Media: the layout of the Ukrainian "Oplota" became a sensation at an exhibition in Pakistan

At the international exhibition IDEAS-2016, held in November in the city of Karachi (Pakistan), the Ukrainian exhibition attracted special attention of visitors and participants of the salon, in particular, a model of a promising tank Oplot-M, reports Military Informant with reference to the Pakistani media.

“The model of the modernized Ukrainian tank aroused genuine interest from both the top military leadership of Pakistan and a number of foreign delegations. The appearance of the model of the most modern Ukrainian tank was the reason for talking about the possible acquisition of a batch of tanks in the interests of the armed forces of Pakistan, which had previously conducted evaluation tests of the new Ukrainian design, ”the material says.

It is noted that the possible acquisition of "Oplotov" will be a direct response to the Indian Armed Forces, armed with Russian T-90 tanks and planning to purchase an additional batch of these vehicles.

Pakistan’s purchase of Oplot-M tanks “can significantly change the situation in the region,” the article notes.

It is reported that representatives of the military departments of Asia and North Africa also became interested in the Ukrainian cars at the exhibition.

Comments

[oleg-gr]

The layout is, of course, beautiful. I wonder what will appear in the gland and when. Porosenko has long promised to sell to everyone in the world "the most modern tank" that others will envy.

[vovanpain]

The Ukrainian exposition attracted special attention of visitors and participants of the salon, in particular, the model of the promising Oplot-M tank

Well, yes, yes, Pakistan and will order hundreds of other layouts.

[Dr. Barmaley]

Well, yes, yes, Pakistan will order a hundred different layouts.

Paying mock money.

[Now we are free]

The next sensation will be made by the "Space program of the former Ukraine", where it will be presented in the form of a visual layout non-working toilet from YuzhMash ...

[Thrall]

I remembered an old joke about two businessmen:
- Buy a car of sugar.
- I take it.
One went to look for sugar, the other to look for money ...

[cniza]

And they will fight with mock-ups, who passes this information and for what purpose? We’ll discuss a normal product, maybe we’ll even rejoice, our school, and so on ... while it’s fun and nothing more.

[Monos]

Quote: cniza

They will make a normal product.

They won’t do it. Where will they get engines and gun barrels? The reserves of Soviet heritage are not endless.

[BecmepH]

Where will they get the engines

At one time in Ukraine, the T-80 was modernized by installing a diesel engine on them. And the tank turned out better than ours. Another thing is that at this time they (Ukraine) are not capable of anything.

[kotvov]

This boar told you which is better?

[Berkut24]

Which is better than ours? The entire T-80 cimus was in a turbine, which in cold weather ran faster than a diesel engine and allowed to develop crazy speed. But with the armor, the t-80 was worse than the counterparts. So to put diesel on the T-80 - only spoil the car. All benefits are lost.

[Shishiga]

But with the armor, the t-80 was worse than the counterparts.

And be so kind as a little more in detail the armor was worse, hehe, than with which brothers. List these brothers - pliz.

[Berkut24]

In Chechnya:
The loading mechanism "Basket" of the T-80 tanks had a fatal design flaw. Ready-made warheads were placed vertically, only partially protected by road wheels. A hit from an RPG from the side and above them, led to the decapitation of the tank, due to the detonation of the ammunition. In this regard, the T-72A and T-72B had a higher likelihood of survival after flanking attacks - due to the storage of ammunition horizontally, below the rims of the road wheels.
In general, here, maybe, the difference is not quite in the reservation, the T-72 also did not burn slightly, but the T-72 chassis still better covered the side. Nevertheless, it must be admitted that the T-80 was noticeably more expensive than the 72s, but according to the results of the battles it did not show the best defense. Probably, for this reason, UVZ continued to develop the 72nd rather than the 80th. and it’s not even that the 72nd was originally born in the Urals. In the 82nd year I saw the T-80 for the first time at the Izhora plant, there is nothing in it so that UVZ according to the available documentation from St. Petersburg could not reproduce it. Just the 72nd at its price was more suitable for modernization.

[Lee_Mubai]

And what fuel did the T-80 use? before modernization in Ukraine?

[Shishiga]

Could and on a solarium, but not very long. Before modernization.

[Incvizitor]

Well, before there were such layouts:
Ukrainian tank building is taking leaps and bounds

[oborzevatel]

Quote: Dr. Barmaley

Well, yes, yes, Pakistan will order a hundred different layouts.

Paying mock money.

Models of aircraft have not yet been offered?

[Stas Snezhin]

Models of aircraft have not yet been offered?

Everything is much more serious with them, they don’t deal with trifles.
Preparing a model of an armored Saturnolet
and the layout of the "Photon Mars Gnaw" ..
By the way, absolutely impenetrable from the layouts of any weapon!

[Titsen]

Quote: vovanpain

Pakistan and order a hundred different layouts.

And the PESHAN will fight - in a TANK!

[bald]

It would be necessary for Ukraine to take more equipment with it.

[PAM]

two days ago, I read this article on a military informant, I thought about it. Dill is writing praising your tank, and now this nonsense has been posted here.

[210ox]

"Beautiful" .. Even the chipboard board was not torn off ..

Quote: oleg-gr

The layout is, of course, beautiful. I wonder what will appear in the gland and when. Porosenko has long promised to sell to everyone in the world "the most modern tank" that others will envy.

[Serg koma]

In order.
1. The author of the article "Military informant" (see link) does not use the word "layout"(in the title), the phrase"with reference to Pakistani media"
REPRINTING AN ARTICLE - IT'S NOT WORTH BECOMING A "CO-AUTHOR""
2. Original article 28.11.2016/30.11.2016/2016 (today is already 22/11/2016), and the exhibition is IDEAS 25. Event type: Exhibition. Dates: from 11/2016/XNUMX to XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX
And this is "NEWS"?
3. IMHO. This article is on the VO website (right here) is provocative in nature, the author, or rather, the co-author is trying to provoke negative reviews about the country's defense 404
There is NO objective data, except for the general words "interest" and "conversations" in the article.

