Poroshenko ordered the Foreign Ministry to seek recognition of the Holodomor as genocide of the Ukrainian people

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The head of Ukraine, Petro Poroshenko, instructed the head of the foreign ministry to seek recognition by the world community of the famine 30-ies as the genocide of the Ukrainian people, reports RIA News.





“I have just signed a presidential decree ... in which, among other things, I instructed the Ministry of Foreign Affairs to continue work on the recognition by the world community, foreign states and international organizations of the Holodomor as genocide of the Ukrainian people”, - said the president at an event dedicated to the memory of victims of the Holodomor.

Events with the participation of top officials of Ukraine were held in Kiev near the Museum of Holodomor Victims Memorial. The memory of the dead was honored with a minute of silence.

Ukraine already has a law that recognizes famine 1931-1932. "Genocide of the Ukrainian people." In Moscow, the Kiev authorities regard the actions as an attempt to "politicize history"And introduce" mistrust and hostility in relations between the two countries, embroil the peoples of Ukraine and Russia.

The agency recalls that the famine at the beginning of 30 covered not only Ukraine, but “the Northern Caucasus, the Lower and Middle Volga region, a significant part of the Central Black Earth region, Kazakhstan, Western Siberia, and the Southern Urals.” In total, according to various estimates, then killed from 7-mi to 8 million people (in Ukraine - 3-3,5 million).
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  1. +18
    27 November 2016 09: 27
    Nothing more to do: The outskirts are booming, the people live richly. Finished himself, however.
    1. +53
      27 November 2016 09: 29
      Well, this is an old song. Here she is, the first victim of the famine wassat
      1. +17
        27 November 2016 09: 43
        The time will come, and Poroshenko’s rule will be recognized as the genocide of the Russian people.
        1. +32
          27 November 2016 10: 23

          Ukraine 30s still flowers smile
          1. +9
            27 November 2016 17: 40

            They still cannot get drunk after the famine. Like, by the way, our oligarchs.
        2. +7
          27 November 2016 12: 03
          Ukrainians that want to make it clear that they are exceptional? Famine throughout the country was in the Soviet Union thanks to grain procurement and forced collectivization. Nobody purposefully killed and killed anyone! The Bolsheviks just needed bread very much! Business, nothing personal! Not only Ukraine paid the terrible price of 7 million dead. And the conductors of this policy, at the top were the Ukrainian cadres themselves.
          1. +3
            27 November 2016 13: 22
            [quote No one purposefully killed and killed anyone! The Bolsheviks just needed bread very much! Business, nothing personal! ] [/ quote]
            And the conductors of this policy, at the top were the Ukrainian cadres themselves.
            Well, it was the Communists who continued to Ukrainize the Russians, although they were only followers of the ideas of their Western neighbors. Well, they didn’t only kill people in Ukraine by starvation. Now Poroshenko. same kompyam as in Russia http://communitarian.ru/publikacii/istoriya_rossi
            i / izrail_palach_ukrainy /
            after watching the practice of repressing the Cheka, the Menshevik Yu. Martov-Zederbaum told his relative L. Trotsky-Bronstein: “Leo! Tell Ilyich that you need to be more careful: after all, 150 Russians live in Russia, if you fight with repressions, then the time will come - you will have to answer! ” ..................... And even if, according to official statistics, on 000000, only in the Central Office of the NKVD Jews were 01.01.32%, Russians - 7,4%, while while the ratio among the top leadership was different: Jews - 65%, Russians and other nationalities - 45%, in the GULAG system, all 55% of the leadership were exclusively Jews - until 100–1937 [38]. .
          2. +1
            27 November 2016 22: 35
            Quote: Stas157
            what are they exceptional? Famine throughout the country was in the Soviet Union


            It's all true that it was not at all against Ukraine in particular. Everyone was starving and everyone was dying. A natural factor was imposed - a poor harvest - in Kazakhstan "jute" and gave a sad result together with the policy of seizing grain for the purpose of industrialization + the policy of the Trotskyists (a vivid example of the Trotskyist - Goloshchekin (and not Russian by the way) in Kazakhstan - who obviously applied the same rules to harm and in Russia - although in KZ the people did not have vegetable gardens and household plots to feed themselves - that is, 2 cows for the Russian OK - and death for the Kazakh - I read with pleasure that Stalin in 1939 - when he relatively strengthened the power - raised this bastard from a hospital bed and shot )
            1. +3
              28 November 2016 00: 23
              You write directly - not Goloshchekin (he attached himself to the Russians, damn it), but Shaya Itskakovich Fram.
              1. 0
                28 November 2016 00: 45
                Mendel Markovich Khataevich, Secretary of the Central Committee of the CP (b) U in 1932-34:
                "A fierce struggle is waged between the peasants and our government. This is a struggle to the death. This year was a decisive test of our strength and strength. It took hunger to show them who is the boss. It cost millions of lives, but the collective farm system was created, we won the war."
            2. +1
              30 November 2016 22: 33
              Did Mendel not pay? He was shot in the 37th, regarding his actions in Ukraine as terrorism and counter-revolution. Sorry, it's late ...
          3. +3
            28 November 2016 01: 17
            Famine throughout the country was in the Soviet Union thanks to grain procurement and forced collectivization.
            You at least familiarize yourself with the topic. In 31-32. years, there were terrible crop failures, by the way, in Europe, where the same was the famine. Only there it is not customary to talk about it. What are 7 million. killed in Ukraine? Fear God, and do not watch liberal TV channels at night. Turn on the brain. And if there were excesses, then Comrade. Stalin in 37, all the guilty ones (or almost all) "got it" right.
            Nobody purposefully killed and killed anyone!
            And here is the truth.
        3. 0
          27 November 2016 17: 49
          Not the Russian, but namely the population of Ukraine, however!
      2. +25
        27 November 2016 09: 46
        The megalomania of the great "Ukrainian nation" has already gotten everyone. The "country", which appeared by Lenin's decree in the 20s, poses as a world power. A bunch of pitiful, envious pan-headed paranoid people blame everyone but themselves for their problems.
        "... Russia needs to seriously prepare for the fact that all these liberated Slavs will rush into Europe with rapture, before losing their personality they will become infected with European forms, political and social, and thus will have to go through a whole and long period of Europeanism before comprehending at least something in its Slavic meaning and in its special Slavic vocation among humanity.
        Between themselves, these little lands will forever quarrel, always envy each other and intrigue against each other. Of course, in the moment of some serious trouble, they will certainly turn to Russia for help. No matter how they hate, gossip and slander us, Europe, flirting with her and assuring her of love, but they will always feel instinctively (of course, in a moment of trouble, and not earlier) that Europe is a natural enemy of their unity, was they will always remain, and what if they exist in the world, then, of course, because there is a huge magnet - Russia, which, irresistibly attracting them all to itself, thereby restrains their integrity and unity "FM Dostoevsky. About Ukraine and Ukrainians. The Writer's Diary of the PSS, v. 26, pp. 77-82.)
        1. +8
          27 November 2016 09: 54
          This is another attempt to prove himself as the most miserable and offended:
          “What else can I do to get my attention?”
          Peter! And weakly on her knees from Kiev to Brussels.
          1. +2
            27 November 2016 17: 39
            Quote: hirurg
            This is another attempt to prove himself as the most miserable and offended:
            “What else can I do to get my attention?”

