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Fight for a beautiful image

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Yes, the Donbass is ours, dear and close, and my heart aches for it, but it is in Syria that the fate of the world is being decided. This is the harsh reality of the Big Game. In addition, if someone does not know, there is a third, an internal front in the North Caucasus, where the aggravation is already a year away and the guys are not getting out of business trips.

And - in fact! - we can not let the wind steadily folding image a country that does not incite (hello to the "partners"!), but resolve conflicts. Svyatoslav Golikov


In fact, Svyatoslav writes much more and in many ways is correct. Can not argue with that. His article is very clever and sensible - you will love it. However, the sun can be found "specks". So, I would like to speak about the “image of the country” in the light of the Ukrainian / Syrian conflicts.

I will begin with a banal one: Ukraine lived (and lived well!) Precisely at the expense of Russia, which before independence was declared, which later (then it became quite obvious). We all know all this and for us it is a complete and vulgar banality. But. However, I wanted to sharpen and concentrate. What did it give us internationally? In terms of international reputation?

The answer is not as banal as it seems. The entire planet considered Ukraine an independent economic unit that Moscow is trying to control. That is, as though Ukraine wants freedom, and Russia in every possible way prevents it. The most annoying is exactly what millions of people in Europe thought. The thing is, in Europe it is not customary to help anyone. Russians are bad and evil (everyone knows that). So, they cannot help Ukraine (which is economically independent) by definition. So they rob her.

That's exactly what the average European thought. And that is why (but not only) Europe supported Maidan-2. Understand that in the head of an average European the simple fact that the Russians have kept Ukraine at their own expense will never be met. In Europe so not accepted. Spain robbed the Incas / Aztecs, Portugal robbed the Indians with their spices and Africa with its gold, blacks and ivory. Holland, England, France ... They robbed. Robbed the colony.

The British not only robbed the whole world, but also turned neighboring Ireland into a cemetery. They cannot do otherwise. And they do not represent another form of relationship with the "third world." Therefore, from their point of view, Ukraine is a colony of Russia (like India has London). And this colony needs to be removed. This point of view was actively promoted by Ukrainians, singing sad / vile songs about their difficult "colonial heritage". The same historical the myth of the "Holodomor" and so on.

That is, yes, the Europeans were going to take control of Ukraine and begin to exploit it mercilessly in their imperial interests. Ukrainians write quite seriously that Ukraine was a colony of Russia. Literally believe in it. Naive. Only today they are confronted with what it means to be a colony. Being a colony means that resources are not being pumped into you (as in the USSR), but they are being pumped out.

So the Ukrainians are great "lohanus". But Europeans "lohanus" no less. They quite seriously thought that Ukraine was completely economically self-sufficient (that is, Earns money). And only now, having taken it under complete control, did they understand how cruelly they were wrong. The economy was there, but Russian.

No, all this is of course banal, and many times stated, but the ficus is that our economic assistance to Ukraine and the Ukrainian people to us no political bonuses not brought. We did not become more respected for this either in the world or in Ukraine. This did not raise the political rating of Russia. In short, sheer longing in exchange for tens of billions of dollars. Obviously, the Germans could not believe that Russia at its own expense creates prosperity in a neighboring state (for them it is absurd - you have to rob, rob and rob, as the great Frederick bequeathed).

Therefore, the results of the seizure of Ukraine became for them a kind of shock: the country is there, and the economy, as such, is not - it is all Russian. It's funny of course, but from the point of view of the average European, what happened in the winter of 2013 / 14 is a generally positive phenomenon. Because Russia and its influence in general is bad. And then people became “free”, and this is certainly positive.

Well, we will not explain to anyone we are the sources of the welfare of Ukraine to Poroshenko. No one will believe in Europe. Never. Russians are evil, and if even a good and honest European has always robbed everyone (if there are technical possibilities), then who will believe us not such? It’s like a medical fact but Ukrainians will never admit this, but in the West they simply won't believe it: it does not happen.

And now their experts are trying to understand why Ukraine “broke down”. What's wrong? Seek, seek, can not understand. But no one will thank us in either Kiev or Brussels. In 1991, Russia could easily take away from Ukraine everything that is unscrewed (from Yuzhmash to Kharkov); set the "European" price tag on gas and close its market from goods and "Gaster". And that would be quite European. But Russia did not. And what did we get in return? No, not even from Ukraine or the CIS, but globally?

Here we are often promoted by some incomprehensible actions as an investment in the future. Well, maybe not money, but have we improved our image with our “Ukrainian charity”? In the CIS, in Europe? Something imperceptibly. Nobody appreciated our kindness. Here we were in 1991-m such good and correct and gave everything up to the bases of the Black Sea Fleet. And what did it give us?

Moreover, Russia in 90 actively approached Europe and made many political concessions for that. What do we generally do in PACE and other structures? All this was served so that, say, now we will be “our own”. However, first, NATO rapidly went to the East, and then, at the moment of that very “Ukrainian crisis - 2014”, it turned out that all these European structures are working clearly against Russia. Only in this way and nothing else.

And this is all - starting with the abolition of the death penalty (moratorium) and ending with membership in the European Court of Human Rights. What did it give us at the moment of crisis? As they say: first you work on the image, then the image works for you. And what, excuse me, is the result? What have we been given all these years of intensive diplomatic work with Europe? For thirty years, they explained to us: it is necessary, it is necessary, it is necessary. This is a job for the future.

And so, it means that this very “prospect” has arrived. But for some reason we did not see the results of our work. It seems that someone has been deceiving someone all these years. Europe in 2014 made a tough, united front against Russia. Without doubt and hesitation. Once again: what was the point of working in European structures and where are the actual results of “systematic work on our image”?

After all, in 2014 there was no discussion between European capitals and Moscow. Not at all. They had some kind of “their own” small parties, their own consultations, and then Russia issued ultimatums. But what about our magical "image", on which we worked for so long, without losing our forelimbs? Where is the return?

Our parliamentarians and other politicians have been in regular contact with their European colleagues over the years, and this has been the mainstream in Russia (working with Europe). Obviously, it was assumed that at the moment of the crisis we will sit down and calmly discuss everything using the very same developments. In practice, everything instantly slipped to saber weapons, spitting in the direction of Russia, threatening grunts and imposing sanctions. But then, why do we need all these negotiations and membership in all these organizations?

He recalls the story of Hasek, where one “broadsheet general of all hands” entered the monastery, accepted his dignity and sold something imperceptibly there from the property. So, when he was tried, the maestro realized: “But after all, I could sell monastic property to the left without being blessed with holy grace ...”

Why were all these gestures needed during the last quarter of a century? Where is he, "beautiful image"? No, of course, it develops and develops steadily, but something is already very long. During this time, coral reefs have time to blow up, and we are still waiting.