[meriem1]

What is more objective ??? The layout is not a tank in iron. Not run-in and not tested for vulnerability .. And where does the number ???? So you can get to the bottom of the pillar! Which usually do comrades who have no arguments!

[78bor1973]

Even this model is just a modernization of the previous tank, it’s not able to offer anything essentially new Ukrainians, even to revive the old scrap!

[Archon]

the site administration should follow this. Without control, you can turn the site into yy.

[Urfin]

Apparently an exhibition of modelers, designers))).
If you look closely, the gunner has triplexes, but of them he does not see anything at all)) why are they?)

[jjj]

People apparently forgot about the quality of Ukrainian metal, the quality of the Ukrainian assembly and the traditional Ukrainian scam

[Giant thought]

And when these mock-ups of military equipment became the sensation of the exhibition, it may be in the inflamed consciousness of Ukrainian journalists.

[cap]

Quote: Giant thought

And when these mock-ups of military equipment became the sensation of the exhibition, it may be in the inflamed consciousness of Ukrainian journalists.

For example, I appreciated the humor of journalists.
The fact that the TANK presented for sale is just a LAYOUT is a SENSATION.

[The stranger]

A sighting system on the roof, covers 90 degrees of anti-aircraft machine gun fire.

[Vladimirets]

Quote: Urfin

Apparently an exhibition of model designers

Ours also often drag models to exhibitions. Wasn’t our colleague Kars collecting a model?

[Albert1988]

Quote: Vladimirets

Wasn’t our colleague Kars collecting a model?

Do not offend Kars - he is an avid modeler - I would have collected an order of magnitude better (I’m sure that even from scratch), and here it is - a whip in the elementary school circle ...

[GSH-18]

layout Ukrainian "Bastion" became a sensation at an exhibition in Pakistan

Buyers want a layout. Himself "stronghold" and they do not need a gift!
Skakly are still those mock master cases!

[oborzevatel]

Quote: GSH-18

layout Ukrainian "Bastion" became a sensation at an exhibition in Pakistan

Buyers want a layout. Himself "stronghold" and they do not need a gift!
Skakly are still those mock master cases!

Aha

[notingem]

Probably a field kitchen. I like

[Gemini]

Is it an armored field kitchen?

[AlexVas44]

Kitchen, but with the possibility of self-defense. So that porridge is so easy not to take !!!

[Lord of the Sith]

Pakistan’s purchase of Oplot-M tanks “can significantly change the situation in the region,” the article notes.

She can only change the situation in the bank accounts of the Ministry of Defense of Pakistan. I hope they pay in advance and wait for the weather from the sea.

[Lynch]

Pakistan’s purchase of Oplot-M tanks “can significantly change the situation in the region,” the article notes.

They will not really change, only stronger in favor of India.

[Pasha]

It is Uninhabited, Supersonic, StealthTank, on Jet Propulsion, with a depth of immersion of 5000 meters.
Moreover, it was made contrary to the Russian Federation. And it was tested in battle on the moon, where the Ukrainian base.
But all this is very SECRET.

[cap]

Quote: Pasha

It is Uninhabited, Supersonic, StealthTank, on Jet Propulsion, with a depth of immersion of 5000 meters.
Moreover, it was made contrary to the Russian Federation. And it was tested in battle on the moon, where the Ukrainian base.
But all this is very SECRET.

The Americans lease a Ukrainian base on the moon. Tests were conducted on Mars near the pyramids, where Ukrainian special forces are training.

[GSH-18]

The appearance of the model of the most modern Ukrainian tank became the reason for discussions on the topic of the possible acquisition of a batch of tanks in the interests of the armed forces of Pakistan, which had previously conducted evaluative tests of the new Ukrainian development, ”the material says.

Yes, everything is simple. Pakistan has the loot on normal T-90 Nem, the year for hemp was lean! So they "look closely" to the dill.

[Orionvit]

On occasion, Pakistan will also find Bablos on the Russians, but only Pakistan, this is traditionally the patrimony of the United States. The owner did not order to buy from Russia. But on American tanks, they definitely don’t have enough bucks. I don’t understand what the Pakistanis think. To negotiate about such high-tech equipment as tanks, with a country with a completely destroyed economy like Ukraine.

[GSH-18]

Quote: Orionvit

On occasion, Pakistan will also find Bablos in Russian

And who will sell them to them then? We supply T-90 India, Pakistan in flight
Well, only if they buy where the thread is ... And yes, they definitely don’t have enough bablos for Abrams.

[Olegovi4]

packs have long been tightly tied with teas. Airplanes do. Azerbaijan is going to kind of take fighters), the fleet too. I think the tanks will be from there. China today has a lot to offer.

[GSH-18]

Quote: Olegovi4

China today has a lot to offer.

So this situeshin is already a long time ago ... it started with Chinese down jackets !
In which chicken feathers for the second winter season themselves gathered in the ass area
Since then, Chinese quality has not undergone any changes.

[Albert1988]

Quote: Olegovi4

packs have long been tightly tied with teas.

So the thought came to me - maybe the Chinese want to buy a stronghold through the packs? They just need a couple of instances to analyze and copy ...
Although it is unlikely - I'm sure they already know everything about this unit - the Ukrainians must have already sold all the documentation to them ...

[Crimean partisan 1974]

what is there to sell, the packs scream that they sold the 404th 80s with engines 5DT-complete bullshit, they need urgent compensation, but the 404th neither 5 DTs have 6 DTs, for forum users, the 5DT push-pull engine is a two-stroke engine reverse oppositki, very computerctn. BUT a resource of 200 hours, they say that 6TD has a resource of 1000 hours !!!, this is rather from the realm of fiction

[Kent0001]

There will be nothing but a layout or a maximum of a creeping case.

[NEXUS]

Quote: oleg-gr

The layout, of course, is beautiful. It is curious what will appear in the gland and when.