            This is an attempt to portray a stormy activity. When the president does not engage in the "revolution of guiding", famines, glorification of new heroes, but takes up the economy, then Ukraine will become a state.
            1. +2
              27 November 2016 18: 01
              True, absolutely true!
              But only the president’s surname should be different ... after all ... to put it mildly, events. And Petrusha - only on ...

              Well, if anyone didn’t understand me
              And doesn’t read between the lines ...
              Pig driven back to the stall
              -Direction to the West,
              And with my head - to the East. (Mine)
      3. WKS
        +10
        27 November 2016 09: 55
        There was hunger, pestilence was - these are facts. The question is whether this was done by the then Ukrainian authorities deliberately or out of sloppiness. Rather, from excessive servility and from the revolutionary stupidity of the local Ukrainian authorities, as well as many other regions of the USSR, where there was then famine and pestilence. Poroshenko and the Bandera members need the world to exclaim in unison: "Ah! In 1933, Ukrainians were deliberately exterminated in the USSR!" But this stupid idea that came to Yushchenko's head contradicts the facts. To starve the Ukrainians to death on the orders of Stalin, who created and cultivated this ethnos, is ridiculous.
        1. +10
          27 November 2016 10: 04
          Ukraine was created in 1918 by Leib Bronstein, he also organized the Holodomor.
          Stalin was not in the lead then, didn’t you know about this?
          1. +7
            27 November 2016 12: 07
            Simpsonian

            You at least rummaged around in tynet before writing nonsense. In what year was the Holodomor in Harayna ?? 1932-1933? I do not condone Trotsky, but, he
            In 1927, removed from all posts, sent into exile. In 1929 he was expelled from the USSR. In 1932, deprived of Soviet citizenship.
            1. 0
              27 November 2016 14: 08
              Well, and where did they go, after the assassination of Stalin, the Khrushchev-Pearl, the sincere Trotskyist of the USSR, was in charge of the USSR. Who prepared the delivery of the USSR to Hitler? “Together with Trotsky”: the origins of the “purges of 1937” in the Red Army http://communitarian.ru/publikacii/istoriya_rossi
              i / vmeste_s_trockim_istoki_chistok_1937_goda_v_kra
              snoy_armii /
              http://communitarian.ru/publikacii/istoriya_rossi
              i / izrail_palach_ukrainy /
              1. +3
                27 November 2016 14: 36
                Well, in short, now the Trotskyists are to blame for everything. Unsubscribe this to Don Pedro. Let Chugunkin incite them. You look at Pasha on a business trip to Mexico to go on a freebie.
                1. 0
                  27 November 2016 14: 42
                  Until 1937 - yes ... in general, no one bothered them (you).
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        2. +33
          27 November 2016 10: 24
          Quote: wks
          Oh! In 1933, Ukrainians were deliberately exterminated in the USSR! "

          Well, yes, yes, it is in the USSR. fellow
          1. +10
            27 November 2016 10: 47
            These are the "taras" in Ukraine and jump, and go to the national battalions, and kill children with old people without hesitation. In one word - a Ukrainian madhouse!
          2. +3
            27 November 2016 10: 55
            good good goodAbout Ukraine, it remains only to laugh out loud, or to laugh like horses and horses in the stable good good
        3. 0
          27 November 2016 13: 39
          The war in the Donbass is the same only on a smaller scale, cleansing the territory of the indigenous population. The main territory on which the famine was located in Russia, therefore, Poroshenko again divides everyone - dividing the Russians into Ukrainians and Russians again
      4. +3
        27 November 2016 10: 08
        Photos were taken by several cameras at once. In one, he would not fit the victim of the famine.
      5. +8
        27 November 2016 12: 13
        The Holodomor made the west its sanctions at that time, refusing to accept gold for machines and equipment, accepted only grain, hence the famine. And it was necessary to rebuild the country, prepare for war, the famine was also in the Volga region, and where there was no current at that time .
      6. 0
        27 November 2016 18: 59
        Quote: Black
        first famine victim

        Who organized this famine is interesting ...
    2. +5
      27 November 2016 10: 11
      Is Kuev preparing to present himself to the Lord for drought all over the planet? belay Well well! fool
    3. +2
      27 November 2016 11: 53
      Specialist opinion about the famine.
    4. +1
      27 November 2016 12: 58
      Piglet in his repertoire. because it’s simply not capable of more. because just like a pig.
    5. 0
      27 November 2016 15: 49
      Because his name is Poroshenko Holodomor Genocidovich, please get acquainted laughing
  2. +7
    27 November 2016 09: 29
    In my opinion, now everything is going to the "Holodomor" ... Valtsman is not lying ...! And who is to blame is already known, and printing houses are already typing in large letters ..
    1. +6
      27 November 2016 09: 43
      The main thing is to present, well, or Gerashchenko as a victim of Moseichuk to the "high court", then Russia will definitely not get out wassat
    2. +3
      27 November 2016 10: 22
      09.29. Old fart! Only then did Stalin pull out granaries and slowed down grain exports to eliminate hunger. I think today Putin will not do this for the sake of horses. Although the question of course is very serious. Give the outskirts, divide, return. And everywhere there are pros and cons.
  3. +17
    27 November 2016 09: 34
    And what about the ruin of Kiev by Batu's troops in 1240? How interesting is this event being interpreted and what will the international community answer? PSUkraine is butted by the Russian plan "Shatun", and Petya is staggered by the morning hangover laughing
    1. +9
      27 November 2016 09: 53
      Well, Mongolia has already agreed to pay compensation to the descendants of the victims of the occupation of Ukraine by the Mongol forces of Batu Khan, if they provide certificates that at that time there was such a state, as well as with the names and addresses of the victims. laughing The Ukrainian government is in ah ... what condition, it seems, and really there is an option to cut down pennies easily, but here the question of the state equipment of the city of Kiev does not correspond ... Again, this Moscow Kremlin ... fool
  4. +23
    27 November 2016 09: 35
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  5. +5
    27 November 2016 09: 37
    genocide of the Ukrainian people