All this, of course, does not mean that we should immediately break all contacts with Europe and leave all European organizations. It would be frankly stupid, like any sudden movements in the political arena. You just need to cynically "overestimate" all these contacts. And for any "interesting" proposal of European partners to ask: "And what we from this we will have (right here and right now)? ”And to bargain up a sweat for every euro cent.

After all, even the fact that at the time of the conflict hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian refugees rushed to Russia (and not to Europe) did not bring us any political bonuses. From a general point of view, there is a bad Russia that has attacked Ukraine. And so they think not only in Europe. I understand - these are simple people, and they should not suffer. The paradox is that Russia helped them (from its budget - more than 18 billion rubles!), And officially in the world media they were considered victims of Russian aggression.

Well, it was necessary to organize at least some kind of “committee of Ukrainians in exile” (without the former party nomenklatura, of course), but it is somehow strange - why Russia saves the “victims of Russian aggression”? And Europe does not spend a penny, but loudly outraged?

They write that in the Crimea, there, it means that no one bans the Ukrainian language, and there are hotels with the name Ukraine, and ... yes, a lot of things. Up to the bandurist circles. All this is fine, but from a political point of view and from the point of view of the average European, the Crimea is annexed and occupied. And the sanctions will be lifted only after his return. In Ukraine, Russia is the enemy №1.

Well, to whom do we stand out with our “tolerance”? Who needs all this? Why does our “tolerance” and tolerance give no return? I understand - cynically (as in the bazaar), and yet? The position of European politicians is standard: Russia must return the Crimea to Ukraine and, of course, “fulfill the Minsk agreements” in “one face”. Such is the “European consensus”. And only then ... the question will be considered.

Someone hoped that "tomorrow" will remove the sanctions? Tomorrow they will not be removed, do not expect. Then why do we need to show at least some loyalty and tolerance for Ukraine, its magic language and extraordinary culture? Why bend under the "European values". What does this give us specifically? Love and appreciation of the masses of Ukrainians / Europeans?

It is not necessary to pretend to be a "beaver knight", it does not pay off and does not work. After the spring, 2014 Russia insistently offered Europe different settlement options. But it seems that it only interests us, but no one else. And from their side it is perceived as a sign of weakness. As the saying goes: "tolerance without reciprocity is not tolerance, but cowardice." It makes sense to make concessions only if the opposite side is also ready for concessions.

Why am I writing these banal things to vulgarity? The fact is that for almost my entire adult life (starting with Gorbachev), I observe beautiful gestures and "the struggle for the right image in the West." For this, a lot has been done, we have constantly made big concessions. You just need to try to analyze large time periods, and not events in the last year or two, as they usually do.

So, the whole policy of the last decades is a search for friendship with the West. And what did this give us in February 2014 of the year? Here is this whole era, starting with Gorbachev and beyond? We were friends, which meant we were friends ... but there was a slight disagreement (and Kiev doesn’t pull much for more), and was immediately beaten all dishes. Without thinking and thinking. With the move. So what have we achieved over the 30 years of "friendship"? And for 30 years of creating a “positive image”?

The funny thing is: they seemed to be about to discuss the sanctions, but then Aleppo’s storming occurred and the question of “imposing sanctions on Syria” arose. That is, those sanctions are still sanctions, crosswise. And they tell us about the Crimea here ... It's about as with Milosevic: well, he signed the Dayton Accords. Then he died in the Hague prison. Or killed. And Yugoslavia destroyed in several stages. And at each stage they signed something ...

That is, as it suddenly turned out, even a complete surrender of positions in Ukraine does not guarantee anything. Well, what are you suggesting to look for "compromises"? And what about the "image"? Practically all the “human rights activists” condemned the assault on Aleppo. And stigmatized Russia. Well, in Ukraine, you can actively include the "fool" and not understand the basic things with a coup and fascists. But with Syria, this number does not roll in any way: there is a completely legitimate government, and there are terrorists who organize terrorist acts, trade slaves and cut heads with the wrong ones.

You can ignore Donetsk and Lugansk in a sassy way: for two years now, Western politicians and journalists have ignored the anti-Kiev-minded population of the LC / DPR. "They are not there." People remove reports, write analytical articles, ignoring the obvious facts: in Kiev, they do not see the Nazis, and in the Donbas local militiamen. And analyze the devils!

There is a bad Russia, which attacked a good Ukraine. And in Damascus, everything is strictly the opposite, it cannot be compared: the Assad regime is illegitimate, Assad must leave. And the presence of the Syrian state, the army, the population that supports the regime is completely ignored. At the same time, no one speaks of the “territorial integrity and sovereignty” of the Syrian Arab Republic. That is, when discussing the situation in Ukraine, this is fundamental: everyone nobly fights for these two wonderful things.

And in Syria, the situation is quite different, and here it is impossible to compare ... That is, in the case of Ukraine, there are some norms of “international law”, and in the case of Syria, they are completely different. Magically, Russia is wrong both here and there, it is she who violates those very norms. That's when we deal with people with such flexible morals, then what kind of our image can we talk about?

It makes sense to win an image in the eyes of decent people with certain life principles. And here: all the crimes are committed by the terrible ISIS, which the international coalition is fighting ... But any Syrian / Russian retaliatory strikes aviation immediately fall into the "democratic opposition", which we already year cannot mark on the map.

Here you have to choose - politicians / journalists of the West or idiots or rogues. How else? Well, what image do you hope to create in their eyes? Yes, hell with it, with Ukraine, but Islamic terrorism (which is not entirely Islamic!) Really threatens Europe. And now Russia is bombing terrorists, and the Europeans want to judge Russia for war crimes ... Are they idiots or criminals (or is it a syndrome of "non-resistance to Hitler" who was supposed to "eat" Russia)?

Someone will say, but it would be nice to ask a random Frenchman such a question: about ISIS and Hitler ... History repeats itself: France indulged both Hitler, ISIS, and France already became a victim and LIH, and Hitler. The Frenchman will make a surprised face, say that there is no connection and nothing in common. "Sorry, sir, I do not understand what you are saying ... I do not understand you."

As a result, France is fighting against terrorists in Mali, supporting them in Libya, fighting in France again, supporting in Syria. Excuse me, how can the French special services work here? When is the same person both a bloody terrorist and a fighter for freedom (or not at the same time, but consistently)? And how can they cooperate with Russia in this matter? They, the French secret service, have too many skeletons and skeletons in the closet for honest cooperation ...

And other countries that are "not the West"? But for other countries, Russia's ability to defend its national interests and the interests of its allies is important, and not some kind of “virtually nobleness.” And yes, Russia today is not strong enough to "settle" conflicts. Is that win them. Russia worked for a very long time both with Georgia and Ukraine, trying to resolve the situation there, and then the American hawks gave the go-ahead to the force option and the Georgians fled to Tskhinval, and the Ukrainians Donetsk (and allI emphasize all our work went down the drain, and Russia acted as an “aggressor”).