He is already in the gland ...

Another question is whether Ukrainians are able to fulfill the order for the delivery of these tanks to the customer on time and in proper quality.

Quote: oleg-gr

Porosenko has long promised to sell to everyone in the world "the most modern tank" that others will envy.

Apparently he was talking about Tirex ..

I just think there will be neither one nor the other ... Ukraine is not even able to fulfill its obligations to supply tanks to Indonesia and Thailand.

[spech]

Damn enough to make fakes or give a source

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: oleg-gr

The layout is, of course, beautiful. I wonder what will appear in the gland and when. Porosenko has long promised to sell to everyone in the world "the most modern tank" that others will envy.

Pakistan, being bad with India, is moving closer to China. That's where he will take tanks, cheaply and without a headache. Ukrov has an old song: "Pay for development, come back in 4 years. We offer to forgive 50 tanks, I remembered" to restructure! "

[Uncle Murzik]

article bullshit! what could be the interest in the layout?

[Semen Semyonitch]

Quote: oleg-gr

The layout, of course, is beautiful

Externally, tuning the T-72 ... What is there in electronics ???

[nnm]

At a mock toy exhibition?

[Terminolol]

I think our designers and not so slush if desired. But in the metal ... It's like a concept car - we want, we strive, but not the fact that it will turn out.
Well, they drove a little ... but whether they will do it, whether they will deliver it ... with the quality that is claimed.

[nnm]

Excuse me, but there was a version of the mega supertank "Azovets" .. well, the one that looks like a trash can, has it already been forgotten?

[210ox]

Some gopniks stole him, or took him away .. Probably Putin’s agents

[nnm]

Take it higher ..... DARKEST yourself !!!

[GSH-18]

Quote: nnm

Excuse me, but there was a version of the mega supertank "Azovets" .. well, the one that looks like a trash can, has it already been forgotten?

Nah, they still couldn’t find him among Ukrainian garbage cans, the infection is masked!

[ser65]

so his aunts were stolen ....

[nnm]

It’s not clear what attracted attention there ... coloring, I guess. Something is not given on TTX data

[Sagittarius]

If the Pakistanis contact Ukraine with the order of these tanks. then it will be their big mistake, they will earn themselves only a headache.

[Not served]

The interest is rather caused not by the layout itself, but by the financial conditions for cutting the budget for these tanks. Here Ukraine is equal in the whole world is difficult to find.
Therefore, some officials from Pakistan work and maybe even quite well.

[GSH-18]

Quote: nnm

It’s not clear what attracted attention there ... coloring, I guess. Something is not given on TTX data

They are given orally by the treblers from ukroboronexport, so that later, if there is no evidence And it was possible to steer without problems!

[Alf]

Quote: nnm

Something is not given on TTX data

So it’s secret.

[igorspb]

I really want it, I just wish the packs to work with the "neighbors" .... gain invaluable experience ....

[nnm]

It is only difficult for Pakistani models to gain "experience" with Russian T90s

[Normal ok]

Quote: igorspb

I really want it, I just wish the packs to work with the "neighbors" .... gain invaluable experience ....

So they have been working for a long time. Since the 90-s, the tank fleet of Pakistan has been equipped with Ukrainian Т80ud (320pcs). And, which is characteristic, they don’t complain.

[alexej123]

Maybe not Ukrainian, but Soviet? Ukraine developed its own tank?

[svp67]

Quote: Normal ok

Since the 90s, the tank fleet of Pakistan has been equipped with Ukrainian T80ud (320pcs). And, which is characteristic, they don’t complain.

Actually, the T-80ud is a SOVIET development, this time. Two, the Pakistanis didn’t have much to complain about, for that money it was the best choice, the T-80UD was bought at 40% lower, at a price that Russia offered its T-90. Nevertheless, there are complaints, they are mainly associated with a VERY low survivability of the barrels of tank guns made in Ukraine
Yes, and there are claims to the MTO. It’s like this to drive — kill the engine in advance, but apparently it’s impossible to keep the temperature within acceptable limits, and it’s not possible to twist the tower ...

I think that just the price of Ukrainian engines is so low that they can be changed almost every month ...

[Orionvit]

Because these 320 pieces, still Soviet assembly.

[GSH-18]

Quote: Orionvit

Because these 320 pieces, still Soviet assembly.

That's it! And what are they then Ukrainian ??? But the guns on them are definitely Ukrainian, Soviet, then they developed their own resource in the Soviet Union under the USSR Xenovye guns in Ukraine Just like their "newest" mortars Bullet on their own

[Banishing liberoids]

They haven’t even seen the layout of ukroins - they’re even more astonishing there — how people can quickly degenerate.

[Mountain shooter]

Glued from plywood? They can still work out of plywood. And where will they take the armor steel? In Poland? And the barrels of the guns? They even have nowhere to make machine gun barrels and nothing. And in the article there are no links - who is the author? Where did he get the "sensation". What media?

[svp67]

Pakistan’s purchase of Oplot-M tanks “can significantly change the situation in the region,” the article notes.

In the matter of choosing which tank to buy, I think that Pakistan will come to the same conclusion as Thailand, that is, buy Chinese, so it will be more true ...

[GSH-18]

Quote: svp67

In the matter of choosing which tank to buy, I think that Pakistan will come to the same conclusion as Thailand, that is, buy Chinese, so it will be more true ...

Well, yes, according to the degree of xrenovity, the Chinese tank goes slightly higher than Bender. By the fact that all these are copies of Russian or Soviet tanks

[Banishing liberoids]

That's just the Indians bought real tanks and were not fond of science fiction.

[Orionvit]

That's just the Indians bought real tanks and were not fond of science fiction.

And now, looking at their (Russian) T-90s, neighing with the Pakistanis.

[GSH-18]

Quote: Orionvit

That's just the Indians bought real tanks and were not fond of science fiction.

And now, looking at their (Russian) T-90s, neighing with the Pakistanis.