    You might think that Waltzman worries about the fate of the Ukrainian people. Another attempt to create a situation where it will be possible to demand money from Russia (the eternal Ukrainian attempt to get another freebie). Vile personalities gathered in the leadership of Ukraine, but they will also have to answer for their deeds.
    1. +4
      27 November 2016 10: 31
      09.37. Rotmister! They did not seem to come together. They were so competently selected by our partners. And this shows which cadres they are betting on in international affairs. The training manual is one in all countries. Such cadres were also selected for us in the 90s and were picked up by the Libyans, and trained by the Syrians. Yes, and in ISIS they rule similar shots. We can say that our partners are stubbornly trying to find or raise a new Adolf. This is clearly seen in the example of Poroshenko. But he does not have the charisma of Hitler or Zhirinovsky. Therefore, most likely, another leader with delusions of grandeur and attractive charisma should appear on the scene. The whole question is just where. In Europe or on the outskirts? In the choice of Franco, Mussolini, Hitler only Adolf met expectations. Probably in this case, too, they will look for something worthy in their opinion. hi
    2. +1
      27 November 2016 12: 36
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Vile personalities gathered in the leadership of Ukraine, but they will also have to answer for their deeds.


      Hey.
      Yes, the Samoyeds are still the same. Right now they whine about the lack of investment from the "West" and immediately destroy the little that came to them, one is amazed looking at the actions of this former country called Ukraine:
  6. +16
    27 November 2016 09: 39
    What is belay
    ... the causes of death in the "famine books" are absolutely astounding. Here are some of them in the same Berdyansk:

    Mileshko Alexander, 20 years old, working, Russian, date of death - 18.12.1932/XNUMX/XNUMX, cause of death - alcohol poisoning
    Shushlov Vladimir, 49 years old, date of death - 18.03.1933/XNUMX/XNUMX, asphyxia, acute alcohol poisoning
    Vorobyova Marina, 7 years old, from a family of workers, date of death - 09.10.1933/XNUMX/XNUMX, crushed by a bus
    Nechipurenko Alexey, 13 years old, from a working class family, Russian, date of death - 03.09.1933/XNUMX/XNUMX, cerebral hemorrhage from a bus blow


    And here is the Belogoryevsky Village Council of Zaporizhzhya Region:

    Konovalenko Luka Pavlovich, 34 years old, collective farmer, Ukrainian, date of death - 16.06.1933/XNUMX/XNUMX, killed by lightning.


    But this is not the limit ...
    ... from the "Book of memory" of Odessa region:

    collective farmer from the Baltics Fedor Astratonov 26.07.1932/XNUMX/XNUMX killed by a bull (!)


    Further, Vladimir Kornilov notes:

    Absolutely all deaths from injuries sustained at work or in mines are also attributed by the compilers of the Book of Memory to the results of the famine. In the Luhansk region, for example, the miners Miron Volikh, Kostya Kolin, Vasily Lysenko, Fedor Miroshnik, V. Moroz, Ivan Paliyanko, each of whom stated: “died in a mine,” July 6, 1933, are classified as “victims of the Holodomor”. Vasily Nikolayevich Mishchinko, a resident of the Perevalsky district of the Luhansk region, was the victim of a mine accident - it also turns out to be a victim of starvation. Moreover, do not believe it, twice! That is, in the "Book of Remembrance" Vasily Mishchinko decided to include in the victims of hunger both on the lists of the Zorinsky City Council and on the lists of the Commissar Village Council. And such "duplicates" - as many as you want!


    View in full: http://politrussia.com/istoriya/a-vot-pro-603/
    1. +9
      27 November 2016 10: 07
      collective farmer from the Baltics Fedor Astratonov 26.07.1932/XNUMX/XNUMX killed by a bull (!)


      Well, bull, it's really cool. Is it carnivorous, or is it a bull if it suffered from famine?
      Somewhere I already saw it what ? AAAAAAA, remembered
  7. +4
    27 November 2016 09: 40
    Give me a million, well, give a million, what’s worth it ... Distracting from the topic - Petya’s wife is good, who got it?
    1. +4
      27 November 2016 09: 56
      Well, here it’s real, the woman is not bad, but she found a sucker. Although, on the other hand, not every sucker can afford a confectionery factory in Lipetsk. laughing
      1. +1
        27 November 2016 10: 42
        09.56. Fitter65! Yes, there is also an interesting feature. Those who lived in the 90s remember how companies and loans were registered on homeless people. Of course I do not call Poroshenko homeless. But who knows, how to know who the true owner is. Yes
      2. 0
        27 November 2016 23: 05
        Quote: Fitter65
        Well here it’s real, a woman is not bad


        CIA scared like Power does not hold - it’s unprofitable. stop
  8. +10
    27 November 2016 09: 44
    Russia needs to recognize the pogroms of the Russian population in the former republics of the USSR and the events in the Donbass and Odessa as the genocide of the Russian people!
  9. +7
    27 November 2016 09: 47
    And where to attribute those victims (millions) who died in Russia and Kazakhstan? Maybe together with Ukraine we will file a lawsuit against Georgia, then Dzhugashvili was at the "helm" - he was from there! fool Tired of these carers, they only grab someone else's, they themselves can earn! angry hi
    1. +3
      27 November 2016 10: 48
      09.47. Fa2998! Here the answer lies rather not on the surface, but somewhat deeper. And the point here is not even in Poroshenko himself. In the 90s, we ourselves substituted ourselves by declaring the Soviet past criminal. Having said A, they pressured us to say B. You yourself admit your criminal past! Therefore, do not rest and do what we tell you. In my opinion, this is the whole deep meaning of these statements. hi
  10. +5
    27 November 2016 09: 47
    If Parasus knew the story, then there would be no question for him why there was a famine of the thirties, what caused it, and who suffered during these turbulent times.
    And yet, clearly no one recognizes these events as the genocide of the Ukrainian people. It is in their own country that they want to publish laws and rewrite history as they want, but in the world no one will do anything about this issue.
  11. +4
    27 November 2016 09: 49
    Papuan Pedros - yesterday about visa-free travel, today - about the famine, tomorrow - understand, excuse me, let me go, I won’t. laughing
  12. +3
    27 November 2016 09: 59
    "... the actions of the Kiev authorities are regarded as an attempt to" politicize history "and introduce" mistrust and hostility in the relations between the two countries, to embroil the peoples of Ukraine and Russia. "- this is the real goal of all such actions of Waltzman and politicians like him. some fall for it.
    1. +1
      27 November 2016 10: 50
      Hello! My great-grandfather was a priest of the battleship Retvizan. Together with the crew he defended Port Arthur and was captured by the Japanese. And which of yours was at Retvizan?
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  13. +10
    27 November 2016 10: 00
    wassat
    Ukraine can recognize the legality of the construction of the Crimean bridge and give official permission to continue it if Russia fulfills a number of conditions.
    This statement was prepared by a group of deputies of the Verkhovna Rada (2 from all 8 factions) working on a program to return the southern territories.