It must be admitted that all our diplomatic efforts both in Ukraine and in Georgia have been dust. It did not happen either there or there to "settle". And with the "image" somehow did not work out. Both the question of Tskhinval and the question of Sevastopol were “closed” by purely forceful actions. If "seriousness", then this very “image” has a place to be, but we still need to grow to the level when it all works (over the past 30 years, a lot has been lost in this plan!). In the meantime, in the eyes of many, Russia is too weak and insignificant to reckon with its interests and pay attention to its “image”.

The failure of Russian foreign policy in Europe is not due to the fact that it was a bad policy, and we did something wrong or behaved unworthily; but by the fact that status of Russia as a powerin the eyes of Europeans at that time did not meet the required minimum for serious consideration of the interests of this power ... And at the crucial moment we were simply “spat” (February, 14). This is about how a petty official (from the common people) could insult an impoverished nobleman (no matter how refined manners and excellent knowledge of French he might have). So the problems of Dubrovsky were not at all in bad education. Then he went on to “violent actions of an extremist nature” ... but this is another story.

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  1. EvgNik
    EvgNik 29 November 2016 05: 59
    +5
    Understand that the simple fact that the Russians, at their own expense, contained Ukraine, will never fit into the head of the average European. In Europe, this is not accepted.

    We just understand that. This is not understood in the West. And they will never understand. Ukrainians themselves do not understand this either (which in the end destroyed the country). And what to do with this country now - no one knows.
    1. Maki Avellevich
      Maki Avellevich 29 November 2016 08: 09
      +1
      Quote: EvgNik

      Understand that the simple fact that the Russians, at their own expense, contained Ukraine, will never fit into the head of the average European. In Europe, this is not accepted.
      We just understand that. This is not understood in the West. And they will never understand. Ukrainians themselves do not understand this either (which in the end destroyed the country). And what to do with this country now - no one knows.


      I was born in in Nikolaev in 1978
      grandfathers one veterinarian another engineer at the factory named after 61 Communard (who knows). grandmothers - engineer designer second agronomist.
      father is an engineer at the "air conditioning" plant (did not produce air conditioners) mother is a shipbuilder engineer.
      the question is was my family on the content? my neighbors, my city is my republic? how does your mouth rise such nonsense to write?

      Whose will you be ?! Who are you anyway?
      1. EvgNik
        EvgNik 29 November 2016 09: 01
        +13
        Quote: Maki Avellievich
        Whose will you be ?! Who are you anyway?

        I will answer this question in private.
        If you have a good, hard-working family, it is an honor and praise (and my respect).
        I have acquaintances in Ukraine and also not idlers. However:
        I haven’t found data about the last years, too much is simply not brought to us.
        And mind you, the Russians have always torn themselves away so that others live better.
        1. activator
          activator 29 November 2016 09: 23
          +1
          Quote: EvgNik
          We just understand that. This is not understood in the West. And they will never understand. Ukrainians themselves do not understand this either (which in the end destroyed the country). And what to do with this country now - no one knows.

          I would like to know how much you and your family spent on my maintenance? otherwise I probably passed by when you were handing out money. And I would like all the same examples, just pliz do not need gas, it was cheap for me, well, only with kravchuk.
          Quote: EvgNik
          I have acquaintances in Ukraine and also not idlers. However:

          All the same, I would like to explain these figures in more detail, otherwise I was a bit crazy when I found out that in the 80s my consumption was 13 tons of dollars. In general, this is the whole trouble, we think that you ate our fat, and you, that we are your gas for free burning.
          1. avt
            avt 29 November 2016 09: 59
            +5
            Quote: activator
            .And in general this is the whole trouble, we believe that you ate our fat, and you, that we burn your gas for free.

            laughing So that's it! The shop is closed, don't fire, well, at least not on the same scale as before madownat. Well, there is a lot of industry on the Ruin, if by officialdom it collapsed by 40% in the first half of the year? And without the Polish bacon imported to the Ruin, we will somehow live, and much better than you there with reverse gas with a surcharge under $ 50 per cubic meter. Download further until you are completely brain-drained, and we need to work on ourselves in parts of import substitution from the Ruins, at least a year is still needed. Then the LDNR has to be built into industrial communications, there are a lot of businesses. in LDNR, they will come in handy and not far, again, through the insurmountable wall and the moat of Yaytsenyukh, it is not necessary to squirm. bully
            1. activator
              activator 29 November 2016 10: 37
              +3
              Quote: avt
              So all-eee! The shop has closed, don’t shoot, well, at least not on the same scale as before Madunata. Well, a lot of industry ruined on Ruin, if by officialdom the first half of the year had collapsed

              It’s even a matter of trying to explain something to you because your whole nature consists of complexes, cliches and stereotypes. But I give seven out of ten that if you had the will of fate, now in Ukraine you would have sat on the censor and would have blamed Putin and cotton they do not give you European integration.
              1. avt
                avt 29 November 2016 10: 50
                +7
                Quote: activator
                But I give seven out of ten

                Yes, take all ten, do not mind.
                Quote: activator
                that if you happen to be fate in Ukraine now

                By the will of fate, I ended up in the USSR AND NEVER denounced him and did not call my fellow citizens a “scoop”.
                Quote: activator
                you would sit on the censor and blaspheme Putin and cotton wool that they do not give you European integration.

                request My sins are grave! That's what, what, but I don't go for your censor, well, not a millimeter - "Horde" I, and 100% "Finno-Ugric" right from the place of birth wassat laughing Well, there’s no great side-screen, well, it’s great-Litvinsky along one line, all the same, Smolensk is not a strange city by kind. laughing And we, well, the Horde people, don't change our shoes so smartly on the fly.
                Quote: activator
                that they do not give you European integration.

                Trusels of their own in lace themselves, rub in the European vibori, shorter forward, behind the Polish fat ..
          2. EvgNik
            EvgNik 29 November 2016 11: 02
            +4
            Quote: activator
            I would like to know how much you and your family spent on my maintenance?

            I don’t know how much. I know one thing: when a friend from Ukraine came to my wife, she looked at us as poverty. High commercials.
            Quote: activator
            In general, this is the whole trouble, we believe that you ate our fat, and you, that we burn your gas for free.

            Fat we (in extreme cases in the Urals) always ate our own. But the gas belongs to non oligarchs, and ask them, we do not always have it ourselves.
            1. activator
              activator 29 November 2016 11: 35
              +2
              Quote: EvgNik
              I don’t know how much. I know one thing: when a friend from Ukraine came to my wife, she looked at us as poverty. High commercials.

              Well, we also didn’t have chocolate everywhere, for example, we had three factories IOMZ, IPZ, ITRZ in the raisins of the Kharkov region, and as I understand it, there was supply, but to take the Lugansk region so when they came for them It was also surprising. As far as I understand, the supply depended on the availability of the working class and the level of these enterprises.
              Quote: EvgNik
              We always ate fat (in extreme cases in the Urals)

              Never even doubted.
              Quote: EvgNik
              But the gas belongs to non oligarchs, and ask them, we do not always have it ourselves.