Along the way, it is. Hindus well done, they are doing everything right. They increase cooperation with the Russian Federation and increase the degree of localization of the production of tank warheads and shells under licenses on their territory. So it will soon be possible to say that the T-90 is also the Indian MBT.

[GSH-18]

Quote: Expelling Liberoids

That's just the Indians bought real tanks and were not fond of science fiction.

That’s why they will kick the back of the Pakistanis on occasion, without any nuclear weapons

[Maz]

Nekhai will buy, as if the Indians then pile them

[Mikado]

I think it’s necessary to be completely stupid to order production equipment against the background of scandals about Thailand’s shortfall in tanks and low-quality armored personnel carriers delivered to Iraq independent Ukraine. The equipment produced in the USSR does not count; they armed half of Africa with it in the 90-2000s.
"The main reason for breaking the contract with Thailand is the inability of KhZTM to produce more than 5 of these machines a year." I wonder who they will be arming at such a rate. If only Estonia or the island of Malta.
The result is that one of the Svidomo ukropatriots wrote a bravura stuffing, our administration reassigned it to VO.

[uskrabut]

Quote: Mikado

they armed it in the 90-2000s half of Africa

And here it is, not half. They armed it all over Africa.

[Mikado]

and so rearmament that they left nothing to themselves, and the money went into someone’s pockets. Therefore .. since 2014, the BM-37 mortar of the 37th model was again adopted for service, and in 2015 the battery was adopted for service .. attention .. B-4 howitzers! (here is a link to the same bravura article in Ukrainian http://wartime.org.ua/22348-na-ozbroyennya-28-omb
r-nadyshla-batareya-203-mm-garmat-b-4-zrazka-1931
-roku.html)

[Olegovi4]

and the mortar is good. by VUS the commander of this unit.

[Mikado]

clear that good another question is that old. There is nothing new (either sold, or stolen, or broken), they drag to the front what is the place in the museum.

and ammunition for him, probably, come from more modern mortars? is the caliber the same?

[bk316]

in 2015 the battery was adopted for service .. attention .. howitzers B-4!

C'mon, I don't believe it. I’m probably the last one to see them live. And where can I get ammunition of this caliber?

[Orionvit]

The result is that one of the Svidomo ukropatriots wrote a bravura stuffing, our administration reassigned it to VO.

Then you need to open a humor page on VO, and then most of the news from Ukraine will fall into the "humor" section.

[Mikado]

I don’t even know .. it would be funny if it weren’t so disgusting .. and for three years already .. a circus of madmen .. It's like they said about Pol Pot that his regime resembles - "What would happen if the children took over the school ". Pretty much the same.

[Orionvit]

The difference between Ukraine and Pol Pot is that Ukraine is patronized by the world's leading powers, and this is really tragic. And Ukraine, with all the chaos that is happening, has not yet sunk to the horror of the Khmer Rouge.

[Mikado]

the fact of the matter is that "yet." If Bandera's fans wake up with more imagination, they will slide down so that Pol Pot will envy them. The behavior of punitive forces in Donbass, torture of prisoners, the "Tornado" contingent is a living example of this. And the deeds of 70 years ago should not be forgotten.

[Smog]

First, let Thais consult about the execution of contracts by the Ukrainians

On September 1, 2011, a contract was signed for the sale of Oplot-M to foreign buyers - Ukrspetsexport and Thailand signed a contract worth $ 241 million for the manufacture and supply of 54 tanks [59] with the subsequent expansion of the contract, as the purchase volume was planned at the level of 200 tanks of this class. [60] In the modification for the Thai army, in comparison with the standard version, some changes were made to the internal equipment, communication equipment and headsets, an air conditioner was installed for the comfortable operation of tankers in a tropical climate [61].

On June 26, 2013 the first manufactured tank was presented [62]. On November 5, 2013, the first batch of 5 tanks was handed over to the Thai army in Kharkov [63] [64] In December 2015, it became known that since there were not any Strongholds in 2015 [58], the Government of Ukraine requested a transfer of the contract to 2016 year [65].

On February 9, 2016, representatives of the Thai Ministry of Defense confirmed a previously denied leak in the press that Thailand intends to terminate the contract for the purchase of Oplot tanks and is considering the purchase of the Chinese MBT3000 to replace it. The main reason for the termination of the contract is the inability of KhZTM to produce more than 5 of these machines per year. Thailand received only 50 of the 10 tanks ordered. [66] [67] On May 16, 2016, the authoritative agency Jane's announced that the Thai military had signed a contract for the purchase of the MBT-3000 tank. [68] Thai media reported that the Thai Ministry of Defense intends to receive 50 tanks from Ukraine within the previously paid advance, and the order for the 150 remaining tanks will go to China. At the moment, the Government of Thailand does not intend to demand the return of the advance due to the disruption of supplies. [60] According to the publication Interfax Ukraine, in May 2016, Ukraine provided the delivery to Thailand of the third batch of new main battle tanks (MBT) "Oplot" consisting of 10 machines. Thus, the total number of tanks "Oplot" in the Thai army was brought to 20 units. [69] Another batch of tanks "Oplot" in the amount of five vehicles arrived in Thailand in mid-November 2016. [70]

Pakistan you say. Oh well. Wait for them before the carrotkin

[Alexey RA]

Heh heh heh ... pomnitsa, when Malyshevtsev was tortured according to the terms of delivery of "Oplot" under the Thai contract (which has already been completed for 2 years), then all that was received in response:

Now work on it is going on as usual, as well as on other foreign orders

©

[BOB044]

Media: the layout of the Ukrainian "Oplota" became a sensation at an exhibition in Pakistan

As in the Volga Volga film, this is a good steamer, only he is afraid of water.

[mamont5]

Pakistan's purchase of the Oplot-M tanks “could significantly change the situation in the region,” the article says.

And what will they buy? Models? Since there is nothing else from dill and never will be. They made those "strongholds" of 10 pieces for all the years, while there were still guns, but now ...