    Russia will be invited at the end of construction, but before the date of official commissioning, transfer to the Ukrainian side all ownership rights to all structures, elements and infrastructure of the bridge (access roads, interchanges, storage and auxiliary buildings, etc.).

    At the same time, Ukraine plans to get all the rights to income from the operation of the bridge, which are estimated at $ 1.5–2 million / day (fare up to 40 thousand cars, up to 47 train pairs per day).

    To facilitate the calculations, it is proposed to fix the amount of annual income at $ 638.75 million, and make transfers, in the form of prepayment for a 25-year period (i.e. $ 15.969 billion), to NBU accounts.

    At the same time, operating costs should be paid by the Russian side, as a construction company, and therefore bears full responsibility for the timeliness of its completion and the quality of work performed.

    The bridge should be completed within two years, in December 2018, and is fully operational no later than June 2019 (automobile part).

    After 25 years, the bridge can be leased to Russia for a 50-year period, with a payment of $ 330 million per year, again in the form of an advance payment for the entire period.

    Thus, in total, Russia will have to pay Ukraine ~ $ 32.5 billion, which is very moderate, taking into account the financial losses suffered by Ukraine (including lost profits).

    It is stipulated that if Russia disagrees with the proposed conditions, construction should be immediately stopped. and already finished areas are immediately dismantled.
    It is emphasized that this initiative has the full support of the highest political leadership of Ukraine, and is designed to demonstrate its intentions to demonstrate and revive friendly relations with Russia, especially in light of the next refusal (and postponement for an indefinite period) of Europe to provide visa-free travel ™.

    Russia's refusal of this proposal will be considered an unfriendly act in relation to Ukraine, and may be challenged in court.
    1. +2
      27 November 2016 10: 04
      The horror is simple. Soon, the Oskan baskaks will begin to travel around the cities and towns.
      1. +2
        27 November 2016 10: 16
        Quote: Pereira
        The horror is simple.

        Ukraine is ready to act as an arbiter in disputes between Russia, Germany and Japan.
        This was announced by the head of the Poltava regional council Sashko Masyuk.
        This is primarily about the demands of Japan to return the so-called northern territories (Kuril Islands), illegally taken away by Russia from Japan in 1945, and the claims of the descendants of raped in 1945, 12 (according to some sources, 15) million Germans when the Russians grossly violated the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Germany, invading its territory and defeating the world's best German troops.

        According to Sashko, both of these issues should be combined and considered as a whole, because the defendant in both cases is Russia.

        The mechanism proposed by Ukraine in the face of Masyuk could look as follows:

        - Russia donates the Kuril Islands to Japan for free

        - Japan pays pre-agreed material compensation to German citizens or their legal representatives

        - Germany recognizes the sovereignty of Japan over the Kuril Islands

        At the same time, Ukraine, as the direct heir to the German-Japanese ideology of those years, is the guarantor that ensures the legitimacy and irreversibility of procedures.

        All financial transactions are carried out only through its banking institutions, with the collection of commission payments in the standard amount of 15% for such cases.

        Thus, the problems that have existed for decades have been eliminated, and all parties get what they want.

        The only obstacle to the implementation of this unusually tempting proposal may be the position of Russia, which can simply, in the diplomatic language, ignore it, and in a rude and / or offensive way.

        However, in this case, there is the prospect of filing a statement of claim with the Hague Tribunal and the real possibility of a positive decision being made by it.

        Then it remains only to develop and implement a mechanism for recovering another hundreds of billions or even trillions of dollars from Russia, which, taking into account the 15% share of Ukraine, will dramatically raise the living standards of its population.
        1. +8
          27 November 2016 11: 14
          Quote: izya top
          This was announced by the head of the Poltava regional council Sashko Masyuk.

          Yeah ... Sashko Masyuk. The true Aryan. The golden gene pool of Krajina:
          1. +7
            27 November 2016 12: 15
            If without a mat, then so
    2. +5
      27 November 2016 10: 18
      What kind of nonsense? But do not give them keys to the budget of the Russian Federation?
    3. +1
      27 November 2016 14: 22
      Quote: izya top
      Russia's refusal of this proposal will be considered an unfriendly act in relation to Ukraine, and may be challenged in court.