              Well, we also have our own gas production that covers the needs of the population and its cost is at most 100ye and they are sold to us at 280. I would ask your own.
              1. EvgNik
                EvgNik 29 November 2016 11: 41
                +1
                Quote: activator
                Never even doubted.

                Missed, overlooked. I wanted to write - its, Ukrainian did not have a chance to try.
                1. activator
                  activator 29 November 2016 11: 47
                  0
                  Quote: EvgNik
                  Missed, overlooked. I wanted to write my own,

                  Exactly the fact that you ate YOUR lard I have never doubted hi
              2. EvgNik
                EvgNik 29 November 2016 11: 47
                +2
                Quote: activator
                Quote: EvgNik
                We always ate fat (in extreme cases in the Urals)
                Never even doubted.

                Do not be cunning, if you quote, then quote in full.
                We always ate fat (in extreme cases in the Urals) its.
                1. activator
                  activator 29 November 2016 11: 58
                  +1
                  Quote: EvgNik
                  Do not be cunning, if you quote, then quote in full.

                  Don’t you come up with, didn’t you notice that you didn’t quote completely or didn’t it happen to you that the phrases weren’t completely quoted? especially since I clarified.
          3. twviewer
            twviewer 29 November 2016 11: 16
            +1
            Quote: activator
            I would like to know how much you and your family spent on my maintenance?

            Well, if approximately, taking into account cream skimming, the best choice on both sides is exactly as much as you now lack. When you have social benefits then suddenly canceled?
            1. activator
              activator 29 November 2016 11: 40
              +1
              Quote: twviewer
              Well, if approximately, taking into account cream skimming, the best choice on both sides is exactly as much as you now lack.

              As I understand it, exactly the same amount has now increased? laughing
              1. twviewer
                twviewer 29 November 2016 11: 55
                0
                Quote: activator
                As I understand it, exactly the same amount has now increased? laughing

                understand correctly laughing
                1. twviewer
                  twviewer 29 November 2016 12: 06
                  0
                  PS we are now helping Syria
          4. V.ic
            V.ic 29 November 2016 13: 12
            0
            Quote: activator
            I probably passed by when you were handing out money.

            Ask YOUR oligarchs, but they will probably answer that "You were not standing here!"
          5. KaPToC
            KaPToC 29 November 2016 13: 29
            0
            Quote: activator
            I would like to know how much you and your family spent on my maintenance?

            A third of what she earned.
            1. activator
              activator 29 November 2016 14: 35
              +1
              Quote: KaPToC
              A third of what she earned.

              And did you voluntarily give? Or did tax collectors in yellow-blue trousers come to you and take away a third? and where this third is now do not tell me? there probably interest increased fellow By the way, you can safely raise the question of the genocide of the Russian people and the Holodomor.
              1. KaPToC
                KaPToC 29 November 2016 19: 47
                +1
                Quote: activator
                And did you voluntarily give? Or did tax collectors in yellow-blue trousers come to you and take away a third?

                And what does it matter?
                Quote: activator
                and where this third is now do not tell me?

                In the industrial potential of the republics, it is divorced from Russia and ruined.
          6. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 30 November 2016 05: 45
            +1
            Yes, hell with two, he is ours! Miller he is! One project of gas wiring in a private house costs 100-200 tyrov.
        2. Maki Avellevich
          Maki Avellevich 29 November 2016 18: 53
          0
          Quote: EvgNik
          Quote: Maki Avellievich
          Whose will you be ?! Who are you anyway?
          I will answer this question in private.
          If you have a good, hard-working family, it is an honor and praise (and my respect).
          I have acquaintances in Ukraine and also not idlers. However:

          I haven’t found data about the last years, too much is simply not brought to us.


          you cut out part of the table. I searched and found the "primary source".
          it is the newspaper "Soviet Russia". former mouthpiece of the Communist Party, now the mouthpiece of the Communist Party.
          I went to their site, see where they are bringing firewood from. they have no archive.
          Well, no, damn it. scribbled a gag and all.
          allegedly printed in 1992, they probably tried to accumulate political capital. journalists truth seekers understand

          humbly I ask you not to give more than a little bit unsubstantiated data.

          ps Preobrazhensky advised newspapers not to read before dinner, especially Soviet ones.
          I have the honor
        3. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 30 November 2016 05: 56
          0
          I agree 100%, although the tablet is bad and taken from the yellow press
      2. ghby
        ghby 29 November 2016 09: 11
        +9
        Quote: Maki Avellievich
        I was born in Nikolaev in 1978.
        grandfathers one veterinarian another engineer at the factory named after 61 Communard (who knows). grandmothers - engineer designer second agronomist.
        father is an engineer at the "air conditioning" plant (did not produce air conditioners) mother is a shipbuilder engineer.
        the question is was my family on the content? my neighbors, my city is my republic? how does your mouth rise such nonsense to write?

        Whose will you be ?! Who are you anyway?

        You do not write nonsense, if the article touched you, so to raise the economy as an independent one, arrange yourself as an engineer (or master) at the 61 communard plant.
        The article considers the situation from the moment of gaining independence of the Outskirts and has no relation to the 78th and 80th years, since Ukraine was not a country. What you write that everyone had a job is the merit of the Soviet Union. Therefore, your tantrums are not appropriate.
        Quote: Maki Avellievich
        the question is was my family on the content? my neighbors, my city is my republic? how does your mouth rise such nonsense to write?
        And remind me when and to whom Israel helped financially? And what does he have to do with the Outskirts?
      3. Winnie76
        Winnie76 29 November 2016 09: 15
        +7
        Quote: Maki Avellievich
        the question is was my family on the content? my neighbors, my city is my republic? how does your mouth rise such nonsense to write?

        I mean - starting from 91 years old. Who else needed your 61 Communards or your "condiners" besides the Russian Federation. China? Maybe Europe? Sell ​​your products to the RF and immediately spit on it. How long can such a seller work? And the severance of economic ties in 2014 clearly showed who was in charge of who. Mustache. Ahead of the panties.
        1. Maki Avellevich
          Maki Avellevich 29 November 2016 20: 26
          0
          Quote: Winnie76
          I mean - starting from 91 years old. Who else needed your 61 Communards or your "condiners" besides the Russian Federation. China? Maybe Europe?