[Smoked]

I immediately thought that this was an answer to the Indians with the T-90, but the choice of the Bastion was obviously a problem.

[uskrabut]

Ukrainians seem to be selling their strongholds in Thailand, here the Pakistanis should be asked from the Thais what kind of crap is this stronghold?

[igor67]

Quote: uskrabut

Ukrainians seem to be selling their strongholds in Thailand, here the Pakistanis should be asked from the Thais what kind of crap is this stronghold?

.

[GSH-18]

Quote: igor67

I must ask, what kind of crap is this stronghold?

Damn, squeaks like that trachtur through the mud It can be seen that it is empty, lightened up to an impossible presentation option. In short, T-80 skaklali mutilated, and now they are promoting with all their might
What kind of shushpanzer they did, it's hard to understand certainly does not cause delight, at least.

[ltx777]

It is strange that Ukraine did not present a model of the empire's starship from "Star Wars" or "Millennium Falcon", otherwise it would have been a sensation too ......)))

[Sasha_Sar]

In my opinion, "Ukrainians" confused the exhibition of weapons with an exhibition of toys. And we can wish India an early resolution of all its territorial disputes with Pakistan.

[Normal ok]

The officers of the Pakistani Defense Ministry forgot to read the comments on VO, so the sick ones do not know that the "Oplot" is a bad tank.

[Smog]

Yes, the tank may not be bad.
Here is the country-producer let us down. Reputation, you know, soaked, a little, in some places.

[Orionvit]

Yes, the tank may not be bad.

Where can he be good? For 25 years, no research has been carried out in Ukraine, no money has been invested in the development of new technologies, armor alloys of composite materials, and everything else. The barrel for a cannon cannot be made normal, and so it is in everything. And you say not bad. They just slightly upgraded the T-64 and T-80, and issued it as a new tank in quality as "Zaporozhets".

[ultra]

It can be a good tank, but here Ukraine is a worthless supplier.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Normal ok

The officers of the Pakistani Defense Ministry forgot to read the comments on VO, so the sick ones do not know that the "Oplot" is a bad tank.

They forgot to ask the Thais how long they should wait for their tanks.
And they also forgot to ask the Iraqis - what is it, the real Ukrainian quality. Because the reserves of the Soviet T-80 corps and 125-mm guns are not endless. And what is a "Ukrainian welding body" or a "Ukrainian-made gun" the Iraqis know well - all parties had problems with new 30-mm guns made in Ukraine on the armored personnel carriers supplied by Ukraine.
The frequency response, on the reference model of the armored personnel carrier presented by the Ukrainians before signing the contact, stood the Soviet gun serving as a model for copying - and worked like a clock.

[Proton]

E my, what is this prespapie with a spoon?

[nnm]

Tse peremoga independent!

[Fitter65]

It's a cool thing, it's just super. Damn it’s a pity that I quit working at 1:35 am. But I would have been a wonderful model on the shelf. By the way, there are very good model firms in Ukraine, they would give them a model for the sample, they would have it in plastic in a million copies. On the one hand, there is advertising all over the world, and a percentage of taxes on sales to the treasury.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Fitter65

Cool thing, just super

Well, it's definitely not a "thirty-fifth" scale, plus the model is slightly crooked. Itself "saw" in a more "budgetary" 1:72.

Quote: Fitter65

By the way, in Ukraine there are not very bad model firms

Yes, firms, maybe not bad, but the quality reviews are not very good (casting, size, curvature, etc.) Previously, they won at the expense of the price, but now they have risen at a price almost equal to the "monsters". It is worth trying, of course, to see for yourself or to refute it. PS The "original" (prototype) is not even discussed.

[Fitter65]

Well, I really only encountered aviation from ICM at 1:48 ... The truth was Ural-4320 from them ... It seems like it was not bad.

[Orionvit]

Well I do not know. My friend is fond of tank models, so he prefers Russian firms. From the Ukrainian, then you have to make many details yourself. And the prices bite, now in Ukraine it’s definitely not up to the models, even if it feeds.

[ultra]

The materials on the site are getting "more interesting and interesting" !!!! The next one will be about the most beautiful drawings!

[Alexey RA]

Quote: ultra

The materials on the site are getting "more interesting and interesting" !!!! The next one will be about the most beautiful drawings!

Or about the biggest:

The largest working drawing of the Mayak T 3.0 rocket is registered by specialists of the National Book of Records of Ukraine. Its area is 10 square meters, it is twice the current record to date. 30 designers of Yuzhnoye Design Bureau named after Yangel took part in the creation of the drawing. A special moment for young specialists was that the drawing was signed “into work” by the legendary Alexander Degtyarev - General Designer - General Director of CB Yuzhnoye in 2010-2016. Earlier, Alexander Degtyarev was illegally fired by the government-controlled leadership of the National Space Agency.

[nnm]

Rate that on nenkosayte now found !!!! So they, it turns out, everywhere carry some kind of mock-ups - even at NATO headquarters!

http://economics.unian.net/industry/1652876-ukrai
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[Wedmak]

No, well, if Pakistan buys a couple of hundred of these models, then yes, the situation will change radically. ))) Ukraine cannot provide for its own, but it’s already creeping into the international market somewhere.

[uskrabut]

"representatives of the military departments of Asian and North African countries were also interested in Ukrainian vehicles at the exhibition"
toy manufacturers and WT developers

[CT-55_11-9009]

No-no-no, in WT we don’t need this !!! Let WoT stuffed, they do not mind!

[Alexey RA]

Quote: CT-55_11-9009

No-no-no, in WT we don’t need this !!! Let WoT stuffed, they do not mind!

Nafig nafig. There is still a Swedish tank destroyer to survive ...

[KaPToC]

Quote: Alexey RA

Nafig nafig. There is still a Swedish tank destroyer to survive ...

We didn't, I haven't played for a week, "I cried.

[CT-55_11-9009]

And what, Strv 103 stuffed? Figase ...