      Andrey, what smart people are sitting in the Rada! We must lure them into our Duma. Let's live!
  14. +20
    27 November 2016 10: 03
    What a famine in a fertile land. Here in Leningrad in 1941 there was a famine. There are so many rivers in Ukraine, one fish could live, there was a drought for a year. They just did not want to work as they do now. I was subordinate to 12 enterprises of the MCI of the USSR in Ukraine. To teach Ukrainians to work, they had to bring specialists and workers from Leningrad, Moscow, Chelyabinsk, Sverdlovsk, Petrozavodsk and teach, teach, teach. Only then they began to work. Now not a single enterprise is working. There will also be a famine soon. Dear readers of "VO", have you ever wondered why there was no hunger among the peoples on Lake Onega? I have the honor.
  15. +9
    27 November 2016 10: 04
    And the fact that since 1992, when the population of Ukraine was 52 million people, and by 2013 it decreased to 42 million, what’s this called? In a non-warring country, the population decreased by 10 million people, as much as 20% !!! This was not even in the USSR during WWII and in Germany during WWII! Now it is necessary to subtract 42 million Crimeans and 2 million Donbass from these 5 million, in total only 35 million livestock of Ukraine remains. Yeah! If this is not genocide, then what is genocide?
    1. +3
      27 November 2016 10: 21
      What is genocide? This is when a patrol stops you on the street, checks documents or just squeamishly looks in your face ...
      - Russian? (Ukrainian, Jew ...)
      the go-ahead and you are taken to a concentration camp or put against the wall.
      Or armed people come into your house.
      - Russian? (Ukrainian, Jew ...)
      - Take the bread guys! They are already divorced as dogs uncut ...
      The armed people take out all the supplies for the winter, and finally they smash the pot of porridge in the oven.
      This is when hungry children come to the station to watch carts with grain being delivered to the sometimes ajar gates of the warehouse, and it just ... rots there.
      This is when you and your family are put into a freight train within one day and sent somewhere from their native lands, from their home, and in the arms of women, babies die.
      And what you have listed is the consequences of "wise" truth. And if in our Russia there is a decrease in the number of only five million, then pay attention to the ethnic composition - who has become more? Russians? So whose merit is that the CITIZENS of the Russian Federation did not decrease very much?
      1. +2
        27 November 2016 11: 05
        Well, something like that, yes, and they broke the pot of porridge, and returned the steamers with the grain, in the same Odessa, unloaded it, and the food did not reach the destination. Then they began to judge those whose fault it happened, but their comrade .Khrushchev acquitted the victims of repression. Who himself did in Little Russia, which is satirically called Ukraine.
      2. +5
        27 November 2016 11: 07
        Genocide is when they go to Figwam (Indian national hut) - and there everyone died from blankets with smallpox or from burnt whiskey. And the land can be quietly occupied by "God's chosen" settlers who are building a "shining city on a hill". The leader should know this, and not repeat the backs of the "crappy" propaganda.
      3. +7
        27 November 2016 11: 09
        Where does the information come from? Massive support of the German invaders by Chechens and Crimean Tatars - is this NOT a FACT? And what should the authorities have done when they returned to these lands? Pat them on the head. Or arrange investigations according to all the rules? During the war? Genocide would be if they were all shot there, in the villages - as the Germans, or Bandera's, or Poles from the Home Army did. At that time - it was in the order of things. The USSR has only resettled. I walked through the mountains of Ingushetia and Chechnya, and they showed me the ruins of a CHILDREN'S tuberculosis sanatorium - CARVED by the locals when the Germans approached. Is it like, you also need to forgive?
  16. +14
    27 November 2016 10: 11
    There is much that is not clear with the Holodomor. My grandmother, who was a doctor in Voronezh at that time (she was a military grandmother, died at 94 in full memory), said that it was impossible to save people from Ukraine. They swelled, and from hunger - they do not swell. They ate fungus-infected grains from earthen pits buried on collective farms. And the attempts to explain to people that grain cannot be stored in the ground - people dismissed as attempts to stop the massive theft of bread. A starving person could have been saved (blockades, prisoners of concentration camps) - while eating poisoned bread - did not work. Since they ate it for MUCH and LONG. So maybe the Bolshevik government is not so guilty?
    1. +4
      27 November 2016 10: 52
      1) from hunger really- swell
      2) grain was always stored in burnt pits, rats and mice, unlike barns, do not gnaw through a thick layer of burnt clay which was coated on the walls of the pits
      1. +8
        27 November 2016 13: 02
        This is who and when in the blockade from hunger "fluff"? Or are the now popular starving girls who drive themselves to anorexia - very chubby? Medicine does not know such facts!
        Grain in the ground is stored in dry areas, previously dried. And here we are talking about the "burial places" in which the thieves were housed. And they began to get sick and die - in the spring, when the grain soaked with melt water was thoroughly spoiled. By summer, mortality had become rampant (kidney damage due to prolonged use had become irreversible). These are medical FACTS, I recommend to dig information not from journalistic nonsense, but from medical reference books. Well, or talk to a doctor you know.
        1. +2
          27 November 2016 16: 24
          1) medicine does not know (yes, you intrigued me!) - but I believe my grandmother. She said that from hunger they swelled up in the war in the Volga region. We ate everything in a row ...
          The only thing that comes to mind is, "In conditions of hunger, people replace normal food with any other: quinoa, nettle, tree buds, moss, clay, wood chips. This is not normal food for humans and causes gas accumulation. Enzymes involved in digestion also have protein. nature, prolonged fasting reduces the amount of enzymes ─ food is not completely digested, the processes of decay begin in the intestine, which contributes to gas formation.The muscular system also suffers: the muscles are depleted, become flabby and the muscle corset does not hold the internal organs ─ they "fall out" outside the peritoneum. moves more slowly through the intestines, which contributes to its overflow. "
          This is basically confirmed by photos of children from Africa, they have abnormally large bellies with thin legs.

          2) the grain, as you assume, simply buried in the ground (burial grounds) - after a few days it will draw out moisture and begin to rot. Even in the K-700 boxes / bins / wheels - the grain starts to churn and quickly enough, by the middle of winter, maximum. contact with the ground, even indirect, by the same mid-winter will be a long time ago, a long time ago a mess that even chickens don’t peck ..
  17. +6
    27 November 2016 10: 15
    The Holodomor occurred when millions were dying not only in the "eternally hungry Volga region," but even in the fertile Krasnodar Territory. So, in order to be recognized as genocide, it is necessary to prove the ethnic principle of distribution of products, which was not the case. Now Ukraine is experiencing a real genocide of common sense among residents
  18. +5
    27 November 2016 10: 19
    Especially for new Ukrainian historians wassat : The first case of the Holodomor of the Ukrainian (protoukrainians) people happened at the dawn of history. Scary moskalezaur forced protoucres to settle in Egypt, Greece and further on the new Ukrainian history.
    Use hi
  19. +2
    27 November 2016 10: 21
    Nothing to them! .. DB! ...
  20. +2
    27 November 2016 10: 50
    The next president of Ukraine, when Poroshenko has sailed to the United States, will call him the cause of the genocide of Ukrainians.
  21. +2
    27 November 2016 10: 52
    Piglet is already swollen from hunger.)
    1. +1
      27 November 2016 11: 01
      Piglet is already swollen from hunger.)


      The process is not finished yet and continues ...

