (more to swing out) and the projectile will fly more precisely and further.
    Armor materials can be very different. With varying degrees of strength at different weights.
    High-quality welding is important (it can be very complicated), cutting (dimensional accuracy is also very important, and an accuracy of 0.1mm or 0.01mm (and then in order) can be very, very different in technology!).
    Of great importance is the quality of optics, electronics, communications. With this, however, everything is not going smoothly with us ... Although, by and large, everyone has it.
    Reliability of engines, gearboxes, suspensions. (which again consists of the quality of materials, the level of technology and compliance with the technical process).
    Those. to make a good tank you need hundreds of factories, research institutes and universities.
    I doubt something that Ukraine has made great advances in science and technology ... In the best case, it was possible to preserve the Soviet.
    At the same time, they have clearly forgotten how to observe the technologies and processes. And the constant scandals with the fact that their equipment breaks down and, in the literal sense, is bursting at the seams - only more and more convinces of this.
    So it makes no difference what they draw and make out of plastic. From a reliable fighting vehicle with outstanding performance characteristics - a precipice separates them.
  27. Maks-80
    Maks-80 30 November 2016 15: 53
    +5
    Exhibition of young modelers.
  28. Weniamin
    Weniamin 30 November 2016 15: 58
    +4
    Well, just like a word, children. Well, they don’t understand that they are bred. Ukro-cheaters will sell them a batch of layouts and be happy.
  29. nnm
    nnm 30 November 2016 15: 59
    +4
    But on 404 "new" tanks appear naturally !!!
  30. nnm
    nnm 30 November 2016 16: 01
    +4
    Here are the stealth technologies that will be applied !!!!
  31. nnm
    nnm 30 November 2016 16: 02
    +6
    Everyone saw the layout ... but the real execution ... (after assembly, process with a file)
    1. KaPToC
      KaPToC 30 November 2016 20: 34
      0
      Quote: nnm
      file after assembly

      Normal is such a ... zombimobile.
  32. RASKAT
    RASKAT 30 November 2016 16: 04
    +4
    Thailand has already tried to buy, it did not seem to work out very well.
  33. iskander491
    iskander491 30 November 2016 16: 05
    +4
    Quote: vovanpain
    ), the Ukrainian exposition attracted special attention of visitors and participants of the salon, in particular, the model of the promising Oplot-M tank

    Well, yes, yes, Pakistan will order a hundred different layouts.

    They will order real ones, but get plywood! And when they make a complaint, the answer will be, because we showed you the layout and we also did just the layout.
  34. ZuuT
    ZuuT 30 November 2016 16: 05
    +1
    from the layout to the real, especially Ukrainian, it may take years ... Maybe everyone became interested because it would be possible to replenish the collection of toy soldiers
  35. Brown
    Brown 30 November 2016 16: 07
    +1
    Guys, who is the author of this article?
    1. nnm
      nnm 30 November 2016 16: 09
      +3
      I don’t know who he is, but he’s a comedian!
    2. ser65
      ser65 30 November 2016 17: 19
      +2
      "War informant" is a typical ukroizdeliye ...
  36. sanja.grw
    sanja.grw 30 November 2016 16: 09
    +4
    They accidentally ordered a model on Ali Express
  37. Brigadier
    Brigadier 30 November 2016 16: 09
    +4
    Ukrainians can’t do tanks, but they’ve already learned how to glue models ...
    Now, the layout of the tank is ready ...
    Soon we should expect a model of an ukro-fighter, and there it’s a stone's throw to the layout of an ukro-spaceship ...
    How is it sung, if you slightly alter the song - "Layouts, layouts, only layouts around" laughing
  38. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 30 November 2016 16: 13
    +1
    Yeah, Pakistan hasn’t yet understood who it’s contacting .... well, let's see how things go further except for toy models ... laughing
  39. nnm
    nnm 30 November 2016 16: 13
    +2
    No, well, for such a thing, asking for a new tranche of the IMF is a holy thing !!!
  40. Alex20042004
    Alex20042004 30 November 2016 16: 15
    +1
    And a model of a submarine, such as "Zaporozhets"!
  41. Engineer
    Engineer 30 November 2016 16: 16
    +3
    Oh and meager, you can see the exhibition, if the model placed on the palm of your hand becomes a sensation of the exhibition.
  42. kos2cool4u
    kos2cool4u 30 November 2016 16: 18
    +2
    I can’t laugh, already under the table with laughter. Ukraine-tanks-Iran, it’s better to send me the money, it’s just not lost)))))
  43. shosha
    shosha 30 November 2016 16: 23
    +2
    The Ministry of Defense of Pakistan probably doesn’t know how the Ukrainians Thailand and the Bastions threw ...
  44. Ushly_bashkort
    Ushly_bashkort 30 November 2016 16: 23
    +5
    Well, judging by the latest trend, only a batch of mock-ups on a scale of M 1: 1 will be able to buy packs, and even then not in full. The Iraqis and Thais will not let you lie.
  45. Leonid Har
    Leonid Har 30 November 2016 16: 25
    +2
    Let the Pakistani hryvnia translate and start waiting for their tanks. Maybe in 10-15 years the first 5 tanks will wait. The Ukrainian tank industry has not yet settled with Thailand. In India, by that time, the Armat battalion would already be on the border with Pakistan.
  46. MATROSKIN-53
    MATROSKIN-53 30 November 2016 16: 30
    0
    I doubt however ...
  47. Ronino
    Ronino 30 November 2016 16: 31
    +1
    Glue mock-ups. You don’t pour metal!
  48. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 30 November 2016 16: 31
    +2
    Since 2009, it’s time it’s not the layouts, but the real Bastions-M to carry to exhibitions. Of course, I understand that the direction of one Stronghold out of 10 in the Armed Forces of Ukraine will greatly undermine the defense capability of Ukraine. laughing And there is a risk that Thailand will appear and arrest this Bastion at the expense of the underserved. laughing
  49. 3vs
    3vs 30 November 2016 16: 32
    +1
    Well, you can wind up a lot on the layout, what will happen in a real toy ?! bully
  50. Editor
    Editor 30 November 2016 16: 34
    +2
    exhibition of scale model lovers from the international toy exhibition