[KaPToC]

Quote: CT-55_11-9009

And what, Strv 103 stuffed? Figase ...

Hardcore and only hardcore ...

[swan]

Why does everyone react this way to appearance? Any schoolchild can draw a "beautiful" tank (in fact, the Internet is littered with these wunderwaves). Any student can come up with a successful layout.
The latter, although it matters, but the quality of the tank and its combat power determine completely different things.
In the end, everyone can "redraw" and "copy" a successful tank.
Scientists and engineers do not fight at all over where to shove something (although this too).
The main problems lie in the plane of physics, chemistry, electronics and the establishment of those processes.
Here is a banal detail - the barrel. Pipe and pipe. But making a good barrel ... it takes an incredible amount of effort and research. Otherwise, it overheats, deforms and loses accuracy (especially "high-quality" samples may become completely unusable after a couple of shots).
Again, more durable alloys will make it possible to give more pressure of powder gases to this barrel (more to swing out) and the projectile will fly more precisely and further.
Armor materials can be very different. With varying degrees of strength at different weights.
High-quality welding is important (it can be very complicated), cutting (dimensional accuracy is also very important, and an accuracy of 0.1mm or 0.01mm (and then in order) can be very, very different in technology!).
Of great importance is the quality of optics, electronics, communications. With this, however, everything is not going smoothly with us ... Although, by and large, everyone has it.
Reliability of engines, gearboxes, suspensions. (which again consists of the quality of materials, the level of technology and compliance with the technical process).
Those. to make a good tank you need hundreds of factories, research institutes and universities.
I doubt something that Ukraine has made great advances in science and technology ... In the best case, it was possible to preserve the Soviet.
At the same time, they have clearly forgotten how to observe the technologies and processes. And the constant scandals with the fact that their equipment breaks down and, in the literal sense, is bursting at the seams - only more and more convinces of this.
So it makes no difference what they draw and make out of plastic. From a reliable fighting vehicle with outstanding performance characteristics - a precipice separates them.

[Maks-80]

Exhibition of young modelers.

[Weniamin]

Well, just like a word, children. Well, they don’t understand that they are bred. Ukro-cheaters will sell them a batch of layouts and be happy.

[nnm]

But on 404 "new" tanks appear naturally !!!

[nnm]

Here are the stealth technologies that will be applied !!!!

[nnm]

Everyone saw the layout ... but the real execution ... (after assembly, process with a file)

[KaPToC]

Quote: nnm

file after assembly

Normal is such a ... zombimobile.

[RASKAT]

Thailand has already tried to buy, it did not seem to work out very well.

[iskander491]

Quote: vovanpain

), the Ukrainian exposition attracted special attention of visitors and participants of the salon, in particular, the model of the promising Oplot-M tank

Well, yes, yes, Pakistan will order a hundred different layouts.

They will order real ones, but get plywood! And when they make a complaint, the answer will be, because we showed you the layout and we also did just the layout.

[ZuuT]

from the layout to the real, especially Ukrainian, it may take years ... Maybe everyone became interested because it would be possible to replenish the collection of toy soldiers

[Brown]

Guys, who is the author of this article?

[nnm]

I don’t know who he is, but he’s a comedian!

[ser65]

"War informant" is a typical ukroizdeliye ...

[sanja.grw]

They accidentally ordered a model on Ali Express

[Brigadier]

Ukrainians can’t do tanks, but they’ve already learned how to glue models ...
Now, the layout of the tank is ready ...
Soon we should expect a model of an ukro-fighter, and there it’s a stone's throw to the layout of an ukro-spaceship ...
How is it sung, if you slightly alter the song - "Layouts, layouts, only layouts around"

[Alexey-74]

Yeah, Pakistan hasn’t yet understood who it’s contacting .... well, let's see how things go further except for toy models ...

[nnm]

No, well, for such a thing, asking for a new tranche of the IMF is a holy thing !!!

[Alex20042004]

And a model of a submarine, such as "Zaporozhets"!

[Engineer]

Oh and meager, you can see the exhibition, if the model placed on the palm of your hand becomes a sensation of the exhibition.

[kos2cool4u]

I can’t laugh, already under the table with laughter. Ukraine-tanks-Iran, it’s better to send me the money, it’s just not lost)))))

[shosha]

The Ministry of Defense of Pakistan probably doesn’t know how the Ukrainians Thailand and the Bastions threw ...

[Ushly_bashkort]

Well, judging by the latest trend, only a batch of mock-ups on a scale of M 1: 1 will be able to buy packs, and even then not in full. The Iraqis and Thais will not let you lie.

[Leonid Har]

Let the Pakistani hryvnia translate and start waiting for their tanks. Maybe in 10-15 years the first 5 tanks will wait. The Ukrainian tank industry has not yet settled with Thailand. In India, by that time, the Armat battalion would already be on the border with Pakistan.

[MATROSKIN-53]

I doubt however ...

[Ronino]

Glue mock-ups. You don’t pour metal!

[Gormenghast]

Since 2009, it’s time it’s not the layouts, but the real Bastions-M to carry to exhibitions. Of course, I understand that the direction of one Stronghold out of 10 in the Armed Forces of Ukraine will greatly undermine the defense capability of Ukraine. And there is a risk that Thailand will appear and arrest this Bastion at the expense of the underserved.

[3vs]

Well, you can wind up a lot on the layout, what will happen in a real toy ?!

[Editor]

exhibition of scale model lovers from the international toy exhibition

[tolmachiev51]

Dreams, dreams... and then - only muck remains!!! It takes decades and an incredible amount of dollars to create a modern tank, and where is the guarantee that it will go into production? So, comrades from Pakistan, look at the model and you can buy 10 to admire at home, and to “threaten” India.

[Altona]

Quote: svp67

In the matter of choosing which tank to buy, I think that Pakistan will come to the same conclusion as Thailand, that is, buy Chinese, so it will be more true ...