  22. +9
    27 November 2016 11: 13
    Our Foreign Ministry and Parliament are working disgustingly. Super minus Lavrov for the fact that his subordinates do not itch. And what? the loot goes, hid in the slot and enjoy.
    Must be beaten first, probably deadly!
    Who led the leadership of those or other regions where there was a famine? Who led the party organs? Well, by origin, by nationality ...
    No one wants to conduct an analysis, no one can strain their brains and bring counter charges.
    But Ukraine, Poland, Latvia, etc. - who killed Russians in hundreds of thousands - present
    And it will stay on the stove "kondovaya Russia", like there at Blok ...
    1. +5
      27 November 2016 11: 55
      Super minus Lavrov for the fact that his subordinates do not itch
      Who led the leadership of those or other regions where there was a famine? Who led the party organs? Well, by origin, by nationality ...

      Respected
      pafegosoff
      but you don’t think that Lavrov’s department here seems to be out of business. If I didn’t miss anything, then until this morning Sergei Viktorovich headed the Foreign Ministry, I decipher the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Pay attention to the word - foreign. And the question is who, when and what areas probably headed by other people and departments should understand. Or do you want Lavrov to be like the locksmith-multi-machine operator Klim Chugunkin (read Pasha Klimkin)? It will be a shame if S.V. Lavrov falls to such a level. and the need for his "work"
      Hurray for the "great" achievement!
  23. +9
    27 November 2016 11: 13
    Quote: Alexander777
    Piglet is already swollen from hunger.)

    No, mosiychuk "suffered" more
    More pigs from litrobol suffer.
  24. +7
    27 November 2016 11: 24
    Cynicism rolls over. A month ago dill celebrated the anniversary of Babi Yar. This is the site of the killing of Kiev during the war. A total of 200 thousand people were buried, including 100 thousand Jews, only Jews were remembered. The rest were remembered with the phrase: out of 200 thousand killed 100 thousand were Jews, and not on every channel. It turns out that those killed are not Ukrainians and are not worthy to be remembered. During the reign of the stubborn, the population of Ukraine declined by a quarter, and such management of grace called democracy is called. A circus and more!
  25. +5
    27 November 2016 11: 28
    In 1932-33, more people died of starvation on the Volga than in the so-called Ukraine. In the western regions of Ukraine there was also hunger, but at that time they were under Poland. The population density in those areas was much lower at that time, than in the more eastern.
  26. +4
    27 November 2016 11: 33
    Oh well done Petya ... And he doesn’t want to recognize the time of his reign as the Holodomor and the Holodomor?
  27. +1
    27 November 2016 12: 00
    Quote: izya top
    Russia's refusal of this proposal will be considered an unfriendly act in relation to Ukraine, and may be challenged in court.

    Opachki! Russia is building an object on its own money, on its territory. And for its use it should pay money to Ukraine! Moreover, in advance! And it faces trial! They will not crack their faces !!! wassat hi
    RS-A in Russia there are many bridges, so turn on the imagination, and invoice. fool hi
  28. 0
    27 November 2016 12: 07
    It, from the roshen, never learned the story. And when? - all the booze and the binge ...! laughing
  29. +4
    27 November 2016 12: 25
    A case where comments provide much more information than an article.
    Comments suggest that brain destruction is a success. Moreover, not only in Ukraine. After all, the article itself is about nothing. But she is in a trend characteristic of most media. On both sides of the information front. Indeed, for hamsters - this is what you need. Hamsters don’t think. They are friendly herds moving in the indicated direction. The question is - who points the direction? Are you on the right track, comrades?
  30. +2
    27 November 2016 12: 33
    “I just signed a presidential decree ... in which, among other things, I instructed the Ministry of Foreign Affairs to continue work on the recognition by the world community, foreign states and international organizations of the Holodomor as genocide of the Ukrainian people”

    Here you go! gunpowder already speaks of itself in the third person and signs decrees for some president, which means it feels that it’s at its seams! He did not even specify what time of the famine, 2014-2017? Then a two-color flag in his ... hand.
  31. +2
    27 November 2016 12: 39
    Let Avakova first calm down! Feed the country! Isn’t the famine in Ukraine now ?!
    In the 21st century, people are malnourished and live in poverty! I want to insert profanity, but I will refrain. And anyway, the moderators will be banned.
  32. +9
    27 November 2016 13: 02
    On the correspondent, in the comments, one discerned u-cr issued such a cry: laughing

    The towers are torn down - there is no one to believe ...
    There are no lace shorts!
    I will surrender to the first comer ...
    For a simple lottery ticket.
    Promised wolves shameful
    New, bright, carefree World.
    We are children, Bandera proud!
    It does not matter that the country - a toilet.
    We were told that we are free
    We were told that we are not slaves
    That the lace panties are fashionable
    This is a symbol of our struggle!
    Deceived, no cowards!
    All knees are worn down in blood
    The last two bucks are stolen.
    How to believe now in love? laughing laughing
  33. +1
    27 November 2016 13: 20
    The West has already sobered up, and these are still in a deep hangover, no matter how hard Trump gives money.
    1. 0
      27 November 2016 16: 36
      Quote: krops777
      Trump will not give money.

      Helping Ukraine is like an injection into a prosthesis. No sense. And Trump knows how to count money.
  34. +2
    27 November 2016 13: 57
    30 is far and further. And here, to call the international community to account Parash, for the genocide committed by the inhabitants of Donbass - the outbreak of civil war, segregation, death and mutilation of tens of thousands of citizens, the use of prohibited weapons, shelling of settlements, economic and food blockade, the end of mandatory social payments, shutdown water should already be in our time. Only, the international community has one eye and that one is slanting.
  35. +4
    27 November 2016 15: 17
    In the US, they hide how many people died from the hunger of the 30s. The official statistics for the most difficult - 1932 were destroyed, officially - the reports allegedly "were not compiled." Apparently, in the 30s, millions of people died of starvation in the United States. Analysis of the age-sex pyramid shows a demographic failure of 5-7 million people, most of whom are children, as happens with hunger. But these are indirect estimates, the real information is hidden. Those who talked about this tragedy in the United States were persecuted with extrajudicial killings and imprisoned as “communist agents” and “Soviet spies” until the 60s.
    And all the "bloody gebnya" is to blame, oh Putin was not there yet ..
  36. +1
    27 November 2016 15: 20
    The Holodomor was organized by the Jewish leadership of the Central Committee of the CP (b) U and the GPU in the Ukrainian SSR.
    1. 0
      27 November 2016 16: 38
      Quote: Operator
      The Holodomor was organized by the Jewish leadership of the Central Committee of the CP (b) U and the GPU in the Ukrainian SSR.