          Sorry for a moment. we are talking to 90th. study the table carefully.
          what Gosplan wrote such and production. or in your republic they spat on the Gosplan and the Power of Workers and Peasants and decided what to produce and what not?

          ps anecdote to the topic

          what is it, does not buzz and doesn’t crawl in ..?
          Soviet device for buzzing in ..ope.

          like this, and you tell who needs our capacitors.
          1. Stas157
            Stas157 1 December 2016 09: 57
            +3
            Quote: Maki Avellievich
            Sorry for a moment. it goes up to the 90th. study the table carefully.
            what Gosplan wrote this

            Well, eat your faithful tablet with the right primary sources! Since you think this is not true. Then, how right is that?
      4. alexej123
        alexej123 29 November 2016 14: 09
        +2
        And why the specified factory is practically destroyed, and in Russia they are gradually being reborn? Yes, because the factory in Nikolaev was built by the whole country for the needs of the whole country. He does NOT NEED modern Ukraine, from the word AT ALL. Nonsense you write. Are you in the west, love the bill? Well, calculate how much was built at the plant under the Union and how many now. 1991 Ukraine GIVES ALL CARDS IN HANDS. PR..BALI EVERYTHING. I don’t know if your ancestors are alive, now my grandfather would be unemployed, your mother unemployed.
        1. GOGENATOR
          GOGENATOR 29 November 2016 16: 43
          +1
          I don’t understand why we condemn Ukraine if there is a crisis and a stable decline in industry. It’s better to see how many problems there are in Russia.
          1. alexej123
            alexej123 29 November 2016 20: 38
            +1
            And everything is relative. Break away from the training manual - compare.
        2. Maki Avellevich
          Maki Avellevich 29 November 2016 20: 46
          0
          Quote: alexej123
          And why the specified factory is practically destroyed, and in Russia they are gradually being reborn?


          thirty five again! we are talking about Secular time, and you are all drawn to modernity.
      5. Mwg
        Mwg 29 November 2016 16: 52
        +2
        Maki Avellievich, who built that "air conditioning" plant? And who gave education and the opportunity to realize themselves for grandparents, dad and mom? Is it not the RSFSR with its all-Union programs for the development of industry and employment of the population? We all then received money for our work and supported ourselves at the expense of the money earned. But the opportunity to make money was given by the all-union programs. And this is confirmed by post-Soviet times in the former Soviet republics. All this time, they were eating up the remnants of the USSR industry, and when they finished eating, they rushed to take away the remnants from each other. This is the current reality, alas ...
        1. Maki Avellevich
          Maki Avellevich 29 November 2016 20: 51
          0
          Quote: MVG
          Maki Avellievich, who built that "air conditioning" plant? And who gave education and the opportunity to realize themselves for grandparents, dad and mom?


          Union of the Indestructible Republics of the Free. And who were you thinking? all worked for one idea managed from one center.
          you know, then and now, by the way, besides Moscow, there is still a bit of geography and demography. and then in your opinion it appears that the RSFSR had some sort of colony around itself and tossed them something sometimes.
          1. Mwg
            Mwg 30 November 2016 18: 16
            +1
            Good day. The RSFSR did not have a colony, but a powerful research base (research institute) exploring the possibility of universal employment, the development of production capacities in the Union republics to strengthen all-Union economic ties. Try to ponder each word from my real commentary, try to search on these topics on the net and you will be amazed at how much has been done in the RSFSR to implement plans for universal employment, the development of production capacities in the Union republics to strengthen all-Union economic ties.
            Due to your age, you did not find that time, ask your parents, they should know.
        2. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 30 November 2016 06: 03
          0
          Yes, a vivid example, the best Cuban medicine in the world, whose founders studied in the USSR, probably not in Kiev, and certainly not in Tashkent
    2. RASKAT
      RASKAT 29 November 2016 09: 43
      0
      And what to do with this country now - no one knows.

      We know that the wait will collapse even harder. Both economically and socially. And then we will either buy Ukraine for a penny, or they themselves will crawl to us. No matter how cynical it sounds.
      1. ghby
        ghby 29 November 2016 11: 07
        0
        Quote: RASKAT
        We know that the wait will collapse even harder. Both economically and socially. And then we will either buy Ukraine for a penny, or they themselves will crawl to us. No matter how cynical it sounds.

        This is the secret plan. bully for this, both the DPR and LPR, and the activities of the Banks of the Russian Federation on the territory of the Outskirts and the absence of harsh actions for the population of the Outskirts of the Russian Federation, despite the provocations of the managers of the Square. A tough response to the "government" of the outskirts is painful to hit an ordinary citizen of Ukraine, who still needs to learn to love Russia again.
      2. EvgNik
        EvgNik 29 November 2016 11: 14
        +1
        Quote: RASKAT
        And then we will either buy Ukraine for a penny, or they themselves will crawl to us

        So then it is, but imagine what the restoration of the destroyed will result in? And again, all this will fall on the shoulders of the Russian people. And we ourselves are not having the best of times.
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 30 November 2016 06: 20
          0
          Already! Phrases "Crimea is ours!" and "No money, but you hold on!" - links of one chain. This, and not the sanctions and the oil crisis, is the reason for the decline in the living standards of Russians.
    3. KaPToC
      KaPToC 29 November 2016 13: 24
      0
      Quote: EvgNik
      We just understand that.

      For some reason, does the author think that we need Western recognition? But this is not so. We are on the drum what they think there, the entire article of the author is built on what we do not care.
      1. Olezhek
        29 November 2016 19: 32
        +2
        For some reason, does the author think that we need Western recognition?


        No thinks am
  2. 210ox
    210ox 29 November 2016 05: 59
    +4
    Of course, we are all so white and fluffy .. This is our leadership ... Image before no one and nothing to spoil! Only ... but what is inside the country, how is the people there? And what is the people, not the first time, they will live ..
  3. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 29 November 2016 06: 04
    +2
    Nonsense. Is a PR company the main thing? It’s just that the whole West was against us under strong USA, but as the USA weakened and promised to build everyone, here Europe was bustling. And here Donbass and Syria. INTERESTS AND PROBLEMS Europe cannot manage without us.
    1. Outlaw
      Outlaw 29 November 2016 07: 05
      +2
      Where do such tales come from in your head? In the world, nothing has changed; only the propaganda of your TVs.
      1. V.ic
        V.ic 29 November 2016 13: 25
        +1
        Quote: Outlaw
        Only Propaganda of your TVs.

        Televisions have inanimate objects. Do you accept this truth?
      2. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 29 November 2016 17: 01
        +1
        Quote: Outlaw
        Where do such tales come from in your head? In the world, nothing has changed; only the propaganda of your TVs.

        And I have a counter question, where did you get on the site?
        Ancient, wise civilizations were very sensitive to fairy tales, for example: A fairy tale is a lie, but there is a hint in it, good fellows - a lesson. "Oh, excuse me, I did not notice the flag - the civilization of hodogs, do not be distracted.
        PS 1. I’m sorry, you were mistaken. The propaganda of our TVs does not concern me, I do not have a TV.
        2. I will please you. In Russia they live like that .... not even everyone has a TV.
        3. Hit the wall there, in the State Department, they say that you need to drop TVs into Russia, otherwise Amer’s propaganda will not reach. So there are 100 of us (well, yes, there are fewer families, but to the kitchen, to the toilet?) X $ 000 (not, well, the screen, the digital camera, there is PAL, SECAM .... I don’t remember anymore) = 000 lard $ and all your problems resolved. Miser pays twice. Where is it from?
      3. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 29 November 2016 17: 08
        +1
        Quote: Outlaw
        Where do such tales come from in your head? In the world, nothing has changed; only the propaganda of your TVs.