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By the way, Pakistan was not interested in what was going on with the “models” of the newest tanks for Thailand?

[Berg berg]

Look how many models we made for Almaty, we can make it on a scale of 1:25 and we will sell it to Pakistan and African countries!

[kirieeleyson]

I want to make such a model, Dragon or Tamiya, Trumpeter is also possible. The model turned out great, I won’t say anything about the rest)

[sir_obs]

Where's the embroidered shirt?

[afrikanez]

Well, apparently things won’t go beyond the mock-ups, so we’ll see who wins. Real T-90 or Oplot-M model. I think Indians will like this arrangement.

[Fonmeg]

We found the fools! Well, find out if we don’t know crests!

[Orionvit]

Quote: Not served

The interest is rather caused not by the layout itself, but by the financial conditions for cutting the budget for these tanks. Here Ukraine is equal in the whole world is difficult to find.
Therefore, some officials from Pakistan work and maybe even quite well.

Removed from the tongue. In addition, the Pakistanis, by contacting Ukraine, risk causing irreparable damage to their own army. Indians looking at this show are probably laughing their heads off.

[Zaurbek]

Pakistan has long been in contact with China and will receive almost everything that Ukraine has to offer from China. Moreover, on credit for 20 years...

[Zaurbek]

It attracted interest and became a sensation, these are two different things. And the interest from Pakistan is just so-so advertising...

[Berg berg]

Recently, a 12-year-old Ukrainian inventor prodigy performed in Ukraine with the invention of cardboard armor for tanks. All Ukrainian developers were shocked by the innovations in the invention. And they promised to implement this invention in the new Oplot tank! Well, let’s wish the buyers of Ukrainian equipment strong cardboard armor!

[olegyurjewitch]

Quote: Lord of the Sith

Pakistan’s purchase of Oplot-M tanks “can significantly change the situation in the region,” the article notes.

She can only change the situation in the bank accounts of the Ministry of Defense of Pakistan. I hope they pay in advance and wait for the weather from the sea.

[olegyurjewitch]

WAIT! And weather from the sea, and mussels and a hole in your pocket.
How can you trust scoundrels!

[olegyurjewitch]

"Stronghold" model of the monument?

[pafegosoff]

They showed the boy here. He invented super armor. His cardboard tank should have been placed next to this model. The Pakistanis would be stunned and order a thousand cardboard supertanks! There's not enough cardboard in the dumpsters!

[proud]

The Thais have already purchased a batch of tanks from them, but they still can’t get them!

[K-50]

The model of the modernized Ukrainian tank aroused genuine interest both from the top military leadership of Pakistan and a number of foreign delegations.

Are they going to fight with beautiful models?
Well then, good luck!!!
If customers are not cheated and the products of the Kuyev military-industrial complex do not break on their own, then so be it. The Indians are great, they know where to get the right weapons, but the packs, to hell with them, they kept our Afghan boys captured in the camp and killed them. Let the Indians take revenge for them!!

[tinibar]

Quote: Monos

Quote: cniza

They will make a normal product.

They won’t do it. Where will they get engines and gun barrels? The reserves of Soviet heritage are not endless.

Where did you get them until now? The engines were made in Kharkov, the barrels were made at some pipe factory... They were already making a large batch for Pakistan... Their problems are not in the engines and barrels...

[spech]

Where the fuck is the source, damn they turned the resource into a yellow substance or decided to troll, there are not enough people

[Karaul73]

Quote: Monos

Quote: cniza

They will make a normal product.

They won’t do it. Where will they get engines and gun barrels? The reserves of Soviet heritage are not endless.

Engines and barrels are made in Ukraine, but there are problems with steel. Even for the Watches they buy from abroad.

[vmo]

If there is no metal, then what kind of barrels? And the engine gov......they know about those who served on the 64.

[Cat man null]

Quote: vmo

And the engine gov.......they know about those who served on 64

- but don’t scold 5TDF so much... it’s good...
- it burns, however, “at once”, immediately...
- but still good!
- and since the 6TD line is a continuation of the same 5TD, the engines in Ukraine are also... good

[Orionvit]

Everything that is done in Ukraine has dropped significantly in quality. Here you have a worn-out machine park, a shortage of qualified workers, and simply a disregard for working for meager wages.

[antivirus]

If only the spirit of the winners, who burned out but did not take their hands off the levers outside their consciousness, was transferred to India from NT to T90.
Then we’ll see how good the layout was

[Monk]

Oplot-M apparently means “Layout”

[vmo]

If Pakistan does not have mock-ups, then dill will supply them, no problem, but now the question is what to fight with? Pakistan doesn’t know what a 5TDF (or 6TDF) engine is, and even if dill supplies the equipment, it doesn’t matter what the chemicals are (a national trait). So India won!

The Thais have already purchased a batch of tanks from them, but they still can’t get them!

[magician]

I have a feeling that this model was made during labor lessons at school. Probably the components for the original will be made there according to the drawings provided by the drawing teacher from the students’ homework. Damn, I can help with electrics in economy class style.

[bk316]

I’m wondering how such a figure would look in life-size, well, it’s never camouflage.

[mitrich]

Quote: Thrall

I remembered an old joke about two businessmen:
- Buy a car of sugar.
- I take it.
One went to look for sugar, the other to look for money ...

Another variant:
1st: if you buy a pavidla car for two lamas, you can sell it for four.
2nd: I went to look for two lambs.
1st: went to look for the pavidla carriage.

[doubovitski]

Quote: oborzevatel

Quote: Dr. Barmaley

Well, yes, yes, Pakistan will order a hundred different layouts.

Paying mock money.

Models of aircraft have not yet been offered?

...made using SUPER STEALTH technology. That is, absolutely invisible on radar.

[Dekabrist]

So far no one is going to implement it in metal. First, a plywood version will be created. It will be tested on armchair troops and hamsters. Based on the results of the tests, a final decision will be made.