      There was no famine at all. He was invented by the State Department or the CIA.
      At that time, my grandmother lived in the Lugansk region. The most difficult was the first year. Severe drought killed the crop. There were serious problems with food. The food was prepared from pasture.
      The following year, everyone was given bean seeds. Her drought is not so terrible. Since then, my grandmother made almost everything and even bread from beans.
      Increased mortality was associated with malnutrition, which causes mortality among the sick and weakened. And the second ... as already noted .. People ate bread from grain infected with ergot. This is practically a sentence.
      Purposefully didn’t kill anyone.
      1. +1
        27 November 2016 17: 40
        You are mistaken, the rootless cosmopolitans in the leadership of the Ukrainian SSR have starved the indigenous inhabitants of the Ukrainian SSR purposefully as revenge for the Jewish pogroms since the 17th century.

        At that time, peasant rebels massacred Jews in Ukraine as the conductors of the colonialist policy of the Commonwealth - see the largest literary work of Taras Shevchenko "Haidamaki". Further - pogroms by tradition.
        1. +1
          27 November 2016 19: 37
          Quote: Operator
          You are mistaken, the rootless cosmopolitans in the leadership of the Ukrainian SSR have starved the indigenous inhabitants of the Ukrainian SSR purposefully as revenge for the Jewish pogroms since the 17th century.

          Yeah .. if there is no water in the tap ..
          At leisure .. study the question of how often starvation occurred in Russia. Let me tell you .. the first one who was puzzled by a centralized solution to this problem was Peter1. 18c ..
          1. 0
            27 November 2016 21: 06
            Learn how elemental hunger differs from man-made famine.
            1. 0
              27 November 2016 22: 55
              Quote: Operator
              Learn how elemental hunger differs from man-made famine.

              Oh, how ... did they drink water from the ground? Every ... exactly every hunger ... is caused by natural disasters. drought, low average temperature, a lot of water .. For example, the well-known war of the early 16th century was caused by a series of crop failures. it was this that raised the peasantry from the earth and pushed to take up arms.
    2. 0
      27 November 2016 21: 13
      as well as in the Volga region and Kazakhstan - "CC CP (b)У and GPU on УSSR ", it was these offices that created fool fool fool fool
      1. 0
        27 November 2016 21: 29
        The number of starvation deaths in the Ukrainian SSR on 1000 people was several times higher than that in the RSFSR (Kazakhstan was part of this union republic until 1936).

        The reason is the policy of the party leadership of the Ukrainian SSR (including the Main Political Directorate), most of which consisted of Jews.
        1. 0
          27 November 2016 22: 58
          Quote: Operator
          The number of starvation deaths in the Ukrainian SSR per 1000 people exceeded the figure in the RSFSR

          Do not smack nonsense .. it hurts. The territory was subjected to drought, and accordingly, and only with 1924 became Ukraine. And so it is the land of the Great Don Army.
        2. 0
          28 November 2016 07: 16
          One of whom was a direct ancestor of beggar, judging by what is happening in Ukraine
  37. 0
    27 November 2016 16: 00
    is this stsuka the most hungry?
  38. 0
    27 November 2016 17: 53
    This is not an anecdote, this is a quote: "Ukraine does not intend to pay for the next Eurovision Song Contest from the state budget, Ukrainian Minister of Culture Yevhen Nishchuk said in an interview with Ukrinform. According to him, the stake will be placed on European investors."

    “In early October, the European Broadcasting Union, as the owner of the Eurovision brand, gave NTKU a red card with regard to the timing and in fact disruption of preparations for Eurovision,” Harebin quoted TSN as saying.

    He noted that the reason for this reaction was “bureaucracy, the imperfection of legislative acts and the neglect of some officials to the competition.”

    He also added that in October the organizers reduced the backlog from the training schedule from three months to one.

    The decision on whether Eurovision will be held in 2017 in Kiev will be made on December 8 at a meeting of the European Broadcasting Union.