        Yes. Change your flag so that at least something changes in the world. By the way, how's it going with Calexit? Already Separated California? No? Waiting, waiting impatiently. I'd like to congratulate both California on democratic freedom and the USA finally embarking on the democratic path of development. Nothing changes in the world, but amers need diapers.
      4. Mwg
        Mwg 1 December 2016 19: 59
        0
        For Outlaw. Everyone says: propaganda, propaganda ... And what is it you know, in the sense of the meaning of this word? If yes, what exactly is propaganda, because propaganda cannot exist by itself?
  4. Wolka
    Wolka 29 November 2016 06: 25
    +4
    what kind of saliva and snot, Makarevich has words in the song, (not literally, of course) "you shouldn't bend under a changeable world, let this world bend under us better ...", Russia has its own ideas of good and evil, its own principles and values ​​in life, one's own faith, so one must live in one's own way, and not look back at other "well-wishers" and "well-wishers" from Europe and because of a puddle, to hell with this European tolerance, and in general, I used to call things my own names, "tse ukraine" has made its "choice", so let him now live along this path, according to the common European principles from the EU, but only now without Russian preferences in economics and politics ...
    1. KaPToC
      KaPToC 29 November 2016 13: 36
      +3
      Quote: Volka
      Makarevich has words in the song, (not literally, of course) "you shouldn't bend under the changing world, let it be better if this world bends under us ..."

      Makarevich himself then bent under a changing world ...
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 30 November 2016 06: 26
        0
        Yeah, back in 79th, before the fest in Tbilisi, after which MV became the only officially engaged rock band in the USSR
  5. cap
    cap 29 November 2016 06: 35
    +5
    And in Syria, the situation is quite different, and here it is impossible to compare ... That is, in the case of Ukraine, there are some norms of “international law”, and in the case of Syria, they are completely different. Magically, Russia is wrong both here and there, it is she who violates those very norms. That's when we deal with people with such flexible morals, then what kind of our image can we talk about?

    The flexible morality towards Russia by the Anglo-Saxons has never changed; you can start the countdown from the time of Ivan the Terrible to 20.11.2016/XNUMX/XNUMX.
    And the image is necessary, and it has several main components
    - a strong army and navy,
    -strong border
    - well-fed and trained people (soldier),
    -Own developed infrastructure and self-sufficient industry (agriculture).
    This will be the image of any country. hi
  6. aszzz888
    aszzz888 29 November 2016 06: 40
    +2
    They seriously believed that Ukraine was completely economically self-sufficient (that is, it makes money).


    Sick in body and soul, the non-state of Ukrokakliya, in principle, cannot earn money !!! These constant freeloaders think a lot about themselves, but they cannot and do not want to do it. Well, let them take it in peace! This is their national dance, on a rake and, on a campaign, they like it. Why bother? As the GDP said, I will lend a hand to the drowning man who wants it. And that makes a lot of sense.
  7. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 29 November 2016 06: 43
    +3
    Oleg hi -so ukroina and now lives at our expense, they did not repay debts, our banks work there.
  8. BLOND
    BLOND 29 November 2016 06: 51
    +1
    Forcibly cute will not be

    no matter how we want enemies for Europe, it always has been and will be along the way
    (well, it's time to call tolerance by your own word "tolerance towards the hostile")
  9. trantor
    trantor 29 November 2016 07: 24
    +4
    I always enjoy reading articles by this author, but for this
    Why am I writing these banal things to vulgarity? The fact is that for almost my entire adult life (starting with Gorbachev), I observe beautiful gestures and "the struggle for the right image in the West." For this, a lot has been done, we have constantly made big concessions. You just need to try to analyze large time periods, and not events in the last year or two, as they usually do.

    special thanks to.
    The last 25-30 years it really infuriates me.
  10. Volzhanin
    Volzhanin 29 November 2016 07: 30
    +6
    The author once again reminded that the authorities in our country are short-sighted, corrupt and stupid terpils, dishonoring their country and their people. The chicks of the Ebnovsky nest, and now, to a large extent, are in charge of politics and economics.
    And the fact that the schoolboy understands ONLY the language of kicks and zubotychin is understood even by schoolchildren, only our authorities mow under holy fools and give out what they wish for reality.
    1. kit_bellew
      kit_bellew 29 November 2016 08: 25
      +5
      Quote: Volzhanin
      The author once again reminded that the authorities in our country are short-sighted, corrupt and stupid terpils, dishonoring their country and their people. The chicks of the Ebnovsky nest, and now, to a large extent, are in charge of politics and economics.

      The trouble is that it cannot be changed on the fly. When the Union was being destroyed, the state administration apparatus (the Central Committee of the CPSU, the Central Committee of the Komsomol, ministries, departments) was already largely consisted of traitors. They traveled to Europe and the United States to "train", and read "lectures" for fabulous heaps of money - a legal way to finance the coup. Now these figures, located in key positions of government, conduct destructive activities not because they are pinned, and not even because millions and billions are deposited on their personal accounts. Who, in fact, said that they will receive these millions and billions? At the right time, the West will take them away and not scratch them. They do this because the West holds them tightly to their tender places. Rypnesh - will be torn off. That is why their families and their families live there, and the children learn. They are hostages.
      Of course, I do not justify anyone. Forgiveness this, so to speak, gentlemen can not be. But the reality is that replacing them with someone? Here they shot Ulyukaev. It's good? Anyway, not bad. And then what? Who in his place? The old managerial cadres, who worked honestly in the USSR, are at best retired old men. And the new ones are students of the Higher School of Economics. What is HSE, I hope, no need to explain.
      And the main meanness is that it’s not enough to remove Ulyukaev alone. It is necessary to shoot absolutely all the people who contributed to his promotion, as well as those whom he promoted. And, of course, replace with someone. And where to get on the move several hundred sensible people who are also guaranteed not to be pests?
      Cadres decide everything, Stalin said. And he was absolutely right. And now we have personnel in the economic sphere, to put it mildly, at the seams. There are, of course, Glazyev, but this, damn it, is not enough for the whole country.
      1. uskrabut
        uskrabut 29 November 2016 10: 12
        +2
        Quote: kit_bellew
        And now we have personnel in the economic sphere, to put it mildly, at the seams. There are, of course, Glazyev, but this, damn it, is not enough for the whole country.