[sounddoc]

Cotton wool....Backward non-Europeans.....While you are riveting your plywood "Armatas", the inventors have arranged for the supply of female models to the Ukrainian Armed Forces! Glory to Ukraine!!!!!

[Sergei75]

Will you buy mock-ups?

[Zomanus]

I don’t understand, maybe the packs are ready to purchase a batch of tank models,
and the Ukrainians misunderstood them?)))
In general, cooperation with Ukrainians in the fields of mechanical engineering and defense can either be very naive,
or a scammer.

[Ckyy]

and we didn’t cooperate before the Maidan? Are we naive or scammers? :3

[Jack-b]

Before the Maidan, it was a different Ukraine. Look how many military contracts they have already ruined after the Maidan.

[Ckyy]

maybe it hasn’t changed? maybe the Russian Federation has changed... maybe you just need to rub your eyes, otherwise you think the first channel got into them: 3

[Tarikxnumx]

Russia has changed and continues to change, and as for me, looking at it from the outside, in a much better way than my native Khokhlostan. Yes, not without distortions, but compared to what is happening here, when a crowd of rear-wheel drive oligarchs is at the top, and, let’s say, “at the bottom” there are a bunch of schmucks running around in balaclavas and with machine guns. Both of them cannot put three words together, but they know how to build democracy and love their homeland, and most importantly, they are sure that without us Europe will collapse....

[Ckyy]

so much bile from pseudo "patriots" :3

[33 Watcher]

“It is noted that the possible acquisition of Oplots will be a direct response to the Indian Armed Forces, which is armed with Russian T-90 tanks.”
The Pashtuns probably don’t know that they have a dozen tanks and will have to wait twenty years. And it’s not a fact that they will wait...

[cariperpaint]

yeah) India's answer to only 1000 tons 90 or how many of them are assembled there in general) Ukraine will be plowing the whole country at the plant for 100 years

[Seraphimamur]

In kindergarten I also sculpted tanks from plasticine!

[Jack-b]

Will they also sell mock-ups? Life size or to scale?

[Jurkovs]

Damn model builders!

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Why does Pakistan need a large batch of small models of Oplot-m tanks? ))) Resist 2000 Indian T-90s? )))

[vdovinab]

Quote: notingem

Probably a field kitchen. I like

for stewing dill

[Jubilee]

The Kaklys have already scammed the Indians while repairing planes. Pakistan is next.

[kalibr]

Nonsense. Poor Pakistanis. We are used to believing advertising brochures and metal models. And where will they get the guns for the Oplot, and the armor with additives from the deposits of Siberia, and... I would make scrapping from cardboard packaging even cooler. But that's all. I would sign a contract, get... a lot and... to Thailand, have plastic surgery, and from there to Paraguay, buy a Jaun Huilo passport. This is a real project!

[Bumblebee_3]

Are you sure that “effective managers” from the defense industry will not sell armor additives? Ukrainian tank builders have a school from the USSR. Don't underestimate them.

[Tarikxnumx]

KMDB named after Malyshev (developer) can develop a lot of things; specialists have remained there since Soviet times. But this is the maximum that the plant can afford. Malysheva (manufacturer) is an armored personnel carrier-4 with a bunch of shoals and dumps similar to the "Azovets". Because the specialists fled from there, and the workshops, according to their testimony, were simply plundered. And yes, they never established their own production of gun barrels...

[tezey]

Of course, the demonstration of the layout and, most importantly, the capabilities of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex caused a sensation. Judge for yourself. Since 2011, as many as 20 tanks out of 49 under contract have been delivered to Thailand. We count. On average 4 tanks per year. God bless him. They will strain themselves and make 10 tanks a year. Then, in order to neutralize the threat from 1250 Indian T-90s, Pakistan will need only 125 years. This is certainly a sensation.

[Zlyden.Zlo]

I just wonder why not a model of a walking tank with a nuclear engine and a railgun with +5 groove

[Lee_Mubai]

The layout is really beautiful, but what will the final product be like? In what quantity they will be able to produce such “STRONGERS” given the current situation in the economy, and in the country as a whole, this is a big question! Although the car may turn out to be successful!

[Baursak]

But in fact, the model, and an old one at that - in the name “Oplot-M” the letter “M” is not “modernized” (as it is written in the article), this is the name of “Oplot” before it was put into service. And it was put into service in 2009! It turns out that they have been dragging this model around to exhibitions for 7 years.
In terms of performance characteristics on paper, it’s a very good tank; the Kharkov designers of the Soviet era knew their stuff. And with production - a complete mess! 35 cars in 7 years instead of the promised 200, disruption of deliveries to Thailand (both in quantity and quality) - who will be interested in purchasing such cars after this!?

[Doomph]

So, as I understand it, we are talking about buying mock-ups so that India is afraid?)))

[silver_roman]

I can already see how Pakistan is digging a hole for itself.
Concluding a deal with Ukraine, especially in such a high-tech area, is a waste of money and time.
Is there really nothing to learn from the story of Thailand?
That and the appearance for MBT is the 10th matter.

[stur]

As I understand it, this news is just to laugh, take a mock-up of the tank to the exhibition, and cheerfully report how we wow,
I don’t even know what to call this
God give them at least a drop of brain, they don’t understand what they’re doing

[Shishiga]

Berkut24,
1. for reference, the T-80 was born in Kirovsky, but production is in Omsk.
2. the difference between the T-72 and T-80 is not even in the MZ and AZ, but in the systems and complexes for guidance and control of a guided missile.
3. mounted dynamic protection, including the sides, was developed not after the 90s, but long before them. Just like in principle, measures to strengthen reservations were carried out based on the results and experience of Afghanistan.
4 reasons for decommissioning the T-80 lie in the wrong areas. The gentlemen from KhTZ sold the documentation for the Cobra control system to their new best friends, their USA, therefore the T-80 project was covered with a copper basin and its further operation was considered inappropriate.

[vmo]

The country is now a model of the real Ukraine, here are the tank models.