    In early November, it was reported that the director general of NTKU is leaving its post due to problems with the financing of Eurovision 2017.
  39. +3
    27 November 2016 19: 35
    In general, if someone is not up to date, I want to recall some points. There was a famine, and it so happened that he walked through a large territory, especially in the European part of the Russian Federation, especially cruelly through the chernozem territories, where everything seems to be growing, you just have to throw it in the ground. Here it is very difficult to find the one that had the most destructive effect in a tangle of all reasons. But in general, it all started with the fact that the Reds, after the Civil War, nevertheless decided the peasantry, which, as a result of the revolution, got a lot of land and got a little fat, in general, the Reds decided to tame them a little and collect the excess of this fat, since in the cities hungry all the time. The NEP did not significantly affect the city’s food supply, even rather worsened the situation of workers. except for influencing pricing, the Bolsheviks could not have done otherwise, but this still did not solve the problem, since for an honest exchange it was better to force the peasants to buy industrial equipment (all kinds of tractors for oil mowers and all that) But the peasants did not want to. Here, either everyone had to be relocated to the village, since there was especially nothing and no one to produce products in the cities. It was then that the idea of ​​creating large collective farms appeared, which would control them and force them to buy agricultural equipment and equipment in general. Well, all of this among the conservative peasantry caused a protest. Worse, part of the Bolsheviks did not understand the topic in nature and acted to the fullest extent of the revolutionary necessity (which led to terror) of the National University and when cattle and equipment were taken from the population into a common piggy bank - this provoked a fierce protest, which was expressed in the European part of the country destruction of the main draft cattle - Volov and reduction of crops. Destroying the oxen, the peasants deprived themselves of the opportunity to cultivate the land. Horses for black soil are very weak. Well, all these squabbles came in handy with the weather in the form of drought. And in the end it ended so tragically. Here all parties are to blame and blaming some Bolsheviks is no good. Although the local authorities are primarily to blame. in Ukraine, they were the same Ukrainians and Jews, who divorced not measured after the revolution in the governing bodies. Well, something like this.
  40. 0
    27 November 2016 21: 19
    Shouting to the whole world about the Holodomor, Svidomo cites the number of victims of this tragedy - about 7 million people. There is a great way to refute the lies about the alleged 7 million "victims of the Holodomor". Where did the corpses go? Where are the mass graves? I don't have them. Further. Where are the documents about SUCH number of dead and buried? After all, this is, for a minute, a whole million more than even the upper limit of the victims of the Holocaust. Moreover, in a year, not five years. The Germans, as you know, "inherited" the full program, but where are the "traces of the crimes of the Stalinists"? By the way, has anyone thought about how many people are needed in order to collect and bury these seven million within a year? And what would it look like in practice? And was it possible to hide the "funeral activity" of such a scale? In Katyn, "only" 4 people were killed (even a little less), but so here it is, a mass grave - please. And then 500 million ?! And why then the Germans, who oh how profitable it was to accuse the USSR of bloody crimes, did not find ANY traces of such mass graves? They "found" Katyn - and trumpeted it to the whole world, but here it will be much more abruptly Katyn (all the same 7 against some 7). And, finally, why then did the Ukrainians also fought for the USSR and for Stalin in the 000nd WW, as well as representatives of other nationalities (the UPA and other scumbags do not take into account - this "public" from Western Ukraine, which in 000 in the USSR just WAS NOT)? Why didn't they take revenge on Stalin and the USSR for the Holodomor? Did not know? About the SEVEN millions who allegedly died in their and neighboring villages? Don't tell my shoes ... In fact, according to official statistics (why not trust her, because they collected it "only for their own people" and did not publish it anywhere), in 4500-2 about 1933 died of hunger throughout the USSR man. Quite a lot, of course, but not seven million. And such a number of deaths per year will indeed be able to "digest" the existing cemeteries (there is no need for mass graves). For comparison, in tsarist times (1932, 33, 650) the number of victims was much higher - from one and a half to two and a half million Orthodox souls alone. So, Europe is unlikely to support Ukraine in this famine scam. One holocaust is enough for her.
    1. +1
      28 November 2016 07: 10
      don't you understand ?! Bloody gebnya used crematoriums for these purposes, which were immediately destroyed - and so throughout the country. Smoke has not yet been dispelled. And then because of this there was such a severe winter of 1941 \ 42 - the sun did not break through to the earth. Having created misfortunes, evil spirits then use them in their games. Isn't that what we see in Syria? The handwriting is the same - satanic.
    2. 0
      28 November 2016 12: 52
      in general, I am inclined to believe that 7 million dead were not really there ....
      But that’s not the point: burying a large number so as not to be found (almost impossible) was not difficult enough. The experience of the Second World War confirms that 70 years after completion, mass mass graves and individual graves are found. Moreover, often enough this is not in the middle of nowhere - and relatively close to populated areas.
      In addition, you forgot the predators - if the corpse is lying on the street / not buried - then during the week in the summer (month-winter) it will be severely affected by birds / dogs / foxes / ants, etc. Let’s say, the carcass of a ram leaves during this period in a zero-skeleton, and then not all remains.
      Wolves dramatically speed up the process - and they always multiply strongly when fed by ramparts. So, in 1944 (after Stalingrad) there were so many of them in our area (although we are relatively far away) that there were cases of attacks on people during the day in the middle of the village on railway station(that is, in a place where wolves would only go with very severe hunger). My grandfather, a hunter, on a collective farm was accrued workdays for killed wolves, and the chairman procured gunpowder with capsules - and this despite the fact that he had nothing to do with the collective farm and did not work there. So many of them were then ...
    3. 0
      28 November 2016 19: 43
      To spoil Russia-will support. And he’ll ascribe a couple of million dead from above ...
  41. +1
    27 November 2016 21: 30
    In Auschwitz (Auschwitz Birkenau) 600 Red Army prisoners of war were the first to hit the gas bunker. Maybe start an investigation, how many Ukrainians were in this group? Or Tajiks ... Right after all, the prospects open up in the Poroshenko team to get the title of Doctor of Historical Sciences ...
  42. 0
    27 November 2016 21: 32
    Quote: AwaZ
    this provoked a fierce protest, which in the European part of the country was expressed in the destruction of the main draft cattle - Volov and the reduction of crops. Destroying the oxen, the peasants deprived themselves of the opportunity to cultivate the land.

    The exact reason for the famine in Ukraine, the Don and North. Caucasus, which erupted in those years. It was the greed of the peasants and the unwillingness to give up their personal livestock for public needs that caused the mass slaughter of draft animals - mainly oxen. Horses were not used for plowing in these places, and where it was possible to plow the land on them, the horses were preserved, and there was still some kind of harvest, and there was NO HUNGER THERE! In Sholokhov's "Virgin Soil Upturned", this topic is vividly described - there was so much meat from slaughtered cattle in the Cossacks that there was nowhere to put it - offal, which was usually also used for food, was thrown to the dogs that time. But even those, being devoured by her, bypassed. And in the spring of next year there was nothing to plow on, the fields remained unseeded. And what was sown was followed by a drought. This is the combination of all these reasons and was the cause of hunger in SOME regions of the country.
  43. +1
    27 November 2016 21: 34
    The behavior of Ukraine makes me feel similar to the behavior of the Palestinians - it seems that having their own state and land, instead of working, they are looking for outside guilty parties and begging all over the world. At this rate, a Ukrainian will become the same eternal refugee as a Palestinian - he will be able to travel all over the world, where he will be thrown at a European penny, pity in the face and laugh behind his back, and he will proudly shake the rags that were thrown from the master's shoulder again " Euro-democrats "... No matter how fights break out between Ukrainians and Palestinians - who of them suffered the most and deserves big handouts :))) laughing
  44. 0
    28 November 2016 02: 31
    Well, yes, Petenka reads right on the polished face - "a direct descendant of the victim of the Holodomor" ..
  45. 0
    28 November 2016 06: 45
    Probably, such events really took place. If not all of Ukraine (and why not all, if it was genocide ?; not all, because where my ancestors lived, there was no famine because they certainly would not have survived: there were three small children with single mom - the wife of the repressed).
    The question is who caused this famine. If you look at the present, the answer lies on the surface ...
    1. 0
      28 November 2016 06: 52
      I must say that he was repressed for a reason: he kept a revolver since the civil war, fearing, as a school director, attacks by bandits; about which a denunciation was made by one of the "well-wishers" to a respected person (the denunciation, of course, was made by an obvious "guardian" for the happiness of the people
      1. +1
        28 November 2016 06: 55
        It was these "guardians" who concocted what we call "Holodomor". That is, there was a struggle and the sent Cossacks played their role not only at that time, but also prepared the ground for the future.
  46. 0
    28 November 2016 16: 27
    and pedro arranged a feast of the belly in Ukraine

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