        And who was looking for these frames? Full frames! Skilled, decent, hardworking! Only the Ulyukaevs occupied all the organs of power and are not allowed to move decent people to leading positions, they need their own there, the same cattle as themselves, then they have everything in chocolate. And the decent will have to constantly look back and make excuses. Therefore, ALL the government must be dismissed, and all ministries must be re-formed, carefully filtering personnel, when work in the government and ministries is recognized as a negative moment when hiring and you should really try to wash yourself so that you are hired.
        The time for such decisions came yesterday, if not the day before yesterday, and every day of the delay in death is similar.
        1. kit_bellew
          kit_bellew 12 December 2016 09: 15
          0
          Quote: uskrabut
          Therefore, ALL the government must be dismissed, and all ministries must be re-formed, carefully filtering personnel, when work in the government and ministries is recognized as a negative moment when hiring and you should really try to wash yourself so that you are hired.
          The time for such decisions came yesterday, if not the day before yesterday, and every day of the delay in death is similar.

          As for the whole government, I absolutely agree with you. But this is actually not enough.
          Here you come home and flip the switch. The light comes on.
          In order for the lamp to light up, and, moreover, in order to light up exactly the lamp that you need, the electrical wiring must be in order. But our picture is this: not a single light bulb is on. Why? Because pests do not click the necessary switches. But even if the pests are replaced with sane people, the bulbs will not light up anyway, because you also need to change the wiring. And the posting in our case is ALL employees of ALL ministries and departments, not only at the federal level, but also at the level of oblasts, territories, districts, cities and towns. In general, all these people are a filthy broom from management structures.
          Will you get so many qualified, decent and working at least a month? What month - year? Honor and praise. Where are the old ones? Siberian rivers turn south? Hardly want. One hundred years ago they didn’t want that a civil war had begun. But Russia now does not need a civil war. And now it’s useless. Such a war should start, and intervention, like a hundred years ago, cannot be avoided. Only as easy as a hundred years ago, we will not get off.
      2. twviewer
        twviewer 29 November 2016 12: 36
        +1
        Quote: kit_bellew
        Of course, I do not justify anyone.

        this is what you are doing, if the pipe is flowing and cannot be replaced with a new one, this is not a reason to leave everything as it is.
        And, as you know, we have no irreplaceable ones.
        1. kit_bellew
          kit_bellew 12 December 2016 09: 35
          +1
          Quote: twviewer
          this is what you are doing, if the pipe is flowing and cannot be replaced with a new one, this is not a reason to leave everything as it is.

          Ek, everything is simple with you. If everyone could, like a leaked pipe, throw into the trash at least a neighbor from above, regularly allowing leaks - they would have done so a long time ago. But no! The neighbor is not a pipe, he has to sue and have to dress.
          I already wrote in some topic that people tend to make a standard mistake. They think that the president is something like a gamer at the computer, a champion in junior warcraft, and ministers and governors are painted units. Where the president pokes with the mouse, they ran there. Only life, alas, is not warcraft. What do you say when the damn peon will drag the felled forest not to you, but to Finland? Correctly. You will say: you need to clean the computer from viruses and reinstall the game. And the president, even if he wants to, will not deliver the game again - they will not give it. And he does not have a quality antivirus. He, of course, has Kuzhugetych, but he alone is not enough. How long does it take to neutralize the legacy of all Serdyukov? I dont know. And this is only one small side of the big problem. Damned bourgeois forty six years they strained their damned bourgeois brains to scoop up the USSR with giblets, so that the mosquito wouldn’t undermine the nose, and then everything didn’t work out right away: in the ninety-third tanks the Supreme Soviet of the RSFSR had to be shot. And you - replace the pipe.
    2. V.ic
      V.ic 29 November 2016 13: 27
      +1
      Quote: Volzhanin
      only our rulers mow under the holy fools and wishful thinking is given for reality.

      Bravo! good
  11. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 29 November 2016 07: 43
    +1
    They are idiots or criminals

    They are both, but so far "do not know", or rather do not want to know about it. And when they find out it will be too late for Europe itself.
  12. Alex66
    Alex66 29 November 2016 08: 56
    +4
    All our efforts are aimed at recognizing our new oligarchs who robbed the people of the USSR in the 90s. Western oligarchs naturally do not consider them equal, we lost the Cold War, so the country belongs to them and they have the right to milk it. An agreement with the West will not work, the rules by which they need to agree they write for themselves. Judging by domestic politics, the people do not care about the Russian oligarchs, they are needed only to ensure their safety, like cannon fodder in a war and as a draft force to work in their enterprises. No education, medicine, or pensions are needed; all this is degrading; what kind of capitalist will agree to pay you a pension?
  13. uskrabut
    uskrabut 29 November 2016 10: 03
    +3
    A thousand and one times Don Carleone is right bully With a kind word and a gun you can achieve more than just a kind word.
    In vain, Yeltsin withdrew troops from Germany, that's when we lost our image! You don’t have to do what you don’t have to do or for which they won’t pay you well.
    1. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 30 November 2016 06: 33
      0
      This is not Don Carleone, this is Al Capone. Don Corleone is: "Sunny, one lawyer with a portfolio can do much more than ten thugs with Tommigans."
  14. Dekabrist
    Dekabrist 29 November 2016 11: 37
    +1
    Another sofa strategist breadwinner was noted on the site by an article.
    1. Dekabrist
      Dekabrist 29 November 2016 12: 02
      +3
      The people have already lost their ability to think, read and see clearly. It turns out that we lived badly. They fed Ukraine, Georgia and further from the 14 of the former Soviet republics on the list. And also there are all sorts of Mongolia. And the Great Black is an eternally hungry fraternity.
      Moreover, conversations on this topic were born during the Soviet Union and not only in Russia. In the corners they complained that "everything is going to Moscow".
      In 1991 the USSR was gone. Nobody feeds anyone. What, bloomed? What is the country from the former USSR who raised the economy and standard of living compared to the USSR?
      As one well-known president used to say: "There is little money, but you need to love people a lot."
      1. Olezhek
        29 November 2016 13: 34
        0
        It is like a medical fact, but Ukrainians will never recognize this, and in the West they simply will not believe it: it does not happen.


        As the author had foreseen, Ukrainians did NOT recognize THIS ...
        although the article is not about that ... request
      2. V.ic
        V.ic 29 November 2016 13: 34
        +3
        Quote: Dekabrist
        Ukraine, Georgia and further from the 14 former Union republics were fed according to the list.

        Ukraine and Georgia were correctly counted as a "double" score! They ate and drank in two throats and now are the first to rush to Europe with their backs forward.
  15. Semenov
    Semenov 29 November 2016 11: 51
    +1
    A sincere article, it is clear that it hurt. "If you want to change the world - start with yourself" (c). Let us be strong - and Ukraine will become like an evil Mexico, and we will become the saviors of Europe, and interests in Africa are sacred for the Russians, don’t forget! Well, as for the fact that inflation for 25 years - 52% per year and GDP growth of 1% per year - they wrote here, they went in the wrong direction and everyone knows where they came. But gradually (imperceptibly, however, completely) we are getting better, and Ukraine is sobering.
  16. Kenneth
    Kenneth 29 November 2016 13: 47
    +1
    Fine. Great. Great article.
    1. Olezhek
      29 November 2016 19: 44
      0
      Thank. We are trying.
  17. Dekabrist
    Dekabrist 29 November 2016 14: 11
    +3
    Sebastian Brant (Brant, Sebastian) (1457-1521), German scientist, humanist, poet. Born at 1457 in Strasbourg. He studied in Basel, in the same place in 1484 received the right to teach, in 1489 - the degree of Doctor of Law. In 1501 he became a syndicate in Strasbourg, in 1503 - the municipal chancellor of this city. Brant Died in Strasbourg 10 May 1521.

    Brant composed Latin verses (Varia carmina; Lat. - various verses; 1498) and compiled codes of laws, but he became most famous for his poem in German The Ship of Fools.
    Who sent you on a dry trail

    And he went an expensive firebox,

    Not endowed with a brain, but with a cork.

    who blasphemes

    The way that fate promises him.

    Hand to the post is nailed -

    She points the way

    But she herself on that path

    Do not go a step forever.

    To the bitch hit the pupil

    Let him get the knot out earlier

    And then he tells a friend:

    "Sorrel, they say, in your eye."

    Where the teacher is so miserable

    Alien vices accuser

    Who, infected by themselves,

    He does not see them in himself! Oh shame!

    Truly, as they say:

    “The doctor should be healed first!”

    I don’t mind giving advice

    Not knowing how to help myself.
    1. Olezhek
      29 November 2016 19: 37
      0
      The article is NOT about Ukraine in general.

      Previously, the author wrote about Ukraine, BUT not here.

      https://topwar.ru/104039-mificheskie-ukraincy.htm
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      https://topwar.ru/103319-fashisty-i-gosudarstvo.h
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      https://topwar.ru/100223-vybor-svobody-v-usloviya
      h-otsutstviya-svobody-vybora.html
      https://topwar.ru/99730-bolnoy-u-vas-ukraina.html
      https://topwar.ru/98466-chisto-amerikanskiy-vzgly
      ad.html
      https://topwar.ru/98169-hmuroe-utro-na-prospekte-
      bandery.html

      This article about the problems of Russian foreign policy.
      1. Dekabrist
        Dekabrist 29 November 2016 22: 20
        0
        Did someone mind?
  18. Glory1974
    Glory1974 29 November 2016 15: 31
    +1
    You don't need to support anyone at your own expense. No one will appreciate this. All republics were supported at the expense of Russia, and what's the use? As the government weakened, everyone imagined themselves to be the "breadwinners" of Russia and let's separate. And it is necessary to build such a life in Russia itself so that anyone who came and saw would be envious. And then in Soviet times, they came from the Asian republics to Russia and were amazed at the poverty, but it should be the other way around.
    1. Olezhek
      29 November 2016 19: 27
      0
      You don't need to support anyone at your own expense. No one will appreciate this. All republics were supported at the expense of Russia, and what's the use? As the government weakened, everyone imagined themselves to be the "breadwinners" of Russia and let's separate. And you need to build such a life in Russia itself so that anyone who came and saw would be envious


      I have long met this idea, Westerners rob colonies, and then blacks come to them and marvel at prosperity ...
  19. GOGENATOR
    GOGENATOR 29 November 2016 16: 50
    0
    There is such a cult in Russia that they fed everyone. First deal with your power, and then only condemn foreign countries.
    1. Olezhek
      29 November 2016 19: 29
      0
      Well, I didn’t seem to condemn Kazakhstan yet? wink
      1. alexej123
        alexej123 29 November 2016 20: 44
        0
        It is the instinct of the flawed - "Humiliated and insulted." All this riffraff thinks that Russia owes them the grave of their lives now. ignore this excrement.
  20. Mwg
    Mwg 29 November 2016 17: 06
    +1
    Russia will ALWAYS be like a bone in the throat to the West. They do not understand how the mentality of the Russians is structured, because there the thinking is purely Freudian, and in Russia it is mainly figurative and sometimes transcendental. And the incomprehensible is always scary ...
    Russia has its own way, Russia can and should become a legislator of the rules of conduct in the world, and this has been a long way to go: Nicholas 2 and his initiatives to create the League of Nations; I.V. Stalin and his initiatives to create the UN. It is only necessary to find ways to hold the initiative and not give the thieves the opportunity to seize it.
    And it's time to think about bringing the basic law and other laws in line with the mentality of citizens of the country
  21. pimen
    pimen 29 November 2016 20: 02
    +2
    but in general, of course, it is true. We do not have enough "imperial" contempt for "opponents", even at the official level
    1. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 30 November 2016 06: 45
      +2
      This requires personal will and self-esteem. Remember, Primakov deployed a plane over the Atlantic in the 99th? For not figs with ghouls agree, in a word the falling bomb cannot be stopped. And imagine the Bear in this situation ... Funny? Me too, and sad.
  22. alexej123
    alexej123 30 November 2016 08: 59
    +2
    Quote: Maki Avellevich
    Quote: EvgNik

    Understand that the simple fact that the Russians, at their own expense, contained Ukraine, will never fit into the head of the average European. In Europe, this is not accepted.
    We just understand that. This is not understood in the West. And they will never understand. Ukrainians themselves do not understand this either (which in the end destroyed the country). And what to do with this country now - no one knows.


    I was born in in Nikolaev in 1978
    grandfathers one veterinarian another engineer at the factory named after 61 Communard (who knows). grandmothers - engineer designer second agronomist.
    father is an engineer at the "air conditioning" plant (did not produce air conditioners) mother is a shipbuilder engineer.
    the question is was my family on the content? my neighbors, my city is my republic? how does your mouth rise such nonsense to write?

    Whose will you be ?! Who are you anyway?

    I wrote to you during the Soviet era. And in the article it is written, for the especially gifted I bring the meaning - the National Economic Complex of Ukraine was created for the needs of the USSR. And it could survive and develop after 1991 only with cooperation with the CIS countries, primarily with Russia. Which is exactly what happened. You live in Israel - name your Ukrainian products with high added value? You do not have such, from the word AT ALL. In Russia, so far. There is a gas boiler "Zhitomir" near the house. There were orders from Russia, moreover, to the detriment of their own producers, reduced customs duties, energy resources at reduced prices. In total, take tens of billions of dollars. This is what "fed" the economy of the square. And now it won't. You should not be indignant if the topic is "swimming". And for the plant you indicated - the other day on VO there was an article about a cruiser with the symbolic name "Ukraine". Here is the indicator of both the country and the plant, ANYONE NEEDS AN X REN.